[QUOTE=SMS 54]the girls want $25/song or $35/song nude[/QUOTE]
Everybody wants what they can't have. Tell them you want $10/song like at Fantasies. Then you can split the difference = $20 per song, no tip unless she swallows!
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[QUOTE=SMS 54]the girls want $25/song or $35/song nude[/QUOTE]
Everybody wants what they can't have. Tell them you want $10/song like at Fantasies. Then you can split the difference = $20 per song, no tip unless she swallows!
I was going to report the state of the union with PP, but some folks have already reported.
I found the walls over by the topless area down and didn't know quite what to make of it. I guess it is just a semi-private seating area but I really didn't see anyone over there.
I concur with someone who reporting about the girl saying that guys are not going to spend the extra $10 to get into the Godiva Room if not sure about the booths. I was never a booth fan there anyway, and was not spending.
As far the quality of girls - big 'yikes'. Several girls came over and asked about dances, but I didn't opt, no way. I spent a total of 30 minutes there and left. Disapppointing.
Off to check out the AMP for a relaxing massage ...(see report).
I visited Cheaters a few days ago, weekday afternoon/early evening. It was my first time since the Governor signed the new anti-prostitution bill. The girls are now going ONLY with regulars into the fuckbooths, and all are VERY paranoid. I was all set to take one of my ATFs into a booth. But while we were having a drink at the bar, she spotted what she thought was undercover LE-wearing a biker outfit-bandana, leather jacket, etc-came in with a tough looking chick-but the girls thought they looked suspicious, as they were both drinking Coca-cola! A "silent alert" went up throughout the club (by text?), and within minutes, every girl in the club was on her guard, and none would go into a booth. Even my old ATF was spooked, and advised me not to go in the booth with anyone today-she herself decided to leave early. They have apparently had several LE scares over the past week. These may or may not have been false alarms-it seems all the girls there now are quite paranoid. So I never got laid.: (
I do think the action will continue there without a problem eventually, once the girls get used to having to be a bit more cautious, as in every other state!
Meanwhile, if any of you guys want to exhange intel on BBFS girls, either at the clubs or escorts-please send a PM-I do have a few new ones, and some nice strippers who I used to do in the booths are now, as predicted, doing OTC for quite reasonable rates. PM me if you want to trade some info about that!
The dancers do expose themselves to risk by offering extras to customers. A customer could be an undercover cop. However I don't think there is any risk to either party if the customer asks the dancer for extras. Does anyone think there is ANY chance that an undercover cop is going to strip and spread at a strip club in order to bust guys who solicit her for sex? So there is no risk to the customer. As for the dancer's risk that a customer asking for extras is an undercover, wouldn't that be entrapment? From what I understand an undercover couldn't ask a person to engage in prostitution, then arrest the person for accepting the undercover's offer. Just don't expect to go to strip clubs and have girls grabbing your stuff, asking if you want a blow job or a fuck, that's all. And I guess no more dancers stroking through your pants at the stage, either.
[QUOTE=Savior Faire]The dancers do expose themselves to risk by offering extras to customers. A customer could be an undercover cop. However I don't think there is any risk to either party if the customer asks the dancer for extras. Does anyone think there is ANY chance that an undercover cop is going to strip and spread at a strip club in order to bust guys who solicit her for sex? So there is no risk to the customer. As for the dancer's risk that a customer asking for extras is an undercover, wouldn't that be entrapment? From what I understand an undercover couldn't ask a person to engage in prostitution, then arrest the person for accepting the undercover's offer. Just don't expect to go to strip clubs and have girls grabbing your stuff, asking if you want a blow job or a fuck, that's all. And I guess no more dancers stroking through your pants at the stage, either.[/QUOTE]
Now this is the question for both this board and the massage board. You don't want to be at an amp during a raid to avoid being on the six o'clock news. so what happens at PP or CF if a dancer gets popped. Any real difference to us.
Is a raid at a strip club even a real thing, or a figment of a pop-culture-fueled imagination? Could somebody spell out in detail what a raid at, say, Cheaters, would entail? You've got 100 or more people in a club, the vast majority of whom at any given time are doing nothing illegal. Two or 4 MIGHT be doing something illegal behind closed doors. How would the police know? It can't be assumed that illegal activity IS going on behind those closed doors, because people DO go there simply for private lap dances, and because some girls aren't too good with math and may insist on $35/song for lapdances but do 15 minute booths for $100, which is cheaper for the guy plus has privacy. The police expose themselves to lawsuits and to tremendous embarrassment if they deploy the 10 - 20 cops that would be necessary to control the crowd in such a raid, then burst into the 2 occupied booths and find nothing illegal. Remember, too, that stripping has been deemed a Constitutionally protected activity by the Supreme Court.
[QUOTE=Savior Faire]Is a raid at a strip club even a real thing, or a figment of a pop-culture-fueled imagination? Could somebody spell out in detail what a raid at, say, Cheaters, would entail? You've got 100 or more people in a club, the vast majority of whom at any given time are doing nothing illegal. Two or 4 MIGHT be doing something illegal behind closed doors. How would the police know? It can't be assumed that illegal activity IS going on behind those closed doors, because people DO go there simply for private lap dances, and because some girls aren't too good with math and may insist on $35/song for lapdances but do 15 minute booths for $100, which is cheaper for the guy plus has privacy. The police expose themselves to lawsuits and to tremendous embarrassment if they deploy the 10 - 20 cops that would be necessary to control the crowd in such a raid, then burst into the 2 occupied booths and find nothing illegal. Remember, too, that stripping has been deemed a Constitutionally protected activity by the Supreme Court.[/QUOTE]
My best guess would be in a strip club there would just be an individual arrest to they gal if she solicits. Most that might happen is lights on and all are asked to leave.
