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Here is one that took me. Won't give out the details because she may be lurking out there. But suffice it to say she is clever and you have been warned.
Profile says NC but she works Florida and appears to be moving around.
[url]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/?page=profile&pmid=3505948[/url]
Revvo
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1828745]Spartak,
I suppose I will agree to disagree with all you cowboys out there who ride without a saddle, but any buckaroos in the Chicago area, please pm me the profile numbers of your babies so I can steer clear.[/QUOTE]I understand your perspective, but I'm not sure what exactly that would accomplish. You think if we bareback a SB in the Chicago area, you're in more danger? Regardless what we do with her, she could very well be barebacking her boyfriend / husband / lover / co-worker. Whether we saddle up or not with a SB, really shouldn't give you any more or less comfort. If you want any real peace of mind just always wear a cover (which you do) and have her tested regularly. Claiming some of us are putting you in danger is naive and misplaced blame. The real risk is from the girl herself. You have to understand her protection habits, her lifestyle, and have her tested. Just because no one has sent you a profile number of a particular SB in Chicago does not make her any less likely to have a STD or not practice BB in her personal life.
Just so no one forgets.
[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1567144]Gentlemen,
I've thought long and hard over the last few days about whether to post this or not, and I eventually decided that maybe my story will do someone else here some good. Maybe it will serve as a wake up call.
I just found out that my 18yo HYB is positive for genital herpes (HSV-2).
I also found out that I have HSV-2 as well.
I won't get into all the details, because they are largely irrelevant. But I will say that I am a smart guy who did some very stupid things. I hope and pray that nobody else is doing the dumb things I've done, or if they are, at least they're doing them knowingly and with full understanding of ALL of the risks.
I last saw HYB almost two weeks ago. We were both feeling a bit under the weather; me with a cold, her with a sore throat. We went to the movies, but one thing led to another, the little head took over all thinking duties, and we ended up at a hotel. To make matters worse, I entered her without a condom. I did not finish, but it is what it is.
Over the next few days, we each felt progressively worse. My doctor did a throat culture, and that's how they found it in me. The pubic bumps and sores appeared shortly thereafter. They gave me an anti-viral medication, which speeds the healing, and I have a follow-up visit tomorrow to discuss long-term therapy.
HYB was oblivious. She says she does not have obvious sores, so they never tested her for it. At my insistence, we did anonymous testing through [url]www.tstd.org[/url] Yesterday at a local lab. The results returned today.
I believe HYB contracted it from her other SD, because she finally confessed yesterday that she's been barebacking him for months. By coincidence, I had a negative test on September 13, which leaves only two other potential partners, both of whom I now have little reason to suspect. Plus, I was protected with each of them (aside from oral).
HSV-2 is a virus that has no cure. I will be stuck with this my entire life. It can be suppressed, to varying degrees, and outbreaks controlled with medication. But I always risk passing it on whenever I have unprotected sex. Although the risk of transmission is relatively low when there is no outbreak, the risk remains. The risk is also very low, but again not zero, for unprotected oral.
There is a high likelihood that this one terrible decision will ruin my marriage as well. I am currently working through how and when to tell my wife. I've decided she needs to know soon, as we were considering children in the next year or two. I will be lucky if she even considers keeping me around. (Thanks to the confidential brother who has been guiding me through all this.)
I know that in the interest of brevity I've created many gaps in the story and that you may have questions. I'll be honest in saying that I don't know if I will be able (or will want) to answer them all. You can post them here or PM me. Needless to say, my days in the sugar bowl are done.
All I can say is that I hope this is an eye-opener for some of you.
Regards,
Joe[/QUOTE]
HIV and Hepatitis C.
Even nowadays HIV is manageable for a normal lifespan (see Magic Johnson) Hep B and C can become chronic and destroy your liver (death) but has successful therapies if diagnosed quickly.
ALL others are totally treatable and manageable. So you get Herpes? Cry me a river. I know bringing home an STD is hard to explain to the SO. You might prepare an explanation to give the SO if you get one (like oooh, my cubicle mate was using the same toilet I use and came down with all the STDs. Honey, should I take antibiotics to be safe?)
Herpes = sores for days to a few weeks. Inconvenient but not life threatening.
HPV (warts) = bumps that are treatable
HPV (carcinogenic) oral and pharyngeal cancers due to the virus (see Michael Douglas 'pubic service announcement) Yes, scary but get regular dental and oral checkups and don't do oral sex hahaha Seriously, dental dams might help but if you think condoms are a downer,
Gonorrhea =antibiotic shot and pill for one day
Chlamydia =antibiotic for a day
Syphilis= rare but Penicillin shot.
Trichomonas = antibiotics for a day
[QUOTE=Hernando;1829396]So you get Herpes? Cry me a river. I know bringing home an STD is hard to explain to the SO. You might prepare an explanation to give the SO if you get one (like oooh, my cubicle mate was using the same toilet I use and came down with all the STDs. Honey, should I take antibiotics to be safe?)[/QUOTE]Nandoman,
To each his own, but if I were a non-married player in this game my attitudes would probably be a lot different.
As it stands, the thought of bringing home 'the gift that keeps on giving' to my SO, especially considering she is an UNWILLING PARTICIPANT in my activites is a moral-line I just cannot cross.
