The Prickyard

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3161062]You of all people really have no right to get upon your high horse and and preach about enabling. You know as long as a girl is putting out some poor slob is going to accommodate her. Once that dries up she is going rob or steal and lie to get it. Then there is always the poor schmuck that loves her and goes down with her. Addiction is a terrible thing but as long as she is breathing some guy is going to accommodate her. Before one starts casting stones just make your qualified to do it.[/QUOTE]I have been there and done it. I have enabled and have said it on multiple occasions on this board. Hell all [B][red]YOU[/red][/B] or Anyone has to do is read the "Ursula the Sea Witch Saga", link provided below. I am sorry I'm not as perfect as you John Hancock, but some of us actually learn by our mistakes. I really don't care about the poor slobs accommodating her, that is their choice and their risk. What I have a problem with is those that see them and then come crying to this board about how they were robbed, scammed or received poor service (which includes a myriad of things that make a provider GOOD not bad) etc. All I can do is warn others, tell it like I see it, heard it, felt it, know it and lived it. So if you don't think that having a relationship with an active addict for a year, then a recovering addict for 4+ years, being involved in NA and Nar-Anon makes me qualified then that's ok by me! I can't change others behavior any more than you can but I can modify my own behavior. Maybe you should inspect the stones you speak so highly of before you cast them upon this board!

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[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3161062]You of all people really have no right to get upon your high horse and and preach about enabling. You know as long as a girl is putting out some poor slob is going to accommodate her. Once that dries up she is going rob or steal and lie to get it. Then there is always the poor schmuck that loves her and goes down with her. Addiction is a terrible thing but as long as she is breathing some guy is going to accommodate her. Before one starts casting stones just make your qualified to do it.[/QUOTE]First of all I'm sorry that was inappropriate. First of all of if ANYONE on this forum FF does have the right to get on ANY horse and preach about this very subject. How is he NOT qualified? Him along with very few others on this board including A2 have time and time again expressed their views and also FACTS about providers and addiction. What makes one qualified? Personal experience? Helping providers try to get sober and actually helping them maintain a life with out a lifestyle of drugs and alcohol? Making sure other mongers know when certain providers have gone to a dangerous point and warning them for their safety as well as others? Having someone very close to them pass away or OD on them OR are you talking about someone with a degree that sees it daily?

The sad part is I will agree with you as long as " the girl " is putting out mongers that don't have respect for themselves or others don't care. Hell I mean why wouldn't you pay half of what a reputable provider charges in order to save some money regardless of what the experience is. Outcome is the same right? Why should anyone care about their health and safety. As long as you saved money in order to get your nut. I mean track marks or countless text messages or calls in the middle of the night which we see posts of time and time again shouldn't matter. (for those that don't know how I am I'm sarcastic as hell).

This has been a topic for quite some now. The ones that "brag " about the rate and experience are the very ones we see a rip off report a week later and we are supposed to feel what sorry for them? Addiction is a very emotional, mentally, physically exhausting disease that effects the person addicted and who surrounds them. The ones KNOWING they have a problem and still partake are not only enabling them but are as responsible for putting that needle in their arm which possibly could be the injection that kills them.

Happy Spanksgiving or receiving. Don't forget the tasty dark meat drizzled with gravy after a good stuffing!

[QUOTE=MayTag4040;3160932]Ok, I am a Newbie, so I will ask my dumb question here, hoping it is the right place to ask the veterans: I have only had one girl I dated that did a BBBJCIM, I really would like to try it again, because that was years ago. I have visited several providers who do CBJ. I am a little bit apprehensive for fear of a VD risk. (I am an unlucky bastard) Has anyone ever admitted or talked about getting anything from a BBBJCIM? I need some reassurance about the better providers. I would not risk with someone who just doesn't look healthy.[/QUOTE]Well, here's what I've learned over the years. Generally speaking, you'd most likely contract one of the following;.

HSV1, HSV2, or gonnorhea.

