Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=MattBr;3028399]Went there last week just out of curiosity:

Saw Toree: older, great tight body, good attitude, fun. Only bar dances but she was sweet.

Jade: younger but the body was a little bit bigger, sweet, but not my type.

Autumn: cute blonde, great boobs, lots of fun in the lap dance area.

April: cute blonde, older, lots of fun in the lap dance area.

Don't expect young beauties there. But there are some fun, MILF's who have great attitudes and appreciate a nice, clean guy. Didn't ask about extras, didn't seem possible but the lap dance area is nice, behind a sheer curtain (can see right into the club). $20 buys a ticket to get a dance, they set an egg timer for five minutes and you tip accordingly after the dance or dances.

Cheap drinks, clean inside and no guys in there that will bother you.

Unlike. Wild Zebra, seriously all the boyfriends (pimps, dealers) make the place pretty uncomfortable. Saw one girl Bailey, smoking hot blond, great legs, ass, tits but a horrible attitude. She asked me why I was at the worst club in the state. I left soon after.[/QUOTE]Mickeys has been hit or miss for me, one of the old sportman's ho's is in there afternoons. I think it's Christine, let's me finger her pussy while she's sitting next to me at the bar so that's always fun. Earlier this year, had a chick actually suck on my dick for only a short moment behind the curtain. She didn't get the gravy so I had blue balls all the way home. Desires if you put in the time and $$ is most always reliable, Zebra does not impress, but I've only dropped in once during the day, full bar of thugs and expensive Brazilians.

Can you get FS in Mickeys? And what are the damages for that? And was the blow job BBBJ? What were the damages for that? Thanks.

[QUOTE=SouthShoreAlex;3029478]Mickeys has been hit or miss for me, one of the old sportman's ho's is in there afternoons. I think it's Christine, let's me finger her pussy while she's sitting next to me at the bar so that's always fun. Earlier this year, had a chick actually suck on my dick for only a short moment behind the curtain. She didn't get the gravy so I had blue balls all the way home. Desires if you put in the time and $$ is most always reliable, Zebra does not impress, but I've only dropped in once during the day, full bar of thugs and expensive Brazilians.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lips1963;3029511]Can you get FS in Mickeys? And what are the damages for that? And was the blow job BBBJ? What were the damages for that? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I would say FS is very unlikely, the booth isn't that comfortable. I've had BBBJ a few times (although it depends on the gal) . Girls typically don't usually talk $$ but. 4 or. 6 will usually make them happy, on top of the 2 chip dance fee (one chip might be fun, but probably won't get you off) . There's a gal that gives a good HJ. And that's probably all you need. Don't tip more than .1 if no extras are received.

[QUOTE=OreoCookie;3030178]I would say FS is very unlikely, the booth isn't that comfortable. I've had BBBJ a few times (although it depends on the gal) . Girls typically don't usually talk $$ but. 4 or. 6 will usually make them happy, on top of the 2 chip dance fee (one chip might be fun, but probably won't get you off) . There's a gal that gives a good HJ. And that's probably all you need. Don't tip more than .1 if no extras are received.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. But a hand job is DEFINITELY NOT "all I need"! But could you please let me know how much a "dance chip" is? I assume you pay for time with those? How much time do you get for a chip and how much are those chips? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Lips1963;3030756]Thanks for the info. But a hand job is DEFINITELY NOT "all I need"! But could you please let me know how much a "dance chip" is? I assume you pay for time with those? How much time do you get for a chip and how much are those chips? Thanks.[/QUOTE]A $20 chip gets you 5 minutes of time. From that 10 goes to the dancer, 10 to the house. My experience is that extras aren't automatic, no matter who the girl is. The variables include bouncers / owner paying attention, if the dancer has seen you before. My advice is to sit on the back side of the bar, and ask the dancer "how good" the dance will be. No guarantees. These girls aren't nearly as money hungry as the other RI clubs.

[QUOTE=OreoCookie;3030951]A $20 chip gets you 5 minutes of time. From that 10 goes to the dancer, 10 to the house. My experience is that extras aren't automatic, no matter who the girl is. The variables include bouncers / owner paying attention, if the dancer has seen you before. My advice is to sit on the back side of the bar, and ask the dancer "how good" the dance will be. No guarantees. These girls aren't nearly as money hungry as the other RI clubs.[/QUOTE]Thank you.

[QUOTE=OreoCookie;3030951]A $20 chip gets you 5 minutes of time. From that 10 goes to the dancer, 10 to the house. My experience is that extras aren't automatic, no matter who the girl is. The variables include bouncers / owner paying attention, if the dancer has seen you before. My advice is to sit on the back side of the bar, and ask the dancer "how good" the dance will be. No guarantees. These girls aren't nearly as money hungry as the other RI clubs.[/QUOTE]So the girls in there won't negotiate specific services up front? I never heard of that! Most of my experience in New England was at Cheaters. And I would NEVER go into the booth with a Cheaters girl without negotiating EVERYTHING. Even then you get scammers. And in Florida in a previous life, it was ALWAYS like that, nobody went into a CR without knowing EXACTLY what the girl was willing to do! In ALL the clubs. So you are saying these girls in there won't say what they will do upfront? Is this because of LE bullshit, or what? Do these girls also expect you to pay upfront as well?

[QUOTE=Lips1963;3031149]So the girls in there won't negotiate specific services up front? I never heard of that! Most of my experience in New England was at Cheaters. And I would NEVER go into the booth with a Cheaters girl without negotiating EVERYTHING. Even then you get scammers. And in Florida in a previous life, it was ALWAYS like that, nobody went into a CR without knowing EXACTLY what the girl was willing to do! In ALL the clubs. So you are saying these girls in there won't say what they will do upfront? Is this because of LE bullshit, or what? Do these girls also expect you to pay upfront as well?[/QUOTE]You need to go to the club you have some misconception about what the club is like. There is NO champagne room, there is NO private booth, there is an curtained area with two 3-sided closets / cubicles right up against one wall of the club. You can see through the curtains from the club. You sit in the 'booth' facing the club you are looking out into the club. It's not private.

As for negotiating up front? What's the big deal? You are paying $20 and getting a 5 minute dance. That's as good a price as you are going to find at any club in RI for a lapdance (other than the $10/ dance timeslots at Fantasies if they are still offering those). Of course if you are paying $30-50 to the club and another $100+ to a dancer you want to make sure you know what you will be getting, but you are paying TWENTY DOLLARS. If you ONLY got a vanilla lapdance you got your $20 worth.

