Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=Anthony Planet;1716021]Took a trip to Pin Ups today sine I haven't been there in months. Saw a few old fans, but there was some new talent. Most of the mileage is good, but there seemed to be a lot more security, and not a lot of stick shifting. My major complaint was that it seemed that the songs could be as short as one minute and a half. Even at $5 a song, that's no good. Fine looking ladies, but your money would last longer at Follies.[/QUOTE]They have been short-song-ing for a while now. One of the reasons I don't go much anymore.

Travis Porter captures the Follies experience in this video. Looks like 40, 000 people now know about our favorite haunt. See anyone you recognize?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXEaL2CI2RA[/url]

[QUOTE=Acaryu;1716503]There is no question Follies is the most popular club in Atlanta from reading the posting on this board and talking to many girls in many clubs. It looks to me that the main reason why people go to strip club is to get some. Do some of you go to SC's to look at beautiful girls anymore? I have heard that a lot of top notch girls are moving out of this business because of the new trend. They say the clubs are different nowadays. If you don't do extras, you can't make a living.[/QUOTE]I thought the old days was a no-holds-bar, extra free for all? Gold Club? Some guys seem misty eyed over how it 'used to be.'

I am going to be coming through ATL on Sunday the 14th and wanted to stop by a club on the way home. I will probably be through around lunch time, are any places open that early?

Thanks in advance for any info that you might have.

[QUOTE=NorthernImport;1723074]I thought the old days was a no-holds-bar, extra free for all? Gold Club? Some guys seem misty eyed over how it 'used to be.'[/QUOTE]Yes, Gold Club in the old days, but mostly for high rollers and sport personalities that could afford it. Not the 150 dollars deals you find in Follies. I get misty eyes over old time clubs that people go to see nice looking high class girls, and there were lots of people that went there to spend a few thousands each time. Now it is VIP 30 minutes, clean up, next customer, like an assembly wxxxxhxxxx. Now it is booty, azz, . Just different.

[QUOTE=BadGolfer1975; 1723274]I am going to be coming through ATL on Sunday the 14th and wanted to stop by a club on the way home. I will probably be through around lunch time, are any places open that early?

Thanks in advance for any info that you might have.[/QUOTE]Follies opens at 1:00 and can get pretty busy by 3 or 4. I think Pink Pony, Oasis and Shooters Alley are also open. Not much else is open at all on Sunday.

[QUOTE=Nomdeplume; 1722615]Travis Porter captures the Follies experience in this video. Looks like 40, 000 people now know about our favorite haunt. See anyone you recognize?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXEaL2CI2RA[/url][/QUOTE]Nope. Somebody told me those aren't Follies strippers. There are so many girls who dance at Follies, wouldn't that be a hard negative to be sure about? Either they're from the night shift or they're, um, actresses playing the part of strippers.

[QUOTE=Nomdeplume; 1722615]Travis Porter captures the Follies experience in this video. Looks like 40, 000 people now know about our favorite haunt. See anyone you recognize?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXEaL2CI2RA[/url][/QUOTE]I'm surprised this is still even on youtube.

[QUOTE=Bobbyj29; 1717053]I used to be a regular at Follies, Oasis, Pink Pony (hell, pretty much everywhere around Buford Highway) going at least once a week and usually 2-3 times. I loved the chase, picking out who might be doing what, trying to setup OTC action and everything in between. Then about a year ago, it hit me: this was way too easy now. I had to look for a girl that WASN'T doing extras. Long as there was cash in my pocket damn near every girl was available for whatever. No more teasing, no more playing coy talking about,"I'm not like that," or,"I don't do that," and no more back and forth, just right to business. In short, what we all say we want, no more games. The thing I realized though was that the whole reason I was hitting up the SCs was for the games. You take the teasing and the chase out of it and all you're really left with is an overpriced lay on an uncomfortable couch that's still warm from the last fat ass who was just there and had decided to pull his pants all the way down because he knows he doesn't even have to be discrete anymore. After that epiphany, I've been going the escort route. The $150-250 I would spend in the club gets me an hour or two in a nice hotel room with a banging chick focused on me and no rushing. Or three qk sessions for the price of one VIP at Follies. Whatever I'm in the mood for.

