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[QUOTE=JsMonger1;1536347]Worth the trip. Asians and latinas. Its actually a real Asian style sauna. You can enjoy amenities like a hot tub, showers, steam room too.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the 411 but I was told by papasan that there is no "yumi" there. I'm looking for anal and rimming provider.
Previous review makes is sound like you have to walk around naked. Do you at least get a towel to walk to the room?
[QUOTE=JsMonger1;1536347]Worth the trip. Asians and latinas. Its actually a real Asian style sauna. You can enjoy amenities like a hot tub, showers, steam room too.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OriginalSex; 1536060]I just moved from NYC to Santa Fe Springs. Anything good in the city? Massage, strip, whatever. NYC was great for exploring AMPs.
Thanks![/QUOTE]There is nothing in santa fe springs the nearest places are in Downey.
[QUOTE=Revoemag;1538787]Previous review makes is sound like you have to walk around naked. Do you at least get a towel to walk to the room?[/QUOTE]Yes, you do get a towel- you xccan shower, or sauna and large hot pool for relax before.
What surprised me was that the PPS just did not grab the nearest Asian girl and say she was YUMI.
A different place, as it is also a health club, and you may see both gays and straight guys there. Only one full room, the rest are partitions so yu may here some action from other guys, actually it was funny to hear the other action on both sides of your cubicle- like a giant orgy and gang bang.
Ok, I'll have to check it out.
It sounds like it gets a bit of traffic. I'm used to walking into a AMP and I'm pretty much always the only one there. Hell, at the places I frequent frequently, there is usually only one girl. Am I right hat it sounds like this place is a bit more busy?
[QUOTE=FunTrust; 1539248]Yes, you do get a towel- you xccan shower, or sauna and large hot pool for relax before.
What surprised me was that the PPS just did not grab the nearest Asian girl and say she was YUMI.
A different place, as it is also a health club, and you may see both gays and straight guys there. Only one full room, the rest are partitions so yu may here some action from other guys, actually it was funny to hear the other action on both sides of your cubicle- like a giant orgy and gang bang.[/QUOTE]
Newb question here. I've been to places like Momo and Bebe, which I think are the most popular places.
I want to explore other places, but am somewhat scared. Mostly of getting busted. Is it safe to say that once you're getting massaged and the therapist brings up the menu, that you should be good to go?
Hopefully I will be able to provide some TR soon.
[QUOTE=Tdlr5; 1540852]Newb question here. I've been to places like Momo and Bebe, which I think are the most popular places.
I want to explore other places, but am somewhat scared. Mostly of getting busted. Is it safe to say that once you're getting massaged and the therapist brings up the menu, that you should be good to go?
Hopefully I will be able to provide some TR soon.[/QUOTE]Don't sweat it. You have no worries worth worrying about. A much better chance of being hit by a car or by lightning than being charged and prosecuted for a crime as a result of a visit to an MP. I doubt that more than 1-2 unlucky suckers have paid an actual criminal penalty for this in Los Angeles over the last 10 years. Probably a few more brought in and booked and others harassed, but actual prosecution and conviction, nah.
Having said that, if you are going to minimize your risk factor from slim to none, you are MOST vulnerable when the menu is brought up. The crime is not getting your dick sucked or fucking the provider, but of AGREEING to engage in such activities with her for money. That makes the crime of solicitation. So yeah if you've been receiving a massage with lots of ball teasing it is not going to be a cop, but if you get a legit massage from a girl you've never seen before or a place you're used to patronizing suddenly has a different cast, then you will be oh so slightly at risk when you engage in the verbal contract of sex for money. Unfortunately too many providers who face a much greater risk that you are police, are eager to make a contract in FS places. In rub and tug places the girls only infrequently raise the issue of money up front. FWIW there is no perfect solution that I've ever thought of. Only the peace of mind of knowing that the chances of you being setup are about as good as the Sacramento Kings winning the NBA championship next season. I will say to the provider that I don't want to discuss what she's bringing up. That we should just follow a natural progression and see where that gets us, and we'll both be happy in the end. Still kind of sketchy but better than saying "I'll pay you $100 for full service".99% of the time the girls go along with my evasion but I am older and definitely present myself as a man worthy of being trusted.
