"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=VeryBigBuck;3944888]This week I met up with my newest SB for a nice sushi dinner. We had done a meet and greet last week and she confirmed before last night's date that she was down to grab a hotel after dinner to add the physical aspect to our new friendship. The best part is that there was zero discussion of money. She is 5 foot nothing, slim, early 20's and a PhD candidate. She looks 18. She is light as a feather so I had a sh*t eating grin on my face as I was lifting her up and down on my cock like a fleshlight. This one is a keeper, just like a very horny girlfriend. We did every thing but anal, but I did not try for it. Uncovered everything, CIP.[/QUOTE]That sounds a lot what I hope is the stage tomorrow night for a 2nd NSA dinner. After we had our first NSA (which could not have gone better from a personal-chemistry perspective), she is definitely more engaged in the texting conversations we have. She looks four years younger than her mid-20-something actual age, keeps herself very fit, and is adorable. She is all but broadcasting that she's basically game to tango, and that physical intimacy will be in the equation almost immediately.

Only thing we really need to work out is logistics and finances. My radar has not detected GPS, so hopefully that conversation will go smoothly, as she seems a keeper if we can come to agreeable terms.

That said, there's a ton of chaff to go through, much worse than when I was previously active. There are all these new twists to GPS now. Just this week a newly-created profile favorited me, then messaged me that I didn't have much on my profile, and that she didn't "have time to interview every guy on here". I was going to respond, but then saw her delete the favorite. So I did the same and just deleted the message. The next day she writes asking whether I'd updated my profile yet. So I decided to humor her by explaining my rationale for a short profile, and giving her some idea of my personality and that I saw potential based on her (lengthy) profile. I happened to put in the caveat that the distance might be an issue. She responds that other SD's wouldn't have any problem driving that far, and that she "could fly to Germany tomorrow" if the mood struck her.

Shortly thereafter she blocked me. Which is fine, no way was I going to put up with that level of "I'm doing you a favor by even talking to you" attitude.

Oh for the good old days.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3943384]I have had 2 SBs text me this week that showed an I'd. One was her real name. The other was a business. I assume the business one was using a company phone. The other must not know her name is showing because a quick check of her socials showed was 10 years older and fatter than her profile info. Also showed her very buff boyfriend that could whip my ass with one hand.

Very odd to see any I'd info in this hobby.[/QUOTE]I'd stay away from anyone showing an I'd. It could be a scammer using a stolen I'd to convince you they are real when in fact they are setting you up. Then when you are convinced she is real, they will feed you a sob story about her pet dog who needs emergency surgery and ask you to send money site unseen. Another scam story is that her house got robbed or that she's getting evicted from her apartment. All classic scam stories.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3944792]That might've worked then, but the site is nothing like it was 2 years ago. Using the app instead of the site means they just reply to messages and scroll through photos, even the legit ones first message is usually "what are you looking for" when you're profile clearly states exactly what you are seeking, so they're not even looking at the profile usually. As far as the scamsters their strategy is to cast a wide net, they know they're going to get 50 No's before they find a sucker. There's always been the individual girls thinking they can sell pics or find platonic or online only and those are easier to weed out because they'll tell you quickly what they're after, I think the big change is that there seem to almost be troll farms on there, bucket shop operations probably in Russia or somewhere, that are more sophisticated and smart.

Regardless, the % of legit profiles (real girl, local, wanting an arrangement) has probably gone from 80% of the new profiles to about 30% of the new profiles in the last few years, so it's just harder.[/QUOTE]Yeah. It's just easier to hit the girls up in the "real world. " Those same chicks are working in service industries, but you're going to have to chat them up some. I've seen other guys on here say the same thing.

I will be in Lynchburg VA on trip.

Any mongers there to share trusted SB.

PM me profile name with contact info.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3945219]Yeah. It's just easier to hit the girls up in the "real world. " Those same chicks are working in service industries, but you're going to have to chat them up some. I've seen other guys on here say the same thing.[/QUOTE]I think he has a good point, and honestly I would rather do the in person thing. Do any of you know any good spots to try? "service industries" is kind of vague, but if anyone has any ideas on specific spots for me to hit up, I am happy to try them out and report back! I am still pretty new to Richmond, so I wouldn't know the first thing about where to go to find potential SB's here. If this were Austin, where I used to live, this would be another story!

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3943825]There needs to be pinned post at the top of the SA forum in every city saying not to buy pics, send anything upfront or send money of any kind electronically, that it's always a scam. What's gotten worse recently is that a few months ago there were a ton of profiles seeking online only so you could just ignore them, but the girls (or probably guys in some cases) have gotten much more sophisticated, probably out of necessity as they weren't finding enough suckers, errr customers.[/QUOTE]The ones I get a chuckle out of are the ones that say you must send them something from their wishlist or, worse, send them money via a cash app "to prove you're serious" before they'll give you the time of day. Entitled much?

I just did a sort on newest members for Richmond. Counted 93 in past 7 days. I find it hard to believe they are all real. Considering how many unviewed messages I have had in the last 3 weeks, there has to be a lot of fake profiles as filler on SA.

The advantage of SA is that because a girl has joined the site she has already indicated she is willing to consider being intimate with older man, wants financial support and is available.

Being able to meet attractive young women is not so difficult at restaurants, bars, clubs and strip clubs that cater to men and older men. It can take a lot of work, and not always easy, to figure out if they'd be open to " dating" an older man.

