Inappropriately Touching Lady LEO
[QUOTE=PlayTiem;2139017]but as far as avoiding LEO goes, a quick kiss and hug with a quick butt squeeze with fingers that wander under the curve (before any donations are involved) seems to be an effective way of saying Hello, to someone I haven't met before.
[/QUOTE]I'm quite certain that your tactic would get you at least a Lewd / Lascivious charge if not Assault were that to be a UC LEO Lady, just say'in.
LOL, the pigs feet were used
To give an idea that whatever you can trade for sex that has monetary value to it (not just money), can be construed as exchanging $ for sex. If it's a ride to the airport, same thing. It may cost you $40 to be taken to the airport by a taxi driver and if you agree with a provider to exchange sex for such a service, they can arrest you. If you can remember someone in Daytona was willing to trade a salad (LOL) for sex with the unknown undercover, he got got!
The best way to determine whether or not they are cops is to make appt for her time and companionship only. Go to appointment and never bring up sex and money. Ask her to get comfortable (don't use the term naked), dance for you in birthday suit or model in lingerie (or panties and bra if she says she doesn't have lingerie), do a lap dance, etc. In other words, anything that can be done in a strip club legally, can be done in the privacy of the motel incall if that's your selected location. Essentially, the LEO woman will never do even these legal request I promise you. So think about what can legally be done in a strip club and ask her to do it in a room and guarantee you she won't do it. This makes it easier for the guys to determine a woman's status but this does not apply to LEO men because they can and will, at times, get butt-naked with the girl and feel her all over, allow the girl to touch him and everything but yet, still be LEO and will arrest her once the agreement for sex is made. The LEO woman will try to get you to discuss sex and money in the very early stages of the meeting.
One tidbit for ya, sometimes the undercover woman might say that she has a 15 year old sister (whose really an undercover LEO also) and if you'd like to see her too and if you agree to have sex with her and sister for money, it's an added charge. Another thing, if you have any warrants out for your arrest for any reason and you visit a would-be provider, if they don't get you for solicitation, they will check your license plate to see if there are outstanding warrants for you. It can be because you failed to pay child support, failed to appear in court, outstanding unpaid tickets, or whatever. The idea is, they (LEO) didn't get you for one thing but they got you for something.
Again, NEVER EVER discuss sex and money with anyone you don't know and if you've meant her before and had a session, STILL, don't discuss it because they might be working with LEO trying to work off a charge.
[QUOTE=PlayTiem;2139017]Lying is not the same as entrapment. Cops everywhere routinely lie, and are expressly allowed to do so (at least in this country, not so familiar with laws about this elsewhere). As I mentioned in the SW forum, I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding of entrapment is where a cop gets you to do something you wouldn't do without them coercing you into doing it.
The "are you affiliated with law enforcement" question does always make me giggle a little inside, because if I were, and I lied about it, it wouldn't matter. Similarly, if you're trying to "vet" an unreviewed provider over the phone or over text, you're just wasting your time. I have a couple things I do to weed out fake pic chicks, but as far as avoiding LEO goes, a quick kiss and hug with a quick butt squeeze with fingers that wander under the curve (before any donations are involved) seems to be an effective way of saying Hello, to someone I haven't met before.
As others have mentioned, the primary rule is to absolutely avoid discussing any acts for any form of compensation. I'm personally glad that I haven't visited a provider that would accept a can of pigs feet as their fee, but I agree that offering some trotters for a blumpie could get you a ride you weren't interested in taking. If you're in a situation that feels wrong, just walk. Don't say anything at all, just walk.[/QUOTE]
Hey Play, a good rule of thumb
Before you kiss, hug, or touch, you should get a verbal confirmation from her. It should be loud enough for the recording device they have to pick up her and your voice. Otherwise if you touch her without her permission, she can cry assault. In industries like healthcare, if you touch a patient who is alert and oriented without their permission, it can be construed as assault. You can be prosecuted.
[QUOTE=PlayTiem;2139196]If she said no, or backed away in any way, sure. I'm not talking about tackling someone here, though. If you go for a hug, and she's receptive, and then a kiss, and she's receptive, and you touch her back, and she's receptive, etc. Obviously, they can charge you with whatever they feel like, and that could obviously be a major hassle, but any lawyer worth their salt should be able to nuke charges if a UC lady was willing to make out with you.[/QUOTE]