Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5131847]To put it mildly, the U.S. Government fucked up its response to the COVID-19 pandemic. This administration from day one was at war with the science. Let's look at how South Korea has handled the COVID pandemic. It's hard not to be impressed by the way the South Korean government and people confronted a choice the citizens of Western countries were frequently told was unavoidable between economy-shattering lockdowns and appalling viral casualties they resolved to accept neither option. South Korea instead deployed mandatory masking, strict social distancing measures, VIGOROUS testing / contact tracing protocols, all in the service of a simple goal: to keep society functioning. And for the most part, it has worked. South Korea, so far has had 500 deaths from COVID-19 and the country's economy continues to grow.

Note: Both South Korea and the U.S. announced their first index case of COVID infection on the same day. Almost 9 months later South Korea has had 500 deaths from COVID-19 compared to 330,000 dead from COVID-19 in the U.S.

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-south-korea-covid-strategy/[/URL][/QUOTE]I can't stand Trump either but the entire point is people like you are blowing up the 300,000 number when in fact 280,000 of the 300,000 were elderly, very sick, and going to die with or without covid. Stop destroying the world's economy because you don't like Trump.

A2.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5131809]Did you even read your own source? It is clearly labeled "1999-2019. " If you want to make a statistical argument about Covid, at least use 2020 data, you know, the year that Covid actually appeared.[/QUOTE]You said:

[QUOTE]There are other sources that verify these numbers, but I could find NONE that show a steady death rate of 2. 85 million in each and every one of the last four years.[/QUOTE]When I said "the same number of people are dying in 2020 as died in the last 3 years," You said you could find no source to show a steady death rate of 2. 85 million so I gave you one that is unassailable.

Now is when you say, "oh, ok, I was wrong. ".

There's no shame in learning something new. You thought something was this, it turned out to be that, now start dealing with the world as it is, not as you thought it was. Covid isn't nothing, but it didn't kill 300,000 extra people, it killed around 20,000 extra people (hence the 94% had an average of 2. 9 of the following illnesses or conditions which I'm sure everybody is tired of seeing) so now you can stop saying that it alone killed 300,000 people because you know better.

Again, there's no shame in having thought one thing, learning something new, then understanding that you had made a mistake and now know better.

A2.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5131992]I can't stand Trump either but the entire point is people like you are blowing up the 300,000 number when in fact 280,000 of the 300,000 were elderly, very sick, and going to die with or without covid. Stop destroying the world's economy because you don't like Trump.

A2.[/QUOTE]Did you even read what I posted? On a comparative basis, South Korea, China, New Zealand and Australia to a lesser extent allowed the "science" to dictate their response to the COVID pandemic WITHOUT totally shutting down their economies and they have achieved much better economic/health outcomes than the U.S.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5131690] I don't think the covidiots will be satisfied until they destroy a billion lives.[/QUOTE]Covidiots. Cute. When you have nothing intelligent to say, channel your inner Trump.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5131992]I can't stand Trump either but the entire point is people like you are blowing up the 300,000 number when in fact 280,000 of the 300,000 were elderly, very sick, and going to die with or without covid. Stop destroying the world's economy because you don't like Trump.

A2.[/QUOTE]A2, I don't know why you even try to reason with blind stupid fools like Sgt. George and Bullet. They would destroy the entire planet just to attempt to prove their stupid, incorrect talking points, something that they are well on their way to accomplishing. I respect your attempt but it is useless with these brain-dead anarchists. To both of them: You "defeated" the big bad orange man. Now the true hell is about to begin. You started it. [blue][Deleted by Admin]

I appreciate the sentiment but I said a long time ago, there will be no threats tolerated on this forum as a result of the election.

To be clear, you and yours will not be "finishing" anything. The elections were certified by 50 different state governments, controlled by a mix of both red and blue parties, the Supreme Court with a 6-3 conservative majority declined to hear the "cases" brought before it to "prove" election fraud. On Jan 20th a new president will be sworn in and the Donald Trump will go back to being a private citizen again.

You can take solace in knowing that he will launch both his media company and his reelection campaign while Biden is being sworn in and for the next four years you can post nasty shit about Biden.

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=Admin2;5132010]You said:

When I said "the same number of people are dying in 2020 as died in the last 3 years," You said you could find no source to show a steady death rate of 2. 85 million so I gave you one that is unassailable.

Now is when you say, "oh, ok, I was wrong. ".

There's no shame in learning something new. You thought something was this, it turned out to be that, now start dealing with the world as it is, not as you thought it was. Covid isn't nothing, but it didn't kill 300,000 extra people, it killed around 20,000 extra people (hence the 94% had an average of 2. 9 of the following illnesses or conditions which I'm sure everybody is tired of seeing) so now you can stop saying that it alone killed 300,000 people because you know better.

Again, there's no shame in having thought one thing, learning something new, then understanding that you had made a mistake and now know better.

A2.[/QUOTE]Let me know if you learned something.

[URL]https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/20/cdc-data-excess-deaths-covid-19/[/URL]

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5132596]Let me know if you learned something.

