"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Magic Rat;1209755]I've had exactly what you describe with one sb. The one I mentioned having some trouble getting rid of. The first 2-3 times were what we're looking for. Fun, good sex, no drama. This is also the only local sb I've seen. Then it started. Will you get me a pack of cigarettes and drop them by my house? I need to buy a book for school, I'm behind in my daycare payments but I promise I'll fuck you for free for 2 weeks all you want (which never happened of course). When I cut her off, she threatened me with blackmail basically. I took a deep breath and just told her we were done and she had to do whatever she had to do. Told her I wasn't responsible for her financial troubles and it had ceased to be fun for me. Fortunately I haven't heard from her in several months so I think I'm in the clear on that one..[/QUOTE]The girl who just asked me for more sugar was one of those who had not even mentioned sugar before opening her pussy. So what gives with all these after the fuck coming back for more sugarbabes? I wonder if it's a symptom of the same reason they don't ask in advance. They don't see themselves as pros. Therefore they don't ask in advance. Once they have spread their legs for you, maybe they then try to prove to themselves they are not pros but true girlfriends / mistresses / sugarbabies by coming back and asking for more. I don't know.

[QUOTE]It goes without saying gents, be careful out there. While some of us do have conversations with our sbs, don't give up too much information where they can find you. Use a throwaway cell phone, pay for meals in cash. More than once I've paid with a credit card and the "friendly" server when he brings the check has said "thank you and have a good day Mr. Rat". Bingo! Now they know you're name assuming you use your real first name. Probably better not to even do that. As our friend Literal said, there's always risk unless you want to give up the (strange) pussy, and I'm not ready for that as I'm currently working on harvesting 2 new sbs, and have another one I've seen a couple times that is so hot to trot it's ridiculous. The good part about that is I don't really give a shit if the other 2 work out or not as I have options. Kind of like going to a strip club for a drink and to look at naked women, knowing you're going to get some pussy in an hour or so from a sb / escort.[/QUOTE]This is good advice regarding cell phones and restaurants and pretty much what I do. How about your car, Magic? Do you worry about her tracing the license plate? I don't know how hard that is to do.

I like to have back-up sugarbabes available to force myself not to get tangled up with one girl psychologically as well as replacement vaginas in case target vagina disappears. It's not always so easy, but that's my goal.

Lit,

I don't really worry about them getting the tag number. If they're going to do that, they probably have a friend in LE or something. As we said, the only way to avoid all risk is to not play at all. I do what I can to minimize after a couple of bad experiences.

Currently I have 2 sbs I'm seeing and working on 2 others. I'm an old guy so I can't juggle too many. Seems 2-3 at a time is about right. Plus it sure helps to already have something when you do meet up with a new potential fuck partner. I'm meeting up with one tomorrow and although her pics look great, I can take her or leave her as I have the other 2 to fall back on. It's nice to be able to be selective.

This is good advice regarding cell phones and restaurants and pretty much what I do. How about your car, Magic? Do you worry about her tracing the license plate? I don't know how hard that is to do.

I like to have back-up sugarbabes available to force myself not to get tangled up with one girl psychologically as well as replacement vaginas in case target vagina disappears. It's not always so easy, but that's my goal. [/QUOTE]

I have been reading all this. Got to laugh a little. I'd be willing to bet most of us are all doing the same ones. As far as I go. After seeing them a few times I'm DONE. Moving on to next. Lit knows me. I helped him get started. I have used these sites for approx 5 yrs now and I'm guessing I have met and done about 25 off of them. Keep in mind if they are paid for puss. Those are hookers to. Just my 2 cents

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1211347]The girl who just asked me for more sugar was one of those who had not even mentioned sugar before opening her pussy. So what gives with all these after the fuck coming back for more sugarbabes? I wonder if it's a symptom of the same reason they don't ask in advance. They don't see themselves as pros. Therefore they don't ask in advance. Once they have spread their legs for you, maybe they then try to prove to themselves they are not pros but true girlfriends / mistresses / sugarbabies by coming back and asking for more. I don't know.

[/QUOTE]Lit, I believe that SBs start from a different place mentally then the pro. The pro puts a value on her pussy and that's what she asks for. Ultimately the market will determine what she gets but it's about her pussy.

The SB comes from how much her need is. How much she needs to connect from how much money she has to how much she needs to pay her bills. Yes, she knows she's using her pussy to get it but she's not ready to put a price tag on it. In her mind, she's not a pro but a women who needs help and in return for getting that help shows her gratitude by opening her legs.

The pro doesn't ask for more if she gets what she asks. The SB ask for more because she's still trying to pay her bills and you are someone who has demonstrated the ability to help her do it. That's what I think.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1211199]Damn, Cool. You are on a roll. Come on, you can take half an hour out of your schedule to fuck this little sugarbaby.[/QUOTE]I have three others that seem ready that I'm trying to get to the fucking chamber. On the top of my list is the 41 yr old nurse MILF. I want to see if an older one can be more stable. It appears that a NSA fucking is just as important to her as the sugar. She's never mentioned sugar. She's ready but with her job and my limited availibility the scheduling is proving difficult.

Is the 27yr old who didn't want a purely sexual relationship ready? This is the last message she sent me;"I have a strong craving for you. Anything you want to do to me is alright with me." NO mention ever of sugar. Go figure.

