"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

We constantly remind guys no money up front but here I am. Meet for smoothies Fri but she wasn't "prepared" for anything more. Said we'd meet at her place Sun. (Her hosting). Comms good all Sat. "Hey, let's go get pedi's" Sun am I had stuff to do, so offered to pay for hers. $and change for that and Uber. She offered to take that out of our ppm later that day. YESSS, I knooow. My instincts were there just chose to roll the dice.

Of course she ghosted. Blocked me on SA or deleted her profile. Went by Hannah for me but probably changes every couple weeks.

Current hair is straight with bangs. Claims to be a singer.

[QUOTE=JGrey77;7333659]We constantly remind guys no money up front but here I am. Meet for smoothies Fri but she wasn't "prepared" for anything more. Said we'd meet at her place Sun. (Her hosting). Comms good all Sat. "Hey, let's go get pedi's" Sun am I had stuff to do, so offered to pay for hers. $and change for that and Uber. She offered to take that out of our ppm later that day. YESSS, I knooow. My instincts were there just chose to roll the dice.

Of course she ghosted. Blocked me on SA or deleted her profile. Went by Hannah for me but probably changes every couple weeks.

Current hair is straight with bangs. Claims to be a singer.[/QUOTE]YK, I spend some time / effort on every POT and SB trying to track down their personal info. I've gotten pretty good at it. I have always felt it is not too useful dealing w / a girl, unless she gets your personal info and threatens to unmask you. You have mutually assured destruction. I just keep it in my back pocket, just in case.

However, I can see a use for that now. Her name, her family's names, etc. If a girl did scam you, you could scare the crap out of her with a message that included some of the info that you know. Perhaps dissuade her from doing it to other guys (sort of taking one for the team). Personally, I've never been ripped off that way, so I haven't realized the utility of the personal info.

Has anyone met with Apollo? Curious to see if GPS or not.

I don't have the link to her profile but you've probably seen her pop up in your search results. 18-23 range. She is my type and we have common hobbies, so I sent a cheesy pick up line. Nothing NSFW. Got blocked immediately LOL. To be fair, my profile was blank, but other girls were cool with it and they bring it up after a few exchanges instead of blocking outright. Gave me GPS vibes. Maybe I dodged a bullet there.

If you have experience with Slavic girls, you know they can drain your balls and wallet proportionately LOL. I was willing to take the risk but well.

Hey everyone,

I'm still relatively new to the sugar lifestyle, but I wanted to get a sense of how others here view the current PPM landscape, particularly when it comes to what different types of SBs typically expect or accept.

From my limited experience so far, I've noticed a pattern, primarily ATL: most women who are willing to settle for $300 PPM or less tend to fall into a few categories — high-volume daters, single moms in their 30's and above, or younger women who may not be conventionally attractive or seem mainly focused on quick cash with little attention to the overall experience or connection.

On the flip side, the more stunning or "Instagram-model type" girls I've interacted with tend to scoff at anything under $450- $500 PPM, with many asking for significantly more, and some not even entertaining PPM at all, preferring allowances or arrangement-based support.

I understand everyone's experience can vary a lot depending on expectations and the dynamics of the relationship, so I'm curious:

What's your experience been like in terms of the typical PPM rates vs. The quality and type of SB you've encountered?

Do you find the same correlation, or is it different for you?

Some sub-reddits call SDs offering anything less than 500 JOHN.

Looking forward to hearing your insights.

Nice looking girl with bubbly ass that would bring joy to your dreams, so I messaged her dead on and asked to connect via text. Immediately sent a spicy selfie and moved to talk about owing to nanny and being unable to meet. Asking for online until the weekend so she can book nanny to meet up.

Little head lost on this one and I did not proceed. I left the door open if she decides to continue without online / deposit bs. However, I feel there are way many dudes out there willing to pay for "online" that would never turn into an in-person meet, so why would the girls bother?

Some girls have straight bat-shit crazy expectation like "passport ready travel" etc. Sure, let me get my private jet to your doorstep. Do they really think a man with that much wealth would bother with Seeking?

Geez man.

Little head lost that one too. She's been telling the same story for years. Needs financial help, has a kid, weekends only, has to arrange a nanny etc. All quite possible details but I quickly moved on and am surprised she's still peddling the same wares after all this time.

[QUOTE=CrazyRocket;7335493]Nice looking girl with bubbly ass that would bring joy to your dreams, so I messaged her dead on and asked to connect via text. Immediately sent a spicy selfie and moved to talk about owing to nanny and being unable to meet. Asking for online until the weekend so she can book nanny to meet up.

Little head lost on this one and I did not proceed. I left the door open if she decides to continue without online / deposit bs. However, I feel there are way many dudes out there willing to pay for "online" that would never turn into an in-person meet, so why would the girls bother?

