"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

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[2 QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4064129]I'm curious as to how many people read this thread. My current #1 girl. [ / QUOTE].

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4064129]I'm curious as to how many people read this thread. My current #1 girl.[/QUOTE]So far we are at 600+ views, LA thread is at 1,000+ views (but pic has been up for a few more days).

Some one said to set up a new email account with an International card. Assistance needed Thanks CM.

So while I'm still very happy with my 3-month-and-counting SB on a personal level, there have been enough tradeoffs on the physical intimacy end that I decided to do a little more exploring to get some concrete comparisons. So far I haven't found much that would be even in the ballpark for matching the classiness of this young lady. But a recent one was just off the charts weird.

So I found a 30-something that seemed like it might be a stable situation and maybe a different physical dynamic. But it was a really odd mixed message. When I shared my GV number she called rather than texted (who does that? She seemed rather sweet and I decided to go out on a limb and just schedule an NSA on the phone. It was when I had to reschedule over texting that I start getting serious desperation vibes, which would normally make me exit stage left pretty damned fast. We texted back and forth and I gave her some clear indications that this was getting out of my comfort zone, with some general explanations as to why. I was about ready to totally bail out, and frankly I don't know why I didn't.

But we agreed to phone each other the next day to renegotiate where to meet for dinner. And we talked a lot about why I was uncomfortable, and she shared more detail about the tough spot she was in, and that got me to the point where I figured a dinner couldn't hurt. On meeting her she was a little quirky, but in an innocent way, and her story hung together in a way that eased my paranoia. So I offered that while I couldn't promise anything long term just yet, I'd be fine with a date since her needs seemed so urgent.

As FC visits go, was definitely not great. She had a lot of restrictions (CBJ, no DATY), and in general gave an amateur vibe. Nice that this wasn't some UTR, but she also really didn't seem to know what she was doing or how to act. I'm pretty sure I was her first FC visit. Out of charity and hoping that she would get better with more direction, I offered a date the next week.

I semi-ghosted her the next day, as I was busy with an overnight with my regular SB. But the day after that I opened up a casual conversation on text to keep the iron warm. She responded with "who is this? I texted her one of my stock selfies and suddenly she remembered my name. Uh, ok. Not much after that and I wasn't terribly motivated anyway.

Then tonight I get a message from her on SA that she had updated her profile and to "hmu" if I was interested. WTF? We'd already had a date, another one tentatively planned, and I had even taken her grocery shopping between dinner and the FC because she genuinely seemed to need help. Yet she messages me as if she doesn't know me.

Either there are a few screws loose, or she's an extremely talented actress / scam artist. If the latter I don't know what her angle is, and both in phone conversations and in person she seemed about as guileless as any SB I've met.

I wasn't interested in a long-term thing anyway, as I really didn't want the drama. So now I'm mostly motivated to let her just totally flake on me and fade away, will save me the trouble of cutting her loose.

But, just. Wow.

I'm not a SA member, but had an awesome SB until October & follow this thread.

I've hesitated to join SA & only have the access you get from having a free account. Can look but not message or see everything in a profile. Get messages but not be able to read them or have a conversation via the I'm.

I get tons of girls checking out my profile & messaging me, but can't read them. One from about four weeks ago. For some reason I could still not read it but I just was able to message her back my GV cell number. Immediately tried another one and it was blocked again.

Can SB at a certain level, like premium, get messages from non paying members?

I'm on the fence about becoming a member. I've had three SB in the last three years. The awesome one for 2 1/2 years that ended in October when she got engaged to her live in BF of over four years, another, a stripper I still see now & then, I've been seen for over 2 1/2 years & an ebony model I saw last March for about a month.

#1 college co-ed now 26, #2 stripper 25, #3 single mom, 24.

All three I just chatted up & went from there. Surprisingly, of the three the stripper took the longest to bed. We did priivate dances but she wouldn't take her panties off. She claimed to only like girls, I thought she was just putting me off. When I finally got in her she was so tight it took a lot of DATY to loosen her up & still lube to get in, and I'm average size. To say she fucked my brains out would be an understatement. My first and so far only true squirter, she soaked the bed!

I'm working on a super cute 30 year old bartender currently with a killer bod.