[QUOTE=Obx Fun;1211539]I have been reading all this. Got to laugh a little. I'd be willing to bet most of us are all doing the same ones. As far as I go. After seeing them a few times I'm DONE. Moving on to next. Lit knows me. I helped him get started. I have used these sites for approx 5 yrs now and I'm guessing I have met and done about 25 off of them. Keep in mind if they are paid for puss. Those are hookers to. Just my 2 cents[/QUOTE]Laughter is the best medicine, o wise one. You are right, you were doing these girls before most of us, certainly before me. Thanks for getting me started. And, just my view, occasionally even wise ones may not count all the hookers in the sea 100 percent correctly. But who knows? Rock on, brother.

[QUOTE=Coolhand2; 1211627]I have three others that seem ready that I'm trying to get to the fucking chamber. On the top of my list is the 41 yr old nurse MILF. I want to see if an older one can be more stable. It appears that a NSA fucking is just as important to her as the sugar. She's never mentioned sugar. She's ready but with her job and my limited availibility the scheduling is proving difficult.

Is the 27yr old who didn't want a purely sexual relationship ready? This is the last message she sent me;"I have a strong craving for you. Anything you want to do to me is alright with me." NO mention ever of sugar. Go figure. [/QUOTE]Stability can be good. Makes sense to me. As for the 27 year old, I would say she is holding herself wide open for you.

[QUOTE=Magic Rat; 1211442]Lit,

I don't really worry about them getting the tag number. If they're going to do that, they probably have a friend in LE or something. As we said, the only way to avoid all risk is to not play at all. I do what I can to minimize after a couple of bad experiences.

Currently I have 2 sbs I'm seeing and working on 2 others. I'm an old guy so I can't juggle too many. Seems 2-3 at a time is about right. Plus it sure helps to already have something when you do meet up with a new potential fuck partner. I'm meeting up with one tomorrow and although her pics look great, I can take her or leave her as I have the other 2 to fall back on. It's nice to be able to be selective. [/QUOTE]Sounds like the sensible way to avoid disappointment.

In my case, Little Miss give me Some More Money After you've Fucked me seems to have accepted my refusal. We shall see.

[QUOTE=Coolhand2;1211605]The SB comes from how much her need is. How much she needs to connect from how much money she has to how much she needs to pay her bills. Yes, she knows she's using her pussy to get it but she's not ready to put a price tag on it. In her mind, she's not a pro but a women who needs help and in return for getting that help shows her gratitude by opening her legs.[/QUOTE]Yeah I think this is probably right. Those who insist on treating sbs as pros miss out on a lot of hot steaming vaginas because they don't understand the dynamic. They all wind up fucking the same girls. All the better for us.

Are you all truly paying for this site and if so is it worth it.

I've been unable to contact CSB7 since our meeting. She no longer answers email's and has not been on the SB site since the day we went to the fucking chamber. Before that she had been very active there. The only phone number I had for her was at the house where she lived with her friend and the friend's mother. I called and the mother answered the phone (first time that happened) and asked me not to call back.

My theory is that she is suffering from "buyers remorse,". Since she has not been on the SB site I'm assuming that she is not looking for other SD's. I believe this condition has been brought about based on two things or a combination of both. One is coming to grips with the idea that she had sex for money. (I'm a HO). The second is that the mother knew she had no money, goes out with a man and comes back with cash. (You're a HO). She then gives CSB7 a fair amount of grief which causes the realization that she just had sex for money and causes her to reject the whole scene. Either way, it's a shame.

Well I've had a Lit kind of week. Two new SB's to report on.

CSB8 is my 41 yr old nurse MILF.

We had been texting and emailing for a couple of weeks but I had been unable to schedule anything which would have allowed me to see her. She had a off day Monday so I proposed she drive here to spend the afternoon with me. I offered to take care of her child care and transportation expenses. There had not been any discussion of sugar at anytime. Much to my surprise, she agreed. She did voice concern the morning of that I would get her here and leave her hanging. Assured her that I only wanted to be with her. I procured a fucking chamber and a bottle of champagne and proceeded to wait for her arrival. She arrived right on time and we proceeded to talk and drink the bottle. She was exactly like her pictures; attractive with a lean body and really nice breasts. What was obvious as we proceeded was that she was more then ready. By the time the panties came off I could have wrung them out and filled a glass with her fluids. I believe that wanting a good NSA fuck was as high on her agenda as the sugar. Proceeded to have a fun afternoon of hot wet steamy sex. I slipped a envelope in her purse as we said our goodbyes. I'm sure her drive back was not as comfortable as her drive down. She later told me that she felt I had been genereous and she appreciated it very much.

Next day met CSB9, my 27 yr old Navy girl. She's far enough away not to be local but close enough that I don't have to use one of my meeting excuses to get a pass from the warden. Again no discussion of sugar before the meeting. She arrived at the FC and was not interested in a lot of preamble. She was short with a tight body. Not a beauty, but presentable. Very aggressive sexually. It was like she wanted to make sure that when we were done I had nothing left. She was successful; I had nothing left. Slipped the envelope with the sugar into her purse; said good-bye and crawled back to my car. All in all, the best SB week I've had.

More great reports by Cool. Obviously he is becoming very skilfull at our hobby. Practice makes perfect and he's getting lots of pratice.

As for me, my pace has slowed as I've been enjoying the heck out of repeatedly fucking SB18.

