Well, I checked the city paper today. Nothing in chinatown (besides L.), nothing in brookland. So again, if anyone knows of anything, I'd be very appreciative if you contact me.
Thanks, ex.
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Well, I checked the city paper today. Nothing in chinatown (besides L.), nothing in brookland. So again, if anyone knows of anything, I'd be very appreciative if you contact me.
Thanks, ex.
[QUOTE=Freedomfighter]Started to go to Evergreen in Annandale, but the big head decided to assist the little head and compared R&T ($80 plus $40 tip) vs. Something More ($60 plus $100 tip). Both the big head and little head agreed that more value was provided by the Green Door in DC for only $20 more. Battled through the Marine Corps marathon induced heavy traffic and found my there. A little creepy walking past workers in the alley, but what the hell, they don't know me so why should I care? I carried myself as if I had just as much right to that space as they did, maybe more since I am a USA Citizen. Slight delay in mamasan answering but I made my way in. I saw Sahi, fortyish, but nice body very firm C cups, nice ass. I had just showered so I did not want to wait for TS, that was fine with Sahi. Massage was very inferior, she acted very lazy in her spirit. But when we got the Something More, she sprung in action and left both heads happy. Don't see her if you truly want a good massage, but otherwise it was OK.
Has anyone tried parking in the alley instead of the street? Elimiantes the creepy walk through the alley, but on the other hand it flaunts why you are there and exposes more identity.[/QUOTE]Parking in the alley might work but it leaves me trapped in case we happen to have some unplanned visitors. I like the street, gives me a chance to get a look see for the neighborhood prior to entry. I still like the block walk to view any events, persons, vehicles, etc that need to be taken into account. Not to be chicken but I like to vibe the block and decide whether to visit the spa or roll out.
The economy has prompted police to pull over ANYONE they can get a buck or two out of. I'd rather not be one of those people.
Just my $0.02
Be safe out there. Been out of town for work, will report soon, no worries.
Cabbie!
Took a double journey to Jasmine and 2nd floor M today. This stuff about a raid is hogwash according to mama. The Deer Park water guys were there in uniform. haha. Its a democratic time in DC, live long and prosper fellas.
Hi Friends,
Saw Angie today. Fun as usual. But more interesting is the news:
1. She is going on vacation (NJ) next Friday for 3 weeks. Will return about Thanksgiving.
2. Ruby and Coco are coming back next week.
3. All girls there are friends and do not have problems with our varying tastes.
Have fun and be safe,
Rx
[QUOTE=Freedomfighter]You get what you pay for. Yes. It's cheap, and 80% of the time nothing goes wrong. But sometimes one of those buses breaks down and you are stuck with a Chinese-only speaking bus driver who can't tell you what the fuck is going on. If the bus stops in a city before your destination, make sure you get out and watch the bags being loaded and unloaded, because they steal bags. Once in a while a crazy-ass ****** will be a passenger and harass everybody and can make the driver stop the bus. The Chinese people on the bus are quiet, but some may stink. Make sure you get there early and be first in line so that you can sit as close up front as possible. You do NOT want to be Rosa Parks in the back of the bus where the bathroom stinks and people are getting up to go during the whole trip. Also nobody will hassle you upfront.[/QUOTE]With apologies to Jackson for going off topic: you don't need to take the Chinatown bus to get to New York on the cheap. There are lots of reputable bus companies offering service between these cities for around $20, some with even wifi service, 110V outlets and leather seats. You can make reservations at busjunction.com. Check out this article:
[url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124528126290225307.html[/url]
You could even go sample the goods in the Big Apple at these kinds of prices. Hey, maybe this post wasn't off-topic after all!
fishing to see if a BBBJ from Lisa would be worth while. After all the comment was that Lisa has given BBBJ to about half the people on this board and I want to know if I should join the flock.
SO, now, can you answer my question? Is she worth the trip fr me to become one of the other half. How old is Lisa? Is she shapely or just too much shape? Any other information? If these were answered a few pages back will you please provide me the posing number for easy access.
Thanks for the productive assistance.
[QUOTE=Alpha D]Bragging or complaining?