I know most of you guys hate me for saying it, but I wish more of the girls were more low-key. I used to get shitty at the girls who would swing by and start off with,"want to dance?" Now it seems like they start off with,"want to fuck?" I see SCs as a place to chill and hunt, with the failures making the successes that much sweeter. When I want to shoot ducks in a barrel I hit up an escort. I don't like them both being the same thing. So to answer your question, yeah, I go to a SC with the intention of getting extras, but I like knowing that there's a chase involved with a possibility of failure if I'm off my game. If I go knowing there's a 100% chance of success, then I'm most likely going to whip the car around and hit up one of ATFs instead. That's just one man's opinion and frankly, if I didn't have the extra money to afford the chase and strikeouts, I'd love the current status quo at the clubs.[/QUOTE]I have become too damn friendly with a stripper that I want to have sex with and now she feels like gossip time every time she sees me. However, the thing that surprised me was the number of dancers that have pimps. Some of these guys are fucking brutal. This explained some of the behavior for me, of course some of it is pure competition. Some of the girls suffer consequences for not making enough money.

[QUOTE=Southbound;1723821]I have become too damn friendly with a stripper that I want to have sex with and now she feels like gossip time every time she sees me. However, the thing that surprised me was the number of dancers that have pimps. Some of these guys are fucking brutal. This explained some of the behavior for me, of course some of it is pure competition. Some of the girls suffer consequences for not making enough money.[/QUOTE]If they support their boyfriends and they do extras in the VIP's, do you classify those boyfriends as pimps? A lot of the strippers are single mothers.

[QUOTE=Southbound;1723821]I have become too damn friendly with a stripper that I want to have sex with and now she feels like gossip time every time she sees me. However, the thing that surprised me was the number of dancers that have pimps. Some of these guys are fucking brutal. This explained some of the behavior for me, of course some of it is pure competition. Some of the girls suffer consequences for not making enough money.[/QUOTE]I can second what you have heard being I have a close female friend who briefly (maybe 3-4 days) worked at Follies (didn't tell me until afterwards) about a year or so ago and whose sister still currently works there (she's a Latina). She also mentioned how shocked she was how many girls working there had pimps. I guess they figure more money can be made that way and it's easier on them since they don't have to deal with the overhead (no renting a hotel room, apt, or etc) , the club has it's own security, guys who'd never do the SW or escort thing will do the club thing, an ample supply of customers, alcohol on-hand so customers might be a little more free with their money, and etc. It just seems like an overall better business plan for low level pimps not that most pimps think like that.

I'm not defending "pimps" but my definition of a pimp includes offering something of value. Protection. Advertising. Transportation. Accomodations. Business Planning. Something.

What does a Strip Club "Pimp" provide?

If he is just a loser that sits at home in the trailer watching Springer and doing while she sucks for bucks that isn't a pimp. I call that a lot of things but not a pimp.

[QUOTE=Steak 404; 1724651]I'm not defending "pimps" but my definition of a pimp includes offering something of value. Protection. Advertising. Transportation. Accomodations. Business Planning. Something.

What does a Strip Club "Pimp" provide?

If he is just a loser that sits at home in the trailer watching Springer and doing while she sucks for bucks that isn't a pimp. I call that a lot of things but not a pimp.[/QUOTE]Your definition sounds like "B" school. However, you are correct many pimps provide those services. The problem is what they have to offer does not belong to them. Pimps have been keeping up with the changing times. Many of them have their girls on Backpage and other escort services. I don't know if there is such a thing as a Strip Club Pimp, these guys provide the same things that you defined including the brutality and beatings. At any rate.

[QUOTE=Acaryu;1724144]If they support their boyfriends and they do extras in the VIP's, do you classify those boyfriends as pimps? A lot of the strippers are single mothers.[/QUOTE]No I don't classify those guys as pimps. I am talking about the same guys that have girls working escort services and Backpage. There will always be want to be Kevin Federline's hanging around strip clubs bragging to his friends about dating a stripper. I am referring to the guys that move their girls around different strip clubs around the city and some take the girls across country (All star games, Superbowls, competitions etc.).

[QUOTE=Steak 404; 1724651]I'm not defending "pimps" but my definition of a pimp includes offering something of value. Protection. Advertising. Transportation. Accomodations. Business Planning. Something.

