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[QUOTE=SlickBanister;2805114]And I generally don't think about the dirty side of the hobby, it just makes it easier, and I feel less guilty. It also doesn't help the fantasy of momentarily thinking some cute chick wants to suck my dick etc.

It's kinda funny though. Yesterday I was reading a post by a provider (in the PNW) about how she prefers clients that treat her like a dirty * and doesn't like men who want some kinda fantasy. I thought "hey, maybe that's why I'm not clicking with the girls I usually meet". I try to treat them with some common decency, and they don't want that, it throws them off their game, and they aren't comfortable.[/QUOTE]Don't get me wrong I am respectful but when they say they don't do this or that BS they have many times, lets face it when they started out they did it all at first and the rules were put into effect as they go along, they say its not there thing but I'm not there to play by the rules its my wallet that's a bit lighter when I leave I don't want any regrets so I put all the marbles on the table and there's a fine line of respect, of course no is no but no is usually yes if I forget the common decency, the I don't swallow my ass LOL she will, remember your there for her as much as she is for you, licking and probing every hole if its your thing and fucking the shit out of them isn't that what were there for and that's not being rude, I am going to tie this in with a follow up on SW before my regular and I haven't gone that route for awhile but I will do a QV and then see a regular for HH for less than what I would drop for an hour serenading my regular and all that for one nut, I set them up very close together and I get milked on the QV and then defiantly last way longer while dicking down my regular, sure it takes up a few hours of my day but I can't think of a better way to spend it.

Funny Facebook video.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/OkDumbass/videos/958547644234123/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Oakly;2807532]Funny Facebook video.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/OkDumbass/videos/958547644234123/[/URL][/QUOTE]That is great.

I've been reading a lot of posts about hookernomics / mongernomics on the backpage forum lately, and have seen reviews take drastic turns when prices change. There's also common chatter about "negotiating" lower prices. I'm not going to drill down the data and try to find a correlation. But I suspect it's there. I suspect it because we're paying for a service, and when you ask someone to lower their value, a reduction in service quality would seem appropriate. (They probably don't enjoy being with us to begin with) That's why I don't try negotiating prices with these girls. If I'm in at the price they want I'll roll the dice and hope I've picked a winner. Sometimes I win sometimes I lose. But I never spend money I can't throw away, and that's how I walk away not feeling like I've been ripped off. (Although I may be disappointed).

Try negotiating prices at the bar, and see how it works out.

You- "Give me your best beer in a frosty mug!

Bar tender- OK that'll be 10.

You- but I can get the other bars best beer for 7. 50 and I've had a great time there.

Bar tender- so you only have 7. 50?

You- I didn't say that. But I don't want to pay 10.

Bar tender- OK I can serve you the 7. 50 beer you want.

Bar tender puts beer on the bar near you and goes about doing bar stuff, occasionally glancing your way to see how you're doing.

You see them tap you a lake frost (but you've seen reviews that they have new gorgeous). Your not happy and won't repeat.

The review: So I go to Moe's Tavern and expect the best, but I see condensation marks on the bar like they never clean, the bar tender was a bioch that gave me an attitude, and the beer wasn't great. She also never came back to see how I was doing or if I was ready for a refill. I had high hopes after the great reviews about new gorgeous in frosty mugs, and I read that they were super friendly, but I'll never go back there again. The coldest thing in the place was the hag behind the bar!

I think you hit it pretty close to the mark. The only time I've negotiated I wanted 45 min. We came to an agreeable amount and it works out fine. I think it's human nature to want prime rib for the price of McRib.

[QUOTE=SlickBanister;2818574]I've been reading a lot of posts about hookernomics / mongernomics on the backpage forum lately, and have seen reviews take drastic turns when prices change. There's also common chatter about "negotiating" lower prices. I'm not going to drill down the data and try to find a correlation. But I suspect it's there. I suspect it because we're paying for a service, and when you ask someone to lower their value, a reduction in service quality would seem appropriate. (They probably don't enjoy being with us to begin with) That's why I don't try negotiating prices with these girls. If I'm in at the price they want I'll roll the dice and hope I've picked a winner. Sometimes I win sometimes I lose. But I never spend money I can't throw away, and that's how I walk away not feeling like I've been ripped off. (Although I may be disappointed).

