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[QUOTE=NotMe00;4218205][URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/04/03/robert-kraft-sex-spa-case-fake-bomb-threat/3354549002/[/URL]

This is fantastic. Mainstream media finally noticing that Jupiter PD pissed all over the Constitution. Kraft fighting back might actually alter the landscape here. I'm honestly thinking the end result here is potentially all charges thrown out, and then Kraft hopefully sues them.[/QUOTE]They throw out the charges and then if he sues and wins and the Jupiter country then has to pay him costing them millions in tax payer dollars would be the ultimate pipe dream. I pray for this to happen because then all other cities and states will learn a valuable lesson and while it might not lead to changes in the law, will discourage them from investigating AMPs in the future.

[QUOTE=GripNSip;4219351]They throw out the charges and then if he sues and wins and the Jupiter country then has to pay him costing them millions in tax payer dollars would be the ultimate pipe dream. I pray for this to happen because then all other cities and states will learn a valuable lesson and while it might not lead to changes in the law, will discourage them from investigating AMPs in the future.[/QUOTE]Whether or not Kraft collects damages, it's my hope that there's a substantive legal ruling that slaps down LE's tactics. For example, using the pretext of "trafficking" when the most that was going on was garden-variety prostitution, most of which would only be considered misdemeanor level violations. Ruling that LE was fundamentally wrong to leap to the conclusion that a refrigerator and sleeping area were true signs of trafficking. And, of course, the other tactics like the bogus traffic stops, the fake bomb threat to install the covert cameras, and the use of covert cameras without exhausting other investigative avenues. It would be nice if the court would find some kind of constitutional violation, but I'm not holding my breath on that because we're talking about Florida State courts here, not Federal ones.

But I guarantee you that LE all over the US will be watching this case to see how things turn out. If these tactics are allowed to stand, then other LE departments will absolutely copy them. Likewise, if all or some are struck down, then LE will be on notice against this kind of abuse.

[QUOTE=GripNSip;4219351]They throw out the charges and then if he sues and wins and the Jupiter country then has to pay him costing them millions in tax payer dollars would be the ultimate pipe dream. I pray for this to happen because then all other cities and states will learn a valuable lesson and while it might not lead to changes in the law, will discourage them from investigating AMPs in the future.[/QUOTE]Hopefully, at the very least it would mean tactics such as installing cameras under the guise of a bomb threat would no longer be tolerated. The Patriot Act wasn't supposed to be used on mongers. Actually, I'm not sure it's doing well with terrorists either, but that's a discussion for another time.

If I were a citizen of the Jupiter area and facing the possibility my taxes would soar to pay for the damages in any lawsuit, I'd be ready to get rid of the politicians and police chief immediately if not sooner.

Here's an interesting post from Reason discussing how Uncle LEO is continuing to use the term "sex trafficking" when such trafficking apparently doesn't exist. This doesn't directly concern the hobby; it concerns actress Allison Mack's guilty plea Monday to racketeering charges stemming from her alleged activities with the NXIVM cult. In exchange, prosecutors dropped sex trafficking charges against her.

[URL]http://reason.com/blog/2019/04/09/allison-mack-racketeering-reason-roundup[/URL]

Prosecutors are now admitting there was no evidence of sex trafficking in the Robert Kraft case. Why am I not surprised?

[URL]https://deadspin.com/prosecutor-theres-no-evidence-of-sex-trafficking-in-th-1834008710[/URL]

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;4230583]Prosecutors are now admitting there was no evidence of sex trafficking in the Robert Kraft case. Why am I not surprised?

[URL]https://deadspin.com/prosecutor-theres-no-evidence-of-sex-trafficking-in-th-1834008710[/URL][/QUOTE]Prosecutors are using the lame argument that, because there supposedly was "evidence" of possible trafficking, that gave them justification to conduct bogus traffic stops, install covert cameras, etc.

IMHO, what Kraft's lawyers need to do is shove that argument down their throats by showing that the "trafficking" narrative was entirely fabricated by LE and unsupported by any objective evidence.

As I understand it, real trafficking requires that victims either be underage (thereby unable to give legal consent) or else be forced or intimidated in some way. Nothing I've seen in the affidavit, or anything released by LE, is remotely close to that standard.