The reminder is often given on this site that it is not a crime to be inside an MP or to get a massage. So if you never utter the "words of contract" then you can just advise a presumptious PIG who wants to make your life difficult that you are there for a massage only. And say nothing more to this stinking beast or any of his barnyard buddies. Not one word more.
But bottom line is don't worry, use common sense, get happy and enjoy the life enhancing benefits of good massage and explosive orgasms.
After being a lurker and then a commenter waaay back in the salad days of Inglewood and the Valley (won't even mention Melrose and Okinawa House on the westside) and about three diff. Member names, Jackson has extended me "senior" status. Oh, wait a sec. Did you mean 'cuz I'm old now, J? Anyway, I'm motivated by this to reenter the 'ho matrix and start filing a report here and there. Thanks, Jackson!
[QUOTE=The Camel; 1541167]Don't sweat it. You have no worries worth worrying about. A much better chance of being hit by a car or by lightning than being charged and prosecuted for a crime as a result of a visit to an MP. I doubt that more than 1-2 unlucky suckers have paid an actual criminal penalty for this in Los Angeles over the last 10 years. Probably a few more brought in and booked and others harassed, but actual prosecution and conviction, nah.
Having said that, if you are going to minimize your risk factor from slim to none, you are MOST vulnerable when the menu is brought up. The crime is not getting your dick sucked or fucking the provider, but of AGREEING to engage in such activities with her for money. That makes the crime of solicitation. So yeah if you've been receiving a massage with lots of ball teasing it is not going to be a cop, but if you get a legit massage from a girl you've never seen before or a place you're used to patronizing suddenly has a different cast, then you will be oh so slightly at risk when you engage in the verbal contract of sex for money. Unfortunately too many providers who face a much greater risk that you are police, are eager to make a contract in FS places. In rub and tug places the girls only infrequently raise the issue of money up front. FWIW there is no perfect solution that I've ever thought of. Only the peace of mind of knowing that the chances of you being setup are about as good as the Sacramento Kings winning the NBA championship next season. I will say to the provider that I don't want to discuss what she's bringing up. That we should just follow a natural progression and see where that gets us, and we'll both be happy in the end. Still kind of sketchy but better than saying "I'll pay you $100 for full service".99% of the time the girls go along with my evasion but I am older and definitely present myself as a man worthy of being trusted.
The reminder is often given on this site that it is not a crime to be inside an MP or to get a massage. So if you never utter the "words of contract" then you can just advise a presumptious PIG who wants to make your life difficult that you are there for a massage only. And say nothing more to this stinking beast or any of his barnyard buddies. Not one word more.
But bottom line is don't worry, use common sense, get happy and enjoy the life enhancing benefits of good massage and explosive orgasms.[/QUOTE]Thanks, at Momo they don't ask me upfront anymore since they know who I am.
I got really sketched out when I went to a place in Reseda and she asked me upfront for $ after less than 5 min of massage. I actually said I would do it next time and stayed for a short 10 min massage. But that place gets reviewed on here and does provide FS. I was just really paranoid since I didn't get all the signs that I was good to go. And ended up short $50 due to that.
T,
Newbies are always a little apprehensive when they are starting out (we all were newbies once). That's OK, have some patience, you will learn the,"in's-and-out's" of this hobby of ours.
I've posted this before, but here is some newbie tips that I've found helpful in having an enjoyable time at AMP / MP's.
Enjoy the hobby,
Dirty.
1) Leave Valuables and Extra Money Outside. Only take in what you need. Some places may want to see your I'd. You will need cash. DO NOT pay with a credit card. I usually take my cell-phone, keys, and only enough money to pay for what I want. If you don't know what the charge will be, put money in different pockets or hide it in your wallet (behind a photo or something) so they don't see all your money at once. I had one girl looking in my wallet after I told her I was used to paying $100 for FS and she wanted $150. Luckily, I had already "moved" the extra money somewhere else and only paid the $100. Use the specific city forums to research and post pricing in the area you are going.
2) Entry into the AMP. Entry can be done in a number of ways. Sometimes, there is a locked door with a buzzer and sometimes you enter like a normal business. When you are greeted, smile and say Hello, to the person letting you in. They will most likely be the mama-san who is in charge of the girls. At some point, either at the front or in a massage room, you'll be asked what you want. Simply state "1 Hour Please" or whatever time limit you want. You'll be told a price and you should pay that to start without talking about any tips or extras. I recommend at least an hour as shorter times may cheapen your experience. 30 minutes is good if you are in a rush or short on cash. Sometimes you pay the person admitting you and sometimes it's the actual girl you pay. At this point, you aren't asking for anything other than a massage.