As for the quesiton at hand:
I believe the original poster's original quesiton about what is available in China Town included a caveat of something to the effect of "other than GN." Apparently he already knew about Lisa. But that was a few pages ago.
AD[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Justforme]fishing to see if a BBBJ from Lisa would be worth while. After all the comment was that Lisa has given BBBJ to about half the people on this board and I want to know if I should join the flock.
SO, now, can you answer my question? Is she worth the trip fr me to become one of the other half. How old is Lisa? Is she shapely or just too much shape? Any other information? If these were answered a few pages back will you please provide me the posing number for easy access.
Thanks for the productive assistance.[/QUOTE]The place is not worth going out of your way. Lisa is a very nice lady,but her skills are kind of toothy. Add in the crowd in front of the place,and you have to pass through the massage room to get to the bathroom. There are better deals closer to home.
Friday, VIP was open and happy. Today, the telephone did not answer. The building was dark. The cable for the CCTV front door monitor was ripped loose and hangin into the stairwell. Two forlorn children's toys were laying on the floor at the foot of the stairs. I can almost guarantee that LE has caused them big trouble. If anyone knows more, and can suggest any ways to help the nice ladies who worked there, please post here.
They are closed. May be permanent. I think LE was there. Not sure. The signs all point in that direction.
[QUOTE=Freedomfighter]You get what you pay for. Yes. It's cheap, and 80% of the time nothing goes wrong. But sometimes one of those buses breaks down and you are stuck with a Chinese-only speaking bus driver who can't tell you what the fuck is going on. If the bus stops in a city before your destination, make sure you get out and watch the bags being loaded and unloaded, because they steal bags. Once in a while a crazy-ass ****** will be a passenger and harass everybody and can make the driver stop the bus. The Chinese people on the bus are quiet, but some may stink. Make sure you get there early and be first in line so that you can sit as close up front as possible. You do NOT want to be Rosa Parks in the back of the bus where the bathroom stinks and people are getting up to go during the whole trip. Also nobody will hassle you upfront.[/QUOTE]In about 50 trips over this summer on Eastern/Todays and New Century, nothing like this has ever happened. Certain times of the day the busses are packed other times I have sat alone the entire trip.
Eastern's busses are newer and the bathrooms are pristine clean. NC busses are older the bathrooms are clean and do not smell.
Eastern offers wifi on the busses FOC. New Century offers more busses more often.
The driver for both always speaks english, and sometimes is not even Chinese.
Never had a bag issue not one time. Bus has never broken down during one of the trips.
Not sure what you have been riding or have where you got your info from it doesn't match my experiences.
Do these buses have table showers?
[QUOTE=Indian Joe]They are closed. May be permanent. I think LE was there. Not sure. The signs all point in that direction.[/QUOTE]Friday night. Everyone was arrested by DC police.
The DC spa scene is dying fast. I am going elsewhere for my entertainment.
[QUOTE=Ginger Man]Friday night. Everyone was arrested by DC police.
The DC spa scene is dying fast. I am going elsewhere for my entertainment.[/QUOTE]They weren't very discreet posting on CL every day, Dupont as well.
[QUOTE=Baltimonger]Do these buses have table showers?[/QUOTE]No, but if you are lucky you may get to sit by a pretty Chinese or Korean AMP girl who is on her way to Flushing for vacation.
Happens to me alot, as I look out for a seat next to a girl sitting alone :)
In most cases if its on a Saturday or Sunday between 3 and 6pm, its a girl goin on vacation.
Have fun.
I went to my usual place. Nothing new to report, but did have interesting conversation. Provider told me that girls work for 14hrs a days for 60 consecutive days then get 30 days vacation. Then repeat the cycle. Cause that would mean that the providers get about 1700 sessions a year (mid range estimate)?
Do you guys think this is true? Or was she pulling my leg?
[QUOTE=Andorran]I went to my usual place. Nothing new to report, but did have interesting conversation. Provider told me that girls work for 14hrs a days for 60 consecutive days then get 30 days vacation. Then repeat the cycle. Cause that would mean that the providers get about 1700 sessions a year (mid range estimate)?
