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Not so, in California.

Not in California, which prohibits the use of paid informants in vice operations and has a specific protocol for street-level and massage parlor prostitution in which suspects must verbally offer sex for money. An officer may not ask for sex or offer to pay.

"You don't have someone go in and actually have sex with a suspected prostitute," said John Lovell, legislative advocate for the California Peace Officers Association. "That would cross the line into entrapment. Prostitution is a crime for both parties in the transaction. That's why I'm frankly puzzled by that kind of procedure. ".

So is defense attorney Maureen Coggins, representing Shiatsu employee Sun Cha Chon. She has asked Judge Robert L. Steinberg to throw out the charges. She said the informant, by engaging in intercourse and other acts, went far beyond what was legally necessary to make a case and further victimized women who are almost certainly involved in prostitution against their will. Steinberg continued the hearing to November.

"In my opinion the probable cause for an arrest is a situation where someone asks for money and they say what specific act they're going to do for the money," Coggins said. "There's no requirement that a sexual act be performed. ".

But Northampton County District Attorney John Morganelli said the completion of sexual acts allows police to bring more substantive charges against suspects -- felony-level prostitution rather than misdemeanor attempt, for example. That can give authorities ammunition to close a spa.

Baggens.

[QUOTE=CreamyBare;2348370]Entrapment laws do very quite a bit from state to state in fact, entrapment laws are generally caselaw, and while there are some notable Supreme Court cases that affect the entire nation there are some differences at the state level.

Stating an amount doesn't affect entrapment. Entrapment is getting an otherwise innocent person to do something that they wouldn't normally do. If you're looking at ads for hookers, and calling them well you're obviously "in the market" - this is how a "Sting" is not entrapment.

So, to avoid "Imperial entanglements" never ever use the word "condom", never talk about specific sexual acts, never use the word sex.

Most importantly, never, ever, continue discussions with someone who's obviously trying to get YOU to make statements. YOU should never make statements.

If the provider is an unknown, then the only thing you should discuss is an amount for a total amount of time, and no discussion of any sexual acts. Once you've actually had sex, then you can discuss various "extras".

Oh, and by the way, police officers are legally allowed to do drugs with you and expose themselves to you. In fact, part of how they got into Heidi Fleiss's network was some undercover LE had sex with some of Heidi's girls, and the girls thereafter trusted them. Now, the girls that had sex with LE were busted but they Weren't the target, Heidi was.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DildoBaggens;2348919]Not so, in California.

Not in California, which prohibits the use of paid informants in vice operations and has a specific protocol for street-level and massage parlor prostitution in which suspects must verbally offer sex for money. An officer may not ask for sex or offer to pay.

"You don't have someone go in and actually have sex with a suspected prostitute," said John Lovell, legislative advocate for the California Peace Officers Association. "That would cross the line into entrapment. Prostitution is a crime for both parties in the transaction. That's why I'm frankly puzzled by that kind of procedure. ".

So is defense attorney Maureen Coggins, representing Shiatsu employee Sun Cha Chon. She has asked Judge Robert L. Steinberg to throw out the charges. She said the informant, by engaging in intercourse and other acts, went far beyond what was legally necessary to make a case and further victimized women who are almost certainly involved in prostitution against their will. Steinberg continued the hearing to November.

"In my opinion the probable cause for an arrest is a situation where someone asks for money and they say what specific act they're going to do for the money," Coggins said. "There's no requirement that a sexual act be performed. ".

But Northampton County District Attorney John Morganelli said the completion of sexual acts allows police to bring more substantive charges against suspects -- felony-level prostitution rather than misdemeanor attempt, for example. That can give authorities ammunition to close a spa.

Baggens.[/QUOTE]But if an LE decoy were to do so, wouldn't they just lie about it and bust you anyway?

[QUOTE=DildoBaggens;2348919]Not so, in California.
.[/QUOTE]You say not California, and then you quote a news article which talks about Northampton County law-enforcement doing exactly that. Do you have a link to the actual news article?

[URL]http://articles.mcall.com/2007-09-23/news/3776616_1_massage-parlor-prostitution-informant[/URL]

[QUOTE=CreamyBare;2351232]You say not California, and then you quote a news article which talks about Northampton County law-enforcement doing exactly that. Do you have a link to the actual news article?[/QUOTE]

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Heard on news a week ago they wanted to cut down on the worlds oldest profession at and around this event (the SB). (guess it has been increasing every year) and look who gets caught in one of the stings. HOF-er and NFL analyst Warren Sapp. LOL. This just after basketball analyst and former NBA player Greg Anthony was arrested two weeks ago for solicitation a prostitute in an Atlantic City Hotel lobby. LOL. Guess no one's immune to it is the moral of the story. Not just senators but two prominent sorts analyst / ex players in less then a month. Wow. Waiting for more details to come out on it. Sure it was a lucrative high end girl he wanted to come to his hotel or maybe he solicited in Lobby I'm thinking. Doubt with his $ it would have been a street girl.

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/02/us/warren-sapp-arrest/index.html[/URL]

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If LE were to arrest a girl I had dated previously, and then began texting the numbers in her cell phone, asking the person if they could meet her that day, would that be considered to be entrapment? I got a text from a girl, one that had never texted me before except in response to one of my texts. Fortunately I had a real reason why I couldn't meet her, and I never received another text from her. Now I am wondering if they would stoop so low as to do that, and if so, if it would be entrapment.

