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New user on here. I used to use hx and just recently created a SA account. Is it normal to get flooded with messages in your inbox. I'm young so I thought maybe that was the reason? All girls I've talked to tell me they hate having to go with the old guys. Also, is $200-$300 a normal range on here? Just met a 19 yo white blonde girl who let me cum inside her. Paid WAY less than anything on Hx, $200 3 hrs. Going to a concert next week with her. Last question, are ppm better than making an actual arrangements? Is this even the right place to ask this. Well I'd appreciate any help, thanks.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4258405]Find out what she needs. As long as it comes to a $ or less per date you can't go too far off track.[/QUOTE]OK, HG, you got me geared up to try and save money. I was talking to a 19 yo slim Latina whose profile kept disappearing and re-appearing, but she kept DM'ing me. Finally got down to talking business and she said that she gets 300. I summoned a deep breath and inhaled the spirit of HG and counter-offered 150. She said that she "won't devalue herself" and blocked me.

I knew that wasn't going to work! And it felt like shit, too. .

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4258726]OK, HG, you got me geared up to try and save money. I was talking to a 19 yo slim Latina whose profile kept disappearing and re-appearing, but she kept DM'ing me. Finally got down to talking business and she said that she gets 300. I summoned a deep breath and inhaled the spirit of HG and counter-offered 150. She said that she "won't devalue herself" and blocked me.

I knew that wasn't going to work! And it felt like shit, too. .[/QUOTE]Funny, this must be catching.

Resigned up a few days ago, and decided to make lower offers. Previously always ran in the 300-400 range, never offered under 300.

Last few days I have consistently offered 250. So far, three have agreed 19/20/23 year olds, mix, Filipina, Russian. Several others still talking. I am actually traveling and probably one or more will drop out before I am back and able to meet. Main point though, is that my success rate so far at 250 is no worse, maybe better, than at 300-400!

I was doing 200-300 range before and mostly worked and I wanted to see them once or twice only.

Recently started offering monthly allowance of 800 meeting twice a week but in beginning allowance broken down in per meet to build confidence in each other but after second date gave them 2 benji in hand so it doesn't sound cheap ;-)

So far it is working and 3 are down.

Cost per date $.

As I mentioned in earlier report One single mother Latina, Second really hot 22 year Asian and mixed girl.

Its all about the chemistry. If the girl likes you she is going to take less. My x GF/SB was and is getting $$$-$$$$$ per date. Why did she only get a $ from me and then basically half of that? I guess she liked me (until she didn't). One thing about paying less, is you got to make up for it in other ways. Like BF stuff. Not everyone is into that for a variety of reasons. And the girls get a lot touchier about the small stuff when you don't pay much. But I have seen guys be total dicks and girls suck dicks they in no way were attracted to when the price is right.

So lots of variables, and to each his own. I have come to the conclusion over time that it's all good. I'm just a broke ass so I have to pay/play accordingly. I got just enough game to where if I target the right kind of girl I am going to get what I want for less. But in no way can I just cherry pick at a $... but if you can't get any girl you want for $$-$$$ then you either need to up your game (or you just stumbled into some crazy GPS girl). because there are plenty of very hot girls at that level to be had.

[QUOTE=Luckystonewood;4257081]And she is wearing a "Tilted Kilt" uniform. She looks good in it![/QUOTE]Looks like she got off the fence. She says she will make the 3 hour RT drive to see me tomorrow afternoon. Also, she locked down her seeking profile (put all her pics in private mode). Lots of hot txting, but I always keep that to the bare minimum. I hate spoiling the mystery. Just enough to make sure we like a few of the same things, so we can get straight to it when she walks in the door.

And just an FYI to the new guys. Friday is probably the worst day to expect a PYT to respond to you. These girls like to party (most of them) and hang with their friends on a fri or sat nite. Once you know them, a lot of times they will date you earlier in the evening so they can go out afterwards with their friends.

I read on here a lot but I'm not a huge contributor and I've been feeling guilty so I am going layout an SA strategy that I tend to use that works for me.

Old Strategy: A few years back I wasn't making as good of money so I would actually try to hookup with girls by investing the time upfront and just putting in the time. I would talk to a bunch of girls and at a certain point on a weekday I would say something like:

"Hey I am really busy with work this coming weekend so I can take you out for drinks and stuff NEXT weekend OR if you just want to come hangout for a bit and get to know each other, maybe order some postmates you can just come by and hang. BUT like I said if you want to just wait until next weekend, we can do this right and go out. ".