[URL]https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/20/cdc-data-excess-deaths-covid-19/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you; I'm so sick of the Covidiots with their "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up" attitude.

Though I am surprised A2 took the time away from his usual admonishments on how we should think about those in the adult industry (except him, of course).

[QUOTE=Admin2;5131992]I can't stand Trump either but the entire point is people like you are blowing up the 300,000 number when in fact 280,000 of the 300,000 were elderly, very sick, and going to die with or without covid. Stop destroying the world's economy because you don't like Trump.

A2.[/QUOTE]Your statement "in fact 280,000 of the 300,000 were elderly, very sick, and going to die with or without covid" is absolutely wrong. I hardly come to your fucking site anymore, too many fucking racist pigs and ignorant trolling this place.

I have very close family person died of covid, just 48 years and very active and physically fit. The other 4 members of the same family have almost no symptoms this person was gone in 3 days. My next door 56 years old neighbor was in ICU for one weeks. It is true that majority on the casualty of covid had exiting problems but lot of young people died too. You will see lot of young people on this list if you go through data. I guess you don't have time to look through any site since you have to manage this site.

You can ban me for life and ask me if I give a shit.

The article shows that that the 300,000 excess deaths are most likely NOT due to COVID.

Take note of the last paragraph in the article: "There were also differences among different age groups, with the largest increase occurring among people age 25 to 44, who saw excess deaths that were 26.5% higher than average. People 45 to 64 had 14.4% more deaths, while those 65 to 74 had 24.1% more deaths. Deaths among people 75 to 84 were 21.5% higher and 14.7% higher for people 85 and above".

Now take a look at this chart of distribution of COVID deaths by age:

[URL]https://cdn.aarp.net/content/dam/aarp/health/conditions_treatments/2020/10/1140-covid-cases-deaths-by-age.imgcache.rev.web.900.518.jpg[/URL]

Those distributions DO NOT MATCH.

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5132596]Let me know if you learned something.

[URL]https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/20/cdc-data-excess-deaths-covid-19/[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AllTheTime;5132639]Thank you; I'm so sick of the Covidiots with their "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up" attitude.

Though I am surprised A2 took the time away from his usual admonishments on how we should think about those in the adult industry (except him, of course).[/QUOTE]A2 took the time because he is right. Some of you would do well to consider his facts rather than the lies that Fauci, the media, CDC, and the WHO spoon feed to you every day. But of course, you won't. Your mind has been made up a long time ago. We changed our minds some months ago as the real facts and the real truths came out. You and others refuse to see them yet you admonish us for our made up minds? Such Pharisees. Live blind and stay proudly ignorant.

[URL]https://townhall.com/columnists/scottmorefield/2020/12/21/new-study-shows-mask-mandates-had-zero-effect-in-florida-or-nationwide-but-the-l-n2581879[/URL]

[QUOTE=ST0808;5132669]Your statement "in fact 280,000 of the 300,000 were elderly, very sick, and going to die with or without covid" is absolutely wrong. I hardly come to your fucking site anymore, too many fucking racist pigs and ignorant trolling this place.

I have very close family person died of covid, just 48 years and very active and physically fit. The other 4 members of the same family have almost no symptoms this person was gone in 3 days. My next door 56 years old neighbor was in ICU for one weeks. It is true that majority on the casualty of covid had exiting problems but lot of young people died too. You will see lot of young people on this list if you go through data. I guess you don't have time to look through any site since you have to manage this site.

You can ban me for life and ask me if I give a shit.[/QUOTE]It's not my statement, its directly from the CDC's web site, [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm[/URL] since I know you won't look I'll post the numbers here, I have spent a lot of time looking at their data.

Total deaths with Covid as of today, 291,757.

Under 1 year 31.

1-4 years 18.

5-14 years 50.

15-24 years 468.

25-34 years 2,041.

35-44 years 5,298.

45-54 years 14,124 total under age 55: 22,030 which is 7.55%.

I know 14,124 seems like a lot but when compared to the total number of people of these ages who have died it's not really. 205,203 people have died between the ages of 0 and 54 in the US so far this year. 14,124 died with covid and remember 94% of those 14,124 had an average of 2. 9 life threatening illnesses as well so of the 205,203 who died of all causes only 850 died with covid as the primary cause. I understand that these are all tragedy's to the people who loved them but not a lot of young people are dying of covid when looked at in the context of the entire population.

55-64 years 34,966.

65-74 years 62,280.

75-84 years 79,724.

Over 85 92,757 Total over age 55: 269,727 which is 92.45%.

Also from the same site "For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2. 9 additional conditions or causes per death. ".

92.45% of the people who have died with covid were over the age of 55 and 94% of them had an average of 2. 9 life threatening diseases so I believe the conclusion that the vast majority were elderly and very sick is true.

Again, I'm sorry for your loss and perhaps your thoughts on covid are seen through that lens. Best of thoughts to you and your family during what must be a difficult holiday season.

A2.

P.S. I wouldn't ban you for disagreeing with me on a fight thread.

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5132596]Let me know if you learned something.

