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[QUOTE=BassCat;6377459]Give me the chicken head face picking 80 pound girl whos talking to shadow people while I move her around the bed trying out all her holes.[/QUOTE]I really hate that some of my best visits usually include a bunch of these details. Just usually, you can tell how good they used to look before they got into their fix. I tried setting up with Khandi, but she was too busy gambling to both seeing me for the day. It was hours later when I got the "I'm home and ready now" message, but I was long past the idea on that visit. I can appreciate the honesty, but I would figure making more dosh the guaranteed way would seem more appealing. Maybe just me.

Anyway, it's been months since this one surfaced, but has no one still seen her? The fact that she knows dirty red means she at least exists. There isn't much variety locally (well, that I can trust to visit) so I'm going to keep pressing the question, as the body in those pictures is rocking. I just need someone to risk it all trying to visit her before I do LOL.

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[QUOTE=SlightlyBright;6378728]I really hate that some of my best visits usually include a bunch of these details. Just usually, you can tell how good they used to look before they got into their fix. I tried setting up with Khandi, but she was too busy gambling to both seeing me for the day. It was hours later when I got the "I'm home and ready now" message, but I was long past the idea on that visit. I can appreciate the honesty, but I would figure making more dosh the guaranteed way would seem more appealing. Maybe just me.

Anyway, it's been months since this one surfaced, but has no one still seen her? The fact that she knows dirty red means she at least exists. There isn't much variety locally (well, that I can trust to visit) so I'm going to keep pressing the question, as the body in those pictures is rocking. I just need someone to risk it all trying to visit her before I do LOL.

[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/biloxi/female-escorts/caucasian_w/read-ad-porn-star-ex/597362401327[/URL][/QUOTE]I have never seen her but am told she is legit and the pics are recent the only issue is GPS. They say her rates are high as giraffe pussy. That makes her a hard pass for me. Actually I will actively campaign that nobody ever pay her insane rates in hopes that it causes her to be reasonable and lower them.

[QUOTE=BassCat;6378428]Deez I have commented on this girl a half dozen times. She is legit she looks better than her pics in person the service is what you expect from a stg girl nothing special but she is way hotter than any girl posting on stg especially right now. I can't out and out say what hotel she is in but I have posted where her general location is. She has a room everyday lately and that makes her way easier to hook up with but keep in mind she is actually the girl in the pics so she is in high demand. If you want to see her offer her more money. The more money your willing to spend the better your chances of getting her to respond if your some late to the game dawg who starts blowing her phone up 2 years late thinking she should move you ahead of the guys who have been seeing her since she started or the guys giving her 500 an hr or more. She fucks for the 125 but she always takes the big money calls first and I don't blame her.

She can be hard to link up with for many reasons one she has 200 dudes calling her everyday so she doesn't have to have your money there are literally hundreds of dudes waiting to see her. Two she has guys willing to pay big cash to see her so she can ghost broke fucks like me. Three she has tons of repeats so she doesn't have to see new guys. Its way easier to get with her once she has sees you and has you in her phone and knows your a good trick and not some creep or le.

I am tired of seeing her asked about over and over again when I have repeatedly said she was legit and looks better than her pics. Its like people don't read my post. I never review girls I see until I am done seeing them. The only reason I even talk about her is other dudes reviewed her before so the cat is out the bag now.[/QUOTE]I know she's legit from you post my question is about her incall. Some of these places I've been to I've been mostly worried about my whips than busting a nut hence the question is her in call in a safe location? I don't need to know exactly were but if she's at some dump off beach blvd or some sketchy exit 50 place I want to know before hand and if her place is clean bc I don't see girls in dirty places.

I think that's disgusting.

[QUOTE=DeezNutz0000;6379178]I know she's legit from you post my question is about her incall. Some of these places I've been to I've been mostly worried about my whips than busting a nut hence the question is her in call in a safe location? I don't need to know exactly were but if she's at some dump off beach blvd or some sketchy exit 50 place I want to know before hand and if her place is clean bc I don't see girls in dirty places.