Nobody ever picked let's go out next weekend. They always were like "Oh ya that sounds cool" and I think that it took some guilt away because I didn't treat them poorly and THEY actually decided to come over, they picked that. So then I felt like when they came over. It was almost like an audition because I set the expectation that our real meeting was the following weekend, this sort of doesn't count. Of course 1 out of 10 I lost control because the girl was too hot and she asked for $300 and just gave me a below average BJ. For the most part it was a good way to keep young girls coming over giving myself constant at bats.

My New Strategy: I am doing better now financially so I just favorite all the girls that are my style (Big tits) LOL. I send a simple first message just to get a response. If I get a response I know it's going to usually be easy BUT like you guys have talked about. I stay away from Asians. I love them but they are too expensive here, you can get beautiful asians in Koreatown or Costa Mesa for $250 all day long so I don't even bother on SA. If I get an initial response I say:

"Hey my name is _ and I am wondering are you actually trying to get to know a guy, build rapport, and eventually hangout? OR are you just trying to get some Sugar asap? LOL. Either way is all good and I'm not judging, I just didn't want to bore you while you're just thinking I should cut to the chase. ".

I don't care what they answer. I will play to their answer and go from there. Even if a girl says option A. I just say "I totally get you, I heard guys can be a little aggressive on here and I am trying to build rapport too. Blah blah".

If it is Option B I assume they are pretty strapped for cash so I always start pretty low depending on how hot they are. And I always explain "How are am I going to throw out a high number when I have no idea if you're even good at what I like" its obvious where that convo gos from there.

1. Asians are expensive.

2. Pick up clues from their settings in the background of photos. You know what expensive bedding looks like or what cheap old bedding looks like, what a nice bathroom sink looks like, etc. If they are lower middle class you know what $150 means to them as opposed to an asian chick who attends UCLA.

3. I am actually respectful to them all, I don't ever say I am going to do something and then don't.

4. Once I see them once for fun I almost always wait for them to call me. They all reach out close to the 1st of the month when rent is due OR just before they are going to go to Coachella or leave town and need some spending money. If they are reaching out to me then I am keeping the offer low because these girls for the most part do this when they need it.

There is 1 Vietnamese / Mexican mix 20 year old with huge natural tits that occasionally I give way too much money to, but she dresses up and I video record her and it is my favorite. I never have had leverage over her because she was on the site for a couple days (we exchanged snapchat info during those few days of her trying out the site) and she said she changed her mind that she couldn't do that site, I stayed in it and just kept being cool and telling her "Hey if you ever are in a situation where you feel you need to go back on that site just give me a call and I will help you out. " took 4 months but I got the call. So although I have my strategies there has been girls on there that have had the upper hand on me too LOL.

[QUOTE=MrlbFun;4260108]I read on here a lot but I'm not a huge contributor and I've been feeling guilty.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your post, I am sure there some other guys out there that could share some valuable insights / experiences / techniques as well.

[URL]http://www.fox5ny.com/good-day/-sugar-baby-describes-arrangements-with-men[/URL]

Will these types of interviews and news articles eventually lead to wider social acceptance of arrangements?

Let me first talk about price. I'm just an average guy making average money, but don't have a lot of expenses and don't really spend money except on pussy. I like to think I don't over pay, but to some what I pay may seem like a bit. Usually I'll pay between 40-140 for a BJ and 250 for sex. To some 140 might seem like a lot but for what I get and in comparison to other areas for the same service I think it's a good deal. Maybe I shouldn't say good deal as it's still a bit high.

For me I've noticed girls asking 100 to 200 for head. I've only done 140 with girls that are non rushed, making out, fingering and who let me record. I actually have a decent collection of BJ videos from girls I've met.

Now let's compare to other providers:(note I haven't partaken in other areas in awhile).

Sws: 40-60 for head and 60-100+ for sex. This is a girl you pick up off the street who most likely has had multiple partners that day. Semi clean. Most likely offers CBJ and of course covered FS. If course would you even want to go raw with an SW? Also service is usually rushed and in your car.

MPs: 40-50 entry fee, 40-60 HJ, 60-100 BJ, 80-120+ for FS. Usually rushed, totally covered, never know how attractive the girl will be.

BP and other services: BJ? Not sure never used BP for only a BJ. FS about 80-120.

With the above prices and services I can totally justify paying what I pay for girls I've met on SA.