3) Become a Repeat Customer. This seems to be the number one factor. The providers want to make sure you are "not a cop" and once they are comfortable that you aren't, they will more than likely provide extras. I've been asked many times, ' have you been here before?" and it's always good to answer "yes". If they remember you, even better. If not, try and remember the name of the person you saw before.
3a) Get / Present a Business Card. Some AMPs have business cards so you can ask for one on your way out. I have the girls write their name on them so I didn't forget and I could "ask" for them when I go back. Even if they weren't there on my visit, it showed the new provider or mama-san that I was there before. If you walk in with a business card and ask for a specific girl, that's a pretty big clue you're back for more.
3b) Fake Being a Repeat Customer. If you haven't been to a particular place before, act like you have been. Get information about them in the forums for the cities you plan on visiting, or your home town. Find out the going rates for HJ, BJ, FS etc. And have the money handy. Even a little comment during the Table Shower or Sauna such as "this is my favorite part" or something along those lines will make them think you were there before. Do your research before you go!
3c) If you are a new Customer. You can tell them that you have been to other AMP's in another city. This is a good technique if you are travelling and are trying out AMP's in a new city. You can also name a competitor and say you used to go there but you moved and this one is closer or that you want to try something new. The goal is to let them know you've been to AMP's before, but that you are new to their particular establishment. Depending on the place, this may or may not lead to extras.
3d) Prove you are not LE. If a provider thinks you are a cop, you will most likely NOT get any extras. This is why some check your drivers license (although I haven't had that happen). Some are content with the "Are you a cop?"/"no" routine. Others want to be sure so tips like being free with your nudity, placing her hands on your genitals, or anything else that leads them to believe you are a normal guy not looking to bust them. That's pretty much the whole point of being a repeat customer.
4) Get Fully Undressed ASAP. Yes, you will be naked. In my experience, the girl takes your door fee, leaves for a minute or more. Sometimes she will ask you to get undressed, sometimes she won't, sometimes she will and you won't understand a word she said. So use this time to take ALL of your clothes off. My first time, I was standing in my underwear and she told me to take those off too. I felt as if she knew it was my first time. So get naked and if the towel slides off, let it. It will show her that you have done this before. Be free with nudity.
5) Use Provided "Purse". Many times, you will see a little purse or bag that is there for you to put valuables in. Use it to put your "valuables" in and carry that with you to other areas of the spa. You may go to a sauna, hot-tub, shower, or table-shower. Since you won't have pockets, look for the little bag and carry it with you. If they don't have one, you can ask for one. In some places, you may just stay in the room you were brought into the entire time (no shower). In this case, you will be able to keep an eye on your things. If you are leaving the room and are worried, look for something to carry your valuables in. NOTE: Having your things in the little bag is a neat clue to the girl that you have done this before.
Generally you will find that Asian massage parlors are very honest, and you don't have to be as careful with your possessions as with 'other' massage parlor providers. Not trying to be racist here, but my experience (after 25+ years) in this hobby proves that to be true.
6) Bring your own condom. The "purse" is a great opportunity to place a condom where she can see it. If there is no purse, lay the condom on a table or somewhere that is in view. Usually, if they are providing extras, they will provide the condom. But showing the initiative to bringing your own indicates you are there for more than a massage.
7) Shower Etiquette. Some places offer a shower where you go in yourself and wash. If they don't offer, ask if there is one. Some places take you to a table-shower where they put you on a table and wash you. Some places, the girl will wash everything including your genitals. This is a good thing. Some places may ask you to wash your own genitals and I would advise you to do so if you want them to do anything later. It is not generally appropriate to ask for extras at this time. It also helps if you know where the shower is and lead her there instead of her leading you.
Revision 1: A mamasan once told me: Cops won't shower. The level of vulnerability is way too high. No badge. No gun. No wire. It's just too risky. I am sure there have been exceptions, but by taking a shower, you really help put them all at ease, not to mention your provider, who will just be happy you are clean.