[URL]https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/20/cdc-data-excess-deaths-covid-19/[/URL][/QUOTE]I didn't because I have seen that before and I still have the same question.

If the mortality rate for the US over the last ten years has been 867.8 per 100,000 people [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm[/URL] which works out to 2,863,740 dead people for 2020.

When the average mortality rate plus 300,000 excess deaths would mean 3,163,740 yet only a total of 2,851,438 have died as of December 27th perhaps you could explain to me what I'm supposed to learn from that article.

I know the article you posted said that there were 300,000 excess deaths, and I know that article quoted an article from somebody at the CDC saying that there were 300,000 excess deaths can explain why there are not 300,000 excess deaths in the CDC's running count? It's really kind of at the center of what I don't understand and it really bugs me. No shit Stud if you could explain that to me I'd stop posting this shit. I was talking to a real live epidemiologist about it once and all he told me was that I lacked the training to understand the "epidemiological glue" (I'm not making that up) that held these numbers together. I freely admit that I do not have the training to put these kinds of graphs together but I did pass elementary school so I can add and subtract and I asked him again to explain, in the most rudimentary manner possible and he said "less traffic accidents" so I looked, according to the agency that watches them traffic fatalities are down 3% which is great but only 38,000 people die a year in accidents so that's only 1000 people. When I said that to him he sort of lost it and told me that I lacked the training to even ask the question.

When you tell me that 300,000 more people died yet the projected number at the beginning of the year is exactly what has died at the end I have to ask where the extra 300,000 are? Can you tell me? If you can't, perhaps you can tell me if you learned anything from learning that there appears to be a pretty big discrepancy.

[QUOTE=MTWilliams911;5133039]Masks exposed as a joke. [URL]https://townhall.com/columnists/scottmorefield/2020/12/21/new-study-shows-mask-mandates-had-zero-effect-in-florida-or-nationwide-but-the-l-n2581879[/URL][/QUOTE]Here’s a thought, the next time you're in surgery, please ask your operating Surgeon, Consulting Doctor, Surgery room Nurse and Anesthetist NOT to wear medical masks or medical gloves. Also, while you're at it, insist they use unsterilized instruments. Your after surgery health outcome should be very interesting. Wear a damn mask!

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5133232]Heres a thought, the next time you're in surgery, please ask your operating Surgeon, Consulting Doctor, Surgery room Nurse and Anesthetist NOT to wear medical masks or medical gloves. Also, while you're at it, insist they use unsterilized instruments. Your after surgery health outcome should be very interesting. Wear a damn mask![/QUOTE]I do not have to ask a doctor. I am a doctor.

Transmission of bacteria in the OR is a completely different issue than an airborne virus and non-certified cloth masks.

Peer reviewed publications show commonly used cloth masks only stop a tiny percentage of airborne viruses.

We should probably throw some virgins in a volcano to stop the spread. Probably as effective as the hysterical "shut down everything" and "wear masks" superstitious crowd.

Florida is largely open. California largely closed. Difference in spread rate is statistically not different.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5133103]I didn't because I have seen that before and I still have the same question.

If the mortality rate for the US over the last ten years has been 867.8 per 100,000 people [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm[/URL] which works out to 2,863,740 dead people for 2020.

When the average mortality rate plus 300,000 excess deaths would mean 3,163,740 yet only a total of 2,851,438 have died as of December 27th perhaps you could explain to me what I'm supposed to learn from that article.

I know the article you posted said that there were 300,000 excess deaths, and I know that article quoted an article from somebody at the CDC saying that there were 300,000 excess deaths can explain why there are not 300,000 excess deaths in the CDC's running count? It's really kind of at the center of what I don't understand and it really bugs me. No shit Stud if you could explain that to me I'd stop posting this shit. I was talking to a real live epidemiologist about it once and all he told me was that I lacked the training to understand the "epidemiological glue" (I'm not making that up) that held these numbers together. I freely admit that I do not have the training to put these kinds of graphs together but I did pass elementary school so I can add and subtract and I asked him again to explain, in the most rudimentary manner possible and he said "less traffic accidents" so I looked, according to the agency that watches them traffic fatalities are down 3% which is great but only 38,000 people die a year in accidents so that's only 1000 people. When I said that to him he sort of lost it and told me that I lacked the training to even ask the question.

When you tell me that 300,000 more people died yet the projected number at the beginning of the year is exactly what has died at the end I have to ask where the extra 300,000 are? Can you tell me? If you can't, perhaps you can tell me if you learned anything from learning that there appears to be a pretty big discrepancy.[/QUOTE]Where are you getting your 2,851,438 figure?

[QUOTE=Admin2;5133103]I didn't because I have seen that before and I still have the same question.

If the mortality rate for the US over the last ten years has been 867.8 per 100,000 people [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm[/URL] which works out to 2,863,740 dead people for 2020.

When the average mortality rate plus 300,000 excess deaths would mean 3,163,740 yet only a total of 2,851,438 have died as of December 27th perhaps you could explain to me what I'm supposed to learn from that article.

