"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=CrazySpice;3929350]You do prepay before visits occurred? Or post pay after visits occurred? How do you determine she is trust worthy if you do prepay. In my experience a pot took 5 oo for weekly arrangement and gone silent.[/QUOTE]All depends on where you are in the lifecycle. First meetings, pay upon delivery of services. Usually as she is leaving (I have a friend in Retail who slides me a box of the Estee Lauder "Gift with PUrchase" from the beauty department -- I slide the cash inside the little carrying case and most women just love the idea of a gift with hidden cash vs sweaty wad of cash making them feel like a *****.

I have a long running arrangement with a very vague running tally. She needed some car repairs and a few medical bills over the months. So I rarely gave her any cash when we met, but was usually pre-gifting as she needed and I could afford, plus she booked and paid for hotel room so that was factored in. Have no firm idea where I stand on the tally, but I have a very happy cock and its not affecting my financial state, so I guess I'm in good shape.

I've succesfully bartered some fuck fests -- items at charity auctions are the best, though some of my clients give me freebies -- weekend in DC or NYC, spa days. Restaurants Ill never eat at. For them to use the travel prizes, they have to disclose their true identities so I can book it for them. That involves a level of trust that implies the pay off. Some I've pre-gifted and then boned them all night when I met them. Never had a "pre-paid" bail on me yet. Several like the idea of getting a treat they would never spend money on themselves, but desperately want.

Then there are "expense substitution" gifts. I don't give them cash, but they bring their cable or cell bill and after the first round, I log on and pay it off for them. My last one like this was about to lose her Comcast service -- same as I use at the office -- so I could pay it from my business account and it s a write off -- and no, I checked, there is no track back to my bank info for the SB to see.

[QUOTE=NeoDude;3932682]Nothing to update.

She went dark on me.

Assume had better plans for long weekend.[/QUOTE]Said she would drive to Cville to meet me. $400 plus hotel. Not bad given the travel involved. Don't think she will ever, though.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3932358]Anyone care to PM thoughts on her if you have seen her? She cancelled the very minute I drove up to the meeting place. She couldn't get away from home to met up. Been down that road too many times with student SB's on here. She's just 19 unlike what her profile says. Not shy when texting and seems to be wide open for anything. Thanks.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6850ddd7-cd63-4e0a-a8a2-ddeb0eeaad39[/URL][/QUOTE]I was texting with her just a couple days ago. Then yesterday morning she sent me a text and said she was playing with herself. I asked if I could see, and then she hit me up with the sales pitch. She sent me a link to a site where I had to pay for her videos. That's when I went dark on her. She sounded like she was all business.

Also, her profile said she was 21, after talking awhile she said she was 20, and now you're saying she's 19. Some things aren't adding up.

[QUOTE=Runnerj;3932319]Wish I found this forum last year.

Been looking to move up from ho (s) to SA since backpage crashed.

Am willing to pay more to get more but running into GPS (out of my range. And doubt have anything to offer for that price).

Or dead fish at the 2 $ range.

This one has not been on site for long time like the permanent babies that are a waster of time.

And has a interesting look. Mix or cauc and oriental.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8138bf50-311f-4dde-a4e2-959eb90e6fee[/URL]

I know I am new here but not a lot of reviews in the forum, so if that is done private please PM.

Any info if can negotiate into my range or if has decent skills worth it.

I will contribute when I get going.[/QUOTE]She's far from a newbie; multiple profiles on SA, WYP and SB each, and they're at least 2 years old. I've tried her, several months ago; serious GPS, and a raving ***** to boot. My advice is to avoid.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3932358]Anyone care to PM thoughts on her if you have seen her? She cancelled the very minute I drove up to the meeting place. She couldn't get away from home to met up. Been down that road too many times with student SB's on here. She's just 19 unlike what her profile says. Not shy when texting and seems to be wide open for anything. Thanks.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6850ddd7-cd63-4e0a-a8a2-ddeb0eeaad39[/URL][/QUOTE]GPS alll the way, told me she gets 500 per week just for videos and pics, I told her she was a very lucky girl.