IIRC, the whole case in Jupiter started with a phone call from a neighboring LE agency that essentially said "Hey, we've got trafficking going on in our area and we think you do too. "which shows there was an assumption of trafficking, from the very beginning, and everything LE did was manipulated and crafted to support that assumption.

Fingers crossed that Kraft's lawyers make them choke on their own BS.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/13/us/google-location-tracking-police.html[/URL]

If you read the above article, while also keeping the Jupiter AMP case in mind, it doesn't take much imagination to see how personal privacy is increasingly at risk. Technology continues to develop pervasive and intrusive tools to track and monitor individuals, but we've allowed it because we think our laws and courts will prevent those tools from being used improperly.

When prostitution was merely prostitution, usually a misdemeanor level offense, use of those tools weren't permitted. What's new is the tactic of classifying EVERYTHING as trafficking (or "possible" trafficking), which means all bets are off and the full toolkit of the surveillance state can be used against you. And the media wh*res are fully onboard.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;4230627]Prosecutors are using the lame argument that, because there supposedly was "evidence" of possible trafficking, that gave them justification to conduct bogus traffic stops, install covert cameras, etc.

IMHO, what Kraft's lawyers need to do is shove that argument down their throats by showing that the "trafficking" narrative was entirely fabricated by LE and unsupported by any objective evidence.

As I understand it, real trafficking requires that victims either be underage (thereby unable to give legal consent) or else be forced or intimidated in some way. Nothing I've seen in the affidavit, or anything released by LE, is remotely close to that standard.

IIRC, the whole case in Jupiter started with a phone call from a neighboring LE agency that essentially said "Hey, we've got trafficking going on in our area and we think you do too. "which shows there was an assumption of trafficking, from the very beginning, and everything LE did was manipulated and crafted to support that assumption.

Fingers crossed that Kraft's lawyers make them choke on their own BS.[/QUOTE]I sure hope so. I hope Kraft not only wins this case, the cops are left with no choice but to dismiss all charges against other defendants. Then maybe our outdated laws concerning consenting adults behavior can finally be revised.

Evidently Uncle LEO forgot sage advice offered by the late Benny Hill some years back. I know I've shared this video somewhere in the forum previously, but it's worth sharing again.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6jaKkE0RsI[/URL]

I'm enjoying the fact that a south Florida massage parlor owner has connections to both the Mar-a-lago spy and a Trump inaugural ball. And where does the money come from, and where does it go to? Maybe nothing to it, but it's an interesting connection. [URL]https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/missing-inaugural-ball-money-adds-layer-to-odd-trump-china-story-1490789955614[/URL].

A Florida judge has blocked the release of the surveillance video of Robert Kraft's alleged visit to the Florida MP. Hopefully this video never sees the light of day.

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-prosecutors-set-release-police-surveillance-video-patriots/story?id=62461763[/URL]

From the story:

"Nearly three dozen men and women have filed a federal class-action lawsuit accusing Florida authorities of unlawfully videotaping them as they received legal massages at a parlor where New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft and others allegedly paid for sex ".

[URL]https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/04/22/customers-videotaped-at-kraft-connected-spa-sue-authorities/[/URL]

So the tables have turned. Let's hope the plaintiffs prevail.

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;4243899]From the story:

"Nearly three dozen men and women have filed a federal class-action lawsuit accusing Florida authorities of unlawfully videotaping them as they received legal massages at a parlor where New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft and others allegedly paid for sex ".

[URL]https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/04/22/customers-videotaped-at-kraft-connected-spa-sue-authorities/[/URL]

So the tables have turned. Let's hope the plaintiffs prevail.[/QUOTE]Legality of the surveillance aside, I'm kind of interested in how the police would have made their case.

They already admitted they only recorded video, not audio. So the seemingly easy defense would be to say the money paid was for a legal massage. The sex was just a free act between consenting adults. If they had audio and recorded the negotiations, things might be different, but as it stands, it seems difficult for the police even if they prove the surveillance was legal.

[QUOTE=Wp212;4244084]Legality of the surveillance aside, I'm kind of interested in how the police would have made their case.

They already admitted they only recorded video, not audio. So the seemingly easy defense would be to say the money paid was for a legal massage. The sex was just a free act between consenting adults. If they had audio and recorded the negotiations, things might be different, but as it stands, it seems difficult for the police even if they prove the surveillance was legal.[/QUOTE]Overzealous amateur hour. If I were a local in Jupiter, I would be complaining to city hall about the waste of dollars in this venture plus the payouts for the lawsuits. Sure, the city's liability insurance would like cover it, but it would affect future premiums and bond ratings.