Do you guys think this is true? Or was she pulling my leg?[/QUOTE]
Actually that seems to fit. 10:00 a.m. to midnight is 14 hours, and they seem to be around for a couple months then 'disappear' to either come back or go someplace else.
Its not like they are busy for all fourteen hours, there are high and low times for customers. It seems 11 to 3:00 is pretty busy then 5 to 10 is buys, and it slows down after that, just my thoughts. If its 1700 sessions and lets say for arguments sake, $170,000 a year salary. Not bad, depending on if they pay taxes, which they probably do.
I know I wouldn't do it, licking guys parts and pieces and having them in me, but if you have little or no education, not a bad gig for the money.
Excluding times for the menstral, this appears accurate and don't forget travel time between houses after all most move on every two to four weeks. Then there is time off to lay low after a 5-O bust and potential La Migra raid.
Without TIPS not much of that 60 - 80 get to the girls but I am sure what they do make is tax-free; does anyone really think, if lrgal, they would really give their SS# to an MS?
Bottom line, they work too much but see less of the money than you think. A lot are still paying for their documents and transport to the US. Ask about that in your next conversation.
[QUOTE=Andorran]I went to my usual place. Nothing new to report, but did have interesting conversation. Provider told me that girls work for 14hrs a days for 60 consecutive days then get 30 days vacation. Then repeat the cycle. Cause that would mean that the providers get about 1700 sessions a year (mid range estimate)?
Do you guys think this is true? Or was she pulling my leg?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Drunker Irish]Actually that seems to fit. 10:00 a.m. to midnight is 14 hours, and they seem to be around for a couple months then 'disappear' to either come back or go someplace else.
Its not like they are busy for all fourteen hours, there are high and low times for customers. It seems 11 to 3:00 is pretty busy then 5 to 10 is buys, and it slows down after that, just my thoughts. If its 1700 sessions and lets say for arguments sake, $170,000 a year salary. Not bad, depending on if they pay taxes, which they probably do.
I know I wouldn't do it, licking guys parts and pieces and having them in me, but if you have little or no education, not a bad gig for the money.[/QUOTE]
1700 assumes they see about 7 people a day. They do not, unless it is a very busy spa.
They also do not make 100.00 per customer. Some do not tip, some tip 5, 10, 20... etc.
If they get 30 days off in a row that is rare, most of the spa rotate the girls for 1 week vacation, so if there are 6 girls they get 1 week off every 6 weeks.
Typically they do not get the house money (from the 70, or 80 we pay for the 1hr) for the week after their return from vacation, as pay back for the lost revenue from their absence.
Your numbers are high, in a busy BJ or FS place a girl may make 100k, if she works hard, has alot of regulars who tip good. They need this income for 3-5 years then they return home, and most hope to start some kind of business with what is saved after paying for all the family expenses.
...what they do when not working on me is not my concern since I have absolutely NO CONTROL over that time! I DO have some control overf the time I spend with her and I do all I can to make that time most enjoyable for both of us.
JJ
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]1700 assumes they see about 7 people a day. They do not, unless it is a very busy spa.
They also do not make 100.00 per customer. Some do not tip, some tip 5, 10, 20... etc.
If they get 30 days off in a row that is rare, most of the spa rotate the girls for 1 week vacation, so if there are 6 girls they get 1 week off every 6 weeks.
Typically they do not get the house money (from the 70, or 80 we pay for the 1hr) for the week after their return from vacation, as pay back for the lost revenue from their absence.
Your numbers are high, in a busy BJ or FS place a girl may make 100k, if she works hard, has alot of regulars who tip good. They need this income for 3-5 years then they return home, and most hope to start some kind of business with what is saved after paying for all the family expenses.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]1700 assumes they see about 7 people a day. They do not, unless it is a very busy spa.
They also do not make 100.00 per customer. Some do not tip, some tip 5, 10, 20... etc.
If they get 30 days off in a row that is rare, most of the spa rotate the girls for 1 week vacation, so if there are 6 girls they get 1 week off every 6 weeks.
