"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=CoolPix;3864711]One of my ATFs (who I won't divulge because I'm stingy that way!) isn't on BC and I normally pull out (I know, I know, spare me the lecture about how that doesn't work. It was her idea, not mine) but we did a two night trip and the last night we were pretty toasted and neither of us bothered with the cover or pulling out. The next morning she was in a bit of a panic so we stopped at the CVS on our way to the airport and bought Plan B. She cancelled a follow up date a couple of weeks later because she thought she was pregnant and it really freaked her out (and me too). Two weeks later I get the "good news" text and I've seen her three times since. But we're a bit more careful these days.

So, just be careful out there mongers.[/QUOTE]Couple things to keep in mind with Plan B:

-For bigger girls it is less effective (as in chunky girls) so be careful.

-It can change a girls menstrual period time depending on when the girl takes it during her usual cycle. So they can be "late" and not be pregnant (had this happen myself when I was in Asia, a girl was 10 days late and was crapping about it. I reassured her and she did get her period).

-I agree with a previous poster, the SBs I have been with (6 of them) all went bare on first bedroom visit. And I do check about contraception first.

GG.

Catholics preach and practice those methods and look how many 3rd world country Catholics there are. Be careful because it is you who stands to loose the most.

[QUOTE=CoolPix;3864711]One of my ATFs (who I won't divulge because I'm stingy that way!) isn't on BC and I normally pull out (I know, I know, spare me the lecture about how that doesn't work. It was her idea, not mine) but we did a two night trip and the last night we were pretty toasted and neither of us bothered with the cover or pulling out. The next morning she was in a bit of a panic so we stopped at the CVS on our way to the airport and bought Plan B. She cancelled a follow up date a couple of weeks later because she thought she was pregnant and it really freaked her out (and me too). Two weeks later I get the "good news" text and I've seen her three times since. But we're a bit more careful these days.

So, just be careful out there mongers.[/QUOTE]

I'm shocked at the number of girls that will go bare (most), and that actually prefer it (most). I know it feels better and that there's "just something about cumming in / getting cummed in" that fucking shuts off all the logic circuits in both sexes. God it feels good. God Damned biology.

Even so, I think part of the girl's comfort with it is that they know that even if the unthinkable happens, they still have options. What guys forget when the little head starts thinking is that once the unthinkable happens, they have ZERO options. Once in this situation, men have NO control. You can voice your opinion, but ultimately, society and the law says that she can do whatever she wants from that point forward, and anything you say, think, want DOES NOT MATTER. You will suffer the consequences, but have no say in the outcome.

And I'm not even taking into account STDs. That's a whole other issue.

I won't judge anyone, but for me, I have never let the woman be in charge of the birth control, and I ALWAYS use condoms, correctly, carefully, ALL the time. If she's on the pill: condom. If she has an IUD: condom. Implant? Condom. Depo shot? Condom. Moon in the first quadrant and Aquarius rising? Condom.

So a number of years ago I had a girlfriend (non-pro) who was 20 years younger than me. She was a FWB, nothing more, because she has more than a few daddy issues and is more than a little crazy / borderline. The upside is that she was super intelligent (no common sense though), a LOT of fun to hang out with, and she was beautiful. Eastern European features, thin, tall, leggy with a fantastic ass and GREAT in bed, when she was in a good mood. When she wasn't she could be a major pain in the ass.

One night I was hitting it from behind, enjoying the view of her beautiful butt and my cock sliding in and out of her 25 year old bald pussy, and when all was done I realized the condom had broken and I'd inadvertently finished inside her. Oh, fuuuuuuuuuck. "Hey, I think we're going to need a Plan B. ".

The ***** flat out refused. One lame excuse after another, but the long and short of it was she was psychotic and just wanted the excitement of seeing this play out (see options paragraph above). I'm freaking out, and had many, many sleepless nights. How I held it together enough to even fake it through the workday, I'll never know. I'm keeping it together with her because I know if I flip out and let her know just how PISSED I am at her for not taking a Plan B she'll just shut me out, and then I'll have ZERO information or control. I have to say, my performance should have won me an Oscar, but I was literally fighting for my life.

