General Reports

[QUOTE=NWMich;4866984]Negotiating is being cheap and is perceived as being cheap. You can rationalize it any way you like, but that's the fact. Haggling is classless.[/QUOTE]So the fact that I haggle makes me classless? Perhaps to a degree I would agree with the cheap part. It seems that you're expecting a level of class that is a bit beyond this hobby at this level. This isn't Washington DC where were talking about really high-class escorts. 95% of the girls we talked about aren't exactly the picture of class. So I think price is definitely something we should always discuss and try to get the best price we can.

[QUOTE=PrivateParts;4866913]That's an admirable approach, but I don't think negotiations have to be perceived negatively.

My experience is you can negotiate rates respectfully if the advertised rates are higher than a comparable provider. If you are polite it won't impact the quality of service. She's who she is. Realistically I'm more likely to negotiate with someone that has less than stellar reviews but I would never tell her she's not worth it. Instead I make a polite offer on how much I am willing to spend and thank her and say maybe next time if she won't budge.

I may overpay when I am determined to get what I want, when I want it. I get deals when opportunistic and can offer the provider a booking when she otherwise would be sitting idle. A great time to do that is on slow afternoons, mornings before hotel checkout, or when I'm within 10 minutes of her incall and get lucky. Hotels, parking, movie theaters all offer discounted rates based on day / time for the same service. So your standard STG providers will too.

If she gives you a deal with good service you'll repeat for higher price, give a positive review, and increase her client base. If its bad service you'll be glad you didn't pay full price and leave a poor review.[/QUOTE]I'm with PrivatParts and Monger01 on this one.

So a guy is going to "negotiate" a $20 savings. And some feel this is honorable and OK because the girls are second rate. Really.

I'll let this go now.

[QUOTE=Monger01;4867086]So the fact that I haggle makes me classless? Perhaps to a degree I would agree with the cheap part. It seems that you're expecting a level of class that is a bit beyond this hobby at this level. This isn't Washington DC where were talking about really high-class escorts. 95% of the girls we talked about aren't exactly the picture of class. So I think price is definitely something we should always discuss and try to get the best price we can.

[/QUOTE]I've been at this hobby awhile, not longer than a few. But I've seen some where they charge not enough, to ones who are just right, and ones who need head examined!! Let's just say, you don’t always get what you pay for. Some lie about the service they provide. I could list several of them! But the high end escort I've seen I've had better from utr's at half the price! And I never haggle. I just pay them their money, if I think they will get the job done. This site has helped seeing reviews and cutting down on what girls not to waste money on. Every one must choose what they want to spend, and who they want to spend on it. Stay safe. Irish.

This forum is all about helping other mongers. I'll give NWMich credit for offering an opinion which (if I may) think his message is we as USA members should treat good providers well and not insult or take advantage of them. Because lowballing a well known, good provider is bad form. I'd agree with that.

My advice, in the guise of helping others, is to read the reviews and be knowledgeable about what a provider is worth. There are many serviceable, but not great, providers out there with full MSRP listings when they only deserve an average Blue Book offer. So make the offer that is in line with their reviews. It can't be too offensive if they accept your offer.

Peace.

Forgot to mention once some girl tried up selling a BJ for 400 $!! I laughed all the way out the door and all the way home!

[QUOTE=IrishGuy77;4867256]Forgot to mention once some girl tried up selling a BJ for 400 $!! I laughed all the way out the door and all the way home![/QUOTE]LOL that's crazy. I could split that between 4-5 providers over 2 weeks and get full service from each. NO ONE should be paying that for one lay in Kent County, just on general principle alone.

You Heathens getting Poon at a discount better cut it out, man! That's like going to a car dealership and not paying Full Sticker Price!

Disgusting!

NJ.

[QUOTE=Reacher2215;4867283]LOL that's crazy. I could split that between 4-5 providers over 2 weeks and get full service from each. NO ONE should be paying that for one lay in Kent County, just on general principle alone.[/QUOTE]No kidding! Told her I can find that for 60 $ LOL. And get a few Happy Meals after!

[QUOTE=NoseJelly;4867442]You Heathens getting Poon at a discount better cut it out, man! That's like going to a car dealership and not paying Full Sticker Price!

Disgusting!

NJ.[/QUOTE]Sticker for a Yugo was never right even though it was the cheapest. The Fiero looked great but left you hangin on the side of the road. Can't fix either one, might as well junk them and start over.

Yugo 4 k, Fiero 14 k.

One looks better than the other and both have the same performance.
Their reviews were Awesome the first year.
The ones with good reviews can change too. That's why we need updated info on all providers.

