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[URL]https://sites.google.com/site/beefeater500/montgomery-county-prostitution-incident-blotter[/URL]
[URL]https://sites.google.com/site/beefeater500/county-specific-prostitution-blotters[/URL]
It's a mix of reports from all over the DMV.
Kudos to senior Mpduration for posting on the MoCo board. I saw it there and thought it was worth a repost here to highlight why safety should always be a top concern.
[URL]http://pilotonline.com/news/local/cr...6f16f6cb1.html[/URL]
[blue]We appreciate the free advertising. Please be nice to the new guys that are going to show up because they read the article.
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[QUOTE=Trewaller;3008291][URL]http://pilotonline.com/news/local/cr...6f16f6cb1.html[/URL]
[blue]We appreciate the free advertising. Please be nice to the new guys that are going to show up because they read the article.
A2[/blue][/QUOTE][URL]http://pilotonline.com/news/local/crime/more-than-massages-a-hidden-sex-industry-in-hampton-roads/article_7a982922-d3f7-5d63-9325-47d6f16f6cb1.html[/URL]
53 yrs old. How do these places do any business. Are we mongers suffering from a granny obsession?
[QUOTE=BunkerBuster;3008470][URL]http://pilotonline.com/news/local/crime/more-than-massages-a-hidden-sex-industry-in-hampton-roads/article_7a982922-d3f7-5d63-9325-47d6f16f6cb1.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JimRob;3009456]53 yrs old. How do these places do any business. Are we mongers suffering from a granny obsession?[/QUOTE]While on a business trip to VB, I stopped in that establishment. The women were older but attractive. Good massage with decent finish. House fee was lower there than here in NOVA. Sorry to hear they had trouble.
[QUOTE=JimRob;3009456]53 yrs old. How do these places do any business. Are we mongers suffering from a granny obsession?[/QUOTE]I assume it's the status quo for alot of us mongers. There are plenty of older gems to be found though. As long as they aren't on drugs, the drama factor is always lower, they are more experienced in dealing with hotel staff, LE, etc, and more experienced in handling the rod. 53 is too old, she has to be exceptionally gorgeous for me to take the plunge at that age. Normally my cut off point is early to mid 40's.
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[URL]http://www.rollcall.com/news/policy/web-site-asks-supreme-court-block-subpoena-sex-ads[/URL]
The battle is shaping up as free speech vs "anti-trafficking".
[QUOTE=JmSuttr;3064236][URL]http://www.rollcall.com/news/policy/web-site-asks-supreme-court-block-subpoena-sex-ads[/URL]
The battle is shaping up as free speech vs "anti-trafficking".[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update. I wonder how this will turn out. I hope BP wins. I also find it interesting that two of the senators mentioned in this article are considered vulnerable in the upcoming election and the third is expected to face a strong challenge in 2018.
[QUOTE=TomMcAn;3064511]Thanks for the update. I wonder how this will turn out. I hope BP wins. I also find it interesting that two of the senators mentioned in this article are considered vulnerable in the upcoming election and the third is expected to face a strong challenge in 2018.[/QUOTE]I wonder how these three Senators, and especially Claire McCaskill (D-Mo), would feel about having their own correspondence opened to the public, in the same way they want to have access to the Backpage business records. After all, the American public would most likely want to screen the senators' correspondence for warning signs of pay-for-play and other corruption.
Frankly, while my political sentiments are to the right of center, I hope all three of these senators (two of whom are nominally with the GOP) get bounced out of office and sent back to their home districts. In my opinion, McCaskill is just plain reprehensible, Kirk is a cowardly sellout to the gun control crowd, and Portman is largely progressive mush. The issue of Backpage ads and so-called "trafficking" is an easy issue to take on for political expediency. After all, who can be against "trafficking"?
The problem is, none of these senators is standing [U][b]for[/b][/U] Free Press, Free Speech, and Free Association. If they really want to put a stop to real trafficking, they need to clamp down on illegal migration into the country. But, we all know how that argument goes. Just my opinion, of course. Other members may disagree. After all, we're a large community here. The main point, though, is Backpage's ability to offer ad space to a non-traditional customer base.
The United States Supreme Court ordered Backpage to comply with the Senate subpoena and produce the documents they're seeking.
[URL]http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/09/backpage-com-sex-ad-subpoena-fight-ends-supreme-court-sides-with-senate/[/URL]
[QUOTE=TomMcAn;3077803]The United States Supreme Court ordered Backpage to comply with the Senate subpoena and produce the documents they're seeking.
[URL]http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/09/backpage-com-sex-ad-subpoena-fight-ends-supreme-court-sides-with-senate/[/URL][/QUOTE]They should use the tactics of Hitlary and have their lawyers delete everything saying it wasn't related.
And by "demand side" I mean new LE tactics being used against review writers.
Here is a national news article:
[URL]http://www.marketplace.org/2016/09/16/world/battle-against-sex-trafficking-turns-prostitution-review-sites[/URL]
This could have a broad chilling effect on those of us who write reviews. So should we be worried here or on the oThER board?
I'm very curious to hear your opinions about this one. To me, it seems there are constitutional issues of freedom of speech and freedom of association.
In case the web link goes dead, here is the entire news article:
Battle against sex trafficking turns to prostitution review sites
By Sasha Aslanian
September 16, 2016 | 2:30 PM
Seattle, WA
Last year, Luke Hillman began meeting with a group of sex buyers. They were guys he met online.
