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[QUOTE=VerySlowly; 1568638]A couple of things happened.

1) This guy made the fatal mistake of operating out of the same location for too long, apparently living there as well, which gives him no plausible deniability, and He fell into the trap many fall into (including ladies+ some mongers) that after a while of participating in an Illegal activity they start to think it's OK and drop their guard. It's hard to hit a moving target and a sitting duck is much, much easier to shoot.

2) There was apparent drug activity on the part of at least one of the girls and rumor is that she caved in to pressure, time will tell.

3) We live in an era of high definition miniaturized video surveillance, so creating probable cause for a search warrant is much easier than having to have LE personnel actually having to do a "stakeout".

4) His stupidity in keeping intense records on the premises was what led to the frosting on the cake for the opposition.

In conclusion: So the fact that these men instead of banging their next door neighbor, or someone from work, and maybe falling in love and ruining their family. Sought some female comfort and companionship for an hour from clean and safe ladies in a safe neighborhood. Have had their lives turned upside down by our phony hypocritical society driven by religious mythology and a corrupt system. If their was a "God" in our 14 billion year old cosmos, I would think by now he might be a bit tired of worrying where humans were spreading their seed and swinging down to his mythical hell to watch these men and women burn for eternity.

It amazing to me what human's can be convinced to believe, I'm surprised we didn't elect Bernie Madoff president, after all he paid 12% interest, so he could easily pay off the national debt-VS[/QUOTE]I agree with VS. One additional factor could be that this was being operated in the middle of a residential area. Too many neighbors seeing people coming and going. On the spacecoast, there is PMC that appears similar but it is secluded and in more of a business area. Just my 2 cents.

You cannot operate from the same place, seeing 5 or more people per day. Your neighbors will be your first snitch. If you're in an apartment other than privately owned with off-location management, you're not the brightest crayon in the box either. Any property manager who does their job will know what's going on. They were probably at first suspected of drug activity. That's the way it works. Your neighbors see alot of traffic, they automatically assume drugs.

There are several ways to get to or from my door to the parking lots. There are alot of things to look at when you're renting a place. Do your neighbors work alot? Or will they be home looking out windows?

It's never a good idea to go to a place with multiple providers. Women are catty. Most of the time, if they have gathered together in an incall (more than 2) there is most likely management involved. If there isn't there is bound to be a fallout at some point between the women.

You wouldn't frequent a hotel that is known for activity, why keep putting yourselves in bad situations. Graphic reviews are another thing that kill a providers chances of making it. Keep the dirty details to a minimum. I stopped responding to reviews for one reason, if it lists anything graphic and you respond, you've just admitted to what happened. Now when the provider is caught up and they use that, along with advertising the Jury has a slam-dunk conviction.

Another issue providers don't take into consideration is the fact that most have no other legit income, yet you have just leased a new place, a new car and you're shopping, shopping, shopping. We have the IRS looking into peoples finances on a daily basis. There was recently an operation in Nevada taken down. The IRS was investigating a girl who purchased a new car. She had great credit, but only worked 1 day a week as a hostess at a strip club. They found she had made an estimated 250K that year. 500K a year is possible in this business. I know of a provider here in Orlando seeing 5-7 clients / day. 5 days / wk. On a low scale she's making 325K / year. Think she can continue to blow that kinda cash and go unnoticed?

The key is to not become greedy in this business. When you let greed take over you let your screening and intuition become lax. Pay your bills, and don't be flashy with your cash and toys ladies.

[QUOTE=Dennis0092;1568680]I agree with VS. One additional factor could be that this was being operated in the middle of a residential area. Too many neighbors seeing people coming and going. On the spacecoast, there is PMC that appears similar but it is secluded and in more of a business area. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]I am always on the moe cautous side, I try to get them a ride and get them something to eat first.

[QUOTE=Dennis0092;1568680]I agree with VS. One additional factor could be that this was being operated in the middle of a residential area. Too many neighbors seeing people coming and going. On the spacecoast, there is PMC that appears similar but it is secluded and in more of a business area. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]I may get run out of here for being a hypocrite, but if I was this guy's next door or across the street neighbor and I had a good idea of what was going on, I'd call it in myself. Sorry to say that. But, I know the culture. I've lived a lot of it, and I don't need to see it where I live. That's the risk anyone takes when they cross the line too far.

