"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;3886865]It's not going to workout that way 99% of the time. I have hardline rules of my own I follow and I do not divert from them, ever. Your scenario is what creates what I term, "serial meet and greeters" They go on dates and get slipped a few hundred here and there and realize it's easier them actually ever going to the FC and they just do that. NEVER and I repeat NEVER, pay a girl for a drink or dinner date. UNLESS, that is truly your thing and that is what you want. IE, you're too old or a medical condition keeps you from performing and you just want a woman's company. But suggesting you're showing good faith for the future? No offense my brother, but these girls will laugh at you as they walk out of the dinner date with your cash.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with this. There are now professional meet and greeters on there, which didn't even exist when I started on SA years ago. This creates the exact wrong incentive. I will on occasion do very small things, like a gift card ($40 or less) or $20 for gas for the true newbies where I really like them, that to me is a show of good faith but more important it's thoughtful, and if it's the kind of girl I'm looking for (sweet, responsible, eager to please) it will mean as much if not more to her than some money. If you're looking for a carrot this is much more of one than basically giving her part or all of what she would be getting for the actual FC because it shows that you're sincere and gets her thinking that there's more where that came from.

The only good news is that once this has happened to girls a few times and they make the decision to become a professional M&Ger, they'll ask upfront so you can pretty easily weed them out (which is an absolute NEXT in my book). But it's really unfortunate that people meet them early on and create that expectation in the first place, girls that might otherwise become good SBs go this route. That, along with guys who buy pics and videos, or send money electronically, have really degraded the site from what it was even 2 or 3 years ago.

One last thing which I say with 100% confidence, by the time near the end of the meal when the guy slides an envelope of unrequested cash over, the girl had long since decided if she intends to FC or even see him again. And that envelope will absolutely NEVER change a "No" to a "Yes. " If it's a No, then she walks out with his cash thinking at least I didn't waste my time, and hey I should probably start asking to be paid to let guys buy me dinner all the time. If it was Yes, then you'll eventually get her to the FC, but it won't be that night since she already got her reward. Bottom line don't let them catch the rabbit before the finish line.

My Brothers,

I can't seem to find the SA app in the Apple App Store. Does it no longer exist for IOS? I can find it in Google Play, but don't have a device that is compatible. I know just enough about computers to screw things up, so if any of you can help, you will need to explain it as if you were talking to a fourth grader!

Thanks in advance, and keep up the good work!

Scott.

[QUOTE=FScott;3893396]My Brothers,

I can't seem to find the SA app in the Apple App Store. Does it no longer exist for IOS? I can find it in Google Play, but don't have a device that is compatible. I know just enough about computers to screw things up, so if any of you can help, you will need to explain it as if you were talking to a fourth grader!

Thanks in advance, and keep up the good work!

Scott.[/QUOTE]Apple removed the SA app (and at least one other similar one) from the app store around the time FOSTA / SESTA was enacted. Guess their lawyers felt there may have been some liability there.

You can still access it on an Apple mobile device through the web (Safari or other web browser).

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;3893721]Apple removed the SA app (and at least one other similar one) from the app store around the time FOSTA / SESTA was enacted. Guess their lawyers felt there may have been some liability there.

You can still access it on an Apple mobile device through the web (Safari or other web browser).[/QUOTE]Does a new account on the app get the introductory offer of a week at small $? Still? I can't take a month, I get too immersed, but I am traveling to Boston, would love some company over my 3 nights away from the SO.

[QUOTE=Tidad;3890544]It's funny how we (myself included) generally see high school girls as too young but these same girls are fair game as soon mom and dad drop them off at college 3 months later. By September, SA will be overflowing with 18 yo SBs looking for daddy; freshman girl is my favorite dessert for fall.[/QUOTE]We typically don't see them on SA when in legal-but-still-in-high-school-status for two reasons. Mainly, high school means they're still under their parent's roof, so dating activity is still scrutinized. Also, while still subject to the cliques of high school and the associated rumor mill, in many cases it would be their worst nightmare for the people they went to prom with, and whom they plan to see at their 20 year reunion, to know they are banging a guy in his 50's, at least in their hometown.