Again keep it in perspective. You aren't paying Florida or Champagne Room prices and paying the dancer $100+ you are paying $20, or $40 if you want 10 minutes. Spend $20 get a dance see what vibe you get from the dancer. If you aren't willing or able to spend $20 now and then to find a dancer who'll give you kind of dance why ou want you should probably find another hobby.

[QUOTE=iamioman;3031618]You need to go to the club you have some misconception about what the club is like. There is NO champagne room, there is NO private booth, there is an curtained area with two 3-sided closets / cubicles right up against one wall of the club. You can see through the curtains from the club. You sit in the 'booth' facing the club you are looking out into the club. It's not private.

As for negotiating up front? What's the big deal? You are paying $20 and getting a 5 minute dance. That's as good a price as you are going to find at any club in RI for a lapdance (other than the $10/ dance timeslots at Fantasies if they are still offering those). Of course if you are paying $30-50 to the club and another $100+ to a dancer you want to make sure you know what you will be getting, but you are paying TWENTY DOLLARS. If you ONLY got a vanilla lapdance you got your $20 worth.

Again keep it in perspective. You aren't paying Florida or Champagne Room prices and paying the dancer $100+ you are paying $20, or $40 if you want 10 minutes. Spend $20 get a dance see what vibe you get from the dancer. If you aren't willing or able to spend $20 now and then to find a dancer who'll give you kind of dance why ou want you should probably find another hobby.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, much appreciated. But I think you mis-understood me. I was not talking about negotiating prices of lapdances, I don't generally get lapdances. My modus operandi has always been to simply chat them up and buy them a drink and negotiate services. By services, I mean getting laid or at bare minumimum a decent BBBJ. But I suppose if they don't really have acceptable private facilities for that, I guess it would only be good for take-out, at least for my purposes.

Anyway, I DO really appreciate your answering my questions about this place because as I said, in New England the only club I am familar with was the former Cheaters. And getting to Mickey's would be quite a distance for me, so I am grateful for this info before making that 2 hour round trip!

So I guess my next question, and my last one about this Mickey's, is whether anyone has ever gotten good take-out out from there, and if so, any specific recommendations for particular girls for take-out? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Lips1963;3032132]... By services, I mean getting laid or at bare minumimum a decent BBBJ. But I suppose if they don't really have acceptable private facilities for that, I guess it would only be good for take-out, at least for my purposes.[/QUOTE]Some services are easier to hide than others iun the semi-obscured (by opaque curtain) dance areas but the layuout isn't the best for private activities.

[QUOTE=Lips1963;3032132]And getting to Mickey's would be quite a distance for me, so I am grateful for this info before making that 2 hour round trip! [/QUOTE]I had never gone until last year befause cumberland always seemed out of the way but when I google mapped it I discovered it's maybe a a mile off rte 1 really easy to get to from 95. But if you are going to drive an hour to go to a RI club you might as well add another 15-20 minutes and have your choice of clubs.

[QUOTE=iamioman;3034354]Some services are easier to hide than others iun the semi-obscured (by opaque curtain) dance areas but the layuout isn't the best for private activities.

I had never gone until last year befause cumberland always seemed out of the way but when I google mapped it I discovered it's maybe a a mile off rte 1 really easy to get to from 95. But if you are going to drive an hour to go to a RI club you might as well add another 15-20 minutes and have your choice of clubs.[/QUOTE]Thank you! I guess that answers my questions--but if anyone has any specific ladies in there good for takeout, I'd be much obliged to hear about them!

[QUOTE=iamioman;3034354]Some services are easier to hide than others iun the semi-obscured (by opaque curtain) dance areas but the layuout isn't the best for private activities.

I had never gone until last year befause cumberland always seemed out of the way but when I google mapped it I discovered it's maybe a a mile off rte 1 really easy to get to from 95. But if you are going to drive an hour to go to a RI club you might as well add another 15-20 minutes and have your choice of clubs.[/QUOTE]If your looking for f / s in the booth, go right to Desires, some girls will, some girls won't. Just like the barber says "next".

[QUOTE=Lips1963;3034407]Thank you! I guess that answers my questions--but if anyone has any specific ladies in there good for takeout, I'd be much obliged to hear about them![/QUOTE]I have met them all, but OTC is strictly a family affair and I've met husbands, boyfriends, kids, sisters, cousins, parents, and grandkids. No ****** here. If she meets you, it's because the chemistry is right. And meetings have been awesome. You won't need a wallet, but be prepared for emergencies later on. Car breakdown. Medical. Layaway at TJMaxx. Just might be more GFE than you're looking for.

Made my first visit to Mickey's. Chatted with both Cassidy (light black / mixed, B cups, some piercings) and Ashley (white, sagging B's, stretched out stomach). Neither attractive enough for me to spend $20 for dances.

Went to Desires the next day. Cindi is a pretty platinum blonde from Russia and gave a very good dance. Sam was a good dance and had nice tits. Iani was a RIPOFF, though. Iani is a tanned woman with B cups and was a big upseller in the dance room. Demanded payment up front, then could not touch unless you were going to give a tip. Terrible attitude out of her. I didn't go for a 2nd dance.

[QUOTE=TheGame05;3038009]Made my first visit to Mickey's. Chatted with both Cassidy (light black / mixed, B cups, some piercings) and Ashley (white, sagging B's, stretched out stomach). Neither attractive enough for me to spend $20 for dances.
[/QUOTE]Does Ashley have dark hair and glasses??

Did a tour of Prov on Thursday afternoon. Hit Wonderland, Wild Zebra, Desire, and Fantasies. The reason I kept moving is that I didn't find a single girl interesting enough to remain at any of these spots. Very dissapointed cause Thursdays used to be great.

I did see 1 very hot girl at Wonderland. A tall black girl with a killer body. She emerged from the dressing room to get her lunch and then disappeared back to the dressing room. After 20 minutes I gave up and left. Should have ended my tour then.

I don't know how these places survive.

[QUOTE=Puckster;3043229]Did a tour of Prov on Thursday afternoon. Hit Wonderland, Wild Zebra, Desire, and Fantasies. The reason I kept moving is that I didn't find a single girl interesting enough to remain at any of these spots. Very dissapointed cause Thursdays used to be great.

I did see 1 very hot girl at Wonderland. A tall black girl with a killer body. She emerged from the dressing room to get her lunch and then disappeared back to the dressing room. After 20 minutes I gave up and left. Should have ended my tour then.

