"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;3872225]A few years ago, I had drinks with a friend who was unhappily married and I told him about sugar dating. He got pretty crazy with it. Long story short, one of his old babies texted him out of the blue the other night to tell him, she had a new place she was living and it's with some roommates. She texted him the neighborhood etc. He shit his pants and started blowing up my phone asking for advise. The neighborhood? Is his and the house is literally 350 ft up the road. GULP. Now this girl is semi-stable, but was borderline transient for a while, out a pathological liar. She wasn't like drama crazy, but he told me he never trusted her. He think she launched a missile across his bow and might want something. Why else would she just blurt out the new neighborhood? She's acting nice so far and he's doesn't even know if she knows for sure. (could just be a small world thing) but the guy is miserable and filled with paranoia looking out his window, waiting for that knock, waiting to see her talking out on the street to his wife, etc. Etc.

He asked me if he should just meet with her and get the elephant out of the room and tell her. See if she is angling for anything or not. I told him if she's going to do anything, she will. Period and paying her off won't matter. Should he confront her? Let it ride, set her straight up front? This girl will get desperate and make his life hell. That is my gut feeling. She also been in and out of trouble with the law and hangs with some bad characters. Just looking for advise to offer him.[/QUOTE]If it was really a text out of the blue, and they hadn't had contact for a long time. Ignore her text. She has no clue if he changed his number, moved, or died. If he already responded, DO NOT lost control of yourself. Stay firm, take JZL's advice and see how she responds.

Shout out to Richmond! I am from Durham, NC but have learned so much from all why'all and my SB experiences in Richmond. Later this summer I'll be in the Boston area, so I checked out their board, and folks up "nawf" are raving about all the good information on the Richmond board! Just wanted to send a general thanks to one and all who have contributed to my education and that of many others, even those quite a piece up the road.

Trivia: Rt 1 (JD Highway in Richmond) is continuous and is known as the Boston Post Road up the coast!

Mark.

How committed are you guys to keeping things am arrangement?

What I mean by that is recently I've hit a streak of finding these girls on there, making the move to another messaging app and hitting them with game. I'm not Casanova but I know how to talk. I'm finding that the next thing I know all talk of arrangements cease and these girls are just looking for straight FS. It's almost becoming "seeking fwb's" for me LOL. Now I'm not complaining about it by any means but in a way I kind of like the dynamics of the arrangements, including helping these girls financially.

What say you guys? Have any of you had these kind of situations? How do you handle them?

[QUOTE=BagIt;3873142]So how do you handle when the girl wants to know what allowance is being offered when she asks it through a message on SA, never even met her yet. Many of them will do this because I tell some straight up that I'm not into dinners and dating, just want to go to the fun and bed from the get go. These girls I'm talking about are not pros or utr's either, just sb types who are willing to go straight to the sack even before a public meet up.[/QUOTE]I'm far from an expert about this, especially here on the Richmond board, but I never discuss allowance on SA at all. My initial PMs indicate I'm looking for private time and after a couple of PMs, we move to email or text. Of course, I target the SBs whose profiles indicate there on the site for the same reason I'm there. I think that's the first step.

As for others, it's clear there are many who actually work a completely different angle.

The best advice, however, is to go back and look at the SB thread that is pinned. You'll find some of the best advice you'll find anywhere about the bowl, that's for sure!

[QUOTE=BagIt;3873142]So how do you handle when the girl wants to know what allowance is being offered when she asks it through a message on SA, never even met her yet. Many of them will do this because I tell some straight up that I'm not into dinners and dating, just want to go to the fun and bed from the get go. These girls I'm talking about are not pros or utr's either, just sb types who are willing to go straight to the sack even before a public meet up.[/QUOTE]A real SB wouldn't agree to go straight to the for a pre-agreed price. A real SB wants to meet you and see if there's chemistry, you may not be the one. By the very definition of what you described, they are UTR or pro, even if very good at faking it.