What does a Strip Club "Pimp" provide?[/QUOTE]Actually, the club serves as the girls' "pimp". That's why it's hard to accept that so many Follies strippers are dumb enough to believe that a literal pimp serves any purpose. As far as I see it, a pimp does nothing the club isn't already doing except to take all the money the club doesn't take and to beat them.

I've been shocked at not just the number of pimped strippers but at how many don't appear to be the type. Girls you would think have a bit more sense than to allow some superfluous goon to control them. As for the comment that pimped strippers may explain the blatant propositioning in the club, I don't see that. Many of the pimped girls give fairly tame dances and VIPs, while some of the wildest dancers are independent. Shitcan the pimps and it would be just as debauched, if not more so.

[QUOTE=Curt828; 1725201]Actually, the club serves as the girls' "pimp". That's why it's hard to accept that so many Follies strippers are dumb enough to believe that a literal pimp serves any purpose. As far as I see it, a pimp does nothing the club isn't already doing except to take all the money the club doesn't take and to beat them.

I've been shocked at not just the number of pimped strippers but at how many don't appear to be the type. Girls you would think have a bit more sense than to allow some superfluous goon to control them. As for the comment that pimped strippers may explain the blatant propositioning in the club, I don't see that. Many of the pimped girls give fairly tame dances and VIPs, while some of the wildest dancers are independent. Shitcan the pimps and it would be just as debauched, if not more so.[/QUOTE]Pimps fill the need a woman has emotionally. They fill some insecure need they have deep down.

It has nothing to do with providing for them materially or security.

That's why the girls have no problem sleeping with hundreds of men and giving them their money.

I know lots of girls at Follies that have pimps. Fine ones.

And any woman can be pimped. You just need to find their insecurity and manipulate it.

It has nothing to do with how smart they are. Deep down ever woman wants to be pimped.

Like little Wayne says, "can't treat these hoes like ladies"

[QUOTE=Curt828;1723407]Nope. Somebody told me those aren't Follies strippers. There are so many girls who dance at Follies, wouldn't that be a hard negative to be sure about? Either they're from the night shift or they're, um, actresses playing the part of strippers.[/QUOTE]3 of those chicks works at Follies.

That thick white chick with the exotic look Works at Oasis during the day and at Follies at night.

She a * though. Not really into her job.

Just trying to find a good idea of which Atlanta SC's are offering decent mileage $5 dances. Been to Babes and Foxy Lady for this, and had decent results. Also read from reports that Pinups and Onyx have $5 dances, but aren't the best quality.

Any other clubs that offer good $5 dances if I'm just in the mood for a few beers and a good grinding?

It's 1:15 and I am heading to follie's. White guy, yellow dress shirt if you want to say 'hi'!

[QUOTE=NewGuy82; 1726255]Just trying to find a good idea of which Atlanta SC's are offering decent mileage $5 dances. Been to Babes and Foxy Lady for this, and had decent results. Also read from reports that Pinups and Onyx have $5 dances, but aren't the best quality.

Any other clubs that offer good $5 dances if I'm just in the mood for a few beers and a good grinding?[/QUOTE]Blaze.

Imo much better than Onyz (which only has $5 dances during dayshift) & Pinups.

At all these clubs make sure you are keeping track of songs. Also, some of those $5 songs aren't really the bargain they appear to be if you get a 2 minute rap song vs. A 5 or 6 minute ballad at a white club for $10.

[QUOTE=Vibe3030; 1725641]Pimps fill the need a woman has emotionally. They fill some insecure need they have deep down.

It has nothing to do with providing for them materially or security.

That's why the girls have no problem sleeping with hundreds of men and giving them their money.

I know lots of girls at Follies that have pimps. Fine ones.

And any woman can be pimped. You just need to find their insecurity and manipulate it.

It has nothing to do with how smart they are. Deep down ever woman wants to be pimped.

Like little Wayne says,"can't treat these hoes like ladies"[/QUOTE]Thanks, I'm sure we're all familiar with the rationalizations for pimps. They're still parasites and con artists. The "emotional need" they profess to fill is nothing but a con. Sure, it's possible for anybody to be conned, but it's a really dumb move for a stripper to fall for a pimp's manipulations, no matter how smart she may be. (God, I can't believe I'm having to explain this. LOL.)

