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[QUOTE=KingOfFours;4341688]I agree with everything you said, but I'm confused by the quote above. Are you implying that it was thugs with badges that called people? Or thugs without badges? Because this is not the usual modus operandi of LE, as far as I undertand things. They don't call people on the phone. But scam phone calls from thugs WITHOUT badges, posing as LE, and threatening all kinds of shit, are common place--I get them all the time, for crap totally unrelated to whoring. I just delete them.[/QUOTE]Yes, to clarify things. Law Enforcement. This was a long (months) on-going investigation by the FBI and Local LE focused on collecting evidence against the proprietor (pimp) of the website.

Dudes reported on this site that LE called them at home in regard to dating at that motel. Those dudes who were contacted, posted seeking advice on what to do or to offer warning to others.

I am not aware of what is "the usual modus operandi" of any LE, just reporting what happened in this case, fwiw. Perhaps LE is "evolving" or adapting in their styles and techniques? For me, understanding what has been done in the past allows me to evaluate steps that might be taken to reduce risk.

I have heard about dudes getting scam calls by thugs etc. I have had idle threats from girls before trying to extort me. But if one is following the rules, then they are using an app number layered on a burner phone. Seems like the way to get a call from LE at home or on a regular number is:

1) IF LE gets your name / info from vehicle registration or.

2) If one makes a date from a phone registered in your real name.

(am I missing anything else?

I would think an App number allows one to block the thugs attempting a shakedown and that usually ends it. That has worked for me. Just blocking a number. However, IF the scammers get persistent by using different numbers, then I dump the App number & get a new App number. The extreme case is when nefarious types end up with the burner number then it is time to send the phone swimming and start over. Thankfully only had to do that once and I was probably paranoid and over-reacting! Seems like the only "thugs" with enough resources and legality to find you at home would be the Gubmint?

All for what its worth. Stay safe amigos!

[QUOTE=BostonRedSox;4341460]Any intel on where her incall is located?[/QUOTE]I dropped her off after picking her up she looked really bad.

[QUOTE=JohnTies;4337586]Talked with Shayla on two different occasions, she told me she does not do BBFS, never has, and whatever I saw is a lie on here.

No idea what is what but no BBFS according to her.[/QUOTE]When I was with her she only did BBBJ, she said that's all she does BB.

[QUOTE=Attwater;4341973]I dropped her off after picking her up she looked really bad.[/QUOTE]I kind of want to see for myself. Even if she looks bad, I might still want a quick pump and dump. Whereabouts is she located? If she's as bad looking as you say, I don't want to spend a lot of time traveling to see her.

[QUOTE=BostonRedSox;4342042]I kind of want to see for myself. Even if she looks bad, I might still want a quick pump and dump. Whereabouts is she located? If she's as bad looking as you say, I don't want to spend a lot of time traveling to see her.[/QUOTE]Around mass ave near south end. She wasn't that bad when I met her but that was like 2 weeks ago. Her incall is kinda messy and it smells like smoke. If you need anymore info on her you can pm me.

[QUOTE=BostonRedSox;4342042]I kind of want to see for myself. Even if she looks bad, I might still want a quick pump and dump. Whereabouts is she located? If she's as bad looking as you say, I don't want to spend a lot of time traveling to see her.[/QUOTE]Around mass ave near south end. She wasn't that bad when I met her but that was like 2 weeks ago. Her incall is kinda messy and it smells like smoke. If you need anymore info on her you can pm me.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;4341801]Dudes reported on this site that LE called them at home in regard to dating at that motel. Those dudes who were contacted, posted seeking advice on what to do or to offer warning to others.[/QUOTE]Do you have a link or a post number regarding these reports about LE calling people? I realize that our 1st and 4th Amendment rights are becoming a thing of the past. But this business of LE calling people sounds EXTREMELY fishy to me. It seems more likely that these are thugs without badges who got the plate numbers during the motel visit to the hoe, and are trying to extort people. Or maybe even thugs WITH badges who have access to plate number data, also trying to extort people.