I know the article you posted said that there were 300,000 excess deaths, and I know that article quoted an article from somebody at the CDC saying that there were 300,000 excess deaths can explain why there are not 300,000 excess deaths in the CDC's running count? It's really kind of at the center of what I don't understand and it really bugs me. No shit Stud if you could explain that to me I'd stop posting this shit. I was talking to a real live epidemiologist about it once and all he told me was that I lacked the training to understand the "epidemiological glue" (I'm not making that up) that held these numbers together. I freely admit that I do not have the training to put these kinds of graphs together but I did pass elementary school so I can add and subtract and I asked him again to explain, in the most rudimentary manner possible and he said "less traffic accidents" so I looked, according to the agency that watches them traffic fatalities are down 3% which is great but only 38,000 people die a year in accidents so that's only 1000 people. When I said that to him he sort of lost it and told me that I lacked the training to even ask the question.

When you tell me that 300,000 more people died yet the projected number at the beginning of the year is exactly what has died at the end I have to ask where the extra 300,000 are? Can you tell me? If you can't, perhaps you can tell me if you learned anything from learning that there appears to be a pretty big discrepancy.[/QUOTE]You can go to this CDC website and download the spreadsheet for deaths by week / cause / state / USA and total up all the deaths for 2019 and through 12/12/20.

[URL]https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-Select-Causes/muzy-jte6/data[/URL]

I'll summarize it for you. Totals for USA in 2019 was 2,852,609. Through 12/12/2020 totals are 3,073,009. Deaths for the first two weeks of December were 99,645. See if you can use that elementary education to extrapolate what the total deaths will be through the end of 2020. Then use that fancy subtraction thing to get the difference.

Did you learn anything?

[QUOTE=MTWilliams911;5133384]I do not have to ask a doctor. I am a doctor.

Transmission of bacteria in the OR is a completely different issue than an airborne virus and non-certified cloth masks.

Peer reviewed publications show commonly used cloth masks only stop a tiny percentage of airborne viruses.

We should probably throw some virgins in a volcano to stop the spread. Probably as effective as the hysterical "shut down everything" and "wear masks" superstitious crowd.

Florida is largely open. California largely closed. Difference in spread rate is statistically not different.[/QUOTE]Let me guess, you are either a Chiropractor or a Proctologist? Hmmm, you use Florida as an example, Florida Governor DeSantis has purposely suppressed numbers of COVID cases and deaths in his state.

[B]Secrecy and spin: How Floridas governor misled the public on the COVID-19 pandemic[/B]

[I]Throughout the COVID-19 crisis in Florida, Gov. Ron DeSantis administration engaged in a pattern of spin and concealment that misled the public on the gravest health threat the state has ever faced, a South Florida Sun Sentinel investigation has found.

DeSantis, who owes his job to early support from President Donald Trump, imposed an approach in line with the views of the president and his powerful base of supporters. The administration suppressed unfavorable facts, dispensed dangerous misinformation, dismissed public health professionals, and promoted the views of scientific dissenters who supported the governors approach to the disease.[/I]

[URL]https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronavirus-florida-desantis-spin-ss-prem-20201203-tyjmgkos6bd7vo7vnripqliany-htmlstory.html[/URL]

Theres more, Florida Governor DeSantis, sent his goons to the home of a former Florida department of Health employee for refusing to manipulate State COVID data.

[I]Florida State police brandishing firearms Monday raided the Tallahassee home of Rebekah Jones, the former Department of Health employee*who built the state's much-praised COVID-19 dashboard before being fired over what she said was refusing to "manipulate data."

"They pointed a gun in my face. They pointed*guns at my kids," Jones tweeted shortly before*5 p.m.*

Jones who launched her own COVID-19 dashboard after she was fired, and used crowdsourcing to raise money to support it said the agents knocked on her door*around 8:30 a.m. that*morning, took all her "hardware and tech" after showing her a warrant based on a complaint filed by*the Florida Department of Health.*[/I]

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/12/11/rebekah-jones-fired-florida-covid-19-data-chief-speaks-out-after-raid/3893165001/[/URL]

The COVID virus is so tiny it passes right through all but truly medical masks but that is as un-politically correct as when I was in command in the Army in the mid-90's I opposed the community health nurse just telling my soldiers to use a condom when the HIV virus passed through over 90% of the cheap brands of condoms. Remember the HIV pandemic of the early 80's? It was running most rampant among the gay community and drug users but they would not be honest because it was discriminating against the gays.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5133531]Let me guess, you are either a chiropractor or a proctologist? Hmmm, you use Florida as an example, Florida Governor DeSantis has purposely suppressed numbers of COVID cases and deaths in his state.

Secrecy and spin: How Floridas governor misled the public on the COVID-19 pandemic

[I]Throughout the COVID-19 crisis in Florida, Gov. Ron DeSantis administration engaged in a pattern of spin and concealment that misled the public on the gravest health threat the state has ever faced, a South Florida Sun Sentinel investigation has found.

