Rants, Raves, and Opinions

[QUOTE=Travlnmn;2283996]What is going on here is just nuts. JohnKat may have good intentions in supplying a nice safe location. He is providing a service to mongers who perhaps can't afford a motel, or just don't want to pay for a room that they only use for an hour or so, or worry about going to a girl's incall for safety reasons. And maybe the girls are throwing him a few bones. I can't say but certainly the impression is there. But what is happening here is extremely risky. And for what reward? We all take a risk when we pick up a streetwalker for example. The risk is the girl and possibly her pimp, and also the police. We weigh the risks and the reward and gamble. Most times we get away with it. Other times it is cash and dash, poor service, or if really a bad day, we get arrested. But if arrested, we may be able to get out of it but even if not, it is a misdemeanor. But setting your house / apartment up as a house of prostitution is a felony. If those girls are ever arrested for anything, drugs, prostitution, etc does anyone think that they would NOT give up JohnKat to the police in return for a lighter sentence because JohnKat is a nice guy? Would they tell the police they were paying JohnKat? Or if JohnKat pissed someone off they could easily report him to the police. And my impression was that the location is West Allis. Never been to JohnKats but West Allis is a bedroom community of single family homes. Neighbors watch what is going on. And will report what is going on. And West Allis PD is the kind that would act on the complaint.

My neighbors would certainly wonder what an old guy like me is doing walking into my house with a hot 20 something.

So if JohnKat is aware of the problems, aware of the risks and rewards, then I can only shake my head and say "Good Luck".

Here is the info on Wisconsin Law.

[URL]http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/state-crime/pandering-laws-wisconsin.htm[/URL]

Pimping and Pandering.

In Wisconsin it is also illegal to:

Pimp (make money from a prostitutes earnings).

Pander (facilitate prostitution, including maintaining a house of prostitution), and solicit or entice someone to become a prostitute.

Ex is. Stat. Ann. 944.32, -33 & -34; & 948.07.).

Punishment.

The penalties for the crimes described above vary according to the offense, and whether or not a minor was involved.

Pimping and pandering.

Pimping is a Class F felony, which incurs a fine of up to $25,000, up to 12 years and six months in prison, or both.

Pandering is a Class A misdemeanor, and incurs a fine of up to $10,000, up to nine months in jail, or both.

It is a Class H felony to solicit or entice someone to become a prostitute, or to keep a house of prostitution. Penalties include a fine of up to $10,000, up to six years in prison, or both.

For a definition of a house of prostitution see [URL]http://definitions.uslegal.com/h/house-of-prostitution/[/URL].[/QUOTE]As a result of this post, the number of guys bringing girls over to my house has been reduced from eight (including me) to zero (including me). Perhaps providing LE with my exact address and date and time of any future appt would have made things easier on them. I only have a core group of guys that I let use my house. A core group of guys refers to a guy like Milwaukee Steve who has used my name in the past to get an appointment with a provider. Within twelve hours of his appt, I get a nice text from the provider thanking me for the referral and telling me what a nice friend I have. I have referred a guy to CL Jenna who stiffed her for $100. I referred a guy to Torry who, in the heat of passion, promised her an extra $250 for BB Anal. After they finished, he went out to his car to get the money and never came back. Thee are guys that have asked for 25% discounts because they popped 45 minutes into a 60 minute appt. I tried to add guys to my core group which is shring due to attrition, but have only managed to increase my ignore list instead. I don't really care where and whern my core group sees any new UTR provider. I just want the assholes to stay away.

[blue]Smart move, crossing your real life with this dream world is rarely a good idea.

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[QUOTE=Milwpussyhound;2283982]Hey Waldo, I am taking it easy on JK. I even said he gives great reliable info. So Waldo, why are you quoting me and then saying to take it easy on him? I know this already. I would still like to read his answer to the Admin2 question. I don't concider that unreasonable or being hard on him.[/QUOTE]I agree completely!