I know I'm not the only one who is surprised by some girls who at first glance don't do a lot of the dumb stuff you'd expect from a pimped stripper but turn out to have pimps all the same. And I don't know anybody who feels glad for them that their emotional needs are being filled.

[QUOTE=Curt828; 1726826]Thanks, I'm sure we're all familiar with the rationalizations for pimps. They're still parasites and con artists. The "emotional need" they profess to fill is nothing but a con. Sure, it's possible for anybody to be conned, but it's a really dumb move for a stripper to fall for a pimp's manipulations, no matter how smart she may be. (God, I can't believe I'm having to explain this. LOL.)

I know I'm not the only one who is surprised by some girls who at first glance don't do a lot of the dumb stuff you'd expect from a pimped stripper but turn out to have pimps all the same. And I don't know anybody who feels glad for them that their emotional needs are being filled.[/QUOTE]Well growing up in Chicago the pimps I know weren't really con artist. They actually were the men in the women's lives. They were the managers, father figures, as well as the only ones who didn't judge them like society does. And juggling multiple women all with different personalities is like taking care of a bunch of prideful egotistical teenage girls. That's not as easy as you think. I've seen some of the top notch pimps to the wannabe low budget con artist that your talking about. Trust and believe me we should be thanking the pimps for being the ones to put some of these young and fine "legal" tenders out here for alot of you to enjoy. Now all pimps didn't learn proper game etiquette so there are just some useless leaches out there.

[QUOTE=Don Mack;1727090]Well growing up in Chicago the pimps I know weren't really con artist. They actually were the men in the women's lives. They were the managers, father figures, as well as the only ones who didn't judge them like society does. And juggling multiple women all with different personalities is like taking care of a bunch of prideful egotistical teenage girls. That's not as easy as you think. I've seen some of the top notch pimps to the wannabe low budget con artist that your talking about. Trust and believe me we should be thanking the pimps for being the ones to put some of these young and fine "legal" tenders out here for alot of you to enjoy. Now all pimps didn't learn proper game etiquette so there are just some useless leaches out there.[/QUOTE]Not defending all business practices of "legit" pimps but agree. I'm in sales, business development, etc. Whatever you want to call it. I have grown men and women that work for me and I get a taste of everything they sell. In return I deal with their shit. It is like taking care of a bunch of teenagers. I earn my slice. It isn't easy. Pimping isn't easy either. It isn't that different than many forms of sales management.

[QUOTE=Don Mack;1727090]Trust and believe me we should be thanking the pimps for being the ones to put some of these young and fine "legal" tenders out here for alot of you to enjoy.[/QUOTE]I do just fine saving my thanks for the girls who work without a pimp. And before anyone tells me I'm probably already patronizing strippers who have pimps, yeah, I know that's possible. It's happened before. And just about every time I've found that to be the case, it's been a girl I had come to write off anyway for being too lame, impersonal, mercenary or all around disturbing to be with. To each his own.

I also believe that Follies management would do well to tell the pimps no thanks to taking up space in the club that could be used by customers buying lap dances instead of coming around to shake their hands. It seems to me that more money to the dancers and less taken from them would attract better dancers and bring more spending customers into the club. But what do I know? If it made sense, L1l Wayne would have rapped it by now.

[QUOTE=Curt828;1727477]Follies management would do well to tell the pimps no thanks to taking up space in the club that could be used by customers buying lap dances instead of coming around to shake their hands. It seems to me that more money to the dancers and less taken from them would attract better dancers and bring more spending customers into the club. .[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm missing something & I typically only hit Follies dayshift but I've never noticed a bunch of pimps in the club. I thought this discussion was about pimps that don't acutally sit in the club (hence the the discussion about what value or service they are adding).

[QUOTE=Steak 404;1727495]Maybe I'm missing something & I typically only hit Follies dayshift but I've never noticed a bunch of pimps in the club. I thought this discussion was about pimps that don't acutally sit in the club (hence the the discussion about what value or service they are adding).[/QUOTE]I only hit dayshift, too. Either the pimps have become more common or I've just learned to spot them better. Sometimes, it's hard to tell them from the drug dealers. LOL They usually hang out up by the pool table. But on some days they take up stools along a wall, a lower table, or just stand around the VIP, the bar, etc. Other strippers have pointed them out to me, and I've noticed a regular stream of "their girls" reporting to them. Of course, they never seem to buy any dances.

