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[QUOTE=Amixam]the server ... brought me a "rate sheet" ... suggested that I pay the VIP rate for 3 hours since she sat with me for 3 hours[/QUOTE]
Wow, she has bigger balls than me. If I emailed this girl, I would keep the discussion strictly OTC. I would definitely not walk into that trap a second time.
That said, be safe with what you put in an email.
You seem like a perfectly reasonable, good hearted man. And I mean this in the very nicest, hoping-you'll-sorta-understand kinda way.
What the fuck are you thinking?
Go back to her? I know it's cat and mouse and they're not the only ones doing the using. I know its a game of fantasy and business...and may the best competitor, or both, win. But I can't stand it when only one team understands the rules and the other keeps going in for the kill. The worst part that breaks my heart is that when you left you were probably laughed at how they aaaaalmost gotcha for 500 (high 5)!
I think a little tip is ok for 3 hours, assuming she didn't stare off into space half the time and you didn't buy her drinks. But 12 drinks? That was no halo over over her head, it was the glow of 12 jager bombs. And the unmitigated gall to suggest how sitting at a table is in any way a VIP experience shows their contempt for you and your money.
Please, please do me this favor. Next time you're in town let us know, and I for one will take you to some clubs and show you the best of Hoosier Hospitality.
Take care man.
PS - This is an instance where I hope some dancers are reading this board.
In your case with the drinks you bought I would have given her $20.00 and called it a night. I think you got taken for $120.00
Dead on. Although I am a tight ass (Cheap skate for those less cultured minds)
Galere
[QUOTE=Amixam]Here's the follow up question: When I was leaving, she gave me her e-mail address to let her know when I'm back in town (not surprising after reading everyone's comments). If I do decide to contact her and meet her at the club, would I need to tip her on the next visit if she were to sit with me all night since technically I'd be reaching out to her?
How would you approach this if you were me and you visited the club again to see her? Would you feel obligated to tip her?[/QUOTE]
I would e-mail her and tell her you want the VIP room 3 hour rate and she can meet you at your hotel room. Tell her to bring her choice of drinks because you already paid for them the last time you visited her at the club. Then when she arrives make sure she likes BBBJ, CG, Mish, Doggy and all the others. If not then ask her to leave.
I think you get my point. Also take up Mr. P on his offer to show you around and the ropes. You need the advice.
FF
PS. Hey Mr. P when are you taking me out to show me all the freckles you have found in the clubs. Remember Xmas is coming soon and I'm sure you want to be added back on to my list.
After stopping by to see Blaire and Karmen's new diggs yesterday (very nice, insanely cute, incredibly energetic. And there was a house there too), but sadly having to leave for a work related reason before really getting to know the place, I found myself in Kokomo with balls a constantly deepening shade of blue.
What to do?
I stopped into the ole' reliable hip hugger in order to make the situation either better, or lethally acute.
I would say about 10 girls working the day shift, a surprising number of which were of some Asian descent. One in particular (about "Asian" in age) had a body to die/kill/launch ships for. She struck me as particularly pro and my guess is that she has been in all facets of this trade for a long while. She hinted as much and provided digits to that effect.
The only downside to the time I spent with that lovely was that it had allowed a little spinner (kind of caramel skinned mix, possibly asian) that I had my eye on to be swooped up by one of you OFB bastards in the corner who after about 4-5 dances suddenly generated his own micro-climate which necessitated a raincoat. Bastard.
It was still aridly dry where I sat.
Then I was approached by a very nice blonde who used to be a mainstay, went and had a kid (my guess), and has just returned to the place about 2 months ago. She was an absolute hoot, and I found myself unexpectedly titillated in ways that had nothing to do with tits. I actually had a fantastically funny convo with a dancer. Either my competitive lead paint chewing competitions are catching up with me or they are making strippers far more clever these days.
Long story long, I left to go get a burger, was supposed to get one for her and ended up with ANOTHER work call and had to bail.
Ball Status: damn near purple.
PS. Think I saw the tatted brunette there too. She was giving yet another OFB head in the corner with the assistance of a very FRECKLED strawberry blonde.
[QUOTE=Mr Popular]You seem like a perfectly reasonable, good hearted man. And I mean this in the very nicest, hoping-you'll-sorta-understand kinda way.
What the fuck are you thinking?
Go back to her? I know it's cat and mouse and they're not the only ones doing the using. I know its a game of fantasy and business...and may the best competitor, or both, win. But I can't stand it when only one team understands the rules and the other keeps going in for the kill. The worst part that breaks my heart is that when you left you were probably laughed at how they aaaaalmost gotcha for 500 (high 5)!