Has anyone else ever heard of this business of LE calling people like this? Because I haven't. I would actually like to communicate directly with anybody that got such calls, in order to learn in detail more about this, if it actually happened to them.

[QUOTE=Nrlmus;4295745]Finally got to see Alicia from Fitchburg. Everything was as they said about her in previous posts. Alicia is all-around good girl. She's nice, personable, friendly, fun, open-minded, and basically ready for anything although a monger told me that she told him 'no Greek'. Not a cw for sure and definitely GFE whatever your definition is. Prefers to be led but I think can take charge too if need be. The fact that I post in this section should tell you something about the possibilities. I mean YMMV, I suppose, but you know how it is, right?

Nice place too. Pretty spacious one-bedroom apartment in a 2-storey house. Don't expect a 5-star hotel but all's very neat and clean. If you like what you see following the link below it should be a no brainer thumbs up for you IMHO. Any questions. Ask.[/QUOTE]Alicia does not appear to be offering BBFS anymore. I had gotten it from her back in March. However, seems like she's gotten more popular since then because her price also increased from $$ to $$.5 for the hour. I cut things short after learning about the new menu. She agreed to return $.2 and I left. Hope to save others from wasted time and money.

[QUOTE=Alejhenry;4343136]Alicia does not appear to be offering BBFS anymore. I had gotten it from her back in March. However, seems like she's gotten more popular since then because her price also increased from $$ to $$.5 for the hour. I cut things short after learning about the new menu. She agreed to return $.2 and I left. Hope to save others from wasted time and money.[/QUOTE]Just because the girl doesn't offer bbbfs anymore doesn't make her less enjoyable nor a bad person. After all it's for her own safety as well as for everyone else. I honestly prefer girls who don't openly advertise bbbfs. Too many risks involved.

[QUOTE=KingOfFours;4342839]Do you have a link or a post number regarding these reports about LE calling people? I realize that our 1st and 4th Amendment rights are becoming a thing of the past. But this business of LE calling people sounds EXTREMELY fishy to me. It seems more likely that these are thugs without badges who got the plate numbers during the motel visit to the hoe, and are trying to extort people. Or maybe even thugs WITH badges who have access to plate number data, also trying to extort people.

Has anyone else ever heard of this business of LE calling people like this? Because I haven't. I would actually like to communicate directly with anybody that got such calls, in order to learn in detail more about this, if it actually happened to them.[/QUOTE]Sounds fishy to you? LOL! I dunno, whenever I "think" I know something in the hobby is when it teaches me a lesson! Just because I have never heard of any of this doesn't make it false! But hey if one wishes to operate on that basis, no skin off my teeth! I'm just saying.

Oh wait! It just hit me, someone who is LE friendly would have an interest in dissuading others from paying attention to these techniques and tactics! After all if too many take heed, then LE will have to come up with new techniques!

Maybe what you aren't comprehending is that the FBI was after a PIMP who was running a website. The calls to mongers were not to jam up the monger's for solicitation, but to collect evidence against the pimp. Perhaps there is more of this in the future as Federal Prosecutors build their case and compels testimony of customers captured on tape? Of course, the mongers could lie to Federal Officials and deny sex occurred and then get jammed up when the Pimps go-pro videos prove otherwise? When you have a dude, who picks up girls in one state, drives them across state lines to do "dates", controls when or IF the girls work, takes money from them and in some cases requires them to have video taped sex with him in order to get a job (oh & he posted on his website one video where he was urinating on the girl) me thinks LE is going to use more than a few techniques and resources to get the guy regardless of what anyone has heard!

I don't understand why a dude who is trying to help & add to the conversation as to assist other mongers has to have their veracity challenged. If one studies the background they will see I am taking some level of risk by posting here. I could just say * you and let you continue on with your beliefs which apparently in this case are flawed. Sigh.

