"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=ChiGuy606;1832574]In short treat them like the beautiful, smart, funny, cool chicks that they are. Make an effort to talk to them and get to know them. The little extra effort separates you from 90% of the guys in the crowd & it pays off in many many ways.[/QUOTE]Chi,
A well-crafted distillation of the right way to go about things, my friend - at least in my opinion. That is if you are fishing for High Quality babies.

Scott

PS - Or in fact, even if you are not. We are all people worthy of respect, are we not? The homeless person at the stoplight is still a human being, after all. It is often just luck and circumstance that [I]she[/I] is not sitting in my Volvo, and I am not shaking [I]her[/I] cup.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1832427]Hollywood,

You are right in that there are a few guys out there who apparently cough up the big bucks, but I think in reality they are few and far between. Mandy had found a couple apparently (where is she, by the way?) , but from my intel in the streets, most of the 3K+ a month guys are totally full of shit. Just take a minute or two to peruse the SB blogs vs the SD blogs. The babies by far tell the truth, while the daddies all puff themselves up, with a Kia becoming a Jaguar, and a job as a security guard becoming a partner in a security management firm!

Just a little help, though. What do you mean by "$/e / p"? Like you, I look for babies who are looking for the whole package, as opposed to a fuck for cash. I have passed on what looks like some awesome pussy, but I'm proud of myself, I think!

Slow day at work, obviously,

Scott.

PS. Plus, I think if I used your formula for calculating average monthly Sugar expenses, I might be around 1600 or so. Again, this number rises when I am on the road, but falls when I am spending time with long-term babies. As an example, I spent a few hours recently with Naughty Brit for a bottle of champagne, some organic orange juice, and a ridiculously small amount of sugar, especially when compared with the number of orgasms we each had, and the time elapsed. My abs were sore the next morning, LOL![/QUOTE]$ = financial.

E = emotional.

P = physical

[QUOTE=ChiGuy606;1832574]So far 100% of the babies who have made it into the fc with me have commented on the fact that they choose me mostly because I was so sweet towards them and treated them so nice and normal. A lot of the time they passed up more money to be with me mainly because how I treat them and ESPECIALLY how I make them comfortable with me.[/QUOTE]This is it. Just add in some loyalty to the girls and a little humorous perversion and its an equation that works.

[QUOTE=ChiGuy606;1832574]ESPECIALLY how I make them comfortable with me.[/QUOTE]After re-reading what I wrote I just want to emphasize this line.

If (like all of us) your holy grail goal is to meet an excited, beautiful, well-rounded first-timer. You really are going to have to be concerned with her nerves. Her being nervous is the #1 thing that'll work against you. You're (probably) going to have to go to multiple M&Gs where there is no sex involved. Deal with it (and enjoy it for fuck's sake). In the end you're going to have to convince her that this is not much different than any college or bar hookup she's had in the past, & to forget the money involved. Note that I'm not saying give sugar before the FC. Never ever ever do this! But you'll probably have to do a few lunches, cocktails, etc.

I always go out of my way to tell the girls that I really want them to tell me what I can do to make them comfortable. Sometimes all it is is for me to tell them about my life, growing up, what my family is like, etc. Then they feel a connection with you & its a whole lot easier for them to follow you through that hotel room door. I make it clear to them that it's meaningless to me if they are not enjoying themselves, and that I'm willing to do whatever it takes to make them comfortable with me because I do not want to be there if they aren't having a good time.

By the way that's not hard for me to say because it's honest truth. If you look at my posting history here, you'll notice the lack of reports with 'certain types' of women. I don't want to sleep with someone who is unenthusiastic & doesn't want to be there. I can get that at home LOL. GREAT sex is always bi-directional. That's what you should strive for.

[QUOTE=ChiGuy606; 1832733]After re-reading what I wrote I just want to emphasize this line.

If (like all of us) your holy grail goal is to meet an excited, beautiful, well-rounded first-timer. You really are going to have to be concerned with her nerves. Her being nervous is the #1 thing that'll work against you. You're (probably) going to have to go to multiple M&Gs where there is no sex involved. Deal with it (and enjoy it for fuck's sake). In the end you're going to have to convince her that this is not much different than any college or bar hookup she's had in the past, & to forget the money involved. Note that I'm not saying give sugar before the FC. Never ever ever do this! But you'll probably have to do a few lunches, cocktails, etc.

I always go out of my way to tell the girls that I really want them to tell me what I can do to make them comfortable. Sometimes all it is is for me to tell them about my life, growing up, what my family is like, etc. Then they feel a connection with you & its a whole lot easier for them to follow you through that hotel room door. I make it clear to them that it's meaningless to me if they are not enjoying themselves, and that I'm willing to do whatever it takes to make them comfortable with me because I do not want to be there if they aren't having a good time.

