"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=GenevaGuy;4073304]I just got bitched out by a gal on SA who contacted me. Now, I'm very clear in my profile (without using language that will get me banned from SA) that I'm not looking for eye candy because my time to meet is limited. And we will have "private meetings" only.

So, this gal contacted me and we moved to text messaging for the particulars. BF is in prison (that's a red flag already), and she has 2 kids and supposedly a job. Told her my needs (draining of my balls on each visit. But, I used the term intimacy in bed when she and I chatted) and told her my gift, $150. She then started railing me "you say you are a SD but you really are not. What about my allowance monthly"?

Poor girl. Can't find a sucker to help pay her rent, send BF in prison money etc.

I did explain to her how it works. She buys into the idea of "free money" from SDs.

OH well.

GG.[/QUOTE]Man, Since the demise of BP and CL, SA has become a catch all. The chick above is on SA only because she can advertise for free for quick cash. I've noticed, now, 50-75% are pros, semi-pros, or UTR looking for quick cash transactions. For them it is a short game and they are leaving money on the table. I lean toward traditional SD / SB and exclusive FWB relationships on that site. I spend far more on dinners, shows, shopping trips, gift cards, travel, etc than I'd ever spend $200 at a time. But I take pride and get pleasure from my girl being taken care of (clothes, nails, passport stamps, cultural events) and she shows her appreciation with small gifts of her own and pressing the edge of her envelope in sexual experimentation and taking pride in looking as nice as possible in fancy restaurants.

Fellas,

For those that do SD / SB relationships, what did you get her for Christmas? I'm looking for ideas to round out what I've already done. So far, I got tickets for her and I to the nutcracker, high end dinner downtown, $250 Buckle gift card, $100 at her Tanning place, and $100 at her nail place. I'm looking for something tangible, discreet, that she can keep after this relationship has run its course and she can think back to the fun have had.

HJ.

[QUOTE=HawkJock;4074166]For those that state "platonic" I tend to ....[/QUOTE]Remind them that Plato was famous for buggering his students.

[QUOTE=HawkJock;4074182]I lean toward traditional SD / SB and exclusive FWB relationships on that site. I spend far more on dinners, shows, shopping trips, gift cards, travel, etc than I'd ever spend $200 at a time. [/QUOTE]Yes, loving the FWB + dash of romance dynamic with my SB. Just had a romantic pre-Christmas date: fondue in front of a roaring fireplace, champagne, Christmas music in the background, and some carefully-chosen gifts for her under the tree. Followed by a Christmas movie then an overnight for cuddles / playtime, with a leisurely morning before seeing her off until next week's date.

These types of stay-in dates are punctuated with dinner or movies out, plus trips (NYC recently, Florida upcoming this winter) that are just a blast. For the most part, on our dates and trips I can all but literally say that I enjoy every minute of her company.

My recent attempts at branching out for new SB's has turned up nothing even close to this. Could I find someone more sexually intense, yeah, no doubt. I miss that in my LTSB, but she filled so much of my bucket list when we were together that I don't mind this shift of gears.

I'm getting to the point in my life where I want to treat myself for all the hard work and bs I've had to put up with up to this point. Just out of curiosity, has anyone had any success with a sugar baby that was open to bringing another sugar baby in the mix for possible drinks and fun? Is the SB that posts Men / Women in their "Lookng for" really open to another female soaking up all the attention from her? I'm looking to string 2 maybe 3 SB's together for an unforgettable experience. What's the secret sauce in approaching this situation?

[QUOTE=LoriTruck;4074702]I'm getting to the point in my life where I want to treat myself for all the hard work and bs I've had to put up with up to this point. Just out of curiosity, has anyone had any success with a sugar baby that was open to bringing another sugar baby in the mix for possible drinks and fun? Is the SB that posts Men / Women in their "Lookng for" really open to another female soaking up all the attention from her? I'm looking to string 2 maybe 3 SB's together for an unforgettable experience. What's the secret sauce in approaching this situation?[/QUOTE]Yes. A couple of times actually. One duo became friends and will blow my phone up periodically, even recently, even tho I haven't seen them individually in over a year. In my experience, one of them is always a 30-40 something married lady, from SA, playing on the sly. So one is on the promiscuous side anyway. I've found that taking them on a boat, midweek, to a quiet cove, to be 100% successful. Champagne with fruit and berries and other drinks may be the trick as well!? The times I've arranged meetings at restaurants or at my place, the younger / baby will often get cold feet. I don't recall if any of these ladies had men / women in their "looking for" section. These take hell of a lot of work, a lot of pic swapping, and several iterations of 1-1 time, and maybe a no show before they actually commit. Whatever you do, I don't recommend springing it on one or both of them. Good luck!! They are fun as hell, and I am not a big fan of 3-sum.