I don't know how these places survive.[/QUOTE]Desire has been more miss than hit with me lately but when it's good, it's great. I've become a Foxy guy though. Best looking girls, great prices, few upsellers and quality dances. Add in the relaxed vibe I get in there and I don't know why anyone not looking for extras would bother going anywhere else. If you're an extras guy, CD is the way to go (obviously) but for just straight up strip clubs? Foxy is head and shoulders better.

I was planning on visiting the lounge from mass, got on cadillac lounge site and got redirected to scoresprovidence dot com with pictures of cadillac lounge on the site. Can somebody tell me when this happened? Has anybody visited after the takeover and have any feedback?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=RogerMoris;3043425]Desire has been more miss than hit with me lately but when it's good, it's great. I've become a Foxy guy though. Best looking girls, great prices, few upsellers and quality dances. Add in the relaxed vibe I get in there and I don't know why anyone not looking for extras would bother going anywhere else. If you're an extras guy, CD is the way to go (obviously) but for just straight up strip clubs? Foxy is head and shoulders better.[/QUOTE]What are the CR prices and dance prices at Foxy now?

[QUOTE=OreoCookie;3042791]Does Ashley have dark hair and glasses??[/QUOTE]Dark hair yes. Glasses I can't remember. This stripper was was not worth remembering.

[QUOTE=TheGame05;3044398]Dark hair yes. Glasses I can't remember. This stripper was was not worth remembering.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I get it. The girls at Mickeys are older and not real beauties, but they're not top dollar pros either. She's only been dancing a couple of weeks, just doing what she needs to do to pay the bills.

[QUOTE=GuyFrom;3043920]I was planning on visiting the lounge from mass, got on cadillac lounge site and got redirected to scoresprovidence dot com with pictures of cadillac lounge on the site. Can somebody tell me when this happened? Has anybody visited after the takeover and have any feedback?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Just a name change.

Took a trip from Massachusetts which included boring 1 hr ride. Noticed there were new faces and I was hoping new faces would equal better experience. I got lapdances from 3 different girls all 3 quoted me $200 - $250 for champagne room which I turned all down because of the first lapdance.

First lap dance was a tall good looking blonde Brazilian which turned into the worse lap dance I ever got and probably can get better lap dance in Massachusetts. AVOID tall blonde Brazilian at all costs guys, but local RI guys are probably all are aware and can spot a hustler from a mile away. I only lost $80, but would of enjoyed throwing the same amount of money down the toilet than giving it to this girl.

Second and third lap dance was from helena and cieara. Both of the girls gave decent contact lap dance and encouraged champagne room, but I turned down because I was afraid there would serious up sell.

I have some questions for the local guys about strip club rules.

What does the quoted champagne room price get you, does it include everything or is there more up sell?

Should you ask about the amount of contact for a lap dance?

Do you look for anything she says that is a big NO NO?

Should you report a girl to a bouncer, manager or somebody if she is more a hustler than a striper?

Thanks Guys.

I have some questions for the local guys about strip club rules.

-What does the quoted champagne room price get you, does it include everything or is there more up sell?

Like with everything here, depends on the girl. I've agreed on $200 and had girls throw a rubber on and ride me without a word and I've had girls refuse to touch me w / o more $. Always make sure there is a meeting of minds before going in.

-Should you ask about the amount of contact for a lap dance?

I always assume I can grab tits and ass and will get a nice grind. Anything more, should be discussed before.

-Do you look for anything she says that is a big NO NO?

Girls that walk around asking "want to dance" to everybody are usually best avoided. Also if a girl says she only does CRs or tries to pressure you into one stay away.

-Should you report a girl to a bouncer, manager or somebody if she is more a hustler than a striper?

It's probably the right thing to do, but who wants trouble with a crazy chick or worse her pimp?

[QUOTE=GuyFrom;3051837] What does the quoted champagne room price get you, does it include everything or is there more up sell?

Should you ask about the amount of contact for a lap dance?

Do you look for anything she says that is a big NO NO?

Should you report a girl to a bouncer, manager or somebody if she is more a hustler than a striper?
[/QUOTE]Nothing is guaranteed but you should always ask what the cost will be and what's included. Some dancers will say "everything included for $" some will say "$ for A, $$ for B, etc" some will just say something vague like "we'll have fun" or "I guarantee you'll have fun". That you should usually avoid unless you have a really good bullshit sensor. "Fun" is relative, so your idea of fun might be one thing, while that dancers idea of 'fun' might be getting $100+ and in exchange giving you a 15 m private champagne room dance you could have gotten in the main room for half the price.

As a general rule avoid any dancer who gives you vague answers about what the dance includes or how much you'll need to pay. Some dancers will ask for money up front (which is understandable) and then give you your money's worth / what you agreed on, but EVRY dancer who is going to scam you or ask for more then you agreed on will ask you to pay up front because they know you won't pay once they change the terms of what you agreed to.

I don't have any experience reporting a dancer so don't know if it has any effect or not, but you can't report that the dancer doesn't do illegal things so you are pretty much limited to saying something like 'Dancer X is a scam artist, she's really bad for your business. She makes me not want to come to this club' or complaining in a way that lets the club know the dancer's behavior is going to have a financial impact on the club. Not saying you shouldn't complain but realistically I doubt one single person complaining is likelyu toi have much effect.

[QUOTE=GuyFrom;3051837]
I have some questions for the local guys about strip club rules.

What does the quoted champagne room price get you, does it include everything or is there more up sell?

Should you ask about the amount of contact for a lap dance?

Do you look for anything she says that is a big NO NO?

Should you report a girl to a bouncer, manager or somebody if she is more a hustler than a striper?

Thanks Guys.[/QUOTE]You can't report dancers for not giving extra's. You also can't really tell if a dancer gives good dances. You can get an idea but it's always going to be a toftt situation. That's the thing about dances though in that they are cheap. You get one and if it's not good you stop. I've even stopped early in the one dance just to show my dissatisfaction. I'm not sure how the dancer at scores took $80 from you for dances. If the first dance sucked why did you continue? Maybe I'm missing something. One thing is you should NEVER do a room without doing a dance first. If they try and rush you into a room and skip the dance that's about the biggest red flag you can get. That's the big NO, NO thing that she could say. If she was good, she'd do the dance and the dance would be so good that you'd want to do a room.