By the way that's not hard for me to say because it's honest truth. If you look at my posting history here, you'll notice the lack of reports with 'certain types' of women. I don't want to sleep with someone who is unenthusiastic & doesn't want to be there. I can get that at home LOL. GREAT sex is always bi-directional. That's what you should strive for.[/QUOTE]I would only add that at least for me if the chemstry isn't instant there usually isn't a second date. All 3 girls I see now had sex with me on the first date. And looking back except for a rare one or two it's always been like that. Including both my x wives.

I have a very specific type of girl I am attracted to, and I am a specific type as well. I try to predetermine thier attraction to my type upfront to avoid wasted time. It seems when I try to convince them it leads to nowhere. But I do lay quite a few cards on the table beforehand. And try to get as much relevant (what I consider to be relevant) info from them as well.

I am open to different arrangements, as we all are. So the interview stage can vary. Depending on that, it could go serious or not. But I never seem to stick to the casual arrangements. They either progress or die. I do currently have 2 girls in the convincing mode. And so far no real luck. A few sexy dates. No real commitment from them.

As mentioned in the last report, I was scheduled to have a date / FC visit with a 24 (?) year-old Japanese SB. I was looking forward to it because it would not only be my first full-blooded Asian SB but my first time specifically with a Japanese woman in my personal life or mongering. I have to say, the experience lived up to much of the hype.

While she is new to the Sugar Bowl, as some of you correctly pointed out,"compensated dating" has been around in Japan for a long time. Some studies have estimated over 30% of high school Japanese girls have been in some form of a "compensated" relationship. Though those relationships didn't always involve sexual relations.

So we met directly at the FC and she walked in through the door, she looked even better than I expected. She's tall (maybe 5'9") , thin and long legs. I'd probably give her a (9/9) , (face / body). We talked briefly but I could tell she was ready to go. She didn't need any warming up. What was amazing is that just simple rhythmic touches would have her writhing in ecstasy. Most women I've been with, you generally have to stimulate the pleasure areas to really get them going, but with this girl it was like almost her whole body was a pleasure zone and she would respond to every touch. I don't even think we kissed that much but I didn't even notice since almost every touch was passionate and sensuous. And when things picked up the pace, she became more aggressive and it took every ounce of my energy to keep pace with this sexual creature. At risk of upsetting a few of the brothers here, I'll leave out some of the remaining details. But suffice to say things got very wild toward the end.

We actually just ended up just having one round but then we laid around naked stroking each other for about a hour or so and talking. Then we parted ways since it was a weekday afternoon.

My Euro Baby is my gold standard and I compare everything to that. That experience will be very hard to top. But this experience came awfully close and some ways exceeded it. My Tokyo SB probably has more sexual intensity (ie. She's more of a freak, LOL) than the Euro Baby. But the Euro Baby is probably a tad bit hotter and the conversation flowed a tad bit easier. However with my Tokyo SB we already worked out the financial part of the arrangement, so that's in order and she's happy. BTW, I should mention I didn't give her an allowance at the FC. She agreed to meet first and then I would help with some school expenses afterward (This basically confirmed to me she wasn't a Pro). But I still gave her several gift cards and put them in a nice gift basket, so I still gave her something to show her I was a gentleman and not just looking for a free fuck.

We've already texted a little bit since the meeting and things look very promising. She also sent me a pic of her in a school girl outfit, which was a nice surprise. She definitely has the potential to be a ATF or QSB (Quality Sugar Baby). Also she primarily hangs out in the Japanese community and has a preference for my race, so hopefully it won't be too difficult for me to hold on to her.

On a side note, I know I'm speaking from somewhat limited experience but it really does seem like the foreign SBs who've only been in America for a few years make for some of the best sugar babies. Obviously it depends on the native country, but Eastern european countries, certain Asian and Latin american countries the women there will treat you like a king because their cultures still value men and women are raised to treat their men well. Young American college women here are still a great piece of ass. But many of them need to be taught to be sexually adventurous / passionate and others have the attitude they're doing you a favor. There's always exceptions, but if you manage to run into a foreign-born SB, definitely jump at the opportunity.

I'm just glad that since I've streamlined my docket, I can now afford my Tokyo SB. Not just by giving her the agreed upon allowance items, but also to afford the small touches like gift cards and etc, which will make the arrangement more organic and less transactional.

JGS,

I'm overjoyed to hear this news. I was actually reviewing your post from earlier last night & was going to ask you how this went.

