"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;4011693]I'm curious: have you or others found that it's _good_ to talk about prior SBs / experiences with current ones? I've had a few ask me "Have you done this before? But I generally just limit my answers to "yes, I've had some prior arrangements" and don't go any further. Part of that is operational security, part is just not wanting to go into personal details, and part is thinking that actually discussing details would cause problems.

If anyone's had experiences where discussing prior SBs was a _good_ thing, I'm curious how and why.[/QUOTE]I guess for me it's a been a context thing, and useful to be able to address an issue or question with a more concrete answer based on experience. Like: "oh, yes, I've had good luck handling this XXX thing by doing YYY". It puts them at ease by being able to speak knowledgeably to their questions or concerns. A reverse example was when, early on, I was expressing how pleased / surprised at how my SB didn't blink an eye at being 45-60 minutes away (and traffic permitting at that). She immediately was able to casually respond that, "no problem, I had one arrangement where I would drive 2-1/2 hours each way when I saw my SD. ".

But personally I've not treated it as bragging rights or like a resume or anything. Just a handy tool when relevant topics come up, and almost never at a personal detail level.

The recent exception (and this went both ways, given her August SD and my August SB experience were something of a train wreck) was talking about priors in the context of how my SB is such a better experience, giving a few details along the way. A few weeks ago we had some pillow talk where I heard more detail about how she was both gaslighted and then never compensated by the jerk she was with in August. In return I shared some more detail with her about how much of a personality mismatch mine turned out to be, how she is pretty much a polar opposite to that prior SB, and that I was glad things worked out better for both of us in the end. A nice bonding experience.

When I first started in the bowl I was reluctant to talk about past experiences not wanting to sound like a player. Now, I've found that speaking of my past experiences gives them confidence I know what I'm doing, credibility that I've had long successful arrangements, and a source for many entertaining stories that puts them at ease and helps us build rapport.

I don't go into great length about past sexual experiences and don't share all of my "work history" but rather pick key points in my "experience" that apply. LOL.

I've found that past success attracts more women than not. I just make sure I describe it as success from the girls point of view as well.

They almost always ask why they ended so I am prepared for that question.

[1 QUOTE=Zcochran00;4011693]I'm curious: have you or others found that it's _good_ to talk about prior SBs / experiences with current ones? I've had a few ask me "Have you done this before? But I generally just limit my answers to "yes, I've had some prior arrangements" and don't go any further. Part of that is operational security, part is just not wanting to go into personal details, and part is thinking that actually discussing details would cause problems.

If anyone's had experiences where discussing prior SBs was a _good_ thing, I'm curious how and why. [ / QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Walruscl;4011726] A nice bonding experience.[/QUOTE]For me, talking about past SA experiences is a great way to break the ice with a pot SB over what our arrangement might be. I normally start by asking them about their experience so far, and make a point to ask them about their worst SA horror story. That inevitably leads to them asking about my horror stories, and then the conversation turns into ATF stories. Almost always leads to a discussion about what our arrangement will be. It definitely works for me. Likit.

I got the same scam, worked for a bit and played with her. Said she had a friend that wanted to meet also. I told her we could just go shopping. That ended the conversation. LOL.

Damn, SA has become a target rich environment. !

[QUOTE=BStreet;4011626]Is a scammer. Tried to get me to send her 3 Amazon gift cards online to purchase oils and toys for our sexual activities next week with her bi- friend Tara. Looking for a man to join them now. Seemed legit for a bit in our texting but TGTBT. I offered to buy or reimburse and she sends the exact same text in response.[/QUOTE]

Just thought I would share this.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?10455-Sugar-Daddy-Sites[/URL]

Posts 3412 & 3413.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4012168]Just thought I would share this.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?10455-Sugar-Daddy-Sites[/URL]

Posts 3412 & 3413.[/QUOTE]Good to see you back in this forum! Links to your specific posts:

[URL=http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?10455-Sugar-Daddy-Sites&p=4011290&viewfull=1#post4011290]The 12 Steps of Sugar Dating Anonymous[/URL]

[URL=http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?10455-Sugar-Daddy-Sites&p=4011449&viewfull=1#post4011449]The 12 Traditions of Sugar Dating Anonymous[/URL]

I'm going to drop this in the [THREAD=10668]cincy thread[/THREAD] as well. Thanks!