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;4243899]From the story:

"Nearly three dozen men and women have filed a federal class-action lawsuit accusing Florida authorities of unlawfully videotaping them as they received legal massages at a parlor where New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft and others allegedly paid for sex ".

[URL]https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/04/22/customers-videotaped-at-kraft-connected-spa-sue-authorities/[/URL]

So the tables have turned. Let's hope the plaintiffs prevail.[/QUOTE]I hope those people get paid big time. A lot of people, men and women, went there to get legitimate massages. Now their videos are a part of public record and could be released based on the Florida open records law.

[QUOTE=Wp212;4244084]Legality of the surveillance aside, I'm kind of interested in how the police would have made their case.

They already admitted they only recorded video, not audio. So the seemingly easy defense would be to say the money paid was for a legal massage. The sex was just a free act between consenting adults. If they had audio and recorded the negotiations, things might be different, but as it stands, it seems difficult for the police even if they prove the surveillance was legal.[/QUOTE]They'd show the video, and other evidence, to a jury of 12 average citizens and ask them to decide if the $ paid was only for massage and the sex act was given for free. Sounds good, in theory, but I wouldn't buy that explanation as a jury member and I doubt most people would. Even if you believe, as I do, that prostitution should be legalized, the evidence is clear and convincing that masseuses and clients were engaged in illicit activity.

What's not clear and, IMHO, is completely bogus, is whether there was any trafficking involved. And that's a critical point because that's the rationale LE used to convince the judge to authorize the warrant for the covert cameras. As I understand it, the arguments being made by Kraft's lawyers are hammering LE on exactly this point. If they inflated or mischaracterized things in their affidavit, it's possible the video, and anything else the warrant produced, could be thrown out. That's what I'm hoping for, as a reasonably positive outcome. Prostitution and AMP stings will never stop but what LE can't be allowed to do is to label everything as "trafficking" and thereby justify their use of the most egregious, excessive and intrusive investigative techniques.

Falls Church police busted a massage place two blocks down the street from the Asian crapshoot location I visited over the weekend.

[URL]https://fcnp.com/2019/04/23/2-arrested-after-inappropriate-touching-at-falls-church-massage-business/[/URL]

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;4245049]

What's completely bogus, is whether there was any trafficking involved. And that's a critical point because that's the rationale LE used to convince the judge to authorize the warrant for the covert cameras. As I understand it, the arguments being made by Kraft's lawyers are hammering LE on exactly this point. If they inflated or mischaracterized things in their affidavit, it's possible the video, and anything else the warrant produced, could be thrown out. That's what I'm hoping for, as a reasonably positive outcome. Prostitution and AMP stings will never stop but what LE can't be allowed to do is to label everything as "trafficking" and thereby justify their use of the most egregious, excessive and intrusive investigative techniques.[/QUOTE]The true battle in this case is labeling this crime as trafficking or standard Prostitution. Or in other words, a felony vs a misdemeanor. Trafficking is a serious crime, prostitution is not, and therefore getting the ability to use video surveillance to try and prove said trafficking but only finding evidence that reveals run of the mill prostitution is what makes this evidence illegally obtained by police and therefore thrown out of this court legal battle.

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;4246806]Falls Church police busted a massage place two blocks down the street from the Asian crapshoot location I visited over the weekend.

[URL]https://fcnp.com/2019/04/23/2-arrested-after-inappropriate-touching-at-falls-church-massage-business/[/URL]
[/QUOTE]Apparently some butter cup didn't like the fondling he received, LOL!

Creepin.

[QUOTE=Creeping;4247681]Apparently some butter cup didn't like the fondling he received, LOL! Creepin.[/QUOTE]Over 50% of the Yelp reviews of this legit spa are female. I suspect it was a she who complained. A while back a similar complaint and associated lawsuit was lodged against Massage Envy.

Irregardless attention on the industry is not welcome as it may raise community concerns about other locations.

