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Flights+hotel (+car rental) doesn't cost that much when you can see girls that are hotter than the ones that want 450 in stl for 140-200 in Chicago, NYC, LA.
Henny is less hot than nearly every Asian women I've seen, her body is nice but you got to close your eyes and hold your nose to bust. Even when she was 300 half hour there was multiple other white women I'd rather see than her.
[QUOTE=SpammyRotor;7349535]I've got a rant of my own to add:
Men having a variety of preferences is fine to a point. When dudes are regularly visiting these low quality providers despite price hikes, the rest of the higher quality providers see the bottom line rising, so no shit they're going to raise their prices too. Or that provider keeps seeing repeat clients and still getting more, so she thinks she's worth charging more for. That's how any market economy works. And speaking of economy, it makes me internally groan when the excuse for price increases is "inflation". No, inflation doesn't cause this drastic of increased prices unless the economy is crashing. Just be honest. You saw that 2/10 provider charges $300/ hr, so you feel justified in charging $500 or whatever higher price you settle on. Now, I've already established from my review posts here that I barely go out in the hobby, but I aim for higher end providers. And part of the strategy is that I can wait for good providers to come by like Melani Macqueen or Julia Rivington. And I say that because the only good ones are ones that fly in from out of city.
This place sucks, and the case with Henny is a good example of why. I was one of the first guys to see AND review her last year when she was $300/ hr + $60 GFE. Even then, she had limits on her GFE menu like no FIV. I only saw her that one time. A year later, and she now charges $450 + whatever extra for GFE. What has changed in her services? She has pushed herself into the higher end provider territory, so what new thing has she introduced that puts her on the same level as the aforementioned two providers. BTW, Melani charges $450 for GFE without an extra charge. At that price level, the upcharging needs to stop.
Whatever, it just annoys me the weak impulse control in some of STL's mongers. Had guys stopped seeing Henny after she raised from $350 to $400, I guarantee you she would have stopped there. But no, dudes can't just jerk off and hold out for a few months.[/QUOTE]Some girls will grandfather you in at your old rate, some won't. Just depends on how much they like you. I'm going to try a different approach. Assume you are a mechanic. A really good mechanic. To get some customers you charge $75/ hr. Word gets out you're a great mechanic and all of a sudden your parking lot is full of cars. You've established your demand and reputation. So you bump your price up per hour to $125/ hr. You lose a few customers but that's ok because now you have steady clientele. Does it suck for your old customers, sure, but that's life and how the marketplace works. Tons of girls have done the same thing. Started out a $300 and are now at $1500. Yes, it happens all the time and they don't miss a beat.
You guys have a good one coming to STL. Go see her if you have time.
[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/ashley-nicole-274[/URL]
[QUOTE=Illini25;7349926]Some girls will grandfather you in at your old rate, some won't. Just depends on how much they like you. I'm going to try a different approach. Assume you are a mechanic. A really good mechanic. To get some customers you charge $75/ hr. Word gets out you're a great mechanic and all of a sudden your parking lot is full of cars. You've established your demand and reputation. So you bump your price up per hour to $125/ hr. You lose a few customers but that's ok because now you have steady clientele. Does it suck for your old customers, sure, but that's life and how the marketplace works. Tons of girls have done the same thing. Started out a $300 and are now at $1500. Yes, it happens all the time and they don't miss a beat.[/QUOTE]Well, using your analogy, I'm pretty sure if a local mechanic went from charging clients $75/hr to "$275-350/hr" (ie: suddenly expecting "Exotic Euro-Car Level" service rates) just to do the "exact" same "basic" oil change on an old Chevy Malibu that they've been doing all along (which is basically what some of these girls are now doing by jacking up their rates "constantly and dramatically" for no real reason) chances are they'd see their business dry up overnight, leaving only "complete suckers" still willing to use them...It's one thing for a provider to have a "reasonable" rate increase for services over time (I get it, that's just life) but when she inexplicably jumps up "100's of dollars" for no legit reason and you're the one still actually trying to justify her sudden case of "GPS Greed" in your mind, at some point you stop being a client and you just become a "mark".
Stay Safe.
[QUOTE=DVelvet69;7350192]Well, using your analogy, I'm pretty sure if a local mechanic went from charging clients $75/hr to "$275-350/hr" (ie: asking "Exotic Car Level" service rates) just to do the "exact" same "basic" oil change on an old Chevy Malibu they've been doing (which is basically what some of these girls are now doing by jacking up their rates "dramatically" for no real reason) chances are they'd see their business dry up overnight, leaving only "complete suckers" still willing to use them...At some point you "stop" being a client and you just become a "mark".