DeSantis, who owes his job to early support from President Donald Trump, imposed an approach in line with the views of the president and his powerful base of supporters. The administration suppressed unfavorable facts, dispensed dangerous misinformation, dismissed public health professionals, and promoted the views of scientific dissenters who supported the governors approach to the disease.[/I]

[URL]https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronavirus-florida-desantis-spin-ss-prem-20201203-tyjmgkos6bd7vo7vnripqliany-htmlstory.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5133546]The COVID virus is so tiny it passes right through all but truly medical masks but that is as un-politically correct as when I was in command in the Army in the mid-90's I opposed the community health nurse just telling my soldiers to use a condom when the HIV virus passed through over 90% of the cheap brands of condoms. Remember the HIV pandemic of the early 80's? It was running most rampant among the gay community and drug users but they would not be honest because it was discriminating against the gays.[/QUOTE]I will take the advice of the Public Health professionals.

[I]CDC recommends that people wear masks in public settings, like on public and mass transportation, at events and gatherings, and anywhere they will be around other people.[/I]
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/about-face-coverings.html[/URL]

[I]World Health Organization WHO recommends Masks should be used as part of a comprehensive strategy of measures to suppress transmission and save lives; the use of a mask alone is not sufficient to provide an adequate level of protection against COVID-19.[/I]
[URL]https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks.[/URL]

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5133546]The COVID virus is so tiny it passes right through all but truly medical masks but that is as un-politically correct as when I was in command in the Army in the mid-90's I opposed the community health nurse just telling my soldiers to use a condom when the HIV virus passed through over 90% of the cheap brands of condoms. Remember the HIV pandemic of the early 80's? It was running most rampant among the gay community and drug users but they would not be honest because it was discriminating against the gays.[/QUOTE]This debate will never end. Who cares if someone claims to be a doctor. Having worked with doctors for many, many years I've learned that having an MD behind a name doesn't make someone the smartest person in the world. Doctors have differing opinions ALL of the time, and can and will interpret data differently ALL of the time. Look at Fauci versus Scott Atlas. Malpractice cases involve doctors questioning others doctors regarding why they prescribed a certain treatment or procedure that caused harm. And numbers can be manipulate to prove anyone's point of view.

Has anyone been inside of a COVID ward? Some of us would definitely change their mind if you had the chance to see what is taking place. We all really need to start reviewing data from all sources and not from just a conservative or liberal publication. I have many friends who have had COVID. Here's the thing: Their symptoms ranged from asymptomatic to death. The 300,000+ deaths are the documented cases. How many deaths are undocumented COVID-related deaths that could possibly increase that number? One of the biggest issues is asymptomatic spreading, which undermines the mask debate. If COVID had visual indicators regardless of severity, like the chicken pox or leprosy, I can almost guarantee that most of us would stay away from that person or choose a mask.

It IS true that majority of us will not die from COVID, but I'm not a fan of the Russian Roulette characteristics of this disease. Out of the 35+ people diagnosed associated with the White House, only Herman Cain passed? What is true is that there are some post-COVID morbidities that can last for who knows how long. One of the neurologist at a Georgia medical college is collecting the morbidity data from documented case. Her warning to me was, You do NOT want to catch THIS disease. I have one friend who STILL hasn't been able to smell since March.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5133587]I will take the advice of the Public Health professionals.

[I]CDC recommends that people wear masks in public settings, like on public and mass transportation, at events and gatherings, and anywhere they will be around other people.[/I]
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/about-face-coverings.html[/URL]

[I]World Health Organization WHO recommends Masks should be used as part of a comprehensive strategy of measures to suppress transmission and save lives; the use of a mask alone is not sufficient to provide an adequate level of protection against COVID-19.[/I]
[URL]https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks.[/URL][/QUOTE]Most of us on this site are are part time Gynecologists are we not.

[QUOTE=ComTech42;5133811]Most of us on this site are are part time Gynecologists are we not.[/QUOTE]I've personally been a freelance gynecologist for over 40 years. Some on this thread who suggest to have medical knowledge are, at best, a veterinarian or Ph. D. As for medical expertise? Quite laughable. This here thread has become a comedy skit as of late.

[QUOTE=ComTech42;5133811]Most of us on this site are are part time Gynecologists are we not.[/QUOTE]True dat!....lol

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5133473]You can go to this CDC website and download the spreadsheet for deaths by week / cause / state / USA and total up all the deaths for 2019 and through 12/12/20.

[URL]https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-Select-Causes/muzy-jte6/data[/URL]

I'll summarize it for you. Totals for USA in 2019 was 2,852,609. Through 12/12/2020 totals are 3,073,009. Deaths for the first two weeks of December were 99,645. See if you can use that elementary education to extrapolate what the total deaths will be through the end of 2020. Then use that fancy subtraction thing to get the difference.

Did you learn anything?[/QUOTE]It's right here, on one page, clear as a bell, not 10,000 pages with 40 lines just for Alabama. Its not 3,073,069 it's 2,851,438 well not actually, it's going to be more because the count lags but unless 300,000 people die this week it's going to be 2. 85 million and change, same as last year, same as 2018, same as 2017, same as 2016.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm[/URL]

I know you didn't learn anything because you just keep refusing to look at the chart and keep saying the same wrong shit over and over. I understand, you picked the incorrect narrative and you're having a hard time admitting it. But the numbers are what they are, there are no extra deaths end of story.