I think that is entrapment and impersonation. I personally don't see how the police could use another person's phone without their permission, but who knows now days. I guess that would have to be your defense, where it was under false impersonation and due to that it led to entrapment. You would have to read the text and see if it seems like an entrapment and to be safe, be vague in your response. After these recent high profile busts I am having second thoughts of meeting someone without any reviews, even if they have a humaniiplex account.

[QUOTE=Marlowe;2354144]If LE were to arrest a girl I had dated previously, and then began texting the numbers in her cell phone, asking the person if they could meet her that day, would that be considered to be entrapment? I got a text from a girl, one that had never texted me before except in response to one of my texts. Fortunately I had a real reason why I couldn't meet her, and I never received another text from her. Now I am wondering if they would stoop so low as to do that, and if so, if it would be entrapment.[/QUOTE]

I suppose if that were to happen again and depending on your relationship with her, I would text "call me", so you have voice confirmation. If she did call, just say lets hook up, without any incriminating details.

[QUOTE=Marlowe;2354144]If LE were to arrest a girl I had dated previously, and then began texting the numbers in her cell phone, asking the person if they could meet her that day, would that be considered to be entrapment? I got a text from a girl, one that had never texted me before except in response to one of my texts. Fortunately I had a real reason why I couldn't meet her, and I never received another text from her. Now I am wondering if they would stoop so low as to do that, and if so, if it would be entrapment.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marlowe;2354144]If LE were to arrest a girl I had dated previously, and then began texting the numbers in her cell phone, asking the person if they could meet her that day, would that be considered to be entrapment? I got a text from a girl, one that had never texted me before except in response to one of my texts. Fortunately I had a real reason why I couldn't meet her, and I never received another text from her. Now I am wondering if they would stoop so low as to do that, and if so, if it would be entrapment.[/QUOTE]1) yes the police can use a phone confiscated as part of a criminal enterprise.

2) no it would not be entrapment per se, that would depend on other specific circumstances.

[QUOTE=Gpc1085;2353699]Heard on news a week ago they wanted to cut down on the worlds oldest profession at and around this event (the SB). (guess it has been increasing every year) and look who gets caught in one of the stings. HOF-er and NFL analyst Warren Sapp. LOL. This just after basketball analyst and former NBA player Greg Anthony was arrested two weeks ago for solicitation a prostitute in an Atlantic City Hotel lobby. LOL. Guess no one's immune to it is the moral of the story. Not just senators but two prominent sorts analyst / ex players in less then a month. Wow. Waiting for more details to come out on it. Sure it was a lucrative high end girl he wanted to come to his hotel or maybe he solicited in Lobby I'm thinking. Doubt with his $ it would have been a street girl.

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/02/us/warren-sapp-arrest/index.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Sapp wasn't taken down in a sting. The story is that there was a noise complaint and a LEO doing security at the hotel showed up to find Sapp and 2 ladies at the room. The 2 working gals claimed Sapp assaulted them and it came out that they were prostitutes. To make it worse when Sapp got taken in for questioning, he admitted the girls were hookers.

So the key takeaways here for everyone is: avoid drama with the hookers. Fuck them, Pay them, Leave them. And if anything happens, know how to handle questions from the l. E.

[QUOTE=Dolato;2354809]Sapp wasn't taken down in a sting. The story is that there was a noise complaint and a LEO doing security at the hotel showed up to find Sapp and 2 ladies at the room. The 2 working gals claimed Sapp assaulted them and it came out that they were prostitutes. To make it worse when Sapp got taken in for questioning, he admitted the girls were hookers.

So the key takeaways here for everyone is: avoid drama with the hookers. Fuck them, Pay them, Leave them. And if anything happens, know how to handle questions from the l. E.[/QUOTE]When he saw two girls at the door he should have pretended he wasnt there. Two hookers always means problems. You might THINK it means double the fun but it doesn't.

It means one girl will either be stealing things, being bored as hell or telling the girl servicing you to hurry up.

He big mistake was admitting they were ******. You always need to play stupid on that issue. Play stupid to the very end.

Even if they had video of me giving the girl the money I'd say I was giving them taxi money back home. I'd still never admit they were ******.

[QUOTE=Dolato;2354809]Sapp wasn't taken down in a sting. The story is that there was a noise complaint and a LEO doing security at the hotel showed up to find Sapp and 2 ladies at the room. The 2 working gals claimed Sapp assaulted them and it came out that they were prostitutes. To make it worse when Sapp got taken in for questioning, he admitted the girls were hookers.

So the key takeaways here for everyone is: avoid drama with the hookers. Fuck them, Pay them, Leave them. And if anything happens, know how to handle questions from the l. E.[/QUOTE]So why was the onus immediately on the male, Warren Sapp? These two females admitted to being prostitutes, and to having broken the "law" with him in the hotel room. Why weren't they arrested and charged with what society persists in labelling a crime? Basically this was a negotiation gone bad, after any illegal act had been finished, why was he charged on the basis of the word of these two femalses, both of whom probably have long criminal records?

[QUOTE=Marlowe;2354975]So why was the onus immediately on the male, Warren Sapp? These two females admitted to being prostitutes, and to having broken the "law" with him in the hotel room. Why weren't they arrested and charged with what society persists in labelling a crime? Basically this was a negotiation gone bad, after any illegal act had been finished, why was he charged on the basis of the word of these two femalses, both of whom probably have long criminal records?[/QUOTE]Women were charged as well. He admitted himself during questioning what he had done.