[QUOTE=Madness322;4249461]Certainly gives a bad view of the history your favorite therapist might have endured and an aspect of the industry we don't talk about.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/02/us/massage-parlors-human-trafficking.html[/URL][/QUOTE]It's an amusing article. Makes some interesting points, and while I agree, some of these therapists endure hell. But let me play devils advocate here. What I find funny, is the person they interviewed said that she was glad to get out of the massage parlor business but they don't explain what she does after. Maybe she's in a good spot. Many of these therapist "get out" of the business because they are lucky enough to find some rich monger who puts a ring on it and they get to find a life that mirrors the tale of Pretty Woman. Or they accrue enough money over their longevity that they can afford to get out (most though become mama-sans themselves and open their own businesses). The truth is most of them aren't victims, but let's pretend they are, and police come in and raid—-"rescue" them. What then? Let's assume they don't get tossed back into their home country where life wasn't too kind to them there otherwise let's face it they wouldn't be in this predicament to begin with. But assuming they stay. What job / life is there for them here? They can't just go find a real job with limited English and vocational skills. Even if you argue a job as a legit CMT. It's not sustainable nor lucrative. Hell I'm sure most of us struggle to keep our own homes and credit score in tact; the point is the "American dream" is exactly that. A dream. The real world is ruthless and I'm willing to bet for these ladies there's a fate far worse than yankin some old guys junk. We rush in to tear down a system without stopping to think what hell may wait to replace it.

[QUOTE=GripNSip;4249491]It's an amusing article. Makes some interesting points, and while I agree, some of these therapists endure hell. But let me play devils advocate here. What I find funny, is the person they interviewed said that she was glad to get out of the massage parlor business but they don't explain what she does after. Maybe she's in a good spot. Many of these therapist "get out" of the business because they are lucky enough to find some rich monger who puts a ring on it and they get to find a life that mirrors the tale of Pretty Woman. Or they accrue enough money over their longevity that they can afford to get out (most though become mama-sans themselves and open their own businesses). The truth is most of them aren't victims, but let's pretend they are, and police come in and raid-"rescue" them. What then? Let's assume they don't get tossed back into their home country where life wasn't too kind to them there otherwise let's face it they wouldn't be in this predicament to begin with. But assuming they stay. What job / life is there for them here? They can't just go find a real job with limited English and vocational skills. Even if you argue a job as a legit CMT. It's not sustainable nor lucrative. Hell I'm sure most of us struggle to keep our own homes and credit score in tact; the point is the "American dream" is exactly that. A dream. The real world is ruthless and I'm willing to bet for these ladies there's a fate far worse than yankin some old guys junk. We rush in to tear down a system without stopping to think what hell may wait to replace it.[/QUOTE]Is to find a worst-case scenario and try to generalize it to support the idea that it's happening the majority of the time.

Does trafficking happen? Absolutely it does! And LE should expend every resource to obliterate true and actual instances of trafficking. If a woman is tricked into working in an AMP, and kept working by threats and intimidation against herself or her family, then that's despicable and those responsible need to be thrown in prison and the key tossed away.

But, IME, the vast majority of AMP women are working voluntarily and, as you pointed out, making more $ than they otherwise could. With that $ they take care of their families, send their kids to better schools and then on to college, and further boost their local economies. And what's the downside of that proposition? Some horny mongers getting their stick-shift polished with what would otherwise be their beer and spending money? How does that negatively impact society?

But there are no splashy headlines in the real story. So we're stuck with both LE and the media looking for "trafficking" in every corner and under every rock.

[QUOTE=Madness322;4249461]Certainly gives a bad view of the history your favorite therapist might have endured and an aspect of the industry we don't talk about.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/02/us/massage-parlors-human-trafficking.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Some of those stories are sad if indeed true. However, much of the mainstream media have swallowed the stories that the anti-trafficking do-gooders have fed them. Too often they've become the propaganda arm for Uncle LEO and groups like the Polaris Project. I'd like to see the media practice real investigative journalism for a change and find out what's really going on with these women.

Let me state that I have no interest in seeing any provider who's in the business against her will, and I hope I haven't in the years I've been mongering.

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/us/robert-kraft-florida-spa-second-degree-prostitution-new-england-patriots.amp[/URL]

Need to see more details but it doesn't seem like this is a slam-dunk ruling against LEO. If future warrants successfully address the issues raised by the judge then maybe they'll be allowed, at least in Florida. On the bright side (pun intended) there's an interesting part in the article discussing the effect of turning off the room lights.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;4273435][URL]https://www.foxnews.com/us/robert-kraft-florida-spa-second-degree-prostitution-new-england-patriots.amp[/URL]

Need to see more details but it doesn't seem like this is a slam-dunk ruling against LEO. If future warrants successfully address the issues raised by the judge then maybe they'll be allowed, at least in Florida. On the bright side (pun intended) there's an interesting part in the article discussing the effect of turning off the room lights.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update. I've been busy recently and haven't been able to follow the case that closely.

