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All the posts seem to discuss odds of getting or not getting a disease from having a BBBJ by someone. What about the opposite. Getting something while giving one? Recently dating a mid 40's Korean women who worked 14 yrs in AMP's. Left bussiness in 1999. Wondering & she is too. She told me that she probably gave 7-8 /day. Which I calculate as about 50/wk or 2500/yr & about 35, 000 total. She seems & feels real healthy.
Thank you.
[QUOTE=Ampboner]All the posts seem to discuss odds of getting or not getting a disease from having a BBBJ by someone. What about the opposite. Getting something while giving one? Recently dating a mid 40's Korean women who worked 14 yrs in AMP's. Left bussiness in 1999. Wondering & she is too. She told me that she probably gave 7-8 /day. Which I calculate as about 50/wk or 2500/yr & about 35, 000 total. She seems & feels real healthy.
Thank you.[/QUOTE]The odds of getting something are higher for the person that is giving the oral service. That is because the fluids (vaginal or seminal) make there way into the oral cavity of the person and have a higher chance of being transmitted. If that person has any small tears/ sores within their mouth will be at an even greater risk.
I think the odds of getting HIV are via BBBJ are lower for the one getting the service, however, there are many other STDs which can be passed much more easily. Personally, I do not think it is worth the risk. I would rather go covered than have bumps, sores, or some sort of discharge coming out of my package a few days later.
I am interested to hear from the other mongerers in here who regularly had BBBJ if they have ever had any issues.
The questions have arisen both here and recently on the Cincinnati forum ([url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=821171&postcount=330[/url]) about the STD risks of a man receiving oral sex from a woman. In all cases, it is less risky for the man to receive a BJ than the woman who is performing, since she receives the 'gift' of cum. Her saliva does not remain in place long, especially if he washes very soon after the activity. Of great importance: if you, the male, have any of the following symptoms, DO NOT HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX WITH ANYONE. Here is my take on the relative risks of oral transmission of STDs:
1) Several STDs are easily transmitted orally:
a) HERPES. Oral herpes (most often Herpes I) is clearly transmittable from mouth to genitals. I personally know of a woman who caught it this way (an infected guy DATY). And yes, once you have it, it is for life. If there is a bright side, the first flare-up is usually by far the worst. Some never get a flare up again. You can get some indication of risk if the person has "cold sores" or "fever blisters" on the mouth or genitals. Avoid them like the plague. It is much less, but still plausible, to catch it in the absence of sores. Herpes II, usually genital, can be transmitted to the mouth, so DATY is hardly risk free.
b) CHLAMYDIA: Very common, so-called "Non-gonococcal urethritis." If you get it, it is easy to spot in the male (discharge of pus, hard to pee, and then you have itching and burning). These are the same signs and symptoms of the clap. It is much harder to discern Chlamydia or clap in females because they always have some discharge. Both can cause sterility in the female. Can be treated with antibiotics, but especially gonorrhea is becoming resistant to penicillin.
c) GONORRHEA: Clap can definitely be transmitted orally, but I do not know the relative risk. If you have any symptoms as listed in Chlamydia, seek medical attention immediately, do NOT have unprotected sex with anyone. Penicillin used to cure it, but many strains today are resistant.
c) SYPHILIS: from what I hear, these days, there is a relatively low risk of oral transmission, but does happen. If you got it? A painless sore on your penis appears in several weeks: red, raised, erosion in the center (a chancre). DO NOT IGNORE. It will go away and hide for months to years, and then come back with a vengeance. Seek medical attention immediately, do NOT have unprotected sex with anyone. Once the diagnosis is confirmed, antiboitics can knock it down.
2. Some STDs are unlikely to be spread orally.
d) HIV AND HEPATITIS C: Risk is low for these because transmission requires blood to blood exposure. If you have sores on your penis, it is plausible that you could catch them receiving oral sex. (Or if she has sores in her mouth, you could give it to her). But if you are healthy, and her BBBJ doesn't wear off your skin (a real problem with some rough BJs), your risks are very low.
So unprotected sex is not without its risks, but some accept the relatively low risk because of the heightened pleasure of BB. Others insist on covered BJ. You can get SOME idea of the risk by closely observing the SW: How well do you know her? Is she very clean? Does she ALWAY require protection for FS? Does she have any sores? (Hey--this should have eliminated her in the first place)? Does she stink? etc.
So... forewarned is forearmed. If you do BBBJ, stay closely tuned to what the little head reports back to you the next week or two. And keep yourself clean.
