Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;6889265]Hear, hear, Ginzo! I completely agree.

I have no doubt that she will get some takers, though.

I have never understood the granny obsession that is so prevalent on boards like this one. I understand that as a practical matter, not every provider is going to be a 24-year-old supermodel. Sometimes you have to take that 35-year-old because she's the best that's available. I get it.

I am also amenable to arguments that really young providers and SBs (18 or 19) are often "more trouble than they're worth. " For me, the sweet spot is probably 23 to 30.

I do *not*, however, understand the guys who proactively seek women over 40.

Granted, I see a few passably hot MILFs in real life. But they are *never* as hot as the 20-somethings. And the older women in the hobby are almost always beat to heck and back.

For reference: I am not a "young" guy myself. I am in my mid-50's, and I can well remember the 1980's. I have no desire to see providers who can remember the 1980's, let alone porn stars from that era.[/QUOTE]I saw a 50 year-old provider a few times last year. Not because someone that old is my first choice, but because it was convenient, inexpensive, and nearly impossible to find someone under 40 who didn't want a ridiculous donation. It helped that she was all right for that age. But then I had a 27 year-old a couple times early this year, and there was no comparison. Much, much prefer chicks in their 20's and 30's.

[QUOTE=Ginzo666;6889237][URL]https://www.eros.com/ohio/files/468688.htm?cat=3859[/URL]

Apparently, there is a market for porn stars from the 1980's who are now in their 60's and over 200 lbs. Does this mean someone could open a nursing home / brothel for retired porn stars in Nevada as a workable business model? I don't get it.[/QUOTE]Be nice guys; tastes differ. At least the Granny Grabbers are not competing with us for the spinners. She is not asking $600 ppm. At her level she is sure to find a few customers.

BAM.

[QUOTE=BamBam;6889534]Be nice guys; tastes differ. At least the Granny Grabbers are not competing with us for the spinners. She is not asking $600 ppm. At her level she is sure to find a few customers.

BAM.[/QUOTE]Why are you clutching pearls in the Octagon? This is what $300 ppm gets you now: Obese and eligible for Medicare.

Just 2 years ago I could find very hot early 20s on SA that fucked like porn stars and hosted for $300.

What happened? LOL.

[QUOTE=Ginzo666;6889570]Why are you clutching pearls in the Octagon? This is what $300 ppm gets you now: Obese and eligible for Medicare.

Just 2 years ago I could find very hot early 20s on SA that fucked like porn stars and hosted for $300.

What happened? LOL.[/QUOTE]2 years ago, I was finding super hot SB's on Tinder from UC for 300 and they'd stay as long as I wanted, fucked like rabbits and did anything I wanted. Stocked up on the morning after pill b / c most of them were fine doing BB and getting filled up. Now Tinder is all bots and no hots.

[QUOTE=Ginzo666;6889570]Why are you clutching pearls in the Octagon? This is what $300 ppm gets you now: Obese and eligible for Medicare.

Just 2 years ago I could find very hot early 20s on SA that fucked like porn stars and hosted for $300.

What happened? LOL.[/QUOTE]Bidenomics! Plane and simple.

Golfguy, playing through.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;6889265]Hear, hear, Ginzo! I completely agree.

I have no doubt that she will get some takers, though.

I have never understood the granny obsession that is so prevalent on boards like this one. I understand that as a practical matter, not every provider is going to be a 24-year-old supermodel. Sometimes you have to take that 35-year-old because she's the best that's available. I get it.

I am also amenable to arguments that really young providers and SBs (18 or 19) are often "more trouble than they're worth. " For me, the sweet spot is probably 23 to 30.

I do *not*, however, understand the guys who proactively seek women over 40.

Granted, I see a few passably hot MILFs in real life. But they are *never* as hot as the 20-somethings. And the older women in the hobby are almost always beat to heck and back.

For reference: I am not a "young" guy myself. I am in my mid-50's, and I can well remember the 1980's. I have no desire to see providers who can remember the 1980's, let alone porn stars from that era.[/QUOTE]I like them within a certain age too Todd just like you. You and I have both been very vocal of the degradation of talent within our market.