I honestly do not think there is any excuse I can come up with as to why Mr Happy is covered in infectious sores that she'd buy. And even if she did believe whatever I told her, no excuse would make good the fact that she may have been exposed as well (assuming of course one does actually get sex at home. Miracles are known to happen!).
[QUOTE=Hernando; 1829396]HIV and Hepatitis C.
Even nowadays HIV is manageable for a normal lifespan (see Magic Johnson) Hep B and C can become chronic and destroy your liver (death) but has successful therapies if diagnosed quickly.
ALL others are totally treatable and manageable. So you get Herpes? Cry me a river. I know bringing home an STD is hard to explain to the SO. You might prepare an explanation to give the SO if you get one (like oooh, my cubicle mate was using the same toilet I use and came down with all the STDs. Honey, should I take antibiotics to be safe?)
Herpes = sores for days to a few weeks. Inconvenient but not life threatening.
HPV (warts) = bumps that are treatable
HPV (carcinogenic) oral and pharyngeal cancers due to the virus (see Michael Douglas 'pubic service announcement) Yes, scary but get regular dental and oral checkups and don't do oral sex hahaha Seriously, dental dams might help but if you think condoms are a downer,
Gonorrhea =antibiotic shot and pill for one day
Chlamydia =antibiotic for a day.
Syphilis= rare but Penicillin shot.
Trichomonas = antibiotics for a day[/QUOTE]Brothers,
I think you all are missing the point, but maybe I'm the one who's not getting it. It is not only the STD one has to worry about, it is the possibility of passing it along to your wife / SO, and what I imagine will be the conversation that starts the End Of The World!
Whether one can live a reasonable life with AIDS or not, or how easy the treatment for these other scary diseases is, how do you tell your wife / children / inlaws / friends / colleagues how you got it? And no one believes it comes from toilet seats, Nando!
In the end, this may just be one of those topics, like politics or religion, where it is best to let things drop. I will continue to play it safe, and I hope never to read a post like Joe's on this thread ever again. Ask him if he would have done things differently and I bet the answer will be a resounding "yes"!
Peace,
Scott
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1829409]Brothers,
I think you all are missing the point, but maybe I'm the one who's not getting it. It is not only the STD one has to worry about, it is the possibility of passing it along to your wife / SO, and what I imagine will be the conversation that starts the End Of The World!
Whether one can live a reasonable life with AIDS or not, or how easy the treatment for these other scary diseases is, how do you tell your wife / children / inlaws / friends / colleagues how you got it? And no one believes it comes from toilet seats, Nando!
In the end, this may just be one of those topics, like politics or religion, where it is best to let things drop. I will continue to play it safe, and I hope never to read a post like Joe's on this thread ever again. Ask him if he would have done things differently and I bet the answer will be a resounding "yes"!
Peace,
Scott[/QUOTE]Guys. If you're worried about the risks. Then don't play the game.
Yes condoms reduce the risk of many things, but they aren't 100% effective against HSV-1/2, HPV, and molluscum (not just for kids) etc. If you love DATY or BBBJ, then other STD's come into play as well.
If you're worried about a SO or a spouse, then there is no 100% way to keep them safe. Period. You can do risk management, and using condoms is a significant part of that plan. However, don't think just because you're using condoms your not taking risks.
Also- Plan B is essentially a 'Hail Mary'. Plan B's efficacy is 87. Compare that to withdrawal used effectively at 96% and condoms at 98% and you'll see what I mean. Over the years, I've only had to girl friends (before I was married) have to use Plan B. The first was an incredibly hot Korean MILF in LA who wouldn't agree to a condom. She didn't tell me until after I came that she wasn't on BC. The lesson I learned that night was that you always have the "talk" before going bare.
The talk involves two very important subjects. One. Are you on BC. Two. If you become pregnant will you have an abortion. The answers help me do risk management even though I use condoms.
Does anyone have an assistant "manage" their sugar babies? (onsite / email / SMS). You can find people from the Philippines to work part time for $1 an hour; we use them at our company for admin work including customer service, and many people use them as personal assistants too.
[QUOTE=Wnde8;1829632]Does anyone have an assistant "manage" their sugar babies? (onsite / email / SMS). You can find people from the Philippines to work part time for $1 an hour; we use them at our company for admin work including customer service, and many people use them as personal assistants too.[/QUOTE]How about a Phillipina manage my sexual needs? $ 1 / hr sounds pretty daggone good!
[QUOTE=Hernando;1829687]How about a Phillipina manage my sexual needs? $ 1 / hr sounds pretty daggone good![/QUOTE]My live in Pinay does OK by me. LMFAO. But seriously. I have managed a few SB's accounts. Great insight. If those guys knew they were messaging me I don't think they would have been too happy. Hope it was none of you. Not likely as I live in L. A.
UPDATE
This month I stuck to my 3 SB's like glue.
MILF. All we do is fuck. So not much to talk about. Been together almost 2 years.
Live In. Pinay Mistress. I,m her personal slave. But we have a lot of fun. 9 months so far but she was talking about moving possibly : (
Teen Stripper. Almost 5 months so far. Today a wannabe pot SD spent $$$$$ on her and got the pleasure of her platonic company. Better him than me.