Once they leave the nest for college, their entire perspective on this changes -- they are set free in a new town where they don't know as many people, and their mindset has also shifted from dependency on parents to exploring the other side of life -- those two factors form a beautiful situation. After all, isn't the whole reason mom and dad are paying tuition to help her build independence? I'm always happy to help with that. LOL.

The clique and rumor-fear issue sometimes follows them to college. I've had some that proudly introduced me to their high school friends as their date, yet others who will tell me they want to avoid going out to hot spots on on certain nights because it's college night and her friends will see her and know what's up. It's all good to me.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3894189]
The clique and rumor-fear issue sometimes follows them to college. I've had some that proudly introduced me to their high school friends as their date, yet others who will tell me they want to avoid going out to hot spots on on certain nights because it's college night and her friends will see her and know what's up.[/QUOTE]I often wonder if many girls announce "platonic only" or "not looking for sex" as a way to save face if someone they know discovers them on the site. I have to think that 99% of the women on SA know the deal that is SA, and what is generally expected in a sugar arrangement.

For example, if one of their friends sees them on SA, and the profile says "platonic only", it looks like they're such an attractive catch that men will pay just to have dinner with them and it offers plausible deniability on the question of prostitution. It can also help program their rationalization hamster for "I wasn't actually LOOKING for sex, so I'm not a prostitute, it just HAAAPPPENED!

[URL]https://www.eros.com/virginia/files/8120388.htm?cat=1[/URL]

This one used to be in Richmond, banged her bareback 3 or 4 times, last time I met her she took advantage of my trust in her and got $$$ for rent said she was running behind and never got anything from it.

Now she is on Eros turned into a pro.

Really hot girl loves to watch porn during.

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;3895068]I often wonder if many girls announce "platonic only" or "not looking for sex" as a way to save face if someone they know discovers them on the site. I have to think that 99% of the women on SA know the deal that is SA, and what is generally expected in a sugar arrangement.

For example, if one of their friends sees them on SA, and the profile says "platonic only", it looks like they're such an attractive catch that men will pay just to have dinner with them and it offers plausible deniability on the question of prostitution. It can also help program their rationalization hamster for "I wasn't actually LOOKING for sex, so I'm not a prostitute, it just HAAAPPPENED![/QUOTE]I've absolutely converted some of the "platonic only" profiles into the FC, but what I heard from each of them is that it was in the profile only as a way to weed out creeps. Though I didn't hear it from any of those gals, no question your theory could be another reason someone puts up a profile of that type despite being open to an intimate situation.

Have to say though, unfortunately there has been a major change in the last year or two in that there are large numbers of girls who believe that platonic is feasible and so platonic only has become meaning truly platonic, in like 80% of these profiles. SA has really pushed the platonic thing in its marketing to draw more girls (more girls of any type gets more guys who pay) but even more of the shift is that there are clearly guys out there paying for platonic meets, at least the newbies before they figure out they're being taken for a ride. Now while I still think an actual ONGOING platonic situation is a virtual unicorn, what definitely does exist in larger numbers than before is the professional M&Ger. Guys have started foolishly paying for the pleasure of buying dinner for these girls, not only when requested but even nonrequested, and so many of these girls have come to realize you can make good money just doing that. As a result you even have profiles that don't say "platonic only" who really are also just trying to get free dinners and donations for nothing. Met one this weekend clearly up to that.

So I wouldn't necessarily completely dismiss a profile that says platonic only, but unlike the past unless I'm really drawn to it for some reason I won't bother because it's seldom anymore do they not actually mean it.

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;3895068]I often wonder if many girls announce "platonic only" or "not looking for sex" as a way to save face if someone they know discovers them on the site. I have to think that 99% of the women on SA know the deal that is SA, and what is generally expected in a sugar arrangement.

For example, if one of their friends sees them on SA, and the profile says "platonic only", it looks like they're such an attractive catch that men will pay just to have dinner with them and it offers plausible deniability on the question of prostitution. It can also help program their rationalization hamster for "I wasn't actually LOOKING for sex, so I'm not a prostitute, it just HAAAPPPENED![/QUOTE]Yes, that's it exactly. It gives them an out if someone spots them. It also gives them extra ammo if a guy they don't like presses them for sex and they don't want to (they can say "well I put in my profile that's not what I'm looking for").