[QUOTE=Don In Otown;1568939]I may get run out of here for being a hypocrite, but if I was this guy's next door or across the street neighbor and I had a good idea of what was going on, I'd call it in myself. Sorry to say that. But, I know the culture. I've lived a lot of it, and I don't need to see it where I live. That's the risk anyone takes when they cross the line too far.[/QUOTE]In Canada prostitution is legal or at least it has been decriminalized. It is legal as long as the provider doesn't set up a house of prostitution. The government feels that this could damage the neighborhood or lower property values; or something like that. But if the provider does out call or entertains at a hotel the government is alright with it.

[Quote/] Hotrodvf

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There are various ways email can be configured that may or may not keep things on hard drive. Any type of email leaves a trail if authorities want it bad enough. Contrary to popular belief nothing online is truly anonymous. Best you can do is to make effort to find you not worthwhile to them.

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If you are really concerned about E-mail tracking.

Spend about $100 a ygear and get an anonymous offshore e-mail address, I use one in England and one in Canada, they bounce the mail around the world including through servers in Indonesia, unless you're a serious drug dealer, money-launder, etc. And you're only worried about LEO tracking down your ISP # because of the hobby, then you're probably wasting your money. If you transmit confidential financial data etc. It is worth the money, another trick especially with financial info is to break it into several packets I. E. 3 or 4 different messages and / or use an encrypted mail box or both. F. Y. I. The servers for this site are located in Germany. So don't worry be happy-VS

[QUOTE=Don In Otown;1568939]I may get run out of here for being a hypocrite, but if I was this guy's next door or across the street neighbor and I had a good idea of what was going on, I'd call it in myself. Sorry to say that. But, I know the culture. I've lived a lot of it, and I don't need to see it where I live. That's the risk anyone takes when they cross the line too far.[/QUOTE]That is what zoning laws are for. If it is legal, then they would be permitted to open in areas zoned for businesses, Not in residential neighborhoods. I would not accept a hair salon to open in my residential neighborhood.

[QUOTE=GeorgeJ29;1568680]I agree with VS. One additional factor could be that this was being operated in the middle of a residential area. Too many neighbors seeing people coming and going. On the spacecoast, there is PMC that appears similar but it is secluded and in more of a business area. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Well put. It is only a matter to time before PMC gets hit. I visited there once, nice place, very nice staff. Too exposed. A moving target is much harder to hit!

[QUOTE=VerySlowly; 1570815]

[Quote/] Hotrodvf.

Senior Member.

Reports 119.

There are various ways email can be configured that may or may not keep things on hard drive. Any type of email leaves a trail if authorities want it bad enough. Contrary to popular belief nothing online is truly anonymous. Best you can do is to make effort to find you not worthwhile to them.

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If you are really concerned about E-mail tracking.

Spend about $100 a ygear and get an anonymous offshore e-mail address, I use one in England and one in Canada, they bounce the mail around the world including through servers in Indonesia, unless you're a serious drug dealer, money-launder, etc. And you're only worried about LEO tracking down your ISP # because of the hobby, then you're probably wasting your money. If you transmit confidential financial data etc. It is worth the money, another trick especially with financial info is to break it into several packets I. E. 3 or 4 different messages and / or use an encrypted mail box or both. F. Y. I. The servers for this site are located in Germany. So don't worry be happy-VS[/QUOTE]In addition to private IP proxy services, If you want to ensure being anonymous, you can create and use an email address while in a remote location with a public access ISP and never use that email address in a location that you can be traced to. Places like Starbucks, hotels with open access, Barnes and Noble, etc. You can get a cheap internet browsing device like an IPOD Touch or notebook and pull up, for instance, next to a Barnes and Noble and use their internet service with your remote email address. If something bad happens just make sure to destroy and dispose your browsing device and no one can trace the emails to you. Just be sure not to use that email address in any location that can be traced to you.