To comment on the STD discussion. I will admit to being reckless in the past, but it's been a relief knowing I don"t have to be tested right now. I only have safe sex with my live in and the other two are exclusive to me for now.
[QUOTE=BikeRider; 1829484]Guys. If you're worried about the risks. Then don't play the game.
Yes condoms reduce the risk of many things, but they aren't 100% effective against HSV-1/2, HPV, and molluscum (not just for kids) etc. If you love DATY or BBBJ, then other STD's come into play as well.
If you're worried about a SO or a spouse, then there is no 100% way to keep them safe. Period. You can do risk management, and using condoms is a significant part of that plan. However, don't think just because you're using condoms your not taking risks.[/QUOTE]Exactly. If you're extremely worried about your SO catching something, you shouldn't play the game. You can catch certain STDs by receiving and giving oral and as well as with deep french kissing. Just about everyone here engages in heavy kissing with their SB, so you're technically putting yourself at risk to certain types of STDs, which can be passed to your SO. Simply saddling up for intercourse doesn't absolve you from these risks and morally you're still in the same boat as the rest of us because the risk is there even if it's reduced.
This is a tough discussion and somewhat divisive, but I think it's actually a good discussion to have. We get to see each other's perspective and maybe even re-evaluate our own decisions.
For me, I don't think this lifestyle is for everyone. If you're happily married and you're still planning to have kids, you should probably enter the Sugar Bowl draft at a later time. What happened to Joe was very unfortunate and I feel for him. What made his situation especially difficult was that he and his SO were still planning to have kids. So contracting an STD in that situation is very very serious since there's many implications.
Likewise if you have a happy marriage and you don't want to put it at risk whatsoever, you have to understand every single day in the Sugar Bowl you're rolling the dice on your marriage regardless if you catch a STD or not. For example, Alias left a condom lying around, I left a hotel card in my pants, and F Scott left his Sugar phone in plain sight of his SO. All of this in just the last couple of weeks. These things had no nothing to do with practicing safe sex and yet things still came very close for things to come crashing down for us. The fact is, the longer you play this game, the greater the risk, the greater likelihood your marriage will end or change forever. I'd argue it's not a matter of "If", it's "When".
In my situation at least, I already have kids and there are zero plans for future kids. So if worst case she gets a STD, she'll just take the same antibiotics as me but it won't affect her having kids. Also, our marriage is not in great shape so if we divorce, it's not the end of the world for me. Yes, I'd like to avoid one right now due to financial implications and the kids, but I'm probably subconscious trying to get a divorce because I'm keenly aware that a healthy marriage is completely incompatible and unsustainable with the Sugar Lifestyle over the long-term. Especially with how aggressive many guys here play the sugar game with 4-7 SBs and Booty Calls at a given time, you're kidding yourself if you think you'll be happily married 10 years from now. If some of us still manage to post on this board 10 years from now, I guarantee only 10-20% of us will still be married and of that remaining percent, those marriages will have been drastically altered (getting caught, reconciling, no more trust, and etc).
I've always assumed that if you're in this lifestyle, a part of you willing to let your marriage end or go to shit. If you just maintain one SB and you keep your time and money with her fairly modest, then [i]maybe[/i] you can still maintain a happy marriage. But anyone who plays this game aggressively or develops emotional involvement should not fool themselves. Your marriage can and will end as you know it at any moment regardless if you put a condom on or not. This whole lifestyle is an act of risky insane and reckless behavior. Calculating our risks simply delays with various degrees of success the inevitable conclusion.
[QUOTE=John G Smith;1829755]This is a tough discussion and somewhat divisive, but I think it's actually a good discussion to have. We get to see each other's perspective and maybe even re-evaluate our own decisions.[/QUOTE]I am scared straight for today. When you"re an addict, it's one day at a time. Today I have a date with my live in. Then I will just work till bedtime. This really is not a joke and I know I am in denial most of the time.
One of my X's got HSV 1 about a year ago. She has a BF, a SD and a sugar couple. They all know she has this and continue to see her. I know she is addicted to kissing and giving oral. I will not see her for any reason. But all this talk is making me uneasy.
Just got txted by a HYM. I know there will be at least kissing and maybe more on the m&g tomorrow.
I'll take 98% effective over zero any day! As has been pointed out, it's not just what [I]you[/I] do, but what, and who, your baby's been doing in her spare time that comes into play.
Of course there's no such thing as 100% certainty in life, but I like my odds better than BB by a mile! Plus, I truly wonder if those "faithful" babies really are. I can think of four brothers right off the bat who discovered their SBs were "monogamous" with several other guys as well, and one was going bare with all of them!
To each his own, however. I'll continue to play with a helmet on. Like ChiGuy, I find the slight loss of sensation helps me to last like a porn star. Well, that and a little help from my blue friend!
Peace,
Scott
I did get to meetup with my old "ATF". We partied at my house because I was unable to get the hotel on short notice. We spent the next day and night together. Surreal. It was like it was yesterday even though the last time I saw her was almost three years ago. I suspect sugar was not required (although much appreciated LOL) , but I did give her a $300 gift.