Hey guys, I am new to the area and have enjoyed your entertaining reports. Thanks for your extensive research and development.

Historically I am a Monger of the E. Com variety but am leery of the risk of busts which are happening too often.

Therefore I started exploring the SD site because of you all.

I have seen about 10 SBs in the area from Richmond to Va Beach, and have had mixed experiences. All of which are listed here by you contributors.

I too have met four (4) types of girls :

1) The Desperate Poor. These chicas are a little step up from SWs. Desperate, either drug addicted or single mom poor with no support and unable to get child care and go to work. They have no money, no benefits, no support from anyone and earn what they can selling their one and only marketable asset. These few I've seen are monumentally poor planners and can not (will not) think beyond the next cash infusion. They have all hit me up for money in between visits and I. Being a nice guy and sucker. Gave them some with the promise that they will pay me back with services. And they have all (100%) robbed me when I advance them money by not putting out and disappearing. The interesting thing is they just disappear- they stop answering texts, calls, etc. Never to be heard from again. Often their profile disappears from SD also, to pop up under a new name. I know this because their pics are the same. I might be dumb but I'm not stupid. This has been said before by Lit or Cool I believe, but DO NOT GIVE THESE TYPES OF GIRLS ADVANCE PAYMENT. Or just consider it a gift and your cost / fuck is just higher. A teaser advance has failed for me too. I gave a girl 50 with the promise to discount the date. Well you all know what happened. I had three successes in this catagory. Success defined by a repeat fucking of more than 6 visits. But in the end they all screwed me and disappeared.

2) Escorts. These girls are self explanatory and when I find out they are advertising. Particularly on BP, I leave them, because the risk is the same. What if a bust is set up and you happen to meet her during that time? Also they seem to have an inflated sense of worth. One girl offered me a deal (because I have a cute accent). Of only $700 / hour instead of her usual $1000. I LOL ed, I don't know what kind of rates you guys are paying but I try to stay around the BP hourly rate. Maybe a little more for a longer session if she is willing to hang out for the evening or spend the night. Several in this catagory were one timers. If I want an escort I will see her off of a reputable site. I used to like E. Com but.

3) The Sportster. These usually are the young girls. Some in school, but many working salon jobs, waitressing, stripping. Who need some extra spending money to make ends meet or buy the frills. I met two in this group. One was a stripper and she was a crossover between cat 1 and 3. SHe was hot, fucked my brains out, but then vamoosed without an adios. Nada! My feelings were hurt! . Guess she found a more generous donor. The second is ongoing and she is draining my bank account because I am seriously in lust with her. She is off the site and exclusive for now.

And 4) The MILF. This group are generally 30-50 yr olds who want / need a lover and are not concerned about the money. The first one answered my question.". What do you expect from our time together?" by answering. Nothing but a good lay. I was stunned! Three of these women have attended my fucking chambers (thanks lit or cool. Whoever coined that phrase) , and all were wild fuckers, not real experienced, but GRATEFUL LOL. It is true! These older girls don't get the attention from their partners, and the younger guys are not interested either. Unfortunately, all three were moms, a little chubby. Which I don't like, and I just wasnt into them. Free or not. So they each lasted from 1 to 3 dates and I let them go. I will no longer pursue this group I was curious but I like the young hard body hotties myself.

So, there you have it! I look forward to reading more about the exploits of all you fuckers on here, and learning about the game.

As a final note. I promise my future entries won't be quite so long- I have found that escorts are cheaper and easier. But. There is an attraction and thrill to the chase that this sport brings to the table.

Good analysis, Hernando. Your report shows the wide variety of females that can be accessed as sugarbabes. I haven't tried other dating sites much, so I really don't know, but my belief is that the amateur females just looking for a NSA fuck are primarily looking for physical attraction. Now that I think of it, this is exactly what I was told on the AM site (the one that advertises "life is short, have an affair") by a woman who was trying to get my photo. At the time, I wasn't giving out my photo and I tried acquiring pussy through am For a while. I didn't have any luck. So I concluded that on the NSA sex sites, the girls are looking for hot guys. Which I'm not. On the sb sites, the girl is there for sugar and wants a photo to see if you are revolting. If you aren't she is likely to be willing to fuck you in expectation of the sugar if you play your cards right.

In some people's view, this makes all the sbs hookers. The word used this way is really a moral judgment and not an occupational description. Fine with me, but in my case, I'm looking for the honeypots who do not consider themselves to be in the business of hooking. They are fresher, juicier and more into fucking for pleasure than girls who know that fucking is their daily work.

As for your categories, I've only opened pussy from girsl in 1 and 3. Most have been a combination of 1 and 3. I did waste a lot of email time with a Eurobabe who wanted $1k for 90 minutes (so she was obviously category 2) because she was so damn hot but then sb4 (category 1) came along with her perfect ass and drained off enough semen so I could think straight and I dumped the Eurobabe.

My current sb is a 23 year old student with a lot going for her. She seems to be like one of Golf's girls or maybe the one you are currently in lust with. Oddly enough, I don't think she's desperate for sugar and somehow I have no problem staying emotionally detached from her although I do love to try to get my face up her vagina while my dick is way down her throat.

My mistake.

The classifications sound about right although there are variations. Personally, I've had the best luck with the MILF's who need the sugar for various reasons. My favs have had jobs, but either they don't make enough $ or they have unusual expenses they can't cover with their paycheck. They're generally not getting enough / any, are appreciative, separated or divorced, and ready to fuck your brains out. The danger is that they want to latch on to you and maybe want something more than what we met them for, so one must always be aware of that. Hasn't been an issue for me so far but one has to be careful.