With that being said, she at least has some actual adult work clout. Now I'm quite sure she was never m / f action and it was just "Busty" "Juggs" "Score" and whatever gas station nudie mag so there's the nostalgia / star aspect for dudes. Basically they can finally get her. There's quite a few over the hill pornstars I would take a $300 swing at. Hell, I used to have a MILF fetish too until I realized I'm older than the MILF pornstars. These other skin bags doods keep posting don't even have that. They're just used up trashy ugly old Marlboro and Mt. Dew receptacles. Looking at you Lilsexyme lovers. I don't know what doctor thought it was a good idea to stick bolt ons on a skeleton but, there she was.

And to circle back around, we have an actual verifiable "porn" lady asking 1/3 to 3/4 less of what most of the current crop want. Even as attractive as they may be, never forget their also now starting demand deposits and super bs PII that should be a blockade for 99% of men. But here we are. Tryst keeps getting more unbelievable by the day and the dudes paying money like you've commented "to just have dinner and go out or be seen out is unreal and keeps fucking the market.

Let her get it. I wholly support her. I hope she causes at least two less overpriced slags and Fatties phones to not ring.

And watching economic data as I have been, the reckoning is coming.

[QUOTE=MeadnMrsJones;6882168]It doesn't eliminate dating apps. That's where they are now. You can easily use a fake name and if you use pics that you take especially for the apps, pics that aren't linked to your IG or FB profiles, you can stay pretty close to anonymous.

I've had really good luck with tinder and bumble. To the point that I don't even really monger anymore, at least not here in Ohio. If you are reasonably handsome and have anything interesting or funny to say, there are LOADS of women who just want to get fucked. It might cost you the price of a some hot wings and a couple of beers, but if you have a little patience, a divorcee, or a married broad looking for some strange will let you do damn near anything you want to her for free if you invest a little time. It's a 1000% better option that some cracked out possibly infected, that you had to chase for hours or days in text messages to see in some filthy shithole and maybe get robbed by.

Since internet porn got so mainstream, women are lot less inhibited than they used to be. 3 Weeks ago I went to an Outback steakhouse on a Thursday night, sat at the bar to have dinner and a beer and ended up with a lady taking me balls deep in all 3 holes before 10 pm. Its true what the ads say, local MILFS in your area want to fuck.[/QUOTE]Any pointers you could give on using dating apps? I've never had any luck with those.

[QUOTE=GolfGuy;6889700]Bidenomics! Plane and simple.

Golfguy, playing through.[/QUOTE]Except the orange cheetoh colored shitzinpants and "dances like he's jerking two guys off at once" loud mouth psycho paid for a pornstar well above market rates and even more to shut her up. And now he's on trial. DRUMPONOMICS!

Your comment makes me think you're playing thru at a Putt-Putt level.

[QUOTE=GolfGuy;6889700]Bidenomics! Plane and simple.

Golfguy, playing through.[/QUOTE]Inflation is a worldwide problem- basically corporations are screwing everybody, continuing to raise prices even though supply chain issues are back to pre-COVId. Its actually been dropping in the US relative to the rest of the world.

I like your reviews and perspectives, but this ain't Biden's fault.

The good Dr.

[QUOTE=DrDave39;6889969]Inflation is a worldwide problem- basically corporations are screwing everybody, continuing to raise prices even though supply chain issues are back to pre-COVId. Its actually been dropping in the US relative to the rest
of the world

I like your reviews and perspectives, but this ain't Biden's fault.

The good Dr.[/QUOTE]It's all Communist Joe's fault. He started with a war on fossil fuel that raised the price of transporting all the product we depend on and in case you didn't know this but fossil fuel runs our economy. He also caused labor cost to increase that fuels inflation and once that cat is out of the bag labor cost never comes down. Labor cost is at least 45% of the cost of doing business but you probably already knew that. Bottom line is higher prices are here to stay.

[QUOTE=DrDave39;6889969]Inflation is a worldwide problem- basically corporations are screwing everybody, continuing to raise prices even though supply chain issues are back to pre-COVId. Its actually been dropping in the US relative to the rest of the world.

I like your reviews and perspectives, but this ain't Biden's fault.

The good Dr.[/QUOTE]The Golden Age actually coincided with the Obama years (2009 to 2017).

That said, I don't think Obama had a "help the hobbyists" agenda. If we did benefit from anything political during that period, it was probably the comparatively lenient enforcement regime under Ohio governors Ted Strictland (D), and John Kasich, a socially moderate Republican in the Gerald Ford tradition.