Does anyone know anything about the blonde bartender at the Doll House? I saw her there the other day around 2 pm. WOW she was pretty along with a smoking body. I wonder if she dances or has one on one sessions with customers.

[QUOTE=Steak 404;1727307]Not defending all business practices of "legit" pimps but agree. I'm in sales, business development, etc. Whatever you want to call it. I have grown men and women that work for me and I get a taste of everything they sell. In return I deal with their shit. It is like taking care of a bunch of teenagers. I earn my slice. It isn't easy. Pimping isn't easy either. It isn't that different than many forms of sales management.[/QUOTE]How often do you brutally sodomize your employees when they don't make enough money? This "Pimp" thread has probably run it's course. I am merely informing some of the guys about the one of the reasons that some of the girls are overly aggressive in the strip clubs these days. I won't debate on how you spin or relate pimping to being a a manager or CEO, but I think your analogy is off because of the brutality involved. You mentioned teenagers, those are prime targets for pimps. Strip clubs are easy targets because something happened for that girl to have to get naked and simulate and perform sex acts for 8 hour shifts everyday. Guys please don't take any of my comments as personal attacks, because they are not meant to cause a battle. By the way I still can't get my new 'FRIEND" at Shooters to have sex with me. I can't believe I have let myself be that guy!

I read the posts here about people who miss the hunt.

As someone who lives in a state where extras in the club are rarer than hen's teeth, I just want to say boo-fucking-hoo. If "want to fuck" replaced "want to dance" we wouldn't complain ever.

[QUOTE=Don Mack;1727090]Well growing up in Chicago the pimps I know weren't really con artist. They actually were the men in the women's lives. They were the managers, father figures, as well as the only ones who didn't judge them like society does. And juggling multiple women all with different personalities is like taking care of a bunch of prideful egotistical teenage girls. That's not as easy as you think. I've seen some of the top notch pimps to the wannabe low budget con artist that your talking about. Trust and believe me we should be thanking the pimps for being the ones to put some of these young and fine "legal" tenders out here for alot of you to enjoy. Now all pimps didn't learn proper game etiquette so there are just some useless leaches out there.[/QUOTE]This is funny. The only type of pimp I know is one who manipulates women for his own gain and doesn't give a shit about her or what happens to her. Managers? Father figures? Certainly not in the true sense. I doubt anyone on the southside of Chicago has a clue what the word father means.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1729334]This is funny. The only type of pimp I know is one who manipulates women for his own gain and doesn't give a shit about her or what happens to her. Managers? Father figures? Certainly not in the true sense. I doubt anyone on the southside of Chicago has a clue what the word father means.[/QUOTE]I'm going to take the high road and not fire back. I was just telling you what I seen growing up where I'm from. I most certainly said that "not all pimps were good ones". I'm ok with you not agreeing with what I said. But that last comment about the people who live in my city was slightly disrespectful. Then again its easy for people to grow balls to say such things behind a keyboard. I assume Dennis Hoff or the many escort agencies would not be considered pimps in your eyes huh LOL. Either way man I come in piece and I come to the board to discuss, share, and review women so I'll just stay on that road.

Me and ferocious1980 are hitting the streets tonight. He is determined to see KeeKee after he had the opportunity to the same night as me but passed. Now she's a trending topic.

[QUOTE=Don Mack; 1729557]I'm going to take the high road and not fire back. I was just telling you what I seen growing up where I'm from. I most certainly said that "not all pimps were good ones". I'm ok with you not agreeing with what I said. But that last comment about the people who live in my city was slightly disrespectful. Then again its easy for people to grow balls to say such things behind a keyboard. I assume Dennis Hoff or the many escort agencies would not be considered pimps in your eyes huh LOL. Either way man I come in piece and I come to the board to discuss, share, and review women so I'll just stay on that road.

Me and ferocious1980 are hitting the streets tonight. He is determined to see KeeKee after he had the opportunity to the same night as me but passed. Now she's a trending topic.[/QUOTE]That dude is a relic of the past and his kind are dying off fast and hopefully he is soon to follow. Nites true colors have been exposed long ago.