Try negotiating prices at the bar, and see how it works out.

You- "Give me your best beer in a frosty mug!

Bar tender- OK that'll be 10.

You- but I can get the other bars best beer for 7. 50 and I've had a great time there.

Bar tender- so you only have 7. 50?

You- I didn't say that. But I don't want to pay 10.

Bar tender- OK I can serve you the 7. 50 beer you want.

Bar tender puts beer on the bar near you and goes about doing bar stuff, occasionally glancing your way to see how you're doing.

You see them tap you a lake frost (but you've seen reviews that they have new gorgeous). Your not happy and won't repeat.

The review: So I go to Moe's Tavern and expect the best, but I see condensation marks on the bar like they never clean, the bar tender was a bioch that gave me an attitude, and the beer wasn't great. She also never came back to see how I was doing or if I was ready for a refill. I had high hopes after the great reviews about new gorgeous in frosty mugs, and I read that they were super friendly, but I'll never go back there again. The coldest thing in the place was the hag behind the bar![/QUOTE]

I am not much of a poster but I just have to say that as some one who tended bar for years this is a brilliant analogy.

[QUOTE=SlickBanister;2818574]I've been reading a lot of posts about hookernomics / mongernomics on the backpage forum lately, and have seen reviews take drastic turns when prices change. There's also common chatter about "negotiating" lower prices. I'm not going to drill down the data and try to find a correlation. But I suspect it's there. I suspect it because we're paying for a service, and when you ask someone to lower their value, a reduction in service quality would seem appropriate. (They probably don't enjoy being with us to begin with) That's why I don't try negotiating prices with these girls. If I'm in at the price they want I'll roll the dice and hope I've picked a winner. Sometimes I win sometimes I lose. But I never spend money I can't throw away, and that's how I walk away not feeling like I've been ripped off. (Although I may be disappointed).

Try negotiating prices at the bar, and see how it works out.

You- "Give me your best beer in a frosty mug!

Bar tender- OK that'll be 10.

You- but I can get the other bars best beer for 7. 50 and I've had a great time there.

Bar tender- so you only have 7. 50?

You- I didn't say that. But I don't want to pay 10.

Bar tender- OK I can serve you the 7. 50 beer you want.

Bar tender puts beer on the bar near you and goes about doing bar stuff, occasionally glancing your way to see how you're doing.

You see them tap you a lake frost (but you've seen reviews that they have new gorgeous). Your not happy and won't repeat.

The review: So I go to Moe's Tavern and expect the best, but I see condensation marks on the bar like they never clean, the bar tender was a bioch that gave me an attitude, and the beer wasn't great. She also never came back to see how I was doing or if I was ready for a refill. I had high hopes after the great reviews about new gorgeous in frosty mugs, and I read that they were super friendly, but I'll never go back there again. The coldest thing in the place was the hag behind the bar![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bill1411;2819325]I am not much of a poster but I just have to say that as some one who tended bar for years this is a brilliant analogy.[/QUOTE]It's pretty basic stuff. I get it, if a monger pays list price and feels they didn't get what was advertised, but to chisel down 20% and expect the same service is. Yeah.

I've spent quite a bit of time on tnaboard and can see where good service can be expected on a budget. But that board mostly represents the PNW and as the sex trade Capitol of the world the competition is fierce. Here not so much.

[QUOTE=TNAboardUSER]Anyone can be a prostitute, it takes a special, dedicated person to be an successful escort.


Becoming a good provider is more than a roll in the hay. Let me be absolutely blunt about one thing right from the start. I'm talking about a career - making a living as an escort. It's what used to be known as a courtesan.

