Arrangement Reports

None of the accounts you linked are active. Did you post this from a time capsule?

[QUOTE=Diaosi;6928186]I posted on the wrong thread accidently. Sharing here as relevant. Some more info from recent meets / interactions:

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[QUOTE=RusselJimmies;6928480]None of the accounts you linked are active. Did you post this from a time capsule?[/QUOTE]Links are bad, they include.

[QUOTE=Jayp80;6928606]Links are bad, they include.[/QUOTE]Looks like he copied and pasted links from another posting, they are incomplete. Try his original post: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2880-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=6926260[/URL] It's down the page, post 34280. Links there work.

All: As of Wednesday I ended this arrangement with Rose (Not real name). I have been in this game a long time and had many great arrangements. However, with Rose this was a special one. We first met in Milwaukee for drinks. It was just platonic but I had never had a better first meet. From the start rose let me into her life. She is very beautiful and makes you feel like you are the only person in her life. It just felt so special. I have been roped into this before and fell for the "Love bug" once before so I had my radar up for the first month. But every time we met (Weekly) it kept getting better. Staying over, physical aspects of the arrangement were amazing. She opened up her life to friends and everything. She is a party girl and goes out almost every evening. Each evening she would snap me her wereabouts, tell me when she made it home and was just so perfect at everything. All of these things I never asked for. She just did them. After about two months things started to change. She was still going out but instead of being back and messaging at a reasonable time, it suddenly became 3-4 am and her not messaging, she was loosing weight and becoming more irritable, arguing and canceling to go with "New" friends. I had my suspicions she was into drugs and it started showing more. Well it came to a head on Tuesday this week. We went out as usual for dinner and drinks. On the way back to the hotel she said lets go to a strip club. I was hesitant but did. What a mistake that was. We went in and shortly after she met this random sleezball guy and started talking to him. Within the hour he invited us to his hotel room at the casino for a party. I told her no way. She told me she is going even if I do not. I went to protect her as the whole situation was just not safe. So two guys, one dancer, Rose and myself get to the room. He brings out his stuff and Rose just dove in. I was so shocked how she just didn't care about myself or the danger she might have been in. She does more and turns to the dealer and starts making out with him. Right in front of me. I asked her to stop and she told me just to leave. Obviously I left. I am very confident she slept with that sleeze and it just shocked me. She was a teacher not long ago with a routine schedule to now sleeping with drug dealers in a matter of months. Anyway, I ended it as encourage her to get help but she got so mad at me and in denial of her issue. I am curious if I was just missing things in the beginning or was this something that came about.

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None of us can answer your question we don't know you or her from a hole in the wall. Old issues or new behavior doesn't matter either way does it?

But don't be so surprised that a girl who fucks for money was something other than what she pretend to be. Most of us in this game (guys included) have something off kilter about them (some more than others).

I had an SA girl I'd known for 2 years. She lived in another city but would come to Chicago for modeling gigs regularly and we'd always hang out. She'd stay over blah blah just like your girl then one day when I was in the shower she stole my wallet and $1000 in cash I had stashed in a drawer. I never saw it coming. She was tall, beautiful, good head on her shoulders (seemingly anyway) but for whatever reason she decided to do me dirty.

Nothing you can do other than not be shocked about it.

