"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=American314;3928083]Yessssss you will completely enjoy the experience while it is occurring but shortly after the act when all of the endorphins wane, you will experience complete remorse for what you have done. Scenario one. He will end up discovering the tryst soon and you will have lost a "life long friend" for a few moments of pleasure. NO father would ever excuse a friend for this travesty upon his little girl! You lose! Scenario two. She keeps it to herself and you will forever be completely uncomfortable around your friend and will never be able to continue as you had in your past as you are always fearful of exposure. Even if you are never outed, your life will never be the same as your guilt and fear will consume you around these folks. You should draw the line at what your inner conscience is telling you and be the better person and friend. There are plenty of opportunities for this type of leg around without jeopardizing yourself!

PIE.[/QUOTE]Stay away from the daughter, you keep your friend = You win.

Tell us who she is, she gets her shopping spree = She win.

Have any of the members been successful with any ladies who mentioned that they was looking for a mentor and wasn't interested in anything sexual? I was thinking about going along with one in order to see, if they would eventually warm up with different approach.

Always twice a week. Less than that isn't enough for me, and more is too much burden on my free nights. No firm rules about time per visit, but each visit usually ends up being about three to five hours.

You do prepay before visits occurred? Or post pay after visits occurred? How do you determine she is trust worthy if you do prepay. In my experience a pot took 5 oo for weekly arrangement and gone silent.

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;3926514]Always twice a week. Less than that isn't enough for me, and more is too much burden on my free nights. No firm rules about time per visit, but each visit usually ends up being about three to five hours.

Haha, that's hilarious. I think I'll borrow that story the next time I run across a girl with a story about her friend's SD.[/QUOTE]You do prepay before visits occurred? Or post pay after visits occurred? How do you determine she is trust worthy if you do prepay. In my experience a pot took 5 oo for weekly arrangement and gone silent.

[QUOTE=CrazySpice;3929350]You do prepay before visits occurred? Or post pay after visits occurred? How do you determine she is trust worthy if you do prepay. In my experience a pot took 5 oo for weekly arrangement and gone silent.[/QUOTE]Let me get this right: you met some girl on the internet and then you gave her 500 with the assumption that you'd meet later and she would 'make it up' to you? And then as a complete shocker she ghosted you?

Some people can't be helped...

[QUOTE=Falar;3929151]Have any of the members been successful with any ladies who mentioned that they was looking for a mentor and wasn't interested in anything sexual? I was thinking about going along with one in order to see, if they would eventually warm up with different approach.[/QUOTE]I suppose it's about how much time you have. Seems like a lot of work for something that is a long shot.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3929752]I suppose it's about how much time you have. Seems like a lot of work for something that is a long shot.[/QUOTE]I agree. A waste of time. It's getting hard enough to find ones willing to go to the FC without starting the chase laps behind.

[QUOTE=CrazySpice;3929350]You do prepay before visits occurred? Or post pay after visits occurred? How do you determine she is trust worthy if you do prepay. In my experience a pot took 5 oo for weekly arrangement and gone silent.[/QUOTE]Neither, actually. I give money each visit, though some don't like that because it feels too much like prostitution to them. But telling (and showing) her that the money isn't conditional on sex helps. And I guarantee her the monthly total unless she misses visits. That is, if I have to miss (which never happens), I'll still give her the money, but if she misses, no money. And I tell her we'll switch to monthly prepay if I fail to live up to that, since I know I won't.

I have had two who insisted on prepay and I decided were worth the risk. I prepaid one for two weeks, and the other was for a month. Neither ghosted me, but both missed about half of the agreed number of visits. I insisted on switching to money each visit after that. In both instances, they agreed, and everything was fine from then on.

That's wise arrangement. In your experience she missed half of the agreed appointsments means you lost roughly half amount. On average your per visit looks like 200-250 which is roughly 50 per hour of her time. That's a good bang for bucks.

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;3929972]Neither, actually. I give money each visit, though some don't like that because it feels too much like prostitution to them. But telling (and showing) her that the money isn't conditional on sex helps. And I guarantee her the monthly total unless she misses visits. That is, if I have to miss (which never happens), I'll still give her the money, but if she misses, no money. And I tell her we'll switch to monthly prepay if I fail to live up to that, since I know I won't.

I have had two who insisted on prepay and I decided were worth the risk. I prepaid one for two weeks, and the other was for a month. Neither ghosted me, but both missed about half of the agreed number of visits. I insisted on switching to money each visit after that. In both instances, they agreed, and everything was fine from then on.[/QUOTE]

I have been talking to this one. Does anyone have anyone have experience with her?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b75de0dd-ef91-466e-aaa2-9063cd41022e[/URL]

I understand many girls don't like the transactional feel of pay per visit, but I explain it's the only fair way to start until we are both confident we want to continue and build trust. I've had a few long term arrangements that evolved into weekly or bi-weekly allowances but only after I was confident we both had a genuine connection and I could trust them.