I periodically change my email address. It does not guarantee anything, but yahoo, for instance, keeps emails and account information for 90 days after you close an account and then makes the memory available to be overwritten. By doing this I somewhat limit my exposure if I get caught to the last time I changed my email address.

[QUOTE=Ziggy1524;1571111]Well put. It is only a matter to time before PMC gets hit. I visited there once, nice place, very nice staff. Too exposed. A moving target is much harder to hit![/QUOTE]PMC has been there over ten years if I'm not mistaken. Not sure how but we all know there are ways to get ignored. I've traveled the state for over 25 years and it is a standard thats been standing a long time.

Stay safe.

Laharvardkid

I don't think so. They must have friends. PMC has been in the same place for about 15 years and they are not real subtle. Now I hope I'm not a jinx because I once said the same thing about Bird's Place and we see how that turned out.

[QUOTE=Ziggy1524;1571111]Well put. It is only a matter to time before PMC gets hit. I visited there once, nice place, very nice staff. Too exposed. A moving target is much harder to hit![/QUOTE]

This county is one of the few places in Florida that seems to "Tolerate" Brothels on some level.

The "Boardroom" operated in Cocoa for many-many years and it was located literally across the street from the police station. It was eventually raided and closed, the owner was a sort of "New Age" space cadet, who used to try and expand the consciousness of her ladies, it was eventually replaces with an AMP, I don't personally think that was an improvement.. This was not the only place in the area. 20 yrs. Ago there were at least two more that I know of.

PMC has survived through two locations. I was told it was because of the Air-Force base and Space Center, these "clubs" are / were literally a semi "Legitimate" center for "Stress Release" that would take the pressure off the young girls in the "straight population" in the area. Remember the "Space Center" in its "Hay Day" had a lot of "geeks" that were not socially adept but were human, at least I think they were, and the AFB has a lot of young guy's ready to party on their leave time, which at that time, meant a lot of guys whispering B. S. Into the ears of the local cuties.

Remember these "Clubs" were formed in a different time when people were far more conservative, at least in public. The words "Hook-Up and "Baby-Daddy" were not yet part of the language. 13 year old girls and boys were not trolling the malls looking for a hookup, middle school girls were no giving head to "protect their virginity" and the most powerful reason of all. There was no Internet-VS

[QUOTE=VerySlowly; 1571743]This county is one of the few places in Florida that seems to "Tolerate" Brothels on some level.

The "Boardroom" operated in Cocoa for many-many years and it was located literally across the street from the police station. It was eventually raided and closed, the owner was a sort of "New Age" space cadet, who used to try and expand the consciousness of her ladies, it was eventually replaces with an AMP, I don't personally think that was an improvement. This was not the only place in the area. 20 yrs. Ago there were at least two more that I know of.

PMC has survived through two locations. I was told it was because of the Air-Force base and Space Center, these "clubs" are / were literally a semi "Legitimate" center for "Stress Release" that would take the pressure off the young girls in the "straight population" in the area. Remember the "Space Center" in its "Hay Day" had a lot of "geeks" that were not socially adept but were human, at least I think they were, and the AFB has a lot of young guy's ready to party on their leave time, which at that time, meant a lot of guys whispering B. S. Into the ears of the local cuties.

Remember these "Clubs" were formed in a different time when people were far more conservative, at least in public. The words "Hook-Up and "Baby-Daddy" were not yet part of the language. 13 year old girls and boys were not trolling the malls looking for a hookup, middle school girls were no giving head to "protect their virginity" and the most powerful reason of all. There was no Internet-VS[/QUOTE]I would add to that list Unforgettable Services that was on 520. Nice place with some hot girls. I liked the fact that they would always "line up" to help you make your choice. Each time that I played golf in Brevard, Unforgettable Services was always part of my game plan.

I remember a place in the same county on US 1 that did it all. It was called X. Also think about how many times the cops in that town have been in trouble.