[QUOTE=IrishGuy77;4867113]I've been at this hobby awhile, not longer than a few. But I've seen some where they charge not enough, to ones who are just right, and ones who need head examined!! Let's just say, you dont always get what you pay for. Some lie about the service they provide. I could list several of them! But the high end escort I've seen I've had better from utr's at half the price! And I never haggle. I just pay them their money, if I think they will get the job done. This site has helped seeing reviews and cutting down on what girls not to waste money on. Every one must choose what they want to spend, and who they want to spend on it. Stay safe. Irish.[/QUOTE]I too have been around the block a few times (over 30 years, preinternet) and while "you get what you pay for" is not always the case, at least in my experience it sure can be. Some of my greatest hobby experiences have been with what has been characterized "high end". Absolutely gorgeous women by anyone's standard with mad skills. Usually have to travel but Detroit had its share a few years back. Anyone else get a chance to enjoyed any of the GPS squad of Marisa M, Morgan V and Eve?

[QUOTE=IrishGuy77;4866957]Speaking of massage, I need to go to Curtisy Massage soon! I need a good quality massage!! Irish.[/QUOTE]Perri is an unique experience. Sort of what a legit massage should be (without all our Puritan crap). Just treats it as all natural. "Why would I not include the genitals in a full body massage". Same goes for the release. It is sexual without it being overtly sexual. Just read her web site and follow her rules and you will have a wonderful relaxing time.

You read that term all the time in reviews. I was told that simply means the client takes an extra 15 minutes for free. This is from 2 providers. I thought that was funny and made some sense in light of the recent convo about negotiating with providers. Everyone will holler that's not them, but.

[QUOTE=Moonglow913;4868101]I too have been around the block a few times (over 30 years, preinternet) and while "you get what you pay for" is not always the case, at least in my experience it sure can be. Some of my greatest hobby experiences have been with what has been characterized "high end". Absolutely gorgeous women by anyone's standard with mad skills. Usually have to travel but Detroit had its share a few years back. Anyone else get a chance to enjoyed any of the GPS squad of Marisa M, Morgan V and Eve?[/QUOTE]I have seen all three you mentioned several times. Have done overnight appointments with all three.

[QUOTE=Moonglow913;4868101]I too have been around the block a few times (over 30 years, preinternet) and while "you get what you pay for" is not always the case, at least in my experience it sure can be. Some of my greatest hobby experiences have been with what has been characterized "high end". Absolutely gorgeous women by anyone's standard with mad skills. Usually have to travel but Detroit had its share a few years back. Anyone else get a chance to enjoyed any of the GPS squad of Marisa M, Morgan V and Eve?[/QUOTE]I've browsed around in Detroit and Chicago, but haven't seen anyone yet! Will eventually. There is one in Vegas that I'd love to get my hands on!

[QUOTE=Pete3854;4868664]I have seen all three you mentioned several times. Have done overnight appointments with all three.[/QUOTE]And tell me weren't they all worth every penny. Did an overnight with Marisa (in fact it was right here in GR during one of her visits). Can't imagine surviving a night with Morgan. Likely man Pete.

Seem to be so many scam ads on STG the real ones are hard to sort out. My key is the location, if not GR or even better a recognizable area of GR it is likely to be fake. Surely those with text me number or email address in location box are no good. Any other tips you have?

Too bad USA Classifieds is still down and did not really take off. Looks like CityX is gone. Anything you think will take the place of CityX?

[QUOTE=TokyoDawson;4869820]Seem to be so many scam ads on STG the real ones are hard to sort out. My key is the location, if not GR or even better a recognizable area of GR it is likely to be fake. Surely those with text me number or email address in location box are no good. Any other tips you have?

Too bad USA Classifieds is still down and did not really take off. Looks like CityX is gone. Anything you think will take the place of CityX?[/QUOTE]Erotic Monkey.

[QUOTE=Benz1;4869823]Erotic Monkey.[/QUOTE]Tip I picked up from a Daytona forum when viewing posts on STG. When you type in the city, click on the key word box next to it and just retype the city in there and it should weed out the fake ads. Good luck.

[QUOTE=FelterSnatch58;4869931]Tip I picked up from a Daytona forum when viewing posts on STG. When you type in the city, click on the key word box next to it and just retype the city in there and it should weed out the fake ads. Good luck.[/QUOTE]Good tip! Thanks Felter.

Works great, thanks for the Tip!