Giani
[QUOTE=Primal423]The odds of getting something are higher for the person that is giving the oral service. That is because the fluids (vaginal or seminal) make there way into the oral cavity of the person and have a higher chance of being transmitted. If that person has any small tears/ sores within their mouth will be at an even greater risk.
I think the odds of getting HIV are via BBBJ are lower for the one getting the service, however, there are many other STDs which can be passed much more easily. Personally, I do not think it is worth the risk. I would rather go covered than have bumps, sores, or some sort of discharge coming out of my package a few days later.
I am interested to hear from the other mongerers in here who regularly had BBBJ if they have ever had any issues.[/QUOTE]
Yu the man Giani, very good report on std's.
The mouth is considered the dirtiest of orifices. It fact a human bite is considered much worse that an animal bite.
Men concentrate any viruses we have in our semen. That's why she is more at risk than we are.
Even if she is not actively infected, she will have remnents of the last guy(s) she blew if she is offering uncovered service. Do you ever see a provider brush and gargle after service?
Mucous membranes, ie. the meatus or "pee hole", the mouth and throat, and the anus are very suceptable to std infection.
As far as telling if she's "clean", that's imposible with out lab tests.
Although they're not 100% effective, I always use a condom.
No one likes condoms, but some are better than others, this is not the place to cheap out. I use one with a oversize tip, they feel like your not wearing any thing.
Any way you slice it, there is still risk.
Firehouse Mack
Thanks Firehouse Mack,Giani & Primal 423: My korean girl friend was lucky in that she tested negative for HIV & HVC as did I. During her years in the massage trade giving many BBBJ's she likely had gonococcal & clamydia pharangitis multiple times according to her doctor. At least two or three sore throats a month treated with antibiotics while she was active. Now she never gets sore throats...they stopped after leaving the massage parlor work within 2-3 months. She tested positive for having had syphilis in the past and related on six or seven occassions over her 14 years of work of having had mouth sores similer to chancre's. Her doctor gave her I.V. penecillin shots to be safe in case she still was infected.She tested positive for herpes 2 and may have acuired it orally.Also positive for HVB (hepatitis b) but not active. She is now & was according to her always very clean...used mouth wash & cleaned her vagina with betadine and douche after every time with a guy & used condoms when having intercourse except for several times. We all have to be careful. I would never have dreamed that Young was an ex massage parlor attendent had she not been very honest with me.College grad. Bussiness women ;owns 3 dry cleaners and an asian grocery store.Now I am learning that she is the exception. Several other korean female/american male married couples that Young knows where the females have kept things a secret. One unfortunate one possibly resulted in a family getting HIV. Young said her friend was known as one having mostly unprotected intercourse when working at many massage parlors across the country over several years in the 1990's.
Thanks every one again & be safe in your adventures.
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First of all brothers please congratulate me on dodging a bullet.
I had the whole pus coming from the penis or so I thought, itchy and painful etc I thought it was chlamydia or ghonorrhea and I had been doing this really skanky civilian oh my god she should have paid me I could only do her once every few weeks and the i swore i would never touch her again but then a few weeks later... well, anyway, i got the scare of my life but dodged the bullet.
So I have this ichor coming out of Slim Jim and decide to get a test done on line so as it will be top secret and no one will know.
Well, all the tests claim to be "confitential". That means they take your ID, get your address, social, etc, and report any negative results to the CDC, to the state health department, to your insurance, to any fucking person they can imagine, except maybe your 90-year-old gramma.
So, Confidential does not mean shit.
What you need is ANONYMOUS that means they can't report you because they don't know your name.
If you give them ID, they will write it down and report you to CDC, insurance, probably motherfucking foodworkers of america.
What you need to do is go to private md ([url]www.privatemdlabs.com)[/url].
You buy a $200 gift card at CVS, Walgreens, Walmart, etc, and call the Private MD 1-800 number and order the D-Lux std panel for $196. You give them an Alias (any name you like so I said my name was Jackson) and fake birthday and fake phone number but REAL EMAIL. Then you go to the clinic nearest you, you DO NOT give them your ID, if the nazis insist on your idea, let them call the 1-800-Private MD number and Private MD will tell them to let you take the test anonymously.
Then you will get ANONYMOUS results. You are free to tell WHO you like. I would only tell GOD if I were you.
Anyway, I dodged a bullet I am STD FREE, HIV, HSV, Syph, Gono, Chlam, all that shit can't touch me.