Stay Safe.[/QUOTE]This is only true if they find no one willing to pay. If you are charging 75/ hr you need 4 clients willing to pay that and work in your schedule to make $300. You charge $300 you have a 4 hour window that you need to only concern filling up an hour. Then you got 3 hours of "free" time to do whatever you want.
The only way that things will ever come down in price is if NO ONE pays it. And there is always that one who will.
[QUOTE=PoolSideChairs;7349676]Guys, I just said no more and stopped riding on the crazy train. $300 for some fat and remotely average looking gal in a dump motel, no chance! I have found an enormous amount of success just asking for fun from a woman I find to be attractive when stopping at a QT or Mobile. Just say, "Hello, I hope this does not offend you, but I find you to be extremely attractive, and I was wondering if you might be interested in some fun on a paid date". You will be surprised how many women will immediately say, Well maybe, how much do you have to spend? Do not ask women with children, women with another man or wearing a wedding ring, driving a minivan, and stay away from finely dressed or driving a nice car, etc. Look for ladies dressed a bit casually, maybe buying cigarettes or fountain soda, or lottery tickets. These items seem to be the trigger signs for someone open to pay for play. Be nice, do not be creepy, and start with a kind hello. I have completely stopped using any websites, they are all basically scams and even the historically good site, like EROS and Trist are 50% + scammers. No scammers at QT or Mobile. If they don't like you or are not interested, they will either ignore you or say not interested. Either way, no harm to either of you. I feel like I am batting 500 right now on nice and pretty women saying yes for $200-$250, and none of them start with a clock and you do not ask anything about them, from them, including their name or phone number (unless they offer). Otherwise, you make the situation weird, and they decide to bail. You both understand the time is for you to enjoy yourselves, 30 minutes is appropriate, and they want, or more likely, need the bonus money. Everyone leaves happy. Plus, almost all are fine with BBBJ and 1 in 4 are fine with bare FS (No CIP). All of the hot, young and fit girls still exist in STL, but the system has become too complicated for just an off the cuff opportunity to make quick cash. Given an opportunity whit no strings attached and numerous option open up. Dump the ugly and fat chicks![/QUOTE]Pricing me out has definitely help me quit the habit I had going. I'm open to 200 but I usually stick around 150 if possible and now there are like maybe 2 girls that I know well enough to do that. Otherwise if I'm looking for something quick-ish Ill just go to the AMPs where I know I'm paying 170 and at don't have have to worry about a pimp, drugs, or any of that nonsense.
Anyone seen this person? She seems to travel between here, Peoria and Quad Cities. I've exchanged texts but when it comes down to getting an address, she ghosted.
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/missouri/stlouis/190535709[/URL]
[QUOTE=DVelvet69;7350192]Well, using your analogy, I'm pretty sure if a local mechanic went from charging clients $75/hr to "$275-350/hr" (ie: suddenly expecting "Exotic Euro-Car Level" service rates) just to do the "exact" same "basic" oil change on an old Chevy Malibu that they've been doing all along (which is basically what some of these girls are now doing by jacking up their rates "constantly and dramatically" for no real reason) chances are they'd see their business dry up overnight, leaving only "complete suckers" still willing to use them...It's one thing for a provider to have a "reasonable" rate increase for services over time (I get it, that's just life) but when she inexplicably jumps up "100's of dollars" for no legit reason and you're the one still actually trying to justify her sudden case of "GPS Greed" in your mind, at some point you stop being a client and you just become a "mark".
Stay Safe.[/QUOTE]Which of our local girls was ever $75/ hr? It used to be $150 half /200 hr for a decent girl, 300/ hr for more upscale and that really didn't change forever. Now it's like 200/300, and 400+ for upscale.
[QUOTE=Glutton4;7350426]Anyone seen this person? She seems to travel between here, Peoria and Quad Cities. I've exchanged texts but when it comes down to getting an address, she ghosted.
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/missouri/stlouis/190535709[/URL][/QUOTE]Yeah, that kinda body screams TGTBT for me, at least around here.
[QUOTE=Prof30;7350624]Yeah, that kinda body screams TGTBT for me, at least around here.[/QUOTE]I've seen her on one of her past trips to STL so I can say with absolute certainty that she's for real. The pics are 100% her and that body is even better in person. LFK, BBBJ and multiple positions were enjoyed. DATY is not available on a first visit so I definitely need to repeat and get a taste. Let me just tell you that it was tight and beautiful.
I'm pretty sure I saw her based on a review I saw here as I don't generally TOFTT with a girl who looks like that, but maybe I was feeling bold that day. Regardless, I'm glad I did and I feel like she's one of those girls who gets even better the more you see her. It was definitely a bit awkward in the very beginning but she got into it as things progressed.
[QUOTE=Glutton4;7350426]Anyone seen this person? She seems to travel between here, Peoria and Quad Cities. I've exchanged texts but when it comes down to getting an address, she ghosted.