[QUOTE=Waldo999;2284684]I agree completely![/QUOTE]It is apparent that I have upset some people by "promoting" providers. In the past when I have been with a provider with a hot body that I had a good time with I would ask her if I can take some pictures. I would then tell her that my plans were to send the pictures privately to guys I knew were in the same hobby as I. I would then post about my experience asking interested seniors and contributing members to send me their email address. I would then email them the pics. Most often, the pics wouldn't be allowed till a level of trust was establiched with the provider possibly the third or fourth date. As a result, I often would have a post about a good experience with a good provider and a follow up post about the pictures. I will now limit myself to the initial post only.

[QUOTE=Johnkat111;2284990]It is apparent that I have upset some people by "promoting" providers. In the past when I have been with a provider with a hot body that I had a good time with I would ask her if I can take some pictures. I would then tell her that my plans were to send the pictures privately to guys I knew were in the same hobby as I. I would then post about my experience asking interested seniors and contributing members to send me their email address. I would then email them the pics. Most often, the pics wouldn't be allowed till a level of trust was establiched with the provider possibly the third or fourth date. As a result, I often would have a post about a good experience with a good provider and a follow up post about the pictures. I will now limit myself to the initial post only.[/QUOTE]Nothing you're saying here is beyond reporting a good experience. You can do this all you want. Send the pic. If the guy writes you back and says "hey she's hot, I want to see her" then ship him her contact info (not on the forum) and wash your hands of it.

The issue I have with you or anybody else is AFTER they say "Hey I want to see her" and the guy stays involved. It's especially bad if the guy is the SOLE way that other guys can get to her.

You know I respect you and we've talked a lot. I'm not going to get sucked into taking sides here, I think all that's being said is don't say " is a great fuck and will be available at a safe location tomorrow. Contact ME to make an appt. " The "ME" appears to be the problem here. Let them contact the provider directly.

[QUOTE=Stallis;2286569]. Contact ME to make an appt. " The "ME" appears to be the problem here. Let them contact the provider directly.[/QUOTE]Dead nutz right on. And let the girls do their own promoting.

[QUOTE=ScooterAllCity;2286575]Dead nutz right on. And let the girls do their own promoting.[/QUOTE]You guys are right. She makes her own appointments. I just provide digits.

[blue]Perfect, glad we could work it out.

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Well we have all seen the "100% me or free" postings. Then there are the "1000% me or free" postings. Last week I even saw a few 10,000% me postings and even one!,000,000% me posting. And of course all of the postings had phoney pics. So, I was wondering if anyone has ever clipped the coupon and gotten a free visit. The one that really made me chuckle was the lady that posted if it was not her in the pics you got 75% off the quoted rate. Lmfao.

And then I was pondering why they call this a "hobby"? I thought hobbies were supposed to be fun. This "hobby" is more like work and certainly provides more irritation and frustration than fun. Oh well. Maybe I will tae up a new fun hobby, something like spoon collecting. OFG over and out Hope everyone is having fun and a great week.

I believe there comes a point where an addict stops using drugs and the drugs start using the addict. I believe that if someone gave Gia a wad of cash large enough to travel to another town and set up a pimpless existence, she would instead head for her dealers house where she would be dead of an overdose within three days. Although I believe all pimps should be strung up by the balls untill they are dead, I returned Gia to her pimp because there is not a doubt in my mind that it is her only chance for survival.

[QUOTE=OlderFunGuy;2293489]Well we have all seen the "100% me or free" postings. Then there are the "1000% me or free" postings. Last week I even saw a few 10,000% me postings and even one!,000,000% me posting. And of course all of the postings had phoney pics. So, I was wondering if anyone has ever clipped the coupon and gotten a free visit. The one that really made me chuckle was the lady that posted if it was not her in the pics you got 75% off the quoted rate. Lmfao.