If the word "*****" or "Hooker" or even "Streetwalker" is more your style then, I suggest you go somewhere else... Successful escorts call their own shots. They work when and where they choose. They see whom they want. They're totally independent of hiring or firing or degrading office politics. In a way, a good escort are among the free-est people on earth. Enjoying life to the fullest, and reaping the rewards that only a fat and secure bank account can offer. For some its a whole new way to achieve financial success, for others it's to pay for school or enjoy the finer things in life. It doesn't matter your motivation, what does matter is how much do you want it? If your only in it for the money, you'll probably never succeed. The ladies who make it in this business truly care about their customers. They accept money, yes, but they also offer a unique and personal value for that money. Clients aren't stupid, they'll know in a New York minute if they're being hustled. And once that happens you can kiss your budding career good bye...[/QUOTE]With actual competition in the market these things matter. Here in brew city there's little to no competition, and we're (the mongers) often searching in the dark. We don't have any real means to communicate with these ladies and find out if they're the kind of provider we actually want to meet. Heck, it seems that nobody on this board even wants to have these women on here.

[QUOTE=CoochieEater;2804074]Brother Banister! Are you Roger Banister who set the record for finishing in under 4 minutes? (Actually, his name was Bannister, and his record was for running the mile).

Anyway, I hope you are not as sick as most of the rest of us. Why would someone, on their way to meet a regular who is pretty, clean, and safe, why would that someone pull over for a strung-out dope fiend on a street corner for a quick car date where the cops could apprehend them or a set-up could shake him down for his money, wallet or other valuables? Why would a guy do that?

Damned if I know why I do it. Because of danger? Because of some deep-seated psychological need to punish himself? Because he likes the look and thought of a total stranger debasing herself by sucking his smelly dick? Because he's going to pay $20 for a quick blow-job instead of the $100 he'd drop on a regular? Because the regular has gotten regular and the thrill is gone? Because when he goes home to his wife and she sucks his dick, it tickles the shit out of him that some chipped tooth crackhead was just sucking on it? Because his wife won't blow him at all, so fuck her? Because in his heart of hearts he knows he's worthless and it makes him feel good to use and debase another person? Because he's going to cum in the SW's mouth, then go on to his regular anyway, knowing that he'll last twice as long as he usually does, and he'll fuck the shit out of that girl and REALLY get his money's worth?

Any and all of the above?

I'd love a regular if they were different every time.

Coochie (sick fuck) Eater.

God Bless You All.[/QUOTE]Been out of town for a while. Coochie, you are ever so eloquent! Wish I was such a sick fuck!

[QUOTE=ParnAndMan;2821147]Any link we could get??[/QUOTE]This is OFGs UTR and he is keeping it that way. Don't expect a link because she is UTR. Don't expect him to share contact info again because she is UTR. He is just sharing his experience so read it, accept it, and move on.

[QUOTE=Star67;2822859]This is OFGs UTR and he is keeping it that way. Don't expect a link because she is UTR. Don't expect him to share contact info again because she is UTR. He is just sharing his experience so read it, accept it, and move on.[/QUOTE]Well, first off it is correct that there is no link because she is not a BP bimbo. Second, OFG has shared her contact with numerous guys, so she is not OFG's UTR. LOL.

A car just pulled into my driveway. I hadn't ordered an outcall but it looked like a common outcall with driver scenario. There was a driver and a twenty something woman gets out and starts up the walk to my front door. I don't have money on hand but the woman is attractive and I want to take her to bed or at least get her in the house and do her wherever she will let me. She is cute and conservatively dressed but I'm hoping that she is a gift from above and will a wild thing.

She rings my bell and I open the door hoping that soon her clothes will fly off and she will give herself to me. Then she pulls out a brochure about a free event they are having and I'm invited to join in. An orgy perhaps? Sadly, as you may have guessed, Jehovah's Witness. I'm bummed.

Hi Gang,

I'm going to be in Whitewater in two weeks on a Sunday and have about 4 hours to kill. Any providers in that area? AMP's?

I know that Lake Geneva closed up or is not the same. Not sure on others.

Thanks.

CB.

[QUOTE=Croppyboy;2823188]Hi Gang,

I'm going to be in Whitewater in two weeks on a Sunday and have about 4 hours to kill. Any providers in that area? AMP's?

I know that Lake Geneva closed up or is not the same. Not sure on others.

Thanks.

CB.[/QUOTE]I haven't seen much in that area. Milwaukee is half hour, 45 min, Madison about an hour. Janesville is closest area, look on their board.