She kept good track of her schedule, and the date she expected her period came and went. About a week after that (two weeks after the "incident", still no period), she gets a pregnancy test, one of the "early detection kinds. " Tells me it's negative. Sends pics.

I'm reading everything I can on the internet about pregnancy and pregnancy tests, and I know that at this point they're really not that reliable. I'm spending my workday doing statistical math at my desk. What are the chances I'm totally, irrevocably fucked?

Four days later, she comes over. She takes another early detection pregnancy test, in front of me. Negative. Still no period. She's blaming "stress" and is cool as a cucumber. I'm trying to be that way on the outside, but on the inside I'm going insane.

Three or four days after that, still no period, but now we're in the zone of really good reliability on pregnancy tests. We go to Planned Parenthood. They won't let me in the room with her, because men suck. She texts me from inside - "Negative. Nothing to worry about. See? I told you. " I'm relieved, a weight has been lifted off my shoulders. We go back to mine for a bit and hang out (no sex, I'm still shell-shocked) and eventually I take her home.

As I'm drifting off to sleep, my phone dings. Text message. "Kwag, I AM pregnant. They confirmed it at Planned Parenthood. I freaked out in the office and didn't know what to do. ".

Oh. My. Fucking. God. This really hot, really smart, yet somehow really stupid and legitimately psychotic (God, they're good in bed) ***** has barely any income and lives off her parents. When the state inevitably gets involved, they will ensure my financial ruin. Dammit!

I manage to keep it together and talk her into meeting me the next day. Another pregnancy test, in front of me. Positive. Fuck, fuck, fuckity-fuck.

Long story short, I played the longest, most convincing Hail Mary (Google Tom Leykis Hail Mary) I possibly could, and that, along with $15,000 for a used car negotiated me an abortion she probably actually wanted anyway. Who knows if it was even mine, really? Still, the best money I've spent, EVER.

Needless to say, I don't see her anymore. Also, I've gotten a vasectomy. I'd wanted one, but kept putting it off due to fear and inconvenience. Turns out there's no need to worry about either of those: 15 minutes, no pain, weekend watching sports on TV. Easy breezy.

Again, I won't judge, but learn from me, you bareback fiends. Also, don't stick your dick in crazy, if you can help it.

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;3864966]I'm shocked at the number of girls that will go bare (most), and that actually prefer it (most). I know it feels better and that there's "just something about cumming in / getting cummed in" that fucking shuts off all the logic circuits in both sexes. God it feels good. God Damned biology.

Even so, I think part of the girl's comfort with it is that they know that even if the unthinkable happens, they still have options. What guys forget when the little head starts thinking is that once the unthinkable happens, they have ZERO options. Once in this situation, men have NO control. You can voice your opinion, but ultimately, society and the law says that she can do whatever she wants from that point forward, and anything you say, think, want DOES NOT MATTER. You will suffer the consequences, but have no say in the outcome.

And I'm not even taking into account STDs. That's a whole other issue.

I won't judge anyone, but for me, I have never let the woman be in charge of the birth control, and I ALWAYS use condoms, correctly, carefully, ALL the time. If she's on the pill: condom. If she has an IUD: condom. Implant? Condom. Depo shot? Condom. Moon in the first quadrant and Aquarius rising? Condom.

So a number of years ago I had a girlfriend (non-pro) who was 20 years younger than me. She was a FWB, nothing more, because she has more than a few daddy issues and is more than a little crazy / borderline. The upside is that she was super intelligent (no common sense though), a LOT of fun to hang out with, and she was beautiful. Eastern European features, thin, tall, leggy with a fantastic ass and GREAT in bed, when she was in a good mood. When she wasn't she could be a major pain in the ass.