I had my second encounter of "period scam" last night. So, this has happened to me twice with two different girls In both cases, Asian girls. First one was 27 yr old and the second one 20 yr old. Both are college students. As with anyone else, I made it clear to them, first allowance will only be given after we finish FC visit. With first one, we had a "no allowance" platonic dinner before FC visit the following day, the second one straight to FC after a coffee. With first one we agreed for 250 for the date, the second one said what ever I have given to my previous SBs is ok. In both cases, we went to hotel rooms, obviously they knew what to expect. When we get in to the act half undressed in the room, they tell me they are on period. In both cases, I told them why they didn't mention it before heading to hotel room. First one said it just started, and the second ones answer was "well you didn't ask me". Both agreed to give me BBBJ (actually did a good job), but in both cases, they are packed and ready to leave after the job was done. In both cases, I cut down the allowance by half. First one bitched about it via texts and the second one kept quiet. I am sure they are not street walkers looking to give a BJ for 300. I confirmed with our chat and background check that both are real college girls. Both are cute girls with good personality I liked. I would have definitely repeated with them, if the "period" incidence didn't happen. Did I over react? On the other hand, there are several girls who mentioned to me beforehand they were on period on the day we were to hit FC, and gave me the option to go ahead with the date or reschedule. I always reschedule of course, no FC for me when they are on period. I guess it would be awkward to ask a girl if they are on period when we are ready to hit FC. How do you guys handle this issue if it happened to you?

Play Safe,

Dr. S.

I have been talking to this 18 yr old college freshman. She joined SA two days prior to my first message. She has two profile photos that don't look like stock photos. Very cute girl. I sent a fairly long first message describing what my expectations are (I told her I was looking for 2 to 4 meets per month). I have only one profile photo with no face. In her first message she says she really liked my profile and I seemed genuine, but due to her school work she can commit only to 2 meets per month. She is 1. 5 hr drive away from me. She gave me the option either I visit her or she can drive to me whichever I preferred. I told her that we could meet that weekend, she replied she had obligations that weekend but next weekend is free and we could meet. Again in the second message she emphasizes that either she could visit me or I can visit her. I told her next weekend is fine and we would figure out details later.

Here is my dilemma now. An 18 yr old college student agrees to meet me and drive to me 1. 5 hrs even with out asking few more photos to see how I look like (I give the option of more photos sent via text or email in my profile). Obviously I am suspicious, and the next message would be "send me $100 first for gas money to come and see you". But if it is the case why would she make it more appealing to me by agreeing for weekly visits. If she is going to scam, why not scam that weekend, but wait for another week to scam me?. Her profile seems genuine, and has the "friends with benefits" tag. She has not logged on to the site during the weekend she said she had "obligations". She is really my type, if she is real and someone I am not going to take a chance messing up the opportunity. I have two options, agreeing to drive to her next week, and see if she insists driving to me. Then I know it is a scam. Or asking her to come and see me. If she is a scam I wouldn't loose anything anyway. Only worry I have is that if she agrees to come to me and another guy gives her a better deal (with no travel) before we meet she will be tempted to take that offer. My inclination is to propose her that I go visit her. In worst case, I will be wasting my 1. 5 hr drive that I am willing to take the chance for her.

She is new to the site and naive may not have thought though all. But a girl agree to drive for 1. 5 hrs with out no guarantee of a date and allowance is odd to me. Am I thinking of this too much of it? Any advice from our veterans?

Play Safe.

Dr. S.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;4013074] My inclination is to propose her that I go visit her. In worst case, I will be wasting my 1. 5 hr drive that I am willing to take the chance for her.

She is new to the site and naive may not have thought though all. But a girl agree to drive for 1. 5 hrs with out no guarantee of a date and allowance is odd to me. Am I thinking of this too much of it? Any advice from our veterans?
[/QUOTE]Your inclination is good, you're not out much if you do the commute and it will be a good litmus test.

My SB surprised me by coming my way on our first NSA, though that was only like 45-50 minutes and she didn't ask for gas money. She's also a 20-something with other sources of income, which probably is the other difference. Gas money may be more on an 18 yo college student's radar, especially if you're talking a 3 hr round trip.

So if your POT agrees to meet you on her turf, the gas money thing will probably turn out to be a false red flag.

I have replied. "we still have two options left". Works 50% of the time.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;4013055]I had my second encounter of "period scam" last night. So, this has happened to me twice with two different girls In both cases, Asian girls. First one was 27 yr old and the second one 20 yr old. Both are college students. As with anyone else, I made it clear to them, first allowance will only be given after we finish FC visit. With first one, we had a "no allowance" platonic dinner before FC visit the following day, the second one straight to FC after a coffee. With first one we agreed for 250 for the date, the second one said what ever I have given to my previous SBs is ok. In both cases, we went to hotel rooms, obviously they knew what to expect. When we get in to the act half undressed in the room, they tell me they are on period. In both cases, I told them why they didn't mention it before heading to hotel room. First one said it just started, and the second ones answer was "well you didn't ask me". Both agreed to give me BBBJ (actually did a good job), but in both cases, they are packed and ready to leave after the job was done. In both cases, I cut down the allowance by half. First one bitched about it via texts and the second one kept quiet. I am sure they are not street walkers looking to give a BJ for 300. I confirmed with our chat and background check that both are real college girls. Both are cute girls with good personality I liked. I would have definitely repeated with them, if the "period" incidence didn't happen. Did I over react? On the other hand, there are several girls who mentioned to me beforehand they were on period on the day we were to hit FC, and gave me the option to go ahead with the date or reschedule. I always reschedule of course, no FC for me when they are on period. I guess it would be awkward to ask a girl if they are on period when we are ready to hit FC. How do you guys handle this issue if it happened to you?

