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[QUOTE=SDPewPew;6398089]Hey man I appreciate the intel and thank you for TOFTT. That attitude sounds like a boner killer to me. I'll pass on her.

We usually only get MILFs / cougars down here in San Diego, so I usually try to go for HYA whenever I'm up in OC / LA.

I've narrowed down the list between:

Hera at SAG who has a 8+ on T3 R for both looks / service and is advertised as early 20's.

Sally at ca-kdolls / SAG who apparently looks like SuppyColleen (big W if true), general consensus seems no older than late 20's.

Tomi at ca-k, just because, pics look hot, but ca-kdolls tend to use uber P.S.'d pics, especially for the ladies down in SD (always great service, but usually cougars).

I'll report back later[/QUOTE]Had to look up who's suppycolleen is. Saw Sally, and she does have some resemble of suppy, based on a few Google images. Fairly young and cute. Love it when her eyes crosses during mish LOL.

[QUOTE=NoClue02;6400201]Had to look up who's suppycolleen is. Saw Sally, and she does have some resemble of suppy, based on a few Google images. Fairly young and cute. Love it when her eyes crosses during mish LOL.[/QUOTE]Her face looks more like the chick from GirlsDoPorn episode 374 and 406. Different body though, Sally has bigger tits and a toner body.

[QUOTE=NoClue02;6400201]Had to look up who's suppycolleen is. Saw Sally, and she does have some resemble of suppy, based on a few Google images. Fairly young and cute. Love it when her eyes crosses during mish LOL.[/QUOTE]Saw her with sweetklove.

HYA, DT BBBJ was amazing, she's very vocal & enjoys sex!

[QUOTE=AsianHunter;6401392]Saw her with sweetklove.

HYA, DT BBBJ was amazing, she's very vocal & enjoys sex![/QUOTE]Sally was great indeed. It's too bad the rates have gone up so much recently. There are a number of providers like Sally who I would love to see again but the rates prevent me from doing so.

She is still listed as 320 all in BB, MSOG. I haven't contacted the booker in few days though. So she either took it upon herself to upcharge or some bookers are requesting it. To bad, because apparently she is a young lady with nice body. Would have see her early on but I couldn't get away for an early appt and didn't want to see her after a long day of DT CIM / swallow and CIP. LOL. No thanks on the upcharge, if that is the case.

What the fuck ever happened to regular donations and them getting tips based on performance and how they hot they are? The fact that she is a bare cumdumpster all day long IMHO, should be reason enough for a standard donation. Plenty of reasons, but just being 10 times the risk of catching something should be enough! Lmao!

[QUOTE=SomeoneOC;6401869]Sally was great indeed. It's too bad the rates have gone up so much recently. There are a number of providers like Sally who I would love to see again but the rates prevent me from doing so.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SomeoneOC;6401869]Sally was great indeed. It's too bad the rates have gone up so much recently. There are a number of providers like Sally who I would love to see again but the rates prevent me from doing so.[/QUOTE]What was the upcharge and total rate?

[QUOTE=JungleFun;6402159]What was the upcharge and total rate?[/QUOTE]260 HH, 320 H, BBFS included.

I guess my comment was general about increasing rates across the board. 270 hh has become very common now. Not too long ago used to be 200 hh.

PSA new website for Mykupcake is called get9irl. Has much more detail than MKC but you can use the same old number if you want.

She has a special going on. Did anyone tried it? Intel will be appreciated.

In town for a few days and definitely prefer they come to me.

Just saw White with CA-Kdolls. Holy Shit! I've been with many women and have never had an experience like that. The BJ alone sent me into another dimension. She also speaks English well and has a great attitude.

[QUOTE=DateTime2;6405754]Just saw White with CA-Kdolls. Holy Shit! I've been with many women and have never had an experience like that. The BJ alone sent me into another dimension. She also speaks English well and has a great attitude.[/QUOTE]Caution, she won't see most magnum guys, only offers BBBJ, was disappointed because she was hot!

[QUOTE=AsianHunter;6406169]Caution, she won't see most magnum guys, only offers BBBJ, was disappointed because she was hot![/QUOTE]I can't believe out of all the reviews there is very little mention about her inability to even entertain the idea of a magnum insertion. For this very reason I have never repeated with her.