It takes a lot more work & time this way but when you get in it's worth it. SB #1 turned into a legit love affair. Miss her for sure.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;3847240]I don't know how to highlight one section of the quote here, but I responding to your part about cleaning up, staying in shape, etc. This is huge, as no younger girl wants to be pounded by an old obese slob, no offense to anyone. But facts are facts. I take this part of my game even further. I micro manage every aspect of my overall looks and health and you know what? Not only is it good for sugar dating, it's just good for overall health and well being. I basically bodybuild. I'm no pro, but could be a solid amateur bodybuilder. When I walk into meet these girls, they can tell, yes, I'm older, but to have my build, they know I have my shit together. I've had girls say they should be offering me allowance and a few probably meant it. I have little empathy for anyone who lets themselves totally go. So keep that in mind. My one vice that counters all this, is drinking. I do better with the girls when buzzed and loosened up, and since I'm dating them so much, I find myself having several drinks, multiple times per week and that has set me back. But drinking really helps me be more open as I can be a bit stiff without it.

My point is, if you're a 40 plus year old guy, get your hormones checked, get them in line and don; t just do some morning sit-ups and call it good, train your body, get in the best shape of you life and you'll do ten times better at this game. The girls will actually be into you! I speak from experience! And they best sex you can have with anyone, is someone having fun too and into it.

Two cents.[/QUOTE]I will tell you I was a stereotypical sex, drugs and rock and roll kinda guy right out of the sixties and now in my sixties. The first time I had sex sober was at 42. Let me tell you that was some scary shit. It took quite a while to be able to get comfortable enough in my own skin to get anywhere near the quality of sex I was having when I was buzzed, stoned, wasted, high (whatever). Like a few years.

Even now 20+ years later there are times I wish I could get a little buzz on to enhance the moment. Usually I just live vicariously through my little girls as most of them party a bit to achieve the same effect. And at their age there is no telling them too much other than not to overdo it. It's just one of those compromises I have to live with to be able to stay in the game.

And drinking specifically will start to have negative effects on your ability to get it up over time. But you already know all this or should. And the mixing of drinking with sex enhancing drugs like viagra or cialis is a big no no.

Just an added FYI. The thought of actually getting high (on anything) and then being able to keep up at work/play (well I just know I would be fooling myself). No amount of diet and exercise can compensate for a bad liver, drugged sleep, the hangovers, loss of focus, whatever. Been there, done that, not doing it today. I banged my current little girl so much yesterday my biceps are sore today (that's a workout... right?). lol. And yeah, I am still in the green zone. Now I will STFU.

Just my 1 cent.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4067057]I will tell you I was a stereotypical sex, drugs and rock and roll kinda guy right out of the sixties and now in my sixties. The first time I had sex sober was at 42. Let me tell you that was some scary shit. It took quite a while to be able to get comfortable enough in my own skin to get anywhere near the quality of sex I was having when I was buzzed, stoned, wasted, high (whatever). Like a few years.

Even now 20+ years later there are times I wish I could get a little buzz on to enhance the moment. Usually I just live vicariously through my little girls as most of them party a bit to achieve the same effect. And at their age there is no telling them too much other than not to overdo it. It's just one of those compromises I have to live with to be able to stay in the game..[/QUOTE]This thread is worth reviving! I mean, we are middle aged guys that are hanging out with banging hot 20-30 something ladies. Yes, for the most part, we have our shit together, provide and allowance / gifts and add to their life experiences. And yes, they will venture to the FC for those, but they will lay it on the line and enjoy the the experiences far more if they are attracted. We simply have to take care of ourselves, not only for this hobby, but in general.

The working out part is more important after we hit our early to mid 40's. Our testosterone production decreases dramatically when we reach that age and muscle mass decreases. If we maintain the same weight that translates to increased fat storage, which further decreases testosterone. Lifting weights is three pronged: It increases muscle mass, it decreases fat storage, and increases testosterone production. You don't have to be a gym rat to get the these effects. 3 days a week of even light-moderate exercise will yield great results. Your boner and your SB will thank you for that investment!

I am upper 40's, nearly 50, and I am having the time of my life. 4 pops with a hot co-ed just yesterday / last night only to wake up this morning for another hours worth of FC. Supplements worth mentioning: CoQ10, SeroVital, Turmeric, and a Testosterone supplement I get from Costco. I also use Rodan and Fields beyond the shave regimen.