One night I was hitting it from behind, enjoying the view of her beautiful butt and my cock sliding in and out of her 25 year old bald pussy, and when all was done I realized the condom had broken and I'd inadvertently finished inside her. Oh, fuuuuuuuuuck. "Hey, I think we're going to need a Plan B. ".

The ***** flat out refused. One lame excuse after another, but the long and short of it was she was psychotic and just wanted the excitement of seeing this play out (see options paragraph above). I'm freaking out, and had many, many sleepless nights. How I held it together enough to even fake it through the workday, I'll never know. I'm keeping it together with her because I know if I flip out and let her know just how PISSED I am at her for not taking a Plan B she'll just shut me out, and then I'll have ZERO information or control. I have to say, my performance should have won me an Oscar, but I was literally fighting for my life.

She kept good track of her schedule, and the date she expected her period came and went. About a week after that (two weeks after the "incident", still no period), she gets a pregnancy test, one of the "early detection kinds. " Tells me it's negative. Sends pics.

I'm reading everything I can on the internet about pregnancy and pregnancy tests, and I know that at this point they're really not that reliable. I'm spending my workday doing statistical math at my desk. What are the chances I'm totally, irrevocably fucked?

Four days later, she comes over. She takes another early detection pregnancy test, in front of me. Negative. Still no period. She's blaming "stress" and is cool as a cucumber. I'm trying to be that way on the outside, but on the inside I'm going insane.

Three or four days after that, still no period, but now we're in the zone of really good reliability on pregnancy tests. We go to Planned Parenthood. They won't let me in the room with her, because men suck. She texts me from inside - "Negative. Nothing to worry about. See? I told you. " I'm relieved, a weight has been lifted off my shoulders. We go back to mine for a bit and hang out (no sex, I'm still shell-shocked) and eventually I take her home.

As I'm drifting off to sleep, my phone dings. Text message. "Kwag, I AM pregnant. They confirmed it at Planned Parenthood. I freaked out in the office and didn't know what to do. ".

Oh. My. Fucking. God. This really hot, really smart, yet somehow really stupid and legitimately psychotic (God, they're good in bed) ***** has barely any income and lives off her parents. When the state inevitably gets involved, they will ensure my financial ruin. Dammit!

I manage to keep it together and talk her into meeting me the next day. Another pregnancy test, in front of me. Positive. Fuck, fuck, fuckity-fuck.

Long story short, I played the longest, most convincing Hail Mary (Google Tom Leykis Hail Mary) I possibly could, and that, along with $15,000 for a used car negotiated me an abortion she probably actually wanted anyway. Who knows if the kid was even mine, really? Still, the best money I've spent, EVER.

Needless to say, I don't see her anymore. Also, I've gotten a vasectomy. I'd wanted one, but kept putting it off due to fear and inconvenience. Turns out there's no need to worry about either of those: 15 minutes, no pain, weekend watching sports on TV. Easy breezy.

Again, I won't judge, but learn from me, you bareback fiends. Also, don't stick your dick in crazy, if you can help it.[/QUOTE]Wow, Stephen King has nothing on you. That was som scary shit.

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Jumped off SA and tried it WYP.

In short, got deals to meet 21-28 years olds in RVA. Some flakes or ghosted me after potential texts.

I got to meet two beautiful girls separately. Funny that both turned out to be exotic dancers. Not this town, they travel to out of state to dance.

Anyways, it all seems promising, because I'm thinking the dancers have a sense of what all the guys want, but at the end they are just seeking fun dates, no FC.

Anybody else have a tough tome cracking thru and getting lucky?

I do mention that is what I am seeking, but can never get to a point to negotiate, since it's not even an option. WYP could be a good alternative if expectations can be set beforehand. Also, I do this thru text, I move off The WYP chat asap.