[QUOTE=FelterSnatch58;4869931]Tip I picked up from a Daytona forum when viewing posts on STG. When you type in the city, click on the key word box next to it and just retype the city in there and it should weed out the fake ads. Good luck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FelterSnatch58;4869931]Tip I picked up from a Daytona forum when viewing posts on STG. When you type in the city, click on the key word box next to it and just retype the city in there and it should weed out the fake ads. Good luck.[/QUOTE]When you do that you'll miss real providers that list locations like Wyoming, kentwood, or other local lingo. The local references are really your best clue, not Grand Rapids.

If you routinely monitor STG you should be able to eyeball the fakes (or at least the suspect ads) quickly. Crazy phone numbers, gmail as contact, weight in metric system, extremely cheap rates and stupid titles like "home alone" or sound like written by a foreigner are dead giveaways. Too perfect of pictures or those that look like stolen from online photo gallery should be highly suspect so do research.

Research tips are found in New Member Guide. It's simple and takes a couple minutes but you'll have your answer right away. Google the phone number "xxx-yyy-zzzz escort", search all names you find for her within this forum and do a reverse image search of all the pictures.

[QUOTE=PrivateParts;4870091]When you do that you'll miss real providers that list locations like Wyoming, kentwood, or other local lingo. The local references are really your best clue, not Grand Rapids.

If you routinely monitor STG you should be able to eyeball the fakes (or at least the suspect ads) quickly. Crazy phone numbers, gmail as contact, weight in metric system, extremely cheap rates and stupid titles like "home alone" or sound like written by a foreigner are dead giveaways. Too perfect of pictures or those that look like stolen from online photo gallery should be highly suspect so do research.

Research tips are found in New Member Guide. It's simple and takes a couple minutes but you'll have your answer right away. Google the phone number "xxx-yyy-zzzz escort", search all names you find for her within this forum and do a reverse image search of all the pictures.[/QUOTE]Thanks Privates for the insight. Yes, if you have been around its not to hard to figure out who the scammers are. TGTBT goes along way and once in a while you get lucky on the real deal and that is the beauty of this forum. Thanks to all who contribute.

Cjm233.

Your mailbox is full.

Specifically kandiland, miss hunter and Sophia c?

I saw Sophia C twice and she had such a sexy vibe about her.

All 3 ladies had a great mix of GFE, masseuse and horny lover built into the same frame.

All 3 are missed. Comparable ladies in GR today are slim, but Riley fits the bill to a T. I would put Charlotte into the same category although I've had limited experience with her.

These are the ones who deserve our money.

[QUOTE=JMaul;4873817]Specifically kandiland, miss hunter and Sophia c?

I saw Sophia C twice and she had such a sexy vibe about her.

All 3 ladies had a great mix of GFE, masseuse and horny lover built into the same frame.

All 3 are missed. Comparable ladies in GR today are slim, but Riley fits the bill to a T. I would put Charlotte into the same category although I've had limited experience with her.

These are the ones who deserve our money.[/QUOTE]I've chatted with SophiaC about returning, sounded like she was ready a month ago and now she's not too sure.

Kandi was visiting us a lot less frequently before covid started and is probably going to lay low and maybe not returning.

I don't expect to see Miss Hunter returning either.

Hunters cam business was taking off just before covid and sounded like she was going full time with it. She had another girl and guy camming with her too. Money is good and she doesn't need to take any risks.

Wait and see.

[QUOTE=Benz1;4874345]I've chatted with SophiaC about returning, sounded like she was ready a month ago and now she's not too sure.

Kandi was visiting us a lot less frequently before covid started and is probably going to lay low and maybe not returning.

I don't expect to see Miss Hunter returning either.

Hunters cam business was taking off just before covid and sounded like she was going full time with it. She had another girl and guy camming with her too. Money is good and she doesn't need to take any risks.

Wait and see.[/QUOTE]Benz, Do you know thru what site Miss Hunter is camming on? Same name if you know? Not surprising, of her many attributes, smarts was a very strong one. Md.

[QUOTE=MilfDiver;4874614]Benz, Do you know thru what site Miss Hunter is camming on? Same name if you know? Not surprising, of her many attributes, smarts was a very strong one. Md.[/QUOTE]I have no information on her cam site, I'm not a cammer so I never asked. Every time I saw her, she was so excited about how well her cam business was going, I knew it wouldn't be long before she didn't need Mongers. Camming is very strange to me. Hunter told me she was getting paid for putting on makeup, doing laundry and eventually showing tits and ass. Voyeurism? Map for me !