[QUOTE=PeterPiper52;1571839]I would add to that list Unforgettable Services that was on 520. Nice place with some hot girls. I liked the fact that they would always "line up" to help you make your choice. Each time that I played golf in Brevard, Unforgettable Services was always part of my game plan.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steavt;1572292]I remember a place in the same county on US 1 that did it all. It was called X. Also think about how many times the cops in that town have been in trouble.[/QUOTE]I remember it well, was only there once but I met a great lady who drove from Orlando to work there, She gave me her number and I never had to drive back there again to see her.

There was another place on US1 heading North in a little shopping center on the R / H side, the experience wasn't memorable, however a story about a guy who came in the previous week, sat down while he waited for an attendant to get free, she got free and took him into the room and told him to get comfortable and he did and when she returned, she said that he seemed to be sleeping, well he took the ultimate nap, and the girls panicked but the "Manager" had the presence of mind to get the girls to help him re-dress the fellow and they took him back to the waiting area and called the cops.

They were re-living the incident while I was there and who knows if it was true but it sounded real to me hearing the story. What a way to go, to bad it was before rather than after, but during would have been a disaster for the girl, for sure-VS

For a number of reasons, I have decided to drop out of the hobby. I have enjoyed the camaraderie of the group here. It's just time for me to move on. Maybe I will come back at some point, but not for the foreseeable future. I will keep this account open in case I need to PM anyone. Your advice and comments have been a source of enjoyment on a lot of levels over the past few years. Have fun!

I guess you and I share the same feeling! Farewell to you and as you I have kind of stayed away but keep this open to keep in contact with the friend I have made here.

Good luck to you and keep in touch.

Best wishes for you!

EE

[QUOTE=Vankleek;1576749]For a number of reasons, I have decided to drop out of the hobby. I have enjoyed the camaraderie of the group here. It's just time for me to move on. Maybe I will come back at some point, but not for the foreseeable future. I will keep this account open in case I need to PM anyone. Your advice and comments have been a source of enjoyment on a lot of levels over the past few years. Have fun![/QUOTE]I hope things go well for you in life, Vankleek. Your keen insights, great reviews and good observations will certainly be missed. Good luck to you and thanks for everything.

I'm putting up this message on behalf of Kim (And no I am not her Manager, lets stop that BS before it starts)

Kim is very busy at the moment with far more requests than she can accommodate, Between the Phone, Texts, Pm's and the internet, she cannot respond to everything. So getting an appointment may be a little difficult, but keep trying, she feels everyone deserves the courtesy of a fun, loving experience and will not compromise her sessions to rush you in and out, she thinks to much of herself and her friends to do that. If you go you will have a fun, fulfilling experience and there will not be another gent coming in as you are leaving, your security and hers is very important to her.

This Message has been approved by VerySlowly, Barack Obama and Mitt Romney (But only when he is wearing his magical underwear) Sorry, I couldn't resist-VS

[QUOTE=VerySlowly; 1578271]I'm putting up this message on behalf of Kim (And no I am not her Manager, lets stop that BS before it starts)

Kim is very busy at the moment with far more requests than she can accommodate, Between the Phone, Texts, Pm's and the internet, she cannot respond to everything. So getting an appointment may be a little difficult, but keep trying, she feels everyone deserves the courtesy of a fun, loving experience and will not compromise her sessions to rush you in and out, she thinks to much of herself and her friends to do that. If you go you will have a fun, fulfilling experience and there will not be another gent coming in as you are leaving, your security and hers is very important to her.

This Message has been approved by VerySlowly, Barack Obama and Mitt Romney (But only when he is wearing his magical underwear) Sorry, I couldn't resist-VS[/QUOTE]Thank you my dear friend I'm glad I voiced my concerns to you because you could help me have people understand that I want them all to have a amazing time- no acceptions! I love you all and hope to see each one of you! Keep calling- keep texting, I promise I will always make time for each one of you!

Xoxo.

Kim.

PS (thanks for pointing out your not my manager! . I am a unmanaged, no pimp, nothing. I am INDEPENDANT and plan to keep it that way! Lets have fun and play safe boys!) xoxo kim

I'm driving down a local road when a pickup is in front of me in the left hand lane. I'm in the right lane. We stop at a redlight and I look over at the pickup. He has a lot of bumper stickers. One of them read, "I LOVE crack wh*res." The guy beside me sees it, sticks his head out of the window and takes a picture with his phone. Are you guys mongers on here? I got such a kick out of the whole thing, LMAO.