Sounds like an idillic situation. A taste of something exotic, obviously easy on the pocket book, and an intense experience all around.

I suspect you have 100's of jealous readers giving you mental high-fives at the moment.

Congrats!

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1832234]Smoke,

I listen to things they tell me, text them in the interim, tell them they are beautiful and special, and try to give them as many orgasms as they can handle! I take them to nice restaurants, buy them flowers, clothes or groceries; take them to museums and concerts, sailing or make them picnics. In short, I treat them in a way that none of the douche-bag guys their own age do, or even come close to doing.

I put the sugar in a funny card with a short note of appreciation, or in a book I bought them that we might have been talking about, but never on the bedside table LOL! In the best relationships I have had, after a while the sugar becomes an afterthought in a way. While I always give it, it is often a few days or a week after an FC visit, or sometimes in advance of one. I believe it all comes down to how you treat your babies. Treat them well, in more ways than sugar, and it will come back to you a hundred-fold.

For more excellent ideas, scroll back and take a look at Tigg's MO. He and I share a very similar outlook, one proven to work.

Scott[/QUOTE]The secret that Scotty (and a few others) share involve real life dating techniques ignore the short term to gain a loyal long term Baby.

Most of us married guys can not engage in dating per se. The possibility of going to movies, concerts, even restaurants is fraught with hazard. So my game is limited to being a nice, sweet, loving guy while I am asking her if she is ready for the FC. I know I scare many new SBs away by my gentlemanly aggressive approach in going to the FC after a M&G, but it is what it is. If I were single it would be fun to sport these youngsters around to nifty activities.

Scotty, you are married so I don't know how you are able to date at home anyway. I can understand road trips hundreds of miles away though.

Before my sugar involvement I will never forget a friend who was divorced (50s) showing up at a Country Club Gala with the hottest young blue eyed blond I've ever seen. Nobody could believe it but now I know that she was a SB (or a high level escort ).

I am pretty much in the same boat as Nando.

Being married with kids, your time is very limited. That's why it's been really tough to try to land a true civil hot 18/19 yes old babes. These babes usually require multiple meets before the FC.

Like Nando. I have been pretty direct with my approach with the babies, while being very respectful and patience. Never give them the thought that you're being aggressive or forceful. This approach works with the slightly older babies, mid 20s. It works particularly well with the hot young moms.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1833259]I am pretty much in the same boat as Nando.

Being married with kids, your time is very limited. That's why it's been really tough to try to land a true civil hot 18/19 yes old babes. These babes usually require multiple meets before the FC.

Like Nando. I have been pretty direct with my approach with the babies, while being very respectful and patience. Never give them the thought that you're being aggressive or forceful. This approach works with the slightly older babies, mid 20s. It works particularly well with the hot young moms.[/QUOTE]Looks like we are in the same boat. Married with kids. I m back into the game to find new SB as my local one is not contacting me. She is 30 yr old and one of my long distance one in NJ (which I dated twice) is 24 yr old. But am thinking about 1-2 hour drive is little safer than local. I met my friend he told me he saw me in a restaurant with someone. I told him that was college student that we are working for a project. But need to sort local vs outskirts or long distance. To get 18/19 it might be better to go out of reach but I agree it takes lot more M&G

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1832889]But I still gave her several gift cards and put them in a nice gift basket, so I still gave her something to show her I was a gentleman and not just looking for a free fuck.

We've already texted a little bit since the meeting and things look very promising. She also sent me a pic of her in a school girl outfit, which was a nice surprise. She definitely has the potential to be a ATF or QSB (Quality Sugar Baby). Also she primarily hangs out in the Japanese community and has a preference for my race, so hopefully it won't be too difficult for me to hold on to her.[/QUOTE]Congrats! Sounds like you won the jackpot!

You did exactly the right thing with her. I'd suggest that you also take her for a nice dinner now and then, and open doors for her etc. The Japanese women I've dated have always commented that I treated them with respect and like a lady in public, and that most guys haven't done so. Do that and you'll keep her for some time!

Did you enjoy the squeaking? If you don't understand what I'm asking, then take a look at some true Japanese porn and notice the noises the women make! .

Smokarz / Hernardo,

Completely agreed with you. And on the same boat with you two. I tried to get those 18/19 babes, but no luck because I just can't do "regular dating" with them. MILF are better, but still some MILFs are asking for crazy sugar amount in San Diego.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1833259]I am pretty much in the same boat as Nando.

Being married with kids, your time is very limited. That's why it's been really tough to try to land a true civil hot 18/19 yes old babes. These babes usually require multiple meets before the FC.