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;3864966]

I won't judge anyone, but for me, I have never let the woman be in charge of the birth control, and I ALWAYS use condoms, correctly, carefully, ALL the time. If she's on the pill: condom. If she has an IUD: condom. Implant? Condom. Depo shot? Condom. Moon in the first quadrant and Aquarius rising? Condom.

Again, I won't judge, but learn from me, you bareback fiends. Also, don't stick your dick in crazy, if you can help it.[/QUOTE]Extremely good post Kwagmire. Thank you. Two part response. Going back to the original question, I have noticed that the SBs I have been with are more than willing to go raw on the FIRST encounter. When I check in to the FC I always put the pack of condoms in the drawer next to the bed before SB arrives. It always goes down the same way. Get back to FC and heavy foreplay. I roll them over like I am about to insert raw and get zero objections. But then I reach for the drawer and my trusty three-pack to their surprise.

It is such a shock because in my college days, condoms were the norm. At LEAST on the first trip to the FC. Times have changed.

I strap up today because I have a SO and worry about the STD that can't be shaken off. As inviting as that young wet cooch looks we truly have no idea how much rod these young women are getting piped down with. I have a vasectomy as well. I don't tell SBs this because I hold it as the ultimate trump card in the event I run into a psycho. Vasectomy was some of the best money ever spent. Be safe. No judgment. Have fun.

Ripper.

Strippers are expert at getting the most out of the guys while giving out the least. Their whole persona is geared towards extracting as much money out of you as possible for as little effort on their part as possible.

So you paid these women to just dine on your dime and then got nothing for your troubles? Wow.

[QUOTE=BlueFalcon123;3865269]Jumped off SA and tried it WYP.

I got to meet two beautiful girls separately. Funny that both turned out to be exotic dancers. Not this town, they travel to out of state to dance.

Anyways, it all seems promising, because I'm thinking the dancers have a sense of what all the guys want, but at the end they are just seeking fun dates, no FC.

Anybody else have a tough tome cracking thru and getting lucky?

I do mention that is what I am seeking, but can never get to a point to negotiate, since it's not even an option. WYP could be a good alternative if expectations can be set beforehand. Also, I do this thru text, I move off The WYP chat asap.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3865870]Strippers are expert at getting the most out of the guys while giving out the least. Their whole persona is geared towards extracting as much money out of you as possible for as little effort on their part as possible.

So you paid these women to just dine on your dime and then got nothing for your troubles? Wow.[/QUOTE]Yes sir! That is exactly what happened.

Wondering if potential for FC after 2nd date. Just smooching was all I got on 1st date. Now, for fellas seeking just the companionship of a young beautiful woman, I can see the value. It's the chase that makes it fun. But you're right, for me I am seeking way more. So, I'll report back after exploring a bit more. I'll join SA in the fall when the fall semester back in session.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3865870]Strippers are expert at getting the most out of the guys while giving out the least. Their whole persona is geared towards extracting as much money out of you as possible for as little effort on their part as possible.

So you paid these women to just dine on your dime and then got nothing for your troubles? Wow.[/QUOTE]Granted, I've only been with three strippers but every single one of them banged me like there was no tomorrow for much less money than I would have expected. But I think it's just the odds. I've been with several SBs who were horrible and many who were fine and more who were great. It's a bit of a crap shoot but that's all part of the fun for me.

Yes she wanted 600 per meet.

I told her good luck and all the best.

[QUOTE=CoolPix;3859212]For my fellow mongers, this one is in your area for the next couple of days and is looking for an SD or two, or six. She contacted me first, wants a pretty penny (too rich for my blood), and I suspect a pro. I'd take one for the team but I'm not in RVA right now.

Cheers!