I think a little tip is ok for 3 hours, assuming she didn't stare off into space half the time and you didn't buy her drinks. But 12 drinks? That was no halo over over her head, it was the glow of 12 jager bombs. And the unmitigated gall to suggest how sitting at a table is in any way a VIP experience shows their contempt for you and your money.
Please, please do me this favor. Next time you're in town let us know, and I for one will take you to some clubs and show you the best of Hoosier Hospitality.
Take care man.
PS - This is an instance where I hope some dancers are reading this board.[/QUOTE]
I know some of your other reports get great applause, but this one does it for me. You nailed it as well as can be done. I have to admit, when I first read his post, I felt bad for him and pissed off enough at what they did to make a road trip and perhaps screw with some persons to exact a little retribution for a brother. I then began to wonder if somehow this post was tongue in cheek, or meant to just mess with some of our minds, which isn't all that tough considering what some such as myself have left to screw with. I believe after reading Mr.P though that it was what it appeared, a prime example of the con going down, bleeding a sucker dry while they can. And I am sure they laughed as they left, even those of us that think we know the game and are in the game, who are in their confidence and listen to them laugh at other suckers when they get played, are only kidding ourselves if we think they don't laugh at us too when they are with someone else.
I could go on with this and even with stories from this week, even right after thinking I had made the deal of the century, not more than ten minutes later I ran into a long lost "friend". Those that know me know I can play the game lot's of ways and have seen most of what there is to see, but it had been a while since I had bumped into a true pro. This lovely had my pockets clean and had not given up so much as good squeeze sitting at the table. The good ones see the weakness and exploit it; just human nature I suppose and not the good side of it. I think it best to merely tell our new buddy, that the offer Mr.P gave him he should accept on the spot and go take a few lessons. I suspect now that your new friend has you pegged for a mark, you may never be able to get on the right side of that ledger with her ; with a few good lessons you will at least get a good feel for the ropes and it may never be your game, but you should be able to play with the confidence that even if you don't get lucky you won't get taken, too badly. After all, we all get taken some because it is a game of give and take.
By the way, I think I am going to avoid my long lost "friend" unless I too can get Mr.P or a couple of other strong players to make me such a generous offer and lend me back-up and some help. I have always hated the saying "Don't hate the player, hate the game"; I absolutely love the game, and too often( though not as often as some of my friends here) I love the players also, but occasionally a player truly deserves to be hated. I can't say that is the case with our new friend's acquaintance downtown, after all she was only doing what we expect her to do, and we aren't exactly there looking for salvation or true love( OK, some I know are there for the "true love" thing) but it might be good to level the playing field if our new friend is not yanking our chain.
The way Mr. P was viewing that man's debacle sort of reminded me of how I felt about the Patriots after they ran up the score on the Titans in a 59-0 route.
Except that I would never dangle a stripper bare-arse downward in a pit of viagra doped Bull Mastiffs.
[QUOTE=Amixam]Thanks for all the feedback! Very helpful.
There was something I forgot to mention. At the end of the night the server came to the table (she was very nice all evening) and brought me a "rate sheet". Apparently it was a rate sheet that showed VIP rates. She suggested that I pay the VIP rate for 3 hours since she sat with me for 3 hours. Paying with a credit card, the total was something like $500. At that point I told her to pound sand (in a nice way), but felt obligated to tip her something. The funny thing is the dancer just sat there with a halo over her head, and didn't say a word.
You guys are probably right. She new I was from out of town. I was dressed in business attire so she probably saw dollar signs above my head.
Here's the follow up question: When I was leaving, she gave me her e-mail address to let her know when I'm back in town (not surprising after reading everyone's comments). If I do decide to contact her and meet her at the club, would I need to tip her on the next visit if she were to sit with me all night since technically I'd be reaching out to her?
How would you approach this if you were me and you visited the club again to see her? Would you feel obligated to tip her?
By the way, I really appreciate everyone's feedback. Thanks a lot![/QUOTE]I sure would like to know. You should put it out there. Did I miss something? We are here to help each other out. If a club is duppin' a brother, let's pass the word. Isn't that what the forum is for. Pass along good experiences and bad ones. My $0.02.
Thanks for all the feedback.
I know most all (OK, all of you) are thinking exactly what Mr. P said: "What the fuck are you thinkng? ". I would probably think the same thing if I wear in your shoes. And no, Mr. P, no offense taken. I appreciate the candor and truthfulness of your response. Do I deserve an internet slap?. Probably so.
I've been to a few clubs in my lifetime (I stress. Only a few), and I do realize that this is a game. The problem is, I don't know the specifics of the game, which is why I was taken. I'm claiming ignorance here. Much like if many of you were thrown into my business/job, you'd probably fail miserably (like I did in this game). I'm not saying this is your job, just trying to make a point.