[QUOTE=ProfessorMan;3930991]Okay, I am replying to my own post because I just checked in with Happiness and she does not want me to give out any details. That already tells you a lot. She is not a professional and discretion is very important to her. What I can add is that I have seen her several times and we always had a great time together. I would be seeing more of her, but she lives in Richmond and I live in Charlottesville and neither one of us likes to drive much. I can also say that I was pleasantly surprised when I first met her in person. Her SA pictures do not do her justice IMHO. I thought she was much nicer looking in person. She has a very nice figure and keeps herself in shape. I will also say she has a great personality. She is very sweet and very southern and playful and very pleasant to be with. She very much does want to meet another nice man, because she does need the help (another good sign if you have some leverage there) and I am not able to provide enough (due to time, distance, and my own budget). She has always been very kind to me, even when turning down her occasional requests for extra assistance. I highly recommend her. As always, YMMV, so be nice to her if you want her to be nice to you. Good luck.[/QUOTE]I've known her for over a year. She tells the same, "Ran from my abusive husband, abandoned everything, starting a new job next week, have an apartment lined up" sob story today that she told over a year ago. Lives in a motel but won't meet there, tells story about cousin sharing room. Wants to go to another hotel, but will do car dates. Very nice body, especially considering her age; large and rock-hard aftermarket tits with tiny nipples, tall and slender with a very good shape, but performance is mediocre to average at best and it's always rush rush rush. Always on the con, and has something of a man-hater vibe, which considering the body / enhancements makes me think former stripper. If she's your cup of tea, go for it. I'll pass.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3932705]I'm about 90 percent sure she is someone I saw 18 months ago. Same "I'm too good for you" look. If so she is cold and business like and drives a Prius. For someone new to trying Sugar Babies, I suggest you judge them by how well they reply to your messages. If she doesn't get a little flirty in a few messages between you, she probably won't be in person.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

Your description pointed me to prior reviews here referring to major drama and posting of sd private info.

WTF?

Looks like you saved my ass.

99%sure same sb.

[QUOTE=CrazySpice;3929350]You do prepay before visits occurred? Or post pay after visits occurred? How do you determine she is trust worthy if you do prepay. In my experience a pot took 5 oo for weekly arrangement and gone silent.[/QUOTE]You should actually read through this thread, including the FAQ. That's insane, you're actually begging to be ripped off. What girl in her right mind would ever show after you sent 500 for nothing? If she was even real and female, that same day after getting your money she probably spent the night with a guy who knew how to handle this for half that and she banked 750, most of which was yours. Or your 500 went to some old fat dude in Russia running a troll farm that specializes in ripping people off online. One or the other occurred.

There is great advice in this thread highlighted in the Index also posted in the Richmond thread. Most of that information is based upon experienced SDs.

We've all made rookie mistakes. Dont beat yourarlf up, but learn fron it. Education can be expensive. There are many things I did early on that I now realize was foolish.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3933246]You should actually read through this thread, including the FAQ. That's insane, you're actually begging to be ripped off. What girl in her right mind would ever show after you sent 500 for nothing? If she was even real and female, that same day after getting your money she probably spent the night with a guy who knew how to handle this for half that and she banked 750, most of which was yours. Or your 500 went to some old fat dude in Russia running a troll farm that specializes in ripping people off online. One or the other occurred.[/QUOTE]

Maybe there is a Marto1 translator or interpreter that can help us out.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3931858]What in the world are you trying to say? I don't understand your words. -. -. -. -or how you put them together.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=GolfMan57;3932831]GPS alll the way, told me she gets 500 per week just for videos and pics, I told her she was a very lucky girl.[/QUOTE]Yes I've talked to her though text over the weekend she was supposedly at Smith mountain lake. Talked a good game so I figured what the he'll ready to leave home & everything goes quiet. All I had was street address so needless to say didn't waste my time. Apparently she fell asleep for like 6 hours begged me to come up turned her down on offer. Tried again Sunday same results!! Then got fooled into buying so videos $30 through PayPal sorry as they were she should have gave me $30 to look at them!! I don't think she has any intentions of meeting up think she's playing games!! Don't waste your time like I have!!

[QUOTE=Runnerj;3932319]Wish I found this forum last year.

Been looking to move up from ho (s) to SA since backpage crashed.

Am willing to pay more to get more but running into GPS (out of my range. And doubt have anything to offer for that price).

Or dead fish at the 2 $ range.

This one has not been on site for long time like the permanent babies that are a waster of time.

And has a interesting look. Mix or cauc and oriental.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8138bf50-311f-4dde-a4e2-959eb90e6fee[/URL]

I know I am new here but not a lot of reviews in the forum, so if that is done private please PM.

Any info if can negotiate into my range or if has decent skills worth it.

I will contribute when I get going.[/QUOTE]I know her in passing through a friend that's always dated younger girls. She's older than 22 iirc but don't quote me on that. She's also a ****. Didn't know she was in the game but that explains some things. Only had limited interactions with her.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;3932708]All depends on where you are in the lifecycle. First meetings, pay upon delivery of services. Usually as she is leaving (I have a friend in Retail who slides me a box of the Estee Lauder "Gift with PUrchase" from the beauty department -- I slide the cash inside the little carrying case and most women just love the idea of a gift with hidden cash vs sweaty wad of cash making them feel like a *****.

I have a long running arrangement with a very vague running tally. She needed some car repairs and a few medical bills over the months. So I rarely gave her any cash when we met, but was usually pre-gifting as she needed and I could afford, plus she booked and paid for hotel room so that was factored in. Have no firm idea where I stand on the tally, but I have a very happy cock and its not affecting my financial state, so I guess I'm in good shape.