Thanks man. I already know what kind of guy he is, and I remember him getting exposed a few times, but I still try and give someone general respect. We're all in the same game but some people play differently I guess. I only come to the board for the women, but every now and then you get Internet thugs who need a DAMM hug. Truth be told, he is one of the main reason why there is a circle of trusted mongers, who just share within the circle and don't bother with the board. They have already warned me about him and his ways. Even still I still try to share chicks like KeeKee and Dominique from Cleveland ave because I know everybody is not like him. I believe that when your good to the game, the game will be good to you, which is why I contribute as much as I can and share for the benefit of other mongers. So his childish ways don't even bother me.

By the way, me and ferocious1980 hit the streets yesterday and it was a very interesting night. I look forward to seeing his post in the streetwalker section.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1729334]This is funny. The only type of pimp I know is one who manipulates women for his own gain and doesn't give a shit about her or what happens to her. Managers? Father figures? Certainly not in the true sense. I doubt anyone on the southside of Chicago has a clue what the word father means.[/QUOTE]Agree with the pimp part but I'm sure there are just as many who have a Clue on the southside of Chicago as any where else in the world.

[QUOTE=Don Mack; 1729557]I'm going to take the high road and not fire back. I was just telling you what I seen growing up where I'm from. I most certainly said that "not all pimps were good ones". I'm ok with you not agreeing with what I said. But that last comment about the people who live in my city was slightly disrespectful. Then again its easy for people to grow balls to say such things behind a keyboard. I assume Dennis Hoff or the many escort agencies would not be considered pimps in your eyes huh LOL. Either way man I come in piece and I come to the board to discuss, share, and review women so I'll just stay on that road.

Me and ferocious1980 are hitting the streets tonight. He is determined to see KeeKee after he had the opportunity to the same night as me but passed. Now she's a trending topic.[/QUOTE]Much respect for holding your tongue DM. A lot of cats on here get disrespectful to folks for no reason. Keep the info come pimpping.

As for this KeeKee chick, when is he going to post up in a notel so I can run up in that broad? LOL

[QUOTE=Jah Cool; 1729909]Much respect for holding your tongue DM. A lot of cats on here get disrespectful to folks for no reason. Keep the info come pimpping.

As for this KeeKee chick, when is he going to post up in a notel so I can run up in that broad? LOL[/QUOTE]Yeah Jah it's all good man. But as far as KeeKee goes, at times she is on FIB at random notels. Outside of that as of right now from my knowledge she can be found at the corner of Hobson and Mary on the corner house right behind Dewey street. Something tells me that I am going to regret putting that precise info on this board LOL.

smh

Stopped by the Dollhouse today around 3:30. They have a few girls I didn't recognize, but spent a satisfying half hour in VIP with Kitty. She has a great, down to earth attitude, is down for whatever, and is VERY responsive.

[QUOTE=Acaryu;1723350]Yes, Gold Club in the old days, but mostly for high rollers and sport personalities that could afford it. Not the 150 dollars deals you find in Follies. I get misty eyes over old time clubs that people go to see nice looking high class girls, and there were lots of people that went there to spend a few thousands each time. Now it is VIP 30 minutes, clean up, next customer, like an assembly wxxxxhxxxx. Now it is booty, azz, . Just different.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah. Ever been in the Gold Club when the Glock people where there? $$$$$ was no object!

[QUOTE=Khadre;1729886]Agree with the pimp part but I'm sure there are just as many who have a Clue on the southside of Chicago as any where else in the world.[/QUOTE]Probably so but my comments were taking way out of context. Some fellas go into the forum with a biased mindset. Thanks for the clarification.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;1732524]Probably so but my comments were taking way out of context. Some fellas go into the forum with a biased mindset. Thanks for the clarification.[/QUOTE]Nite your a funny guy LOL.

In other news regarding the discussion of women, some of you guys who have built great relationships with some of these strippers should pull some to the side about getting some extra money on the side. Can someone step up and host a party with a few chicks that are down with the game with great attitudes and for a reasonable price? I know people like to hold on to the good ones but dammit I've been sharing gems left and right (with the exception of Erica) and I'd like to sample some highly reccomended chicks. We got to start networking on this board and get a decent gathering flowing like once a month or every 2 months. If its a bad idea let me know LOL.