Like Nando. I have been pretty direct with my approach with the babies, while being very respectful and patience. Never give them the thought that you're being aggressive or forceful. This approach works with the slightly older babies, mid 20s. It works particularly well with the hot young moms.[/QUOTE]

The two best SBs I've had yet both came from them responding to CL ads I had placed. I've found CL overall much more rewarding than SA.

[QUOTE=BikeRider; 1833386]Congrats! Sounds like you won the jackpot!

You did exactly the right thing with her. I'd suggest that you also take her for a nice dinner now and then, and open doors for her etc. The Japanese women I've dated have always commented that I treated them with respect and like a lady in public, and that most guys haven't done so. Do that and you'll keep her for some time!

Did you enjoy the squeaking? If you don't understand what I'm asking, then take a look at some true Japanese porn and notice the noises the women make! .[/QUOTE]Thanks ChiGuy and BikeRider. I've had some up and downs recently and a legit Long-Term SB has seemed very elusive in recent months. It's still too early to tell, but I might have finally found a perfect fit with my Tokyo SB. We'll see.

As for as squeaking, she definitely made some unique sounds. But it wasn't as exaggerated as you might see in some of the Japanese porn. My Tokyo baby is also a bit of a talker when things heat up and she would alternate between saying things in English and Japanese, which honestly made the experience even hotter.

I'm in the same boat as Nando, Smokarz, and Dog Rice. It would be great to take a SB to a fancy restaurant, go sailing, museums, and etc. But being married, I have to be very discreet so that's basically playing with fire if I do those things within a hour radius of where I live. You never know who will see you and it's even worse if you don't see them.

So I really only do outdoor activities with a SB if I'm at least 90-120 minutes away from home and it's not in a population center. And even then, I can only go on multi-hour excursions off the grid like that maybe once or twice a month. And I don't want to drive 4 hours round-trip just for a 45 minute M&G that doesn't go anywhere. So when I drive that far it's usually straight to the FC and then we might do some outdoor activities afterward. If we've already met before then sometimes we'll do the outdoor activities first.

Locally, I try to avoid the typical M&G like the plague. Just way too risky even if you find a quiet spot on the other side of town. I've run into people I know randomly all over the place within 45-50 minute radius of my house. So I take the same approach as Nando. I try to be a gentleman and respectful, but explain why I need to meet directly at the FC and be discreet. Girls who have boyfriends and husbands generally want discretion themselves and understand. But single SBs sometimes have a hard time with this because they do want that dating experience. With the right SB, I have taken a road-trip with them out of town for some fun, but it's the exception. I not only need to have enough free time but it needs to be with a SB who I could spend 4 hours in the car with without going crazy.

I really do envy those married guys who travel frequently out of state. It means you can actually behave like a single guy when you're with your SB.

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1833664]I really do envy those married guys who travel frequently out of state. It means you can actually behave like a single guy when you're with your SB.[/QUOTE]JGS.

Well said. I think only MILF or pros will go to FC directly. I was lucky to travel twice to NJ and had heck of a time. I was behaving like single and absolutely was not worries anywhere. Obviously NJ is 5-6 hours from RIC. My problem is don't travel that often. But I agree, those who travel for business. You can have lots of fun.

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1833664]I'm in the same boat as Nando, Smokarz, and Dog Rice. It would be great to take a SB to a fancy restaurant, go sailing, museums, and etc. But being married, I have to be very discreet so that's basically playing with fire if I do those things within a hour radius of where I live. You never know who will see you and it's even worse if you don't see them.

So I really only do outdoor activities with a SB if I'm at least 90-120 minutes away from home and it's not in a population center. And even then, I can only go on multi-hour excursions off the grid like that maybe once or twice a month. And I don't want to drive 4 hours round-trip just for a 45 minute M&G that doesn't go anywhere. So when I drive that far it's usually straight to the FC and then we might do some outdoor activities afterward. If we've already met before then sometimes we'll do the outdoor activities first.

Locally, I try to avoid the typical M&G like the plague. Just way too risky even if you find a quiet spot on the other side of town. I've run into people I know randomly all over the place within 45-50 minute radius of my house. So I take the same approach as Nando. I try to be a gentleman and respectful, but explain why I need to meet directly at the FC and be discreet. Girls who have boyfriends and husbands generally want discretion themselves and understand. But single SBs sometimes have a hard time with this because they do want that dating experience. With the right SB, I have taken a road-trip with them out of town for some fun, but it's the exception. I not only need to have enough free time but it needs to be with a SB who I could spend 4 hours in the car with without going crazy.

I really do envy those married guys who travel frequently out of state. It means you can actually behave like a single guy when you're with your SB.[/QUOTE]I second this post. I just started in the SB world and its straight to the FC for me. Other stuff way too risky.

