I have been trying to reach out to my sugarbabe from Richmond. I couldn't find her on SA. She goes by the name of Natalia. About 24 years. I met her twice and lost her number. If anyone has access to her digits, please PM me.
Thanks in advance!
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I have been trying to reach out to my sugarbabe from Richmond. I couldn't find her on SA. She goes by the name of Natalia. About 24 years. I met her twice and lost her number. If anyone has access to her digits, please PM me.
Thanks in advance!
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3949542]I can't figure out how to do a direct quote from my earlier post, but my cut and paste is:
"I *never* have the burner inside my house. ".
Perhaps I should have said that I never have it on at home. I turn it off in a strip mall parking lot 5 minutes from home and stash it. I am not 100% sure about the GPS, anytime I am given the option to provide location services, I decline. Like I said, I think I have excellent operational security with this system. I don't think google is going to try to blackmail me with the fact that I have been on certain sites or whatever. Likewise, I am sure the NSA could figure out who I am based on some kind of chink in the armor, but SBs can't, and that's who I am protecting my identity from.
If you have a method that is superior to what I have laid out, please, let us all in on it.[/QUOTE]Each of us has a different comfort level with security. My SO can't figure out the login to her email half the time, so I don't worry much about her getting past the fingerprint lock on my phone and laptop. I keep one phone (a second phone, if discovered, would be a bigger red flag than the locks I've had on my machines since she's known me) and use GV for that, otherwise I don't bother with secure browsers / VPNs / etc. I'm religious about opsec within that scope, but outside of it there's so little risk that for me it's not worth the hassle.
Flip side: while we're seeing more and more providers that block or won't respond to GV or other phone / text apps, I've recently noticed a few SA profiles (for what seem to be legit SBs rather than providers using the site) complaining about or refusing to respond to apps as well.
[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;3951322]Each of us has a different comfort level with security. My SO can't figure out the login to her email half the time, so I don't worry much about her getting past the fingerprint lock on my phone and laptop. I keep one phone (a second phone, if discovered, would be a bigger red flag than the locks I've had on my machines since she's known me) and use GV for that, otherwise I don't bother with secure browsers / VPNs / etc. I'm religious about opsec within that scope, but outside of it there's so little risk that for me it's not worth the hassle.
Flip side: while we're seeing more and more providers that block or won't respond to GV or other phone / text apps, I've recently noticed a few SA profiles (for what seem to be legit SBs rather than providers using the site) complaining about or refusing to respond to apps as well.[/QUOTE]Your situation regarding the SO is good, but you still want to be careful. Recall the Ashley Madison hack, where millions of email addresses were released to the world, in an easily searchable form. I don't recall if that included the IP address the login came from, but you can see why that would be a problem for some (attack by the enterprising identify theif / extortionist). I was contacted at an email address I used on AM with a threat that if I didn't pay $100 my identity would be shared w / everyone on social media. That is one of the reason I use a secure browser on seeking. I also don't have my real photos on the site. I recall in the old days, seeking required a Captcha for every log in, which while a pain, made me feel better about site security. I didn't want my profile photos on google image search.
I should also say I was meeting up w / a POT who was a hot 30's married MILF. She foolishly left the SA app running on her iPhone and fell asleep. Her suspicious hubby used her finger to unlock her iPhone and saw messages from me on seeking. He sent me threatening messages (of course, I had good opsec, so they were pretty empty) and changed her profile to all kinds of defamatory things (that she had STDs, for example). SO, a fingerprint scanner still isn't perfect.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3946938]I have a regular SB, tall volleyball player, mid-20's, flawless body, daddy issues. I hadn't seen her in a year+ and got back in touch. She hadn't been on SA for all that time. I asked before the first time back in the FC if she wanted me to bring anything, expecting her to ask for some toy or alcohol, she comes back w / flowers. I got her a simple grocery store bouquet, and she continues to talk about it a week+ after the FC. Sometimes, these girls do really just want to feel like they matter to someone, even though they also want to f** like bunnies and receive their allowance. FFA.[/QUOTE]Buy one a dress and see what happens. Just a cheap sundress, and they go nuts. "no man has ever bought me a dress" I have done this 3 times and all 3 times I got the holy living shit fucked out of me as a thank you. All for a $50 dress. It is not like it is rocket science to figure out their size, yet the "boyfriend", "husband" etc never seem to figure it out.