I use trojan magnums. Mens fitness apparently did some research and found that you need 8. 07 in length /2. 13 shaft /2. 36 head to get a proper fit. I meet and / or exceed these dimensions because magnums fit me great, and sometimes with a raging hard on are a little short. She swallows me in xlnt 69 sessions and I've made her pussy quiver as well. She also takes me balls deep. She has never complained a bit. She did say she has alot of Asian clients and most have small cocks. She is in the top 5 for me in service as far as BBBJCIM, p2 p, cg, doggy and mish. She has done some wild shit for me in CG.

She seems to have a stock of them when I go, but I usually bring them because the general use one's that many kgirls have only cover 1/2 to 3/4's of my my cock. I know with Mio, she lubed my cock and put on a general use condom, basically fucked her bare because it slide off and remained only on the head. I guess I came just in time otherwise it would of come off.

With that said, I don't know how big of a cock she is refusing, never heard anything like that before. I may have to go fuck her tomorrow, its been a little while.

[QUOTE=Randy62;6407119]I can't believe out of all the reviews there is very little mention about her inability to even entertain the idea of a magnum insertion. For this very reason I have never repeated with her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pand25;6399984]Another useless review about Kona on their website:

" (Simply amazing time with Kona , wished that time wouldve paused there for a moment to be able to spend more time with her. Excellent experience with a gorgeous lady)"

I have read this fluff before and the opposite was true.

Does anyone have info to share on Kona? LA has a little info on good DFK, and said she has a nice little pussy. This is such a good forum for reviews, a lot of these ladies come and go to quickly, so how hard is it to give age / body / face / ht / wt / service info?

A recent skank with cakd supposedly had top tier reviews on TER. Total bullshit. Myself and many other mongers do not use hx and ter. I have found the threads and pm capability on this forum and rubmaps to be sufficient.[/QUOTE]I saw her recently, she's very short, and is indeed tight down there. She was probably mid to late 30's? About 5 ft tall, her boobs were a little weird / flat, hard for me to even explain it, but she was really into it. I might repeat, but I've got a short list to go down first.

Been seeing White quite a few times over the years. She confirmed no big boners it anymore. She can't take anymore, said it causes her internal issues that prevent her from working. So its only, dfk, rimming, 69-BBBJCIM, p2 p and cum on her belly I guess, if you so desire. I just bailed and said so long!. Good thing she told me before we to far in to it.

So its "farewell" to Ms White, a good many men will miss her!

[QUOTE=AsianHunter;6406169]Caution, she won't see most magnum guys, only offers BBBJ, was disappointed because she was hot![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pand25;6408283]Been seeing White quite a few times over the years. She confirmed no big boners it anymore. She can't take anymore, said it causes her internal issues that prevent her from working. So its only, dfk, rimming, 69-BBBJCIM, p2 p and cum on her belly I guess, if you so desire. I just bailed and said so long!. Good thing she told me before we to far in to it.

So its "farewell" to Ms White, a good many men will miss her![/QUOTE]I saw her about a year ago, started with a shower, lots of DFK, then DT BBBJ & some P2 P.

Went to the bedroom & she said no sex, only DFK, BBBJ, etc. - so I left & booker hooked me up with another girl close by.

Anyone have experience with her? She was up in LA before as well.

[URL]https://www.sweetasiangem.com/maya[/URL]

My 2nd round of rsu just vested so I'm going to treat myself up in LA / OC this weekend. Did a ton of reading over the past couple days and finalized a list of who I'll be seeing:

LA roster: first will be my ATF and SD AMP legend in san gabriel, Nabi for my first MFM experience and Ina (Ng was my first choice, but booker said Ng was on a break).

OC roster: Hotpink for my japanese fix and Hera for her service queen reviews.

I'm looking for a 3rd OC chick but this time looking for a low or no reviewed provider. I can TOFTT and give the board feedback as a thank you for providing good info during my research. any suggestions?

I'm thinking of garam because I got an instant stiffy when I saw the pic of her holding the polaroid camera. Her face is a def 9. 99/10 to me if those pics are accurate.

