Thai independents

[QUOTE=Skooby;6944000]Even though it's been a few months I'll add a report on Vandara. I don't hobby much so I see the same ladies. The last few times with Vandara got worse with each visit.

The massage was still nice but she shorted me 10 minutes. The next time I went again shorted 10 minutes. This time I bring it to her attention as I was getting dressed. This last and final time I went she shorted me 15 minutes! I pointed to the clock and she just said time over! At the door she just kept rushing me for a tip. I give $5 and left. Obviously I won't go back again.[/QUOTE]That stinks. I think she's a YMMV type situation. I had a better experience than you when I saw her, but even though she's got amazing boobs, I wasn't compelled enough to re-visit. I've heard from one person her menu can expand with repeated visits.

Visited Nira in Tysons, pretty popular on TER.

PROS.

Attractive, accurate pictures.

Solid IOP with few cracks.

Lets you pound away.

Seems open to facial finish although my dream didn't take that turn.

CONS.

Price is now $$$ hr no budging and no HH.

Initially into DFK but over the course of the hour she checked out.

Was not particularly responsive to DATY

Personally not into MM breasts would not have visited if the other site had accurately listed the implants.

Compared to some of the disasters I've seen with bedpage Thais I get why she's popular but a one and done for me.

$$. 4 to $$. 6 is my limit for that kind of experience, not GFE or enough IOP or whatever I need to justify $$$ in my mind. YMMV.

Vandara has had a time-keeping problem for years, but she also gives one of the best massages around. And she's an especially good value when she runs one of her 90 minute specials.

I know for a fact that she's aware of this shortcoming, because I've personally talked to her about it and (when she was renting a room from another Thai provider), that other provider also talked to her about it.

If you want to go to the trouble, one way to deal with it is to be completely open about your expectations before you hand over the fee. You should always be polite, of course, but it's perfectly acceptable to say that you expect the full time and, if you get the full session, you'll be sure to tip appropriately. OTOH, if the session is cut short, the same will happen with the tip.

You could even set a countdown timer on your phone or watch for the allotted time. If you think that might offend her, or affect the massage or session, I wouldn't worry. Her massage skills are such that they're almost on autopilot. She has a routine and doesn't really vary much. And, since she's well aware of her time issues, she shouldn't be surprised if you address it directly.

Again, a client shouldn't need to jump through these kinds of hoops. I only mention it because your post makes it sound like you'd see her again, if not for being shorted on time. She also is one of the older providers, which you said is a positive for you. So, if the combination of older + great massage + value is important for you, then dealing with her in a firm, but polite, way could be worth trying.

FWIW, I've used this approach with Vandara and it worked reasonably well. She didn't get offended and my sessions usually lasted the full time or within a few minutes of it.

You didn't specify exactly what "older provider" means to you as far as age range, but some of the more mature Thai masseuses include KK (Dunn Loring), Nikki (Fair Oaks), Tara, Luna, and Ronda (last 3 in Annandale).

P.S. Also important to not let her do the HE soon after you flip. Tell her you really want to enjoy the massage first and that you want the finish only at the very end of your time.

[QUOTE=ArtistOfWar1;6944001]I never met Vandara but Mint and Ava are good L1 providers IME.[/QUOTE]What is "L1"?

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;6944478]Vandara has had a time-keeping problem for years, but she also gives one of the best massages around. And she's an especially good value when she runs one of her 90 minute specials.

I know for a fact that she's aware of this shortcoming, because I've personally talked to her about it and (when she was renting a room from another Thai provider), that other provider also talked to her about it.

If you want to go to the trouble, one way to deal with it is to be completely open about your expectations before you hand over the fee. You should always be polite, of course, but it's perfectly acceptable to say that you expect the full time and, if you get the full session, you'll be sure to tip appropriately. OTOH, if the session is cut short, the same will happen with the tip.

You could even set a countdown timer on your phone or watch for the allotted time. If you think that might offend her, or affect the massage or session, I wouldn't worry. Her massage skills are such that they're almost on autopilot. She has a routine and doesn't really vary much. And, since she's well aware of her time issues, she shouldn't be surprised if you address it directly.

Again, a client shouldn't need to jump through these kinds of hoops. I only mention it because your post makes it sound like you'd see her again, if not for being shorted on time. She also is one of the older providers, which you said is a positive for you. So, if the combination of older + great massage + value is important for you, then dealing with her in a firm, but polite, way could be worth trying.

FWIW, I've used this approach with Vandara and it worked reasonably well. She didn't get offended and my sessions usually lasted the full time or within a few minutes of it.

You didn't specify exactly what "older provider" means to you as far as age range, but some of the more mature Thai masseuses include KK (Dunn Loring), Nikki (Fair Oaks), Tara, Luna, and Ronda (last 3 in Annandale).

P.S. Also important to not let her do the HE soon after you flip. Tell her you really want to enjoy the massage first and that you want the finish only at the very end of your time.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tips. I'm in my mid-40's. When I say older I mean early 50's to even the early 60's.

[QUOTE=Skooby;6944810]What is "L1"?[/QUOTE]The level of service you are looking for.

[QUOTE=Skooby;6944813]Thanks for the tips. I'm in my mid-40's. When I say older I mean early 50's to even the early 60's.[/QUOTE]Most of the providers I listed are close to your age, or a bit older. As with many Asian women, they can look significantly younger than their chronological age. Also, both Luna and Tara offer haircut + massage sessions. Comes in handy if you're in need of a trim.