I had one drink with an AM girl.incredibly hot 33 yr old spinner (I am considerably older) and we got along beautifully, but she blew me off the next day. I was probably too old for her liking even though I am told I can pass for 40ish. Since then I haven't had any luck. But.I only invested $$ to communicate with them, and did not display a face pic. I think these girls want a fuck buddy and aren't into the money.so they need to be attracted to you in some way. I might try again with pics (see the next post)

Lit seems to have dominated the market for sex appeal without pics.I think I remember correctly. I must not be as good a writer of romantic prose to lure these babes in without a picture.

Therefore I started using pictures selected by an escort friend that look incredibly like me (she says.as well as all of my meets) I know fake pics are not well thought of but our (monger's) biggest complaint is not that the pics are fake, but that they do not look at all like the person in real life. Therefore I have been very successful so far and have had compliments on my photos. So my advice.unless you feel comfortable putting your real self out there on the world wide web (see Anthony Wiener and how well that worked out for him) get a girl friend to do the same for you. After all, we want the girls to "know" how we look without exposing ourselves to discovery by The Warden, The Boss, or your Mother.depending on your priority.

One of my MILFS fell deeply in "love" with me after one date and texted, called, and emailed me constantly. It was pretty scary and I had to let her down softly since she had some identifying stats on me and took multiple calls, reassurances that she is attractive, etc.

This goes to the point made before about revealing personal info about yourself. If you are going to have a longer term relationship with them.it will be hard not to share personal tidbits. If you are into a one hour fuck.and pay enough.they don't care who you are (see classification # 1 in my previous post about the types of girls I see)

It did give me perspective on some of my girls who dumped me.remember.by just disappearing. I wanted an explanation and texted them, called.a few times anyway. Now I know not to do that anymore. Many do not have manners at all but you can not force them to communicate with you. When they are done with you.they are done.

But who's counting?

Met a 21 yr old spinner last night for a night of mind blowing, wall banging, screaming her brains out soprano sex.no pre-meet references, drinks, or courting of any kind required. The damage was $$.5 including room. I was actually afraid that the notel keeper was going to call the police since we were right near the reception desk. She is a college girl and no discussion was had about $ before or afterwards. We spent hours together and multiple pops were available.the only limits were my inability to perform for round 3. I wish I started in my 30's, I'd be up to SB # 2000 by now LOL. With all of these tasty morsels available to us, why in the world would any of us ever get married? She is my ATF and I will concentrate on her unless she runs.

SB #10 continues to be a pain in the azz. I am talking her down since I don't want to do to her what these low lifes have done to me.that is.disappear.

SB #9 was a 5'10" slavic beauty who I beaned for 2 visits to the notel for $$ plus room. She just wanted to fuck and refused cuddling after-just fuck and go. I usually like more intimate contact but I told her I could do that. It didn't seem to matter how long it took before orgasm, but once I popped.that was it. She up and left.I'm sure she got a better offer, cause I seemed to take care of her business pretty well according to the decible level.

SB # 8 Stripper spinner from catagory 1 and 3.fucked her 3 times with a lot of non sex dates in between. She had a super hot body. 7 face, but was very nonreactive during sex. I could tell she was enjoying the sensation since I heard little grunts and groans and watched her facial expressions, but she was emotionally closed and disappeared after expending a lot of effort trying to prep her for a long term affair. I think she ran because she did not want emotional involvement. Damage was $$ plus room. Could have been money too but I don't see her as a $$$ plus performer.

Great work Hernando, keep it up. You get much better bang for the buck than I do and some of your babes sound like prime rib to me.

So far this week I've received three requests for extra money and two requests for another good fucking from previous sugarbabes. Unfortunately I just want to get back inside my 23 year old student and shoot some more sperm into her. Call me crazy.

I think Hernando has it down pat.

I met up with my current favorite sb recently for an extended session. With a lot of coaxing, sexiness, and talent she was able to coax pop #3 out of me as I collapsed into a sweaty heap on the bed. At this point, I've decided to make her the sole recipient of my sd talents and gifts as I'm not much of a multitasker like you guys are. Of course that could change with one text / email as we all know.

I am ultimately a one girl guy.it is just so hard to find that right girl who is emotionally in tune with me. I have found that girl.college girl.but I am also practical enough to realize that the party might end (and will end) some time down the road, and I will be back on the prowl.

I have thoughts about three mentalities of girls re:SB motivation and would be interested in knowing your opinion as well :

1) Young girls 18-30 .tend to be less personal about sex.the "hook up " mentality we read about that did not exist when I went to college (Damn it!) They are less likely to get emotionally invested and just enjoy fucking on a lark and out of curiosity .more like men.with as many as they can, and therefore are less likely to stick with one partner. ;

2) middle youth #1-39 . Tend to be survival oriented.usually have kids, and usually fall into my cat. 1 and / or 3.

And will line up as many SDs as possible for the income; and

3) MILFs 40 plus.who frequently want a partner to play with.usually one at a time-and not always into the money.

This is sort of a modification of my experience SBs to date.

Greetings all, I'm not sure how I stumbled upon this thread, but I'm so glad I did. I'm transitioning from the AMP scene. After reading many many reports and a little guidance from another Senior member. I've decided I'll try this out for a few and see how I like it.

