[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7336911]I made a long post a year or 2 back where I analyzed cost vs fun over a month. I generally only get a sub for a month and can usually find someone to meet me needs in a few days to a week, but I decided that month to see just how much action I could get. I'll link the original post at the bottom but the tl;dr is: more expensive girls were generally worse experiences than cheaper ones. I always regretted paying more, and never regretted paying less.
Ultimately what you pay is based on how you act. If you treat seeking like it's a paid escort ad service, and only send a few texts back and forth before saying "how much?" you're only going to hear from the semi-pros and almost escorts. And those prices will be in 500+ range since that's how much they charge on escort sites or when they used to work at an agency etc. If you want good looking mid 20's girls for a reasonable sub-300 PPM, then you HAVE to treat this site like a dating site and those girls like potential GFs. Not escorts, but honest to god gfs. You may be thinking "well hell the reason I pay them is to avoid needing to do that" and that's a fair opinion, and I'd encourage anyone who thinks so to stick with escorts. If you want minimum effort and a guaranteed return then find an escort in your budget and enjoy.
I'm an early 40's guy who is the farthest thing from attractive. When I talk to these girls, I actually talk to them. I read their profiles, talk about their interests, ask about them and so on. I almost never bring up $ until we've talked back and forth for awhile. Remember, most of the guys who message her are frankly, assholes. If you're not, you're already a few steps ahead. That 500 PPM price? That's the asshole price. She'll still fuck him, but she doesn't really WANT to fuck him, so the PPM is correspondingly high. If SBs are shooting you down, you're likely not spending enough time getting to know them and making them feel comfortable. I've been balls deep in gorgeous 20 somethings for NOTHING but the cost of dinner. I had a 21 year old pretty thing that I took out for drinks, dinner, and I bought her a $50 necklace she liked off some street cart, and she fucked my brains out for the next 3 weeks or so for nothing more than dinner and a hotel room. Those aren't common, but it's not impossible.[/QUOTE]Personally I think this is the wrong approach. While I have done similar, I have even gotten into multi year relationship from the site and fuck buddies like you have. So I know it well. At the end of the day, what we want to do for the most part is fuck and fuck for a long period of time until we pass out.
Why should I have to wine and dine them and then pay them, with only a 5% chance that I get it for free.
While yeah there will be girls who get on the site and have daddy issues or are into older men fetish and will fuck you for the low or free. It is temporary and never last.
I have never meet up with a girl above 25 on that site. My approach which might not be for every one but it works and allows me to fuck till my legs give out.
Like sure you can get 200-250 after wining and dining but there's a coin flip that she gets up and wants to leave right after the first round (10-15 minutes). Then a roll of a dice you get below 200 or for free. Those odds are not great and are a waste of time and money when you don't luck out. I take a rather radical approach. I establish 300 early within the first 5 messages and also establish that they have to stay At least 3 hours. This removes the time wasting, guessing, coin flips, dice rolls, wine and dine and all the none-sense.
I put on music / Netflix and fuck her brains out for 3 hours straight.
-Training.
Unfortunately, it never works out as planned because these girls are stubborn and only care about raking you out of your money. Especially when you are the one bringing up ppm.
I make sure its three hours because when she gets here, I set my BIG alarm clock which I specifically bought just for this.
I set it to 3 hours and make it visible. Now she knows she can't leave and get the money till that clock runs out.
Remember you are the one with the money. You have all the cards. You make all the rules not her.
The problem is, we allow the girls to make the rules yet its our hard earned money.
Once she's already there, she wants to stay. Now she will try you, they always do, after the first pop they might ask about the money. Point to the clock and tell them you will give it after it hits 0 and not a second before. She might also try the, I'm tired lets take a break. Again its tempting to say cool lets take a break, but this is a mental battle as much as it is a financial one.
You have to make sure she 100% believes that she is on your time and that while she's there, she belongs to you and have to be on a good behavior and do what you say in order to get the money. So you have to reject every break (outside of bathroom break) that she initiates.
You have to reject every "I am sore", "I am tired".
Completely ignore it and bend her over and keep doing your thing.
If she insists / pushes, point back to the clock and say "There still. Remaining. Do you want to stop and end?