[QUOTE=LoriTruck;4074702]I'm getting to the point in my life where I want to treat myself for all the hard work and bs I've had to put up with up to this point. Just out of curiosity, has anyone had any success with a sugar baby that was open to bringing another sugar baby in the mix for possible drinks and fun? Is the SB that posts Men / Women in their "Lookng for" really open to another female soaking up all the attention from her? I'm looking to string 2 maybe 3 SB's together for an unforgettable experience. What's the secret sauce in approaching this situation?[/QUOTE]You should look way back in the thread, bowl buddy BikeRider, I believe, set up a profile to snag threesomes some time ago. He was actually deluged w / messaging. I followed up w / him sometime after, evidently none of them bore fruit, for logistical reasons.

[QUOTE=HawkJock;4074166]For those that state "platonic" I tend to press the issue shortly after moving to text. I usually tell them I'm going to grab a nap and napping is better when done together, or better after being "tucked" in appropriately. Or I tell them I'm jumping in the shower and I could use a hand for those hard to reach areas. Those that are truly platonic (truly virgins) will let you know quickly that they are not comfortable with such talk. I let them go before wasting anymore time or money. Those that are pros, semi-pros, or UTR (none of which I am looking for) will be quick to send pics and talk price, and I let them go. Those that are in it for what I am looking for (young energetic girl looking for adventure and maturity that she can't get on L / are swipe apps) will respond with "ummmm" or "I like the way you think" or "that sounds fun" or "I think we are going to hit it off and I look forward to joining you eventually. ".[/QUOTE]Thank you so much for these hints. I have also started to look more closely at profiles that include platonic, wondering if they can be turned. Always, doing something that isn't what everyone else is doing is a good strategy to get a better experience. For example, when SA had lifestyle buttons, I had a search that was only the top level, figuring many guys would stay away. Not saying it worked, but.

I tried to renew my SA subscription on line today. I chose the 30 day subscription option. But when I got to the end it basically says by the way this is going to be an automatically renewed subscription after thirty days now that we have your cc number. There is no option to opt out. I have always done my renewals by fax and after 30 days it ran out. Has this always been the case? I have no intention of signing up for an auto renewal.

[QUOTE=RappaHannock;4074858]I tried to renew my SA subscription on line today. I chose the 30 day subscription option. But when I got to the end it basically says by the way this is going to be an automatically renewed subscription after thirty days now that we have your cc number. There is no option to opt out. I have always done my renewals by fax and after 30 days it ran out. Has this always been the case? I have no intention of signing up for an auto renewal.[/QUOTE]After you sign back up, just go into your settings and cancel the auto-renewal.

[QUOTE=RappaHannock;4074858]I tried to renew my SA subscription on line today. I chose the 30 day subscription option. But when I got to the end it basically says by the way this is going to be an automatically renewed subscription after thirty days now that we have your cc number. There is no option to opt out. I have always done my renewals by fax and after 30 days it ran out. Has this always been the case? I have no intention of signing up for an auto renewal.[/QUOTE]It allows you to cancel auto renew at anytime by clicking on payments under your settings menu. I was off it for a month and it indeed did not auto renew.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4074924]It allows you to cancel auto renew at anytime by clicking on payments under your settings menu. I was off it for a month and it indeed did not auto renew.[/QUOTE]Ok great. Thanks.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4074102]I can't tell you the number of 20 somethings who are quite happy to tell me they are comfortable getting naked with a man 2 x their age become men under 30 are clueless losers. USE THIS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. [/QUOTE]College aged girls have had to deal with this Generation-Z syndrome where the guys they know fall into specific buckets -- they guys they meet either grew up with "special snowflake syndrome", or they are an outright drug-addled moron. Add to that the "gender confusion" movement, where young males are penalized by the media for behaving like men or any other display of true masculinity. Movies, social media, even modern video games, more and more, are starting to portray women as not only the intellectually superior gender, but also the PHYSICALLY superior gender (I'll come back to this). Producers of this media are increasingly gay males (who could give a fuck one way or the other as long as there is enough shock value to sell tickets), so they create this fictitious image of bad-ass women, who go around karate-kicking and back-flipping their way out of fights with men carrying assault rifles.

While that kind of shit might strike a chord with a 12 year old girl, an 18-22 whose hormones and sex drive are starting to really kick in has usually had enough. I said I would come back to the statement above. While all of that sci-fi media portrayal shit is great for kids, these girls (who, as we know, DO mature emotionally faster than males) get to a point where the fiction isn't good enough anymore and they want something real. I hate to sound like Charlie Sheen here (LOL). But honestly I think the Gen-X male is "winning" from all of this if they possess the right characteristics.

Not all girls are born SB material. Mileage may vary, but my own observation has been that most SBs have daddy issues of one variety or another. The reason this lifestyle is becoming more prevalent is because the trend seems to be that the population of girls with daddy issues is ever-increasing.

Why is that? Not rocket science. Most of this can be traced back to the Equal Rights Amendment of the 70's. Lots of women back then opposed the movement, because they knew it would disrupt the family unit, resulting in a disruption of society that would ultimately break down the family unit in a way that America would never be able to adequately cope with. But, the ones in favor of the movement ultimately won out, saying society would adjust.