Typically they do not get the house money (from the 70, or 80 we pay for the 1hr) for the week after their return from vacation, as pay back for the lost revenue from their absence.
Your numbers are high, in a busy BJ or FS place a girl may make 100k, if she works hard, has alot of regulars who tip good. They need this income for 3-5 years then they return home, and most hope to start some kind of business with what is saved after paying for all the family expenses.[/QUOTE]
I would say 5-7 a day in DC. That seems reasonable. If you go during lunch time, there is at least three customers right there, and throw in one in the afternoon, and a few in the evening.
I used $100 as an average throwing out low and high. Who the hell is tipping $5,10, or $20? House fee is 60 and 100 to the girl, maybe less if the customer wants less.
I doubt its just one week, because the girls disappear for what seems to be at least a month or so. I don't know if they are going to another spa during that time or not. The girls that come back, its usually after a month or so away.
And who cares, its just interesting to calculate out, and I'm sure its about $100 to $150k a year.
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I had a dream, Two weeks ago I visited GHS (1333 Green), 11pm, paid 60 house fee, I got Su, she did a less than ok massage (they were busy, Friday night, and not even TS). Whole session was about 30 minutes. I did 60 tip. Su is about 40 y/o. OK lean body and boobs, ok face. She was nice girl. I would repeat.
Righ after about 1am I drove/stopped by ICM. 1829 M 2nd floor to check the merchandise for future days (I was dried myself and no money). I was introduced a very cute tall light browned skinned girl with great boobs wearing kind of bikini. She asked 60 + 100. Since I was dried myself and not all that money I passed. I wished I had not done that, the girls was so hot looking. Her name was Stella Estela or something like that.
[QUOTE=MkeMike]I was introduced a very cute tall light browned skinned girl with great boobs wearing kind of bikini. She asked 60 + 100. Since I was dried myself and not all that money I passed. I wished I had not done that, the girls was so hot looking. Her name was Stella Estela or something like that.[/QUOTE]Is this the same Stella from Gold?
I have been practicing a new technique.
I just did this at moonlight in Baltimore with a fine slender fat butt cutie with d cup quality implants named "Princess" Judy. And have done this with alot of girls. I massaged her shoulders, waist, arms, feet, and inner thigh.
Princess felt the need afterwards to pound my wood with her fat Korean bootie which was oh so round.
Now I don't want to sound like a sap, sometimes we try to be nice and girls simply do not care.
However two things seem to generally loosen the girls. One of which is tips, which is a tricky conversation.
But what I am noticing is all girls like if you give them a massage. They are tired and appreciate it. I did it to one girl at B&B in Balto (which tries to be legit with no FS or BJ). During the massage I relaxed this girl so much that it allowed me to massage between her legs with my wood (this is a place that usually asks you to shower yourself). No FS (just dry) but when she got up she was quaking, and her attitude was very greatful.
Just a thought. The girls probably need a massage more than you. If you are like me your main goal is satisfying the little guy.
Also, I used to massage Nana at green, now I know she was an awesome generous girl but check this out. After TS I gave her massage for about 20min (if you remember her body was awesome). I was ready to get up and get dressed, I was satisfied. She gets up and grabs me in embrace, feels for the wood, kisses my lips, and pulls down zipper and offers very enthusiastic BBBJTC. We had gone over time, Mama was calling from outside for her to finish, but she was on a mission. To be clear I had dressed and was ready to go.
Of course I tip well also, but I have been doing this a long time and can tell you the massage buys you noticeable mileage.
Dammit, Drofnalb!
You HAD to mention NaNa, didn't you. Just as I was getting over her not being around, I went there again a few nights ago to be disappointed by the new young slender, attractive, b cup Kgirl that took her place. This girl is still breaking in the shoe leather. She truly doesn't know which end is up (didn't understand my request for 69 the other night). What is a guy to do?
And then you go and tell about NaNa - with reckless abandon!
Shame, shame, shame!
AD
P.S. - nice story. I know it is true. She was like that with those who treated her well.
[QUOTE=Alpha D]Dammit, Drofnalb!