8) Enjoy the Massage. It's part of the experience, and the girls usually give you a pretty good massage. If you have a stiff neck, sore legs, or something else, let her know so she can concentrate on those areas. You usually start out on your stomach and she rubs your back, legs, arms, etc. She may brush against you with her crotch, lift up her skirt and sit on your butt, and lean over brushing her body against you. Different places vary as far as touching her, but light brushing on her leg or arm aren't too intrusive and will generally let her know you are looking for extras. This isn't necessary and I usually don't "touch" her until later. This is still part of the "I'm not a cop" routine.
9) Lose the Towel. If there is a towel covering you, do everything possible to get it off of you. If it's covering your butt, roll around while she isn't near you so it gets out of position or falls to the floor. If she puts it back, lose it again. Don't be too obvious but at some point, the towel will most likely be tossed aside. If she is persistent, feel free to ask "no towel please" or something along those lines.
10) Become Aroused. Usually, the girl will try to get you aroused. She'll lighten up the touch a little around your buttocks and brush your skin gently. Shift yourself if you do become aroused to "let her know" that you need room to grow. If you aren't getting aroused, shift yourself anyway to "fake" getting aroused. This will let her know that your johnson is growing and you are getting ready. She may even reach underneath and lend a helping hand if you are lucky.
11) Wait to Flip Over. At some point, she'll ask you to flip over. When she does, simply flip over onto your back. You may or may not be aroused at this point. Either way, she'll know and she'll do everything she legally knows how to make sure you get aroused. This is a time to smile and enjoy her expertise.
12) The "Tip". The girl will usually ask if there is anything else she can do for you or if you are "OK". This is where you say what you want (HJ, BJ, FS) or make the HJ, BJ, FS "motions". She'll either say how much or just ask you for money. This is where knowing the going rate is handy. It's usually $40-$60 for HJ, $80-$100 for BJ, and $100-$140 for FS. Keep in mind that you can always negotiate and it may vary depending on where in the USA, or world, you are. She may leave for a minute or two or she may just start right there. The key to negotiating is getting a fair value. If you offer $20 for FS and she accepts, it will probably be the worst FS ever. If you overpay, then you ruin the great value of the AMP. So try not to stray too far above or below the going rate. I usually offer at the low end (I. E. $100 for FS) and say that's what I'm used to paying. Tell her what you want and a price you want to pay. She'll most likely be reluctant to give you pricing. One thing some guys recommend is leaving the tip out in advance. But, I know some guys here recommend strongly against it, but I have always found it works to strip down, lie down, and have the money sitting on the counter before the girl returns to the room. The only times I've ever had to haggle is when I didn't do that.
13) The Fun Part. When she returns (or starts) , it's generally acceptable that you can now touch her. She may or may not like you to and you have to respect her individual level of comfort. I've had girls get completely naked, sit between my legs, and give me a HJ as well as one that stands there fully clothed doing it. I can't predict what will happen but this will affect your decision to return or not return. If you are getting BJ or FS, she will most likely provide and put on the condom (which I recommend) and she'll start. If you brought your own, she may use that one. Again, if you want to be on top, do it doggie-style, or want her on top, they are generally open to how you want to do it.
14) Variations. If you are into DATY or other things, be up front with it. I've done DATY on a number of girls and some get into it and some don't. Some enjoy when you touch and finger them and some don't. Some will let you massage them and some won't. I've never looked for Anal so I can't give advice on that. Some places will only give HJ. So be aware and look for advice in your local forums.
15) Happy Ending. After the ending, she'll usually clean you up or get rid of the condom if there was one used. Sometimes, a hot towel, a beverage, and even mouthwash are provided. If you paid for an hour and you finish early, you may or may not get the full time limit. Some girls will continue the massage, some will tell you to get dressed. This is another area where different places differ greatly. If you feel cheated out of your time, feel free to express your opinion.
16) Be Polite. I use this motto in life, but the providers are people just like you and me, and they like being treated with respect. During the massage, try giving out a compliment such as "that feels nice" or "your hands are so soft" instead of something like "you have nice tits" or "I can't wait to f*k you". I find that being nice goes a lot farther than acting like an ass. Talk to them like you'd talk to a new friend.
17) Learn the Language. If you can learn Korean / Chinese / etc, you will most likely have an easier time communicating what you want in an AMP. The most difficult part is telling them what you want or trying to listen to their broken english. You'll most likely find yourself in a vulnerable position making the "BJ" motion followed by a dollar amount. Learning their native tongue, or a few phrases, can improve your experience.