HSV1 is commonly known as a cold sore, and when active, can be transmitted to your gentleman's sausage, although it can be passed through viral shedding, meaning no sores are present, though It's not a common occurrence. HSV2 prefers the nethers region more than the mouth, but the provider could have contracted HSV2 from orally gratifying a Frank and beans, and by the same means, apply it to yours. Note that contraction through viral shedding is extremely uncommon in either case. I learned this all after a girl I was interested in blew into my breathalyzer. She commenced to telling me that she had HSV2 on her bearded clam., and although I never parked the beef bus in tuna town, I FREAKED OUT!! Went to my doctor and told him I think I got herpes. He laughed and said no you don't. I demanded to be tested. Nope, all clean. I was retested 6 months later. Still, all clean. But after that, I'd freak out after being intimate with anyone, knowing for sure in my head I had caught something, only to find out I hadn't.

You can contract gonnorhea from a females throat, although it's also very unlikely. Some males are asymptomatic, meaning they aren't aware they have it, though most will have painful urination, and sometimes a discharge. A dose of oral antibiotics will clear it up. Everything I'm telling you I researched after what happened to me, and occasionally again along the way to help alleviate the same fears you're having, and I'm sure everyone of us has had along the way. It's natural however, and nothing to be ashamed of.

So, anything is possible, and all things fun have their inherent risks, however, the more reputable providers are far less likely, and far more careful about themselves than the ones holding up the letters H, or SW. I can provide names of a few cars you can safely drive, and still walk away without a crash.

I've learned to be cautious, and not so paranoid, and trust my instincts, and so far, it's paid off. Hope this helps you, and doesn't send you running for the hills. Anyone else, please chime in!

Kyussfan.

[QUOTE=Kyussfan;3161430]Well, here's what I've learned over the years. Generally speaking, you'd most likely contract one of the following;.

HSV1, HSV2, or gonnorhea.

HSV1 is commonly known as a cold sore, and when active, can be transmitted to your gentleman's sausage, although it can be passed through viral shedding, meaning no sores are present, though It's not a common occurrence. HSV2 prefers the nethers region more than the mouth, but the provider could have contracted HSV2 from orally gratifying a Frank and beans, and by the same means, apply it to yours. Note that contraction through viral shedding is extremely uncommon in either case. I learned this all after a girl I was interested in blew into my breathalyzer. She commenced to telling me that she had HSV2 on her bearded clam., and although I never parked the beef bus in tuna town, I FREAKED OUT!! Went to my doctor and told him I think I got herpes. He laughed and said no you don't. I demanded to be tested. Nope, all clean. I was retested 6 months later. Still, all clean. But after that, I'd freak out after being intimate with anyone, knowing for sure in my head I had caught something, only to find out I hadn't.

You can contract gonnorhea from a females throat, although it's also very unlikely. Some males are asymptomatic, meaning they aren't aware they have it, though most will have painful urination, and sometimes a discharge. A dose of oral antibiotics will clear it up. Everything I'm telling you I researched after what happened to me, and occasionally again along the way to help alleviate the same fears you're having, and I'm sure everyone of us has had along the way. It's natural however, and nothing to be ashamed of.

So, anything is possible, and all things fun have their inherent risks, however, the more reputable providers are far less likely, and far more careful about themselves than the ones holding up the letters H, or SW. I can provide names of a few cars you can safely drive, and still walk away without a crash.

I've learned to be cautious, and not so paranoid, and trust my instincts, and so far, it's paid off. Hope this helps you, and doesn't send you running for the hills. Anyone else, please chime in!

Kyussfan.[/QUOTE]Immense help! I have had a visit with one well praised provider who I have the highest trust in but she is the only one. Most trips are to AMP's HJ's. I would appreciate any first class provider you know. Thanks from a nervous monger.

So I thought I'd throw this out and see what kind of responses I get.

A while back, a good friend and I were gabbing about nothing, when the conversation turned to male genitalia. He mentioned a fella he knew who was 82 years old, and still woke up with morning wood. I laughed and said good for him. Here's where I'm going with this. After dunking Don Haun down in the hole, and leaving the baby makers in Beaverville, Samuel Adams still remains at attention. He always has. Now not so much after an oral exam, but always after mounting St. Helen. I've been asked several times if I'm taking Viagra, which I'm not. Can't say I wouldn't, and that down the road I may need to, but not at the moment. Here's my point. I've probably only woke up with morning wood maybe twice in my life, where I'm under the impression it's normal for everyone else. Maybe I'm wired backwards or something. The girls don't seem to mind my problem, except that at my age, I'm more inclined to watch reruns of Top Gear than to continue on for round two! LOL.