Bottom-line, all are mature and give great massages without any worries about being shorted on time.

Man there are a lot of newer younger providers on Bedpage: Lanna, Sarina, Diyar, Amanda, Nora, Patricia—anyone sampled these? This board needs some folks to TOFTT and report. I'll do one or two!

This board keeps going to the crusty old providers like Tara, Vandana and what not.

Sarina is a post op ladyboy, I took the plunge 3 years ago, didn't know about it and that time.

Nora is a little expensive for me.

Patricia is showing some older pictures, didn't take the plunge.

I've been busy with Zina (she left), Mali, and sometimes Nira. Waiting to see Diyar specifically.

Wanted to see Lana the other day but ended up seeing Zina.

[QUOTE=Ffx100;6950662]Man there are a lot of newer younger providers on Bedpage: Lanna, Sarina, Diyar, Amanda, Nora, Patriciaanyone sampled these? This board needs some folks to TOFTT and report. I'll do one or two![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Samizza;6951432]This board keeps going to the crusty old providers like Tara, Vandana and what not.

Sarina is a post op ladyboy, I took the plunge 3 years ago, didn't know about it and that time.

Nora is a little expensive for me.

Patricia is showing some older pictures, didn't take the plunge.

I've been busy with Zina (she left), Mali, and sometimes Nira. Waiting to see Diyar specifically.

Wanted to see Lana the other day but ended up seeing Zina.[/QUOTE]I tried seeing some of the above mentioned and they require me to send a picture and that's a no for me so I haven't seen anyone new. Did anyone else have the same issue?

[QUOTE=Samizza;6951432]This board keeps going to the crusty old providers like Tara, Vandana and what not.

Sarina is a post op ladyboy, I took the plunge 3 years ago, didn't know about it and that time.

Nora is a little expensive for me.

Patricia is showing some older pictures, didn't take the plunge.

I've been busy with Zina (she left), Mali, and sometimes Nira. Waiting to see Diyar specifically.

Wanted to see Lana the other day but ended up seeing Zina.[/QUOTE]Not every one who sees a Thai Indie is looking for FS. In fact, one of the reasons the more mature providers get high marks is for the quality of their massage. Many of the younger providers either don't care much about the massage part of the session, or their skills are lacking.

Another reason is because the older providers tend to be local and generally care about their reputations and developing a regular clientele. The younger Thai women are more likely to be non-local and could be hit-or-miss when it comes to customer service.

And then there's the cost issue. KK and Tara, and some others, haven't raised prices in over 10 years. In a world of rampant inflation and GPS mindset, that's quite refreshing, IMO. For anyone who wants a good massage + a bit extra, that's a hell of a deal!

Plenty of fish in the sea, so to each according to their own tastes.

Nopes, no picture sharing for me.

[QUOTE=PapiKulo;6952214]I tried seeing some of the above mentioned and they require me to send a picture and that's a no for me so I haven't seen anyone new. Did anyone else have the same issue?[/QUOTE]

Makes perfect sense. Two of the Thai crews also care about their reputation. One on Crianza and the other one on Peridot. Also the girls in these two crews stay for at least 3 months, and most keep coming back.

But you are right, some of the older providers actually live here, and are. More concerned about customer service.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;6952752]Not every one who sees a Thai Indie is looking for FS. In fact, one of the reasons the more mature providers get high marks is for the quality of their massage. Many of the younger providers either don't care much about the massage part of the session, or their skills are lacking.

Another reason is because the older providers tend to be local and generally care about their reputations and developing a regular clientele. The younger Thai women are more likely to be non-local and could be hit-or-miss when it comes to customer service.

And then there's the cost issue. KK and Tara, and some others, haven't raised prices in over 10 years. In a world of rampant inflation and GPS mindset, that's quite refreshing, IMO. For anyone who wants a good massage + a bit extra, that's a hell of a deal!

Plenty of fish in the sea, so to each according to their own tastes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ffx100;6950662]Man there are a lot of newer younger providers on Bedpage: Lanna, Sarina, Diyar, Amanda, Nora, Patriciaanyone sampled these? This board needs some folks to TOFTT and report. I'll do one or two![/QUOTE]I've visited Nora a couple times and was amazed at how beautiful she was. Her pictures are definitely real. Her ads call out that she's modeled and I don't doubt it. Very cute and bubbly attitude. She can be a bit on the pricier side, but offers some things that are a bit unique. I'm pretty vanilla though, so haven't partaken too much. Only slight disappointment that she doesn't do BBBJs and not too heavy on the DFK (she'll partake, but doesn't seem passionate about it). Maybe she'll indulge if you ask for it, but I'm not one to push too hard. Her English is pretty good too, so I've enjoyed the conversations I've had with her.

Appreciate some fresh air.

[QUOTE=RustyShackle24;6954678]I've visited Nora a couple times and was amazed at how beautiful she was. Her pictures are definitely real. Her ads call out that she's modeled and I don't doubt it. Very cute and bubbly attitude. She can be a bit on the pricier side, but offers some things that are a bit unique. I'm pretty vanilla though, so haven't partaken too much. Only slight disappointment that she doesn't do BBBJs and not too heavy on the DFK (she'll partake, but doesn't seem passionate about it). Maybe she'll indulge if you ask for it, but I'm not one to push too hard. Her English is pretty good too, so I've enjoyed the conversations I've had with her.[/QUOTE]