I think that's disgusting.[/QUOTE]It's a good question to ask. I've seen providers in locations I would barely even trust a used unicycle to last long in, because the tire has value still. If a place is even slightly seedy, I minimize the time I'm there. I once had a person run up to my car before I even fully parked it in the lot. Texted the provider good luck and a goodbye as I wasn't coming back, and that was in broad daylight. When I tried seeing the asian chick, the place had an off feel, and it was a motel, but it wasn't the worst. More of the type of place you make sure your car looks empty so to not give a reason for it to be emptied. That was at night though, and all motels look worse at night, so that's just my input.

[QUOTE=SlightlyBright;6379452]It's a good question to ask. I've seen providers in locations I would barely even trust a used unicycle to last long in, because the tire has value still. If a place is even slightly seedy, I minimize the time I'm there. I once had a person run up to my car before I even fully parked it in the lot. Texted the provider good luck and a goodbye as I wasn't coming back, and that was in broad daylight. When I tried seeing the asian chick, the place had an off feel, and it was a motel, but it wasn't the worst. More of the type of place you make sure your car looks empty so to not give a reason for it to be emptied. That was at night though, and all motels look worse at night, so that's just my input.[/QUOTE]I think I must have had a way different experience in the hobby than most of you guys. See to me its just common sense that any woman who sells ass is going to be at the very least a little sketchy. Most that is the vast majority will be extremely sketchy. I never met a little girl who wanted to grow up and be a hooker. All the hookers I have met (its been a few) for the most part became hookers due to a few sets of circumstances. I will list the usual steps that cause a girl to end up with her pics on stg.

Most have a combination of these things happen in their lives that cause them to resort to letting guys like us fuck them for what equates to change.

A lot of them had really shitty childhoods were talking poverty shity / no parents unbelievable amounts of physical and mental abuse tons of men abusing them from their actual family members uncles brothers cousins to random men throughout their lives (here is a crazy thought you are actually adding your name to the list when you see them).

Most start taking things to help them cope with the shity lives they have and those things cost money and if you don't have the money to buy it then you get really sick. Unless you have actually been one of those people who get sick you will never understand how bad it is. It will literally make you say I will do anything to get well even suck a old fat strangers dick but at least their daddy taught them how to do that so at least they have that going for them.

Many I would say at least two thirds probably more also use their body to support another person they share their shity existence with. Its usually a dude and he was in the room right before you got there. Its his nut your cleaning off her when you put your mouth all over her body. Well his and every other dboy and hanger on these girls tend to attract. If they get lucky the dude even though a parasite and just as hopeless as she is (usually worse) actually cares about the girl a little. Most don't but I have met a couple that do and those girls lives are a little less shitty. Well not really that much they are still letting nasty dudes like us show up and use them even though we make their skin crawl.

Those are pretty much the steps to how a girl ends up on stg. If you expect to pull up at the four seasons and walk into a nice room with a freshly showered hottie who is stone cold sober mentally stable and doing this because she loves the job then you and I can not relate.

Even the clean hookers who overcharge and use the high end hobby boards to find clientele are severely damaged women for the most part. Most of you have daughters I'm sure or at least nieces can you seriously sit there and think that they could grow up and find themselves wanting to live the kind of life any of these girls do?

So what I am trying to say is temper your expectations. These women are at the extreme bottom of society. They literally have to sell the most intimate parts of their bodies to strangers just to survive. A girl that has to do that is probably not going to have a great hotel. She is probably going to be a little less clean. She will probably be on something that makes her look a little run down so expect lots of soars and bruises. These women also attract the lowest class of people who hang onto them because at least these girls generate lots of cash. So chances are there will be dudes that are shady af hanging on the rail of the crappy ass hotel she lives in. Sure they might see you and think you are weak af and think lets target him or nice ride lets see what's in it because his ***** ass can't do shit.

Maybe I just have been seeing different girls than the rest of you because this is just common sense stuff to me. I wish you guys would send me the contact info for these super clean sober ladies you see from stg that have clean rooms and you don't have to be extra aware when you go visit them.

Guys just ignore my post I don't know fuck all about how things really work and have never seen any of the ladies who work the coast. I just come here to gather intel in hopes of finding a hot christian virgin I can marry and start a family with. I can give you my cashapp and you can donate to our wedding party its going to be at the red roof on 49.