I further explain that I've heard of girls that have dated wirh the promise of an allowance later that never happened and guys that paid upfront only to have the girl disappear. It happens on both sides.

I also wouldn't want to be obligated to repeat if either one of us didn't feel it. Its not worth it to me. I explain my goal is an ongoing arrangement. I pay an allowance per meet in line with monthly expectations based on expected number of meets without any commitment. It's like dating with the intention of marriage, you don't make that commitment before the first date. Things have to naturally evolve.

I also won't discuss specifics of an allowance before we meet and have never discussed allowance with many girls.

I just leave an allowance in their purse or pocket when the date ends. I've had a couple girls complain about the amount after the fact, but that has been the exception. I usually filter out GPS girls much earlier in the process. The interesting part, is that the ones that complained were usually the worst dates. Higher expectations rareley correlates with better experiences.

No girl that meets MY definition of an SB has ever had a problem with this approach.



[QUOTE=UKnowWho;3929972]Neither, actually. I give money each visit, though some don't like that because it feels too much like prostitution to them. But telling (and showing) her that the money isn't conditional on sex helps. And I guarantee her the monthly total unless she misses visits. That is, if I have to miss (which never happens), I'll still give her the money, but if she misses, no money. And I tell her we'll switch to monthly prepay if I fail to live up to that, since I know I won't.

I have had two who insisted on prepay and I decided were worth the risk. I prepaid one for two weeks, and the other was for a month. Neither ghosted me, but both missed about half of the agreed number of visits. I insisted on switching to money each visit after that. In both instances, they agreed, and everything was fine from then on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GolfMan57;3930603]I have been talking to this one. Does anyone have anyone have experience with her?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b75de0dd-ef91-466e-aaa2-9063cd41022e[/URL][/QUOTE]I have. But I am relatively new to this forum and not sure of the protocol here. That is to say, I don't know how much I can say or how pm works.

The allowance conversation comes up regularly on here. I am just going to note that this year I seem to get more asking right away what kind of arrangement I have had before. Most of those soon ask how much or what was the most I "helped" per month.

The good thing is that it opens the door for me to say that I don't discuss amounts until we meet. Since I have FWB as a tag, sometimes I tell them the money doesn't start until we get intimate. Of course that weeds out a lot right then. I don't have the time and patience to wait them out anymore.

With all the GPS, platonic and "respectful" out there, it makes it more a numbers game weeding them out. Don't get me started on pic sellers!

I use your basic strategy, however I have struggled getting it across smoothly. Ill use some of your comments if you don't mind. I have followed the Richmond board for many years. Early posts were very informative, I suggest all SD's read them. This was informative, than you!

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3930789]I understand many girls don't like the transactional feel of pay per visit, but I explain it's the only fair way to start until we are both confident we want to continue and build trust. I've had a few long term arrangements that evolved into weekly or bi-weekly allowances but only after I was confident we both had a genuine connection and I could trust them.

I further explain that I've heard of girls that have dated wirh the promise of an allowance later that never happened and guys that paid upfront only to have the girl disappear. It happens on both sides.

I also wouldn't want to be obligated to repeat if either one of us didn't feel it. Its not worth it to me. I explain my goal is an ongoing arrangement. I pay an allowance per meet in line with monthly expectations based on expected number of meets without any commitment. It's like dating with the intention of marriage, you don't make that commitment before the first date. Things have to naturally evolve.

I also won't discuss specifics of an allowance before we meet and have never discussed allowance with many girls.

I just leave an allowance in their purse or pocket when the date ends. I've had a couple girls complain about the amount after the fact, but that has been the exception. I usually filter out GPS girls much earlier in the process. The interesting part, is that the ones that complained were usually the worst dates. Higher expectations rareley correlates with better experiences.

No girl that meets MY definition of an SB has ever had a problem with this approach.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ProfessorMan;3930812]I have. But I am relatively new to this forum and not sure of the protocol here. That is to say, I don't know how much I can say or how pm works.[/QUOTE]Okay, I am replying to my own post because I just checked in with Happiness and she does not want me to give out any details. That already tells you a lot. She is not a professional and discretion is very important to her. What I can add is that I have seen her several times and we always had a great time together. I would be seeing more of her, but she lives in Richmond and I live in Charlottesville and neither one of us likes to drive much. I can also say that I was pleasantly surprised when I first met her in person. Her SA pictures do not do her justice IMHO. I thought she was much nicer looking in person. She has a very nice figure and keeps herself in shape. I will also say she has a great personality. She is very sweet and very southern and playful and very pleasant to be with. She very much does want to meet another nice man, because she does need the help (another good sign if you have some leverage there) and I am not able to provide enough (due to time, distance, and my own budget). She has always been very kind to me, even when turning down her occasional requests for extra assistance. I highly recommend her. As always, YMMV, so be nice to her if you want her to be nice to you. Good luck.