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This is my first post, but I'm a longtime lurker. I didn't have the proper set up to post but want to thank all the posters for the great info. Now onto the information about CLV.
I've actually am going to go out on a limb here and say that I actually prefer CLV over the Executive.
At CLV, the talent is very hit and miss. You have the Grandmas that have been there forever, but lately seem to be getting some better talent in their 20's and 30's. The only problem is going when they are available.
Susan is my favorite. She has brown hair a nice body and good face, tits are a little on the saggy side, probably around 28 y.o. Her massage technique is good. Usual rules apply but is fluent in russian.
Amy is kind of what I would call your typical stripper in the looks dept. Dirty blonde hair, 30ish, decent body, small tits. Good massage with some russian.
They have a couple other 30 to 40 something gals that I have not seen yet, but all in all CLV is getting better
I've going to the Executive over the past 6 months, and thought I would give a breakdown of some of the different girls I've seen there. The list is in no paticular order as each girl rates about the overall same.
Jenny-For beginners out there, this would be a good starting point. Jenny has a cute face with blond hair, probably 35ish, decent body, a little big from the butt down. Jenny gives a nice massage, and she likes to chat about various things, but gets down to business at appropriate time.
Kara-Kara I would say gives the best rubdown. She has brown curly hair with a cute face, probably about the same age as Jenny, and similar body type. Kara likes to give special attention to the butt area during rubdown, and delivers an overall nice finish.
Dora-As talked about on this board, Dora is a little different. She has an accent, I think Polish. She has large fake D's, and a nice body and face. Dora overall is probably the best looking body and face. But she is somewhat mechanical, and tends to talk about weird stuff during the massage. I would only repeat with Dora, if no other good choice is available.
Late 20's biracial girl whom I can't remember her name. She is a pretty girl with a great ass and small tata's. She's very mechanical and not very fun. I'm sorry I can't rember her name. Would not repeat.
Booger
[QUOTE=Call Me Booger]This is my first post, but I'm a longtime lurker. I didn't have the proper set up to post but want to thank all the posters for the great info. Now onto the information about CLV.
I've actually am going to go out on a limb here and say that I actually prefer CLV over the Executive.
At CLV, the talent is very hit and miss. You have the Grandmas that have been there forever, but lately seem to be getting some better talent in their 20's and 30's. The only problem is going when they are available.
Susan is my favorite. She has brown hair a nice body and good face, tits are a little on the saggy side, probably around 28 y.o. Her massage technique is good. Usual rules apply but is fluent in russian.
Amy is kind of what I would call your typical stripper in the looks dept. Dirty blonde hair, 30ish, decent body, small tits. Good massage with some russian.
They have a couple other 30 to 40 something gals that I have not seen yet, but all in all CLV is getting better[/QUOTE]
I've also had decent luck at clv. I like the shower in the room, as compared to a shared shower between rooms. More women are available to choose from at Executive, but there haven't been that many fresh faces lately to choose from. I think I saw Susan last time at CLV(been about a month); she did a good job but access was limited. She claimed that it was that time of the month, so the panties didn't even come off. I would like to know that up front before heading back to the room. It was still a good session, considering. Even with the rules these places have, if the girl is creative, it can still be a helluva erotic and satisfying experience.
It's good to keep a little bit of competition going between the joints. The customer can only win.
Ken
Hey Ken Blue Eyes, I agree the shower in the room is nicer, now if they would just get rid of that community soap bar. No offence mongers, but we all don't need to be sharing the same soap.
Now onto a report, I spent time with Ashley, early twenties light brown hair, innocent looking face. Ashley's body would be a 6 in my book. Nice bottom, small up top, and a drinker's belly. Ashley delivers an okay session, nothing out of the ordinary. She gives a decent rub and finish, but nothing to call home about; scratch that probably not calling home would be better. I would only repeat if a better option was not available.