Went to the doc she said it is just trauma to the penis (fucking to hard lol).
On closer cosnideration, it was mucous, not really pus, that came out, probably just the dick trying to lubricate itself due to the trauma I put it thourh.
Anyway good luck you f*ing hochasers I learned my lesson I will only bareback hot chicks from now on so that if I get aids and my dick shrivels up and falls off at least I will have a last good memory. Or maybe I will bareback when drunk. Or maybe in another few weeks.
I will withhold the congratulations... mongers who do FS bareback are the ones that infect SWs in the first place, making it dangerous for all the rest of us.
You bring up an important point, though I am not sure I have the confidence in the mail-order STD tests. Did the clinic take your blood? Did they apply it to the panel? What is the track record for the panel you bought? And you wound up seeing a doctor? It is a confusing tale.
Pus, a serious sign of clap (gonorrhea) or chlamydia (non-gonococcal urethritis) is cloudy, is yellowish white. The symptoms are a urethra which itches, stings and burns. Anyone that gets this should get immediate professional diagnosis and treatment. BTW, Pus is EASY to tell from mucus Mucus is clear, shiny and makes long strings between the fingers. Also, I never heard of mucus being overproduced from excessive sexual activity, tho it is not impossible... And what is ichor?
Finally, you say "I am STD FREE, HIV, HSV, Syph, Gono, Chlam, all that shit can't touch me." Didn't you just say you dodged a bullet? And now you are bullet-proof? Maybe we misunderstand your conclusion here.
Bareback full service with providers is Russian roulette, but with the gun aimed at your penis... That bullet WILL find its target one of these days.
Wishing you the best and hoping other mongers see the errors of your tale and cover up for FS routinely as part of the hobby.
Giani
[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]... I had the whole pus coming from the penis or so I thought, itchy and painful etc I thought it was chlamydia or ghonorrhea and I had been doing this really skanky civilian... So I have this ichor coming out of Slim Jim and decide to get a test done on line so as it will be top secret and no one will know.
...You buy a $200 gift card at CVS, Walgreens, Walmart, etc, and call the Private MD 1-800 number and order the D-Lux std panel for $196....Then you go to the clinic nearest you, ... let them call the 1-800-Private MD number and Private MD will tell them to let you take the test anonymously.... You are free to tell WHO you like. I would only tell GOD if I were you.
Anyway, I dodged a bullet I am STD FREE, HIV, HSV, Syph, Gono, Chlam, all that shit can't touch me.
...I learned my lesson I will only bareback hot chicks [???] from now on so that if I get aids and my dick shrivels up and falls off at least I will have a last good memory. Or maybe I will bareback when drunk. Or maybe in another few weeks.[/QUOTE]
It was weird I thought my doctor sat awful close to me then she suddenly grabbed my groin. Then she said, oh, sorry, i guess i should have warned you, i'm just checking your lymph gland. But she didn't move away from me. Weird. then she started to make jokes about come and cum etc. So I think if she actually believed i had an std she wouldn't have been behaving that way.
[QUOTE=Giani]I will withhold the congratulations... mongers who do FS bareback are the ones that infect SWs in the first place, making it dangerous for all the rest of us.
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I did bareback with a civilian, not a provider.
Sure living each day increases the chance you will eventually die, you don't have to fuck a ho bareback, but i sure as hell am going to do it bareback with someone(s) sometime(s), we can't all be like Michael Jackson going through life always wearing a glove, besides didn't save him won't save you.
[QUOTE=Giani]
You bring up an important point, though I am not sure I have the confidence in the mail-order STD tests. Did the clinic take your blood? Did they apply it to the panel? What is the track record for the panel you bought? And you wound up seeing a doctor? It is a confusing tale.
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The lab took blood and urine. They used NAA for the chlamydia and gonorrhea. My doctor seemed convinced by the results. If you go to your doc and let them test you, he sends your shit to the same lab, and if you test hot, they report you to the CDC and your insurance. so why not send your shit to the lab yourself in a way that protects your privacy? that's the point here, not losing your insurance or getting your name on a gov't list someplace.
[QUOTE=Giani]
Pus, a serious sign of clap (gonorrhea) or chlamydia (non-gonococcal urethritis) is cloudy, is yellowish white. The symptoms are a urethra which itches, stings and burns. Anyone that gets this should get immediate professional diagnosis and treatment. BTW, Pus is EASY to tell from mucus Mucus is clear, shiny and makes long strings between the fingers. Also, I never heard of mucus being overproduced from excessive sexual activity, tho it is not impossible... And what is ichor?