18) Post Your Experience. We don't need every detail, but posting in the city forum where the AMP / Spa is located will help everyone with certain details of locations and pricing and if anything beyond a massage happened. Price and extras vary from region to region. If you get ripped off at a place, tell us that too and we'll appreciate you "taking one for the team.
This is just based on my experience in AMPs over the last 30+ years, as well as some tips I've picked up from other hobby mongers. If you have some additional helpful hints, please add them to the list. It will help all of us who are in the 'hobby'.
[QUOTE=Tdlr5; 1540852]Newb question here. I've been to places like Momo and Bebe, which I think are the most popular places.
I want to explore other places, but am somewhat scared. Mostly of getting busted. Is it safe to say that once you're getting massaged and the therapist brings up the menu, that you should be good to go?
Hopefully I will be able to provide some TR soon.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dirty Old Guy; 1541313]3d) Prove you are not LE. If a provider thinks you are a cop, you will most likely NOT get any extras. This is why some check your drivers license (although I haven't had that happen). Some are content with the "Are you a cop?"/"no" routine. Others want to be sure so tips like being free with your nudity, placing her hands on your genitals, or anything else that leads them to believe you are a normal guy not looking to bust them. That's pretty much the whole point of being a repeat customer.
'.[/QUOTE]One time mama san asked me for an I'd because she thought that I looked like a cop. This was an AMP on Valley View in the Orange County area.
You do know that undercover will play along the role as a monger. Then bust them afterward.
[QUOTE=Dirty Old Guy; 1541313]T,
Newbies are always a little apprehensive when they are starting out (we all were newbies once). That's OK, have some patience, you will learn the,"in's-and-out's" of this hobby of ours.
I've posted this before, but here is some newbie tips that I've found helpful...[/QUOTE]18) Hygiene is very important. I know it should be common sense but when your horny and just got off a shower send like a far drive. But this wil make the provider more. Open to touching.
19) Look for signs that wil help you find the kinda service you want. Any place advertising latina and asian will be FS, the latinas are generally independent providers who find FS joints for money. Thai places are mostly hot young girls probably in college who are looking for a green card or ' daddy'
20) If you don't like the provider ask for someone else. I. Tell customers at my bar, if you don't like it don't drink it. No one is forcing and by having a provider you don't like service you wil make the entire experience bad.
21) If she comes in dressed like its a Friday night your almost assuredly at a FS spot.
Great post man. Wish there would have been more like this when I first started. I know you can find any answer on this board but deciphering the cryptic lingo can be hard at first plus AMP have different procedure than escorts. Just my. 002
John,
Thanks for the extra ideas. They are good 'un's. I especially like, and agree with, #21. :D
Dirty.
[QUOTE=John 2089; 1541891]18) Hygiene is very important. I know it should be common sense but when your horny and just got off a shower send like a far drive. But this wil make the provider more. Open to touching.
19) Look for signs that wil help you find the kinda service you want. Any place advertising latina and asian will be FS, the latinas are generally independent providers who find FS joints for money. Thai places are mostly hot young girls probably in college who are looking for a green card or ' daddy'
20) If you don't like the provider ask for someone else. I. Tell customers at my bar, if you don't like it don't drink it. No one is forcing and by having a provider you don't like service you wil make the entire experience bad.
21) If she comes in dressed like its a Friday night your almost assuredly at a FS spot.
Great post man. Wish there would have been more like this when I first started. I know you can find any answer on this board but deciphering the cryptic lingo can be hard at first plus AMP have different procedure than escorts. Just my. 002[/QUOTE]
" This is where knowing the going rate is handy. It's usually $40-$60 for HJ, $80-$100 for BJ, and $100-$140 for FS."
I couldn't believe I read this. $40-$60 for HJ, $80-$100 for BJ, not including what you paid at the door?
That's crazy for pay that for BJs or HJs.
As a new monger in the WeHo region, who do you guys suggest I hit up first for a good experience? Trying to decide between Angie at Momo or Jenny above the 7-11. I know the latter allegedly isn't a looker according to previous postings, but her enthusiasm sounds appealing (although perhaps a negative in this case, since I've heard she'll actually try to BB (BJ / FS) if you don't manage to get to a rubber in time. Any thoughts? Aroma on Melrose ain't that far either, but I almost never see any specific providers mentioned.