I'm sure as a doctor, you appreciate the difference between "airborne" viruses versus those transmitted in liquid particles. As part of your medical training in virology, you'll also remember the difference in size of viral particles versus those of liquid particles and therefore the transmission through masks. Or not as the case may be.

[QUOTE=MTWilliams911;5133384]I do not have to ask a doctor. I am a doctor.

Transmission of bacteria in the OR is a completely different issue than an airborne virus and non-certified cloth masks.

Peer reviewed publications show commonly used cloth masks only stop a tiny percentage of airborne viruses.

We should probably throw some virgins in a volcano to stop the spread. Probably as effective as the hysterical "shut down everything" and "wear masks" superstitious crowd.

Florida is largely open. California largely closed. Difference in spread rate is statistically not different.[/QUOTE]

The viral "particles" are in fact orders of magnitude smaller than the gaps in the fabric of masks. However, CV19 isn't airborne. It doesn't just float about the place. It is transmitted attached to liquid droplets from coughing, sneezing or simply breathing moist air. The liquid droplets are much larger and typically are constrained from passing through masks. In or out. To a large extent.

Science experiment. Put a mask on and try to spit on someone six feet away.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5133546]The COVID virus is so tiny it passes right through all but truly medical masks but that is as un-politically correct as when I was in command in the Army in the mid-90's I opposed the community health nurse just telling my soldiers to use a condom when the HIV virus passed through over 90% of the cheap brands of condoms. Remember the HIV pandemic of the early 80's? It was running most rampant among the gay community and drug users but they would not be honest because it was discriminating against the gays.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xxxx9998;5134666]The viral "particles" are in fact orders of magnitude smaller than the gaps in the fabric of masks. However, CV19 isn't airborne. It doesn't just float about the place. It is transmitted attached to liquid droplets from coughing, sneezing or simply breathing moist air. The liquid droplets are much larger and typically are constrained from passing through masks. In or out. To a large extent.

Science experiment. Put a mask on and try to spit on someone six feet away.[/QUOTE]Tell it to the very people who wore the masks religiously and still contracted COVID.

[QUOTE=GameCockToo;5133672]This debate will never end. Who cares if someone claims to be a doctor. Having worked with doctors for many, many years I've learned that having an MD behind a name doesn't make someone the smartest person in the world. Doctors have differing opinions ALL of the time, and can and will interpret data differently ALL of the time. Look at Fauci versus Scott Atlas. Malpractice cases involve doctors questioning others doctors regarding why they prescribed a certain treatment or procedure that caused harm. And numbers can be manipulate to prove anyone's point of view.

Has anyone been inside of a COVID ward? Some of us would definitely change their mind if you had the chance to see what is taking place. We all really need to start reviewing data from all sources and not from just a conservative or liberal publication. I have many friends who have had COVID. Here's the thing: Their symptoms ranged from asymptomatic to death. The 300,000+ deaths are the documented cases. How many deaths are undocumented COVID-related deaths that could possibly increase that number? One of the biggest issues is asymptomatic spreading, which undermines the mask debate. If COVID had visual indicators regardless of severity, like the chicken pox or leprosy, I can almost guarantee that most of us would stay away from that person or choose a mask.

It IS true that majority of us will not die from COVID, but I'm not a fan of the Russian Roulette characteristics of this disease. Out of the 35+ people diagnosed associated with the White House, only Herman Cain passed? What is true is that there are some post-COVID morbidities that can last for who knows how long. One of the neurologist at a Georgia medical college is collecting the morbidity data from documented case. Her warning to me was, You do NOT want to catch THIS disease. I have one friend who STILL hasn't been able to smell since March.[/QUOTE]A death and another had their foot amputated after being in an induced coma. Don't forget they got top flight cutting edge medicine that we can't get. All while telling people that nothings wrong. A better question for the message board doctors would be, why are the same politicians that are telling the public to not be scared and there's nothing to worry about rushing to the front of the vaccine line. Most of them are younger than our most fervent anti maskers here as well.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5134349]It's right here, on one page, clear as a bell, not 10,000 pages with 40 lines just for Alabama. Its not 3,073,069 it's 2,851,438 well not actually, it's going to be more because the count lags but unless 300,000 people die this week it's going to be 2. 85 million and change, same as last year, same as 2018, same as 2017, same as 2016.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm[/URL]

I know you didn't learn anything because you just keep refusing to look at the chart and keep saying the same wrong shit over and over. I understand, you picked the incorrect narrative and you're having a hard time admitting it. But the numbers are what they are, there are no extra deaths end of story.[/QUOTE]You're thumbnail doesn't have the title of the table. Take a look again. It says from 2/1/2020. It's missing data from January.

Talk about someone that wants to stay in their narrative and not learn something!

[QUOTE=ComTech42;5133811]Most of us on this site are are part time Gynecologists are we not[/QUOTE]Caught me off guard during this on going argument. Thanks for the laugh.

Would be delighted to tell them that. Care to provide any names or data to back up your comment?