Hi everyone! I being receivingr a lot of love from USASG lately! Thank you so much! , also I Being notice a lot of new members and I feel like I should let them now a little about the how this hobby works. First I don't party, if you want to see me it's going to be in my incall, no clubbing or "hangout". Second I really don't care how you hot you look, you going to have the same great dream, no matter if you are tall, short, big, skinny, mature, or young. This is not match. Com, this is how hobbyist share good or bad experience. Just want to be clear.

Happy Hinting!

Xoxoxoxxoxo Joan.

Went to see this provider last week. Everything is extra. You can only choose one position if you want variation you will have to pay. No BJ. And the worse part she tell you that after the donation is locked in the safe. Won't repeat.

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[QUOTE=TheReal; 1582513]Went to see this provider last week. Everything is extra. You can only choose one position if you want variation you will have to pay. No BJ. And the worse part she tell you that after the donation is locked in the safe. Won't repeat.

[url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/strawberry-19/7273852[/url][/QUOTE]Many of us have been hearing the same thing for years. However, when we show up we are greated with a glass of wine and engaging conversation.

Often when your mileage varies, you should blame the driver, not the car.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent; 1582808]Many of us have been hearing the same thing for years. However, when we show up we are greated with a glass of wine and engaging conversation.

Often when your mileage varies, you should blame the driver, not the car.[/QUOTE]I love that when you read totally different experiences from the same ladies. It sure seems like to me regardless of what these women are doing if you treat them with respect and are honest and upfront with them without trying to manipulate them, you more times than not have a good to great experience. I learned the hard way early that I cannot just abuse these ladies just becuase I am having a bad day and expect them to deal with me favorably. If I treat people like shatthen I will get treated like shat.

Hey Orlando, I am staying in the airport hotel area the last week of November, and am looking for some local fun. I'm not sure this is the best thread to post my request in, so please redirect me if needed. I will be w / o car and looking for incall near airport hotels or outcall. Please pm or respond with any helpful info, and feel free to hit me up for any MA info if traveling. I'll continue to RTF until my arrival, but figured this might get the ball rolling.

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Exec Talent; 1582808]Many of us have been hearing the same thing for years. However, when we show up we are greated with a glass of wine and engaging conversation.

Often when your mileage varies, you should blame the driver, not the car.[/QUOTE]True But there was not a HOWS MY DRIVING sight to put my input about this provider. Except for here.

[QUOTE=TheReal;1583206]True But there was not a HOWS MY DRIVING sight to put my input about this provider. Except for here.[/QUOTE]ET (Exec Talent) is an arse and he has been tossing out the same insult for years. You contributed more to this forum in your first post than ET has in his last several hundred posts. Just ignore ET. Thanks for sharing some useful info with your fellow mongers.

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Anybody see her

[QUOTE=Otwist;1583582]ET (Exec Talent) is an arse and he has been tossing out the same insult for years. You contributed more to this forum in your first post than ET has in his last several hundred posts. Just ignore ET. Thanks for sharing some useful info with your fellow mongers.[/QUOTE]Thanks for clearing that up for me as well OT. Being new to this board I assumed that because someone has a lot of posts that their information is more valid than someone who has fewer posts. Lesson learned.

Honestly Exec it's mostly about the $$ most people that get better service if they tip better. Another is no return business go back more than once and see some of these regulars that post on here or any indi girl on this site and your services will increase. It's not about your looks or how good you are in bed 95% of these girls could care less and I bet more than 50% of them prefer females anyways one of your ATF's you usto mention Exec was a big actor with every man because she is a Lesbian and could barely stand men. I know this because she left the game and I am still friends with her and I recently met her and her girlfriend LOL. Yes I do become friend with some of these women. I find many of them to be very interesting and fun people to hang out with.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent; 1582808]Many of us have been hearing the same thing for years. However, when we show up we are greated with a glass of wine and engaging conversation.