I also would like to thank everyone here that guided me in my adventures. Would not have started without you. Nothing to report just yet, but have a couple SBs I am working on. One MILF and another single. Both 25, or so they say. One sounds like she is still married. Need super undercover for that one.

John,

I have tried about the multi-hour distance SBs (actually, is a freebie) for a year or so. It was fun and rewarding, but it is getting too risky over time. I was spending more and more time away from home (because it was FUN) , and I can "smell" that SO is getting curious about me being so busy. So, I ended the relationship painful but it was a wise call.

Now, I am pretty much up front w / the pot about going to FC (or M&G at a coffee shop). This cuts down my selection significantly. I had two SBs who can host at their place, which is one of the ideal situation as going to hotel is risky as well.

Buz travel is great! I was traveling every 2 months internationally before 2009 (damn financial breakdown.) , and I had freebies / gfs in multiple cities. Great time back then.

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1833664]I'm in the same boat as Nando, Smokarz, and Dog Rice. It would be great to take a SB to a fancy restaurant, go sailing, museums, and etc. But being married, I have to be very discreet so that's basically playing with fire if I do those things within a hour radius of where I live. You never know who will see you and it's even worse if you don't see them.

So I really only do outdoor activities with a SB if I'm at least 90-120 minutes away from home and it's not in a population center. And even then, I can only go on multi-hour excursions off the grid like that maybe once or twice a month. And I don't want to drive 4 hours round-trip just for a 45 minute M&G that doesn't go anywhere. So when I drive that far it's usually straight to the FC and then we might do some outdoor activities afterward. If we've already met before then sometimes we'll do the outdoor activities first.

Locally, I try to avoid the typical M&G like the plague. Just way too risky even if you find a quiet spot on the other side of town. I've run into people I know randomly all over the place within 45-50 minute radius of my house. So I take the same approach as Nando. I try to be a gentleman and respectful, but explain why I need to meet directly at the FC and be discreet. Girls who have boyfriends and husbands generally want discretion themselves and understand. But single SBs sometimes have a hard time with this because they do want that dating experience. With the right SB, I have taken a road-trip with them out of town for some fun, but it's the exception. I not only need to have enough free time but it needs to be with a SB who I could spend 4 hours in the car with without going crazy.

I really do envy those married guys who travel frequently out of state. It means you can actually behave like a single guy when you're with your SB.[/QUOTE]

I went to spend the night with SB # 1 as usual and her phone was turned off, so I didn't keep up with my burner. In the AM I couldn't find it so it either fell out or she nabbed it when we went for a snack. I also didn't have the PW feature on so she could access all my black book and numerous texts with many other girls. There was no I'd info leading to me and she was never in the car alone so I know she didn't rifle through my papers. She might have seen / felt it on the floorboard under her feet and been curious. She said cars in her apartment complex were broken into so maybe some itinerant gypsy thief was skimming cash and saleable items.

Speaking of :

SB #1 Is getting a little Nando 1 and asked for her 1st advance. I do "trust her" so I might prepay. If I get scammed it won't be a big loss. She has no meal requirements so the total tab is 250 all night. She is a hot little spinner but is not sexually adventurous. She does willingly receive my BB donation.

SB #2

Is a weekly appointment for a few hours but it does cost me 300 plus dinner. She is a little chubby so I am interviewing a super hottie.

Pot #1

Is a 9/9? Asian. I love Asians so I hope I can nab her. She will be in big demand so I give her a 20 % chance. Again I will be bargaining for a fast trip to the FC.

WG (working girl)

I might replace SB #2 with a WG since it is transactional and there is no pretense to wine and dine . She is really a one or two hour girl anyway so I have to drive 1 1/2 hrs each way ,treat to dinner ,then don't get the all night pop, so it deserves rethinking .

WG#1 is my old time fav ,reliable, BB ,GFE .

WG #2 is a hot blonde referred to me by a friend . I will see if she is available . No travel or dinner saves me prob $100 minimum

I had accounts on both sites and currently active on both.

I see many fellows here have great success with SD4M, but for my area (Hartford, CT) , both qualities and quantities are far behind that of SA.

Curious if this varied significantly by areas. Would love to hear from others, where do you hunt?

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1834399]I had accounts on both sites and currently active on both.

I see many fellows here have great success with SD4M, but for my area (Hartford, CT) , both qualities and quantities are far behind that of SA.

Curious if this varied significantly by areas. Would love to hear from others, where do you hunt?[/QUOTE]I think most agree that sd4me is more nando 1 territory. I like it because it has a lot of young AA spinners that ready willing and able.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1834399]I had accounts on both sites and currently active on both.