We don't know how this law is written as to enforcement, do they have to arrest now or do they get a warrant after several visits.
If one girl behind a closed door at an amp or in a club breaks the law I don't see the grounds to even bother anyone else. If there was a law against being in an amp or club they would just cuff you when you walk out.
As usual prostitution laws are by far more against the provider than the John and this has been the back bone of those fighting the laws.
If I'm just lying on a table and some girl grabs my junk we know she is not a cop and if I let her do it I may not be a cop or still could be one gathering evidence or just going to lie on the stand.
In short I don't see how much trouble we would get in, its more that they will be busting individual providers and possibly taking licenses away that allow these places to stay open.
Should one of us be stupid enough to ask first for a service with a provider we do not know then we are putting ourselves at risk.
As far as the gay clubs being busted I doubt it, clubs like that and the swinger clubs are protected by federal statutes and test cases. You pay to go to a party and no one on the premises is receiving a fee for services so its not prostitution.
[QUOTE=Savior Faire]Is a raid at a strip club even a real thing, or a figment of a pop-culture-fueled imagination? [/QUOTE]
Yes, strip club raids are real. They happen all over the country. In the recent memory Tampa Fl, Bridgeport CT and San Diego CA have had them. They are most often politically motivated so Providence is ripe for them right now.
That being said, much as with AMPS, the customers are usually just left alone or told to get lost. LE is not going to plant female cops in a strip club so the bust is going to come when a dancer services a plain-cloths cop. LE has no interest in customers, only in the dancers who they are going to try and book for prostitution.
Of course, in a F'd up state like RI anything can happen...
To me, what BG57 and HappyDave have described isn't a raid. When I see the term raid I think of drug raids or raids on speakeasys during Prohibition. A large # of cops bursting in and arresting everybody in sight. What you've described is a sting and a bust of an individual stripper caught in the sting. Nothing for any of us to worry about, as in the post saying something about being on TV after a raid.
[QUOTE=Savior Faire]To me, what BG57 and HappyDave have described isn't a raid. When I see the term raid I think of drug raids or raids on speakeasys during Prohibition. A large # of cops bursting in and arresting everybody in sight. What you've described is a sting and a bust of an individual stripper caught in the sting. Nothing for any of us to worry about, as in the post saying something about being on TV after a raid.[/QUOTE]
Not to say that the PD or AG invite the press for a scheduled bust. Then yes you may be photographed or even asked for an interview as you walk to your car with mass plates on it.
[QUOTE=HappyDave]Not to say that the PD or AG invite the press for a scheduled bust. Then yes you may be photographed or even asked for an interview as you walk to your car with mass plates on it.[/QUOTE]
Is the news in PVD that lame that if the police told them 'Come with us, we're going to arrest a stripper for solicitation' the newscaster would think one stripper is newsworthy, and then hang around for hours interviewing and filming every patron as he leaves? Why don't they just hop in their vehicle, drive around a little, and film and interview all the low-level drug dealers who make motions and give signals asking if you want drugs? At least those thugs at one of those intersections not too far from Cheaters who used to try to come right up to your door at the red light are gone...
[QUOTE=Savior Faire]Is the news in PVD that lame that if the police told them 'Come with us, we're going to arrest a stripper for solicitation' the newscaster would think one stripper is newsworthy, and then hang around for hours interviewing and filming every patron as he leaves? Why don't they just hop in their vehicle, drive around a little, and film and interview all the low-level drug dealers who make motions and give signals asking if you want drugs? At least those thugs at one of those intersections not too far from Cheaters who used to try to come right up to your door at the red light are gone...[/QUOTE]
Sex sells and its not uncommon to make a high profile bust to show they are getting results from a new high profile law. Things go under cover then slowly rise to the surface over time.
Every now and then you do see reports on drug raids and in some cases immigration busts.
[QUOTE=HappyDave]Should one of us be stupid enough to ask first for a service with a provider we do not know then we are putting ourselves at risk.
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I'm curious about this. I can see how it would be a risk with escorts, SWs, and maybe AMPs, but not with strippers. Once she's stripped and spread aren't we certain she's not a cop?
[QUOTE=Savior Faire]I'm curious about this. I can see how it would be a risk with escorts, SWs, and maybe AMPs, but not with strippers. Once she's stripped and spread aren't we certain she's not a cop?[/QUOTE]
This may sound simplistic but I picture a raid as first having one or two undercover working a club looking for propositions, drugs and the like and when there is enough obvious evidence at that moment others are signaled to come in. Remember also that you only have to mention sex for a fee to be arrested whether it came from the male or the female.
[QUOTE=Savior Faire]To me, what BG57 and HappyDave have described isn't a raid. When I see the term raid I think of drug raids or raids on speakeasys during Prohibition. A large # of cops bursting in and arresting everybody in sight. What you've described is a sting and a bust of an individual stripper caught in the sting. Nothing for any of us to worry about, as in the post saying something about being on TV after a raid.[/QUOTE]
You can define it as whatever you want if it makes you feel better. If you prefer to keep your head in the sand and pretend that these things don't happen that's your business.