We did participate in BB activities as we have in the past. I don't want to get into a debate about what is "safe" and what isn't (I believe there is a forum specifically for that?). You just have to make a personal decision if the reward is worth the risk to you. In my case, the risk is minimal and the payoff immense. It's different for everybody and a lot is a perception. I see many guys find cheating on their SO acceptable. OK, to me that is crazy. When I was married, I would never ever think about cheating on my wife; the consequences are too great, the chances of getting caught high. She would have cleaned me out good and made the rest of my life miserable. Fortunately, I'm divorced now and escaped with my balls intact.
I've already had quite a bit of turn-over from my update in early July. A couple of the SBs I thought showed promise ended up being busts. I also made a push to capture my unicorn this month (a pure Asian SB). I contacted quite a few Asian SBs and I ended up getting some good prospects from it. I also cleverly lured back one of my long-time SBs. But let's first review the pots / SBs from last month.
[b]Busts[/b]
Asian MILF. She didn't look quite as good in person. We did a M&G and I could tell we just didn't have the right vibe. After the M&G apparently she deleted my number because when I contacted her a couple of days later she didn't even know who I was even though we had texted frequently a few days prior. She simply told me she was no longer interested and never gave me a reason. I would have liked to have gotten a reason, but I was fine with things not proceeding because we just didn't click well and she was asking for the high end of my budget.
Brown & Busty. A 20 year-old, mixed, very busty. As mentioned in the last update, her pics were old so while she was still very busty, she also put on some extra weight. I had to make a tough decision to have her in my "B Slot" or cut her loose. I decided to cut her loose. Nice girl, but a little too heavy and lived a little too far away.
[b]Idle[/b]
Latina Artist. 22 year old petite Latina artist. She's completely new to the Sugar Bowl, so she gets cold feet whenever there is a cool breeze on a hot summer's day. She still keeps telling me she wants to meet but something always keeps coming up where she cancels or changes the schedule. I have other things going on so I can afford to be patient with her, but I honestly don't know if I'll actually see her ever.
Punk SB. 18 year old, Latina / Asian mix. I meet up with her again for a quick car fix. It was decent and it barely cost me anything. She's been pressing to meet more often, but I don't know. I'm just not really into her anymore. Her performance is very limited. We basically just do a couple of positions and she doesn't do any oral. So perhaps I'm bored with her. Not sure yet what I'm going to do with her.
[b]Pots[/b]
Tokyo SB. 24 year-old Japanese girl who's only been in this country a few years. She seems pretty new to the Sugar Bowl yet we're meeting in the FC directly tomorrow. And what's more, I'm not giving her anything! At least not on the day of. I said I would help her get some school supplies after we met. And we're suppose to hang out at the FC for several hours. It seems like she's genuinely attracted to me, so I'm really hoping this works out. Not only will this be my first full-blooded Asian SB but I've never been with a Japanese woman period. It's amazing how she can turn on a dime from being innocent to being very direct and freaky in our texts. I wish me luck brothers that this doesn't turn out to be a bust.
Korean SB. 21 year-old Korean American girl. She's a more long-term project. She's also attracted to me, but she lives farther away and has a lot of things going on in her life, so we probably won't be able to meet for a while. But I'm keeping in touch with her because she's very petite and cute.
[b]Returners[/b]
Backseat SB. 20 year-old petite Latina. I've been seeing this girl off and on for over a year. She's probably the person I've been in contact the longest in my sugar career. But a few months ago, she decided to end things. I even sent a few feelers every now and then, but she stated repeatedly she was done for good. Normally I respect their wishes when they don't want play anymore, but I just keep fantasizing about her perfect tits and couldn't help myself. So recently I gave her a graduation present with no strings attached. I admit I was being a bit naughty and greedy by trying to lure her in back to the Sugar Bowl. I gave her the graduation present in person but I didn't make any offers. The present itself was nice and also contained some cash. Just enough to show a nice gesture but also to entice that if she wanted more, she knew how to get it. Literally two days after I gave her the graduation present, she asked to meet that night. We met and did our thing and her tits were just as amazing as I remembered. She then contacted me again just yesterday. So I've successfully pulled her back in. A part of me feels a little guilty, but I didn't push her to start things back up. I just provided a little bit of temptation.
I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. I googled it and sure enough SA. Com says the SB on that site received that amount. I'm curious since many of you are using SA. Do you spend that much per month?
Any of you dating African-American 26 yo 5'10 138lbs single, grad-student / model from the DC area? I know her real name.
Just curious
[QUOTE=Secret2; 1830852]I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. I googled it and sure enough SA. Com says the SB on that site received that amount. I'm curious since many of you are using SA. Do you spend that much per month?
Any of you dating African-American 26 yo 5'10 138lbs single, grad-student / model from the DC area? I know her real name.
Just curious[/QUOTE]She'd have to be WAY above average for me to pay that much per month! .
[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1830823][b]Pots[/b]
Tokyo SB. 24 year-old Japanese girl who's only been in this country a few years. She seems pretty new to the Sugar Bowl yet we're meeting in the FC directly tomorrow. And what's more, I'm not giving her anything! At least not on the day of. I said I would help her get some school supplies after we met. And we're suppose to hang out at the FC for several hours. It seems like she's genuinely attracted to me, so I'm really hoping this works out. Not only will this be my first full-blooded Asian SB but I've never been with a Japanese woman period. It's amazing how she can turn on a dime from being innocent to being very direct and freaky in our texts. I wish me luck brothers that this doesn't turn out to be a bust.[/QUOTE]Japanese women are very familiar with the sugar bowl. The term in Japanese is enjo kosai. Or compensated dating.