I see many fellows here have great success with SD4M, but for my area (Hartford, CT) , both qualities and quantities are far behind that of SA.

Curious if this varied significantly by areas. Would love to hear from others, where do you hunt?[/QUOTE]I've tried SD4M for their 3 day free trials on a couple of different occasions and I didn't have any success at all. I actually like SA an awful lot but my success rate has been awfully low there when I fish locally. On the other hand, when I used SA to fish for temporary SBs for a Vegas trip, my cup was overflowing with responses. So I suspect my lack of success locally with SA has more to do with my area than anything else. My best two SBs yet have both come from CL ads that I posted. Though CL has its own problems, I still favor that over either SA or SD4M.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1834399]I had accounts on both sites and currently active on both.

I see many fellows here have great success with SD4M, but for my area (Hartford, CT) , both qualities and quantities are far behind that of SA.

Curious if this varied significantly by areas. Would love to hear from others, where do you hunt?[/QUOTE]I truly believe, as has been said, that SD4Me and SA vary according to geographical location, and of course, what kind of baby you are looking for. In my area, Chicago, I very much prefer SA over SD4Me, both in terms of quantity, but more importantly, quality. A while back I took advantage of the 3-day trial period on SD, (which turned into a 45 day access glitch, yay!) and found at least 75 to 80% of the babies on there were pros. In all fairness, my hot nursing student and my HYM both came from there, both of whom I continue to see, and both of whom are happy with a lower dose of sugar than my SA babies.

Now that I think of it, both of them are insatiable in bed as well. Hmmm, I may need to rethink this LOL! I do find the intellectual level of babies on SA to be higher, and thus the "added intangibles" package is greater. For me, at least, I want a connection that goes beyond the FC, and I find that, on a whole, the babies on SA are better educated, more well-rounded, and less in the Nando 1 territory.

I think the advice I would give to any new brother is to try them both and see which one you prefer, knowing things vary by area.

And, as always, don't forget to write!

Scott

How about if we all stop posting until at least 3 new guys post. Lurkers / newbies cmon. Seems like the same 10 guys do all the posting. I think I posted on the site my first day. It was probably lame, but so what. No newbie bashing for the first 3 new posters. LOL

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1835734]How about if we all stop posting until at least 3 new guys post. Lurkers / newbies cmon. Seems like the same 10 guys do all the posting. I think I posted on the site my first day. It was probably lame, but so what. No newbie bashing for the first 3 new posters. LOL[/QUOTE]Us newbies at least me don't have a lot to report. I have been a member of SD4M for a month now and I'm just not feeling the love LOL. I have had one M&G and that was from CL, which I thought went well. This was a married lady who has a shitty husband with 2-3 kids that needed help. She had just gotten off work and had 15 minutes to meet before having to be home. We ended up making out in the car, and she was very eager to take it to the next level when she left for home. Upon getting home she sent me a text that she couldn't wait for the next meeting and from there it went south.

I think she had a morality attack because I stressed to her that if she had any hopes for her marriage that she shouldn't do this because no matter how careful she was sooner or later the husband would find out. I would text and it would be hours before she would reply, then she was just too busy to make another meeting so after a week of this I gave up on her. The closest Sb to home to contact me is 1/2 hour drive, a 36 year old with kids that needs help, but there again has decided to try a second job before trying the SB route. I have had a bunch of ladies contact me that are 4-5 hours or further away but not going to get into the traveling mode for this. I cast my net for a 50 mile radius and there is over 100 pages of SB in this range and I have sent out numerous messages but as yet have not received any responses from the ladies close to home. Starting my 2nd month of SD4M and will evaluate what I want to do at the end of the month. This is why most lurkers don't post because we really have nothing to contribute.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1835734]How about if we all stop posting until at least 3 new guys post. Lurkers / newbies cmon. Seems like the same 10 guys do all the posting. I think I posted on the site my first day. It was probably lame, but so what. No newbie bashing for the first 3 new posters. LOL[/QUOTE]LBs (Lurker Brothers) ,

It is time to come out of the shadows and contribute! Even if it is only about POTS, it would be nice to hear of your experiences. I know you are out there, don't be shy!

Waiting,

Scott

Does anyone use one of the paid reverse phone lookup services when doing background? None of them are free, and I am not sure it's worth paying for. I was wondering if anyone had tried one and could comment on it.

I am not a lurker, so do I qualify to post? .

Finally a none HYM. Guess it's my luck that I've meeting with 3 HYMs the past couple months.

I am not a big fan of AA girls, but this cutie seems to have lots of potentials. 24, went to college, work, and has her own place.