This is akin to saying. I got an STD even though I religiously wear a rubber.

Except that one time. At the gangbang. Apart from that. Religiously.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5134741]Tell it to the very people who wore the masks religiously and still contracted COVID.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5134741]Tell it to the very people who wore the masks religiously and still contracted COVID.[/QUOTE]No-one ever claimed that masks are perfect at stopping the transmission of the virus, but they are FAR, FAR superior than not wearing one at all in preventing its spread. They would be even better if a greater percentage of the population wore them. And they must be worn correctly. Those who have them over their mouths with their noses exposed do not count as mask-wearers.

Its a pain in the ass to wear one, but a small price to pay to minimize the spread of the virus until enough people are vaccinated to to get this thing under control.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5134741]Tell it to the very people who wore the masks religiously and still contracted COVID.[/QUOTE] Many who refused to a wear a mask and contracted COVID regretted their decision. Here’s a snippet of people posting their regrets.

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[B]Mike Pence Regrets Not Wearing Face Mask to Mayo Clinic: 'I Should Have'[/B] - Newsweek
May 3, 2020 While Pence admitted regret, he also defended his decision to not wear a mask, saying that he knew he didn't have coronavirus at the time.

[B]COVID-Positive Doc: 'I Didn't Wear a Mask and I Regret It' [/B]| MedPage Today
Jul 23, 2020 They said they also suspect their 2-year-old daughter has the virus based on symptoms. "We did not mask while visiting with family because we let our guard down and thought we were safe......

[B]Man who went to party warned people not to be an 'idiot like me' a day before dying of covid-19.[/B] Jul 2, 2020 He'd gone out to a party where no one wore masks, his niece Danielle Lopez said, only to learn afterward that someone knowingly attended with the novel coronavirus, apparently reasoning*...


[B]ICU Nurse: Many COVID-19 Patients Regret Not Heeding Warnings[/B] : NPR
Nov 12, 2020 What are you seeing when you're walking in to work, right? I mean, are people wearing masks? Do you see social distancing? MOBLEY: Definitely, definitely a lot more need for people to do a lot*...

[B]Texas 24-year-old hospitalized 79 days with coronavirus regrets not wearing mask[/B] | WFLA - WFLA.com
Texas 24-year-old hospitalized 79 days with coronavirus regrets not wearing mask. Coronavirus. by : Nexstar Media Wire and CNN Newsource. Posted: Jul 18, 2020

[B]A Message from Rev. John I. Jenkins, C.S.C.: I regret my error of judgment in not wearing a mask[/B] | Office of the President | University of Notre Dame
A Message from Rev. John I. Jenkins, C.S.C.: I regret my error of judgment in not wearing a mask. Dear Students, Faculty and Staff,. I know many of you have read about the White House ceremony I recently attended.

[B]Chris Christie Reveals Regrets After Battling COVID-19: 'I Was Wrong To Not Wear A Mask' [/B] CBS New York
Oct 15, 2020 I hope that my experience shows my fellow citizens that you should follow CDC guidelines in public no matter where you are and wear a mask to protect yourself and others.

[B]Masks stop coronavirus. Getting AIDS showed me the stupidity of not wearing them.[/B] - NBC News
Jul 25, 2020 Image: A frustrated man wearing a mask watches a jovial couple, with no masks ... I also know the feelings of regret, anger and guilt that come with the decision to value free choice above all*...


[B]Harrison man with COVID-19 regrets not taking coronavirus seriously[/B] - The Post-Crescent
Jul 2, 2020 In that time, Garber has had regrets, asking himself why he didn't heed the advice of public health professionals who recommend wearing a face mask whenever in public, in addition to social*...

[B]Formerly disbelieving, Arizona couple who suffered from COVID-19 expresses regrets[/B] - KOLD.com
Aug 4, 2020 We make any member or customer walking through our doors remove their face mask. That's our pride, gun shop owner Patrick Baughman said. Absolutely. You do not shop in my store with *...

[B]Henderson regrets not wearing mask at protest in Redmond [/B]| Coronavirus | bendbulletin.com
May 1, 2020 Deschutes County Commissioner Phil Henderson regrets not wearing his face mask at last Friday's Town Hall rally in Redmond, where he addressed protesters angry with the governor's stay-at-home*..

[B]Man dies of coronavirus after posting his regrets for not social distancing[/B] - Fox23
Jul 2, 2020 Man dies of coronavirus after posting his regrets for not social distancing ... This is no joke. If you have to go out wear a mask and practice social distancing. Don't be a (expletive) idiot like me.

[B]USFK regrets no-mask dance parties amid Covid-19 resurgence[/B] | MENAFN.COM
Dec 10, 2020 The USFK has been under criticism over the dance party held last week at the American bases, in which participants did not wear masks. Both the US Army Garrison Humphreys and the Osan Air Base are...

[B]Heartbroken Westmore Pastor Regrets Not Encouraging Masks[/B] - ChurchLeaders
Jul 13, 2020 But perhaps when we all wear masks, the vulnerable are less likely to be vulnerable. In a message filled with emotion, the pastor said, The last few weeks have been tough.