Anyone who feels like chiming in on this, I'd love to hear from you!

Kyussfan.

I am a huge fan of kyussfan! All activities have inherent risks associated with them. Safety is relative to all people. Some enjoy BBFS with CIP while most will not even consider it. In the end it is up to you and the provider. You have to balance enjoyment with the safety risks associated with them. Educate yourself and be careful of the choices you make. Especially with whom you enjoy your time with.

Dave.

[QUOTE=Kyussfan;3161430]Well, here's what I've learned over the years. Generally speaking, you'd most likely contract one of the following;.

HSV1, HSV2, or gonnorhea.

HSV1 is commonly known as a cold sore, and when active, can be transmitted to your gentleman's sausage, although it can be passed through viral shedding, meaning no sores are present, though It's not a common occurrence. HSV2 prefers the nethers region more than the mouth, but the provider could have contracted HSV2 from orally gratifying a Frank and beans, and by the same means, apply it to yours. Note that contraction through viral shedding is extremely uncommon in either case. I learned this all after a girl I was interested in blew into my breathalyzer. She commenced to telling me that she had HSV2 on her bearded clam., and although I never parked the beef bus in tuna town, I FREAKED OUT!! Went to my doctor and told him I think I got herpes. He laughed and said no you don't. I demanded to be tested. Nope, all clean. I was retested 6 months later. Still, all clean. But after that, I'd freak out after being intimate with anyone, knowing for sure in my head I had caught something, only to find out I hadn't.

You can contract gonnorhea from a females throat, although it's also very unlikely. Some males are asymptomatic, meaning they aren't aware they have it, though most will have painful urination, and sometimes a discharge. A dose of oral antibiotics will clear it up. Everything I'm telling you I researched after what happened to me, and occasionally again along the way to help alleviate the same fears you're having, and I'm sure everyone of us has had along the way. It's natural however, and nothing to be ashamed of.

So, anything is possible, and all things fun have their inherent risks, however, the more reputable providers are far less likely, and far more careful about themselves than the ones holding up the letters H, or SW. I can provide names of a few cars you can safely drive, and still walk away without a crash.

I've learned to be cautious, and not so paranoid, and trust my instincts, and so far, it's paid off. Hope this helps you, and doesn't send you running for the hills. Anyone else, please chime in!

Kyussfan.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3155438]Being a good part of Humanity does. Paying them to leave or to leave you alone is also ok for those that hold the hobby creed close to the vest and it doesn't mean you don't have a heart. You and I don't hold the creed close as well as many of my friends on this board. Experience only helps in discerning the difference between giving and being taken. Even then a monger with a good heart has a tough time walking that line. I have been taken and still put myself in those situations with regret at times.

I have a very good provider friend who got very upset with me one day and asked me why I continued to help addict providers who didn't give two shits about me. She said I was a better person than that and I deserved better. I listened to her words of wisdom and sought out some counseling. In many ways she was correct. My constant behavior of trying to change some addict providers behavior drove her crazy. She didn't understand why guys saw unreliable addict junkies when good, honest, reliable providers like her were around. My actions combined with many mongers choices of cheap addict providers made her think she might as well relapse so she can expand her market share by getting the low dollar prices so many on this board seek out. I am working on changing my behavior, partially do to her insight. What many on this board will not admit to is many of us have some type of addictive behavior. Some here are hard core sex addicts but don't see any Addiction in themselves. That is one of the reasons some hobbyist's enable a drug addict because the hobbyist is some type of an addict themselves.

I have learned that sometimes giving and helping is better if focused in other areas than some addict provider. I am trying to channel my humanity in a different way. It doesn't change me it only has changed my behavior and choices. I think I always tried to help turn the next addict provider into what I was able to help Autumn Skyy with in realizing her true potential. Her loss to humanity was my loss and even when she was alive I was always trying to give back. She understood that, but my choices and actions still frustrated her at times.