Play Safe,

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrSummer;4013055]I had my second encounter of "period scam" last night. So, this has happened to me twice with two different girls In both cases, Asian girls. First one was 27 yr old and the second one 20 yr old. Both are college students. As with anyone else, I made it clear to them, first allowance will only be given after we finish FC visit. With first one, we had a "no allowance" platonic dinner before FC visit the following day, the second one straight to FC after a coffee. With first one we agreed for 250 for the date, the second one said what ever I have given to my previous SBs is ok. In both cases, we went to hotel rooms, obviously they knew what to expect. When we get in to the act half undressed in the room, they tell me they are on period. In both cases, I told them why they didn't mention it before heading to hotel room. First one said it just started, and the second ones answer was "well you didn't ask me". Both agreed to give me BBBJ (actually did a good job), but in both cases, they are packed and ready to leave after the job was done. In both cases, I cut down the allowance by half. First one bitched about it via texts and the second one kept quiet. I am sure they are not street walkers looking to give a BJ for 300. I confirmed with our chat and background check that both are real college girls. Both are cute girls with good personality I liked. I would have definitely repeated with them, if the "period" incidence didn't happen. Did I over react? On the other hand, there are several girls who mentioned to me beforehand they were on period on the day we were to hit FC, and gave me the option to go ahead with the date or reschedule. I always reschedule of course, no FC for me when they are on period. I guess it would be awkward to ask a girl if they are on period when we are ready to hit FC. How do you guys handle this issue if it happened to you?

Play Safe,

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]I have heard it before and usually just send them home. The last one that came over on her period had warned me not to get my hopes up before coming over, but was all over me once she got here. I saw the white string while spanking her perfect ass. She's never asked for allowance but I've given it to her and she's turned out to be among my top 3 girls all time in the FC. Not always a scam. I'd reach back out.

[QUOTE=Graham111;4013170]I have replied. "we still have two options left". Works 50% of the time.[/QUOTE]Yup, if you go to Bush Gardens and the merry go round is closed, there is always the log flume & bumper cars.

Might be a great way to get some co-ed Greek, which would be a huge bonus for me. I know it's not every mongers thing.

Many college girls do Greek now. They call it the poop hole loop hole because some don't think it counts as sex. Plus no worry about becoming a baby momma.

Like a former US President convinced a lot of people that BBBJ didn't constitute sex. Not getting political guys, just stating a fact.

My SB, ex: was so ready to go we'd put a towel down on the bed & soldier on the few times our schedule coincided to meet with her time of the month. Luckily it was always at the beginning or end and very light.

Her live in BF wasn't getting the job done so she had tons of pent up desire when we met. Sometimes ever week or every two or three because she was four hours away.

I see the point. I was so upset when she said she was on period, I only asked her if BBBJ was Ok. She agreed. The right question to ask would have been "what other options are available today for us to have fun?. That would be my question to her it happens to me again.

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;4013268]Yup, if you go to Bush Gardens and the merry go round is closed, there is always the log flume & bumper cars.

Might be a great way to get some co-ed Greek, which would be a huge bonus for me. I know it's not every mongers thing.

Many college girls do Greek now. They call it the poop hole loop hole because some don't think it counts as sex. Plus no worry about becoming a baby momma.

Like a former US President convinced a lot of people that BBBJ didn't constitute sex. Not getting political guys, just stating a fact.

My SB, ex: was so ready to go we'd put a towel down on the bed & soldier on the few times our schedule coincided to meet with her time of the month. Luckily it was always at the beginning or end and very light.

Her live in BF wasn't getting the job done so she had tons of pent up desire when we met. Sometimes ever week or every two or three because she was four hours away.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Walruscl;4010346]Who do you turn to when your SB just rocks your world and all you want to do is share the experience with someone?[/QUOTE]I sometimes share details with select few close friends, even pics of the girls or videos I make with them etc. My best friend has known me since high school and has been there since my early days of womanizing -- even loaned me his bed a few times back in the days to bang random sluts I would bring over to his place because I didn't want my parents to see what a horny degenerate I was.

I share stories but not pics or vids on the net.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;4010346]Who do you turn to when your SB just rocks your world and all you want to do is share the experience with someone?[/QUOTE]I am fortunate that I met a fellow monger virtually via one of the old review sites. I had visited his hometown and reviewed some local talent and he PM'd me to clarify something I had posted. That led to some tips and intel on other sites, to include this one and the wonderful world of the sugar bowl. He had and I swap stories quite often. It's kind of nice to be able to share stories about "conquests" every once in awhile!