[QUOTE=Natefarwell;6932386]All: As of Wednesday I ended this arrangement with Rose (Not real name). I have been in this game a long time and had many great arrangements. However, with Rose this was a special one. We first met in Milwaukee for drinks. It was just platonic but I had never had a better first meet. From the start rose let me into her life. She is very beautiful and makes you feel like you are the only person in her life. It just felt so special. I have been roped into this before and fell for the "Love bug" once before so I had my radar up for the first month. But every time we met (Weekly) it kept getting better. Staying over, physical aspects of the arrangement were amazing. She opened up her life to friends and everything. She is a party girl and goes out almost every evening. Each evening she would snap me her wereabouts, tell me when she made it home and was just so perfect at everything. All of these things I never asked for. She just did them. After about two months things started to change. She was still going out but instead of being back and messaging at a reasonable time, it suddenly became 3-4 am and her not messaging, she was loosing weight and becoming more irritable, arguing and canceling to go with "New" friends. I had my suspicions she was into drugs and it started showing more. Well it came to a head on Tuesday this week. We went out as usual for dinner and drinks. On the way back to the hotel she said lets go to a strip club. I was hesitant but did. What a mistake that was. We went in and shortly after she met this random sleezball guy and started talking to him. Within the hour he invited us to his hotel room at the casino for a party. I told her no way. She told me she is going even if I do not. I went to protect her as the whole situation was just not safe. So two guys, one dancer, Rose and myself get to the room. He brings out his stuff and Rose just dove in. I was so shocked how she just didn't care about myself or the danger she might have been in. She does more and turns to the dealer and starts making out with him. Right in front of me. I asked her to stop and she told me just to leave. Obviously I left. I am very confident she slept with that sleeze and it just shocked me. She was a teacher not long ago with a routine schedule to now sleeping with drug dealers in a matter of months. Anyway, I ended it as encourage her to get help but she got so mad at me and in denial of her issue. I am curious if I was just missing things in the beginning or was this something that came about.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4ef4ab09-d002-4fb9-b2c6-127e05f5fa90[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Natefarwell;6932386]All: As of Wednesday I ended this arrangement with Rose (Not real name). I have been in this game a long time and had many great arrangements. However, with Rose this was a special one. We first met in Milwaukee for drinks. It was just platonic but I had never had a better first meet. From the start rose let me into her life. She is very beautiful and makes you feel like you are the only person in her life. It just felt so special. I have been roped into this before and fell for the "Love bug" once before so I had my radar up for the first month. But every time we met (Weekly) it kept getting better. Staying over, physical aspects of the arrangement were amazing. She opened up her life to friends and everything. She is a party girl and goes out almost every evening. Each evening she would snap me her wereabouts, tell me when she made it home and was just so perfect at everything. All of these things I never asked for. She just did them. After about two months things started to change. She was still going out but instead of being back and messaging at a reasonable time, it suddenly became 3-4 am and her not messaging, she was loosing weight and becoming more irritable, arguing and canceling to go with "New" friends. I had my suspicions she was into drugs and it started showing more. Well it came to a head on Tuesday this week. We went out as usual for dinner and drinks. On the way back to the hotel she said lets go to a strip club. I was hesitant but did. What a mistake that was. We went in and shortly after she met this random sleezball guy and started talking to him. Within the hour he invited us to his hotel room at the casino for a party. I told her no way. She told me she is going even if I do not. I went to protect her as the whole situation was just not safe. So two guys, one dancer, Rose and myself get to the room. He brings out his stuff and Rose just dove in. I was so shocked how she just didn't care about myself or the danger she might have been in. She does more and turns to the dealer and starts making out with him. Right in front of me. I asked her to stop and she told me just to leave. Obviously I left. I am very confident she slept with that sleeze and it just shocked me. She was a teacher not long ago with a routine schedule to now sleeping with drug dealers in a matter of months. Anyway, I ended it as encourage her to get help but she got so mad at me and in denial of her issue. I am curious if I was just missing things in the beginning or was this something that came about.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4ef4ab09-d002-4fb9-b2c6-127e05f5fa90[/URL][/QUOTE]I am so sorry that you had to experience this but I don't see anything wrong here. It is clear you and her did not clearly discuss boundaries. I do not know your age, but a lot of girls go threw such a phase in life. Clearly, you had grown a connection to her, but I don't think she was trying to deceive you at any point. You did not have to go out to a strip club with a known Party Girl. That is a high energy and very fast environment. Clearly, she just switched into that mode and you were not ready for the duality of the girl you had came to know vs what you saw. Worse things could have happened besides your feelings getting hurt (and I assume you paid for everything. Singles, drinks, drugs etc. That might play a factor as well.).

My advice is to decide if your ok not speaking with her anymore because the spell has been broken, then do it totally. Block everything and when she reaches out agaom (she will in time becauee you clearly are a friend of hers), don't let her back in. Move on.

Or wait a little so you can get out of your emotions and always control every situation you and her are in when you are together. That way, you don't have to run into that version of her. But you will have to tell her you were displeased about that night and the path she seems to be on. Her response to that is hers and hers alone but it will keep you both in good standing foe a while.

Communication is key. But you do have to have a grasp on your own emotions and expections to be transparent with her.

I hope this helped.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;6905793]I've been on the site for over 10 years. Never an issue with my profile pics. All of the sudden:

"Your Profile suffers from a limited experience.

You currently have no photos that are eligible to become your Primary Profile Photo. As such, you will not be seen, searched or able to send messages until this is resolved.

Please upload a new Primary Profile Photo, or upgrade to premium if you are not ready to add a photo at this time. ".

Money grubbing f**ks![/QUOTE]Even if you don't upload a photo, if you DM girls directly they can see your profile. Kinda nice since only the people that I msg can see my whole profile.

[QUOTE=Natefarwell;6932386]All: As of Wednesday I ended this arrangement with Rose (Not real name). I have been in this game a long time and had many great arrangements. However, with Rose this was a special one. We first met in Milwaukee for drinks. It was just platonic but I had never had a better first meet. From the start rose let me into her life. She is very beautiful and makes you feel like you are the only person in her life. It just felt so special. I have been roped into this before and fell for the "Love bug" once before so I had my radar up for the first month. But every time we met (Weekly) it kept getting better. Staying over, physical aspects of the arrangement were amazing. She opened up her life to friends and everything. She is a party girl and goes out almost every evening. Each evening she would snap me her wereabouts, tell me when she made it home and was just so perfect at everything. All of these things I never asked for. She just did them. After about two months things started to change.[/QUOTE]"She's not yours, it's just your turn. ".

Party girls, festival girls, girls with lots of tattoo's, any girl that has to do something "fun" all the time is a woman that belongs to the streets. And, if you look at any sugar baby website, most of them are looking for "fun. " If you were looking for anything more, now you know.