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[QUOTE=BassCat;6379530]I think I must have had a way different experience in the hobby than most of you guys. See to me its just common sense that any woman who sells ass is going to be at the very least a little sketchy. Most that is the vast majority will be extremely sketchy. I never met a little girl who wanted to grow up and be a hooker. All the hookers I have met (its been a few) for the most part became hookers due to a few sets of circumstances. I will list the usual steps that cause a girl to end up with her pics on stg.

Most have a combination of these things happen in their lives that cause them to resort to letting guys like us fuck them for what equates to change.

A lot of them had really shitty childhoods were talking poverty shity / no parents unbelievable amounts of physical and mental abuse tons of men abusing them from their actual family members uncles brothers cousins to random men throughout their lives (here is a crazy thought you are actually adding your name to the list when you see them).

Most start taking things to help them cope with the shity lives they have and those things cost money and if you don't have the money to buy it then you get really sick. Unless you have actually been one of those people who get sick you will never understand how bad it is. It will literally make you say I will do anything to get well even suck a old fat strangers dick but at least their daddy taught them how to do that so at least they have that going for them.

Many I would say at least two thirds probably more also use their body to support another person they share their shity existence with. Its usually a dude and he was in the room right before you got there. Its his nut your cleaning off her when you put your mouth all over her body. Well his and every other dboy and hanger on these girls tend to attract. If they get lucky the dude even though a parasite and just as hopeless as she is (usually worse) actually cares about the girl a little. Most don't but I have met a couple that do and those girls lives are a little less shitty. Well not really that much they are still letting nasty dudes like us show up and use them even though we make their skin crawl.

Those are pretty much the steps to how a girl ends up on stg. If you expect to pull up at the four seasons and walk into a nice room with a freshly showered hottie who is stone cold sober mentally stable and doing this because she loves the job then you and I can not relate.

Even the clean hookers who overcharge and use the high end hobby boards to find clientele are severely damaged women for the most part. Most of you have daughters I'm sure or at least nieces can you seriously sit there and think that they could grow up and find themselves wanting to live the kind of life any of these girls do?

So what I am trying to say is temper your expectations. These women are at the extreme bottom of society. They literally have to sell the most intimate parts of their bodies to strangers just to survive. A girl that has to do that is probably not going to have a great hotel. She is probably going to be a little less clean. She will probably be on something that makes her look a little run down so expect lots of soars and bruises. These women also attract the lowest class of people who hang onto them because at least these girls generate lots of cash. So chances are there will be dudes that are shady af hanging on the rail of the crappy ass hotel she lives in. Sure they might see you and think you are weak af and think lets target him or nice ride lets see what's in it because his ***** ass can't do shit.

Maybe I just have been seeing different girls than the rest of you because this is just common sense stuff to me. I wish you guys would send me the contact info for these super clean sober ladies you see from stg that have clean rooms and you don't have to be extra aware when you go visit them.

Guys just ignore my post I don't know fuck all about how things really work and have never seen any of the ladies who work the coast. I just come here to gather intel in hopes of finding a hot christian virgin I can marry and start a family with. I can give you my cashapp and you can donate to our wedding party its going to be at the red roof on 49.[/QUOTE]I'm right there with you BC; If I could have all the money back for sketchy and filthy places my dick has led me to compared to the nice / clean ones I would be a rich man. Hell, I would have to shower most of the time not from the girl but from the room and bed; The smell of cigarettes, jizz and weed just sticking to you when you leave. I don't know what I was thinking but I even ended up at some sketchy little motel in the Ninth Ward of New Orleans one night, I was relieved as hell to get out of there.

The way I see it, the guys that are hanging around the motels know what you are there for and if they are associated with any girl working at the motel, they're not going to mess with their income stream. If there is a problem I like to think that's what this thread is for to let us know which girls have those guys hanging around them.

[QUOTE=BassCat;6379530]I think I must have had a way different experience in the hobby than most of you guys. See to me its just common sense that any woman who sells ass is going to be at the very least a little sketchy. Most that is the vast majority will be extremely sketchy. I never met a little girl who wanted to grow up and be a hooker. All the hookers I have met (its been a few) for the most part became hookers due to a few sets of circumstances. I will list the usual steps that cause a girl to end up with her pics on stg.