My approach is kind of different and is definitely a reason I've been banned multiple times LOL. I honestly treat SA like BP. I kinda do it backwards a majority of the time. I'm relatively straightforward that I'm looking for discreet adult fun. If we can agree that we both want the same thing, I'll then change gears and start spending effort to get to know them and vice versa. Although there are times when I do the opposite and take my time to get to know them first. A lot of my approach is due to me being impulsive at times and wanting it now.

[QUOTE=JohnRichard;4260479][URL]http://www.fox5ny.com/good-day/-sugar-baby-describes-arrangements-with-men[/URL]

Will these types of interviews and news articles eventually lead to wider social acceptance of arrangements?[/QUOTE]I think in the distant past they were just called mistresses (if the guy was married). Or girls would say "I have a rich BF". Meaning they were getting paid.

[QUOTE=JohnRichard;4260479][URL]http://www.fox5ny.com/good-day/-sugar-baby-describes-arrangements-with-men[/URL]

Will these types of interviews and news articles eventually lead to wider social acceptance of arrangements?[/QUOTE]This sort of media attention is not good. Alerts and sensitises wives as to what is going on.

The attached graphic does not tell us anything we don't already know, or suspect. The difference being that this is the result of an actual survey. White men and Asian women are the runaway favorites in their respective categories.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;4260854]The attached graphic does not tell us anything we don't already know, or suspect. The difference being that this is the result of an actual survey. White men and Asian women are the runaway favorites in their respective categories.[/QUOTE]This makes it some much easier for guys like me that love AA girls. These dudes don't know what they"re missing. LOL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4256771]I really hope this one says yes. She is on the fence. Says she is not a hooker... just looking to get naughty. mid twenties mixed asain girl[/QUOTE]So this on the fence girl made the 90 minute drive to my house today. And I am so glad she did. She turned out to be a mixed / light skinned black girl. Not exactly my type physically, as I tend to the tiny hard bodied chocolate girls, but an amazing personality. College grad with a good job, smart and funny. We had a good first date in the FC, and I will most def be seeing her again this week. She has her own place so I am going to drive there late one night. She was far from a novice, but at 23 still just young enough to be in the game. She told be her first SD was the father of one of her HS friends when she was 18 and still a senior. My x SB/GF told me a similar story about fucking one of her friends dads a couple of months ago. I never did that, and way too old to have the opportunity now. But these guys got game.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4260919]This makes it some much easier for guys like me that love AA girls. These dudes don't know what they"re missing. LOL.[/QUOTE]The graph has an interesting result relative to your preferences. It says that black women are the only ones not to favor white men.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;4261080]The graph has an interesting result relative to your preferences. It says that black women are the only ones not to favor white men.[/QUOTE]I think in general AA women like AA men, but this is L. A. The number of hot AA girls wanting older white guys is basically unlimited (for me anyway).

Had me a first timer last night, stayed the night, more in the morning, wettttest ever. . . So so so lovely.

It's just the best when there is never any discussion about it until they get home and realize there's a gift in their purse.

The epitome of sugar dating!

[QUOTE=RanManCan;4261597]Had me a first timer last night, stayed the night, more in the morning, wettttest ever. . . So so so lovely.

It's just the best when there is never any discussion about it until they get home and realize there's a gift in their purse.

The epitome of sugar dating![/QUOTE]Where are the pics? LOL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4261612]Where are the pics? LOL.[/QUOTE]I don't think I'll be posting many pics.

I'm confident that in the future, reverse-image search will work on cropped, reversed, and altered pics. . . Which will lead back to the original lady. Not something I care to do to them. This chic is a professional with a high-class job, but even if she weren't.

[QUOTE=RanManCan;4261614]I don't think I'll be posting many pics.

I'm confident that in the future, reverse-image search will work on cropped, reversed, and altered pics. . . Which will lead back to the original lady. Not something I care to do to them. This chic is a professional with a high-class job, but even if she weren't.[/QUOTE]No pics, but. . . I'll give you some juicy details. . .

23 y educated white / middle eastern mix, pretty, thin, great ass (I don't do even a little chunky or thick).

Met at a decent restaurant, I don't normally do this but knew that's what would be required with this one, and I suspected she might be new.

During dinner she discloses it's her first sugar date. While intrigued, at that point I was not really expecting to go the distance same night.

Back to my place for drinks, then I know it's on, or at least pretty sure.

