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Usually Successful
Typically in a situation like this, I will initially offer a tip for what I want. I may or may not negotiate depending on my reading of the provider. If I think she is too insistent, I will also casually mention that I will ask for a refund of the house fee because I am leaving. If necessary, I will follow through, too, because word does get around among these girls. Most times, though, I will give them at least part of the tip up front and tell them I will give them more tip at the end, usually without specifying how much unless I ask for something specific, if they satisfy me to the extent that I think they earn it. On repeat visits, there is usually much less, if any, negotiation if I see the same provider.
[QUOTE=DoToDont;7239217]Guys who think they will get more by overpaying, think again. You might get less action as they label you the loser easy guy in their mind and will do the minimum to get you out of the door.
It's purely business in these AMP. Sometimes you get to form a bond, but those are rare instances.
Have fun and be kind, but firm when it comes to rates. I always tip at the end if she goes above and beyond and if I plan to repeat.
Do not pay in the beginning and definitely do not overpay.[/QUOTE]
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Red rose
Where is red rose??
[QUOTE=JustWant1HJ;7239151]And I literally just did it again! Haha.
Red Rose.
$25 house fee $40 L1 and I'm out the door! Love it! This might become a once a week thing for me.[/QUOTE]
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Red Rose
[QUOTE=AzHooligan;7239793]Where is red rose??[/QUOTE]Red Rose is on google maps next door to Taco Mich.
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[QUOTE=DoToDont;7239217]Guys who think they will get more by overpaying, think again. You might get less action as they label you the loser easy guy in their mind and will do the minimum to get you out of the door.
It's purely business in these AMP. Sometimes you get to form a bond, but those are rare instances.
Have fun and be kind, but firm when it comes to rates. I always tip at the end if she goes above and beyond and if I plan to repeat.
Do not pay in the beginning and definitely do not overpay.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HardanFast;7239544]Typically in a situation like this, I will initially offer a tip for what I want. I may or may not negotiate depending on my reading of the provider. If I think she is too insistent, I will also casually mention that I will ask for a refund of the house fee because I am leaving. If necessary, I will follow through, too, because word does get around among these girls. Most times, though, I will give them at least part of the tip up front and tell them I will give them more tip at the end, usually without specifying how much unless I ask for something specific, if they satisfy me to the extent that I think they earn it. On repeat visits, there is usually much less, if any, negotiation if I see the same provider.[/QUOTE]Here's my operating procedure for anyone lurking not taking part in this convo.
Step 1 - I have my phone open with porn on it when they walk in.
Step 2 - I just straight up skip the massage, which I know is going to be a shitty not worth it massage anyway, and I'm naked and tell them what I want with hand motions.
Step 3 - she says give me money then and I just hand her the money. She says that's not enough. Well that's what I have. Sorry!
Step 4 - she says you pay more next time and I say "sure sure" (I won't) and we get right to it.
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Phoenix rates
Gentlemen,
I am from Tucson, I am stuck here for the next 7 months. What are the rates for this area. In Tucson you can be very very satisfied for $200 for the hour which includes FS & house fees.
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[QUOTE=Harry2671;7240171]Gentlemen,
I am from Tucson, I am stuck here for the next 7 months. What are the rates for this area. In Tucson you can be very very satisfied for $200 for the hour which includes FS & house fees.[/QUOTE]Same rates for the valley with the AMP's.
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[QUOTE=JustWant1HJ;7239823]Here's my operating procedure for anyone lurking not taking part in this convo.
Step 1 - I have my phone open with porn on it when they walk in.
Step 2 - I just straight up skip the massage, which I know is going to be a shitty not worth it massage anyway, and I'm naked and tell them what I want with hand motions.
Step 3 - she says give me money then and I just hand her the money. She says that's not enough. Well that's what I have. Sorry!