You HAD to mention NaNa, didn't you. Just as I was getting over her not being around, I went there again a few nights ago to be disappointed by the new young slender, attractive, be cup Kgirl that took her place. This girl is still breaking in the shoe leather. She truly doesn't know which end is up (didn't understand my request for 69 the other night). What is a guy to do?
And then you go and tell about NaNa. With reckless abandon!
Shame, shame, shame!
AD
P. S. Nice story. I know it is true. She was like that with those who treated her well.[/QUOTE]NaNa is back!
[QUOTE=Alpha D]Dammit, Drofnalb!
You HAD to mention NaNa, didn't you. Just as I was getting over her not being around, I went there again a few nights ago to be disappointed by the new young slender, attractive, b cup Kgirl that took her place. This girl is still breaking in the shoe leather. She truly doesn't know which end is up (didn't understand my request for 69 the other night). What is a guy to do?
And then you go and tell about NaNa - with reckless abandon!
Shame, shame, shame!
AD
P.S. - nice story. I know it is true. She was like that with those who treated her well.[/QUOTE]
Don't understand, she is there.... Just came back.
[QUOTE=Drunker Irish]Actually that seems to fit. 10:00 a.m. to midnight is 14 hours, and they seem to be around for a couple months then 'disappear' to either come back or go someplace else.
Its not like they are busy for all fourteen hours, there are high and low times for customers. It seems 11 to 3:00 is pretty busy then 5 to 10 is buys, and it slows down after that, just my thoughts. If its 1700 sessions and lets say for arguments sake, $170,000 a year salary. Not bad, depending on if they pay taxes, which they probably do.
I know I wouldn't do it, licking guys parts and pieces and having them in me, but if you have little or no education, not a bad gig for the money.[/QUOTE]Well, for them to make 170k a year which more than many and for them to have education, daaaaaamn, what a job, sir, what a job.
Does anyone have any stories or advice on what the Massage scene is like in Korea?
I have never been, but this is the origin of most of our providers.
Is it worth a visit?
[QUOTE=Computer Luvvv]Well, for them to make 170k a year which more than many and for them to have education, daaaaaamn, what a job, sir, what a job.[/QUOTE]The house takes 50% of the tip so it be like 85k, So if they had AmericanMP where we ( guys) were providers and women were the clients how many of us would do this? I think I would.
Much of what has been said is true. Based on my friendships with girls in the past there are some other points. Sometimes they do get some of the house fee. I am not sure if this is universal, but it is sometimes the case. Also, the girls pay the cooking mama. There are also expenses for the Korean cab drivers who often place the girls in the spas and transport them to and fro. The typical tip is usually $100, but they can get more. Sometimes they get counterfeit money. It's not a lot, but I have seen it with my own eyes, so it does happen.
The money is good, but it is a very difficult life. The girls often do not trust one another. The hours are long. From those I have known well myself, the girls do not like what they are doing. Little kindnesses mean something. I have typically been treated very well because I treat them as humans. To follow up on another comment, they like getting a massage themselves. Back when I went to these places regularly, I would often massage the girl myself. I enjoyed it and
Your lost in the sauce. You don`t have a clue.
Back when business was good 2006 there were many local spa`s Sun, Supra, Downtown just to name a few that had more than 35 to 40 customers a day. There was anywhere from 4 to 6 women working 18 hour days 20,K a month was the normal. The girls transfer to different locations because of several things the first one is money, can get along with others, does not like the grueling pace. Depending on their situation $20-$40 of the house pay is theirs. Their expense $150 to the cook $150 for groceries and their fee with tip to the taxi driver. He also gets paid for the grocery store run. Many of them have doctors acupuncture's etc.. This differs from place to place some of these women will ride in a taxi from here to Texas. Everyone of them say the same thing they do it for the money it's definitely not something they enjoy. Just sit outside one time and eat a brown bag lunch you will be amazed at the filth that goes inside literally!
[QUOTE=Andorran]The house takes 50% of the tip so it be like 85k, So if they had AmericanMP where we ( guys) were providers and women were the clients how many of us would do this? I think I would.[/QUOTE]
You're in the wrong place, That's not a discussion for this forum.