I don't see how this or any of the other cases can go forward if the video evidence remains suppressed. Let's also hope the judge rebukes and sanctions prosecutors and the police for their conduct and handling of the cases.

If a new member pops up with an UTR indy recommendation that, when contacted, is responsive, looks amazing, etc, is this incredible luck or something to be wary of?

[QUOTE=Bulky77;4274456]If a new member pops up with an UTR indy recommendation that, when contacted, is responsive, looks amazing, etc, is this incredible luck or something to be wary of?[/QUOTE]You need to always think with your big head. If they ask for money before you meet, TGTBT. If the provider is not up to par with the pictures, TGTBT. If it is a shady area or there are shady characters around, maybe TGTBT. You never know. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Bulky77;4274456]If a new member pops up with an UTR indy recommendation that, when contacted, is responsive, looks amazing, etc, is this incredible luck or something to be wary of?[/QUOTE]Everyone new that's showed up on here with these stories I have followed up with, and not one has come through as stated. Take that as you may.

[URL]https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-ne-cb-robert-kraft-spa-cases-failings-20190518-gqduneepjvcq3lykburpemy35a-story.html[/URL]

Good explanations but what the article labels "missteps," as if they were somehow innocent mistakes, are actually all too common examples of LE playing fast and loose with constitutional protections in order to make arrests. Especially disturbing is the argument made by prosecutors that it was legal for Jupiter police to make traffic stops without having witnessed any actual traffic violation.

What LE didn't count on was running into someone (Kraft) who wasn't going to roll over and has enough money to hire good lawyers to shove these overreaching tactics down LE's throat.

Prosecutors are appealing the trial judge's decisions so we'll need to wait for resolution. But at the very least these practices have been exposed and (maybe) other LE agencies will think twice about using them in the future.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;4281496][URL]https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-ne-cb-robert-kraft-spa-cases-failings-20190518-gqduneepjvcq3lykburpemy35a-story.html[/URL]

Good explanations but what the article labels "missteps," as if they were somehow innocent mistakes, are actually all too common examples of LE playing fast and loose with constitutional protections in order to make arrests. Especially disturbing is the argument made by prosecutors that it was legal for Jupiter police to make traffic stops without having witnessed any actual traffic violation.

What LE didn't count on was running into someone (Kraft) who wasn't going to roll over and has enough money to hire good lawyers to shove these overreaching tactics down LE's throat.

Prosecutors are appealing the trial judge's decisions so we'll need to wait for resolution. But at the very least these practices have been exposed and (maybe) other LE agencies will think twice about using them in the future.[/QUOTE]JmSuttr, thanks for sharing the article. The word "missteps" hardly describes the contempt for constitutional protections demonstrated by prosecutors and Uncle LEO. Those are law enforcement actions more typical of a police state than a constitutional republic. I hope that if the judges' rulings are upheld on appeal, then one or more of them will slap sanctions on prosecutors and police officials. And the judge who signed off on the "sneak-and-peek" warrant should be sanctioned as well.

I've previously heard of cops using traffic stops as a pretense to gather evidence in cases involving massage parlors and other mongering places. I hope this puts an end to that tactic. Even better yet, let's repeal these stupid laws criminalizing consenting adults activities simply because an exchange of money is involved.

[URL]https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/New-York-Sex-Work-Legalization-511067151.html[/URL]

That would certainly be an interesting development, but I'm not holding my breath.

I glanced at the Falls Church News-Press website yesterday and saw an article about an armed robbery at Green Health a couple of weeks ago. Considering this may, or may not, also be an Asian crapshoot site, I expect Green Health may come under even more scrutiny from Uncle LEO.

[URL]https://fcnp.com/2019/06/20/police-looking-for-suspects-after-w-broad-st-armed-robbery/[/URL]

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;4346035]I glanced at the Falls Church News-Press website yesterday and saw an article about an armed robbery at Green Health a couple of weeks ago. Considering this may, or may not, also be an Asian crapshoot site, I expect Green Health may come under even more scrutiny from Uncle LEO.