I don't know of any AMPs besides Milw.

Oakly,

You should have invited her in and showed her the way to heaven. LMAO!

Bones out.

[QUOTE=Croppyboy;2823188]Hi Gang,

I'm going to be in Whitewater in two weeks on a Sunday and have about 4 hours to kill. Any providers in that area? AMP's?

I know that Lake Geneva closed up or is not the same. Not sure on others.

Thanks.

CB.[/QUOTE]Whitewater is a college town. I would suggest looking on SA to see if you can make an arrangement. There are girls from Whitewater on SA.

[QUOTE=Star67;2823885]Whitewater is a college town. I would suggest looking on SA to see if you can make an arrangement. There are girls from Whitewater on SA.[/QUOTE]Whitewater is a small town where a college is located. Madison is a college town. You are better off checking out Milwaukee, Janesville of Madison.

[QUOTE=Croppyboy;2823188]Hi Gang,

I'm going to be in Whitewater in two weeks on a Sunday and have about 4 hours to kill. Any providers in that area? AMP's?

I know that Lake Geneva closed up or is not the same. Not sure on others.

Thanks.

CB.[/QUOTE]One 37 ish borderline BBW provider in Whitewater, others down the road in Janesville, which is a larger metro area. No personal experience in those areas. Might be better to look at Madison.

Got to be some needy UTR college girls in a small town like Whitewater? Got to wonder how a generous gent could get together with one of them?

[QUOTE=Howard5354;2823918]Whitewater is a small town where a college is located. Madison is a college town. You are better off checking out Milwaukee, Janesville of Madison.[/QUOTE]

I am not saying you are going to find SWs BP or CL girls there but there are quite a few that are on SA. 35 girls are on SA within 10 miles of Whitewater. Throw out the pigs and less active girls and there are at least a dozen options on SA in Whitewater. Whether you can afford them or not is a different story. Good luck gents.

[QUOTE=Star67;2824945]I am not saying you are going to find SWs BP or CL girls there but there are quite a few that are on SA. 35 girls are on SA within 10 miles of Whitewater. Throw out the pigs and less active girls and there are at least a dozen options on SA in Whitewater. Whether you can afford them or not is a different story. Good luck gents.[/QUOTE]Go get that pussy.

[QUOTE=Daprip;2828816]LOL so that presidential speech was worth nothing. A lesson in not being an advocate for people you don't know![/QUOTE]Well, just like 97% of the comments on here, your comment makes absolutely no sense. LMFAO have a nice night I am really looking forward to becoming a senior by posting tons of totally worthless and stupid comments now go get that pussy! Does that one sound familiar?? Ha ha.

[QUOTE=Howard5354;2824967]Go get that pussy.[/QUOTE]What a helpful posting! Thanks.

[QUOTE=HippityHop;2828888]Well, just like 97% of the comments on here, your comment makes absolutely no sense. LMFAO have a nice night I am really looking forward to becoming a senior by posting tons of totally worthless and stupid comments now go get that pussy! Does that one sound familiar?? Ha ha.[/QUOTE]Had he quoted report #6415 by star67 you may have made the connection. Without it, the context was vague as F, and easy pickings to post whoa-re.

I've gotten a couple PM's asking about rates, menu, and overall experience. She has been discussed here in fairly great detail, and many of you have enjoyed her company. Please contact her about price / menu as she has the right to determine these on an individual basis based on any criteria she sees fit. Because, I believe she has the right to determine these things in that way, I will not discuss our rendezvous in great detail. I do not wish for her to lose prospective customers who may feel that she charges to much, when she might be willing to negotiate a different rate / service schedule.

If I could edit my report I would add the following detail: The dining room table that once was the bane of my dining experience now holds a fun memory for me. My knees aren't the only thing I've banged on it!

[QUOTE=HippityHop;2829112]What a helpful posting! Thanks.[/QUOTE]LOL!! Sometimes he's more like a cheerleader in the forums. But overall a very knowledgeable poster.