So I took the plunge and signed up for one of the sites, I think it's the cheaper of the main 2. Not as professionally made but effective none the less. In less than 24 hours of paid membership, I have a 29 year old SB #1 on deck. Money hasn't been discussed, but I've been given examples of previous SD behavior.

I'll update you all after the first conquest. For a reference point, this will be in the DC / MD / VA area and I'm going to try to keep my gifts in reasonable range.

Fake pic is the way to go. Keep it reasonable and realistic. Then have the real pics in your AM keys. I've had lots of luck with AM. None were bothered with the fake pic. They seemed to appreciate my cautiousness and were happy with the real ones.

I use the same method for the SD site and again no problems. Having a fake pic, gives them a chance to like you based on what you say, then later how you look isn't much of a issue. As long as you are close in looks to the fake pic.

[QUOTE=Hernando;1219258]I had one drink with an AM girl.incredibly hot 33 yr old spinner (I am considerably older) and we got along beautifully, but she blew me off the next day. I was probably too old for her liking even though I am told I can pass for 40ish. Since then I haven't had any luck. But.I only invested $$ to communicate with them, and did not display a face pic. I think these girls want a fuck buddy and aren't into the money.so they need to be attracted to you in some way. I might try again with pics (see the next post)[/QUOTE]

It's great to see new participants.

Brothers of usasg! Are you tired of chasing ho's, skanks and dried out, wrinkled up, over-used professional pussy? Then add a sugarbaby or two to your inventory of fuckables!

They're fresh, sweet and hot. We won't tell you exactly who they are, but we'll tell you how to find them and how to open their delicious little pussies once you do. Rtff for the successful and unsuccessful tech deployed by your fellow mongers in their sb quests. Share your experiences with us to broaden our collective skill.

In the last couple of days we've learned for the first time about using look-alike fake photos. Frankly, it had never occurred to me.

'Nando and Tigger are the latest examples of mongers using correct tech to find and fuck the sugarbabe type of utr. Cool is fucking so many babies he barely has time to post anymore. Golf has been doing babies with his suave and restrained style since before I knew there were utrs. Some others have been around sbs for a long time but never explored the full possibilities. Others may have given up the chase forever. When we started this thread, there were lots of comments about how hard it was to contact an sb, how they were all escorts masquerading as amateurs, how it took so much effort to fuck one after you'd found her, and so on. We've come a long way since then.

We can now say with confidence there are a whole lot of mongers out there opening up genuine sb pussies. Is this the beginning of the end of Sex Prison?

I encourage everybody interested in this subject to continue posting their successes and failures. The failures are just as important to discuss and analyze as the successes, because we can learn from them. Phony chest thumping is discouraged. Real chest thumping is encouraged and expected. Disclosure of the details of failure helps your fellow sb mongers and who gives a shit on an anonymous sex forum about concealing failures?

I posted a set of guidelines a while back as an A to Z of how to find and fuck sbs and I'm sure by now there are some good modifications available. I hope other successful sb mongers do the same thing.

As for me, I'm trying something new with an sb which may succeed or fail. First, I am keeping pent up spermatozoa within limits by accessing my SB 18 regularly. So if I fail at my next project, I'm still getting laid.

I am returning to an sb I fucked once in a wham bam style (her preference). I think the girl is bi, or maybe prefers lesbos. Maybe that's why she uses her cute little ass with me in such a mechanical way. So I'm asking her to bring along a friend next time and let me fuck both of them while they are also fucking each other. I'll let you know what happens.

BTW, I'm glad to hear Tigger has done well with AM. I wish he'd post some tech. For example, does sugar come into play at all? I worked AM for a few weeks but got nada.

Hernando raises some interesting points. I want to think about them and then reply.

Also, I wish somebody other than me would post an actual sb photo on this thread.

Dot com- I had one MILF success, but has generally been a bust. Most of the girls seem to be young. 18. 24 yr old.and very few will even answer my query.even with a good pic posted. Some of the pics are TGTBT and are probably shills $$ does not seem to be the predominant motivation although I'm sure they wouldn't turn down a gift. I think I am too old for this crowd.

My MILF was upper 30's.prob more like early 40's, beautiful face, chubby body.I'd say she is a 9 face. 5 body. 9 personality. 9 performance. If she lost her baby weight she'd be a 9 across the board. We spent two night together and she was a horndog.and I fucked her brains out. But.after our last night together.she bolted, saying that she was reevaluating her situation (marriage, kids, etc) However, she is still on there anonymously and says she likes young stuff.so who knows? If you are under 40 and run across her she might give you a run.

There is another crossover on Fling who is also on SD, and I can't get her to bite. We have talked back and forth but she is on both sites constantly and says she is a nympho and is a MILF type.looks pretty hot.

One girl answered me hotly when I offered her some help and said she is not about sex.really? On a site named Fling? WTF do they think a fling is?

Lets get some more actual sb pix online. I prefer to conceal details that could identify the girl or location (for privacy purposes), so unfortunately that often means beaver and butt shots. Fortunately, I like beaver and butt shots. BTW, it can be tricky getting a utr to allow you to take these. If some others participate and are interested we can discuss how to convince a sb to allow you to spread her legs and take a photo.

Here's a couple more that haven't been uploaded before. They were taken a while ago on a trip out of state.

