"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I am surprised about the reports here of guys messaging SA girls about their sugar, getting back big numbers, and quitting on them. What do you expect when you are negotiating online? There could be all kinds of problems with you she doesn't see until you meet, so she is going to take that into account in pricing. You are certainly going to get her top dollar rate. I NEVER do this. I find that girls who can be pretty pliant in person become bulldogs online. I think this is something basic to human nature when you put someone behind the wall of the internet. Anyway, I only discuss the sugar w / a POT in person / face-to-face. If you need negotiating tips, watch some reality TV show like Pawn Stars or American Pickers. If they have the person in front of them, and he turns out to be nice, and safe, and somewhat attractive, and maybe like their dad's friend who they thought was hot in high school, they are going to be unwilling to let a bird in the hand escape for the sake of a few extra dollars.

I had a M&G today with a 27 YO med student with a smoking hot body, BIG natural tits. She is also a bit of a pleaser and refused all my attempts to get her to name her figure. They fear rejection too, and I think it is a good strategy to first ask them what they *need. * Don't get into 'want', that's a loser. Anyway, I proposed that the first time would be extra sugar, just to be sure we both liked the experience, and we would negotiate an allowance (lower per meet) after that. Given her reluctance to name her price, I finally threw out 300, which she immediately accepted. Too bad, I wish I had offered even lower, but still this is an excellent rate for a hot young SB in a high-price market, southern California.

She gave me her phone # haven't contacted her yet, will let you know when I did.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;3814369][URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/537700d5-fa12-4260-9486-0ed4ad3a2514[/URL]

Anyone have experience with this young lady?[/QUOTE]

Wow she is amazing and a Latina, have been looking for a long time for one like this, petite, cute, and hot like little firecracker.

Will see her again as soon as she comes back, she might be gone for few weeks.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;3814369][URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/537700d5-fa12-4260-9486-0ed4ad3a2514[/URL]

Anyone have experience with this young lady?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=S2568;3815271]Wow she is amazing and a Latina, have been looking for a long time for one like this, petite, cute, and hot like little firecracker.

Will see her again as soon as she comes back, she might be gone for few weeks.[/QUOTE]I concur. I saw her tonight and she is a true gem. I'll be seeing her too when she gets back in town. I had a real good time with her. Things can only get better once we get more comfortable with one another. I've been looking for a hot Latina for years.

[QUOTE=Mongo1;3812443]WTF? Handsome in the eyes of some, not everyone's cup of tea certainly, but I've now encountered this sort of rude behavior a few times. SB initial response to saying hello is show private pic (no public), then no response and you find yourself blocked. Have my looks gone downhill or what LOL?[/QUOTE]I think both guys and girls often start off by asking for access to private pictures (certainly lots of girls say in their profiles not to ask for access before there's been some interaction). That's the reason that I don't have even private pictures on my profile. I figure that I'll get a lot of requests from people who aren't all that interested, and I'm not eager to send my picture out promiscuously to people I'm unlikely to meet. So, I generally don't share pictures until there's been enough back-and-forth that I think there's actually a decent chance that she's someone I'd like to spend time with. Then I do it by text or email, which has the side benefit of getting her contact information. Giving out the pictures only on request also helps in screening out pros. I view it as a negative if a girl agrees to meet me and never asks to see my pictures (just as I do if she asks right away about allowance). If she wants to meet without having the slightest idea whether I'd be attractive to her, I figure that she is probably looking for a different kind of arrangement than I'm interested in.

[QUOTE=Bummm;3798815]I had a sb I was seeing for fuck dates only, no dinners, movie dates, just fun for 1000/ mo. She dropped me for a sd who she swears is giving her near 6000/ month and he has not that much interest in sex with her but does it on occasion, but he likes just talking, dates, having her around, but he required her to have him as her only sd. She has no reason to lie and I believe her and of course understand her dropping me for a 6000 daddy. But tell me why would any dude who is single as he is give out that kind of cash? I mean I would feel like I was a total loser if I put out that kind of money just for companionship. Funny thing is she would have been his only sb if he only gave half that, but he started w /6000 so who will turn that down.[/QUOTE]Just wondering if you heard from your old Sb and if she got her 6 k allowance, I was just talking with a college cutie who said she is talking with a Sd promising 8-10 k month for a weekly 8 hour date. Crazy if true!

[QUOTE=SteeleDick65;3816521]Just wondering if you heard from your old Sb and if she got her 6 k allowance, I was just talking with a college cutie who said she is talking with a Sd promising 8-10 k month for a weekly 8 hour date. Crazy if true![/QUOTE]I say "bullshit" on just about every single one of these girl's stories. Some guy promised you 5 k a month and you're a 7 or 8/10 at best? GTFO.

Every SD knows he can get 99% of girls on the site for 500 a visit. That's 2 k a month.

It's a case of girls getting greedy and thinking that some fairytale story on the internet is real ("my platonic SD gives me 5 k a month just to hang! I swear!" LOL) or the guy is simply playing her - "Sweetie, I'll give 10 k every month if you spend tonight with me. We'll start the arrangement next time we meet. ".

If a girl is spinning tall tales, just let her go. She can join the large majority of girls who go on the site for a few weeks and then leave empty handed after wasting a bunch of time.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3817077]I say "bullshit" on just about every single one of these girl's stories. Some guy promised you 5 k a month and you're a 7 or 8/10 at best? GTFO.