[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;3951322]Each of us has a different comfort level with security. My SO can't figure out the login to her email half the time, so I don't worry much about her getting past the fingerprint lock on my phone and laptop. I keep one phone (a second phone, if discovered, would be a bigger red flag than the locks I've had on my machines since she's known me) and use GV for that, otherwise I don't bother with secure browsers / VPNs / etc. I'm religious about opsec within that scope, but outside of it there's so little risk that for me it's not worth the hassle.
Flip side: while we're seeing more and more providers that block or won't respond to GV or other phone / text apps, I've recently noticed a few SA profiles (for what seem to be legit SBs rather than providers using the site) complaining about or refusing to respond to apps as well.[/QUOTE]How would someone know you are calling from a phone app?
[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3951373]Buy one a dress and see what happens. Just a cheap sundress, and they go nuts. "no man has ever bought me a dress" I have done this 3 times and all 3 times I got the holy living shit fucked out of me as a thank you. All for a $50 dress. It is not like it is rocket science to figure out their size, yet the "boyfriend", "husband" etc never seem to figure it out.[/QUOTE]I bought a girl a dress and a fairly inexpensive necklace once, and holy shit! You'd have thought she hit the lottery or something.
[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;3951322]Each of us has a different comfort level with security. My SO can't figure out the login to her email half the time, so I don't worry much about her getting past the fingerprint lock on my phone and laptop. I keep one phone (a second phone, if discovered, would be a bigger red flag than the locks I've had on my machines since she's known me) and use GV for that, otherwise I don't bother with secure browsers / VPNs / etc. I'm religious about opsec within that scope, but outside of it there's so little risk that for me it's not worth the hassle.
Flip side: while we're seeing more and more providers that block or won't respond to GV or other phone / text apps, I've recently noticed a few SA profiles (for what seem to be legit SBs rather than providers using the site) complaining about or refusing to respond to apps as well.[/QUOTE]I'm a bit more careful on my laptop etc, but for an alternative to GV I use [URL=https://mysudo.com/]MySudo[/URL]. I like it better than GV and they have zero knowledge of your phone number or messages, etc. Not free, but if you're willing to spend $90 a month to chase [I]hookers-that-don't-think-they're-hookers[/I] on a website, a few bucks for opsec shouldn't bother you.
I just noticed the profile text search is back working again. They also added to the desktop version a bar to type your message right there at the top of the profile page. Kind of handy if you need to refer to her info while messaging.
[QUOTE=OriolesMagic;3951407]How would someone know you are calling from a phone app?[/QUOTE]I've been told but haven't verified that some of the VOIP services report that it's a GV or other app number in the caller ID when a name isn't available. These days, most of the number-lookup services (whitepages, whocalld, etc.) will tell you whether a number is landline, VOIP or app based (that info may require a subscription. For me, the 2 bucks a month for a whitepages account is well worth it.).
As reported in one of the other threads here earlier, there's a fairly well-known local mid-30's provider that refuses any call or text that's from an app. And she uses a VOIP service on top of her cell for her business. Obviously her opsec is more important to her than are her clients, which is why I've never used her. But more and more women seem to be picking up on how to secure themselves in this manner.
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Echoing the impact of a $50 dress.
Most sugarbabies are looking to live beyond their means -- but usually blow their allowances on a night of partying if they don't have any overdue bills or unexpected car repairs and the like.