Some girls have straight bat-shit crazy expectation like "passport ready travel" etc. Sure, let me get my private jet to your doorstep. Do they really think a man with that much wealth would bother with Seeking?

Geez man.[/QUOTE]

Is anyone else amazed at the number of "Trans-friendly" profiles there are lately? It's scary how good some of them look, causing me to actually click on the profile. I have a weakness for tall ladies (I've been fortunate enough to find a couple of great 6 foot plus real ladies on the site). Therefore, I'm always suspect of the profiles of anyone over 5'10". Still, I wish Seeking would make a separate category for them. It would save some time.

[QUOTE=Modukolo123;7335361]Hey everyone,

I'm still relatively new to the sugar lifestyle, but I wanted to get a sense of how others here view the current PPM landscape, particularly when it comes to what different types of SBs typically expect or accept.

From my limited experience so far, I've noticed a pattern, primarily ATL: most women who are willing to settle for $300 PPM or less tend to fall into a few categories high-volume daters, single moms in their 30's and above, or younger women who may not be conventionally attractive or seem mainly focused on quick cash with little attention to the overall experience or connection.

On the flip side, the more stunning or "Instagram-model type" girls I've interacted with tend to scoff at anything under $450- $500 PPM, with many asking for significantly more, and some not even entertaining PPM at all, preferring allowances or arrangement-based support.

I understand everyone's experience can vary a lot depending on expectations and the dynamics of the relationship, so I'm curious:

What's your experience been like in terms of the typical PPM rates vs. The quality and type of SB you've encountered?

Do you find the same correlation, or is it different for you?

Some sub-reddits call SDs offering anything less than 500 JOHN.

Looking forward to hearing your insights.[/QUOTE]So I posted before and there are some who will jump and say no you can get SBs for less, you need to have a game.

Etc. There is some truth that and it's few and far in between. But what you wrote above in generally accurate and has been my experience as well.

But again 10 years ago it was a diff story, you are drilling into a hot college while girl for 300.

Or 350 easily. I have done that too, but what you described above is the current state of affairs generally speaking, there are always exceptions.

[QUOTE=Modukolo123;7335361]Hey everyone,

I'm still relatively new to the sugar lifestyle, but I wanted to get a sense of how others here view the current PPM landscape, particularly when it comes to what different types of SBs typically expect or accept.

From my limited experience so far, I've noticed a pattern, primarily ATL: most women who are willing to settle for $300 PPM or less tend to fall into a few categories high-volume daters, single moms in their 30's and above, or younger women who may not be conventionally attractive or seem mainly focused on quick cash with little attention to the overall experience or connection.

On the flip side, the more stunning or "Instagram-model type" girls I've interacted with tend to scoff at anything under $450- $500 PPM, with many asking for significantly more, and some not even entertaining PPM at all, preferring allowances or arrangement-based support.

I understand everyone's experience can vary a lot depending on expectations and the dynamics of the relationship, so I'm curious:

What's your experience been like in terms of the typical PPM rates vs. The quality and type of SB you've encountered?

Do you find the same correlation, or is it different for you?

Some sub-reddits call SDs offering anything less than 500 JOHN.

Looking forward to hearing your insights.[/QUOTE]I made a long post a year or 2 back where I analyzed cost vs fun over a month. I generally only get a sub for a month and can usually find someone to meet me needs in a few days to a week, but I decided that month to see just how much action I could get. I'll link the original post at the bottom but the tl;dr is: more expensive girls were generally worse experiences than cheaper ones. I always regretted paying more, and never regretted paying less.

Ultimately what you pay is based on how you act. If you treat seeking like it's a paid escort ad service, and only send a few texts back and forth before saying "how much?" you're only going to hear from the semi-pros and almost escorts. And those prices will be in 500+ range since that's how much they charge on escort sites or when they used to work at an agency etc. If you want good looking mid 20's girls for a reasonable sub-300 PPM, then you HAVE to treat this site like a dating site and those girls like potential GFs. Not escorts, but honest to god gfs. You may be thinking "well hell the reason I pay them is to avoid needing to do that" and that's a fair opinion, and I'd encourage anyone who thinks so to stick with escorts. If you want minimum effort and a guaranteed return then find an escort in your budget and enjoy.

I'm an early 40's guy who is the farthest thing from attractive. When I talk to these girls, I actually talk to them. I read their profiles, talk about their interests, ask about them and so on. I almost never bring up $ until we've talked back and forth for awhile. Remember, most of the guys who message her are frankly, assholes. If you're not, you're already a few steps ahead. That 500 PPM price? That's the asshole price. She'll still fuck him, but she doesn't really WANT to fuck him, so the PPM is correspondingly high. If SBs are shooting you down, you're likely not spending enough time getting to know them and making them feel comfortable. I've been balls deep in gorgeous 20 somethings for NOTHING but the cost of dinner. I had a 21 year old pretty thing that I took out for drinks, dinner, and I bought her a $50 necklace she liked off some street cart, and she fucked my brains out for the next 3 weeks or so for nothing more than dinner and a hotel room. Those aren't common, but it's not impossible.