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/d8603bc5-9c52-3560-fdf1-39a4c888c4d6[/URL][/QUOTE]

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I strap up today because I have a SO and worry about the STD that can't be shaken off. As inviting as that young wet cooch looks we truly have no idea how much rod these young women are getting piped down with. I have a vasectomy as well. I don't tell SBs this because I hold it as the ultimate trump card in the event I run into a psycho. Vasectomy was some of the best money ever spent.
[/QUOTE]Yes indeed. In my case insurance paid every penny of my vasectomy, which was nice since I'd incurred some pretty big expenses with the "oops". Thank god I had the cash; a lot of guys wouldn't have had that kind of dry powder to bring to the table.

I still wear condoms religiously because of STDs, (never had / caught anything, and would prefer to keep it that way) and it's easy to justify by saying "neither one of us wants a surprise baby, right"? I don't mention the vasectomy. The only time she needs to find out about that is if she tries to pin a pregnancy on me.

[QUOTE]Wow, Stephen King has nothing on you. That was som scary shit. [/QUOTE]Even with all the maneuvering and angst and worry and cost, it's not lost on me that I won the accidental pregnancy / pregnancy trap (because of the Plan B refusal) lottery. I feel a profound sense of luck and gratitude every time I think about those 4 weeks a few years ago. Easily the worst time of my life to date.

Luckiest man alive.

[QUOTE=S2568;3866080]Yes she wanted 600 per meet.

I told her good luck and all the best.[/QUOTE]I got her down to 450 but then she went all whiggy when I asked for pics. And then went silent. Good grief, don't know what's going on this summer but the SBs have lost their minds. They all have GPS right now or have gone UTR.

Happy hunting boys!

My Experience in the Sugar World is that the "you get what you pay for" motto definitely does not apply!! In fact it is often the inverse.

If a girl thinks I'm lucky to be with her it is almost always a bad experience. If a girl thinks she is lucky to be with me, I've almost always had great experiences.

There is also not a strong correlation with beauty. The most beautiful girls are often natural beauties that don't need to be all done up to be attractive. They are often athletes or into yoga, are down to earth and humble and put off by arrogant and immature men.

One girl I spent two entire days with is a signed model with a top agency, an Instagram star and well known yoga instructor. She has now since married a man twice her age. She was naturally attracted to older men and enjoyed the experience. It was an incredible experience with two days of wild pse type sex and at the fraction of the price of any gps girl.

I've had several girls ask for allowance for the meet and greet so she can "get her nails, hair and makeup done so she can look good for me". My first thought is that if you need to do all that to look good, then what do really look like under the war paint? Lol

I never assume price = value. Just my two cents!

[QUOTE=CoolPix;3867458]I got her down to 450 but then she went all whiggy when I asked for pics. And then went silent. Good grief, don't know what's going on this summer but the SBs have lost their minds. They all have GPS right now or have gone UTR.

Happy hunting boys![/QUOTE]

Totally agree. The girls who quote 400 or more usually have a list of "don't do's" that comes out once you agree for that GPS price. The experience is going to be more mechanical. Anyway, I avoid the subject of allowance before meet and greet. They may bring it up, but try to talk out of it until meet. Never a good idea to agree on an allowance before meet.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3867671]My Experience in the Sugar World is that the "you get what you pay for" motto definitely does not apply!! In fact it is often the inverse.
of it and see
If a girl thinks I'm lucky to be with her it is almost always a bad experience. If a girl thinks she is lucky to be with me, I've almost always had great experiences.

There is also not a strong correlation with beauty. The most beautiful girls are often natural beauties that don't need to be all done up to be attractive. They are often athletes or into yoga, are down to earth and humble and put off by arrogant and immature men.

One girl I spent two entire days with is a signed model with a top agency, an Instagram star and well known yoga instructor. She has now since married a man twice her age. She was naturally attracted to older men and enjoyed the experience. It was an incredible experience with two days of wild pse type sex and at the fraction of the price of any gps girl.

I've had several girls ask for allowance for the meet and greet so she can "get her nails, hair and makeup done so she can look good for me". My first thought is that if you need to do all that to look good, then what do really look like under the war paint? Lol

I never assume price = value. Just my two cents![/QUOTE]