I won't be surprised if she becomes your ATF. The Japanese women I've been fortunate enough to date in my life have been, for the most part, the best lovers I've had. Good hunting!
I happen to love Asian women as well. Does anyone have any insight into finding them other than the few who pop up on SA?
Are they open to dating Caucasian men or tend to prefer their own ethnicity?
[QUOTE=Secret2;1830852]I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. SA says the SB on that site received that amount[/QUOTE]This is marketing BS disseminated to attract girls to their site.
[QUOTE=Hernando; 1831006]I happen to love Asian women as well. Does anyone have any insight into finding them other than the few who pop up on SA?
Are they open to dating Caucasian men or tend to prefer their own ethnicity?[/QUOTE]Asian dating sites? Most cultures tend to stick to members of the opposite sex from their culture. The ones that don't almost never date within their own culture. So if an asian / AA / hispanic girl is flirting with you, you probably aren't the first. i would say sugar dating is almost the norm and totally acceptable in most cultures except the USA.
[QUOTE=Secret2; 1830852]I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. I googled it and sure enough SA. Com says the SB on that site received that amount. I'm curious since many of you are using SA. Do you spend that much per month?
Just curious[/QUOTE]Amateurs or Not? I think some of the girls probably do bring in that much per month-just not all from one SD. I have been thinking of this a lot lately. I have encountered several girls that are surely UTR and using SA as a more low key place to troll for clients than BP. I have seen one that freely admits having several SD's. I've had her over for a couple of booty calls and she is content to sit and drink a glass of wine and chat for as long as I want before moving on to the bedroom, so in that respect not pro behavior, but from things she says I gather this is her main means of support. I would not classify this as a real SB relationship, but somewhere in between. My current fav on the other hand, has a full time job and I'm as sure as I can be without stalking her that she is exclusive to me. We really have more of a dating relationship, and went away for the weekend last week. I have had her and her daughter over to my house. Certainly not a pro, but also completely expects me to provide for her to some extent. On HG's scale a few days ago the first girl would be a 6 and the second an 8. I think what we are mostly looking for is the first timer, who has never accepted "gifts" before for her favors. I don't think they are quite as rare as unicorns, but definitely an elusive creature. I would say that the girl who responded to the CL ad above has for sure been to this rodeo before!
[QUOTE=Dsprdo;1831347]Amateurs or Not? I think some of the girls probably do bring in that much per month-just not all from one SD. I have been thinking of this a lot lately. I have encountered several girls that are surely UTR and using SA as a more low key place to troll for clients than BP. I have seen one that freely admits having several SD's. I've had her over for a couple of booty calls and she is content to sit and drink a glass of wine and chat for as long as I want before moving on to the bedroom, so in that respect not pro behavior, but from things she says I gather this is her main means of support. I would not classify this as a real SB relationship, but somewhere in between. My current fav on the other hand, has a full time job and I'm as sure as I can be without stalking her that she is exclusive to me. We really have more of a dating relationship, and went away for the weekend last week. I have had her and her daughter over to my house. Certainly not a pro, but also completely expects me to provide for her to some extent. On HG's scale a few days ago the first girl would be a 6 and the second an 8. I think what we are mostly looking for is the first timer, who has never accepted "gifts" before for her favors. I don't think they are quite as rare as unicorns, but definitely an elusive creature. I would say that the girl who responded to the CL ad above has for sure been to this rodeo before![/QUOTE]Thanks for the props. I also have met a few girls that are not shy at all about the $. But they certainly do enjoy a night of conversation, dinner or hanging out. Sugar comes in all flavors.
[QUOTE=Secret2; 1830852]I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. I googled it and sure enough SA. Com says the SB on that site received that amount. I'm curious since many of you are using SA. Do you spend that much per month?
Any of you dating African-American 26 yo 5'10 138lbs single, grad-student / model from the DC area? I know her real name.
Just curious[/QUOTE]A couple of months ago I did a false experiment to find out more about the approaches some guys were using and the like. I kind of wanted to see if most guys had game or were dipstciks. So one of my Sb's was departing as school was ending for her. She let me use her pic. She is a solid 9+. Very good looking blonde / blue eyes / slim / kind of busty / good looking face. I used her pic and I wrote the profile. Just to see what would come back.
So How does this relate to the average? There were three straight up offers before any meeting that were in excess of $100K per year. LOL yeah, I'm not shitting you. Many others were in the 2-3K per month range. So I could see the average being 3k maybe. But the majority of gals are going to be getting 800-1200 I'd bet.
By the way, reading these messages that came in. I was also so excited to see how stupid most of the competition was for me. I understand now why a lot of woman think men are dumb. No creativity, no imagination, no effort, no game. The typical email back was 2-3 lines and would say something like "let me take you out to dinner then w'ell go back to my hotel room and have fun. I'll give you 2K a month and we do this 1x-2x per week. Text me Bill"
[QUOTE=Hernando; 1831006]I happen to love Asian women as well. Does anyone have any insight into finding them other than the few who pop up on SA?