I agree with JZ.

"These girls I'm talking about are not pros or utr's either, just sb types who ARE WILLING TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE SACK EVEN BEFORE A PUBLIC MEET UP".

....You are pretty much guaranteed they are a pro, utr or completely desperate.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3873780]A real SB wouldn't agree to go straight to the for a pre-agreed price. A real SB wants to meet you and see if there's chemistry, you may not be the one. By the very definition of what you described, they are UTR or pro, even if very good at faking it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3873780]A real SB wouldn't agree to go straight to the for a pre-agreed price. A real SB wants to meet you and see if there's chemistry, you may not be the one. By the very definition of what you described, they are UTR or pro, even if very good at faking it.[/QUOTE]Honestly they are not utr or pro. I have a reason why I don't want to meet them in public and I tell them this from get go on SA, that I have no interest in dinners or dates. I am sending messages to girls I know are no pro or utr and tell them in 1 or 2nd message, "I am looking for an SB who will come see me for fun and bed, no dinners and dates, you open to it?" You will be surprised how many respond yes, but then will want to know the allowance.

[QUOTE=BagIt;3873932] You will be surprised how many respond yes, but then will want to know the allowance.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be surprised at all, utrs and pros are everywhere. It takes a conscious effort to avoid them and land real SBs.

I've been watching the SB site for a while now and decided to splurge and purchase a few credits so I may attempt to contact a few girls. Reached out to a few, and had a couple replies. One was a pro in Hopewell just looking for some quick $$ She gave me the "I have no food for my kids" line, but whatever. I met her once and had a nice bbbjcimws.

Messaged another girl, very pretty 36 yrs old, has a stable job, car, home, etc. I kept messaging her and she gave me her KIK screen name and then we used that form of communication. Asked her to meet up for a drink one night after work and she said yes, had a very nice time, she is really a great girl. Met two other times, once for coffee and the other was for drinks and appetizers. One night during the week I texted her and asked if she wanted to come over, to my surprise she said yes. She probably didn't get to my place till 2300, but a couple of hours later we were naked in the bedroom. A few nights later she came over again for a repeat.

With all that being said I still haven't been asked for any allowance, but I am waiting for that conversation to take place. LOL. Idk, I will just play it by ear and see what happens. She did say to me that she wanted the benefits of a relationship, without the relationship bs. I am fine with that.

I don't think I fully understood what a sugar daddy \ baby was.

[QUOTE=VangDr;3875132]I've been watching the SB site for a while now and decided to splurge and purchase a few credits so I may attempt to contact a few girls. Reached out to a few, and had a couple replies. One was a pro in Hopewell just looking for some quick $$ She gave me the "I have no food for my kids" line, but whatever. I met her once and had a nice bbbjcimws.

Messaged another girl, very pretty 36 yrs old, has a stable job, car, home, etc. I kept messaging her and she gave me her KIK screen name and then we used that form of communication. Asked her to meet up for a drink one night after work and she said yes, had a very nice time, she is really a great girl. Met two other times, once for coffee and the other was for drinks and appetizers. One night during the week I texted her and asked if she wanted to come over, to my surprise she said yes. She probably didn't get to my place till 2300, but a couple of hours later we were naked in the bedroom. A few nights later she came over again for a repeat.

With all that being said I still haven't been asked for any allowance, but I am waiting for that conversation to take place. LOL. Idk, I will just play it by ear and see what happens. She did say to me that she wanted the benefits of a relationship, without the relationship bs. I am fine with that.

I don't think I fully understood what a sugar daddy \ baby was.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of girls who have a boyfriend already that's not meeting their needs, yet have cravings and fantasies about meeting older men for no-strings sex, and sometimes they use the scenario you described as a way of saying they want the hookups but nothing more serious (emotional needs already met but they don't want to come out and say they are cheating). I love this category of girls. There are also girls who are looking for exactly what she says she is. A "pseudo-boyfriend" that she can hang out with and have good sex and good times with, but without the obligation that you will text each other daily and start pulling emotions and feelings into the situation. I like this category of girls too, but some of them can quickly go from wanting only the hookups to wanting something more. Either type is a winning situation because gifts or money is either way down their priority list, or not on it at all in some cases.