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[QUOTE=Magic Rat; 1220863]I think Hernando has it down pat.

I met up with my current favorite sb recently for an extended session. With a lot of coaxing, sexiness, and talent she was able to coax pop #3 out of me as I collapsed into a sweaty heap on the bed. At this point, I've decided to make her the sole recipient of my sd talents and gifts as I'm not much of a multitasker like you guys are. Of course that could change with one text / email as we all know. [/QUOTE]Holy Shit, three pops! I haven't been able to do this for several decades. Can anyone here past 60 shoot three loads into a girl in one session?

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1220881]I have thoughts about three mentalities of girls re:SB motivation and would be interested in knowing your opinion as well :

1) Young girls 18-30. Tend to be less personal about sex. The "hook up " mentality we read about that did not exist when I went to college (Damn it!) They are less likely to get emotionally invested and just enjoy fucking on a lark and out of curiosity. More like men. With as many as they can, and therefore are less likely to stick with one partner. ; [/QUOTE]This is often true in my experience with the under 25 girls, unless they already have children. Over 25, I find they are already getting a little desperate about settling down (what is it with women for chrissake?) and their emotional baggage is already starting to build up.

[QUOTE]2) middle youth #1-39 . Tend to be survival oriented.usually have kids, and usually fall into my cat. 1 and / or 3. And will line up as many SDs as possible for the income; [/QUOTE]I assume you mean 31-39. I find these are mainly your cat 1 (desperate for support). While several of mine have been actively looking and have horror stories about really fucked up bad dudes masquerading as sds and giving the rest of us a bad name, they have all wanted just one sd at a time. Whether they line up more than one at the same time I can't say. I just know what they tell me. The younger ones have the most opportunity of course and I'm assuming they have more than one sd than me, especially since I always tell them I'm not going to support them. They usually don't bring the subject of other sds up and I don't ask.

[QUOTE]and

3) MILFs 40 plus. Who frequently want a partner to play with. Usually one at a time-and not always into the money.

This is sort of a modification of my experience SBs to date. [/QUOTE]I haven't run across anyone like this. The one 39 year old (thats what she said anyway) sb I've fucked was really slick and open in the pussy when her panties came off it is true and desperately wanted me to be the one guy for her, but she was very sugar focused and it took me a long time to get her to be reasonable about it. She was highly skilled though. Damn.

[QUOTE=Hernando;1221366]My MILF was upper 30's.prob more like early 40's, beautiful face, chubby body.I'd say she is a 9 face. 5 body. 9 personality. 9 performance. If she lost her baby weight she'd be a 9 across the board. We spent two night together and she was a horndog.and I fucked her brains out. But.after our last night together.she bolted, saying that she was reevaluating her situation (marriage, kids, etc) However, she is still on there anonymously and says she likes young stuff.so who knows? If you are under 40 and run across her she might give you a run.[/QUOTE]I have only had one sb drop me and she said it was because she needed more sugar. I tend to be generous and get less bang for the buck but it keeps them available when I want them. My other girls all ask for more cum. One exception I thought was my little redneck truck driver who showed up in the fucking chamber exhausted from her two jobs and famished from not eating during her long drive to spread her pussy for me. I ejaculated in her mouth, and when she didn't contact me again I thought she didn't like it. But recently she's been back in touch, still working hard at her jobs, still hoping for another orgasm from her original sd. I believe all my sbs but one are still available to me if and when I want them. Even the wham bam girl pesters me all the time for another fuck, though she can't be that into it. It's not that I'm a hot young dude, that's for sure. I'm not revolting I guess. I do know how the females of our species like to have their bodies treated and what makes them climax, but last, not least, I'm generous with the sugar.

Nando's had a lot of success and I'm grateful he's described his sbs and the aftermath. From what he says I am concluding that an sb won't stay with a sd just for sex, no matter how good it is. You have to pour an adequate amount of sugar on her to keep her coming back for more cum.

Anyway, that's my view.

Therein lies the problem.Lit hit the nail on the head.

I budget $1-2 000 / month to play depending on the quality of babies available to me, so if I oversupply one girl the volume goes down. I require about 2-3 dates / week, so I have to be careful with each one. And I like to have $ left over to buy gifts and treats on top of the envelope at the end of the night.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1221427]I haven't run across anyone like this. The one 39 year old (thats what she said anyway) sb I've fucked was really slick and open in the pussy when her panties came off it is true and desperately wanted me to be the one guy for her, but she was very sugar focused and it took me a long time to get her to be reasonable about it. She was highly skilled though. Damn.[/QUOTE]Been busy lately so I haven't contributed much, but thought I'd confirm this, at least to an extent.

The last two SBs I've met were a mid-40's escort and a 50-yr-old nurse. The escort is probably THE best fuck I've ever experienced, consistently. Petite, super tight everywhere, skills for days, and an "honest digger" (see my previous post on classifications of women as sex partners.) But she's all about the sugar, and she's gone out of town a lot.

The 50-yr-old is purely in it for the sex. She's not looking for commitments or "dating", and other than my covering her gas when she drives across town to see me, she doesn't expect sugar tho' she does appreciate the occasional gift of lingerie or wine. She's got a bangin' body for her age and the fact that she's had multiple kids - obviously not the tight, toned body of a much younger girl, but there's a lot to be said for a body that's been well lived in, as she certainly knows how to use it, and a wonderful attitude makes up for a lot. Given a Megan Fox-style body occupied by a snotty, self-possessed attitude, or some sag in the tits and ass but real, honest appreciation for the fucking I give her, I'll take the latter every time. And on top of it she has a brain and can carry on an adult conversation.