Are they open to dating Caucasian men or tend to prefer their own ethnicity?[/QUOTE]Being Asian myself I can tell you that it depends on if she is "Americanized" or not. If she was born here or moved here at a young age and grew up here then white men definitely have the best shot, even better than an Asian guy LOL. Of course it all depends on the girl too. Luckily for me I don't like Asian women. :-D
[QUOTE=Pats Fan1; 1831943]A couple of months ago I did a false experiment to find out more about the approaches some guys were using and the like. I kind of wanted to see if most guys had game or were dipstciks. So one of my Sb's was departing as school was ending for her. She let me use her pic. She is a solid 9+. Very good looking blonde / blue eyes / slim / kind of busty / good looking face. I used her pic and I wrote the profile. Just to see what would come back.
So How does this relate to the average? There were three straight up offers before any meeting that were in excess of $100K per year. LOL yeah, I'm not shitting you. Many others were in the 2-3K per month range. So I could see the average being 3k maybe. But the majority of gals are going to be getting 800-1200 I'd bet.
By the way, reading these messages that came in. I was also so excited to see how stupid most of the competition was for me. I understand now why a lot of woman think men are dumb. No creativity, no imagination, no effort, no game. The typical email back was 2-3 lines and would say something like "let me take you out to dinner then w'ell go back to my hotel room and have fun. I'll give you 2K a month and we do this 1x-2x per week. Text me Bill"[/QUOTE]I created a fake baby profile when I was first starting out in the Bowl, just to see how things went and maybe pick up a few pointers on how to word my profile, initial message, follow-up, etc. Like you, I was pleased to see how lame most of the texts were, and how a majority of the guys on the site were apparently millionaire Abecrombie models who made 250K a year LOL!
As we all know, one can say [I]anything[/I] on the internet, but the proof is in the follow-thru. I have heard stories about guys promising thousands per month, but scamming a "test drive" for a couple Bennies, the "per meet average" of 2K x 8 meets / month, and then vanishing. Soon enough these girls learn the reality of things, and I often have been contacted a week or two after an initial m&g by a baby who was lured away by false promises, only to realize that I was the real deal all along. Fortunately, all it takes is one time being scammed for them to develop a sensitive BS meter.
The key to success, I believe, is to be your honest self, (secret identity nothwithstanding) , polish your text, contact and follow-up, stick to what you can afford, and let the right babies find you. They always do, trust me.
Scott
PS - my average sugar per month is 1.2 K, spread out over several very fine, Quality Babies, and I have as much action as I can handle. But I have been at this for a few years, and I feel like my game is pretty good. BTW, that figure is sugar only, and does not include incidentals like hotel, drinks or meals. I figure since I am enjoying those expenses as well as my babies, I can't really charge them against the Sugar Account.
Scott.
Did I hear that right? You spend a total of 1. 2k a month for all your babies? Not each?
Well Sir, your game is unbeatable.
[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1832207]Scott.
Did I hear that right? You spend a total of 1. 2k a month for all your babies? Not each?
Well Sir, your game is unbeatable.[/QUOTE]Smoke,
Thanks for the compliment!
That's right, average monthly total for all babies. Some months more, some less, but that is the average. I don't see each baby every week, though, but I strive to treat them all with kindness and respect, and never like it's a business transaction.
I listen to things they tell me, text them in the interim, tell them they are beautiful and special, and try to give them as many orgasms as they can handle! I take them to nice restaurants, buy them flowers, clothes or groceries; take them to museums and concerts, sailing or make them picnics. In short, I treat them in a way that none of the douche-bag guys their own age do, or even come close to doing.
I put the sugar in a funny card with a short note of appreciation, or in a book I bought them that we might have been talking about, but never on the bedside table lol! In the best relationships I have had, after a while the sugar becomes an afterthought in a way. While I always give it, it is often a few days or a week after an FC visit, or sometimes in advance of one. I believe it all comes down to how you treat your babies. Treat them well, in more ways than sugar, and it will come back to you a hundred-fold.
For more excellent ideas, scroll back and take a look at Tigg's MO. He and I share a very similar outlook, one proven to work.
Scott
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1831008]This is marketing BS disseminated to attract girls to their site.[/QUOTE]That's exactly what I told her. It's a marketing tactic. I also told her that she was responding to a CL ad. She claimed that she had already found her sugar daddy. I guess she was testing me to see if I would give her more than the 2k a month someone else offered her. I know she has been searching at least since April because she has responded to my ad a couple of times.
[QUOTE=Secret2;1832256]That's exactly what I told her. It's a marketing tactic. I also told her that she was responding to a CL ad. She claimed that she had already found her sugar daddy. I guess she was testing me to see if I would give her more than the 2k a month someone else offered her. I know she has been searching at least since April because she has responded to my ad a couple of times.[/QUOTE]Secret,
As has been said many times in the clubhouse, babies can tell you whatever they want, but it doesn't make it true. However, the same goes for the guys on these sites. I promise you, there are more flakes and fakes than legits, on both sides of the fence, but the odds are in our favor.