[QUOTE=SDPewPew;6408724]My 2nd round of rsu just vested so I'm going to treat myself up in LA / OC this weekend. Did a ton of reading over the past couple days and finalized a list of who I'll be seeing:

LA roster: first will be my ATF and SD AMP legend in san gabriel, Nabi for my first MFM experience and Ina (Ng was my first choice, but booker said Ng was on a break).

OC roster: Hotpink for my japanese fix and Hera for her service queen reviews.

I'm looking for a 3rd OC chick but this time looking for a low or no reviewed provider. I can TOFTT and give the board feedback as a thank you for providing good info during my research. any suggestions?

I'm thinking of garam because I got an instant stiffy when I saw the pic of her holding the polaroid camera. Her face is a def 9. 99/10 to me if those pics are accurate.[/QUOTE]Probably should wait for Hanako to come back in 2 weeks for your japanese fix. I think Hotpink is kinda old, but I haven't seen her yet. Hanako is verified hot japanese/korean.

Best in OC right now are Ms. Ka with Firstasians on HX, White with Ca-KD, and BBFS with Rebecca or Sally at CA-KD. Amber and Maya are new service queens apparently too.

Cheers.

Will be in town in two weeks. I hope Amber and Maya are still around.

Read some reviews and they seem aggressive and service queens. Exactly what I'm looking for.

Will see one of them or both. Separately or in a duo. Those pigtails Maya wears makes me dream about grabbing them.

Probably my last trip to LA for a bit.

Will report back.

[QUOTE=SDPewPew;6408724]My 2nd round of rsu just vested so I'm going to treat myself up in LA / OC this weekend. Did a ton of reading over the past couple days and finalized a list of who I'll be seeing:

LA roster: first will be my ATF and SD AMP legend in san gabriel, Nabi for my first MFM experience and Ina (Ng was my first choice, but booker said Ng was on a break).

OC roster: Hotpink for my japanese fix and Hera for her service queen reviews.

I'm looking for a 3rd OC chick but this time looking for a low or no reviewed provider. I can TOFTT and give the board feedback as a thank you for providing good info during my research. any suggestions?

I'm thinking of garam because I got an instant stiffy when I saw the pic of her holding the polaroid camera. Her face is a def 9. 99/10 to me if those pics are accurate.[/QUOTE]My current tier list:

S / ATF: Cari, EJ.

A: LA Nicole (might be back one day), Sera (might be back one day), Bon / Emma (LA).

B: Hera, White, Elle (LA).

C: Jane / Gem (P2 G), Ka, Bella, Hanako, Jane (CAKD), Sally.

I like girls with obviously fake tits, either hot (EJ) or beautiful (Cari) that's fit / skinny and relatively young (not MILF and not too young) kinda like "wifey" age. There are some other girls not on this list that sometimes reappears in OC but I won't bother naming.

Anyone in B tier, I'd recommend and have repeated.

Anyone in C tier, I may recommend, but depends on your taste -- I haven't repeated anyone in C tier. Some are overrated IMO, but you may like them a lot like others, just not for me for different reasons.

Note, everyone is different and has their own preferences. Some like natural girls. Some like HYA. Some like MILF. Some like B or smaller tits. Some like bigger girls. Some like big ass.

There are some girls I've yet to try in LA like Ina, Lyn, Asia, Hana. I don't think you can go wrong with them since they're either legends or very well reviewed.

Thanks for the recs, is EJ independent and how hard is it to get screened to see her? I noticed she uses p411 and now has a tryst post but asks to go through p411 which I do not use.

[QUOTE=Fuzion;6410557]My current tier list:

S / ATF: Cari, EJ.

A: LA Nicole (might be back one day), Sera (might be back one day), Bon / Emma (LA).

B: Hera, White, Elle (LA).

C: Jane / Gem (P2 G), Ka, Bella, Hanako, Jane (CAKD), Sally.

I like girls with obviously fake tits, either hot (EJ) or beautiful (Cari) that's fit / skinny and relatively young (not MILF and not too young) kinda like "wifey" age. There are some other girls not on this list that sometimes reappears in OC but I won't bother naming.

Anyone in B tier, I'd recommend and have repeated.

Anyone in C tier, I may recommend, but depends on your taste -- I haven't repeated anyone in C tier. Some are overrated IMO, but you may like them a lot like others, just not for me for different reasons.

Note, everyone is different and has their own preferences. Some like natural girls. Some like HYA. Some like MILF. Some like B or smaller tits. Some like bigger girls. Some like big ass.