Dave Yost (the current, fanatically anti-sex Ohio AG) isn't completely responsible for the drought, but he isn't helping matters. Likewise, SESTA / FOSTA (2018) didn't help, but it didn't dry everything up, either, especially if you preferred the higher-end girls and sugar babies. (As a sugar daddy, SESTA / FOSTA didn't affect me much at all, except that it sent scammers from the shuttered adult sites onto Seeking.).

The big problem now, in my opinion, is that at the most basic level, we are purchasing labor, and labor markets were turned upside down by COVID. The mainstream labor markets are starting to correct, but it will probably take more time for new talent to enter the hobby market in a big way.

Last week, the jobs data from April showed a definite cooling in the labor market. Hiring of Gen Z candidates has definitely decreased too, compared to the high point of 2021-2.

I don't want to see an economic crash, or girls on the street corner with "Will f*ck for food" signs. We don't need anything that extreme. A normal unemployment rate of 5 percent should be enough to create incentives for more young women to try the male entertainment business. Of course, there are some who never would, under any circumstances.

I think that the OnlyFools craze was an issue for a time. But I believe that wave has crested and receded. We may actually see a flood of former online girls on the market before long.

More supply will inexorably lead to lower prices. The question is not "if" but "when".

[QUOTE=YoTooBig;6890011]It's all Communist Joe's fault. He started with a war on fossil fuel that raised the price of transporting all the product we depend on and in case you didn't know this but fossil fuel runs our economy. He also caused labor cost to increase that fuels inflation and once that cat is out of the bag labor cost never comes down. Labor cost is at least 45% of the cost of doing business but you probably already knew that. Bottom line is higher prices are here to stay.[/QUOTE]What language is that again? I'm sure it made sense in your smooth brain anyway.

Inflation is a global problem and the US has the lowest in the G7. The US also has the highest growth in the G7. Jerome Powell, a Trump nominee, has done a brilliant job delivering a "soft landing," despite basically his whole profession of glorified astrologers doubting him. Yeah, it sucks that interest rates are high now, but prolonged low rates were like rocket fuel for inflation.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;6890084]The Golden Age actually coincided with the Obama years (2009 to 2017).


I think that the OnlyFools craze was an issue for a time. But I believe that wave has crested and receded. We may actually see a flood of former online girls on the market before long.

More supply will inexorably lead to lower prices. The question is not "if" but "when".[/QUOTE]Onlyfans is not going away, maybe the demand has gone down, but its effects on supply are still felt. Seeking profiles advertising "online only" are still out there at alarming rate (more than I'd ever think) and guys are still paying for text relationships. There are Tik tok pages that show these girls how to extract funds all while never meeting. Google it, it's a thing. I wasn't around during the "golden age" so I don't know if the number of online profiles is the same as what we are seeing now, but I'm guessing it's more.

The two or three of you that used "inflation", I pretty much disregarded as full of shit and not knowing what the fuck you're talking about because what we are dealing with in these times isn't "inflation".

It's plain and simple corporate / shareholder greed.

I just read a report that McDonald's or somebody was bitching about labor and how it affects things and it went from 31% to 33%. Fucking 2%. Kroger CEO has like a $30 million compensation and corporate profits and the Dow are unprecedented. What about Drump vonshitzinpantz jerks two guys off while dancing now? That party don't give a fuck about prices. They're not only in bed with them, they're the fucking main driver.

Fuck you guys and knock it off after this. I blame PuttPuttGuy for "passing thru" and stirring the shit like he always does.

[QUOTE=BaddenBoy2020;6890145]Onlyfans is not going away, maybe the demand has gone down, but its effects on supply are still felt. Seeking profiles advertising "online only" are still out there at alarming rate (more than I'd ever think) and guys are still paying for text relationships. There are Tik tok pages that show these girls how to extract funds all while never meeting. Google it, it's a thing. I wasn't around during the "golden age" so I don't know if the number of online profiles is the same as what we are seeing now, but I'm guessing it's more.[/QUOTE]It's way more than it ever was. It's decimated strippers and escorts. Now instead of either, they can just sit behind a screen and upload pics / vids and extract the money without doing anything tangible. That may be fine for out of areas ladies or starlets or the old days, but it started to enable and encompass hometown girls right in our backyard. I'll say it for the last time: IT'S A PARASITE.

Fuck them, fuck that, and fuck anybody who defends it. You spend your money that way. You're an absolute complete dumb asshole ruining not only for yourself by being a cuck but also for everyone. Also, the reason for GPS anymore.