Needs help with her $1500 rent.

Agreed on $175 weekly allowance for 2 FC visits per week. I'll update in a couple of days after our first FC date.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]266494[/ATTACH]

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1836045]I am not a lurker, so do I qualify to post? .

Finally a none HYM. Guess it's my luck that I've meeting with 3 HYMs the past couple months.

I am not a big fan of AA girls, but this cutie seems to have lots of potentials. 24, went to college, work, and has her own place.

Needs help with her $1500 rent.

Agreed on $175 weekly allowance for 2 FC visits per week. I'll update in a couple of days after our first FC date.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]266494[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]Smoke,

You've posted before, so I'm sorry to say you do not qualify as a lurker, at least in my book, but thanks for signing in anyway!

Two things I notice right away, and I would welcome additional comments: $1500 a month rent! I don't know where you are located, but in Chicago, that buys you a sweet highrise apartment with a view of Lake Michigan and a terrace! If this is what she says she's paying it must be some fabulous pad, or she could be jerking your chain.

I would go with the latter, since she is asking for less than half of her monthly rent, not even the total monthly nut, for two conjugal visits per week. (I'm hoping I've done the math correctly. If not, sorry, I was a Humanities major in college!) At this point I would be asking myself if I even [I]wanted[/I] two visits per week, four weeks a month, twelve months a year, ten years a decade ... well, you get the point.

All this to say that if you want to hit it, by all means full speed ahead! What could it hurt? And nothing ventured, nothing fucked, if that's how that saying goes. But you might want to suggest to her that you start off with a weekly allowance, just to make sure you two are sympatico, and note to yourself the escape hatches nearest you should you have to bail.

In any event, please let us know how it all turns out.

In other news, my Nola baby (obsession!!) , has cast up on the shores of Lake Michigan completely unexpectedly this weekend, and we are planning a get-together tomorrow around noon!! My brothers, many of you know how I feel about her, so if I never post here again, you will know what has happened, and I hope you will contact me in the future should you ever get down to the Big Easy. I'd love to have a beer with you!

Fingers totally crossed,

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1836343]Smoke,

You've posted before, so I'm sorry to say you do not qualify as a lurker, at least in my book, but thanks for signing in anyway!

Two things I notice right away, and I would welcome additional comments: $1500 a month rent! I don't know where you are located, but in Chicago, that buys you a sweet highrise apartment with a view of Lake Michigan and a terrace! If this is what she says she's paying it must be some fabulous pad, or she could be jerking your chain.

I would go with the latter, since she is asking for less than half of her monthly rent, not even the total monthly nut, for two conjugal visits per week. (I'm hoping I've done the math correctly. If not, sorry, I was a Humanities major in college!) At this point I would be asking myself if I even [I]wanted[/I] Two visits per week, four weeks a month, twelve months a year, ten years a decade. Well, you get the point.

All this to say that if you want to hit it, by all means full speed ahead! What could it hurt? And nothing ventured, nothing fucked, if that's how that saying goes. But you might want to suggest to her that you start off with a weekly allowance, just to make sure you two are sympatico, and note to yourself the escape hatches nearest you should you have to bail.

In any event, please let us know how it all turns out.

In other news, my Nola baby (obsession!) , has cast up on the shores of Lake Michigan completely unexpectedly this weekend, and we are planning a get-together tomorrow around noon! My brothers, many of you know how I feel about her, so if I never post here again, you will know what has happened, and I hope you will contact me in the future should you ever get down to the Big Easy. I'd love to have a beer with you!

Fingers totally crossed,

Scott[/QUOTE]1500 in any decent part of LA will get you a shitty 2 BR apt or a decent 1 BR or a nice studio. Nice but not awesome. Thats why I try to stick to the burbs.

[QUOTE=John HandCock;1835790]I cast my net for a 50 mile radius and there is over 100 pages of SB in this range and I have sent out numerous messages[/QUOTE]Sort by "last visit" and hit up every girl that was on within the last 48 hours.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1836539]Sort by "last visit" and hit up every girl that was on within the last 48 hours.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice, will give that a shot and see what happens.

Scott. I am not surprised if her rent is 1500 a month, again do I really care if it is? .

A decent downtown 2BR apartment in my area can easily command at least 1200. She used to have a roommate, but the roommie moved out. Or so she said.

She's asking for help with her rent, not pay it for her. This girl got a job. LOL.

Like you said Scott, I proposed a weekly allowance so we can test things out, which she gladly accepted. I am having her come to the FC to see me this Weds so will see.

Am I the only guy to post pics of babies and pots here?

I notice guys are keeping their babies pretty well hidden. What give?