The other 40- and 50-somethings I've met tend to match this 50-yr-old. Not all - just exchanged emails last night with a 43-yr-old blonde in VB, found on the SD4Me site, who's pretty attractive but made it clear that she's hurting financially and is all about the sugar - but a little careful reading of profiles and emails will let you weed those out.

[QUOTE=Cantwinlosin; 1189407]Many years ago I read one of those "How to pick up girls" books. Most of the book was bullshit, but one part of it has always stuck with me, and it kind of correlates to Spitfire's "scale line". The book documented that sexually there are 4 types of women: the Honest Digger. The woman who just loves sex for sex's sake, without any need to assign emotional baggage to the act; the Sexual Barterer. The woman who primarily sees sex as something to trade to get her physical, emotional and / or financial needs met; the Hung Up About It. The woman who has significant moral, emotional or psychological issues associated with sex, to the point that it significantly inhibits or prevents her from enjoying or even having it or it affects those other emotional / psych issues; and the Physically Incapable. The women with injury, deformity or condition that makes sex physically impossible or too painful to perform. There is some overlap in groups. A Barterer may have specific hang-ups against specific sex acts or styles, etc. But in general the Barterers make up the largest group, followed by the Hung-Ups in a disturbingly large second place, third are the Incapables, and by far the smallest group is the Diggers. The book was written in the 80's, but I see no reason to think that classification system or the percentages have changed materially in the 30 years since.

Long long ago in a galaxy far far away, I was young, single, decent looking, and worked steadily as a performing musician in a fairly large metro area for a few years; it was a time when I never went home alone if I didn't want to. Out of the hundreds of women I've bedded in my life, I can say that I've known exactly 2 that were true Diggers. The rest were Barterers and / or Hung-Ups. It's an iron-clad fact that any woman you meet where sex is the primary determinate from the start will be a Barterer, but it's important to remember that she probably has Hang-Ups too. The trick is to determine as early as possible what her needs and hang-ups are, so you can cater to the former and avoid the latter. [/QUOTE]CWL knows whereof he speaks, fellow sb mongers, Here's an earlier post to show you what I mean.

"Hundreds of women." I said damn me once before and I'll say it again. Damn me.

CWL appears to be leading the charge into the ranks of older sbs. I'm glad to hear there's so much potential out there. I just haven't tried them yet.

I once visited a strip club with 60 year old strippers. The deal was they did a bump and grind right on top of your drink, crotches one foot from your face. It was the worst experience I ever had in an sc. Well, wait a minute. There was one young chubby girl there. Early twenties and desperate. After I told the grannies to beat it, I beckoned her over. The grannies stared at her threateningly, but she took me in a back room with a folding chair (yes this place was a DUMP) and pulled my hand into her bikini so I could finger fuck her. This was nice enough, but then she wanted support payments and etc. Etc. Etc. I never went back.

L2,

Keep in mind this "session" lasted about 8 hours LOL. The first 2 were pretty easy, but I had to work at the last one. With my determination and her talented mouth, success was achieved. BTW I'm not 60 yet but pretty damn close!

[QUOTE=Literal2;1221420]Holy Shit, three pops! I haven't been able to do this for several decades. Can anyone here past 60 shoot three loads into a girl in one session?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Magic Rat; 1221587]L2,

Keep in mind this "session" lasted about 8 hours LOL. The first 2 were pretty easy, but I had to work at the last one. With my determination and her talented mouth, success was achieved. BTW I'm not 60 yet but pretty damn close! [/QUOTE]You should set up an education seminar with your sb leading and we all bring our atf sugarbabes.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1221321]Cool is fucking so many babies he barely has time to post anymore. [/QUOTE]Lit, I'm still here. Just trying to catch up with you.

With that in mind; yesterday I met for the first time with CSB10. 25 yrs old. 5'7, shoulder length hair, nice body and great tits. We communicated extensively on SD site, starting texting and then went to private email. She moved here from out-of state to help out family, couldn't find work and was now strapped for cash. The amount of sugar never came up in any of our conversations, only she wanted to be sure that there would be sugar. She sent additional pictures by email, all fully clothed, that accented her best features. I did not provide a picture, only my usual description. The text messages got pretty steamy and at times down right raunchy In a word, she seemed TGTBT. She's been ready to meet for over a week but yesterday was the first time I could schedule a trip. She agreed to meet me at the fucking chamber. When I answered the door the girl in the pictures was standing in front of me. Big relief. She was a little apprehensive so we sat down on the couch to talk. (For 1st meetings, I try to get a FC that has a couch as well as a bed.) After a while she relaxed and after a little make out session she was more then ready to get it on. Very aggressive once she got going and, as she had told me, she loved oral. There were times when my dick disappeared down her throat for several minutes at a stretch, that I wondered if I was ever going to see it again. She loved DATY, and could contort that sweet young body into any position I could think of. Her pussy was nice and tight and pumped out enough fluids to rival the Mississippi at flood stage. Just the right amount of "dirty talk" to keep me excited and trying to break her in half. These 20 somethings are something else. After about 3+ hours, I had to head back and as she was getting dressed I slipped the envelope into her purse. She never looked at it but thanked me as she left. She is a keeper.