Was at Fantasies Saturday afternoon, have not been there in a long time. The talent wasn't bad. There was a milfy brazilian with a great rack that was being monopolized by some rich guy but I did get a lap dance from her, not bad but she was spoiled.

There was also some blond guy there who looked lime he might have been homeless but he was all over several of the dancers especially Marly, it was a fun show to watch, anyone else see this show?

[QUOTE=GuyFrom;3051837]Took a trip from Massachusetts which included boring 1 hr ride. Noticed there were new faces and I was hoping new faces would equal better experience. I got lapdances from 3 different girls all 3 quoted me $200 - $250 for champagne room which I turned all down because of the first lapdance.

First lap dance was a tall good looking blonde Brazilian which turned into the worse lap dance I ever got and probably can get better lap dance in Massachusetts. AVOID tall blonde Brazilian at all costs guys, but local RI guys are probably all are aware and can spot a hustler from a mile away. I only lost $80, but would of enjoyed throwing the same amount of money down the toilet than giving it to this girl.

Second and third lap dance was from helena and cieara. Both of the girls gave decent contact lap dance and encouraged champagne room, but I turned down because I was afraid there would serious up sell.

I have some questions for the local guys about strip club rules.

What does the quoted champagne room price get you, does it include everything or is there more up sell?

Should you ask about the amount of contact for a lap dance?

Do you look for anything she says that is a big NO NO?

Should you report a girl to a bouncer, manager or somebody if she is more a hustler than a striper?

Thanks Guys.[/QUOTE]Everything Iamioman and Latin Hunt posted below is 100% right on the money. However I have a rule with all providers and this includes BP girls, CL girls, SW's and especially dancers since dancers seem to scam more than the other categories in my experience. After doing a lap dance and a test drive if she wishes to pursue extras in the CR I always explain exactly what I am looking for and what I want including CIM and how much it will be. IF she agrees I show her the money and tell her I never pay up front and if she does everything as promised she gets the agreed price when finished. I have found that most any girl who is not a scammer will agree to that and if they do I am almost guaranteed that I will get the best performance they have to offer since they will do everything they can to please you to make sure they get the money and possibly a tip if they are exceptional. Once in a while they will resist, especially if it is the first time out, but they never ask for the money up front after the first time out for a repeat performance. With that in mind I have only been scammed once ever because against my better judgement my little head took over the big head. That one time was with the Pawtucket slam pig that lived over the bar who I reported a year ago on here many times and warned everybody about. She promised BBBJCIM and when I got there she said no way. I said give me my money back and she said no after hiding it in the other room but she did take all her clothes off and said you can fuck me BB but no BBBJ. She laid out on the bed naked spread her legs and was so nasty and dirty I decided to walk out instead of fucking her and I told her I was going to tell everyone on the internet that she lied unless she gave me my money. She said no so I walked out and posted what she did at least 4 different times when some one started asking about this CL girl. Another time a long while back I went into a CR with Janet at CF. She promised I would get everything I asked for but when we got into the CR she starts taking her clothes off so I start taking my pants off and she says what are you doing because I don't do any sex!! She had just agreed to BBBJCIM and CFS! Bear in mind I had not given her the money up front so I immediately put my pants on and walked right out of the CR. She comes out of the CR screaming to the bouncer that I ripped her off and didn't pay her. I told the bouncer I walked out the first minute and we did nothing at all not even a dance and that she owed me 30 dollars for the CR fee! He said it was her problem and he wasn't throwing me out. She outright lied so she got no money. I saved myself a $ scam. Another example was a few months ago I picked up a SW. We got to area 51 for a 40 dollar BBBJCIM. I pulled my cock out and she said before I start I need the cash up front. I zipped my pants, started my vehicle up and proceeded to bring her back to the street I picked her up on. She said where are you going. I said I am taking you back since I told you money on completion. She says yes but not the first time you could rip me off. I said well I guess you will never know. She then says ok, ok, go back to the spot and you better pay me when I am finished because I really need the cash. So I went back and she gave me a great BBBJCIM and didn't rush me! I told her if she rushed me or stopped after 2 minutes or told me to hurry up and get off, no money. She didn't and I gave her a 10 dollar tip. The word gets out with these girls and all the ones I know never ask me for money up front ever because they know I will walk away go to plan B or C with another girl. So there it is, NEVER PAY UP FRONT AND SAY SO! If they ***** a little or resist tell them this. When you go to a restaurant and order filet-mignon and spend an hour having fun and drinks, do they demand the money up front? If so they would be out of business.

Thanks for the quick and informative response everybody, I really do appreciate it and my few trips over the years definitely makes me a walking target in the club.

[QUOTE=LatinHunt;3053105]You can't report dancers for not giving extra's. You also can't really tell if a dancer gives good dances. You can get an idea but it's always going to be a toftt situation. That's the thing about dances though in that they are cheap. You get one and if it's not good you stop. I've even stopped early in the one dance just to show my dissatisfaction. I'm not sure how the dancer at scores took $80 from you for dances. If the first dance sucked why did you continue? Maybe I'm missing something. One thing is you should NEVER do a room without doing a dance first. If they try and rush you into a room and skip the dance that's about the biggest red flag you can get. That's the big NO, NO thing that she could say. If she was good, she'd do the dance and the dance would be so good that you'd want to do a room.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I was not detailed enough about what happened which would of shown all of the red flags from step 1.

This attractive tall blonde girl with nice shape approached me and asked me if I wanted to go to champagne room for $200 to have some fun. I asked how much a lap dance was and got $40 naked reply which I agreed to. We went upstairs and she asked me for the money first, so she can pay the girl on the cash machine, I had no problems with this initially because I thought it might be the new rule with the name change. I decided to get 2 dances because she was attractive and did not want to interrupt the dance. I gave her the money and she did not go and pay the cashier and started to take her top off. After taking her bra off before doing any kind of dance move she leaned into my ear and said lets go downstairs $200 for 20 min, which I replied not now and want dance first. She started dancing and very light grinding where I grabbed her behind and noticed she moved my hands, which I did not think much about. Maybe 15-20 seconds later I touched her breasts and she moved my hands and said "I was moving to fast", I was confused at this moment because I have never had negative feedback at the lounge for this kind of contact. I waited a little longer and slowly grabbed her tits without any real squeeze and she moved my hands really fast and she told me she was scared because she thought I was going to squeeze really hard. At this moment we are still in first song and I'm really confused. She starts grinding me lightly and I touch her thighs, again she moves my hands and tells me I'm moving to fast. While all of this is happening she mentioned champagne room 2-3 times to my ear. After the 3rd time I put my hands up against the wall, she replies what is this? I told her I'm not touching you and she doesn't have to worry about anything. After hearing what I say she stands up and says "we're done" and I asked for the second dance money because the first one did not even finish. Once I asked for the money for the second dance she raised her voice and said " you already paid for the second dance " to which I replied than dance all the while I had my hands up against the wall I was leaning on. During the second dance I barely looked at her and when I did look, I noticed she had one negative look after another. Things got so bad that my erection went 100% - 0% while hot naked blonde was dancing in front of me with light grinds. About middle of the second dance she unzips my pants and tries grabbing the little guy and tells me " don't worry I will only charge $100 and nobody will even know", I immediately grabbed her hands and said " I was all set and she was moving to fast". Once this happened she stood up and said we were done, I immediately got up and said "peace" before walking downstairs.