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[I] [b]WHFT investigation. [/b]
I was just contacted by someone claiming they are a detective building a case and wanted to ask me questions. UGHHH I stated I would rather speak with him with a lawyer present and that I would need to verify his credentials. This is fawked! [/I]

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?7289-Escort-Reports&p=4229509&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4229509.

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[I] Yes same here I received a call yesterday wanting to know more about x and everything that was happening. Its not looking good I got a attorney today. [/I]

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?7289-Escort-Reports&p=4229752&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4229752.

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[I] [b]Investigation [/b]
He said he was just interested in X but I felt super uncomfortable talking about any of that without having a lawyers advice. I told him I will call him back after I could verify his info. Ughhh has anyone else been called? [/I]

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?7289-Escort-Reports&p=4229814&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4229814.

Since LE reads these threads, any number of LT mongers have disappeared, gone underground or whatever, but no longer post! I suspect more were contacted that a) are not members on this site or b) who thought it prudent to NOT post on the threads that they had been contacted, or perhaps were advised by counsel not to post anymore.

So if one reads the affidavit that LE filed in support of warrants there one can see various LE techniques:

* the use of on-site surveillance of the motel room & pimps house.

* tracking devices on cars.

* access to FaceBook emails.

* access to bank accounts and banking records.

* pole cameras to record pimp & girls coming & going as well as mongers and their license plates.

* a fake prostitute (UCLE / decoy) doing "dates" in an adjacent room to get pimp's interest (it worked).

* traffic stops after dudes completed their dates.

* LE reading posts here on usasg and using those posts as "evidence" in support of the affidavit and.

* the pimp's use of a go-pro camera in the room to record dates!

[URL]https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14999144/united-states-v-xavier-lees-residence-located-at-5-hickory-lane-elkton/[/URL]

See Doc 3, the pdf file!

Then dudes reported on the USASG forums that they had been contacted. So everyone is free to draw their own conclusions and take actions or just blow it off as "can't happen here. " One thing I know about the hobby is that it involves some level of risk and everyone is free to make their own evaluation: ignore the risks or take actions to minimize the risks. So in my view the risk exists regardless of whether anyone has heard of it or not. Anyone can parse this and discount it as they wish. Me thinks this is quite sobering information.

Good luck mongering! Stay safe!

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;4344041]Not sure why the truth isn't believed!

[URL]https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14999144/united-states-v-xavier-lees-residence-located-at-5-hickory-lane-elkton/[/URL]

See Doc 3, the pdf file![/QUOTE]You are a long time poster in another state, I started to go through your posts to find links to posts claiming calls from popo but just don't have the time, thank you for links. That request for search warrants was an interesting read. Wonder what made them go after this guy after being around for a decade. Also see why you have a personal interest in the case. Another example of why "agencies" may be a thing of the past.

This conversation should probably be moved to general reports or news / media rather than the BB forum.

[QUOTE=GiilsonWH;4343683]Just because the girl doesn't offer bbbfs anymore doesn't make her less enjoyable nor a bad person. After all it's for her own safety as well as for everyone else. I honestly prefer girls who don't openly advertise bbbfs. Too many risks involved.[/QUOTE]Taking BBFS off the menu and simultaneously raising rates is a sure sign that they've learned that fucking raw is worth more than they were previously charging. Because they now have regulars that they can milk for more frequent visits and / or more cash. I have had this happen to me fairly recently by a couple of first rate CIP girls, both hot and both great performers, who are sisters who I inseminated several times, both in solo and threesome sessions. Then, out of the blue, they doubled thir rates for me, and took raw fucking off the menu. Of course that does not make them bad peope! But for me, it does make them less enjoyable--in fact, as far as I'm concerned, without fucking them raw, it would just not be enjoyable at all. So I've never gone back. Different strokes for difference folks.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;4344041]Sounds fishy to you? LOL! I dunno, whenever I "think" I know something in the hobby is when it teaches me a lesson! Just because I have never heard of any of this doesn't make it false! But hey if one wishes to operate on that basis, no skin off my teeth! I'm just saying.