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[QUOTE=Drofnalb]Does anyone have any stories or advice on what the Massage scene is like in Korea?
I have never been, but this is the origin of most of our providers.
Is it worth a visit?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hotman357]NaNa is back![/QUOTE]
Not the same 'Nana', but definately the same skill set.
[QUOTE=Andorran]The house takes 50% of the tip so it be like 85k, So if they had AmericanMP where we ( guys) were providers and women were the clients how many of us would do this? I think I would.[/QUOTE]I recall many years back(late 90s), this one girl who I saw from time to time over a 6yr period at a AMP said she netted about 20k a month,etc. Thats serious mula. She had a Porche with the wing on the back, a serious crib(I went over once, she needed a ride home,didnt park her Porshe in DC) so back in the day some of these girls made some money for sure.
[QUOTE=A John]Your lost in the sauce. You don`t have a clue.
Back when business was good 2006 there were many local spa`s Sun, Supra, Downtown just to name a few that had more than 35 to 40 customers a day. There was anywhere from 4 to 6 women working 18 hour days 20,K a month was the normal. The girls transfer to different locations because of several things the first one is money, can get along with others, does not like the grueling pace. Depending on their situation $20-$40 of the house pay is theirs. Their expense $150 to the cook $150 for groceries and their fee with tip to the taxi driver. He also gets paid for the grocery store run. Many of them have doctors acupuncture's etc.. This differs from place to place some of these women will ride in a taxi from here to Texas. Everyone of them say the same thing they do it for the money it's definitely not something they enjoy. Just sit outside one time and eat a brown bag lunch you will be amazed at the filth that goes inside literally![/QUOTE][QUOTE=A John]Your lost in the sauce. You don`t have a clue.
Back when business was good 2006 there were many local spa`s Sun, Supra, Downtown just to name a few that had more than 35 to 40 customers a day. There was anywhere from 4 to 6 women working 18 hour days 20,K a month was the normal. The girls transfer to different locations because of several things the first one is money, can get along with others, does not like the grueling pace. Depending on their situation $20-$40 of the house pay is theirs. Their expense $150 to the cook $150 for groceries and their fee with tip to the taxi driver. He also gets paid for the grocery store run. Many of them have doctors acupuncture's etc.. This differs from place to place some of these women will ride in a taxi from here to Texas. Everyone of them say the same thing they do it for the money it's definitely not something they enjoy. Just sit outside one time and eat a brown bag lunch you will be amazed at the filth that goes inside literally![/QUOTE]Actually, the previous poster did have a clue. Some places do take the house fee plus a percentage of the girls tip, if not why risk FS when NoVa finish incurs less risk for the house. Of course, every place has its own rules and it would be arrogant and silly to think that one knows how every AMP is run. I am half Korean and speak the language. I have overheard many a conversation between the girls about tip percentage take for the house. Also, the girls can use house transport.. but will use train,bus, and even planes to get to places. One thing some of you may not know is some of the girls are American born and pretend to have an accents. Many a place will not let in Korean as clients because of this and cause they do not want the girls really talking with clients- believe it or not! But do agree that is very tough work- specially with the rude clients!
[QUOTE=Bigvinny]Actually, the previous poster did have a clue. Some places do take the house fee plus a percentage of the girls tip, if not why risk FS when NoVa finish incurs less risk for the house. Of course, every place has its own rules and it would be arrogant and silly to think that one knows how every AMP is run. I am half Korean and speak the language. I have overheard many a conversation between the girls about tip percentage take for the house. Also, the girls can use house transport.. but will use train,bus, and even planes to get to places. One thing some of you may not know is some of the girls are American born and pretend to have an accents. Many a place will not let in Korean as clients because of this and cause they do not want the girls really talking with clients- believe it or not! But do agree that is very tough work- specially with the rude clients![/QUOTE]
Places in NOVA, DC and MD, do not take any of the tip. The girls get 10-20.00 of the house money, never more, certainly not 20-40. 20 is the high point.
They pay for food, the average tip is not 100.00 some people tip none, 5,10,20 etc. The average tip over the course of a day is about 30-40.00
Someone has a really screwed up idea of spa economics.