Most have a combination of these things happen in their lives that cause them to resort to letting guys like us fuck them for what equates to change.

A lot of them had really shitty childhoods were talking poverty shity / no parents unbelievable amounts of physical and mental abuse tons of men abusing them from their actual family members uncles brothers cousins to random men throughout their lives (here is a crazy thought you are actually adding your name to the list when you see them).

Most start taking things to help them cope with the shity lives they have and those things cost money and if you don't have the money to buy it then you get really sick. Unless you have actually been one of those people who get sick you will never understand how bad it is. It will literally make you say I will do anything to get well even suck a old fat strangers dick but at least their daddy taught them how to do that so at least they have that going for them.

Many I would say at least two thirds probably more also use their body to support another person they share their shity existence with. Its usually a dude and he was in the room right before you got there. Its his nut your cleaning off her when you put your mouth all over her body. Well his and every other dboy and hanger on these girls tend to attract. If they get lucky the dude even though a parasite and just as hopeless as she is (usually worse) actually cares about the girl a little. Most don't but I have met a couple that do and those girls lives are a little less shitty. Well not really that much they are still letting nasty dudes like us show up and use them even though we make their skin crawl.

Those are pretty much the steps to how a girl ends up on stg. If you expect to pull up at the four seasons and walk into a nice room with a freshly showered hottie who is stone cold sober mentally stable and doing this because she loves the job then you and I can not relate.

Even the clean hookers who overcharge and use the high end hobby boards to find clientele are severely damaged women for the most part. Most of you have daughters I'm sure or at least nieces can you seriously sit there and think that they could grow up and find themselves wanting to live the kind of life any of these girls do?

So what I am trying to say is temper your expectations. These women are at the extreme bottom of society. They literally have to sell the most intimate parts of their bodies to strangers just to survive. A girl that has to do that is probably not going to have a great hotel. She is probably going to be a little less clean. She will probably be on something that makes her look a little run down so expect lots of soars and bruises. These women also attract the lowest class of people who hang onto them because at least these girls generate lots of cash. So chances are there will be dudes that are shady af hanging on the rail of the crappy ass hotel she lives in. Sure they might see you and think you are weak af and think lets target him or nice ride lets see what's in it because his ***** ass can't do shit.

Maybe I just have been seeing different girls than the rest of you because this is just common sense stuff to me. I wish you guys would send me the contact info for these super clean sober ladies you see from stg that have clean rooms and you don't have to be extra aware when you go visit them.

Guys just ignore my post I don't know fuck all about how things really work and have never seen any of the ladies who work the coast. I just come here to gather intel in hopes of finding a hot christian virgin I can marry and start a family with. I can give you my cashapp and you can donate to our wedding party its going to be at the red roof on 49.[/QUOTE]

I guess I'm spoiled af then. When I started out in the game most of the gals I'd see would be off casino row, its very few gals who's homes I've been to and I've only been to a no tell motel a few times. I know that golden age of gals being at a nice joint on casino row is over but I'll pass if she's somewhere sketchy. I only hunt poon at night and the last thing I need is to get robbed or rolled in the hood. Also bro don't take offense to this but your post are on average long af. I appreciate your tips and experience but I don't want to read a book. In any case I'll be going into hibernation mode from the hobby for a while. See y'all Dawgs in a little bit. Again BC I appreciate your info ✌️

[QUOTE=BassCat;6379530]I think I must have had a way different experience in the hobby than most of you guys. See to me its just common sense that any woman who sells ass is going to be at the very least a little sketchy. Most that is the vast majority will be extremely sketchy. I never met a little girl who wanted to grow up and be a hooker. All the hookers I have met (its been a few) for the most part became hookers due to a few sets of circumstances. I will list the usual steps that cause a girl to end up with her pics on stg.

Most have a combination of these things happen in their lives that cause them to resort to letting guys like us fuck them for what equates to change.

A lot of them had really shitty childhoods were talking poverty shity / no parents unbelievable amounts of physical and mental abuse tons of men abusing them from their actual family members uncles brothers cousins to random men throughout their lives (here is a crazy thought you are actually adding your name to the list when you see them).