Met CSB8 (41 yr old nurse, MILF) for the second time today. She was clearly there to fuck and suck and be eaten. She was so much more relaxed then the first time and was totally, totally into it. A very nice ride which built very nicely on the first. There's something to be said for the MILF when they relax and get into it. Another positive there were no requests for sugar in between our meetings. There were a couple of comments about how hard she was having it but no requests. A definite keeper as well.

Greetings everyone. I stumbled upon this thread by searching for a potential Russian rip off that was mentioned here (I think the girl is actually real). Anyway, I'm new here, but not new to the SD / SB scene. I have been on and off the SDforme dot com site for 4 years now. I don't bother to search for SBs in strip clubs, AMPs or Craigslist (now Backpage) areas, because these girls are truly either pro, lesbian, addicts, maniacs or plain unapproachable. Too much time for too little gain. These are great for the quick fuck, but nothing more. Having said that, Rhode Island is paradise for AMP or sc fucks.

Brief opinion on the thread title: amateurs or not? Someone posted the perfect definition and mentioned that the girls sway more or less to either side, which I find very true. I found and have been with numerous pro girls who use these sites to find new regulars (which they prefer over daily new ones) and immediately offer to meet at a fuck chamber with immediate start of "spoiling" (read: well defined donation) but I also found a 22 yo girl who just got on the site by recommendation and we dated exclusively for 6 months (well, almost exclusive on my part, ahem). I broke it off because her immaturity got on my nerves and she lived 150 miles away, killing spontaneity, otherwise this could have been a true LTR.

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1220881]I have thoughts about three mentalities of girls re:SB motivation and would be interested in knowing your opinion as well :

1) Young girls 18-30. Tend to be less personal about sex. The "hook up " mentality we read about that did not exist when I went to college (Damn it!) They are less likely to get emotionally invested and just enjoy fucking on a lark and out of curiosity. More like men. With as many as they can, and therefore are less likely to stick with one partner. ;

2) middle youth #1-39. Tend to be survival oriented. Usually have kids, and usually fall into my cat. 1 and / or 3.

And will line up as many SDs as possible for the income; and

3) MILFs 40 plus. Who frequently want a partner to play with. Usually one at a time-and not always into the money.

This is sort of a modification of my experience SBs to date. [/QUOTE]I found Hernando's post interesting, but have somewhat different experience. In New England, where I roam, I find the desperate woman in all age ranges, starting from 18 to 45, women who can't get their life together because they either really hit one hard time after another or, more commonly, never learned how to get it together or, also common, are plain uneducated.

I agree that the 18-25 range hooks up much more impersonally, but also gives it up much easier. Desperation seems to change from purely financial needs in the really young range to financial plus emotional desperation, because women between 25 and 35 start to realize that they are on a loosing track. The 35-50+ range finally is something I always wondered about, why they even start out on a site like that, until someone told me that they search for real dates and LTRs, but want someone successful, experienced, worldly, well off and without baggage. Makes sense. But that is the age range that I taste the least often. I am in my early 50s and I crave young pussy. 18 is just fine with me. My preferred range is 18-25, but I do venture out up to 40 from time to time, if the girl looks really good or, just as good, has big natural tits. There is no such thing as too big, there is only too small. .

I have 2-5 girls in contact at any given time when I'm active and get at least one date per week out of it, and up to daily if I push it (which I find rather exhausting). I enjoy the non-pro SB chase to some extend (it's a bigger feeling of success) and don't mind starting with a platonic date, take her out for dinner and chit chat. I am not good looking at all, balding, too much belly, but I am genuinely nice, smile a lot and make the girl the center of attention, listen rather than talk and I keep my word, which is a powerful persuasion. I am also upfront and honest ("whereas I understand that we won't hop into bed right away, I would be dishonest if I didn't admit that I do want a physical relationship". Gets me laid every time). If girls don't respond to my approaches, they find me too unattractive (or they are true gold diggers looking for $3g+ a month). I found that this approach puts them at ease and they almost always find me very nice, tell me that I'm way different than the average guy on that site. I'd say that my overall score is about 80% getting laid within the first 2 dates, if I don't break it off after #1. No serious money spent at that point in most cases. Sometimes I take them shopping but I never pay upfront for a lay unless the girl is really worth it (but never in cash, always through shopping or such).

I'll close my introduction with my latest SB, a 19 year old black girl who is 7 months pregnant (yumm! When she texted me to ask if her pregnancy would be a problem, I could hardly contain myself and managed to get a calm "not at all my dear" out). A couple more weeks and I will savor some dairy and I'm really looking forward to streams of that once she popped. Good looking girl, the firmest tits I've had in a while, tight, patient, good and deep oral skills and once she's done, she'll have her banging body back, which she showed on the site. Stays overnight with me for the equivalent of a pro donation. We text almost each day, she surprises me with sexy pictures and I wake her up with a "good morning, Sunshine!". A very promising start, looking forward to Saturday. <smile

Stay safe, be nice. You'll find me more often here.

We might have a SB interested in meeting some of our friends and not know it (more likely) or we might have friends we think would be interested in her. Each of us is reluctant to bring the subject up.

I've never gone down this path myself and wouldn't. There's only one way for it to turn out but several ways it could backfire. With women things are unpredictable. The status quo could certainly change in the eyes of someone.