Step 4 - she says you pay more next time and I say "sure sure" (I won't) and we get right to it.[/QUOTE]I like to let the girl know "It's good to be back" right as I'm walking through the gate to the room and maybe grab a butt real qquick. Usually they get in a good mood right away. After getting in the room and she leaves for me to undress, I go ahead and stick my donations on the counter so she sees when she comes in. Usually end up with a great experience.
Ofcourse I only do this if I approve of who greets me initially. Don't settle for something you don't want.
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[QUOTE=DoToDont;7239217]Guys who think they will get more by overpaying, think again. You might get less action as they label you the loser easy guy in their mind and will do the minimum to get you out of the door.
It's purely business in these AMP. Sometimes you get to form a bond, but those are rare instances.
Have fun and be kind, but firm when it comes to rates. I always tip at the end if she goes above and beyond and if I plan to repeat.
Do not pay in the beginning and definitely do not overpay.[/QUOTE]I completely agree. It is still a sales job at the heart of the matter and part of it is to put on a happy face and smile as they take whatever money they can separate from you. I don't think overpaying helps you at all.
Back during the B6 era, a girl I saw was straightening up after when someone entered the lobby on the monitor. She dreaded at the sight of him and was completely relieved when he went with someone else. Another time, I saw on the monitors someone known for her bubbly and welcoming personality come in on her off night. My girl went and got her because I wanted to see her for a bit and say hi. Let's just say the couple minutes I tried to chat with her were less than comfortable. Maybe it was my bad for bothering her during her off time. Whenever I saw her again, she was always back to what everyone knew and loved, but that exchange stuck with me.
To prove I'm not a complete downer, I also agree special connections can form but are very rare. I was invited to eat lunch in the break area one time with another girl and she confided that like most regular people and work, she does not like what she does but has to pay bills.
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[QUOTE=Midnight47;7240355]Same rates for the valley with the AMP's.[/QUOTE]From what I read Tucson is amazing right now. I need to make a trip down there; especially I believe its WS.
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Tantra Massage
Came across this on Tryst? Has anyone tried her?
[URL]https://tryst.link/massage/loveswan1[/URL]
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Just do a search here for loveswan. I've reviewed her (though somewhat dated now), and someone else has seen her since with more current info and pricing.
[QUOTE=RickMartin2986;7241288]Came across this on Tryst? Has anyone tried her?
[URL]https://tryst.link/massage/loveswan1[/URL][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=RickMartin2986;7241288]Came across this on Tryst? Has anyone tried her?
[URL]https://tryst.link/massage/loveswan1[/URL][/QUOTE]I would advice to search first for reviews about the providers before asking for them. I did a simple search and found this post #14646.
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[QUOTE=RickMartin2986;7241288]Came across this on Tryst? Has anyone tried her?
[URL]https://tryst.link/massage/loveswan1[/URL][/QUOTE]Search loveswan, she is reviewed on this site.
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New Spa in Chandler
I noticed a new spa in Chandler on McQueen north of Pecos earlier this week and decided to give it a try. Walked in and the manager was an attractive late 40's Asian, there were two other girls working, both Asian and attractive. One appeared to be late 20's and the other in her '30's. All were dressed in jeans and blouses. Got the younger one for an hour for $70 and figured I would see how things went. About 10 minutes in as she was working on my back, someone else started working on my legs. A couple minutes later the manager tried to upsell me on a 4 handed massage which I declined. Drape stayed on the entire time and the girl stayed positioned to where I couldn't do the leg rub to signal intentions. Really good massage, but no hint of extras.
Went back yesterday and got the one in her '30's. Again the manager tried the 4 hand upsell. Another really good massage, but this one allowed me to rub her legs and on the flip let me rub her ass. On the flip, she replaced the sheet with a hand towel but kept putting it back when I would move to where johnny was exposed.
In either case the massage was pretty darn good, but not sure there will be any extras. I'll give the '30's one another chance though.
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Energy Spa
After reading reviews I decided to give this place a try today. Walked in and there was an older Asian lady, a black man and black woman. They said they were the new owners and that their license only allows them to do reflexology at this time. I asked what that meant and they said that underwear has to stay on.