In my area, Chicago, there are something like 400 registered (not necessarily active) SDs, but almost 6000 (again, not necessarily active) SBs. I think that's an awfully good ratio, and one that makes me think all that is required is patience and persistence to land pretty much any baby I want.
Your CL find may have just been testing the waters with you, and not have another dude on the line at all. Think about it: if her target is 2K per month, and she's got someone willing to pay that (so she thinks) , why would she be wasting her time on you? In my experience, CL posters are either fakes, pros, or scammers, with the RARE amateur who quickly gets swallowed up or scared off.
If you are serious about entering the Bowl, I would recommend signing up for one of the legitimate sites, like SA or SD4Me. Read back through the thread to see the pros and cons of each, and then try them both to see which is better in your area. Everything you need to know is contained in these pages.
Good luck, and don't forget to write!
Scott
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1832272]Secret,
As has been said many times in the clubhouse, babies can tell you whatever they want, but it doesn't make it true. However, the same goes for the guys on these sites. I promise you, there are more flakes and fakes than legits, on both sides of the fence, but the odds are in our favor.
In my area, Chicago, there are something like 400 registered (not necessarily active) SDs, but almost 6000 (again, not necessarily active) SBs. I think that's an awfully good ratio, and one that makes me think all that is required is patience and persistence to land pretty much any baby I want.
Your CL find may have just been testing the waters with you, and not have another dude on the line at all. Think about it: if her target is 2K per month, and she's got someone willing to pay that (so she thinks) , why would she be wasting her time on you? In my experience, CL posters are either fakes, pros, or scammers, with the RARE amateur who quickly gets swallowed up or scared off.
If you are serious about entering the Bowl, I would recommend signing up for one of the legitimate sites, like SA or SD4Me. Read back through the thread to see the pros and cons of each, and then try them both to see which is better in your area. Everything you need to know is contained in these pages.
Good luck, and don't forget to write!
Scott[/QUOTE]If you chat with someone who has GPS, say something like "if you find someone who will provide you with (whatever amount) per month, then you take it" and be willing to move on without her. More times than not she'll circle back to you.
Does anyone here prefer fishing on Craigslist for non-pros over the Arrangement sites?
Forgetting the obviously outlandish offers even an 18 year old won't believe. But keeping in mind they might consider a legit offer of $$$ - $$$$$ from a real SD. Lately I have been telling the new girls "I realize you are reading all the big money offers. Just remember. You get what they pay for."
I remember an escort I used to see that wasn't worth the $ a date I was paying her. But she routinely got $$$ a date from guys that made her cringe or worse. I do believe this thread is about developing game. I hope I am contributing to that in some way as mine has definitely gone up in the short time I have been here.
[QUOTE=F Scott;1832115]PS - my average sugar per month is 1.2 K, spread out over several very fine, Quality Babies, and I have as much action as I can handle. But I have been at this for a few years, and I feel like my game is pretty good. BTW, that figure is sugar only, and does not include incidentals like hotel, drinks or meals. I figure since I am enjoying those expenses as well as my babies, I can't really charge them against the Sugar Account.[/QUOTE]I always figure the sugar plus their half of everything into my monthly report spreadsheet. This year its at 2500 a month. I won't tell you my maximum years. As it was more than my current annual income. But now, as my game is as strong as it can get, and as my fortunes rise I do not foresee a corresponding rise in my sugar expenses. I definitely papered things over in the beginning to compensate for my insecurities.
So when you hear about guys offering large sums, sometimes it is true. Knowing that, I have to have a defense for the new girls to sway their decision making. The relationships I have now are far more balanced in terms of the $ / e / p needs of the girls I see. And I only target the ones that are looking for that type of balanced relationship as opposed to the ones that can just be bought off (and many can be). But all you are buying is their body. Their minds are somewhere else. Or like my live-in likes to say, to tolerate their company she has to just "think happy thoughts"
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1832400]I always figure the sugar plus their half of everything into my monthly report spreadsheet. This year its at 2500 a month. I won't tell you my maximum years. As it was more than my current annual income. But now, as my game is as strong as it can get, and as my fortunes rise I do not foresee a corresponding rise in my sugar expenses. I definitely papered things over in the beginning to compensate for my insecurities.
So when you hear about guys offering large sums, sometimes it is true. Knowing that, I have to have a defense for the new girls to sway their decision making. The relationships I have now are far more balanced in terms of the $/e / p needs of the girls I see. And I only target the ones that are looking for that type of balanced relationship as opposed to the ones that can just be bought off (and many can be). But all you are buying is their body. Their minds are somewhere else. Or like my live-in likes to say, to tolerate their company she has to just "think happy thoughts"[/QUOTE]Hollywood,
You are right in that there are a few guys out there who apparently cough up the big bucks, but I think in reality they are few and far between. Mandy had found a couple apparently (where is she, by the way?) , but from my intel in the streets, most of the 3K+ a month guys are totally full of shit. Just take a minute or two to peruse the SB blogs vs the SD blogs. The babies by far tell the truth, while the daddies all puff themselves up, with a Kia becoming a Jaguar, and a job as a security guard becoming a partner in a security management firm!
Just a little help, though. What do you mean by "$ /e / p"? Like you, I look for babies who are looking for the whole package, as opposed to a fuck for cash. I have passed on what looks like some awesome pussy, but I'm proud of myself, I think!