I went in the morning and there were four providers all together. Ginger, older 50 something, who has been mentioned on this board, and I think she is a CLV lifer. Mandy, a late 30 to 40 something that is rail thin dishwater blond hair, with a really make-up filled face. The other gal was I believe Gingers Grandma, which should say everything about her.
Its been a while since my last post. Since then curiosity got me and I finally had a session with Michelle at Executive. All I have to say is "Wow!". This woman's performance is incredible. Although she is older and doesn't have the body of some of the younger girls there (she lost a lot of weight and has a lot of loose skin) she really makes up for it during the session. I particularly liked how she oiled herself up and massaged me by rubbing her body ALL over mine. I've always been partial to the younger better looking girls at Exec. but I wouldn't hesitate to have a repeat session with Michelle.
Booger, you said that you preferred CLV to Exec. but than stated that its hit or miss there. I was just wondering how you could choose CLV. At least in my experiences Executive is always a hit. Neither place is going to break any rules but at least Exec always provides a standard happy ending. Its been quite a while since I've been to CLV so maybe things have changed for the better. I stopped going there about 4 yrs or so ago because service just got horrible. One time I went the whole session w/o even being touched. Talk about feeling like an idiot for paying $85 to watch some girl model around in lingerie. I do agree that the competition between the two places is nice to have. I also used to prefer CLV about 6-7 yrs. ago. It stayed open late at night and Exec. closed at 5. There was also a girl named April there who was my ATF. Any of you longtimers remember her?
Well, I guess I should go. Hopefully if the good post about CLV keep coming in I'll have to give them another shot. Til then you can see me at Exec.
Later,
Slammer
Just a quick reminder that we are heading into the next election cycle.
Think before you post so that you don't give some political hack ammunition for throwing honest people, that work for a living, out on the street.
Suggest that comments are kept to cleanliness, appearance, attitude and would or would not recommend.
Don't ruin the party!
Visited ERS the other day.
Still one of the cleanest places anywhere in the US or the world. Showers re-done, and some new carpeting. Rooms could use some large mirrors. Rooms could also use temperature gauges since they frequently feel cold like a restaurant that wants you to eat fast and run. I'm not sure what the right number is, but I'm guessing that 74-75 degrees would be more comfortable than 66-68.
Still professionally managed. A giant plus with the owner more active in the business.
Staff has been upgraded substantially over the last year, there is still some progress that could be made here including adding some part timers. There used to be part timers. Part timers usually have the best attitudes and frequently the best appearance. For most part timers this is a second job. Answers that I get frequently from part timers are: I don't like sitting at home all day so I come here, I work too many hours and don't get to socialize much so I come here on the way home for a few hours, I need some extra money to party with on the weekends so I work here until 9pm on Fridays and Saturdays then meet my friends at a disco.
Since everyone is now a certified masseuse, there should be a rule put into place that every customer gets a good massage. My back needs the attention. Attendants should have to stay in the room for the full time even if that means sitting there alone, no one likes to be rushed for the next revenue opportunity. Management needs to enforce this with no exceptions, an hour is an hour. This would also be more fair to the workers that take their time with the customers and don't rush them.
I guess that tattoos are in, personally when a girl has more tattoos than my Marine friends, it makes me wonder.
Heading to a Disco? What's that? :)
If ancient memories serve me correctly, a disco is where girls in the 18 to 25 range go to dance.
Donna Summers is still on the top ten isn’t she? Lionel Ritchie still the top crooner?
I need to lather up my platform shoes and press my bell bottoms and make the scene this weekend.
I am so excited that I am going to dust off the needle on my turntable and spin some Bee Gees after I finish this post.
What? They're certified now at ERS? I find that hard to believe, and expensive, too. Do you know how long it takes to be certified? I've always advocated certification because it brings so much value. For me, for instance, I would be less critical about the weight (though I already am because I'm a fan of monster racks).