Now, wannabe Instamodels have an inflated sense of self, otherwise they wouldn't be "wannabes". I tend to avoid those girls, and once you've seen enough of them you start to be able to tell at a glance which girls are a waste of time. I did score an actual model last year for 300 PPM and she hosted, and she became my regular for damn near a year (and still would be if her work schedule hadn't fucked that up for me). I also had a former model and current grad student who was half Latina for the past several months until she went back home during the summer break, and she was 250 PPM plus hotel. Top 1-2 best sex I've ever had (and I've been with hundreds if we count escorts). These girls aren't the easiest to find, but they aren't that hard either. But you MUST be willing to negotiate, and walk away from any GPS. Every GPS you walk away from puts you 1 step closer to a hottie who isn't GPS.

The few times I have gone over 300? Almost always disappointing rush jobs, pillow princesses and dead fish.

Last but not least, don't listen to any of the girls on the subreddits. Remember, if a girl is posting on those sub reddits, she's almost always high volume / semi-pro / escort-with-more-steps. Which is fine, but that's not what I'm looking for in an SB. They may call sub 500 guys "Johns" or "splenda daddys", but you know what I call 350+ girls? Escorts.
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My general sugaring tips:
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A post with a links to several specific advice posts:
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[QUOTE=Modukolo123;7335361]Hey everyone,

I'm still relatively new to the sugar lifestyle, but I wanted to get a sense of how others here view the current PPM landscape, particularly when it comes to what different types of SBs typically expect or accept.

From my limited experience so far, I've noticed a pattern, primarily ATL: most women who are willing to settle for $300 PPM or less tend to fall into a few categories high-volume daters, single moms in their 30's and above, or younger women who may not be conventionally attractive or seem mainly focused on quick cash with little attention to the overall experience or connection.

On the flip side, the more stunning or "Instagram-model type" girls I've interacted with tend to scoff at anything under $450- $500 PPM, with many asking for significantly more, and some not even entertaining PPM at all, preferring allowances or arrangement-based support.

I understand everyone's experience can vary a lot depending on expectations and the dynamics of the relationship, so I'm curious:

What's your experience been like in terms of the typical PPM rates vs. The quality and type of SB you've encountered?

Do you find the same correlation, or is it different for you?

Some sub-reddits call SDs offering anything less than 500 JOHN.

Looking forward to hearing your insights.[/QUOTE]Much like GFG97, I find that 300 is the sweet spot for reliable, 7-8 rating SB's in the Atl area, more money does not translate into a better time or more fun and often times it's actually stricter or more restrictive. Also, as he mentioned a girl may quote a decently in shape, somewhat handsome guy 300, while the guy who is 50+ lbs overweight might get quoted 400+. A. k. A. "fat tax". I've had a solid long term SB for the past 7. 5 years, she hasn't had a profile on there for at least 6 years maybe longer. She gets 200 every time she drains my balls, will do pretty much anything including greek we started out at 300 and she suggested we drop it and see each other more often. Her schedule has tightened up and it's harder to see her so I'm on the hunt for a full time replacement or 3. I've actually seen one SMOKING HOT Colombian girl 25 yrs old and absolutely the hottest girl I've seen, she would not negotiate below 600 for the first meet, but she started at 800. I told her if I do 600 once, it'll be 1 and done and no time limits. I'm seeing her again Monday morning at 400 after I daty'd her to 4 leg shaking O's she told me we could do less every time. Another solid 8. 5 blond 32 yr old had started at 500 and I've seen her 5 times now at 300. Saw her this morning and left a full load in her to take my kids on a trip to Ft Lauderdale for the weekend LOL. So treating them like a escort is NOT the way to "get a deal" but you do have to pay them some compliments and remember they like getting their nut too.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7336911]I made a long post a year or 2 back where I analyzed cost vs fun over a month. I generally only get a sub for a month and can usually find someone to meet me needs in a few days to a week, but I decided that month to see just how much action I could get. I'll link the original post at the bottom but the tl;dr is: more expensive girls were generally worse experiences than cheaper ones. I always regretted paying more, and never regretted paying less.

Ultimately what you pay is based on how you act. If you treat seeking like it's a paid escort ad service, and only send a few texts back and forth before saying "how much?" you're only going to hear from the semi-pros and almost escorts. And those prices will be in 500+ range since that's how much they charge on escort sites or when they used to work at an agency etc. If you want good looking mid 20's girls for a reasonable sub-300 PPM, then you HAVE to treat this site like a dating site and those girls like potential GFs. Not escorts, but honest to god gfs. You may be thinking "well hell the reason I pay them is to avoid needing to do that" and that's a fair opinion, and I'd encourage anyone who thinks so to stick with escorts. If you want minimum effort and a guaranteed return then find an escort in your budget and enjoy.[/QUOTE]This is very useful, thanks.