Having said that. I wanted to explain my follow up post about visiting again. No, I'm not looking for love or am in no way infatuated with this girl. The reason I mentioned a repeat visit is because I travel to Indy quite regularly and this club is within walking distance for me to stop in and have a few drinks while enjoying the view and/or the company of an attractive woman (with the occasional dance). That's it.
However, from what I've read, it's sounds like I'm a marked man. Meaning, every time I walk into this place I'll have a big 'ole bull eye on my back and they'll be gunning for me. Do I have any chance at leveling the playing field? I'm just trying to arm myself with the knowledge needed to walk in the place and enjoy myself (sans the bulls eye) and avoid getting taken again.
Again, thanks for everyone's feedback.
[QUOTE=Mr Popular]Please, please do me this favor. Next time you're in town let us know, and I for one will take you to some clubs and show you the best of Hoosier Hospitality.[/QUOTE]I just might take you up on that offer!
Thanks
Any Indianapolis clubs with Asian Strippers?
[QUOTE=Amixam]However, from what I've read, it's sounds like I'm a marked man. Meaning, every time I walk into this place I'll have a big 'ole bull eye on my back and they'll be gunning for me.[/QUOTE]
Ding Ding Ding! Now, to be fair, we all have that bullseye on us, some larger than others. But those girls know they got you once; they'll be scheming to get you again.
[QUOTE=Amixam]Do I have any chance at leveling the playing field?[/QUOTE]
Yes. Two options:
1) Don't go back until the staff has turned over, and there's no one there that remembers you.
2) Just say no. When the same girl asks you to buy her 12 drinks while you talk, politely decline. Invite her to share a nice bottle of wine with you after her shift, perhaps. When the waitress recommends you tip the dancer $$$$$, thank her for the suggestion, but tell her you and she will conduct your business amongst yourselves (since dancers are independent contractors and not employees anyway.)
[QUOTE=Tonylove465]I sure would like to know. You should put it out there. Did I miss something? We are here to help each other out. If a club is duppin' a brother, let's pass the word. Isn't that what the forum is for. Pass along good experiences and bad ones. My $0.02.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it was ever specifically mentioned by the original poster, but I think another member assumed it was the Red Garter. Haven't seen any confirmation though.
[QUOTE=Happyguy1]Any Indianapolis clubs with Asian Strippers?[/QUOTE]
Dancers on dayshift has a decent stable of Asians. As always, hit or miss on schedules, but they seem to have a fairly consistent presence.
I recently paid a visit to the Hip Hugger in Kokomo one evening.
I hadn't been to the place since 2003, but it's exactly the same. I got there and it was pretty quiet. I think it must have been near shift change, because I only counted a 1/2-dozen girls and later there was more like two dozen.
Michelle (a 7, reddish hair, tallish, really soft skin, kinda a butterface) came by and sat with me. She was fun to talk to and we had a couple of private dances where I determined that the rules were similar to BBF. The chairs were less comfortable, which meant there was less successful grinding. They could really use some benches.
I watched some dancers and gave some stage-side and table-side tips. At some point, I moved to the bar (mainly because I don't like it when strange women sneak up on me).
I then met Halo (8, bleached blonde, hard stripper look). We had some private dances and she was the dirtiest-talking stripper I think I've ever encountered. It was almost distracting. She seemed a lot more liberal than Michelle. I was more turned on, but less interested (if that makes any sense).
Then I did more sitting and watching and for a while, no one paid any attention to me. I was about to go, but then I saw Zoe (7, tall, olive-complected, thick) working the room for tips. She wasn't very pretty, but dayum if she wasn't sexy. The worked the entire floor (except me at the bar) and disappeared into the locker room. I caught her at her next stage dance and told her I was sad she missed me. Afterwards we had some nice dances. She pretended she wanted to go up my pant leg and admonished me for not wearing shorts.
Contrary to other HH reports, I did not see or experience anything that indicated more was available (either in a dark corner or elsewhere).
The night was getting late, so I had to leave. Two observations:
* There were a number of tall, thin, blonde, all-american girls with nice perky tits. Really beautiful and pleasant. If my tastes ran in that direction, I would be in heaven.
* The dancers at the Hip Hugger have a real loosey-goosey attitude regarding the number of dances. I like my dancer to ask "do you want another" at the end of every song. At the HH, they start in the middle of the song and their count and my count never matched. I guess I shouldn't complain because twice it worked out in my favor. OTOH, once it didn't and I felt a wee bit ripped off.
Anyhow, a very positive experience. I think I prefer BBF due to the greater number of dancers, the comfort of the lap dance booths, and (from my experience) more liberal dancers. But it's a close second.