Most start taking things to help them cope with the shity lives they have and those things cost money and if you don't have the money to buy it then you get really sick. Unless you have actually been one of those people who get sick you will never understand how bad it is. It will literally make you say I will do anything to get well even suck a old fat strangers dick but at least their daddy taught them how to do that so at least they have that going for them.

Many I would say at least two thirds probably more also use their body to support another person they share their shity existence with. Its usually a dude and he was in the room right before you got there. Its his nut your cleaning off her when you put your mouth all over her body. Well his and every other dboy and hanger on these girls tend to attract. If they get lucky the dude even though a parasite and just as hopeless as she is (usually worse) actually cares about the girl a little. Most don't but I have met a couple that do and those girls lives are a little less shitty. Well not really that much they are still letting nasty dudes like us show up and use them even though we make their skin crawl.

Those are pretty much the steps to how a girl ends up on stg. If you expect to pull up at the four seasons and walk into a nice room with a freshly showered hottie who is stone cold sober mentally stable and doing this because she loves the job then you and I can not relate.

Even the clean hookers who overcharge and use the high end hobby boards to find clientele are severely damaged women for the most part. Most of you have daughters I'm sure or at least nieces can you seriously sit there and think that they could grow up and find themselves wanting to live the kind of life any of these girls do?

So what I am trying to say is temper your expectations. These women are at the extreme bottom of society. They literally have to sell the most intimate parts of their bodies to strangers just to survive. A girl that has to do that is probably not going to have a great hotel. She is probably going to be a little less clean. She will probably be on something that makes her look a little run down so expect lots of soars and bruises. These women also attract the lowest class of people who hang onto them because at least these girls generate lots of cash. So chances are there will be dudes that are shady af hanging on the rail of the crappy ass hotel she lives in. Sure they might see you and think you are weak af and think lets target him or nice ride lets see what's in it because his ***** ass can't do shit.

Maybe I just have been seeing different girls than the rest of you because this is just common sense stuff to me. I wish you guys would send me the contact info for these super clean sober ladies you see from stg that have clean rooms and you don't have to be extra aware when you go visit them.

Guys just ignore my post I don't know fuck all about how things really work and have never seen any of the ladies who work the coast. I just come here to gather intel in hopes of finding a hot christian virgin I can marry and start a family with. I can give you my cashapp and you can donate to our wedding party its going to be at the red roof on 49.[/QUOTE]You are writing something that mongers already know. Everyone is dodgy in this game.

[QUOTE=Nutzoid;6382576]You are writing something that mongers already know. Everyone is dodgy in this game.[/QUOTE]I agree as would anyone you think has spent any amount of time in this hobby yet if you read a few post below there are people who seem to think otherwise. To me its common knowledge that any woman selling ass is suspect and sketchy af at best yet when I deliver intel to guys about who is legit they continually ask about how dangerous a girls location is or if she is clean (Fuck dude she is a ho selling ass on stg so you can assume she has a pretty shitty existence and you should be prepared for the absolute worst all I can tell you is she was a legit ho when I saw her) Its almost like they have never gone and seen any of these girls in dive notells with ten lowlifes sitting in front the room all her worldly possessions stacked up all over the place orange caps all over her body covered in fresh picked soars and bruises clearly out of her mind on something or at least clearly someone who lived or lives hard.

So no clearly not all mongers know this already. It seems some expect to pull up to a nice residence find a sober clean lady who sees one guy a week and absolutely loves serving up the most intimate parts of her body for what equates to change to strangers. My guess is these same guys also tell themselves these girls actually like them and that they are the only trick that get these girls off. I have a few monger friends who believe that part at least that the hos actually think the are great and enjoy their time with them. So that delusion is real I have witnessed it first hand and have sat with girls that have idiots on the hook with that notion while they pick their pockets with sob stories about getting robbed or kicked out their room until said loser cash apps them free money because they have a special relationship smh.

I don't knock any dude for thinking that ho's actually like them if that's what gets you off is thinking a girl living in a dive hotel fucking 20 different guys a day is special and likes you then good on you bro. You keep on thinking that. Me I just want to pull up run into the room bust as fast as I can an leave without even talking to them if I can. That is unless they are under 30 hot and just starting out then I will play friend or do whatever I can to keep getting the ass steady on the cheap at least until they get old or the life wears them down to much.

