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[QUOTE=Jlima;3359952]Thanks may have to give it a try a good real masssage sounds relaxing.
Has anyone been to Ivy lately. Has the service / talent improved?[/QUOTE]Expect the typical Korean spa. $80 for an hour etc. A lot of traffic, usually busy (which usually mean sone thing). Expect some talent there to.
Expect negotiation and payment up front.
I wonder what would happen over time if their was refusal to tip before hand.
[QUOTE=GMan25;3360549]Expect the typical Korean spa. $80 for an hour etc. A lot of traffic, usually busy (which usually mean sone thing). Expect some talent there to.
Expect negotiation and payment up front.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3360837]I wonder what would happen over time if their was refusal to tip before hand.[/QUOTE]Overall it would make for better service, but it will never happen. By that time too many guys are thinking and listening to the wrong head.
-w.
[QUOTE=Wenger;3361798]Overall it would make for better service, but it will never happen. By that time too many guys are thinking and listening to the wrong head.
-w.[/QUOTE]The non confrontational approach is to vote with your feet.
[QUOTE=GMan25;3360549]Expect the typical Korean spa. $80 for an hour etc. A lot of traffic, usually busy (which usually mean sone thing). Expect some talent there to.
Expect negotiation and payment up front.[/QUOTE]Wonder if this was came to be because they had gotten burned one to many times? Not saying it is right or wrong, just thinking out loud.
That's possible. I've heard of guys doing this before.
Maybe a half before half after option is better.
[QUOTE=BlueUc;3363070]Wonder if this was came to be because they had gotten burned one to many times? Not saying it is right or wrong, just thinking out loud.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jlima;3363103]That's possible. I've heard of guys doing this before.
Maybe a half before half after option is better.[/QUOTE]It's a combination of two things. They demand the tip upfront to avoid getting burned. And, because customers are far more likely to pay and pay more while still all revved up.
You know it's interesting. In our shop Mei started out with the idea of collecting the house fee up front, but now, for regulars, at least half the time, we collect everything at the end. Sometimes, if it is busy and the customer is waiting, I'll collect up front just to save time. But we never ever have payment issues. The first month we opened we had a few knuckleheads who tried for extras and then after striking out left zero tip. We try very hard to make sure the customer knows we are legit so there is no misunderstanding.
So to respond to your point, Blue, I bet a few customers have burned them. I wonder if they have a LOT of dissatisfied customers who then gripe and refuse to pay.
[QUOTE=BlueUc;3363070]Wonder if this was came to be because they had gotten burned one to many times? Not saying it is right or wrong, just thinking out loud.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bob521;3363986]You know it's interesting. In our shop Mei started out with the idea of collecting the house fee up front, but now, for regulars, at least half the time, we collect everything at the end. Sometimes, if it is busy and the customer is waiting, I'll collect up front just to save time. But we never ever have payment issues. The first month we opened we had a few knuckleheads who tried for extras and then after striking out left zero tip. We try very hard to make sure the customer knows we are legit so there is no misunderstanding.
So to respond to your point, Blue, I bet a few customers have burned them. I wonder if they have a LOT of dissatisfied customers who then gripe and refuse to pay.[/QUOTE]The time based door fee up front plus tip after the massage sounds like the right thing to do.
[QUOTE=Bob521;3363986]You know it's interesting. In our shop Mei started out with the idea of collecting the house fee up front, but now, for regulars, at least half the time, we collect everything at the end. Sometimes, if it is busy and the customer is waiting, I'll collect up front just to save time. But we never ever have payment issues. The first month we opened we had a few knuckleheads who tried for extras and then after striking out left zero tip. We try very hard to make sure the customer knows we are legit so there is no misunderstanding.
So to respond to your point, Blue, I bet a few customers have burned them. I wonder if they have a LOT of dissatisfied customers who then gripe and refuse to pay.[/QUOTE]Hi Bob, Just want to tell others, I've been to your place, not a regular, yet, but I did receive a great massage from Mei. I do plan on returning. Although, not expensive, it gets to be when you've been laid off from the job. I'm an old Army vet, so like McArthur, I shall return.
[QUOTE=Bob521;3363986]You know it's interesting. In our shop Mei started out with the idea of collecting the house fee up front, but now, for regulars, at least half the time, we collect everything at the end. Sometimes, if it is busy and the customer is waiting, I'll collect up front just to save time. But we never ever have payment issues. The first month we opened we had a few knuckleheads who tried for extras and then after striking out left zero tip. We try very hard to make sure the customer knows we are legit so there is no misunderstanding.
So to respond to your point, Blue, I bet a few customers have burned them. I wonder if they have a LOT of dissatisfied customers who then gripe and refuse to pay.[/QUOTE]My friend who works at a legit AMP tells me about a number of people who don't want to pay full price if extras aren't on the table and a number of times I've seen her collect a tip for another girl who's afraid to piss off the customer. Many of these girls make their main money from tips the house probably takes a cut from that also on top of charging for room and board, phone bills, food, etc. The more I understand their plight the more I understand the tip aspect for them, that being said if you get a crap massage let them know by asking for a different Mt for that reason. There will be a leveling out of sorts in the near future for talent but right now many of the Mt send money back to family for educational purposes so their kids don't have to be in the business. There will always be many that will work for the love of the job and pay but in the meantime there is going to be the transitional phase we are seeing.
Has anybody ever had a session with Ruby at Ivy? I just wanted to know because I was there the other day and I ended up pulling her. She had given me my table shower and just started the massage when another monger came in and was pretty loudly demanding Ruby. So they pulled the switch on me, and I have to say I wasn't disappointed at all. Now Ruby is very nice on the eyes, but I just want to know what does she do that will make a grown man throw a tantrum until he see's her. You can PM me with details and we can trade war stories.
Sounds like this idiot 6th grader throws a lot of cash her way, otherwise they probably would not have switched.
[QUOTE=Starks;3365227]Has anybody ever had a session with Ruby at Ivy? I just wanted to know because I was there the other day and I ended up pulling her. She had given me my table shower and just started the massage when another monger came in and was pretty loudly demanding Ruby. So they pulled the switch on me, and I have to say I wasn't disappointed at all. Now Ruby is very nice on the eyes, but I just want to know what does she do that will make a grown man throw a tantrum until he see's her. You can PM me with details and we can trade war stories.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DMichaels69;3365319]Sounds like this idiot 6th grader throws a lot of cash her way, otherwise they probably would not have switched.[/QUOTE]Sorry I haven't seen her, but reports I have read say she is easy on the eyes ((not a shock) but nothing that would make her stand out vs other providers. My guess is that the person demanding Ruby, was a very consistent regular that gets that kind of service. However, nothing bothers me more than the big mouth loud talking douche that comes in and.
Disturbs everyone else.
Thanks for your business and your kind words. Please don't feel obligated to leave a large tip. Just be nice and she will appreciate your kindness.
Also, note that she gives a lot of money to the homeless guys she sees in Chicago. We take piles of singles and hand out money to guys in bad shape. Her kindness has really opened my eyes.
To end on a lighter note, yesterday, Tuesday is our rest day. We drove down Sheridan road past the mansions. She went Gaga, pointing at the houses yelling "beautiful! I want that one! Oh. I want that one! " . I think I'm corrupting the poor girl.
[QUOTE=AmpingAround;3364135]Hi Bob, Just want to tell others, I've been to your place, not a regular, yet, but I did receive a great massage from Mei. I do plan on returning. Although, not expensive, it gets to be when you've been laid off from the job. I'm an old Army vet, so like McArthur, I shall return.[/QUOTE]