They DREAM of living the good life because they are hot or were the BJ queen in HS (the female version of the man-bunned junior douche who can't understand why he isn't VP of Wonderfulness at [URL]StartupApp.com[/URL] after two weeks on the job). But skip the material version of GPS gals.
the more down to earth they seem, the more appreciative they will be. Ask them to create a wishlist on Amazon or their favorite shopping sites. One SB I was prospecting (a regular contestant on the beauty pageant circuit, I figured would have some high end tastes. $39 shoes, $29 dresses. I was floored. She thought that would be a nice gift. I asked her to pick out something she would wear for my eyes only, and you get a pretty good insight into if they are the slutty or classy type.
Make up and skin care products are BIG hits with women. A. the good stuff is outrageously expensive for someone paying back student loans, etc. They buy theirs at the drug store or maybe the more mass market brands at ULTA or one of the beauty chain stores. Go to one of these stores, show them a picture of your "daughter" and ask what eye shadow, lip stick, foundation and blush work with her color. Let the expert pick it out. Same with skin care. Cleanser, toner, masque and mositurizer. They use them every day. No man EVER understands this shit. She will give you anal and let you take pictures just for being so thoughtful if you get QUALITY stuff she sees in the magazines. She would never spend $18 on a single lipstick when she can get a 4 pak of Revlon at WalMart for the same price, but she will parade that thing around in front of her friends like a 80's Wall Street Dick walked around with his BMW key fob subtly sticking out of his vest pocket. Skin care is a little pricier -- maybe $125 - $150, but it lasts 3 months and every time she uses it she will think of you.
Shop the sales -- . End of season is big. They are checking things out now that they are affordable, but still a stretch.
J Crew had 40% off the sale prices. $49 bucks a pair for some shoes perfect for the SBs work, (down from $135) -- $100 later and she thought she had died and gone to heaven. Ditto Nordstrom after Christmas. Shoes.com routinely has $30 off $90 purchase and 20 somethings think $90 shoes are extravagant. (FYI sizes are on the soles or on the instep, so take a peak after she kicks them off)
[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;3951532] But more and more women seem to be picking up on how to secure themselves in this manner.[/QUOTE]Does a burner provide them more security than an app? If not, why do they think it does?
Flowers from Kroger = Anal.
[QUOTE=ErnestLl;3952315]Echoing the impact of a $50 dress.
Most sugarbabies are looking to live beyond their means -- but usually blow their allowances on a night of partying if they don't have any overdue bills or unexpected car repairs and the like.
They DREAM of living the good life because they are hot or were the BJ queen in HS (the female version of the man-bunned junior douche who can't understand why he isn't VP of Wonderfulness at [URL]StartupApp.com[/URL] after two weeks on the job). But skip the material version of GPS gals.
the more down to earth they seem, the more appreciative they will be. Ask them to create a wishlist on Amazon or their favorite shopping sites. One SB I was prospecting (a regular contestant on the beauty pageant circuit, I figured would have some high end tastes. $39 shoes, $29 dresses. I was floored. She thought that would be a nice gift. I asked her to pick out something she would wear for my eyes only, and you get a pretty good insight into if they are the slutty or classy type.
Make up and skin care products are BIG hits with women. A. the good stuff is outrageously expensive for someone paying back student loans, etc. They buy theirs at the drug store or maybe the more mass market brands at ULTA or one of the beauty chain stores. Go to one of these stores, show them a picture of your "daughter" and ask what eye shadow, lip stick, foundation and blush work with her color. Let the expert pick it out. Same with skin care. Cleanser, toner, masque and mositurizer. They use them every day. No man EVER understands this shit. She will give you anal and let you take pictures just for being so thoughtful if you get QUALITY stuff she sees in the magazines. She would never spend $18 on a single lipstick when she can get a 4 pak of Revlon at WalMart for the same price, but she will parade that thing around in front of her friends like a 80's Wall Street Dick walked around with his BMW key fob subtly sticking out of his vest pocket. Skin care is a little pricier -- maybe $125 - $150, but it lasts 3 months and every time she uses it she will think of you.
Shop the sales -- . End of season is big. They are checking things out now that they are affordable, but still a stretch.