There are some girls I've yet to try in LA like Ina, Lyn, Asia, Hana. I don't think you can go wrong with them since they're either legends or very well reviewed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SDPewPew;6408724]My 2nd round of rsu just vested so I'm going to treat myself up in LA / OC this weekend. Did a ton of reading over the past couple days and finalized a list of who I'll be seeing:

LA roster: first will be my ATF and SD AMP legend in san gabriel, Nabi for my first MFM experience and Ina (Ng was my first choice, but booker said Ng was on a break).

OC roster: Hotpink for my japanese fix and Hera for her service queen reviews.

I'm looking for a 3rd OC chick but this time looking for a low or no reviewed provider. I can TOFTT and give the board feedback as a thank you for providing good info during my research. any suggestions?

I'm thinking of garam because I got an instant stiffy when I saw the pic of her holding the polaroid camera. Her face is a def 9. 99/10 to me if those pics are accurate.[/QUOTE]A good alternative to NG would be Harper.

[QUOTE=Fuzion;6410557]My current tier list:

S / ATF: Cari, EJ.

A: LA Nicole (might be back one day), Sera (might be back one day), Bon / Emma (LA).

B: Hera, White, Elle (LA).

C: Jane / Gem (P2 G), Ka, Bella, Hanako, Jane (CAKD), Sally.

I like girls with obviously fake tits, either hot (EJ) or beautiful (Cari) that's fit / skinny and relatively young (not MILF and not too young) kinda like "wifey" age. There are some other girls not on this list that sometimes reappears in OC but I won't bother naming.

Anyone in B tier, I'd recommend and have repeated.

Anyone in C tier, I may recommend, but depends on your taste -- I haven't repeated anyone in C tier. Some are overrated IMO, but you may like them a lot like others, just not for me for different reasons.

Note, everyone is different and has their own preferences. Some like natural girls. Some like HYA. Some like MILF. Some like B or smaller tits. Some like bigger girls. Some like big ass.

There are some girls I've yet to try in LA like Ina, Lyn, Asia, Hana. I don't think you can go wrong with them since they're either legends or very well reviewed.[/QUOTE]Really well written review, thank you so much! Also for making it clear what you value when you it comes to these ratings, very helpful!

[QUOTE=MalvinHarris;6410637]Thanks for the recs, is EJ independent and how hard is it to get screened to see her? I noticed she uses p411 and now has a tryst post but asks to go through p411 which I do not use.[/QUOTE]EJ and Cari are not independent. They use a (Korean?) booker. You can find Booker info on HX. Cari143, SongOfSongs, and one more that I forgot. They'll occasionally have a 3rd girl. I don't use P411 nor HX, mostly the other review site and this site. Screening is similar to other Korean agencies (in my experience that was awhile ago).

[QUOTE=DateTime2;6405754]Just saw White with CA-Kdolls. Holy Shit! I've been with many women and have never had an experience like that. The BJ alone sent me into another dimension. She also speaks English well and has a great attitude.[/QUOTE]After reading this I took a chance and booked with AFM for 1 hr for $$$ with White late afternoon. She's part of the Enclave crew. Received location upon arrival door opened and was not dissatisfied. She's had on a Brazilian bikini and was welcoming. Remember to remove your shoes at the door. LOL. Some lfk and hugging, I guess it her way making sure I was legit before heading to the bedroom. She stripped before I can say yawawe. Shower / dfk with some light BBBJ. She asked me to face down and started kissing my back / all the way to my crack without hesitation. Had to turned myself over, it was too much for me. BBBJ was excellent and I asked her to go slow. Started with doggy, flipped her over for some pse squeezing her arms / tits together in mish. Was shocked when she said ok to teabags. Finished with BBBJCIM and kept it in for awhile. I was drained and she came back for more. I couldn't go again with 20 minutes left. We showered and chatted about life. She's definitively GFE with a smile the whole time and kept saying she hungry. LOL. Pics are of her 10 years ago. Usually after any sessions, l would think wow what a waste of money but not with White. Definitely repeat.

[QUOTE=BastardChorum;6410748]A good alternative to NG would be Harper.[/QUOTE]We were on the same page haha. Harper was my 2nd choice, but was told her day off was Saturday. Let me tell ya it worked out great. Ina could very well be my ATF soon.