Both sides were right. America adapted to this by accepting the dissolution of traditional family roles as the norm. Fast forward and what is the net effect? More career women that have babies and raise them alone because they can, many of which have broken or non-existent relationships with their father. This creates fertile ground for the birth of enormous amounts of sugar babies, and there is no sign of it letting up any time soon (how could we reverse it, remove women's right to vote or work? LOL). Fundamentally, the girls born out of these conditions will always have a craving for older men. This makes the score -10 points for guys their age, and +10 for guys old enough to represent the father figure they long for. They certainly do sometimes struggle with issues of peer pressure in the college aged range, that makes them want to keep their secret craving private, but once they leave the "school yard gossip" scene and are fully immersed in adulthood (approx 25 years old and up), they no longer even care about this.

So basically, the next time you unload your wad deep into some college girl, take a moment to step back and thank the proponents of the ERA movement of the 70's. I know I can say without question, their actions, more than anyone, have blessed my life with unlimited access to prime quality pussy.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;4074974]College aged girls have had to deal with this Generation-Z syndrome where the guys they know fall into specific buckets -- they guys they meet either grew up with "special snowflake syndrome", or they are an outright drug-addled moron. Add to that the "gender confusion" movement, where young males are penalized by the media for behaving like men or any other display of true masculinity. Movies, social media, even modern video games, more and more, are starting to portray women as not only the intellectually superior gender, but also the PHYSICALLY superior gender (I'll come back to this). Producers of this media are increasingly gay males (who could give a fuck one way or the other as long as there is enough shock value to sell tickets), so they create this fictitious image of bad-ass women, who go around karate-kicking and back-flipping their way out of fights with men carrying assault rifles.

While that kind of shit might strike a chord with a 12 year old girl, an 18-22 whose hormones and sex drive are starting to really kick in has usually had enough. I said I would come back to the statement above. While all of that sci-fi media portrayal shit is great for kids, these girls (who, as we know, DO mature emotionally faster than males) get to a point where the fiction isn't good enough anymore and they want something real. I hate to sound like Charlie Sheen here (LOL). But honestly I think the Gen-X male is "winning" from all of this if they possess the right characteristics.

Not all girls are born SB material. Mileage may vary, but my own observation has been that most SBs have daddy issues of one variety or another. The reason this lifestyle is becoming more prevalent is because the trend seems to be that the population of girls with daddy issues is ever-increasing.

Why is that? Not rocket science. Most of this can be traced back to the Equal Rights Amendment of the 70's. Lots of women back then opposed the movement, because they knew it would disrupt the family unit, resulting in a disruption of society that would ultimately break down the family unit in a way that America would never be able to adequately cope with. But, the ones in favor of the movement ultimately won out, saying society would adjust.

Both sides were right. America adapted to this by accepting the dissolution of traditional family roles as the norm. Fast forward and what is the net effect? More career women that have babies and raise them alone because they can, many of which have broken or non-existent relationships with their father. This creates fertile ground for the birth of enormous amounts of sugar babies, and there is no sign of it letting up any time soon (how could we reverse it, remove women's right to vote or work? LOL). Fundamentally, the girls born out of these conditions will always have a craving for older men. This makes the score -10 points for guys their age, and +10 for guys old enough to represent the father figure they long for. They certainly do sometimes struggle with issues of peer pressure in the college aged range, that makes them want to keep their secret craving private, but once they leave the "school yard gossip" scene and are fully immersed in adulthood (approx 25 years old and up), they no longer even care about this.

So basically, the next time you unload your wad deep into some college girl, take a moment to step back and thank the proponents of the ERA movement of the 70's. I know I can say without question, their actions, more than anyone, have blessed my life with unlimited access to prime quality pussy.[/QUOTE]All the above is right!! Travel to Colombia, Panama, Czech, Hungary, Philippines, or any number of countries. The whole SD / SB, there, isn't stigmatized like it is here. It is the norm. Tho, I do contend the whole father figure aspect. I've nailed many upstanding ladies from great families. They are done with dudes their age! Dudes don't know how to open a door, or make reservations, or make plans and tell a lady "I just bought us tickets" for a particular show. The demise of the 20-30 y/o male population has been amazing to my adventures!!

[QUOTE=Walruscl;4074608]Yes, loving the FWB + dash of romance dynamic with my SB. Just had a romantic pre-Christmas date: fondue in front of a roaring fireplace, champagne, Christmas music in the background, and some carefully-chosen gifts for her under the tree. Followed by a Christmas movie then an overnight for cuddles / playtime, with a leisurely morning before seeing her off until next week's date.[/QUOTE]I did an unusual move and used my DSLR to get a picture of my SB that night. We were sitting on the floor using the coffee table to eat so that we could be next to the fireplace. So my view during dinner was of her 3' away, warmly side-lit by the fire, with the Christmas tree behind her as a perfect framing / backdrop. Took a couple of tries in LightRoom to balance the warmth of the firelight versus making her skin tone look accurate / flattering, but I ended up with a really nice memento. She was very appreciative when I texted her the results.

So now here I am again, with a gorgeous picture that I can't show anyone. Even though I trust some of the senior members here, I simply won't break my rule of not putting any SB pics out electronically. Even these past few posts were a bit of oversharing, but it was quite the high so it was difficult to resist.

Anyway, a bit of a rhetorical post, but it was on my mind.