[QUOTE=Benz1;4875082]I have no information on her cam site, I'm not a cammer so I never asked. Every time I saw her, she was so excited about how well her cam business was going, I knew it wouldn't be long before she didn't need Mongers. Camming is very strange to me. Hunter told me she was getting paid for putting on makeup, doing laundry and eventually showing tits and ass. Voyeurism? Map for me ![/QUOTE]I don't know what ms Hunter looks like so I couldn't spot her if I come across her! LOL but I've seen a few hot cam ladies from Michigan!! Don't pm me!! I don't know if it's her!

Has anyone else been contacted by Sweet Baby Jane?

I asked about her BF, she said she has a new BF.

SBJ claims she has a new GF I should meet. Sounds like bait to help her get started again. Her staggered communication tells me she probably has the same BF lurking around.

Just an FYI or monger warning, in case she is contacting you. Remember her BF had her phone and was contacting us, sometimes pretending to be her.
Stay safe

When she started camming I asked her for online name. She said it is not published in the Midwest for privacy, so we couldn't see her content. Damn Shame. I have reached out to her several times, with no reply, so until we hear differently, I think she is sticking to camming.

She was definitely my ATF, so I hope she gets back in some day, I'll be first in line!

[QUOTE=IrishGuy77;4875089]I don't know what ms Hunter looks like so I couldn't spot her if I come across her! LOL but I've seen a few hot cam ladies from Michigan!! Don't pm me!! I don't know if it's her![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SlapShot69;4875291]When she started camming I asked her for online name. She said it is not published in the Midwest for privacy, so we couldn't see her content. Damn Shame. I have reached out to her several times, with no reply, so until we hear differently, I think she is sticking to camming.

She was definitely my ATF, so I hope she gets back in some day, I'll be first in line![/QUOTE]I know someone else who cams and they said they can block by area. So nobody in Michigan can see. But if your smart there's ways around it LOL. But I've never found her. I have seen a few people I knew from AFF days LOL.

I texted Miss Hunter a while back asking her about video chat. This is what she responded:

"I am on Chaturbate. I schedule sessions in advance and then provide my screen name and room password. ".

I had not followed through, there are plenty of free girls on Chaturbate in a pinch. I think she only does private sessions.

Ben.

[QUOTE=SlapShot69;4875291]When she started camming I asked her for online name. She said it is not published in the Midwest for privacy, so we couldn't see her content. Damn Shame. I have reached out to her several times, with no reply, so until we hear differently, I think she is sticking to camming.

She was definitely my ATF, so I hope she gets back in some day, I'll be first in line![/QUOTE]

Is anyone else having trouble connecting to STG today?

It started last night around midnight and I still can't get through!

Thanks.

- Hungry.

[QUOTE=HungryForIt;4876713]Is anyone else having trouble connecting to STG today?

It started last night around midnight and I still can't get through!

Thanks.

- Hungry.[/QUOTE]You are not alone.

I know she is on Chaturbate. I travel out of state for work, so I have tried some brief searching for her while out of state, but have not run across it. If anyone knows her I'd, let me know, happy to do some leg work when I travel to see if I could find her. I'm not typically into Camming, but would consider it with Hunter, she is a lot of fun!

[QUOTE=IrishGuy77;4875753]I know someone else who cams and they said they can block by area. So nobody in Michigan can see. But if your smart there's ways around it LOL. But I've never found her. I have seen a few people I knew from AFF days LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SlapShot69;4876770]I know she is on Chaturbate. I travel out of state for work, so I have tried some brief searching for her while out of state, but have not run across it. If anyone knows her I'd, let me know, happy to do some leg work when I travel to see if I could find her. I'm not typically into Camming, but would consider it with Hunter, she is a lot of fun![/QUOTE]Couldn't you just use a proxy to bypass all of that location based discrimination? (sorry I can't help but make fun of Millennials and their little cry baby attitudes) Side note: Does anybody else remember Warez, crackz and serielz how about plasticman. Org?

[QUOTE=WaltK;4876750]You are not alone.[/QUOTE]I think it's the weight of all those fucking fake ads finally bogging it down. Well. Probably not but I'm getting pissed. It seems like a majority of the ads are fake bullshit.

SS.

[QUOTE=HungryForIt;4876713]Is anyone else having trouble connecting to STG today?

It started last night around midnight and I still can't get through!

Thanks.

- Hungry.[/QUOTE]I've been able to connect to STG by typing in [URL]skipthegames.com[/URL], bypassing the. Eu.

[QUOTE=OldButNotOut;4876801] (sorry I can't help but make fun of Millennials and their little cry baby attitudes) [/QUOTE]Please spare us.