[QUOTE=HippityHop;2828888]Well, just like 97% of the comments on here, your comment makes absolutely no sense. LMFAO have a nice night I am really looking forward to becoming a senior by posting tons of totally worthless and stupid comments now go get that pussy! Does that one sound familiar?? Ha ha.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately as hard as it is at times it's better to just bite your tongue and move on. In the long run you're better off. That way you won't have any problems with the administrator of this board.

[QUOTE=Howard5354;2824967]Go get that pussy.[/QUOTE]I know exactly what Howard is saying! If you read his posts, you would too.

Thanks for all of the info guys. Unfortunately this has now turned into a family trip. I am going to Janesville, but to the mall with my wife to kill time! Not what I really had in mind.

CB.

[QUOTE=Billsmelco;2829486]What the hell dude, stop this sort of thing. The admins will make sure you are never a senior. Also, most of us seniors go back and look at the posts of fellow seniors to see if they were helpful / reports, or just meaningless posts like you are making.[/QUOTE]For sure now go get that pussy!

[QUOTE=DieselMike;2824065]One 37 ish borderline BBW provider in Whitewater, others down the road in Janesville, which is a larger metro area. No personal experience in those areas. Might be better to look at Madison.

Got to be some needy UTR college girls in a small town like Whitewater? Got to wonder how a generous gent could get together with one of them?[/QUOTE]Without going into a lot of detail, I have been in Whitewater for over 25 years. I know the town extremely well. You will waste your time. Mike is right. There is a provider in the area. Not much action. Students tend to be clannish and if they are selling booty, and I suspect that there may be a few but its hard to connect. Several of them, however, work at area strip clubs, like Vegas Club and Screaming Mimi, if it is still open. I have met a few at these clubs. There are a few clubs in downtown Whitewater on main where you may get lucky and score. Many of the hotties go out clubbing on Thursday night. You could get lucky and score. However, I would spend my time in either Madison or Milwaukee, just 40 minutes from Whitewater. By the way, remember, college girls are going to ask way more than the 80 bucks some of you willing to pay because they are not selling pussy based on volume.

[QUOTE=HippityHop;2828888]Well, just like 97% of the comments on here, your comment makes absolutely no sense. LMFAO have a nice night I am really looking forward to becoming a senior by posting tons of totally worthless and stupid comments now go get that pussy! Does that one sound familiar?? Ha ha.[/QUOTE]Dude, a real senior is not the accumulation of posts. It is when you are trusted. I cannot begin to tell you the number of tips and introductions I have gotten from seniors. I have did the same. In short, there is a lot of intel shared on the private message site. I made the mistake many years ago in getting into pissing contests but it does not matter in the long run. If you do not like the comments then do as Bruce Lee says, let it roll off you. So what if a comment is worthless or makes no sense. Just move on. Have fun and loosen up.

[QUOTE=Howard5354;2830650]Dude, a real senior is not the accumulation of posts. It is when you are trusted. I cannot begin to tell you the number of tips and introductions I have gotten from seniors. I have did the same. In short, there is a lot of intel shared on the private message site. I made the mistake many years ago in getting into pissing contests but it does not matter in the long run. If you do not like the comments then do as Bruce Lee says, let it roll off you. So what if a comment is worthless or makes no sense. Just move on. Have fun and loosen up.[/QUOTE]You aren't going to get help using your dick by being a dick.

[QUOTE=Howard5354;2830650]Dude, a real senior is not the accumulation of posts. It is when you are trusted. I cannot begin to tell you the number of tips and introductions I have gotten from seniors. I have did the same. In short, there is a lot of intel shared on the private message site. I made the mistake many years ago in getting into pissing contests but it does not matter in the long run. If you do not like the comments then do as Bruce Lee says, let it roll off you. So what if a comment is worthless or makes no sense. Just move on. Have fun and loosen up.[/QUOTE]Seems you are talking out of both sides of your mouth you can make totally non sensical and worthless comments, but I can't?? Now go get that pussy!

[QUOTE=HippityHop;2831379]Seems you are talking out of both sides of your mouth you can make totally non sensical and worthless comments, but I can't?? Now go get that pussy![/QUOTE]Go ahead and make all the "useless comments" you want. But stay out of pissing matches with the other members in these forums. That would be my suggestion.