Everything I explained above happened in 3-5 minutes.

[QUOTE=CadillaCock;3053807]Everything Iamioman and Latin Hunt posted below is 100% right on the money. However I have a rule with all providers and this includes BP girls, CL girls, SW's and especially dancers since dancers seem to scam more than the other categories in my experience. After doing a lap dance and a test drive if she wishes to pursue extras in the CR I always explain exactly what I am looking for and what I want including CIM and how much it will be. IF she agrees I show her the money and tell her I never pay up front and if she does everything as promised she gets the agreed price when finished. I have found that most any girl who is not a scammer will agree to that and if they do I am almost guaranteed that I will get the best performance they have to offer since they will do everything they can to please you to make sure they get the money and possibly a tip if they are exceptional. Once in a while they will resist, especially if it is the first time out, but they never ask for the money up front after the first time out for a repeat performance. With that in mind I have only been scammed once ever because against my better judgement my little head took over the big head. That one time was with the Pawtucket slam pig that lived over the bar who I reported a year ago on here many times and warned everybody about. She promised BBBJCIM and when I got there she said no way. I said give me my money back and she said no after hiding it in the other room but she did take all her clothes off and said you can fuck me BB but no BBBJ. She laid out on the bed naked spread her legs and was so nasty and dirty I decided to walk out instead of fucking her and I told her I was going to tell everyone on the internet that she lied unless she gave me my money. She said no so I walked out and posted what she did at least 4 different times when some one started asking about this CL girl. Another time a long while back I went into a CR with Janet at CF. She promised I would get everything I asked for but when we got into the CR she starts taking her clothes off so I start taking my pants off and she says what are you doing because I don't do any sex!! She had just agreed to BBBJCIM and CFS! Bear in mind I had not given her the money up front so I immediately put my pants on and walked right out of the CR. She comes out of the CR screaming to the bouncer that I ripped her off and didn't pay her. I told the bouncer I walked out the first minute and we did nothing at all not even a dance and that she owed me 30 dollars for the CR fee! He said it was her problem and he wasn't throwing me out. She outright lied so she got no money. I saved myself a $ scam. Another example was a few months ago I picked up a SW. We got to area 51 for a 40 dollar BBBJCIM. I pulled my cock out and she said before I start I need the cash up front. I zipped my pants, started my vehicle up and proceeded to bring her back to the street I picked her up on. She said where are you going. I said I am taking you back since I told you money on completion. She says yes but not the first time you could rip me off. I said well I guess you will never know. She then says ok, ok, go back to the spot and Janet delivered. you better pay me when I am finished because I really need the cash. So I went back and she gave me a great BBBJCIM and didn't rush me! I told her if she rushed me or stopped after 2 minutes or told me to hurry up and get off, no money. She didn't and I gave her a 10 dollar tip. The word gets out with these girls and all the ones I know never ask me for money up front ever because they know I will walk away go to plan B or C with another girl. So there it is, NEVER PAY UP FRONT AND SAY SO! If they ***** a little or resist tell them this. When you go to a restaurant and order filet-mignon and spend an hour having fun and drinks, do they demand the money up front? If so they would be out of business.[/QUOTE]Wow. I thought Janet delivered.

[QUOTE=Puckster;3054087]Wow. I thought Janet delivered.[/QUOTE]Of course you did and so didn't I, She has been at CF for years and her LD's are excellent and shall we say fun so everybody including you, myself and many more figure since she does a great LD she will do extras in the CR. When asked she will agree to extras but of course that is all part of her scam for years now. Also I would like to ask GuyFrom member below if he remembers the name of the blonde Brazilian girl at Scores / CL? His story is a typical stripper scam and he would have received nothing in the CR for extras. If he can get a name I will go to Scores and play along with her stripper scam and see what she does when I get her to promise BBBJCIM and that I will only deliver payment after completion in her mouth! Believe it or not if they need the cash bad enough and it is a very slow day or they are chasing the dragon some of the scammers will submit especially if they know a BBBJ is the only way to get your cash and some will even get so desperate that they will go from $$$ to $$ to $ !! But, another rule of thumb, never act like you are in a rush or have to have extras asap. Remember time is money to these girls and they want to close the deal especially if they already put in a half hour or more of time and have only received a drink from you. Act like you have all day and you will just go see your regular girl if they don't agree with any of your conditions or requirements.

[QUOTE=Yellowfever023;3053762]Was at Fantasies Saturday afternoon, have not been there in a long time. The talent wasn't bad. There was a milfy brazilian with a great rack that was being monopolized by some rich guy but I did get a lap dance from her, not bad but she was spoiled.

There was also some blond guy there who looked lime he might have been homeless but he was all over several of the dancers especially Marly, it was a fun show to watch, anyone else see this show?[/QUOTE]Was his name Mike? I heard the bartender call him that. OMG that guy was out of control. I saw him clawing at girls trying to pull their bottoms down as they walked by his stool. One distinct thing I noticed about him was that the beer never left his hand even when he was hugging girls he wouldn't put it down LOL. Some of the girls did not seem too pleased with his advances. I also saw him trying to bum money from other customers out in the smoking area. He appeared to be quite hammered. He was a certified train wreck.