Looking at them in a bar, you would have no idea, Hillman said. Theyre just normal guys.
The men worked for some of the regions most prominent employers: Microsoft, Boeing, Amazon. One was a radiologist. Another was a dentist.
During their meetups in local bars, the men would discuss their hobby hiring Korean prostitutes.
I remember sitting there the first time, and I was just like ... looking around, praying that nobody would see me sitting with these guys and would hear what they were saying, Hillman said.
The men didnt know that Hillman, the man they had invited into their elite circle, was actually an undercover detective.
Law enforcement is beginning to take notice of so-called John boards review sites where customers rate prostitutes. The men busted in this Seattle group earlier this year exposed a secretive world where online sex buyers are treading on a whole new level of criminal behavior.
The men had met on TheReviewBoard.net (that now leads to a notice saying it was seized by the King County Sheriff's Office). Its one of many sites across the country where men rate prostitutes. Investigators estimate the Review Board had between 15,000 and 20,000 members.
The men would describe a woman's weight, race, breast size, which sex acts she was willing to perform and her hourly rate.
Hillman wrote fake reviews and was invited to join a subgroup that called itself The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Police documents show they were spending $300 per session, multiple times a week.
The League attracted the attention of law enforcement not because its members bought a lot of sex, but because of how they worked together. The men wrote glowing reviews to draw customers to their favorite women. That kept the women in town longer and encouraged the seven agencies supplying the women to send new prospects their way.
So they were really operating as pimps, said Valiant Richey, a senior deputy prosecuting attorney for King County and one of the lead attorneys on the case. Theyre charged with promoting prostitution because they expanded the market, they facilitated visits to these women, they connected new buyers to the women and helped with the screening process."
After six months of undercover surveillance, law enforcement closed in. They busted eight brothels. A dozen Korean women were offered human trafficking victim services and released.
The leagues website and the larger website, the Review Board, were seized.
Weve just taken down one small tentacle of whats going on, said King County Sheriff John Urquhart at a news conference announcing the arrests in January. There are still umpteen websites out there that we havent gotten to yet.
Instead of charging the 16 league members with buying sex, a misdemeanor, they were charged with promoting prostitution a felony. More than half have pleaded guilty.
At his sentencing, one of the men, Paul Rhinehart, expressed remorse and said hed been drawn into friendships and lost perspective. I took on a misguided feeling that this was a community like other legitimate communities, he told the court.
About 15 percent of American men buy sex at some point. Only a small fraction of them are hobbyists like the men in Seattle. This review board is gone, but it has left a digital trail that could help law enforcement come to a better understanding of how frequent buyers operate.
Alex Trouteaud of youthSpark in Atlanta studied the data on North American sex buyers. He found 5 percent of them account for nearly half of illegal sex transactions.
In order to feed their habit, these buyers need to find new sources of sex and avoid the cops. That means they have to share intel.
'John boards are far and away the fastest and easiest place to find these individuals, Trouteaud said.
Prosecutors said the Seattle case opened up a new window into the sex trade, where internet crowdsourcing allows buyers to work together to blur the lines between supply and demand.
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Again, I am mostly wondering if this makes anyone think twice about using this and other review boards?
Finally, I will say that I'm glad they at least freed some trafficking victims in doing all of this. But there has to be a better way to do that without infringing on civil liberties.
Derringer
I read that article the other day and I too am concerned. First amendment as well as many other rights have been crushed as a result of the Government trying to control all "unacceptable" activity. For example, a John gets busted in a Backpage sting at a motel and is given a citation and a day in court. But his face is posted all over the news and in the paper just for the charge. The damage is done. Even if you beat the charge, your done if you have anything to lose. That's the way it works. If you have anything to lose Big Brother will take it right or wrong. They will twist any law to suit that purpose. And very few can fight back and win.
As A2 and Jackson have reminded us on numerous occasions, the servers for this site are apparently located overseas and are, thus, much more difficult for US authorities to subpoena or seize. I'm not saying the risk to USASG members is zero, but I'd say that, based on A2's past explanations, we have a lot less to worry about than US-based server sites. Besides, writing a review does not equate to promoting anything. The guys in the article (I. E. , The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen) were actually working with the agencies that supplied the Korean prostitutes, helping to coordinate the movement of the girls. Unless anyone on this board is doing that, there is little risk of anyone here being charged with a similar crime.
[QUOTE=RedBaron Daron;3082125]I read that article the other day and I too am concerned. First amendment as well as many other rights have been crushed as a result of the Government trying to control all "unacceptable" activity. For example, a John gets busted in a Backpage sting at a motel and is given a citation and a day in court. But his face is posted all over the news and in the paper just for the charge. The damage is done. Even if you beat the charge, your done if you have anything to lose. That's the way it works. If you have anything to lose Big Brother will take it right or wrong. They will twist any law to suit that purpose. And very few can fight back and win.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Derringer;3082056]And by "demand side" I mean new LE tactics being used against review writers.
Here is a national news article:
[URL]http://www.marketplace.org/2016/09/16/world/battle-against-sex-trafficking-turns-prostitution-review-sites[/URL]
This could have a broad chilling effect on those of us who write reviews. So should we be worried here or on the oThER board?
I'm very curious to hear your opinions about this one. To me, it seems there are constitutional issues of freedom of speech and freedom of association.
Derringer[/QUOTE]