Slow day at work, obviously,
Scott
PS - Plus, I think if I used your formula for calculating average monthly Sugar expenses, I might be around 1600 or so. Again, this number rises when I am on the road, but falls when I am spending time with long-term babies. As an example, I spent a few hours recently with Naughty Brit for a bottle of champagne, some organic orange juice, and a ridiculously small amount of sugar, especially when compared with the number of orgasms we each had, and the time elapsed. My abs were sore the next morning, lol!
[QUOTE=Wnde8;1832314]Does anyone here prefer fishing on Craigslist for non-pros over the Arrangement sites?[/QUOTE]I recently spent a few days fishing on CL because I had heard there were still nuggets to be found there and came away with absolutely nothing but spam.
[QUOTE=Wnde8;1832314]Does anyone here prefer fishing on Craigslist for non-pros over the Arrangement sites?[/QUOTE]I have a friend here in Chicago who has astounding luck on CL, but I haven't managed to attract anything other than Eastern European (fake) hotties asking for my cc# so they can buy a plane ticket to come to the US and fuck me forever, other fakers from who-knows-where trying to trick me into verification sites where I pay to "prove I'm real", and the occasional guy who just wants to blow me but is pretending to be a girl. It may be my approach, or my text, or who knows what, but I don't waste my time with it anymore. I just let my buddy pass me along to his finds who he's done with.
In my experience, and granted it's limited, the true amateurs get scooped up within moments of posting by experts like my friend. For me, CL takes way more time, effort and game to land a non-pro fish than the Sugar sites, and while it may be cheaper, you have to almost make it your full-time job, just to save a Benjamin. And believe me, the CL girls are not any less flaky or less prone to bolt on you. Hot, non-pro pussy is skittish the world around.
Just my experience,
Scott
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1832272]Secret,
As has been said many times in the clubhouse, babies can tell you whatever they want, but it doesn't make it true. However, the same goes for the guys on these sites. I promise you, there are more flakes and fakes than legits, on both sides of the fence, but the odds are in our favor.
In my area, Chicago, there are something like 400 registered (not necessarily active) SDs, but almost 6000 (again, not necessarily active) SBs. I think that's an awfully good ratio, and one that makes me think all that is required is patience and persistence to land pretty much any baby I want.
Your CL find may have just been testing the waters with you, and not have another dude on the line at all. Think about it: if her target is 2K per month, and she's got someone willing to pay that (so she thinks) , why would she be wasting her time on you? In my experience, CL posters are either fakes, pros, or scammers, with the RARE amateur who quickly gets swallowed up or scared off.
If you are serious about entering the Bowl, I would recommend signing up for one of the legitimate sites, like SA or SD4Me. Read back through the thread to see the pros and cons of each, and then try them both to see which is better in your area. Everything you need to know is contained in these pages.
Good luck, and don't forget to write!
Scott[/QUOTE]Scott I'm doing pretty well on craigslist with the SB. I'm just always looking for something new. There is no pussy like new pussy. I just notice that every once in a while I'll get response quoting $2-5K a month. Tax free! WTF!
I enjoy reading this forum because there is so info here. You guys hit every angle of this SB / SD game. The Good and the Bad and the Ugly. RICMOND? Who would have thunk it?
[QUOTE=Secret2; 1832533]Scott I'm doing pretty well on craigslist with the SB. I'm just always looking for something new. There is no pussy like new pussy. I just notice that every once in a while I'll get response quoting $2-5K a month. Tax free! WTF!
I enjoy reading this forum because there is so info here. You guys hit every angle of this SB / SD game. The Good and the Bad and the Ugly. RICMOND? Who would have thunk it?[/QUOTE]Secret, my brother,
We are a national clubhouse, but we just happen to be based in Richmond thanks to our Pater Familias, Literal2, who started this thread. In truth, Sugar Wisdom has no boundaries. Lurkers, if you have anything to contribute, post up! We welcome all contributions, as long as they are civil and contributory. Aggression has no place here, in my opinion.
Scott
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1832234]I strive to treat them all with kindness and respect, and never like it's
I listen to things they tell me, text them in the interim, tell them they are beautiful and special, and try to give them as many orgasms as they can handle! I take them to nice restaurants, buy them flowers, clothes or groceries; take them to museums and concerts, sailing or make them picnics. In short, I treat them in a way that none of the douche-bag guys their own age do, or even come close to doing.[/QUOTE]Scottie's game is the way we all need to be playing this. I know I've strived to approach the game the way he teaches us and I have had success beyond my wildest dreams with using very very modest funds.
So far 100% of the babies who have made it into the fc with me have commented on the fact that they choose me mostly because I was so sweet towards them and treated them so nice and normal. A lot of the time they passed up more money to be with me mainly because how I treat them and ESPECIALLY how I make them comfortable with me. I go for very well established women with professional jobs or babies in grad school who have their shit together exclusively.
In short treat them like the beautiful, smart, funny, cool chicks that they are. Make an effort to talk to them and get to know them. The little extra effort separates you from 90% of the guys in the crowd & it pays off in many many ways.
I *try* to play the game but let's be honest. Scottie takes this to such a higher league, we just have to sit back and watch in awe!