[QUOTE=CadillaCock;3054569]Of course you did and so didn't I, She has been at CF for years and her LD's are excellent and shall we say fun so everybody including you, myself and many more figure since she does a great LD she will do extras in the CR. When asked she will agree to extras but of course that is all part of her scam for years now. Also I would like to ask GuyFrom member below if he remembers the name of the blonde Brazilian girl at Scores / CL? His story is a typical stripper scam and he would have received nothing in the CR for extras. If he can get a name I will go to Scores and play along with her stripper scam and see what she does when I get her to promise BBBJCIM and that I will only deliver payment after completion in her mouth! Believe it or not if they need the cash bad enough and it is a very slow day or they are chasing the dragon some of the scammers will submit especially if they know a BBBJ is the only way to get your cash and some will even get so desperate that they will go from $$$ to $$ to $ !! But, another rule of thumb, never act like you are in a rush or have to have extras asap. Remember time is money to these girls and they want to close the deal especially if they already put in a half hour or more of time and have only received a drink from you. Act like you have all day and you will just go see your regular girl if they don't agree with any of your conditions or requirements.[/QUOTE]Cadillac- Do you know this girl Lux? She's got a great look, but has all the markings of a scammer. Curious if she's worth spending some dough on.

[QUOTE=GuyFrom;3053842]
Sorry, I was not detailed enough about what happened which would of shown all of the red flags from step 1.

This attractive tall blonde girl with nice shape approached me and asked me if I wanted to go to champagne room for $200 to have some fun. I asked how much a lap dance was and got $40 naked reply which I agreed to. We went upstairs and she asked me for the money first, so she can pay the girl on the cash machine, I had no problems with this initially because I thought it might be the new rule with the name change. I decided to get 2 dances because she was attractive and did not want to interrupt the dance. I gave her the money and she did not go and pay the cashier and started to take her top off. After taking her bra off before doing any kind of dance move she leaned into my ear and said lets go downstairs $200 for 20 min, which I replied not now and want dance first. She started dancing and very light grinding where I grabbed her behind and noticed she moved my hands, which I did not think much about. Maybe 15-20 seconds later I touched her breasts and she moved my hands and said "I was moving to fast", I was confused at this moment because I have never had negative feedback at the lounge for this kind of contact. I waited a little longer and slowly grabbed her tits without any real squeeze and she moved my hands really fast and she told me she was scared because she thought I was going to squeeze really hard. At this moment we are still in first song and I'm really confused. She starts grinding me lightly and I touch her thighs, again she moves my hands and tells me I'm moving to fast. While all of this is happening she mentioned champagne room 2-3 times to my ear. After the 3rd time I put my hands up against the wall, she replies what is this? I told her I'm not touching you and she doesn't have to worry about anything. After hearing what I say she stands up and says "we're done" and I asked for the second dance money because the first one did not even finish. Once I asked for the money for the second dance she raised her voice and said " you already paid for the second dance " to which I replied than dance all the while I had my hands up against the wall I was leaning on. During the second dance I barely looked at her and when I did look, I noticed she had one negative look after another. Things got so bad that my erection went 100% - 0% while hot naked blonde was dancing in front of me with light grinds. About middle of the second dance she unzips my pants and tries grabbing the little guy and tells me " don't worry I will only charge $100 and nobody will even know", I immediately grabbed her hands and said " I was all set and she was moving to fast". Once this happened she stood up and said we were done, I immediately got up and said "peace" before walking downstairs.

Everything I explained above happened in 3-5 minutes.[/QUOTE]All I can say is WOW, and that I'm sorry that happened to you. She sounds like a real pro with that "moving too fast" bullshit.

[QUOTE=CadillaCock;3053807]Everything Iamioman and Latin Hunt posted below is 100% right on the money. However I have a rule with all providers and this includes BP girls, CL girls, SW's and especially dancers since dancers seem to scam more than the other categories in my experience. After doing a lap dance and a test drive if she wishes to pursue extras in the CR I always explain exactly what I am looking for and what I want including CIM and how much it will be. IF she agrees I show her the money and tell her I never pay up front and if she does everything as promised she gets the agreed price when finished. I have found that most any girl who is not a scammer will agree to that and if they do I am almost guaranteed that I will get the best performance they have to offer since they will do everything they can to please you to make sure they get the money and possibly a tip if they are exceptional. Once in a while they will resist, especially if it is the first time out, but they never ask for the money up front after the first time out for a repeat performance. With that in mind I have only been scammed once ever because against my better judgement my little head took over the big head. That one time was with the Pawtucket slam pig that lived over the bar who I reported a year ago on here many times and warned everybody about. She promised BBBJCIM and when I got there she said no way. I said give me my money back and she said no after hiding it in the other room but she did take all her clothes off and said you can fuck me BB but no BBBJ. She laid out on the bed naked spread her legs and was so nasty and dirty I decided to walk out instead of fucking her and I told her I was going to tell everyone on the internet that she lied unless she gave me my money. She said no so I walked out and posted what she did at least 4 different times when some one started asking about this CL girl. Another time a long while back I went into a CR with Janet at CF. She promised I would get everything I asked for but when we got into the CR she starts taking her clothes off so I start taking my pants off and she says what are you doing because I don't do any sex!! She had just agreed to BBBJCIM and CFS! Bear in mind I had not given her the money up front so I immediately put my pants on and walked right out of the CR. She comes out of the CR screaming to the bouncer that I ripped her off and didn't pay her. I told the bouncer I walked out the first minute and we did nothing at all not even a dance and that she owed me 30 dollars for the CR fee! He said it was her problem and he wasn't throwing me out. She outright lied so she got no money. I saved myself a $ scam. Another example was a few months ago I picked up a SW. We got to area 51 for a 40 dollar BBBJCIM. I pulled my cock out and she said before I start I need the cash up front. I zipped my pants, started my vehicle up and proceeded to bring her back to the street I picked her up on. She said where are you going. I said I am taking you back since I told you money on completion. She says yes but not the first time you could rip me off. I said well I guess you will never know. She then says ok, ok, go back to the spot and you better pay me when I am finished because I really need the cash. So I went back and she gave me a great BBBJCIM and didn't rush me! I told her if she rushed me or stopped after 2 minutes or told me to hurry up and get off, no money. She didn't and I gave her a 10 dollar tip. The word gets out with these girls and all the ones I know never ask me for money up front ever because they know I will walk away go to plan B or C with another girl. So there it is, NEVER PAY UP FRONT AND SAY SO! If they ***** a little or resist tell them this. When you go to a restaurant and order filet-mignon and spend an hour having fun and drinks, do they demand the money up front? If so they would be out of business.[/QUOTE]CadillaCock has given me solid advice and leads in the past and have paid off. I highly rate his word. Hopefully the time will come when I can repay with a solid lead. But that may be hard as he is way ahead of me in the pussy count. Others on here have definitely helped to and I am not trying to discount their advice and info. But Cadilla has definitely been my mentor thus far as I'm kind of new to the game and don't play much. Don't mean to sound like a brown noser because that's what I would think too but I'm just giving credit where credit is definitely due.