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Well it was the doc who suggested it was mucous, i guess the doc is the professional? and from the way it was dried on my underwear, it was mucous (long shiny strings), not pus.
[QUOTE=Giani]
Maybe _we_ misunderstand your conclusion here.
Giani[/QUOTE]
Who is we? How many twits am I talking to?
[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]
What you need to do is go to private md ([url]www.privatemdlabs.com)[/url].
You buy a $200 gift card at CVS, Walgreens, Walmart, etc, and call the Private MD 1-800 number and order the D-Lux std panel for $196. [/QUOTE]
I went to get checked recently and saw those $200 sites on the internet that send you to a lab in the area for a test. I didnt want to give my CC# and name to some dude on the phone so I bailed, but I did get a few of the addresses they send you to from the guy. Well, I figured I might save a buck and just went myself, you know, cut out the middleman. Well when I got there the suite was empty. As in vacant, no biz here. Maybe is was an old address, but I can imagine that this might be a great way to rip someone off. Like are you gonna call the cops and explain to your SO about getting ripped off? In any event, turns out the state will perform tests on you for nothing. Free state-sponsered clinics and whatnot. That might be the best route.
[QUOTE=Elric]I went to get checked recently and saw those $200 sites on the internet that send you to a lab in the area for a test. I didnt want to give my CC# and name to some dude on the phone so I bailed, but I did get a few of the addresses they send you to from the guy. Well, I figured I might save a buck and just went myself, you know, cut out the middleman. Well when I got there the suite was empty. As in vacant, no biz here. Maybe is was an old address, but I can imagine that this might be a great way to rip someone off. Like are you gonna call the cops and explain to your SO about getting ripped off? In any event, turns out the state will perform tests on you for nothing. Free state-sponsered clinics and whatnot. That might be the best route.[/QUOTE]
Private MD worked fine for me, the lab was in a business park, there were nurses and other customers there. It seemed legit. There was no need to provide a CC#, that would not be anonymous, you just buy a gift card at CVS or Walgreen or Wamlart, etc. Then you call the 1-800 number and give them the gift card number. There is no way for them to get your name.
Fellows why pay $200 bucks to get tested confidentially when you can go to the public health dept in your city or county and get it done for free. They will also give you meds if you need it also as everything is confidential. I typically go once a year for a complete STD screening as my own Dr charges $200 plus.
"Confidential" means that if you test positive you automatically go on a government list but other people cannot find out if you do not give them permission.
However, everytime you apply for insurance, you have to give them permission to see ALL your medical records.
Many job applications also require you to give them permission to see ALL your medical records.
So "confidential" means nothing really.
"Annonymous" means that they never know your name, so no one can connect you and your test results.
However, there may be some way to avoid giving your real name to the public health department so that you can get free medical care and avoid anything going in your records.
[QUOTE=Prowler069]Fellows why pay $200 bucks to get tested confidentially when you can go to the public health dept in your city or county and get it done for free. They will also give you meds if you need it also as everything is confidential. I typically go once a year for a complete STD screening as my own Dr charges $200 plus.[/QUOTE]
So, for the last 8 years probably i have had a recurring rash in my groin area.
I went to the doc a few years back(i'm embarrassed, so that's why i haven't been back) and he gave me some cream to use, which i do when it itches. Seems to get worse after exercise. The cream works great and the rash/itchiness goes away, but always comes back.
Do you guys think its some fungus i might have picked up at an AMP? I also just got checked for chlamydia and gonorrhea and both negative. Herpes also negative.
Anyone have had a similar rash/itch in the groin area?
Friends, Less than three weeks ago I had completely covered sex with a provider. I am 90% sure i have herpes. Went to one of the anonymous test places ($373) and results were negative for gonorrhea, syphilis and chlamydia. I feel like crap and my dick is in Pain. There were no nodules (small and easy to miss) until today at the base of my penis.
My first plea is how to tell my wife of 37 years. She HATES people who cheat and if she doesn't kill me (no joke), she will clean me out. I have recently lost my job and will be on the streets.
Second of all, what can I do for this God-awful pain? I have been told by the "counselor" at the test place that I may have a sore inside the urethra.
Having dark thought of suicide.
This provider was chosen because she does EVERYTHING covered. I have only once seen a provider before, and now this.
Looking for help here...