So Don, the only advice I can give is to set your boundaries. The boundaries you set are your choice. Hold to those boundaries. Make them clear to those you are extending a helping hand. Re-evaluate the boundaries based on real experiences. You can't change who you are but you can modify your behavior. If you become a cold hearted customer that only takes or gives what you pay for that is your choice and nobody can blame or criticize you. It only means that is the boundary you established, it doesn't change who you are.[/QUOTE]As a longtime addict, you are dead on accurate in your observations FF. As always. I see a lot of addictive behavior of various mongers. I rarely post but have lurked on this board for the better part of a decade. As I have learned about myself and addictive attributes I have been able to see them more clearly in others. (Of course it's always much easier to see the addictive / poor behavior in others than it is to see it in yourself.) I time and again fall in the cycle of wanting to help someone who is not willing to help themself. Catch it. And end up ending the situation and moving on with much drama and pain to both of us. But in the end, it causes them to help themself, just as I did when those around me stopped enabling my behavior in exchange for a promise o that I would stop. Addictive behavior manifests in a myriad of ways, not just drug or alcohol use.

I am kinda new to this forum and I am not sure if this would be the correct place to put this but I just have really noticed a lot of providers having "No Black Men" on their ad. Can someone explain to me what's up with that? I am on the North East side and almost every providers ad that I see in my area has that on it. I mean is my money not as good as anyone elses? I have to stick to AMP's because they don't seem to care what color my skin is as long as my money is green. Oh and what really what takes the cake for me is that the black providers have that on their ad's almost more than the white providers.

[QUOTE=Major48;3169219]I am kinda new to this forum and I am not sure if this would be the correct place to put this but I just have really noticed a lot of providers having "No Black Men" on their ad. Can someone explain to me what's up with that? I am on the North East side and almost every providers ad that I see in my area has that on it. I mean is my money not as good as anyone elses? I have to stick to AMP's because they don't seem to care what color my skin is as long as my money is green. Oh and what really what takes the cake for me is that the black providers have that on their ad's almost more than the white providers.[/QUOTE]I sent you a PM Major. Race preference discussions are not allowed on open forum.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3169803]I sent you a PM Major. Race preference discussions are not allowed on open forum.[/QUOTE]Major, freckle master is correct. Race discussions are not allowed. He also is a highly regarded member on the forum and his word is just short of gospel. So, what ever advice he gave please take it.

Discussions on Provider preferences are allowed. Perhaps a provider on this forum can shed more insight. From what I understand, providers have preferences mostly due to safety concerns. Some screen lightly some screen heavily some don't screen at all. Some prefer incall some out. Some do CBJ some BBBJ. It may be difficult to find a provider but I would advise trying to get with a well known provider. She will have other provider friends and perhaps she can put in a good word for you. Some that screen will take references. Over time you can begin to branch out your network. It will take time and patience. Other seniors agree?

Dave.

[QUOTE=DaveRue;3169856]Major, freckle master is correct. Race discussions are not allowed. He also is a highly regarded member on the forum and his word is just short of gospel. So, what ever advice he gave please take it.

Discussions on Provider preferences are allowed. Perhaps a provider on this forum can shed more insight. From what I understand, providers have preferences mostly due to safety concerns. Some screen lightly some screen heavily some don't screen at all. Some prefer incall some out. Some do CBJ some BBBJ. It may be difficult to find a provider but I would advise trying to get with a well known provider. She will have other provider friends and perhaps she can put in a good word for you. Some that screen will take references. Over time you can begin to branch out your network. It will take time and patience. Other seniors agree?

Dave.[/QUOTE]The seniors have all come to learn that just like in life, anything that's worth having is going to take some time and investment. We all started out blind, and dumb, and unable to see the elite ones because we were both uneducated, and lacked the references needed in order to meet the good one's. With some hard work, you WILL be able to work your way up the ranks MAJOR48. And once you're able to get a referral, the skies the limit.

I've not only worked my way up to be able to meet these fine ladies, but I've actually become good friends with some of them.

Take Freckles advice, and you'll go far. And don't hesitate to ask us for help along the way!

Best of luck, Kyussfan.

[QUOTE=DaveRue;3169856]Major, freckle master is correct. Race discussions are not allowed. He also is a highly regarded member on the forum and his word is just short of gospel. So, what ever advice he gave please take it.