I would have missed out on a lot of good dreams if I followed this rule. It's a good rule to follow if you're TOFTT. But when it comes to reviewed ladies, this is not a good rule. The problem is that there are many guys who are complete jerks and cause the girls to become jaded or careful. If I trust the reviewer and the review, then I go in and pay upfront for my dream. I've very rarely had to regret that approach.

[QUOTE=CadillaCock;3053807]Everything Iamioman and Latin Hunt posted below is 100% right on the money. However I have a rule with all providers and this includes BP girls, CL girls, SW's and especially dancers since dancers seem to scam more than the other categories in my experience. After doing a lap dance and a test drive if she wishes to pursue extras in the CR I always explain exactly what I am looking for and what I want including CIM and how much it will be. IF she agrees I show her the money and tell her I never pay up front and if she does everything as promised she gets the agreed price when finished. I have found that most any girl who is not a scammer will agree to that and if they do I am almost guaranteed that I will get the best performance they have to offer since they will do everything they can to please you to make sure they get the money and possibly a tip if they are exceptional. Once in a while they will resist, especially if it is the first time out, but they never ask for the money up front after the first time out for a repeat performance. With that in mind I have only been scammed once ever because against my better judgement my little head took over the big head. That one time was with the Pawtucket slam pig that lived over the bar who I reported a year ago on here many times and warned everybody about. She promised BBBJCIM and when I got there she said no way. I said give me my money back and she said no after hiding it in the other room but she did take all her clothes off and said you can fuck me BB but no BBBJ. She laid out on the bed naked spread her legs and was so nasty and dirty I decided to walk out instead of fucking her and I told her I was going to tell everyone on the internet that she lied unless she gave me my money. She said no so I walked out and posted what she did at least 4 different times when some one started asking about this CL girl. Another time a long while back I went into a CR with Janet at CF. She promised I would get everything I asked for but when we got into the CR she starts taking her clothes off so I start taking my pants off and she says what are you doing because I don't do any sex!! She had just agreed to BBBJCIM and CFS! Bear in mind I had not given her the money up front so I immediately put my pants on and walked right out of the CR. She comes out of the CR screaming to the bouncer that I ripped her off and didn't pay her. I told the bouncer I walked out the first minute and we did nothing at all not even a dance and that she owed me 30 dollars for the CR fee! He said it was her problem and he wasn't throwing me out. She outright lied so she got no money. I saved myself a $ scam. Another example was a few months ago I picked up a SW. We got to area 51 for a 40 dollar BBBJCIM. I pulled my cock out and she said before I start I need the cash up front. I zipped my pants, started my vehicle up and proceeded to bring her back to the street I picked her up on. She said where are you going. I said I am taking you back since I told you money on completion. She says yes but not the first time you could rip me off. I said well I guess you will never know. She then says ok, ok, go back to the spot and you better pay me when I am finished because I really need the cash. So I went back and she gave me a great BBBJCIM and didn't rush me! I told her if she rushed me or stopped after 2 minutes or told me to hurry up and get off, no money. She didn't and I gave her a 10 dollar tip. The word gets out with these girls and all the ones I know never ask me for money up front ever because they know I will walk away go to plan B or C with another girl. So there it is, NEVER PAY UP FRONT AND SAY SO! If they ***** a little or resist tell them this. When you go to a restaurant and order filet-mignon and spend an hour having fun and drinks, do they demand the money up front? If so they would be out of business.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PaulGlenlivet;3055268]I would have missed out on a lot of good dreams if I followed this rule. It's a good rule to follow if you're TOFTT. But when it comes to reviewed ladies, this is not a good rule. The problem is that there are many guys who are complete jerks and cause the girls to become jaded or careful. If I trust the reviewer and the review, then I go in and pay upfront for my dream. I've very rarely had to regret that approach.[/QUOTE]My only experience was at Cheaters, it was the only strip club in Providence I went to regularly before it closed. But I had a LOT of booth hours in there, LOL! There were VERY few girls that I did not already know (in the biblical sense, LOL!) that would go in the booth and do ANYTHING beyond an expensive lap dance w / o pre-payment. But I found that, after about 15 years experience in there, the apprroximate percentage of ROBS (defined here as failure to provide promised services) was about 25%. In other words, about 1 out of 4 of the girls at Cheaters were TOTALLY dishonest in my estimation. Especially in the later years when half the girls in there were on hard drugs. My only other extensive club experiences I had were in Florida. The percentage of ROBS in those FL clubs was, I think, just about he same--about 25%. And those goes back 20 years.

But as for NOT agreeing on services IN DETAIL before going in the 'champaign room"well, IMHO, your odds of getting ANY decent service go WAY WAY down. Thats why I've NEVER gone into a booth with a girl for at least 20 years without pinning her down on EXACTLY what services would be performed!

In other words, I learned the hard way. : (.