Oh wait! It just hit me, someone who is LE friendly would have an interest in dissuading others from paying attention to these techniques and tactics! After all if too many take heed, then LE will have to come up with new techniques!

Maybe what you aren't comprehending is that the FBI was after a PIMP who was running a website. The calls to mongers were not to jam up the monger's for solicitation, but to collect evidence against the pimp. Perhaps there is more of this in the future as Federal Prosecutors build their case and compels testimony of customers captured on tape? Of course, the mongers could lie to Federal Officials and deny sex occurred and then get jammed up when the Pimps go-pro videos prove otherwise? When you have a dude, who picks up girls in one state, drives them across state lines to do "dates", controls when or IF the girls work, takes money from them and in some cases requires them to have video taped sex with him in order to get a job (oh & he posted on his website one video where he was urinating on the girl) me thinks LE is going to use more than a few techniques and resources to get the guy regardless of what anyone has heard!

I don't understand why a dude who is trying to help & add to the conversation as to assist other mongers has to have their veracity challenged. If one studies the background they will see I am taking some level of risk by posting here. I could just say * you and let you continue on with your beliefs which apparently in this case are flawed. Sigh.

1.

[I] [b]WHFT investigation. [/b]
I was just contacted by someone claiming they are a detective building a case and wanted to ask me questions. UGHHH I stated I would rather speak with him with a lawyer present and that I would need to verify his credentials. This is fawked! [/I]

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?7289-Escort-Reports&p=4229509&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4229509.

2.

[I] Yes same here I received a call yesterday wanting to know more about x and everything that was happening. Its not looking good I got a attorney today. [/I]

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?7289-Escort-Reports&p=4229752&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4229752.

3.

[I] [b]Investigation [/b]
He said he was just interested in X but I felt super uncomfortable talking about any of that without having a lawyers advice. I told him I will call him back after I could verify his info. Ughhh has anyone else been called? [/I]

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?7289-Escort-Reports&p=4229814&viewfull=1[/URL]#post4229814.

Since LE reads these threads, any number of LT mongers have disappeared, gone underground or whatever, but no longer post! I suspect more were contacted that a) are not members on this site or b) who thought it prudent to NOT post on the threads that they had been contacted, or perhaps were advised by counsel not to post anymore.

So if one reads the affidavit that LE filed in support of warrants there one can see various LE techniques:

* the use of on-site surveillance of the motel room & pimps house.

* tracking devices on cars.

* access to FaceBook emails.

* access to bank accounts and banking records.

* pole cameras to record pimp & girls coming & going as well as mongers and their license plates.

* a fake prostitute (UCLE / decoy) doing "dates" in an adjacent room to get pimp's interest (it worked).

* traffic stops after dudes completed their dates.

* LE reading posts here on usasg and using those posts as "evidence" in support of the affidavit and.

* the pimp's use of a go-pro camera in the room to record dates!

[URL]https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14999144/united-states-v-xavier-lees-residence-located-at-5-hickory-lane-elkton/[/URL]

See Doc 3, the pdf file!

Then dudes reported on the USASG forums that they had been contacted. So everyone is free to draw their own conclusions and take actions or just blow it off as "can't happen here. " One thing I know about the hobby is that it involves some level of risk and everyone is free to make their own evaluation: ignore the risks or take actions to minimize the risks. So in my view the risk exists regardless of whether anyone has heard of it or not. Anyone can parse this and discount it as they wish. Me thinks this is quite sobering information.