[QUOTE=HippityHop;2828888]Well, just like 97% of the comments on here, your comment makes absolutely no sense. LMFAO have a nice night I am really looking forward to becoming a senior by posting tons of totally worthless and stupid comments now go get that pussy! Does that one sound familiar?? Ha ha.[/QUOTE]Mr. Hop,

I might suggest keeping your comments relative to something involving girls, fucking, pussy, mongering and other such activities. It's apparent that Howard's comment "Go get that pussy," gets under your skin. I might point out that Howard has a long history here of posting much valuable information. Now that he's a senior, he's not tallying up posts to accumulate senior status. Anyone with senior status has done three things: 1. Waited six months. 2. Posted HELPFUL information, not just useless posts. 3. Shared names and numbers of providers, either on the board or PM'd to trusted partners.

Once the senior status has been achieved, posting gets a little looser. So we would like to welcome you as a trusted partner in our activities, but we want you to post like a trusted partner.

Coochie (hang in there kid) Eater.

God Bless You All.

Just read an interesting thread on tnaboard about hobbyist having their smart phones apps data mine their contracts. They're receiving suggestions to become friends with the providers they've saved in their contacts. This type of technology is advancing everyday and is all the more reason to keep a completely separate device to hobby on.

I keep my contact information in a werd document on my personal device and do my due diligence via tor. All contact is made through that app or my dumb flip phone that's registered to this user name and has no contract.

Play safe guys. Somebody's watching.

[QUOTE=SlickBanister;2832381]Just read an interesting thread on tnaboard about hobbyist having their smart phones apps data mine their contracts. They're receiving suggestions to become friends with the providers they've saved in their contacts. This type of technology is advancing everyday and is all the more reason to keep a completely separate device to hobby on.

I keep my contact information in a werd document on my personal device and do my due diligence via tor. All contact is made through that app or my dumb flip phone that's registered to this user name and has no contract.

Play safe guys. Somebody's watching.[/QUOTE]When you install Google Voice, it asks whether it can access your contacts. I always just say No.

[QUOTE=Popeyemadison;2832418]When you install Google Voice, it asks whether it can access your contacts. I always just say No.[/QUOTE]I deleted contacts I'd saved to my phone months before getting a new phone. I deny every attempt to data mine that pops up for any app I download or update due. Somehow, when I transferred contacts to my new phone all the contacts I had deleted came back. (Yes I synced the phone after deleting the unwanted information) I'm not sure why it happened, but it did, and I'm not pleased about it. As convenient as it might seem I'll never save another contact again.

I am a firm believer that the more disconnect I can create between myself and this awful affliction I have the better of I'll be.

*edit*
My personal experience stated here was months before reading about how software is connecting the dots between hobbyist and providers.

[QUOTE=SlickBanister;2832440]I deleted contacts I'd saved to my phone months before getting a new phone. I deny every attempt to data mine that pops up for any app I download or update due. Somehow, when I transferred contacts to my new phone all the contacts I had deleted came back. (Yes I synced the phone after deleting the unwanted information) I'm not sure why it happened, but it did, and I'm not pleased about it. As convenient as it might seem I'll never save another contact again.

I am a firm believer that the more disconnect I can create between myself and this awful affliction I have the better of I'll be.

*edit*
My personal experience stated here was months before reading about how software is connecting the dots between hobbyist and providers.[/QUOTE]I don't save providers as contacts. The population is so fluid and I rarely repeat.

[QUOTE=SlickBanister;2832381]Just read an interesting thread on tnaboard about hobbyist having their smart phones apps data mine their contracts. They're receiving suggestions to become friends with the providers they've saved in their contacts. This type of technology is advancing everyday and is all the more reason to keep a completely separate device to hobby on.

I keep my contact information in a werd document on my personal device and do my due diligence via tor. All contact is made through that app or my dumb flip phone that's registered to this user name and has no contract.

Play safe guys. Somebody's watching.[/QUOTE]In this hobby, it's very difficult not to leave trails that with sufficient resources can be traced back to us. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't take simple precautions, like:

1. Use a different browser / persona, always erase everything or delete the persona.

2. Never use a work computer.

3. Remember to disconnect the work VPN before surfing.

None of these are meant to foil LE.