J Crew had 40% off the sale prices. $49 bucks a pair for some shoes perfect for the SBs work, (down from $135) -- $100 later and she thought she had died and gone to heaven. Ditto Nordstrom after Christmas. Shoes.com routinely has $30 off $90 purchase and 20 somethings think $90 shoes are extravagant. (FYI sizes are on the soles or on the instep, so take a peak after she kicks them off)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HabsBurg;3952343]Does a burner provide them more security than an app? If not, why do they think it does?[/QUOTE]The goal for the girls is to have more info on you than you have on them. The ones savvy enough to understand phones today want to know a "hard" phone number (a number assigned by a LEC to a specific physical device or POTS landline) so if you crack their skull or rob them, they have something to give the cops or their BF / pimp to track you down. They know that the number they have from you may be an untraceable burner too, but at least the chance is higher that someone will be able to be tracked from a hard number than it is from an app. The girl may also do a whitepages-type lookup on the number and if it doesn't associate with a specific person, even though it's a physical phone and not an app, the girl ignore you.
In terms of raw security, a burner is more secure than GV or other app on a phone. Any app for your phone that assigns a pseudo number to act on your phone's behalf, like GV, has to at least have your phone's actual hard number stored on their servers - and that data can be subpoena-ed. A burner that required no personally identifying info to buy for cash and which you pay cash for reload cards offers zero paper trail back to you. But neither is completely secure, because both can be physically tracked down via the cell towers they connect to.
But a burner is also a separate physical device that can be found by someone. You can maybe explain it away, but it still raises questions if found. So does an app on your phone, *if* the person finding the phone is savvy enough to know what to look for and what the app does. Everybody's situation is different, but in my case, if my SO went thru my phone, having GV on it is considerably less risky than would be having pics of other women in the pics app or a bunch of unknown women's names in contacts.
[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;3952788]The goal for the girls is to have more info on you than you have on them. The ones savvy enough to understand phones today want to know a "hard" phone number (a number assigned by a LEC to a specific physical device or POTS landline) so if you crack their skull or rob them, they have something to give the cops or their BF / pimp to track you down. They know that the number they have from you may be an untraceable burner too, but at least the chance is higher that someone will be able to be tracked from a hard number than it is from an app. The girl may also do a whitepages-type lookup on the number and if it doesn't associate with a specific person, even though it's a physical phone and not an app, the girl ignore you.
In terms of raw security, a burner is more secure than GV or other app on a phone. Any app for your phone that assigns a pseudo number to act on your phone's behalf, like GV, has to at least have your phone's actual hard number stored on their servers - and that data can be subpoena-ed. A burner that required no personally identifying info to buy for cash and which you pay cash for reload cards offers zero paper trail back to you. But neither is completely secure, because both can be physically tracked down via the cell towers they connect to.
But a burner is also a separate physical device that can be found by someone. You can maybe explain it away, but it still raises questions if found. So does an app on your phone, *if* the person finding the phone is savvy enough to know what to look for and what the app does. Everybody's situation is different, but in my case, if my SO went thru my phone, having GV on it is considerably less risky than would be having pics of other women in the pics app or a bunch of unknown women's names in contacts.[/QUOTE]Having GV on your own, regular phone gives the chance that breadcrumbs are left on it that could be found by someone more tech savvy than the SO. Also, I know of specific cases where someone had messaged w / a POT on his regular phone using GV, she called, he replied, but unbeknownst to him at the time, the return call came from his real # instead of the GV# - so the POT got his real cell phone #. Not good. I have heard that one can delete GV from one's phone when done w / it, then re-install it. This seems like a pain, and must involve re-entering info each time this is done.
I made the mistake described above, I am not really sure how it happened, but luckily I did it on my burner, not on my regular cell phone. It didn't really bother me that the POT had my regular burner # in addition to my GV #. She was a little puzzled about it, thought it made me look more like a scammer, but it didn't have any long-term negative consequences.