[QUOTE=ZzzBoy14;6409044]Probably should wait for Hanako to come back in 2 weeks for your japanese fix. I think Hotpink is kinda old, but I haven't seen her yet. Hanako is verified hot japanese/korean.

Best in OC right now are Ms. Ka with Firstasians on HX, White with Ca-KD, and BBFS with Rebecca or Sally at CA-KD. Amber and Maya are new service queens apparently too.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Thanks for looking out! LA trip was a bit exhausting LOL I'm probably only going to see Hera during my return trip to SD. I owe the OC board a TOFTT review in two weeks. I promise!

[QUOTE=Fuzion;6410798]EJ and Cari are not independent. They use a (Korean?) booker. You can find Booker info on HX. Cari143, SongOfSongs, and one more that I forgot. They'll occasionally have a 3rd girl. I don't use P411 nor HX, mostly the other review site and this site. Screening is similar to other Korean agencies (in my experience that was awhile ago).[/QUOTE]I've had both but been years since I've seen either. If anyone has seen either, what's the going rate these days? I know Cari can be pricey but worth it. EJ is just as hot IMHO.

[QUOTE=Panchito33;6411116]I've had both but been years since I've seen either. If anyone has seen either, what's the going rate these days? I know Cari can be pricey but worth it. EJ is just as hot IMHO.[/QUOTE]When I last saw Cari in the fall she was 400 1 hr cfs.

EJ is now 340 1 hr cfs since she moved to her new location.

[QUOTE=Fuzion;6410557]My current tier list:

S / ATF: Cari, EJ.

A: LA Nicole (might be back one day), Sera (might be back one day), Bon / Emma (LA).

B: Hera, White, Elle (LA).

C: Jane / Gem (P2 G), Ka, Bella, Hanako, Jane (CAKD), Sally.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the amazing write up. The wifey age range is on point. At that age range they usually have the best ratio of looks and service performance.

[QUOTE=Panchito33;6411116]I've had both but been years since I've seen either. If anyone has seen either, what's the going rate these days? I know Cari can be pricey but worth it. EJ is just as hot IMHO.[/QUOTE]Rates are worse everywhere else. At least with EJ and Cari you are pretty much guaranteed 2 pops if you're down. EJ was at 300 for MSOG up until a couple of weeks ago. Cari is 400 but you get 2 pops with a beautiful legend. Elsewhere you're dropping 360 on no one as hot as EJ or Cari. Both are still good value IMO. I wouldn't be surprised to seem them up rates, although I hope not. Only "con" is they're strictly CFS (try for BBFS and you may get blacklisted) but I consider that a positive TBH. I didn't want to let the cat out of the bag since everyone else seemed content with doing 320 for hour + 40 for MSOG and roll the dice on looks, attitude, and service with all the newbs or tourists stopping by for a few weeks and bouncing.

[QUOTE=Fuzion;6411676]Rates are worse everywhere else. At least with EJ and Cari you are pretty much guaranteed 2 pops if you're down. EJ was at 300 for MSOG up until a couple of weeks ago. Cari is 400 but you get 2 pops with a beautiful legend. Elsewhere you're dropping 360 on no one as hot as EJ or Cari. Both are still good value IMO. I wouldn't be surprised to seem them up rates, although I hope not. Only "con" is they're strictly CFS (try for BBFS and you may get blacklisted) but I consider that a positive TBH. I didn't want to let the cat out of the bag since everyone else seemed content with doing 320 for hour + 40 for MSOG and roll the dice on looks, attitude, and service with all the newbs or tourists stopping by for a few weeks and bouncing.[/QUOTE]EJ is alright for me. I enjoy more spunky/bubbly girls like Hanako and White with high energy. Seems like you enjoy the classy feminine type. Glad she is 340 an hour now. I can cross the repeat off my list since 320 is my limit!