[QUOTE=PaulGlenlivet;3055268]I would have missed out on a lot of good dreams if I followed this rule. It's a good rule to follow if you're TOFTT. But when it comes to reviewed ladies, this is not a good rule. The problem is that there are many guys who are complete jerks and cause the girls to become jaded or careful. If I trust the reviewer and the review, then I go in and pay upfront for my dream. I've very rarely had to regret that approach.[/QUOTE]If paying up front with a good reviewed provider works for you so be it and usually it will if she has been rated well by others but sooner or later you will get a bad experience or poor performance especially with strippers. Why, because when they already have your money they can pull every trick in the book even if they deliver what you asked for, such as not giving you enough time for what you paid for or not providing top quality service even though they can or could. All I am saying is when you pay up front the cards are all in her favor but if you don't pay up front the cards are all in your favor. You also said you very rarely had to regret your approach and my answer to that is if I don't pay up front I will never regret my approach because if she doesn't deliver as promised she won't get paid. That being said any exceptional provider will never ask for the money up front if as you said you are not a jerk while negotiating. I will agree with you that the approach and the art of the deal is everything on them trusting you to pay when finished. If in fact they think you are a loser with no money or you look like shit, or you are dressed poorly, or not freshly showered, or not shaved and smelling good and not clean and you talk like a neanderthal instead of a gentleman than YES they will definitely insist you pay up front. As for what you said about missing out on a lot of good dreams I can honestly say it seldom happens to me and the very few that do refuse my offer of payment after the fun all I can say is two things. I probably would not have been totally satisfied with the total time agreed to or the quality of the service even if she delivered what she promised and last but not least I have no problem walking away since for every one in fifty that turn you down and say no there are twenty more new or better prospects ready and willing to accept the deal. Weather I spend 40 or 50 bucks for a simple BBBJCIM or $, $$, or $$$ for an hour or two of around the world fun from top to bottom with the best filet-mignon there is out there I always get my moneys worth paying when finished. Finally I would say that I actually don't recommend this to anyone new in the game or doesn't know the 1001 tricks that providers play or have little time to negotiate. I actually love to spend as much time as I can talking and negotiating a deal with a provider for a play date before I pull the trigger. That is one reason why I mostly prefer UTR providers over strippers and BP hoes. Some will spend hours with you for free, become a great friend and only charge you for the sex. As CS used to say, I don't pay them for sex, I pay them to leave! I agree with him because if a UTR girl really likes you she won't want you to leave. Most BP hoes and strippers want you out the door so they can get the next guy in the door. I rarely waste my time anymore with BP girls or strippers. The exception to this rule is Destiny because she states exactly what you will get for a very low price of 40 to 50 bucks which is a BBBJCIM ONLY but she is one of the best QV providers around since she is pretty and clean and has a safe place and very good at what she does. This girl is basically giving you a free BBBJCIM since a motel room is 40 or more! Last but not least I can't forget Nikki Lee another exception to the rule. There will never ever be a SW as hot and as sexy as Nikki. She will go down in the sexual history archives as the greatest hottest sexiest SW of all times. I always give her a tip but somehow I always feel like she is worth much more.

CC, you make some great points. In the TOFTT world you're spot on and I wouldn't have it any other way. And if you have unlimited time for mongering, then also you're spot on. If I'm TOFTT I totally try to pay on delivery (POD). Many of the best reviewed providers won't even bring it up, so I end up doing POD without having planned on it. But there's a real big contingent of reviewed providers in the middle of those two extremes where if I were to insist on POD I would miss out on an awesome, well reviewed provider for no good reason. Individual trust factor (clean, well dressed, smelling good, looking like you ain't some loser) is huge, and I agree. But generally, I'm already asking for so many extras that adding one more for no good reason is just not a great idea. It could end up being the last straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. Also, I don't usually have unlimited time for mongering (maybe one day soon I will, LOL). So, I have to pick my battles (I mean dreams) carefully. Happy mongering you all.

[QUOTE=CadillaCock;3056898]If paying up front with a good reviewed provider works for you so be it and usually it will if she has been rated well by others but sooner or later you will get a bad experience or poor performance especially with strippers. Why, because when they already have your money they can pull every trick in the book even if they deliver what you asked for, such as not giving you enough time for what you paid for or not providing top quality service even though they can or could. All I am saying is when you pay up front the cards are all in her favor but if you don't pay up front the cards are all in your favor. You also said you very rarely had to regret your approach and my answer to that is if I don't pay up front I will never regret my approach because if she doesn't deliver as promised she won't get paid. That being said any exceptional provider will never ask for the money up front if as you said you are not a jerk while negotiating. I will agree with you that the approach and the art of the deal is everything on them trusting you to pay when finished. If in fact they think you are a loser with no money or you look like shit, or you are dressed poorly, or not freshly showered, or not shaved and smelling good and not clean and you talk like a neanderthal instead of a gentleman than YES they will definitely insist you pay up front. As for what you said about missing out on a lot of good dreams I can honestly say it seldom happens to me and the very few that do refuse my offer of payment after the fun all I can say is two things. I probably would not have been totally satisfied with the total time agreed to or the quality of the service even if she delivered what she promised and last but not least I have no problem walking away since for every one in fifty that turn you down and say no there are twenty more new or better prospects ready and willing to accept the deal. Weather I spend 40 or 50 bucks for a simple BBBJCIM or $, $$, or $$$ for an hour or two of around the world fun from top to bottom with the best filet-mignon there is out there I always get my moneys worth paying when finished. Finally I would say that I actually don't recommend this to anyone new in the game or doesn't know the 1001 tricks that providers play or have little time to negotiate. I actually love to spend as much time as I can talking and negotiating a deal with a provider for a play date before I pull the trigger. That is one reason why I mostly prefer UTR providers over strippers and BP hoes. Some will spend hours with you for free, become a great friend and only charge you for the sex. As CS used to say, I don't pay them for sex, I pay them to leave! I agree with him because if a UTR girl really likes you she won't want you to leave. Most BP hoes and strippers want you out the door so they can get the next guy in the door. I rarely waste my time anymore with BP girls or strippers. The exception to this rule is Destiny because she states exactly what you will get for a very low price of 40 to 50 bucks which is a BBBJCIM ONLY but she is one of the best QV providers around since she is pretty and clean and has a safe place and very good at what she does. This girl is basically giving you a free BBBJCIM since a motel room is 40 or more! Last but not least I can't forget Nikki Lee another exception to the rule. There will never ever be a SW as hot and as sexy as Nikki. She will go down in the sexual history archives as the greatest hottest sexiest SW of all times. I always give her a tip but somehow I always feel like she is worth much more.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PaulGlenlivet;3056943]CC, you make some great points. In the TOFTT world you're spot on and I wouldn't have it any other way. And if you have unlimited time for mongering, then also you're spot on. If I'm TOFTT I totally try to pay on delivery (POD). Many of the best reviewed providers won't even bring it up, so I end up doing POD without having planned on it. But there's a real big contingent of reviewed providers in the middle of those two extremes where if I were to insist on POD I would miss out on an awesome, well reviewed provider for no good reason. Individual trust factor (clean, well dressed, smelling good, looking like you ain't some loser) is huge, and I agree. But generally, I'm already asking for so many extras that adding one more for no good reason is just not a great idea. It could end up being the last straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. Also, I don't usually have unlimited time for mongering (maybe one day soon I will, LOL). So, I have to pick my battles (I mean dreams) carefully. Happy mongering you all.[/QUOTE]How about paying up front and letting them know they can also get a tip if they do a great job. I don't mind adding to the bill if the service is great.