I've had good luck at strip clubs, but that environment is good for flirting and getting to know someone over the course of multiple visits. Not as easy at places like hooters, twin peaks or twisted kilt where it's not as easy to approach a server that's not assigned to you.

I've civi dated several strippers that I've met from clubs. I've dated college athletes, cheerleaders, waitresses, bartenders, fitness / yoga instructors, models and the like all off SA. I'm not sure how else I would have met them of not for SA.

I'm curious about others experiences, techniques and spots to do so.

[QUOTE=DSmith2704;3945748]I think he has a good point, and honestly I would rather do the in person thing. Do any of you know any good spots to try? "service industries" is kind of vague, but if anyone has any ideas on specific spots for me to hit up, I am happy to try them out and report back! I am still pretty new to Richmond, so I wouldn't know the first thing about where to go to find potential SB's here. If this were Austin, where I used to live, this would be another story![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3945910]I just did a sort on newest members for Richmond. Counted 93 in past 7 days. I find it hard to believe they are all real. Considering how many unviewed messages I have had in the last 3 weeks, there has to be a lot of fake profiles as filler on SA.[/QUOTE]VCU move-in was recent. Wonder if that correlates.

I have a regular SB, tall volleyball player, mid-20's, flawless body, daddy issues. I hadn't seen her in a year+ and got back in touch. She hadn't been on SA for all that time. I asked before the first time back in the FC if she wanted me to bring anything, expecting her to ask for some toy or alcohol, she comes back w / flowers. I got her a simple grocery store bouquet, and she continues to talk about it a week+ after the FC. Sometimes, these girls do really just want to feel like they matter to someone, even though they also want to f** like bunnies and receive their allowance. FFA.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3946027]The advantage of SA is that because a girl has joined the site she has already indicated she is willing to consider being intimate with older man, wants financial support and is available.

Being able to meet attractive young women is not so difficult at restaurants, bars, clubs and strip clubs that cater to men and older men. It can take a lot of work, and not always easy, to figure out if they'd be open to " dating" an older man.

I've had good luck at strip clubs, but that environment is good for flirting and getting to know someone over the course of multiple visits. Not as easy at places like hooters, twin peaks or twisted kilt where it's not as easy to approach a server that's not assigned to you.

I've civi dated several strippers that I've met from clubs. I've dated college athletes, cheerleaders, waitresses, bartenders, fitness / yoga instructors, models and the like all off SA. I'm not sure how else I would have met them of not for SA.

I'm curious about others experiences, techniques and spots to do so.[/QUOTE]Here's a great post about accidental SD status outside of SA.

[POST=3917493]DoggieFan's accidental Sugarbaby[/POST]

[QUOTE=DSmith2704;3945748]I think he has a good point, and honestly I would rather do the in person thing. Do any of you know any good spots to try? "service industries" is kind of vague, but if anyone has any ideas on specific spots for me to hit up, I am happy to try them out and report back! I am still pretty new to Richmond, so I wouldn't know the first thing about where to go to find potential SB's here. If this were Austin, where I used to live, this would be another story![/QUOTE]Waitresses / Bartenders.

Target.

Gym desk attendants.

Hotel front desk workers (or any kind of front desk worker really).

Barista.

I've had success over the past 6 years with all of the above and with consistency.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3946027]The advantage of SA is that because a girl has joined the site she has already indicated she is willing to consider being intimate with older man, wants financial support and is available.

Being able to meet attractive young women is not so difficult at restaurants, bars, clubs and strip clubs that cater to men and older men. It can take a lot of work, and not always easy, to figure out if they'd be open to " dating" an older man.

I've had good luck at strip clubs, but that environment is good for flirting and getting to know someone over the course of multiple visits. Not as easy at places like hooters, twin peaks or twisted kilt where it's not as easy to approach a server that's not assigned to you.

I've civi dated several strippers that I've met from clubs. I've dated college athletes, cheerleaders, waitresses, bartenders, fitness / yoga instructors, models and the like all off SA. I'm not sure how else I would have met them of not for SA.

I'm curious about others experiences, techniques and spots to do so.[/QUOTE]Here's a tip for places like Hooters / Twisted Kilt / Etc. Sit at the bar fairly close to where the waitresses have to come to pick up the order drinks at their tables. They typically have to stand there for awhile waiting and that's your chance to either make conversation or if its a place you go often, get recognized.

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;3947264]Waitresses / Bartenders.

Target.

Gym desk attendants.

Hotel front desk workers (or any kind of front desk worker really).

Barista.

I've had success over the past 6 years with all of the above and with consistency.[/QUOTE]Repeating some advice I saw on this thread some time ago, this is likely an activity best left to those who are single. W / an SO, it is hazardous to be hooking up w / girls this way, or really anyplace but the sites that give us our anonymity. I have certainly thought about this many times, from the girl at a mall kiosk who gives me the eye as I walk by, to the hottie in front of me in line at the bank. I have thought about getting business cards printed up ($10 from VistaPrint) w / all my SD fake identity and contact info, but haven't pulled the trigger. Obviously, fake business cards would be evidence I wouldn't want my SO to see.

If anyone has met with her, please PM me. That's all the info I am posting in public here. Anyone who has will know why I am asking about her. Unfortunately some of my past post about SA girls have gotten back to them more than once.