"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=PeterPan;7315548]I'm glad you were able to spot and land a unicorn.[/QUOTE]Peter you know I respect the hell out of you, but I promise, that wasn't a unicorn. That was typical. If anything it's a little high. Farfaraway just did some very basic negotiating, and bam, suddenly she's dropped her ask damn near 60% for the first meet, and has dropped it 65% for all future meets.

I'm telling you and the other guys on the board: just do some basic push back and negotiation, and these rates will plummet. Guys really really REALLY need to stop just assuming a girl's initial ask is the only option. It's not. Negotiate, and if they don't, move to the next one. Do this 5 times, and I PROMISE you'll be balls in deep in some under 30 for less than 400.

But you MUST be willing and able to negotiate. Period.

I will say this, if a guy is treating these girls like disposable escorts, then the rates absolutely will be higher. If she thinks this is the only time she's ever going to see you, she absolutely should bilk you for all she can.

If you want better rates then you have to treat these girls like a GF and not an escort.

I agree and I bring down the ppm's with different negotiation strategies. It takes time with back and froth but its possible.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7315569]Peter you know I respect the hell out of you, but I promise, that wasn't a unicorn. That was typical. If anything it's a little high. Farfaraway just did some very basic negotiating, and bam, suddenly she's dropped her ask damn near 60% for the first meet, and has dropped it 65% for all future meets.

I'm telling you and the other guys on the board: just do some basic push back and negotiation, and these rates will plummet. Guys really really REALLY need to stop just assuming a girl's initial ask is the only option. It's not. Negotiate, and if they don't, move to the next one. Do this 5 times, and I PROMISE you'll be balls in deep in some under 30 for less than 400.

But you MUST be willing and able to negotiate. Period.

I will say this, if a guy is treating these girls like disposable escorts, then the rates absolutely will be higher. If she thinks this is the only time she's ever going to see you, she absolutely should bilk you for all she can.

If you want better rates then you have to treat these girls like a GF and not an escort.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7315569]Peter you know I respect the hell out of you, but I promise, that wasn't a unicorn. That was typical. If anything it's a little high. Farfaraway just did some very basic negotiating, and bam, suddenly she's dropped her ask damn near 60% for the first meet, and has dropped it 65% for all future meets.

I'm telling you and the other guys on the board: just do some basic push back and negotiation, and these rates will plummet. Guys really really REALLY need to stop just assuming a girl's initial ask is the only option. It's not. Negotiate, and if they don't, move to the next one. Do this 5 times, and I PROMISE you'll be balls in deep in some under 30 for less than 400.

But you MUST be willing and able to negotiate. Period.

I will say this, if a guy is treating these girls like disposable escorts, then the rates absolutely will be higher. If she thinks this is the only time she's ever going to see you, she absolutely should bilk you for all she can.

If you want better rates then you have to treat these girls like a GF and not an escort.[/QUOTE]Look I agree with above, I am not encouraging them. But the reality.

Is there are guys out there paying. But I agree we / at least the people who are reading this should not normalize.

I am certainly not paying those high $$.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7315569]Peter you know I respect the hell out of you, but I promise, that wasn't a unicorn. That was typical. If anything it's a little high. Farfaraway just did some very basic negotiating, and bam, suddenly she's dropped her ask damn near 60% for the first meet, and has dropped it 65% for all future meets.

I'm telling you and the other guys on the board: just do some basic push back and negotiation, and these rates will plummet. Guys really really REALLY need to stop just assuming a girl's initial ask is the only option. It's not. Negotiate, and if they don't, move to the next one. Do this 5 times, and I PROMISE you'll be balls in deep in some under 30 for less than 400.

But you MUST be willing and able to negotiate. Period.

I will say this, if a guy is treating these girls like disposable escorts, then the rates absolutely will be higher. If she thinks this is the only time she's ever going to see you, she absolutely should bilk you for all she can.

If you want better rates then you have to treat these girls like a GF and not an escort.[/QUOTE]You are exactly right about not taking the first number they throw out, always always lowball them at 200-300 per meet, especially if the cannot host or say anything about condoms.