Hit the FC, go down on her, she smells perfect (any negative odor is huge pet peeve of mine, see previous posts).

Do the deed, suuuper weet (wettest ever in my life, seriously) release all my love within, no cover.

She snuggles up to me and we fall asleep.

Wake up early, gives me a top notch ball licking / BJ combo, nearly had me there (she could have if I let it happen).

She rides me for a bit, so wet I can barely stay in.

Finish inside again, simultaneous orgasm!

Coffee, she tells me IUD (should have asked before, but didn't, would have offered / gently insisted on morning after pill).

I slip gift in her purse.

She gets her own uber home (I hate paying for uber, so I'm very happy about this!

Once home, she texts me to thank me for sneaking the gift in her purse.

That is perfect Girl Friend Experience, no hooker can even come close.

[QUOTE=RanManCan;4261614]I don't think I'll be posting many pics.

I'm confident that in the future, reverse-image search will work on cropped, reversed, and altered pics. . . Which will lead back to the original lady. Not something I care to do to them. This chic is a professional with a high-class job, but even if she weren't.[/QUOTE]Thats why you need to take your own. So there is only one that is not traceable. Not posted anywhere.

[QUOTE=RanManCan;4261658]No pics, but. . . I'll give you some juicy details. . .

23 y educated white / middle eastern mix, pretty, thin, great ass (I don't do even a little chunky or thick).

Met at a decent restaurant, I don't normally do this but knew that's what would be required with this one, and I suspected she might be new.

During dinner she discloses it's her first sugar date. While intrigued, at that point I was not really expecting to go the distance same night.

Back to my place for drinks, then I know it's on, or at least pretty sure.

Hit the FC, go down on her, she smells perfect (any negative odor is huge pet peeve of mine, see previous posts).

Do the deed, suuuper weet (wettest ever in my life, seriously) release all my love within, no cover.

She snuggles up to me and we fall asleep.

Wake up early, gives me a top notch ball licking / BJ combo, nearly had me there (she could have if I let it happen).

She rides me for a bit, so wet I can barely stay in.

Finish inside again, simultaneous orgasm!

Coffee, she tells me IUD (should have asked before, but didn't, would have offered / gently insisted on morning after pill).

I slip gift in her purse.

She gets her own uber home (I hate paying for uber, so I'm very happy about this!

Once home, she texts me to thank me for sneaking the gift in her purse.

That is perfect Girl Friend Experience, no hooker can even come close.[/QUOTE]Awesome report. And to all the doubting Thomas's that read this thread. This shit happens. Not every time & not all the time. But even an experienced SB (like the one I did yesterday) is a far cry from a seasoned pro, AMP girl, SW, whatever. This game is not for everyone for a variety of reasons, but if you have the time, the resources, and can delay the need for instant gratification (sometimes by only a few hours), but usually a few days to a week or two. Then you might want to give it a try.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4261717]Thats why you need to take your own. So there is only one that is not traceable. Not posted anywhere.[/QUOTE]Thats a great idea, I'll see what I can do for you HG. I'm sure I'll be seeing her again soon.

Now that I think of it, I've never asked to take pics. . . Any pointers on how to do it without making them uncomfortable?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4261724]Awesome report. And to all the doubting Thomas's that read this thread. This shit happens. Not every time & not all the time. But even an experienced SB (like the one I did yesterday) is a far cry from a seasoned pro, AMP girl, SW, whatever. This game is not for everyone for a variety of reasons, but if you have the time, the resources, and can delay the need for instant gratification (sometimes by only a few hours), but usually a few days to a week or two. Then you might want to give it a try.[/QUOTE]True.

SA is god sent for guys like me who don't even belong and come in that graph that was posted about ethnicity.

Most of these girls won't even do second glance at us in street or bar.

My idea is to try all color, race and body types before meeting my creator and thanking him for lovely life on mother earth).

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4260919]This makes it some much easier for guys like me that love AA girls. These dudes don't know what they"re missing. LOL.[/QUOTE]I agree, most of my SB's have been African American and they have been fantastic. The others have all been Latina. With I think two Caucasian women.

[QUOTE=LargeEss;4262017]I agree, most of my SB's have been African American and they have been fantastic. The others have all been Latina. With I think two Caucasian women.[/QUOTE]For me majority Latina. 3 black girls, 1 Asian.

[QUOTE=RanManCan;4261748]Thats a great idea, I'll see what I can do for you HG. I'm sure I'll be seeing her again soon.