Good luck mongering! Stay safe![/QUOTE]I never said it was "false", sir. Nor am I challenging your veracity. Please re-read what I said. I said the idea of LE calling to "interview" potential targets was fishy and I still think its fishy. And I will continue to think it is fishy until I talk to someone directly that it happened to. I did scan thru that court docket, but it is very long, so I very well might have missed any parts of it that says that LE contacted the "witnesses" by telephone. If anyone has time, please cut and paste the part that says that, if it is there, because I could not find it.

But I did find the part where they used USASG in the warrant application, and Cephlapod's posts! And in seeing that, I DID indeed learn something! I do v ery much appreciate this info, and I think everyone sould read that court docket. So, thank you sir! I also saw the part where LE came to the "witness's" home. THAT as I understand it, is the usual LE methodology--NOT making phones calls to residences.

But I'd still like to hear from those dudes that claimed that they they got such calls from LE. Again, I'm not saying that this is false. What I am saying, is that so far, to my knowledge, the reports of such calls are second hand and we all know how innacurrate second hand info can be. So I'd like to get the info from the horse's mouth, in order to try to determine for myself, what may or may not have really happened. Because if they really are doing this, then the deteriorstio of our constitutional rights may have progressed furtje than I was aware of. In which case, not only posting on this site is a risk! If they are calling people's homes and disrupting mongers' marraiges, etc, then we've reached the point that just existing in this society is itself a risk.

The two posters that actually posted that they had been called by LE were DragonFlyJones with 3 posts and Pacoow 12 with 15 posts at time of their "Investigation" posts on April 12,2019. Other posters on that Board questioned their veracity.

I read their posts. Sounds like total BS, or someone is scamming them. They both said the cops called them, and were asking about a certain person "X". The cops assured them both that they were only investigating "X". Must have been the FBI, because no legitimate, competent law enforcement official is going to say that, particularly over the phone. LOL. I am calling total BS by those two posters.

[QUOTE=KingOfFours;4344389]I never said it was "false", sir. Nor am I challenging your veracity. Please re-read what I said. I said the idea of LE calling to "interview" potential targets was fishy and I still think its fishy. And I will continue to think it is fishy until I talk to someone directly that it happened to. I did scan thru that court docket, but it is very long, so I very well might have missed any parts of it that says that LE contacted the "witnesses" by telephone. If anyone has time, please cut and paste the part that says that, if it is there, because I could not find it.

But I did find the part where they used USASG in the warrant application, and Cephlapod's posts! And in seeing that, I DID indeed learn something! I do v ery much appreciate this info, and I think everyone sould read that court docket. So, thank you sir! I also saw the part where LE came to the "witness's" home. THAT as I understand it, is the usual LE methodology--NOT making phones calls to residences.

But I'd still like to hear from those dudes that claimed that they they got such calls from LE. Again, I'm not saying that this is false. What I am saying, is that so far, to my knowledge, the reports of such calls are second hand and we all know how innacurrate second hand info can be. So I'd like to get the info from the horse's mouth, in order to try to determine for myself, what may or may not have really happened. Because if they really are doing this, then the deteriorstio of our constitutional rights may have progressed furtje than I was aware of. In which case, not only posting on this site is a risk! If they are calling people's homes and disrupting mongers' marraiges, etc, then we've reached the point that just existing in this society is itself a risk.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Longjblues;4344477]The two posters that actually posted that they had been called by LE were DragonFlyJones with 3 posts and Pacoow 12 with 15 posts at time of their "Investigation" posts on April 12,2019. Other posters on that Board questioned their veracity.

I read their posts. Sounds like total BS, or someone is scamming them. They both said the cops called them, and were asking about a certain person "X". The cops assured them both that they were only investigating "X". Must have been the FBI, because no legitimate, competent law enforcement official is going to say that, particularly over the phone. LOL. I am calling total BS by those two posters.[/QUOTE]I'm not calling bullshit, as I've found that almost anything can happen with government "officials" that is not generally the norm. But in general, I think you are correct. I think they were either scammed, or perhaps the reports just got garbled in the translation on here, as frequently happens on these hobby boards.