You have to sift thru a lot of trash to get the real sugar baby types. Most of the girls on these sites are working girls or scammer content seller types. They are the ones who after a few messages start throwing around terms like "PPM" , "cashapp" etc. Also the working girls are often trafficked; you are often talking to a pimp or worse, someone trying to set you up to be robbed. Just use common sense. Also meet in a public place first. If anything is sketchy , move on to another POT.

The real SB types require a little finessing, but don't over do it b / c the conversation will die otherwise.

This is a huge numbers game. On avg maybe 1 out of 20 phones numbers I get turn into an actual meet and greet. Then you have to do some price negotiating in person. I won't go over $300 on principle for the reasons listed by the other posters.

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;7337854]Much like GFG97, I find that 300 is the sweet spot for reliable, 7-8 rating SB's in the Atl area, more money does not translate into a better time or more fun and often times it's actually stricter or more restrictive. Also, as he mentioned a girl may quote a decently in shape, somewhat handsome guy 300, while the guy who is 50+ lbs overweight might get quoted 400+. A. k. A. "fat tax". I've had a solid long term SB for the past 7. 5 years, she hasn't had a profile on there for at least 6 years maybe longer. She gets 200 every time she drains my balls, will do pretty much anything including greek we started out at 300 and she suggested we drop it and see each other more often. Her schedule has tightened up and it's harder to see her so I'm on the hunt for a full time replacement or 3. I've actually seen one SMOKING HOT Colombian girl 25 yrs old and absolutely the hottest girl I've seen, she would not negotiate below 600 for the first meet, but she started at 800. I told her if I do 600 once, it'll be 1 and done and no time limits. I'm seeing her again Monday morning at 400 after I daty'd her to 4 leg shaking O's she told me we could do less every time. Another solid 8. 5 blond 32 yr old had started at 500 and I've seen her 5 times now at 300. Saw her this morning and left a full load in her to take my kids on a trip to Ft Lauderdale for the weekend LOL. So treating them like a escort is NOT the way to "get a deal" but you do have to pay them some compliments and remember they like getting their nut too.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CrazyRocket;7333911]
If you have experience with Slavic girls, you know they can drain your balls and wallet proportionately LOL. I was willing to take the risk but well.[/QUOTE]If you think that is bad, try divorcing one!

New SLN Girl Savannah 32.

[URL]https://sugarlifenow.com/profile/Savannah/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChristianTroy;7330045]She says she's pretty new to the sugar scene and I actually believe her. Didn't know what ppm stood for (she was fine with 250 but I ended up giving her 300 since she did every dirty thing I wanted). I usually like them a little younger and thinner and won't repeat because of that preference, but she was definitely a fun time.[/QUOTE]Fellas, This right here IS THE PROBLEM.

This is why GPS HAPPENS!

You have a girl who is new and like most girls who are their prices are low.

What do most guys do, they EGO and try to "save / impress her" and give her more than what she's fine with.

What ends up happening is: She wants 250, you give her 100 more. Now she's thinking wait a minute for my next arrangement I can actually get 350.

So the next guy is now paying Troy's Tax that he imposed. That next guy then goes you did such a good job, here's 100 more.

Now she's thinking, wow I can get 450. Now the guys after that are paying the next guy's TAX.

Before you know it, in 3-6 months she is now asking for 600,800, 1000!

What you guys don't understand is, WE ARE THE STOCK MARKET.

We determine THE PRICES. We determine weather it goes up or down.

Guys come in here and whine yet THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE for this.

And this example is exactly how it happens.

I used to burst in fresh 18 year old white goddess perfect body for 150-200 back in 2019/2020 on the regular.

I mean from first message to deep in the guts in 1 hour.

Now you people have made it impossible.

If every single man decided NO MORE max offer 100. These girl would be forced to take that.

Remember these girls don't know the value of money. When they start out to them 100 is big.

It is US GUYS who give these girls GPS. We are the problem.

Also I moved to ATL last year and its way worse than other states.

But I found a young hot & slim 8. 5 with a perfect ass. Ass is too perfect, chef kiss.

We agreed on 300 for 3-4 hours. My schedule was busy so I couldn't partake in the game for acouple months.

Now I work from home and my schedule cleared. I hit her up again and now she laughed at 300.

I screenshot her showing she agreed months ago and then she said she only starts at 600.

So in 3 months after joining the site, you Guys priced her up to 600.

I bet you if I check back in 3 more months she will be asking for 1000.

Un-fucking believable.