And then I was pondering why they call this a "hobby"? I thought hobbies were supposed to be fun. This "hobby" is more like work and certainly provides more irritation and frustration than fun. Oh well. Maybe I will tae up a new fun hobby, something like spoon collecting. OFG over and out Hope everyone is having fun and a great week.[/QUOTE]You know the thing where you plan a vacation for months and months? It turns out, that's actually where most of the pleasure from a vacation occurs--in the planning.

That's probably also true for weddings. All sorts of intricate planning--for one day of ridiculous insanity that all by itself who could possibly enjoy?

Same thing with the hobby. Embrace the hunt. All the ins and outs and what have yous. There's very little to it besides that--that is worth experiencing, that is.

[QUOTE=Popeyemadison;2300040]You know the thing where you plan a vacation for months and months? It turns out, that's actually where most of the pleasure from a vacation occurs--in the planning.

That's probably also true for weddings. All sorts of intricate planning--for one day of ridiculous insanity that all by itself who could possibly enjoy?

Same thing with the hobby. Embrace the hunt. All the ins and outs and what have yous. There's very little to it besides that--that is worth experiencing, that is.[/QUOTE]Point well taken and I agree Sometimes even a blind squirrel finds a nut!

I was driving past the airport and at Motel 6 there was a squad car and it appeared to be an undercover vehicle also. Some guy was being put into the squad car. Don't know if it was a bust or something else.

A little over a year ago I found myself single again. Approaching my mid 40's I was certainly in no hurry to jump into another relationship but I also wasn't celibate either. I had placed a few ads on CL and had my experiences with mongering here and there. Around this time last year I had placed a CL ad for "maid services". This is where I met my UTR girl, Tina. She was looking for a little extra money for the holidays and it only took a few emails for her to realize what I wanted.

I was pleasantly suprised when she arrived at my place, 35 ish, brunette, nice body with a little baby fat, great titties. I played it as cool as I could, we had some drinks and relaxed while talking. She was divorced, 3 kids, worked as an office manager, etc. She had never answered. An ad like mine before (aren't they ALL virgins? LOL) but she wanted to give her kids a nice Christmas. Seeing as we were being so open I asked her point blank if she used drugs. She admitted that she liked a little weed on occasion but she wasnt into anything else. She asked if I would mind if she had a little smoke before we got started. Soon the fun began.

This woman was awesome! I don't think I'd ever had such an incredible BJ before and she was surprisingly tight for having 3 kids. She stayed more than 3 hours and the only thing she was specific about was no anal play. I could tell she was enjoying herself as much as I was. I'm positive she came 4 times, or was a hell of an actress. I slipped 200 into her purse before she left.

She became my regular thing. We would email or text here and there to see if our schedules worked. In the first two months I probably saw her 8 times. On weekends when she didn't have her kids she would stay the night and would fuck like teenagers (thank you Viagra) I started buying lingerie for her to wear for me, which she gladly did. After 3 months of our trysts she willingly gave up the back door and seemed to enjoy it. I'd make her breakfast and we got along great. I started thinking that this was better than a relationship. She never seemed to want more than a physical relationship and a little extra money.

Fast forward to this past June or July. The sex was still good but she started to seem distracted. She wasn't as interested in hooking up and it was happening less and less frequent. I figured that she. Either had found a better deal or perhaps met someone.

This past Saturday I get a text from her asking if I was interested in playing. I told her I was. She arrived at 6 ish, we sat in my hot tub and had some drinks and got started. She excused herself to use the bathroom and I sat and sipped my scotch. After about 10 minutes I hear her car start and she leaves. I ran in the house and found that she had cleaned my wallet out of 150.00 and grabbed my big change jar from my dresser (maybe 50 in change). She left a note on the dresser saying she was sorry.

After all of the advice about "keeping pets" from Lefty and the like, I found I had fallen into the trap. I never old have guessed she'd steal from me like that but anything is possible in this crazy world.

It's too bad. She was one I could have kept.

Roland.