Often when your mileage varies, you should blame the driver, not the car.[/QUOTE]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]210138[/ATTACH]Gal on west side. 30 or so wf. 135# or so,

Nice looking gal. 8 perhaps.

As usual Sr. Members only.

She is near 50 and Powers, can host but has son in school so mornings till 3 but ya'll figure that out.

Don't ask me about $ or what ever, I'll share email only

The rest as they say is between 2 consenting adults, LOL

[QUOTE=SteveNDallas; 1583677][url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/mature-redhead-lake-marymaitland-75-to-175-incall-special-outcall-available-43/3653030[/url]

Anybody see her[/QUOTE]Check your mail.

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I don't know if any of you knew her but "Nichole" or "Nikkey" as she sometimes called herself died on the 22nd of this month. She was a very nice girl who like so many was in an abusive relationship and suppressed her feelings by self medicating. She actually used her real name and danced in the high end clubs in Daytona. We spoke last about 3 weeks ago and she was trying desperately to get away from her BF.

I don't know any of the details of her death, I was told by a provider in Daytona that introduced me to her and checked the obits and it is true, she was 28 years old and leaves two young boys, thankfully her mother will raise them.

It's kind of sad that her obituary on the internet is surrounded by her various interactions with the police and mugshots, I hope her mother protects her sons from that information. May she rest in peace, she had no peace on earth-VS

I do not normally post on the forum as I prefer to keep my comments to myself, this time however I have decided to speak up, after reading all of the good reviews of Kim I decided to contact her, my first contact with her was about 10 days ago, our schedules did not work out before I left to go out of town for a few days, so I told her I would get in touch as soon as I got back. Made an appointment with her today, and after agreeing a mutual time she gave me an area to call her from on the East side of town which is almost an hours drive for me, I called her to let her know I was where she told me to call her from, she told me she was running late and to park in a certain place and she would call me in about 10 minutes, after 20 mins I texted her with no reply, tried calling and textng for the next 20 mins, left a voice mail, still nothing returned, after waiting a total of 45 mins I decided to head home. I am at a loss as to why she did not get back to me, I have had very positive experiences with Mallori and Na na Pleases that have also had very good reviews on this forum, and they would happy to give references if so required, so was looking forward to meeting Kim, I hope that when she reads this that she will call or text me to offer an explanation, I am not mad, just dissappointed.

ok. just saw a report on fox 35 about a sting! waterford lakes. of course this looks like an **** sex sting. 31 people arrested!

[QUOTE=SweetPetite; 1584092]Just thought we needed some new pics out here. Here are a few! Please enjoy and PLAY SAFE!

* * *kim * * *[/QUOTE]I may have to see you when I come to Orlando next week.

Steve

[QUOTE=SteveNDallas; 1583677][url]http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/mature-redhead-lake-marymaitland-75-to-175-incall-special-outcall-available-43/3653030[/url]

Anybody see her[/QUOTE]You need to use the search function. There are multiple reviews of her on the site.

[QUOTE=FullUp;1584027]I do not normally post on the forum as I prefer to keep my comments to myself, this time however I have decided to speak up, after reading all of the good reviews of Kim I decided to contact her, my first contact with her was about 10 days ago, our schedules did not work out before I left to go out of town for a few days, so I told her I would get in touch as soon as I got back. Made an appointment with her today, and after agreeing a mutual time she gave me an area to call her from on the East side of town which is almost an hours drive for me, I called her to let her know I was where she told me to call her from, she told me she was running late and to park in a certain place and she would call me in about 10 minutes, after 20 mins I texted her with no reply, tried calling and textng for the next 20 mins, left a voice mail, still nothing returned, after waiting a total of 45 mins I decided to head home. I am at a loss as to why she did not get back to me, I have had very positive experiences with Mallori and Na na Pleases that have also had very good reviews on this forum, and they would happy to give references if so required, so was looking forward to meeting Kim, I hope that when she reads this that she will call or text me to offer an explanation, I am not mad, just dissappointed.[/QUOTE]I've not met Kim, but she seems a pretty straight-up lady. I'm sure she will work things out with you. And, my bet is that once Kim does, you won't be disappointed anymore.