[B]Woman who destroyed Target mask display has some regrets[/B] - New York Daily News - NY Daily News
Jul 30, 2020 In the video, which Rein Lively posted to her own social media accounts, the woman pulls down a mask display after being confronted by employees about not wearing one herself and claims*..


[B]US pastor says he regrets not forcing people to wear masks after Covid-19 outbreak at church[/B]- Premier Christian News
Jul 15, 2020 A pastor from the US state of Tennessee has said he regrets not making masks mandatory for congregants after a large-scale outbreak of Covid-19 rocked his church last month,.
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[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5135225]Many who refused to a wear a mask and contracted COVID regretted their decision. Heres a snippet of people posting their regrets.[/QUOTE]Religiously wearing a mask is virtually impossible. Who wears a mask 24/7? You could come home to an asymptomatic wife or family after wearing a mask religiously ALL DAY, take off your mask, and catch it. While the mouth and nose are still the biggest areas of concern, it's possible to catch it through the eyes as well. When working with COVID patients, the majority of the staff wear a face shield. I probably see less that 1% of people wearing face shields when I'm out in public.

And the debate continues. LOL.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5135225]Many who refused to a wear a mask and contracted COVID regretted their decision. Heres a snippet of people posting their regrets.[/QUOTE]Studies have proven that most regular masks of not all do not protect you from covid. Only an n95 protects you the most and even that I don't believe is 100 percent. In medical settings people wear face shields too tu avoid any splash from things such as coughing. You need to practice social distancing and just avoiding people you don't know. This hobby is very risky especially if you are not a single man and have family. Look what happened to King. When your setting up and participating in gb parties with a bunch of guys and a few girls then you can't act surprised when someone gets the bug. That's an example tailored to people here but think about how many new years parties will be held at private residences and clubs packed full of people. Great way to start off 2021 being stuck in a ventilator. There are real consequences to your actions. My friend whose been out travelling overseas and hobbying just caught the bug. He is doing ok now but from having video chat via WhatsApp with him and seeing his state was concerning. He was hooked up to 4 L of oxygen and his oxygen saturation was still hovering at around 92 or below. He's doing better now but it's not always the case. Plus many people are reporting long term effects from having covid. So I personally don't care about those statistics about the number of deaths that you guys keep reporting. At the end of the day I'm not trying to be any part of any of those statistics.

100% - and this is just a sampling of documented regrets of people who chose not to mask and / or distance that subsequently contracted the virus and. In some cases. Paid the ultimate price.

In contrast, the number of people that "religiously wore masks and contracted COVID" are embarrassingly absent from the public record.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5135225]Many who refused to a wear a mask and contracted COVID regretted their decision. Heres a snippet of people posting their regrets.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PunkedLife;5135642]Studies have proven that most regular masks of not all do not protect you from covid. Only an n95 protects you the most and even that I don't believe is 100 percent. In medical settings people wear face shields too tu avoid any splash from things such as coughing. You need to practice social distancing and just avoiding people you don't know. This hobby is very risky especially if you are not a single man and have family. Look what happened to King. When your setting up and participating in gb parties with a bunch of guys and a few girls then you can't act surprised when someone gets the bug. That's an example tailored to people here but think about how many new years parties will be held at private residences and clubs packed full of people. Great way to start off 2021 being stuck in a ventilator. There are real consequences to your actions. My friend whose been out travelling overseas and hobbying just caught the bug. He is doing ok now but from having video chat via WhatsApp with him and seeing his state was concerning. He was hooked up to 4 L of oxygen and his oxygen saturation was still hovering at around 92 or below. He's doing better now but it's not always the case. Plus many people are reporting long term effects from having covid. So I personally don't care about those statistics about the number of deaths that you guys keep reporting. At the end of the day I'm not trying to be any part of any of those statistics.[/QUOTE]Bullett states it eloquently, wearing a mask is better than wearing nothing. People, this is not rocket science!

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5135193]No-one ever claimed that masks are perfect at stopping the transmission of the virus, but they are FAR, FAR superior than not wearing one at all in preventing its spread. They would be even better if a greater percentage of the population wore them. And they must be worn correctly. Those who have them over their mouths with their noses exposed do not count as mask-wearers.

Its a pain in the ass to wear one, but a small price to pay to minimize the spread of the virus until enough people are vaccinated to to get this thing under control.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MartyBass864;5136725][URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9094477/Atlanta-mayor-asks-help-solving-alarming-crime-wave.html[/URL]

Crime in the atl is out of control![/QUOTE]It's astounding they refer to her as a "star" in the same breath they reference the deadliest year in decades for Atlanta.

[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5134984]You're thumbnail doesn't have the title of the table. Take a look again. It says from 2/1/2020. It's missing data from January.

Talk about someone that wants to stay in their narrative and not learn something![/QUOTE]It says the week ending 02/01/20 so part of the data from January could be missing.

We will have to wait and see what the total number turns out to be.

Thanks for pointing that out. I don't think it's going to be over 3,000,000 but now we will have to see.