Every SD knows he can get 99% of girls on the site for 500 a visit. That's 2 k a month.

It's a case of girls getting greedy and thinking that some fairytale story on the internet is real ("my platonic SD gives me 5 k a month just to hang! I swear!" LOL) or the guy is simply playing her - "Sweetie, I'll give 10 k every month if you spend tonight with me. We'll start the arrangement next time we meet. ".

If a girl is spinning tall tales, just let her go. She can join the large majority of girls who go on the site for a few weeks and then leave empty handed after wasting a bunch of time.[/QUOTE]Agreed:

There are lots of tall tails on SA, I don't negotiate. Been talking to one 20 year old black girl and offered my usual $150 which include inseminating her every visit. She's got a kid, found out she has no job, lives in a halfway house, doesn't use birth control (which I told her she will do with me with proof), etc. She says "you have to come up with a lot more green" haha. I said nope, see ya. And she said "that's it. No more chatting?" Nope.

I have 4 SBs now at $150/ meet, pump load after load into them no complaints all on contraception, all regular women with jobs, income, homes, etc.

But, I do like to screw with these girls on email and text. But I am upfront, meet in public, here's the offer, take it or leave it. Don't pay for meet and greet, don't uber them anywhere (many don't have cars and have no concept about public transportation if it is available), etc.

GG.

Anybody have a go with this chick? She's asking for a M&G and I'm intrigued.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/57d810cc-432a-49c1-b470-acf4271fcb08[/URL]

Hi Brothers,

So I chatted with this girl and she gave me her phone number right away. She is clearly a pro and quickly quoted me a price. Does anyone have any intel? It sounds like she may be open to doing bareback which is a red flag for me.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/01e0c739-4491-4a83-893b-efd922056222[/URL]

[QUOTE=GenevaGuy;3817150]
I have 4 SBs now at $150/ meet, pump load after load into them no complaints all on contraception, all regular women with jobs, income, homes, etc.
[/QUOTE]Be sure to protect your anonymity so that you don't find yourself pumping loads of something else into them (child support).

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3817670]Be sure to protect your anonymity so that you don't find yourself pumping loads of something else into them (child support).[/QUOTE]Indeed. Besides child support, the other big reason is the classic "sticking your dick in crazy". If and when you need to totally sever things, burner numbers and such prove their worth.

Had an example of that this week. I'd been texting with a slim, "submissive" mid-30's MILF trying to find a time to meet. As always, I gave her my Google Voice number. We finally settled on meeting that night, and she wanted to call and "chat" before we got together. She spent the next hour+ talking almost literally non-stop the entire time, telling me all kinds of details about herself, her personal history, and her situation, with me occasionally making "mmhm" sounds and wondering how much longer she would keep going. I finally got her to stop talking, hung up, and booked a room. I already had concerns about this, but figured it was worth a shot.

She did show up and was real, but the talking and personality aspects were the same as on the phone. She kept talking about her dad being a famous businessman ("just google him!"), jobs she'd worked, and how she was in a semi-relationship with this one guy who had helped her out of a couple tough situations in the past ("but it's not romantic!"). She even kept trying to talk about him as I was kissing her. She was sorta wiling to have sex after that, except she wouldn't do oral since it was the first time we'd met, wouldn't get on top, and wanted me to "take ownership of her". Then she basically lay there like a starfish.

Afterwards, I kinda fast-talked my way through discussions of future meetings, and as soon as she was safely on her way home, I grabbed my stuff, bailed out, blocked her number and SA account, and deleted all chat history. That was just _too_ weird. So, between the Google Voice number, blocking her, and not giving out my real name, there's nothing for her to follow.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3817670]Be sure to protect your anonymity so that you don't find yourself pumping loads of something else into them (child support).[/QUOTE]I broke this golden rule a month ago when I got lazy and was thinking with the little head instead of the big noggin. I made the mistake of leaving the hotel receipt on the table in the room and my SB found it and took a picture of it. Fortunately, I didn't use my real address but did have my last name and personal cell number and the ***** tried to shake me down. I am so old enough to know better but I got careless. Let my stupidity be a lesson to the brotherhood.

Of course, most of you are smart enough to already know this.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;3817618]Hi Brothers,

So I chatted with this girl and she gave me her phone number right away. She is clearly a pro and quickly quoted me a price. Does anyone have any intel? It sounds like she may be open to doing bareback which is a red flag for me.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/01e0c739-4491-4a83-893b-efd922056222[/URL][/QUOTE]Check your pm. I've met her several times as has a friend of mine. She's safe and reliable.

[QUOTE=LoVecchio;3816059]I think both guys and girls often start off by asking for access to private pictures (certainly lots of girls say in their profiles not to ask for access before there's been some interaction). That's the reason that I don't have even private pictures on my profile. I figure that I'll get a lot of requests from people who aren't all that interested, and I'm not eager to send my picture out promiscuously to people I'm unlikely to meet. So, I generally don't share pictures until there's been enough back-and-forth that I think there's actually a decent chance that she's someone I'd like to spend time with. Then I do it by text or email, which has the side benefit of getting her contact information. Giving out the pictures only on request also helps in screening out pros. I view it as a negative if a girl agrees to meet me and never asks to see my pictures (just as I do if she asks right away about allowance). If she wants to meet without having the slightest idea whether I'd be attractive to her, I figure that she is probably looking for a different kind of arrangement than I'm interested in.[/QUOTE]Perhaps I should remove them and return to old way of engaging first, then sharing.