Literally today I was messaging with a solid 9+ (based on her profile pics, plus what she sent) mid-20's, lives in a nice area, can't host and she tossed out 1 k.I told her if she wanted to be a SB, she needed to be more realistic, at that rate, if I was willing to do it. I would see her once every 2 months at best. Add on the fact I have to find and book a hotel, and I might consider 300 per meet and see her 2-3 times per month. And she took it! Now let's see if she holds the meeting Wednesday or Thursday. I've had several toss out 800 and they took 300, and they are above average looks.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2e8287f1-4b5a-4231-8c89-e6372b76e773[/URL]

Is this one real? Feels fake to me:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/22299026-0370-4d22-9bd2-35fef9d78fa3[/URL]

[QUOTE=BrownSugaTwo;7315856]Is this one real? Feels fake to me:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/22299026-0370-4d22-9bd2-35fef9d78fa3[/URL][/QUOTE]She is real. But a pro or escort vibe.

[QUOTE=PeterPan;7315644]Look I agree with above, I am not encouraging them. But the reality.

Is there are guys out there paying. But I agree we / at least the people who are reading this should not normalize.

I am certainly not paying those high $$.[/QUOTE]I am sure there are some guys who offer crazy amounts, but you have to look at the root of that. And share it w / POTs, to argue against. In my area, southern California, there are crazy rich middle eastern guys. Some have wives that don't care if they have SBs. But I'd wager that these slimy dudes aren't what most girls had in mind when they considered joining the site. And they aren't what it uses for marketing. The guy on the home page is very white. They envisioned Brad Pitt.

If you have a POT who is only interested in making a big bank, well, that's a tip-off right there. It might even be the case that she doesn't care about the sex, in either direction. Personally, I am on the site to nail as much high quality pussy as I can. Emphasis on quality. And while it is true there is some correlation between quality and cost, in many 'product' areas, it is also true that many people who post here report there is an inverse correlation between the allowance they paid and the sexual experience they got.

If a young gal (I'm about to make the biblical life expectancy) is willing to bang me for a reasonable allowance, it must mean she's got at least some attraction to me, my skills, or the scenario we're playing. That's going to lead to a better experience for all. It takes work to find these though. A sweet spot for me has been late 20's girls, though currently I have a POT who is 21 and wants me to be her sex professor. A ballerina. Truly a dream.

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;7315648]You are exactly right about not taking the first number they throw out, always always lowball them at 200-300 per meet, especially if the cannot host or say anything about condoms.

Literally today I was messaging with a solid 9+ (based on her profile pics, plus what she sent) mid-20's, lives in a nice area, can't host and she tossed out 1 k.I told her if she wanted to be a SB, she needed to be more realistic, at that rate, if I was willing to do it. I would see her once every 2 months at best. Add on the fact I have to find and book a hotel, and I might consider 300 per meet and see her 2-3 times per month. And she took it! Now let's see if she holds the meeting Wednesday or Thursday. I've had several toss out 800 and they took 300, and they are above average looks.[/QUOTE]*insert Aquaman meme* My man!

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/12f9aef8-03f9-4cb7-8f69-684c6a4bdb06[/URL]

But came across another GPS, Victoria /25 on seeking.

She wants 13 k per month.

[QUOTE=PeterPan;7318507]But came across another GPS, Victoria /25 on seeking.

She wants 13 k per month.[/QUOTE][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/15a61057-9ec7-475d-bc35-bcd4c8470d2b[/URL]

She wants money upfront, that 13 k number is a joke. She accepted $350 and could host, then wanted a deposit so her time wasn't wasted.

Hey guys, just started chatting with this babe and curious if anyone has reviews of her?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f12fb6be-2f4c-4703-a68c-9f79d84f10ac[/URL]

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;7318640][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/15a61057-9ec7-475d-bc35-bcd4c8470d2b[/URL]

She wants money upfront, that 13 k number is a joke. She accepted $350 and could host, then wanted a deposit so her time wasn't wasted.[/QUOTE]Blocked her!

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;7316534]*insert Aquaman meme* My man![/QUOTE]Welp. TGTBT. After everything was arranged, rescheduled and worked out she asks me to buy her food and won't give an actual address to have it delivered. Mind you it's 11 pm and the place she wanted food from was closed at 10 pm (I checked). She played the long con and was even willing to do a phone call. ALWAYS be on the lookout for a scam and NEVER consider doing anything nice until you have met them in person, in private.