Women learn at a very young age to employ any tactic available to preempt any suspicion or rumor of promiscuity, even if not all of them choose to use those tactics.

However, I learned at a very early age that ALL women, regardless of how hot, or what age, what level of sexual experience or what status in life are fuck-able if you can find the right buttons to push when pouring on the charm.

So is she worth the 500?.

[QUOTE=S2568;3895474][URL]https://www.eros.com/virginia/files/8120388.htm?cat=1[/URL]

This one used to be in Richmond, banged her bareback 3 or 4 times, last time I met her she took advantage of my trust in her and got $$$ for rent said she was running behind and never got anything from it.

Now she is on Eros turned into a pro.

Really hot girl loves to watch porn during.[/QUOTE]

In my experience some will use the platonic-only as a cover for when they get found out but for many (the majority?) they actually mean it. For those that mean it I think it stems from a lack of life experience where they truly believe that they are special and that a mature guy with his life together would pay her to sit there and eat a fancy dinner. Also, it costs them nothing to join the site so what do they have to loose by going fishing in a pond with no fish? Most men will totally ignore them and they'll get a handful of messages but in the end they'll leave the site after a few weeks empty-handed.

As a guy it costs you nothing to message "platonic-only" but the odds of a payoff are very low.

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;3895068]I often wonder if many girls announce "platonic only" or "not looking for sex" as a way to save face if someone they know discovers them on the site. I have to think that 99% of the women on SA know the deal that is SA, and what is generally expected in a sugar arrangement.

For example, if one of their friends sees them on SA, and the profile says "platonic only", it looks like they're such an attractive catch that men will pay just to have dinner with them and it offers plausible deniability on the question of prostitution. It can also help program their rationalization hamster for "I wasn't actually LOOKING for sex, so I'm not a prostitute, it just HAAAPPPENED![/QUOTE]

I have never seen this girl nor experienced her in person but I can positively tell you that no, she is not worth 500/ hr. There are maybe 10 girls in the country who are worth that but a girl that scams guys is absolutely not one of them. You're welcome.

[QUOTE=BStreet;3895750]So is she worth the 500?.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3896391]In my experience some will use the platonic-only as a cover for when they get found out but for many (the majority?) they actually mean it. For those that mean it I think it stems from a lack of life experience where they truly believe that they are special and that a mature guy with his life together would pay her to sit there and eat a fancy dinner. Also, it costs them nothing to join the site so what do they have to loose by going fishing in a pond with no fish? Most men will totally ignore them and they'll get a handful of messages but in the end they'll leave the site after a few weeks empty-handed.

As a guy it costs you nothing to message "platonic-only" but the odds of a payoff are very low.[/QUOTE]Am I wrong? I thought that SA used to delete profiles of women who wanted online only. Now it is a lifestyle choice from the drop down menu. When did that happen. I am increasingly seeing profiles that say online only. That is also going to mislead people.

Bam.

[QUOTE=BamBam;3896634]Am I wrong? I thought that SA used to delete profiles of women who wanted online only. Now it is a lifestyle choice from the drop down menu. When did that happen. I am increasingly seeing profiles that say online only. That is also going to mislead people.

Bam.[/QUOTE]I'm sure part of that is SA trying to pivot a bit to protect themselves. I suppose it's also kind of like the way people change the meaning of words over time. If the dictionary says a word means "X", but everyone uses it as if it means "why", what does it actually mean? If lots of people say "arrangements" can be platonic-only, then it's a mostly valid way to use the term. (Doesn't mean I like or agree with the usage, of course.).

Hey all,

Is anyone else noticing an increase of 'older' women (by older I mean 30's and above) on SA treating this as a traditional dating site? My usual demographic is college age girls, but while waiting for the fall season to begin I've recently contacted (or been contacted by) several hot milfs and the last three I've met in as many weeks after a coffee and a little witty banter they have all led straight to the FC with Zero financial expectations. They have jobs and don't want / need the money, they either see it as Tinder (FWB) or Match (relationship) with an established guy.

Has it always been this way or did I just luck into a string of horny established milfs on SA? I'm still after the younger girls BTW haha.

Yaya.