[QUOTE=Popeyemadison;2832589]I don't save providers as contacts. The population is so fluid and I rarely repeat.[/QUOTE]Damn Popeye! I thought I was a grandiloquent pedant, man, "FLUID" to describe the erratic nature of hookers is not only accurate, but kindly in a hyperbolic and ironic way.

I cannot get the image of Mr. Rogers saying "Can you say 'FLUID'? I knew you could!" out of my head. I will think of this every time a number doesn't work, or I deposit some fluid into a provider's yap, or she tells me she can't do full service because she's on her monthly.

Coochie (should have joined the "Head Stop" program) Eater.

God Bless You All!

[QUOTE=Popeyemadison;2832600]In this hobby, it's very difficult not to leave trails that with sufficient resources can be traced back to us. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't take simple precautions, like:

1. Use a different browser / persona, always erase everything or delete the persona.

2. Never use a work computer.

3. Remember to disconnect the work VPN before surfing.

None of these are meant to foil LE.[/QUOTE]It's not always that simple for everyone. And uncle isn't going you data mine you they're looking for low hanging fruit

[QUOTE=TNAboard_user]
This is where real "data mining" comes in. Facebook and other social media LOVE "connections" and will walk a long, long chain (literally trillions of pieces of information) across all apps that share data to find them. With a phone number, name, place of work or even just likes and dislikes Facebook, LinkedIn, etc. will invest huge amounts of processing to sift through them to find out that person A friends person B who worked at the same place with person C who had lunch at the same restaurant as person D yesterday who ordered the same album from Amazon as person E through QQ who went to the same event as persons XX through ZZZ. And of course those people for sure want to know each other, because internet, that's why.

You get the picture. Keep in mind that any "cross-pollination" at any point in a virtually infinite chain can make a connection. Think of privacy as an STD (like most Republicans) - if anyone in a multiplying chain of partners has it...you ALL have it.

A gentleman has a bare-bones poon phone with only voice and text. A Lady has a smart phone, but she uses it ONLY for business. Both are very careful to only use them for business, although they have saved each other's number and professional name. Of course, both have personal phones and computers as well. So far, this looks pretty good As long as neither party does ANYTHING on their phones to make a connection, they're good.

But then the Lady texts a provider friend of hers that isn't quite so careful. She has both the Lady's real and professional names in her contacts with both numbers and has several apps that allow access to her contacts including a LinkedIn profile and Facebook page for her artwork business. Now there's a chain linking the original Lady's real name and her work phone. The text is a reference check, and the Lady friend dutifully finds that the gentleman's poon phone number is in her contacts and provides an outstanding reference. Now there's a direct link between the gentleman's poon phone number and the Lady's real name via contacts on the provider's friend's phone.

The gentleman is waiting outside an incall for the Lady that's running late. He gets a text on his real phone about a problem at work and he needs to call right away. He makes the call, but the signal is terrible and the problem is dire. He figures one little call on his poon phone isn't a problem; he calls his co-worker's cell phone, noting that he's using the emergency phone from his car. He quickly handles the situation, and the recipient of the call without thinking goes ahead and saves the number on the existing contact for his co-worker. He then shifts over to playing Farmville on his smart phone, where he's friends with his co-worker. The poon phone number is now connected to a real name.

Both LinkedIn and Facebook now finds that there's a person that has two contacts that match people it knows - it sees a connection between the gentleman's real name and poon phone number via his friend's saved contact, and the provider's real name via the Lady's saved contact with her.

It decides since they know the same person, they'd love to be best buds. Maybe not.

Now, I'm a writer and I'm writing this morning so I spun a long yarn. It sounds convoluted and impossible, but the connections usually aren't that convoluted although sometimes they could be even order of magnitudes larger. But the bottom line is that any cross-pollination between real and hobby universes will make a connection, and anyone in your chain that isn't smart can expose you.

I suspect folks will come out of the woodwork and call bullshit, but privacy is a sideline interest of mine and I've done a ton of research on this stuff.[/QUOTE]