Personally, I like to see the qualities of fine babies you gents are pulling in.

So, consider this an invitation to post away.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1836045]I am not a lurker, so do I qualify to post? .

Finally a none HYM. Guess it's my luck that I've meeting with 3 HYMs the past couple months.

I am not a big fan of AA girls, but this cutie seems to have lots of potentials. 24, went to college, work, and has her own place.

Needs help with her $1500 rent.

Agreed on $175 weekly allowance for 2 FC visits per week. I'll update in a couple of days after our first FC date.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]266494[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]I live in a resort town with very little to no decent jobs outside of waiting tables, working in hotels, government or healthcare. The joke here is that it's a great place to live but BYOJ. Bring your own job. A decent 2 bedroom apartment here costs at least $1, 000 a month. Sorry if I seem a little down here, but my last two Pots quoted me prices of $500 and $1, 000 PER VISIT! $175 for 2 visits per week? Maybe I should consider moving!

Am I the only guy to post pics of babies and pots here?

I notice guys are keeping their babies pretty well hidden. What give?

Personally, I like to see the qualities of fine babies you gents are pulling in.

So, consider this an invitation to post away.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1836787]Am I the only guy to post pics of babies and pots here?

I notice guys are keeping their babies pretty well hidden. What give?

Personally, I like to see the qualities of fine babies you gents are pulling in.

So, consider this an invitation to post away.[/QUOTE]Smoke,

Hollywood, Tigg and a few others have been more than generous with sharing, but I, for one, have never felt comfortable asking my babies if I could take pics, and in fact I can't even conceive of a way to broach the subject without having them immediately jump up, slap me, get dressed, and head out the door. This may be my own hang-up, but there it is.

The one time I did post pics, which were sent to me by a POT, I immediately regretted it, so I'm not going to be a good source for you, sadly. I agree though, I think it's nice to put a face to a name, but I would hope the clubhouse journal would not become overrun with slide shows, since one member's ATF could easily be another's WTF, and I would hate for this beautiful thread to become another pitched battlefield!

Just my opinion,

Scott

This subject came up a couple of months ago, so I'll just repost what I said then:

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1775773]Nice to see pictures here.

And I don't want to discourage people from posting pics, but I'll give you guys my reasons for not posting pics just so you can evaluate both sides of it.

The people who post in this forum I think are mostly honorable men / mongers / SDs. Unfortunately, for every poster in this thread there are 10 lurkers who read this board many of which don't even have an account on the site. They're not bound by the ethics of our little brotherhood here. For example, if some lurker recognizes a girl from a picture I post, he could be a jerk and contact her on the SD site / email / txt and point her to this topic. Now this SB knows my full diary of activities and it's a big breach in my cover because someone can now connect my face to my forum account. Even if she doesn't know my full identity, having her know my forum account is a risk because she could cause havoc if she ever did find out my identity.

Also, the vast majority of us are using the same three sites to find SBs and fish in the same ponds as many of the lurkers. The more pictures you post, just increases the odds that someone will recognize a baby you're seeing.

Again I'm not trying to discourage people from posting pics, but you should just be aware of the risks involved. If you're married or have a high-profile job, you probably should refrain from posting pics. If you're single and own your own business then the risks probably aren't that bad.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1836767]Am I the only guy to post pics of babies and pots here?

I notice guys are keeping their babies pretty well hidden. What give?

Personally, I like to see the qualities of fine babies you gents are pulling in.

So, consider this an invitation to post away.[/QUOTE] Understandable most guys dont post. If i was married I dont think I would either

I'm with Scotty on this one. If I like the girls I don't want to disrespect them, if I don't I don't want them to disrespect me.

Hey? I just realized I'm a SENIOR now WooHoo.

SB #1

Is collapsing into Nando 1 territory. She is a hot number but is getting unreliable and a prepayment has resulted in a cancelled appointment. Now, she has a really good reason and if it is true I feel bad for even thinking it. But, I've been there before. We'll see.

SB #2

Is a very reliable performer. She is bright and cute albeit a little chunky. She is a good BFD (body fluid depository)

Pot #1.

Is an exotic (Asian / AA) looking AA 23 yr old with a drop dead body I'd call her a 9/10? She will call me later so I can see if she is educated or ghetto. I'm going for it in a few days.

Pot #2.

Is a 10/10? Asian who is 22 and tickles my fancy. I am hot on Asians. She is open to a M&G.

Pot #3

Is also Asian and is a 8/8?

She is experienced and says all the right things for an ideal SB.

5 Pots were interviewed the past two days and there is a lot of GPS going around. I don't mind because they all appeal to me and I can't handle the ones on the slate already.