Shelf life for these girls is 3-5 years tops if they can take the work that long, most can not.
14-17hr days are normal, girls see about 3-5 people a day at a busy spa, sometimes up to 6-8, but that is rare.
This is 1st hand from several girls working the area.
No where near 170k. If they earned that in a year, in 2 they would be gone.
Almost all of these girls are Chinese Koreans (Koreans born in China) I have never met an american Korean girl working a spa in this area.
Brahmabull, you seem very knowledgable.
AMPs are very mysterious places. As a customer there is alot you never know.
For instance, 3-5 years tops, why is that?
One question I have always wanted to know is how many of these girls are human traffic victims in DC?
I love AMPs, I always like to think I am making it worth their while.
I always hope that the girls have made a choice of profession.
Can you shed any light on this?
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]Places in NOVA, DC and MD, do not take any of the tip. The girls get 10-20.00 of the house money, never more, certainly not 20-40. 20 is the high point.
They pay for food, the average tip is not 100.00 some people tip none, 5,10,20 etc. The average tip over the course of a day is about 30-40.00
Someone has a really screwed up idea of spa economics.
Shelf life for these girls is 3-5 years tops if they can take the work that long, most can not.
14-17hr days are normal, girls see about 3-5 people a day at a busy spa, sometimes up to 6-8, but that is rare.
This is 1st hand from several girls working the area.
No where near 170k. If they earned that in a year, in 2 they would be gone.
Almost all of these girls are Chinese Koreans (Koreans born in China) I have never met an american Korean girl working a spa in this area.[/QUOTE]
Lots of good information, but still some discrepancies. This is the truth, and I feel A John is also someone you can count on to be accurate concerning this type of thing.
1. The girls do make a lot of money. A LOT. But keep in mind that they actually sleep in these AMPs so it's more like a 24/7 job with extended vacations. The TARGET goal for the typical AMP girl and their counterparts in other parts of the country where the AMP is giving way to AAMPs (private residences) is $1000 per day. It's not as easy these days, especially with the stinginess in DC. DC, it breaks down as basically $160. $100 to the girl, $60 to the house. NYC, it breaks down as $200, $100 to the girl and $100 to the house. However, MOST customers in NYC tip extra, which is the opposite of here. In LA, it's $250, $150 to the girl, $100 to the house. Another normal pricing structure is $200, $140 to the girl, $60 to the house. You'll notice that the quality of girls pretty much correlates with the pricing. I've heard of a top girl in NYC making $10,000 per week. I've heard of girls in LA who work out of their own private residences (thus keeping the "house" fee) making $60,000 per month on their own. Furthermore, they usually work out of a two bedroom apartment, so they get their friend to work there and they collect a "house" fee from them. That's pretty much impossible in DC.
2. At the AMP, they tip whoever is in charge of cooking the food and cleaning, and they also have to pay a certain amount for other miscellaneous fees (groceries, supplies).
3. Shelf life is way longer than 3-5 years... In fact, most of the girls in DC alone have been in the business for at least over 10 years. I'd venture some even 20 years, especially considering that many of the girls started off doing this work in Korea in the first place and came to America when they got too old (30). The average age in DC and New York is in the mid to late 30's, with New York obviously keeping the hotter girls. The average age in LA is probably around 30. LA girls tend to be younger and technically have better service (multiple pops, BBBJ, CIM, so on), but I actually find New York girls hotter due to a combination of tanning, hair dye, plastic surgery, and patience. LA girls tend to have the attitude of "I let you cum in my mouth so that's all that counts". Meanwhile, even though NY girls rarely give BBBJ, let alone CIM, they are much more patient and sensual. DC girls.... They're okay. But there's a reason they don't work in New York.
4. Very few of the girls working in AMPs in DC are Chinese Koreans. Sad to say, but Koreans are racist and many have unjustified hatred toward Chinese Koreans. I know of one incident where a gang of Korean working girls beat up a Chinese Korean for claiming to be Korean. Doesn't make much sense, but whatever. Chinese Koreans tend to work in places owned by Chinese people for this very reason, such as AMPs in NYC (where KMP - Korean Massage Parlor - is differentiated).