Girls can smell weakness, you have to show zero weakness on this. She has to know that you are standing on business and won't bulge even a little bit. Every break must be initiated by you and only you. So even if you were getting ready to take a break and she asks to take a break before you stopped and decided to. Then continue on.
This is very important on the first visit. You have to establish dominance, the minute you give in, you show your weakness. She won. If she's resistant and start making up stories of how her boss texted her to come to work early so she has to leave earl. Again point to the clock and say if you want to stop we can and then its over and then if she asks for money then say I can't we agreed on the clock there's still X left.
Eventually she will relent and give in completely then you will see a change in her countenance that's when you know you broke her will. Now you can do whatever you want to her and she won't complain not once.
Make sure you do two things, when you do take breaks, caress her, talk to her and be warm. Find out her interests, what she likes, etc. But then right before you want to go back for another round. Don't break frame and ask for permission or "lets go again". Instead ask her another question either about what you guys are watching or about her life. Then mid her sentence, turn her over and go back to pounding.
Again you are establishing dominance over her. (hot and cold, hot and cold). What you are doing is training her. Then at the end, again don't let her off the hook till that timer is about to hit zero and only then when it hit zero. (This is very Physiological). Then give her the money and high five her and tell her "you did good", "see that wasn't hard, I knew you could be daddy's little girl" with a huge smile and excitement.
Basically compliment and praise her. Again This is VERY important and physiological in nature. You are give her good reward dopamine. So she leaves feeling like she accomplished something.
Throw out a date 3 days in advance (you will be surprised that either she will suggest it or she will look forward to it). This is how you know you succeed. 3 days later setup a meet with her (important she has to see you as being consistent source of money).
2nd visit.
I promise you, you will have the most submissive girl you have ever seen.
You could leave, go to the kitchen and come back and she's still in position, waiting for you to stick it back in.
You're welcome.
But that's just level 1 I usually take it up a notch. Yes while pillow princess and lame fishes are boring.
If you do this right. They are better than girls who are DTF. Why? During the Second visit, I continue training by introducing handcuffs. I cuff them the entire time (important). I never take it off till the clock hits zero.
At this point, you already broke her will and she won't resist or show very little resistance. She knows till the clock hits zero you own her. And she knows no amount of BS excuse will get her the money unless she stays the full time.
You cuff her and pound her to your hearts desire. Don't give in to the urge of taking off the cuffs to use the bathroom or her phone. Remember she is on your time, you are NOT on her. Just because you broke her will doesn't mean she can't regain it if you completely break frame (you will never see level 4).
Third visit, you up it again by using a soft bondage rope tie (expensive, but important to make sure its comfortable). Watch videos to learn how to bound properly, only do her arms to her body and in a way that is comfortable. Aka the arms are not raised so there's consistent blood flow. You want her to feel comfortable at all times that way if she resists you know she's not doing it out of discomfort. Most girls at this point continue to submit because she knows you are good for the money and she has submitted to you as her master.
Fourth Visit and final level 4, you bound her again like last time, but this time you wait for her to say something you don't like or something you might disagree with. Then you gag ball her.
Now you have a young hot girl that's completely obedient to you and you can fuck for 3, 4 hours straight and you won't hear a peep from her. You don't have to hear her yap. Say anything. Now she knows her place. You can go make a sandwich and come back and she's there staring at the alarm clock timer, waiting for you to pound her again.
Now she knows her place and only comes and to get pounded for hours straight and not say a word.
Even if you are not a dominant guy, or are submissive. You can still pull this off. Because the point isn't to tie up girls, the point is being able to fuck to your hearts content without them giving you bs, "I have to work, I'm tired, I'm sore, etc. " Like I'm giving you hard earned money, why do I care that you are tired but still want to take my money.
At all the points of this, you have to know how to talk dirty and be a daddy. You are just being very dominant. It enhances the whole experience for her.
Do it right and You will have a girl go from not liking it to loving it and looking forward to it.
I only reached Level 4 once and she let me do whatever I wanted to her, then I had to move state (biggest regret).
Now I have a girl that I possibly can get to level 4 with by next week.
But even then after I reach it, its still a race against the clock.
Because sooner or later a number of guy out there will gps her from 300 to 600 in a matter of months.