Believe it or not, most of the girls on sugar baby websites go in with a disdain for men. They're looking for the unicorn of men. The "paypig. " A paypig is a simp / nice guy who goes on OnlyFans and gives thousand to hundreds of thousands of dollars to a woman he'll never see / touch in real life. These women will have nothing but the utmost contempt for a man like the paypig but will gladly take his money. Nothing enrages and makes her happier to take from than a man whose nature is to submit.

Your description of the drug dealer is actually what those kinds of women want. A bad boy who's charming and manipulative, who couldn't care less about anything but to whatever a man like that cares about. "Fun" girls love to have their emotions pulled. Who is the best at pulling emotions? Bad boys.

If you want to be successful at this game, you better be good at telling a ***** "no". And when you fuck them, always fuck them like it will be your very last time, because it really is.

If anything I said makes you cringe inside, you better stay going to church and pray to god he sends you someone "special".

Saw a recent report on here stating that gift cards don't work anymore. Can anyone else confirm this? I've been using vanilla or egiftcards for years now and have run into a few delays but they always work.

[QUOTE=Tang07;6933763]"She's not yours, it's just your turn. ".

Party girls, festival girls, girls with lots of tattoo's, any girl that has to do something "fun" all the time is a woman that belongs to the streets. And, if you look at any sugar baby website, most of them are looking for "fun. " If you were looking for anything more, now you know.

Believe it or not, most of the girls on sugar baby websites go in with a disdain for men. They're looking for the unicorn of men. The "paypig. " A paypig is a simp / nice guy who goes on OnlyFans and gives thousand to hundreds of thousands of dollars to a woman he'll never see / touch in real life. These women will have nothing but the utmost contempt for a man like the paypig but will gladly take his money. Nothing enrages and makes her happier to take from than a man whose nature is to submit.

Your description of the drug dealer is actually what those kinds of women want. A bad boy who's charming and manipulative, who couldn't care less about anything but to whatever a man like that cares about. "Fun" girls love to have their emotions pulled. Who is the best at pulling emotions? Bad boys..[/QUOTE]Having had a half dozen very long term arrangements their psychology could be studied for years. One thing holds true, they are all damaged goods. We joke about daddy issues but it really is the one constant in all of the ones on SA. Every one of them has had daddy issues, absentee fathers, physically abusive, sexually abusive, or just downright men who were not well emotionally themselves. If you're going to try something that is close to a real relationship you have to have nerves of stone. The sex is usually off the charts and they are very open to experimentation. But you better hold on, they are not only crazy in bed. I could write a book on anti-social and self harming behavior these women exhibit.

[QUOTE=PauFord;6932753]None of us can answer your question we don't know you or her from a hole in the wall. Old issues or new behavior doesn't matter either way does it?

But don't be so surprised that a girl who fucks for money was something other than what she pretend to be. Most of us in this game (guys included) have something off kilter about them (some more than others).

I had an SA girl I'd known for 2 years. She lived in another city but would come to Chicago for modeling gigs regularly and we'd always hang out. She'd stay over blah blah just like your girl then one day when I was in the shower she stole my wallet and $1000 in cash I had stashed in a drawer. I never saw it coming. She was tall, beautiful, good head on her shoulders (seemingly anyway) but for whatever reason she decided to do me dirty.

Nothing you can do other than not be shocked about it.[/QUOTE]If I were interested in her I would have assumed that this was a living for her. At that point it would have probably been a one and done for me. A few times if it was amazing sex. If I'm going to get involved in something more serious it would be with one that is green. Or at least that's been my experience and I have a half dozen or more long terms under my belt. Most were amazing but they tend to run their course.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;6934304]Having had a half dozen very long term arrangements their psychology could be studied for years. One thing holds true, they are all damaged goods. We joke about daddy issues but it really is the one constant in all of the ones on SA. Every one of them has had daddy issues, absentee fathers, physically abusive, sexually abusive, or just downright men who were not well emotionally themselves. If you're going to try something that is close to a real relationship you have to have nerves of stone. The sex is usually off the charts and they are very open to experimentation. But you better hold on, they are not only crazy in bed. I could write a book on anti-social and self harming behavior these women exhibit.[/QUOTE]This is often true, but at least three of my former SBs are physicians now and one is on a partner track at a law firm. A bunch of other ones seem to be doing great personally and professionally. Of course some became escorts, strippers or cam girls and a couple are dead.

But the best ones are sexually adventurous and exploring; just like older guys; or are simply pragmatic about being hot and using that to discreetly get money while their hotness is at a peak and their bank account is at a nadir. There are also some that are 18, 19 or 20 and are simply naive.

The ones that are on there for years are, of course, mostly as you describe.

Has anyone ever successfully closed one of these, "I have a friend. " deals?

My take is they are too timid to go at it solo, so they have a buddy. While I'm okay with that and the possibility of a nice ongoing 3 some arrangement, it is an area I don't have as much experience.

Any tips or tricks?

See attached.

[QUOTE=Inverser;6935382]See attached.[/QUOTE]It's been ages since the last time I saw someone do this way of verification. LOL.