Currently women on SA can make a free account and send and receive messages for free but SA has changed the rules up on them as well. A premium account charges them $19/ month for a premium subscription with this they can see if you have read their message, narrow their search results by age, ethnicity, income, net worth and do on. Also without a premium subscription the SB cannot tell what men are premium subscribers. Meaning they can't tell who will be able to read and reply to their messages. So while SA is still "free" to women, it's greatly limited what you get for free. Girls who register with their college. Edu email accounts get free premium accounts as they are verified college students.

In case you haven't been following her in the General Reports #7711 section, she has been found after the police were looking for her. She is on SA today so beware if she is not what she seems.

[QUOTE=BagIt;3873932]Honestly they are not utr or pro. I have a reason why I don't want to meet them in public and I tell them this from get go on SA, that I have no interest in dinners or dates. I am sending messages to girls I know are no pro or utr and tell them in 1 or 2nd message, "I am looking for an SB who will come see me for fun and bed, no dinners and dates, you open to it?" You will be surprised how many respond yes, but then will want to know the allowance.[/QUOTE]Hey BagIt.

First point I'll make, and this point is frequently made by the Admin of this board, is this. If they have sex with you in exchange for money, and if there were no money there would be no sex, they are PROS. It's that simple. It does not matter if it happens 3 months after you start talking with them or three hours after. Sex for money = PRO. But not all pros operate exactly the same way. In the same way that not all SDs operate the same way. Trust me when I tell you, there is more than one way to skin a cat and what might work for me or some other SD might not work for you. The fact is, many SBs don't want to consider themselves pros, and each one has a different degree of financial need, and therefore different levels of urgency. If they are mostly financially stable, not supporting a habit or a kid, or not desperately trying to make rent or tuition payments, then they may be in a position to take it slower and be more picky. But some of the best encounters I have had, with the hottest chicks I've been with, have moved very quickly from initial contact to FC. Some have taken longer and require more time and work. IMHO, one of the skills most successful SDs have is, the ability to quickly read the signals the SB is giving you and then being able to quickly adjust your "system" to that particular SB. For my part, if an SB starts asking about money over the DM on the site, I use that as an opportunity to immediately move her to offline communication or to a first meeting. I don't like to discuss money or those types of details using the DM on the SA site. So when they bring it up, I tell them that, and suggest we start texting, or skyping or using whatever method you use to communicate offline. Or I tell them that I would rather have that discussion face to face, so I suggest a meeting for coffee, drinks or lunch. I like to start with a casual meeting that does not require a big time commitment on her part or a big financial commitment on my part. So if they want to move fast, don't automatically assume that is a negative. Go with it, but use it to your advantage. Get her to commit to moving forward, one way or another. Frankly, and this is just my opinion, the biggest time wasters are the ones who want to have casual conversation for 2-3 weeks using the DM on the SA site. If they will not at least move to an offline form of communication pretty quickly, the chances you are dealing with a time waster go way up. But again, this is just my opinion. You will need to find the process that works best for you.

Stay Safe,

Starkey.

Anyone seen this tall busty ginger?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c21d247c-b5e7-647b-15c4-ca9bfdc24a49[/URL]

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;3878751]Anyone seen this tall busty ginger?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c21d247c-b5e7-647b-15c4-ca9bfdc24a49[/URL][/QUOTE]Had dinner with her a few months back. She cancelled at the last minute before the next date and didn't want to meet anymore. Fun to talk with and quite a beauty. Never got past a hug and I guess she decided that was a far as she wanted to go. Maybe you will have better luck.