[URL]https://fcnp.com/2019/06/20/police-looking-for-suspects-after-w-broad-st-armed-robbery/[/URL][/QUOTE]Definitely an Asian crapshoot with various girls in different rooms in the building. I'm surprised they would even call the police. It's also always a good idea if your going to rob someplace always look straight at the camera! DUH.

[QUOTE=SlowBlo;4347359]Definitely an Asian crapshoot with various girls in different rooms in the building. I'm surprised they would even call the police. It's also always a good idea if your going to rob someplace always look straight at the camera! DUH.[/QUOTE]Its likely that this isn't the first AMP that was robbed by that person. I hope they catch them and throw the book at them.

The laws against what two consenting adults do, make these women more likely to be victims of robbery, assault or worse. These women shouldn't have to be afraid to call the cops.

[QUOTE=SlowBlo;4347359]Definitely an Asian crapshoot with various girls in different rooms in the building. I'm surprised they would even call the police. It's also always a good idea if your going to rob someplace always look straight at the camera! DUH.[/QUOTE]I'm surprised they called the cops as well.

When I visited the site in April, I scheduled my visit through the crapshoot. It was the first time I've ever seen a massage table used in a crapshoot place, which made me wonder. Then I learned about the apparent connection to Green Health. Every other crapshoot place I've visited was in a low-or-medium range motel or extended-stay suite and all activities took place on a bed.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;4314677][URL]https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/New-York-Sex-Work-Legalization-511067151.html[/URL]

That would certainly be an interesting development, but I'm not holding my breath.[/QUOTE]I'm sure Eliot Spitzer would have loved signing that into law.

[blue]You guys are missing it just like people missed weed getting legal.

Decriminalized commercial sex is coming to America.

A2[/blue]

This young lady must have unseated "Air Force Amy" and is now the reigning "Queen of the Moonlite Bunny Ranch" in Nevada:

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7063199/The-nations-highest-paid-legal-sex-worker-opens-job.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=RustyMuffler;4357191]This young lady must have unseated "Air Force Amy" and is now the reigning "Queen of the Moonlite Bunny Ranch" in Nevada:

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7063199/The-nations-highest-paid-legal-sex-worker-opens-job.html[/URL][/QUOTE]I have frequented the Pahrump AMPs (Sheri's and Chicken Ranch) and a few of the more popular girls command $1 k or more per session. If you have several sessions a day you could clear $10 k in 24 hours easily. But, that's not the norm. Air Force Amy in her prime, Geisha at Chicken Ranch, and a few others easily could claim upwards of seven figures if they worked many days and saw many clients in a year. A lot of wear and tear.

I saw Chenin Blanc at Chicken Ranch a couple years ago and she said some Clients dropped $10 to $25 k per session. The dollars can add up fast. She also said that once the appeal goes away, you better have money saved up because your number may not be called again during a lineup.

[QUOTE=Miketastic69;4357643]I have frequented the Pahrump AMPs (Sheri's and Chicken Ranch) and a few of the more popular girls command $1 k or more per session. If you have several sessions a day you could clear $10 k in 24 hours easily. But, that's not the norm. Air Force Amy in her prime, Geisha at Chicken Ranch, and a few others easily could claim upwards of seven figures if they worked many days and saw many clients in a year. A lot of wear and tear.

I saw Chenin Blanc at Chicken Ranch a couple years ago and she said some Clients dropped $10 to $25 k per session. The dollars can add up fast. She also said that once the appeal goes away, you better have money saved up because your number may not be called again during a lineup.[/QUOTE]According to the article, Alice Little's fees start at $2 K. She's an attractive woman, but I don't see how she commands that kind of money unless there's either a) some demand I'm unaware of for providers who are only four-foot-eight, or b) her personality is simply outstanding. It helps that the hobby is legal in the part of Nevada where she works.

Of course, if laws prohibiting the hobby are repealed nationwide, then the supply should open up more and prices would hopefully drop. I can't even dream of paying $2 K to see a provider, nor could I do so before the recession when I was earning twice as much as I am today.

[URL]https://sites.google.com/site/beefeater500/prostitution-crackdowns-in-the-dmv[/URL]

[URL]https://wtop.com/prince-william-county/2019/08/online-sting-nabs-9-men-looking-to-pay-for-sex-in-virginia/[/URL]

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