5. The girls make plenty of money, but many of them have a lot of debt and vices. A lot of them have severe gambling problems, some have drug problems, some are addicted to plastic surgery, some are addicted to luxury goods, many like to go clubbing, most like to go out and drink, and some like to blow their money on host bars (bars where they pay guys to drink with them). Some have debt in the six figures because they bought an AMP and got busted within a short time. And many also send money back to their families in Korea.
6. Sex slavery. Make no mistake, very few of the girls are forced to do this work. They know what they are doing. Though it's less prominent than it was say a decade ago, there are some girls who are smuggled into the US via Mexico and thus incur debt that way, BUT, even they knew beforehand about the debt and how they would be working it off. In terms of working girls that have entered the US, my guesstimate (I don't claim any accuracy) would be that 90% of the girls that came in within the past 2 years are staying via visa (expired or valid). Are there girls forced to work? Probably in other parts of the country, and even then it's a small percentage. There may be a girl or two in DC who were forced into this business a decade or two ago, but I feel confident in estimating that 100% of the DC AMP girls are working through their own choice.
[QUOTE=A John]Your lost in the sauce. You don`t have a clue.
Back when business was good 2006 there were many local spa`s Sun, Supra, Downtown just to name a few that had more than 35 to 40 customers a day. There was anywhere from 4 to 6 women working 18 hour days 20,K a month was the normal. The girls transfer to different locations because of several things the first one is money, can get along with others, does not like the grueling pace. Depending on their situation $20-$40 of the house pay is theirs. Their expense $150 to the cook $150 for groceries and their fee with tip to the taxi driver. He also gets paid for the grocery store run. Many of them have doctors acupuncture's etc.. This differs from place to place some of these women will ride in a taxi from here to Texas. Everyone of them say the same thing they do it for the money it's definitely not something they enjoy. Just sit outside one time and eat a brown bag lunch you will be amazed at the filth that goes inside literally![/QUOTE]
This is a very accurate description of the business. BTW, I did the grocery run with a gal from both New World and then 14K on many occasions. Went to the international grocery store there at Little River and 395. Interesting deomographic there.
Stopped by CVS for bulk purchases of feminine products that would have been enough for all of sorority row for months. One look at what they were getting and I would run and hide in the car.
Some of these informative posts are amazingly accurate. I thought I knew about the business, but not even close. Very interesting information.
Where the hell did you get that facts? I have been to a few AMP's in a number of states and have yet to meet one that was born in China. I have also met several that were US born. I have spent a number of years in Korean and speak a little of the language. I prefer to find a lady who meets my needs and become a regular. As a result, I become to know them very well. Some of them are divorced from americans and have children and have been in the business a long time. I know of one that is in her last 40's and has been doing this for 15-20 years. This is the only way she could afford to put her daughter through school, who recently graduated medical school. I have met the daughter, absolutely gorgeous BTW. My point is, most of these ladies do this for a lot of reasons, but the obvious reason is the $$$$. The amount they make depends on many factors, but the ones that I personally know make a butt load of money, no pun intended. This is just a guess on my part, but I suspect the ladies in DC are mostly black market and are taken advantage of. That is one of the reasons I do not patronize these locations. I would also guess that they probably bring in close to the amounts stated, but do not see most of it.
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]Places in NOVA, DC and MD, do not take any of the tip. The girls get 10-20.00 of the house money, never more, certainly not 20-40. 20 is the high point.
They pay for food, the average tip is not 100.00 some people tip none, 5,10,20 etc. The average tip over the course of a day is about 30-40.00
Someone has a really screwed up idea of spa economics.
Shelf life for these girls is 3-5 years tops if they can take the work that long, most can not.
14-17hr days are normal, girls see about 3-5 people a day at a busy spa, sometimes up to 6-8, but that is rare.
This is 1st hand from several girls working the area.
No where near 170k. If they earned that in a year, in 2 they would be gone.
Almost all of these girls are Chinese Koreans (Koreans born in China) I have never met an american Korean girl working a spa in this area.[/QUOTE]