I know YMMV on some ladies and someone isn't for everyone prefacing this. So much hype on Sally. Is it the price? Good looks but definitely green. Great BBBJ but kind of one note and I got tagged with her sharp ass tooth on the side. For those who tried her you must have felt it? Threw me off the whole BBBJ just anticipating getting tagged once again. I read reports of stubbly but wow that was understatement. Great feeling and she has the finishing death grip from hell but can we all petition the booker that the bed in that room needs to be donated to the zoo? So so soft and hard to get a good leverage! Every thrust was like melting into the bed. Sally was good and cute in the pinch but for the room itself will not repeat. I came out feeling like a dirt ball and maybe a better experience with a towel on the ground?

Sally became happier after the whole deed was done. Made me again feel like a dirt ball. LOL!

[QUOTE=MalvinHarris;6387255]Anyone see Tera with CAKD recently in her come back last week? I've read some good reviews on her from last year but just wondering how her service and looks are now as we know that sometimes ladies decline when they make a short comeback stint for some quick cash. Any intel would be appreciated, thanks.[/QUOTE]I saw Tera recently. She put on some weight since last year, but her service is beyond reproach. She gave a mighty effort at deepthroating several times during the session, pushing herself past her limits. If you are into service queens, she's for you.

[QUOTE=PePe44;6412379]I know YMMV on some ladies and someone isn't for everyone prefacing this. So much hype on Sally. Is it the price? Good looks but definitely green. Great BBBJ but kind of one note and I got tagged with her sharp ass tooth on the side. For those who tried her you must have felt it? Threw me off the whole BBBJ just anticipating getting tagged once again. I read reports of stubbly but wow that was understatement. Great feeling and she has the finishing death grip from hell but can we all petition the booker that the bed in that room needs to be donated to the zoo? So so soft and hard to get a good leverage! Every thrust was like melting into the bed. Sally was good and cute in the pinch but for the room itself will not repeat. I came out feeling like a dirt ball and maybe a better experience with a towel on the ground?

Sally became happier after the whole deed was done. Made me again feel like a dirt ball. LOL![/QUOTE]No problems with BBBJ when I saw her.

Buy I agree, the bed is way too soft, won't repeat until they replace it! Ruined the experience for me.

I decided to try her out and maybe the chemistry wasn't right but it was one of the worst sessions I've had. She was so big I couldn't maintain an erection, definitely biggest girl I've been with in my life both civ and hobbying. Rimming was weak but the BBBJ was decent. I took that as my sign to just stick to my reliable regulars.

[QUOTE=Madamenhu;6412795]I saw Tera recently. She put on some weight since last year, but her service is beyond reproach. She gave a mighty effort at deepthroating several times during the session, pushing herself past her limits. If you are into service queens, she's for you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pand25;6408283]Been seeing White quite a few times over the years. She confirmed no big boners it anymore. She can't take anymore, said it causes her internal issues that prevent her from working. So its only, dfk, rimming, 69-BBBJCIM, p2 p and cum on her belly I guess, if you so desire. I just bailed and said so long!. Good thing she told me before we to far in to it.

So its "farewell" to Ms White, a good many men will miss her![/QUOTE]Is this a common issue with Kgirls? I'm no porn star but am above average and the kgirls rates are a stretch for me. Really dying to experience one but don't want to be restricted in this way.

[QUOTE=Nestal;6413284]Is this a common issue with Kgirls? I'm no porn star but am above average and the kgirls rates are a stretch for me. Really dying to experience one but don't want to be restricted in this way.[/QUOTE]Some of the legends hate it. White, Bella, etc. Would reject you sometimes from entering, from going at a 2nd shot, or force you to just do BBBJ or HJ only. Also dislike FIV since some folks have long nails or too rough.

From a longevity standpoint, it makes sense. You'll need to actively read which are okay and which aren't. Spinners or OC legends you may might have a bad time with.

I have not found it common at all, in my experience. I've never been denied entry. Of course, there are kgirls with exceptionally good service and those that are below par service. That is why honest and descriptive reviews are so helpful.

White was a Ferrari, she is now limiting her service to guys with small dicks, so be it. She has been in the game a long time and maybe now she needs to work in a MP and just do HJ's and BJ's, or just retire all together. Bookers need to clear you as having a small dick before you book her LOL.

She is a cool chick, I hope the best for her. She unloaded my guns many times.

[QUOTE=Nestal;6413284]Is this a common issue with Kgirls? I'm no porn star but am above average and the kgirls rates are a stretch for me. Really dying to experience one but don't want to be restricted in this way.[/QUOTE]