[QUOTE=RolandDeschain;2301443]A little over a year ago I found myself single again. Approaching my mid 40's I was certainly in no hurry to jump into another relationship but I also wasn't celibate either. I had placed a few ads on CL and had my experiences with mongering here and there. Around this time last year I had placed a CL ad for "maid services". This is where I met my UTR girl, Tina. She was looking for a little extra money for the holidays and it only took a few emails for her to realize what I wanted.

I was pleasantly suprised when she arrived at my place, 35 ish, brunette, nice body with a little baby fat, great titties. I played it as cool as I could, we had some drinks and relaxed while talking. She was divorced, 3 kids, worked as an office manager, etc. She had never answered. An ad like mine before (aren't they ALL virgins? LOL) but she wanted to give her kids a nice Christmas. Seeing as we were being so open I asked her point blank if she used drugs. She admitted that she liked a little weed on occasion but she wasnt into anything else. She asked if I would mind if she had a little smoke before we got started. Soon the fun began.

This woman was awesome! I don't think I'd ever had such an incredible BJ before and she was surprisingly tight for having 3 kids. She stayed more than 3 hours and the only thing she was specific about was no anal play. I could tell she was enjoying herself as much as I was. I'm positive she came 4 times, or was a hell of an actress. I slipped 200 into her purse before she left.

She became my regular thing. We would email or text here and there to see if our schedules worked. In the first two months I probably saw her 8 times. On weekends when she didn't have her kids she would stay the night and would fuck like teenagers (thank you Viagra) I started buying lingerie for her to wear for me, which she gladly did. After 3 months of our trysts she willingly gave up the back door and seemed to enjoy it. I'd make her breakfast and we got along great. I started thinking that this was better than a relationship. She never seemed to want more than a physical relationship and a little extra money.

Fast forward to this past June or July. The sex was still good but she started to seem distracted. She wasn't as interested in hooking up and it was happening less and less frequent. I figured that she. Either had found a better deal or perhaps met someone.

This past Saturday I get a text from her asking if I was interested in playing. I told her I was. She arrived at 6 ish, we sat in my hot tub and had some drinks and got started. She excused herself to use the bathroom and I sat and sipped my scotch. After about 10 minutes I hear her car start and she leaves. I ran in the house and found that she had cleaned my wallet out of 150.00 and grabbed my big change jar from my dresser (maybe 50 in change). She left a note on the dresser saying she was sorry.

After all of the advice about "keeping pets" from Lefty and the like, I found I had fallen into the trap. I never old have guessed she'd steal from me like that but anything is possible in this crazy world.

It's too bad. She was one I could have kept.

Roland.[/QUOTE]Thats sad. Worse yet, why would she burn your for such a small amount when now ruins a friendship and continued cash flow. All she would have to do is spend another 30 minutes with you and she'd have what she wanted and not ruin a good thing. My advice is if you are going to have a UTR like that you need to know more about them than they know about you. Name, address, phone, and all their relatives. Even though I trust my UTRs, I do keep my wallet out of site, locked up. The only cash I keep is what they will be getting and I put it in a different place each time. There are time I haven't and it turned out ok. But thanks to your story I'm going start being more careful again, despite that both of my UTRs seem fairly trustworthy and drug free.

[QUOTE=LookingForLefty;2301486]Thats sad. Worse yet, why would she burn your for such a small amount when now ruins a friendship and continued cash flow. All she would have to do is spend another 30 minutes with you and she'd have what she wanted and not ruin a good thing. My advice is if you are going to have a UTR like that you need to know more about them than they know about you. Name, address, phone, and all their relatives. Even though I trust my UTRs, I do keep my wallet out of site, locked up. The only cash I keep is what they will be getting and I put it in a different place each time. There are time I haven't and it turned out ok. But thanks to your story I'm going start being more careful again, despite that both of my UTRs seem fairly trustworthy and drug free.[/QUOTE]I did know her info. Full name, address, etc. I just chalk it up to a bad experience. She had never given me any reason to not trust her so I let my guard down.