Now that I think of it, I've never asked to take pics. . . Any pointers on how to do it without making them uncomfortable?[/QUOTE]Most girls love to have their pic taken. Selfies anyone? Just tell her how smoking hot she looks, if she act nervous, just say you will only photo her body and leave her head out of the pic. Or that you need something sexy to look at in between dates because you just can't stop thinking about her. or something to jerk off to when she is not around. You get the idea

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4262266]Most girls love to have their pic taken. Selfies anyone? Just tell her how smoking hot she looks, if she act nervous, just say you will only photo her body and leave her head out of the pic. Or that you need something sexy to look at in between dates because you just can't stop thinking about her. or something to jerk off to when she is not around. You get the idea[/QUOTE]That's what I tell them and it's the truth. When I rewatch the BJ videos I made with them out makes me want to see them again.

To meet up with my SBs, somewhere quiet in OC, anyone interested? You can see your sb there too. We can coordinate LOL. Maybe a month of debauchery?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4260931]So this on the fence girl made the 90 minute drive to my house today. And I am so glad she did. She turned out to be a mixed / light skinned black girl. Not exactly my type physically, as I tend to the tiny hard bodied chocolate girls, but an amazing personality. College grad with a good job, smart and funny. We had a good first date in the FC, and I will most def be seeing her again this week. She has her own place so I am going to drive there late one night. She was far from a novice, but at 23 still just young enough to be in the game. [/QUOTE]So the on the fence girl didn't return my txt's for 2 days. And I see she took down her profile. So I txted her and said "hey, if you are ditching me, just say so". She txted me back and said she was done with SA, that she was a straight shooter and not to over think things. So I guess I will just wait for her to get back to me. But these girls come and go very fast sometimes. I can't tell you how many I did once and then they vanished into thin air.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;4260852]This sort of media attention is not good. Alerts and sensitises wives as to what is going on.[/QUOTE]And of course LEO will want to get in on the act. Never one to not fuck up a good thing. I have had good luck on SA but now I have to figure out how to get past being banned LOL.

[QUOTE=RanManCan;4261748]Thats a great idea, I'll see what I can do for you HG. I'm sure I'll be seeing her again soon.

Now that I think of it, I've never asked to take pics. . . Any pointers on how to do it without making them uncomfortable?[/QUOTE]I just bring a camera like it's the most natural thing in the world. If the girl feels uncomfortable with pictures being taken let them know you erase it (never happened yet). Tell them they are beautiful; the light shows off their whatever.

And that the secrete of good photographs is to take lots of pictures and to delete the bad ones. Of course you keep 'them all.

Had one today. Average looking. She is at the top of who has viewed me, at the top of who has favorited me and is the top message telling me how good she is with her tongue. Next.

I'd like to hear what are some of your best and worst experiences. Please share people.

[QUOTE=TheHuntsman;4265467]I'd like to hear what are some of your best and worst experiences. Please share people.[/QUOTE]Too many bests to list here. The worst? Stopped by LEO and questioned for 30+ minutes before they finally let me leave (then they took the girl back to her parents who thought she was a runaway or worse). That was the last time I made a date with a girl sneaking out of her bedroom window at 2 a.m.

Is it down for anyone else? As of 820 am.

[QUOTE=TheHuntsman;4265467]I'd like to hear what are some of your best and worst experiences. Please share people.[/QUOTE]I met this black gal on SA. She had me send an uber to what she said was her parents house and that she was 19 and had never done this before. She said she wanted to do a date first and like most normal girls, she would uber to my place for the date. Sounded like a non pro to me. She came over and she asked for $ for the meeting and a little more for an FC trip. I was like OK. She told me all about how she is majoring in math at UCLA and has never done this before and that she is in the third quarter of linear calculus and it is really hard, but she wants to double major in communications as well. After a while, she started sucking my dick. She said she had never done this before and could I take care of her a little more. It was good so I did. We then did the FC thing, and her phone kept going off. She stopped to take some of the calls, and said it was her parents and her math professor wanting to know when she would be on the road for her next date, er she said for homework and helping with chores.

Anyhow, the next day I saw an ad for her on cityxguide.

I guess she might not have been a non pro.

[QUOTE=MidnightDabber;4262564]To meet up with my SBs, somewhere quiet in OC, anyone interested? You can see your sb there too. We can coordinate LOL. Maybe a month of debauchery?[/QUOTE]Why not rent one of the monger's garages.