[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/missouri/stlouis/190535709[/URL][/QUOTE]Yeah I saw her like back in March and posted a review. She is VERY attractive and didn't appear to be on anything—friendly and polite but kinda quiet and awkward. But service was not worth the price in my opinion. She either had a lot of no’s or wanted to upcharge for a lot of things, we did a few positions but it seemed she just wanted me to cum. Then she suggested a bbj, which I was happy about (I don't usually want to get off to BJs but that sounded really good). I asked if we could do that 69 style, which was fine, but her BJ quickly turned into mostly a HJ and she finished me off that way, which I was not happy about.
[QUOTE=RomanBath;7350769]Yeah I saw her like back in March and posted a review. She is VERY attractive and didn't appear to be on anythingfriendly and polite but kinda quiet and awkward. But service was not worth the price in my opinion. She either had a lot of nos or wanted to upcharge for a lot of things, we did a few positions but it seemed she just wanted me to cum. Then she suggested a bbj, which I was happy about (I don't usually want to get off to BJs but that sounded really good). I asked if we could do that 69 style, which was fine, but her BJ quickly turned into mostly a HJ and she finished me off that way, which I was not happy about.[/QUOTE]If the service isn't worth the price, I was told to just save my money and move on. I hope this helps.
[QUOTE=PoolSideChairs;7349676]Guys, I just said no more and stopped riding on the crazy train. $300 for some fat and remotely average looking gal in a dump motel, no chance! I have found an enormous amount of success just asking for fun from a woman I find to be attractive when stopping at a QT or Mobile. Just say, "Hello, I hope this does not offend you, but I find you to be extremely attractive, and I was wondering if you might be interested in some fun on a paid date". You will be surprised how many women will immediately say, Well maybe, how much do you have to spend? Do not ask women with children, women with another man or wearing a wedding ring, driving a minivan, and stay away from finely dressed or driving a nice car, etc. Look for ladies dressed a bit casually, maybe buying cigarettes or fountain soda, or lottery tickets. These items seem to be the trigger signs for someone open to pay for play. Be nice, do not be creepy, and start with a kind hello. I have completely stopped using any websites, they are all basically scams and even the historically good site, like EROS and Trist are 50% + scammers. No scammers at QT or Mobile. If they don't like you or are not interested, they will either ignore you or say not interested. Either way, no harm to either of you. I feel like I am batting 500 right now on nice and pretty women saying yes for $200-$250, and none of them start with a clock and you do not ask anything about them, from them, including their name or phone number (unless they offer). Otherwise, you make the situation weird, and they decide to bail. You both understand the time is for you to enjoy yourselves, 30 minutes is appropriate, and they want, or more likely, need the bonus money. Everyone leaves happy. Plus, almost all are fine with BBBJ and 1 in 4 are fine with bare FS (No CIP). All of the hot, young and fit girls still exist in STL, but the system has become too complicated for just an off the cuff opportunity to make quick cash. Given an opportunity whit no strings attached and numerous option open up. Dump the ugly and fat chicks![/QUOTE]I take Uber rides every so often. A few months back I had a driver from Middle East. He spoke perfect English. We talked frankly about life etc. He claimed he got more gals from this uber job than any other job anywhere. Especially from urban or Boeing areas or areas outside Alton IL. I believe him. He stated gals would trade services for rides. They'd keep his personal mobile number and he'd be their driver. He also said hair stylists in general were upfront about trading a nice hour for rides. Cars broken down etc. Single moms needing rides for various reasons. True or not, I listened and he seemed sincere. He stated two gals rode with him weekly on different days to and from their workplaces. Hair salons. Another lady got her vehicle back after using his uber but kept his number and they meet weekly at night in hazelwood for a private arrangement. I believe this guy at least partially. I’m still wondering why he was sharing this info. It makes perfect sense an Uber guy can meet people. I'm guessing he was paying their fares on their behalf. Great post above.. maybe uber is a good way to meet gals willing to do a financial arrangement..
Gents,
Saw Petra first thing this am. Body is a complete knockout. I recommend if you see her to have her on top. The view is very nice with her. With the market for GPS, I know. 3 is high for 30 min, but for what happened was worth it.
Incall is safe by the galleria. She is here till Monday.
[URL]https://www.eros.com/missouri/st_louis/files/4377361.htm?cat=1[/URL]
[QUOTE=MavericksDick;7351138]Gents,
Saw Petra first thing this am. Body is a complete knockout. I recommend if you see her to have her on top. The view is very nice with her. With the market for GPS, I know. 3 is high for 30 min, but for what happened was worth it.
Incall is safe by the galleria. She is here till Monday.
[URL]https://www.eros.com/missouri/st_louis/files/4377361.htm?cat=1[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't think 3 is high if your actually very hot and do good service too.