Not only for the hobby, but for life in general, we need to take care of the machine that we are using to make this hobby so much fun.

Good luck fellas and be careful out there!!

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4067057]Just an added FYI. The thought of actually getting high (on anything) and then being able to keep up at work/play (well I just know I would be fooling myself). No amount of diet and exercise can compensate for a bad liver, drugged sleep, the hangovers, loss of focus, whatever. Been there, done that, not doing it today. I banged my current little girl so much yesterday my biceps are sore today (that's a workout... right?). lol. And yeah, I am still in the green zone. Now I will STFU.

Just my 1 cent.[/QUOTE]Got myself squarely into the green zone after getting dead serious about my diet and keeping up with weight training starting last summer. Lost 25 lbs and I now have noticeable muscle definition. Can't compete with a gym rat, but I definitely now like what I see when I take off my shirt in the bathroom mirror.

And yes, it makes a huge difference. Your game is naturally better because you look good and you know it. Losing 25 lbs easily shaves 5 years off your looks, and your self-esteem probably another 1-2 on top of that. When it comes time for FC, you look forward to getting naked. Not am I only in better shape than the majority of 50-somethings, I'm in better shape than most of the SB's I've encountered. My latest flakey one actually apologized as we were getting started that she hadn't been to the gym in awhile. Prior to that, as we were sipping wine on the couch, she commented on how firm I was when she was stroking my chest through my shirt.

Anything and everything you can do to shatter their preconceived notion that sex with an older guy is something to endure rather than enjoy will pay off handsomely.

And that extends beyond the bowl. I carry myself with much more confidence now. I'm thrilled every day when I put on the 32 W jeans that haven't fit in years, and now are actually starting to be a little loose on me. Can't recommend trimming down highly enough!

[QUOTE=Walruscl;4067560]Got myself squarely into the green zone after getting dead serious about my diet and keeping up with weight training starting last summer. Lost 25 lbs and I now have noticeable muscle definition. Can't compete with a gym rat, but I definitely now like what I see when I take off my shirt in the bathroom mirror.

And yes, it makes a huge difference. Your game is naturally better because you look good and you know it. Losing 25 lbs easily shaves 5 years off your looks, and your self-esteem probably another 1-2 on top of that. When it comes time for FC, you look forward to getting naked. Not am I only in better shape than the majority of 50-somethings, I'm in better shape than most of the SB's I've encountered. My latest flakey one actually apologized as we were getting started that she hadn't been to the gym in awhile. Prior to that, as we were sipping wine on the couch, she commented on how firm I was when she was stroking my chest through my shirt.

Anything and everything you can do to shatter their preconceived notion that sex with an older guy is something to endure rather than enjoy will pay off handsomely.

And that extends beyond the bowl. I carry myself with much more confidence now. I'm thrilled every day when I put on the 32 W jeans that haven't fit in years, and now are actually starting to be a little loose on me. Can't recommend trimming down highly enough![/QUOTE]Good work dude!!

[QUOTE=Walruscl;4067560]I'm in better shape than most of the SB's I've encountered. [/QUOTE]Maybe its time to up your game?

I know married SBs aren't a new thing, but I just met one who's married and in an open relationship. We did a M&G and kept in touch via text for a few weeks. Got some hot pics and vids over those few weeks. Finally got to the FC and it was all that and a bag of chips. She's a definite keeper. A hot late 30's SB, with few inhibitions. God bless the Sugar Bowl.

Anyone else had experiences with married SBs? Pros? Cons? Pitfalls to watch out for?

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4067669]I know married SBs aren't a new thing, but I just met one who's married and in an open relationship. We did a M&G and kept in touch via text for a few weeks. Got some hot pics and vids over those few weeks. Finally got to the FC and it was all that and a bag of chips. She's a definite keeper. A hot late 30's SB, with few inhibitions. God bless the Sugar Bowl.

Anyone else had experiences with married SBs? Pros? Cons? Pitfalls to watch out for?[/QUOTE]I've met 5-6 married ladies from the SB websites. One was in an open relationship, the rest were looking for a side piece. I'd say, from my experience, they are not SB per se. They are using the SB websites to find, what they assume, upscale and non-dramatic dudes. Guys that are not going to blow their cover, etc. Only one would let me give her money on rare occasion. All of them wanted to sexually experiment and do stuff they've seen in porn that their old man wouldn't do. They are one of the better kept secrets.