Discussions on Provider preferences are allowed. Perhaps a provider on this forum can shed more insight. Dave.[/QUOTE]First off PROVIDERS don't shed light about this unless it's generic otherwise it will get reported. Major based on the PM and I hope A2 will allow me some latitude on this and it's not race based but money and communication based.

I can't speak for the BP lower priced escorts as to all their preferences because I seldom, if ever, see them because of pharmacy issues. I do know for a fact that the mainstream middle to upper end providers will not haggle over price and are sick and tired of doing it. It makes no difference what race you are, they are tired of advertising a service, specifying the price of the service, providing the service and at the end [B]Haggling[/B] about the payment for the service. There are some mongers that always haggle in one way or another. They haggle at the initial contact, haggle when they arrive, haggle during the service and haggle at the end. Some even take the hourly rate, divide it by the number of minutes for the hour, then pay only for the number of minutes that they were there. It just plain and simply pisses off a reliable provider to get shorted or to haggle! Now maybe the lower end less expensive providers have experienced the same problems. I know of some mongers on this board, mongers of all races, that have been blacklisted because of haggling. Some providers, based on experience, have learned that certain types of people and certain types of communication only present problems at the time of service so they prefer not to see them.

My suggestion to anyone that wants to see a provider who has something specific in their ad that you can't meet is to contact them anyway and be honest with them about who you are and why you want to see them. Ask them if they will still see you if you comply with their price and rules. All they can say is NO, but at least you tried.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3170000]First off PROVIDERS don't shed light about this unless it's generic otherwise it will get reported. Major based on the PM and I hope A2 will allow me some latitude on this and it's not race based but money and communication based.

I can't speak for the BP lower priced escorts as to all their preferences because I seldom, if ever, see them because of pharmacy issues. I do know for a fact that the mainstream middle to upper end providers will not haggle over price and are sick and tired of doing it. It makes no difference what race you are, they are tired of advertising a service, specifying the price of the service, providing the service and at the end [B]Haggling[/B] about the payment for the service. There are some mongers that always haggle in one way or another. They haggle at the initial contact, haggle when they arrive, haggle during the service and haggle at the end. Some even take the hourly rate, divide it by the number of minutes for the hour, then pay only for the number of minutes that they were there. It just plain and simply pisses off a reliable provider to get shorted or to haggle! Now maybe the lower end less expensive providers have experienced the same problems. I know of some mongers on this board, mongers of all races, that have been blacklisted because of haggling. Some providers, based on experience, have learned that certain types of people and certain types of communication only present problems at the time of service so they prefer not to see them.

My suggestion to anyone that wants to see a provider who has something specific in their ad that you can't meet is to contact them anyway and be honest with them about who you are and why you want to see them. Ask them if they will still see you if you comply with their price and rules. All they can say is NO, but at least you tried.[/QUOTE]Ok I understand. Also a provider inboxed and told me about some experiences and reasons why they do that and it really gave better perspective on it.

[QUOTE=DaveRue;3169856]
Perhaps a provider on this forum can shed more insight.
Dave.[/QUOTE]I myself have asked that on women's forums as I too have seen AA providers also post that. I was told that sometimes that is because a pimp is involved and they don't want anyone possibly luring away their "property". Sometimes it's because of the mostly a myth BBC. I would say oftentimes it's simply the presentation in the clients approach to the provider and the urban lingo that isn't well received. And as FF said it is the cheap haggling. Once you or anyone else suggest less than my posted rate you have already indicated that you do not value my time at the rate I feel comfortable offering and at that point I feel disrespected and have no desire to see you. Now that goes for ALL that do that, not just AA.

And then a major reason is because something went wrong and one guy ruined it for everyone else. Possibly being rough or otherwise disrespectful. I used to see black men and some are some of my best clients and I will continue to see them. But the black guy that despite my screening that decided to rob me in Cedar Rapids blew it for any new black men at this time.

Another thing is body chemistry. Due to skin and hair products many black men have a different scent that some find unappealing. But then again other races don't understand that BO is a no.

I agree with Kyussfan. Reach out, present yourself as a literate person that respects and understands that we choose to do this as a profession and that we aren't just some ho and you may find a taker. And yes there is a circle of friends amongst providers and getting in with one may very well open doors.