I've succesfully bartered some fuck fests -- items at charity auctions are the best, though some of my clients give me freebies -- weekend in DC or NYC, spa days. Restaurants Ill never eat at. For them to use the travel prizes, they have to disclose their true identities so I can book it for them. That involves a level of trust that implies the pay off. Some I've pre-gifted and then boned them all night when I met them. Never had a "pre-paid" bail on me yet. Several like the idea of getting a treat they would never spend money on themselves, but desperately want.

Then there are "expense substitution" gifts. I don't give them cash, but they bring their cable or cell bill and after the first round, I log on and pay it off for them. My last one like this was about to lose her Comcast service -- same as I use at the office -- so I could pay it from my business account and it s a write off -- and no, I checked, there is no track back to my bank info for the SB to see.[/QUOTE

Last March I lucked into an awesome SB / UTR. Met at a auto repair place. Beautiful mid 20's ebony single Mom, had several part time jobs and a modeling gig. I over heard she had to leave her car so I offered her a ride home.

On the ride home I mentioned that I'd be willing to help her with expenses, that we could do friends with benefits. She asked how that would work and I very gently let her know I wanted in her pants.

She really needed some $ for the car repair. I offered to get a room, but she didn't have time. Went to a park and had an awesome BBBJCIM while I played with her kitty. Gave her a Benjamin to help her out.

Saw her the next two days in hotel. BBBJ, DATY, DATO, FIV, FIO, Doggie, Mish, CG, RCG, so gorgeous! Both times she was heading to a photo shoot so had a ball, but couldn't mess up her hair!

Lot's of texting back and forth. My regular SB got bagged with a screen shot of one of my texts from her live in BF and Norfolk Single Mom was very sympathetic. I went about 6 weeks without my #1 SB and meeting this one was just what the Doctor ordered.

Meet again and had a great time. She agreed to Greek but had mentioned she hadn't enjoyed it in the past. I told her I wanted to wait until we could take our time & ease her in, little wine, little lube, you know the drill.

Well I had been giving her a couple of Benjamins. She wanted to get some more ink to complete the sleeve on her arm. Asked for 6., gave her 3.

You guessed it. Last time I saw her. I had her real cell number, dropped her off at her house, so knew where she lived and even had met one of her friends that I hooked up with later.

What a dummy. I thought about camping out at her house but it was only a few hundred down the drain and I have a lot to lose if she got pissed and wanted to make a stink. I had texted her from my real cellinthe beginning.

God I miss that young, sexy UTR. I had told her I could get her more "friends" but she said she was cool with me but didn't want to be a legit escort. I texted and called a few times but she probably blocked me. Totally zghosted🙄.

Dumb, dumb, dumb. I dream of that sweet ass and can't believe what a rookie mistake I made.

Gave her way too much trust, way to early!

[QUOTE=HottRod66;3933844]Yes I've talked to her though text over the weekend she was supposedly at Smith mountain lake. Talked a good game so I figured what the he'll ready to leave home & everything goes quiet. All I had was street address so needless to say didn't waste my time. Apparently she fell asleep for like 6 hours begged me to come up turned her down on offer. Tried again Sunday same results!! Then got fooled into buying so videos $30 through PayPal sorry as they were she should have gave me $30 to look at them!! I don't think she has any intentions of meeting up think she's playing games!! Don't waste your time like I have!![/QUOTE]Busy girl texting from the lake as she texted on and off for hours with me. Finally got drunk it seemed as it was jibbersish at the end.

She did give me her real address to pick her up after the last minute cancelled date. But I told her I was busy. Haven't heard from her in 2 days so I guess she is reeling into another sucker. She seemed the typical teenager on her Facebook page. She wants more tattoos and wanted me to take her to get one. Luckily I passed on the vids.

[QUOTE=DoggieFan;3934484]Asked for 6., gave her 3.

You guessed it. Last time I saw her. I had her real cell number, dropped her off at her house, so knew where she lived and even had met one of her friends that I hooked up with later.

What a dummy. I thought about camping out at her house but it was only a few hundred down the drain and I have a lot to lose if she got pissed and wanted to make a stink. I had texted her from my real cellinthe beginning.

God I miss that young, sexy UTR. I had told her I could get her more "friends" but she said she was cool with me but didn't want to be a legit escort. I texted and called a few times but she probably blocked me. Totally zghosted🙄.

Dumb, dumb, dumb. I dream of that sweet ass and can't believe what a rookie mistake I made.[/QUOTE]Out of curiosity, did you try telling her you'd drop the $300 debt? I've decided that's the best course in those situations. You're going to be out the $300 either way, but at least if you forgive the debt, you get to continue enjoying the girl. And it puts up a good barrier against her asking for any more advances. In the past I couldn't get past the feeling that letting the debt go was somehow a win for her and a loss for me, but if the girl is great then never seeing her again is a bigger loss.