The con would be their availability. They tend to not be able to meet a couple times a week. Pitfalls would obviously be a jealous husband that seeks to level the score thru violence or other destruction. I met one married lady who's husband had caught her before, who was charged with attempted vehicular manslaughter after T-boning her fuck toy at 75 mph at an intersection.

Be careful and stay safe dude.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4067667]Maybe its time to up your game?[/QUOTE]On one hand, touche. On the other, the hotter / more-in-shape SB's in my area (Boston) have serious GPS issues that seem to defy any amount of game. Most of them basically insist on talking $$$ before even meeting. So either you refuse to meet, or you inevitably find out that they have GPS and you have no ability to counter it with game.

This just happened to me today. It was odd since the SB was definitely pursuing me on the site, asking why I had gone silent at one point (first, she asked about $$$ on the site, second, I was busy with other things, but that wasn't the excuse I gave). When we finally got to text, she was asking $ to meet for dinner, and $$ for each intimacy meet. I told her I don't pay for NSA's, and that I couldn't do five but would be willing to talk about it when it became clear that we had enough chemistry for the discussion to be relevant. She told me it was non-negotiable, so I wished her well.

I guess one upside is I didn't waste time on an NSA.

I will say that my regular SB's body is a Venus de Milo worthy work of art, and is still in great shape despite a six month hiatus from the gym. So I'm not doing *all* that badly. .

[QUOTE=Walruscl;4067717]On one hand, touche. On the other, the hotter / more-in-shape SB's in my area (Boston) have serious GPS issues that seem to defy any amount of game. Most of them basically insist on talking $$$ before even meeting. So either you refuse to meet, or you inevitably find out that they have GPS and you have no ability to counter it with game.

This just happened to me today. It was odd since the SB was definitely pursuing me on the site, asking why I had gone silent at one point (first, she asked about $$$ on the site, second, I was busy with other things, but that wasn't the excuse I gave). When we finally got to text, she was asking $ to meet for dinner, and $$ for each intimacy meet. I told her I don't pay for NSA's, and that I couldn't do five but would be willing to talk about it when it became clear that we had enough chemistry for the discussion to be relevant. She told me it was non-negotiable, so I wished her well.

I guess one upside is I didn't waste time on an NSA.

I will say that my regular SB's body is a Venus de Milo worthy work of art, and is still in great shape despite a six month hiatus from the gym. So I'm not doing *all* that badly. .[/QUOTE]I think GPS is universal and constant everywhere. But I will admit that if I see a girl mention in her post that she just moved here (L. A.) from the east coast I mostly shine them on. I don't know how much time you spend online, but you really do have to dig to find the gold. Statistically my numbers would look pathetic on a pie chart. Luckily there are a lot of girls to hit up. Maybe less in your area. Don't know.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;4067717]On one hand, touche. On the other, the hotter / more-in-shape SB's in my area (Boston) have serious GPS issues that seem to defy any amount of game. Most of them basically insist on talking $$$ before even meeting. So either you refuse to meet, or you inevitably find out that they have GPS and you have no ability to counter it with game.

This just happened to me today. It was odd since the SB was definitely pursuing me on the site, asking why I had gone silent at one point (first, she asked about $$$ on the site, second, I was busy with other things, but that wasn't the excuse I gave). When we finally got to text, she was asking $ to meet for dinner, and $$ for each intimacy meet. I told her I don't pay for NSA's, and that I couldn't do five but would be willing to talk about it when it became clear that we had enough chemistry for the discussion to be relevant. She told me it was non-negotiable, so I wished her well.

I guess one upside is I didn't waste time on an NSA.

I will say that my regular SB's body is a Venus de Milo worthy work of art, and is still in great shape despite a six month hiatus from the gym. So I'm not doing *all* that badly. .[/QUOTE]Its such a small world. I am messaging this girl as listed in L. A. Everything is going great and then she tells me she is currently going to school in boston. LOL. All this, while I am replying to you. I guess she really does live here (L. A.) but goes to school there. Coming here for the holidays, Hope she follows through, as we seem to be in total agreement.