The older I get the less I like dealing with the new generation of WGs anyways. The rap video girls are almost to much for me to even pretend with anymore. I could do it ten years ago but now I am so old and outdated I don't even know their language anymore. I just find myself nodding my head saying dope while I pretend they are interesting while I get their titties out. Its way easier to find sb's and utrs that are not your cross country types with all the nonsense that goes along with them. I still fill my quota with stg girls but more than two thirds of my weekly play is done with girls that don't even know there are actually sites like stg.

One thing I can tell anyone who wants to nail a ton of trashy stg level hookers is scared dudes don't fair well in this game. If you can't go into the hood walk up in the projects (in the daytime if your pale like me) and knock on a door and fuck what opens it then you should stick to the the 3-5 bill hr girls on the high end hobby boards. The 60 dollar girls are not for you. That's just been my experience I am sure its different for everybody but all my longtime monger friends would likely agree.

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Suzanna is back. The first time I've seen her was this time. She's a bit. Kooky. I've seen many reviews say she's way older than the posted age, but I'd say she's just firmly in her 50's which is fine by me. The face photo is as on point to what she looks like as it gets. Was a good time, as all other reviews before state. Her dog is tiny, so the must like dog statement isn't much of a big deal.

[URL]https://callescort.org/251-295-4987[/URL]

Messaged this one up just to be curious, she wanted $$ for a hour, I countered and we got to 160 hour but she said head wasn't included at that rate; DATY is extra also she said, not sure if you get that with the full $$ rate. Started to pass after she said this but I figured I would go in and give a review for you guys that might want to know. The picture is accurate; Thick girl, 25, big tits and ass short curly blonde hair. She's friendly and talkative, stays in a low rent apartment complex in Pascagoula and has a roommate (female I think- that's who I saw go back in) that left before I got there. Played with her tits and pussy and fucked her (covered).

For those interested in the environment of the apartment, it is a lower rent apartment complex. But apartment was clean by my standards, I think there was a dog in another room. We were in the living room on futon it looked and felt like. She does smoke and asked if minded if she smoked a bowl before we started. She set a timer on her phone but did not check it while we were playing.

All in all, it was a good visit. I might go back for another visit and try to get a lower rate and some head.

[QUOTE=HTwoOhMan;6385488][URL]https://callescort.org/251-295-4987[/URL]

All in all, it was a good visit. I might go back for another visit and try to get a lower rate and some head.[/QUOTE]That hair of hers is a straight mess, but she's got some cake on her, so I might still try to grab a slice.

[QUOTE=SlightlyBright;6385434][URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/biloxi/female-escorts/caucasian_w/available-for-incall-228367679/986806497091[/URL]

Suzanna is back. The first time I've seen her was this time. She's a bit. Kooky. I've seen many reviews say she's way older than the posted age, but I'd say she's just firmly in her 50's which is fine by me. The face photo is as on point to what she looks like as it gets. Was a good time, as all other reviews before state. Her dog is tiny, so the must like dog statement isn't much of a big deal.[/QUOTE]I've wanted to see her for some time but I can't bring myself to with the rates. She really needs to come down. And yes I've heard from others as well she is different. Thanks for the intel though.

[QUOTE=HTwoOhMan;6385488][URL]https://callescort.org/251-295-4987[/URL]

Messaged this one up just to be curious, she wanted $$ for a hour, I countered and we got to 160 hour but she said head wasn't included at that rate; DATY is extra also she said, not sure if you get that with the full $$ rate. Started to pass after she said this but I figured I would go in and give a review for you guys that might want to know. The picture is accurate; Thick girl, 25, big tits and ass short curly blonde hair. She's friendly and talkative, stays in a low rent apartment complex in Pascagoula and has a roommate (female I think- that's who I saw go back in) that left before I got there. Played with her tits and pussy and fucked her (covered).

For those interested in the environment of the apartment, it is a lower rent apartment complex. But apartment was clean by my standards, I think there was a dog in another room. We were in the living room on futon it looked and felt like. She does smoke and asked if minded if she smoked a bowl before we started. She set a timer on her phone but did not check it while we were playing.

All in all, it was a good visit. I might go back for another visit and try to get a lower rate and some head.[/QUOTE]Any clue as to whether BBBJ was on the menu?