My understanding is that the socialist political hacks in Springfield required that all employees at clinincs be registered, which I assume also means certified?
Maybe this was just another revenue measure for income redistribution from working people to those who don't work just move paper or stay home watching TV.
Reading the posts about the good old days brought back some 20 year old memories about Belvedere. I'll confine my comments to staffing.
For years, the staffing quality at ERS went down every year as more and more of the rotund (or heavily weathered), 40+, chain-smoking employees began to hang around waiting for their 20 years and a pension.
At any company, once you hit a critical mass of this type, they go after the younger, thinner and more attractive women with a vengeance. This is especially true when there is competition for male attention. Call it jealousy and competition. At one of the brand name companies where I worked, the entire HR department was populated with a few castrated males and a lot of bloated-vindictive want-to-be dykes that were still married or divorced. They made it impossible for any woman under 30 that was even remotely attractive to work there.
I don't know what happened to finally get them out of ERS, I had all but stopped visiting the place. The money at these places is good by any measure and the management should be able to get "good employees" provided that they don't have to let the hags “freeze them out" once they arrive. A lot of the most attractive (and best attitude) employees at this place, and others, were first timers (and or part timers) that needed some extra green and were willing to work hard for 6 month or year then move on.
I hope that ERS continues to move in the right direction.
Lori, Patrice and currently Nicole are the three bels in my mind. Unfortunately, the first two moved on several years ago.
Slammer,
When I mention that CLV is hit or miss, I meant that if the good talent is busy, you don't have a reliable back up choice. I just don't get into the Grandma thing. And yes Executive does have more better looking providers, it's just the same mechanical routine gets rather old after a while. I've found that some of the providers at CLV provide a more creative finish (all within rules).
Also it looks like we have some LEO paranoia going on here. Is there really something to this?
And Chief Wiggum good to see you posting, as newbie/lurker I utilized a lot of your info. Little Booger thanks you.
I stopped in to CLV at the beginning of the day. I think I was the first customer of the day. Anyways, they had four girls working that I could tell. Ashley, Ginger, Mandy and Nancy. All of which have been mentioned on this board recently.
Today, I picked Nancy who is about 5'5", 120 pounds, enhanced up top, probably 38-42 age wise.
Nancy provides one of the best rub-downs, I've had at one of these places. She really tries to give a good massage, with special attention to the lower back and other sore muscles. Her end of massage technique is quite good. I would bump her close to the top of my Belvidere list based on overall performance. Highly Recommend.
I forgot to mention in my previous post the price is now $95 at CLV.
I went to CLV for a change of pace a couple of fridays ago. I chose Susan. She did an ok job, but kept hinting for tips. I hate that. She kept saying the more tip she got the naughtier we would get. She is a good salesman and I ended up throwing an extra $45 into the mix. She is also a "truth stretcher" because nothing extra was available at all. I should have known better after all of this time.
It was a good visit. She has a great rack, and allowed play, but not worth the extra tip. --my opinion
--qn
[QUOTE=Quick Nick]I went to CLV for a change of pace a couple of fridays ago. I chose Susan. She did an ok job, but kept hinting for tips. I hate that. She kept saying the more tip she got the naughtier we would get. She is a good salesman and I ended up throwing an extra $45 into the mix. She is also a "truth stretcher" because nothing extra was available at all. I should have known better after all of this time.
It was a good visit. She has a great rack, and allowed play, but not worth the extra tip. --my opinion
--qn[/QUOTE]
It's been my experience that the providers at CLV are happy with a $20 tip. I tip that much at either place. The increase in the door fee, however, pisses me off a bit. It's not like the service at CLV is 10% better. They're basically the same, except for different providers to choose from.
Ken
What is the expected tip if you get the basic service at one of the belvidere locations? I plan on going to one of them in the next couple of weeks and want to be fair.
The tip is built into the price and un-necessary. These girls make good money.
If you leave five or ten, it is generous. There is no variability in the service and anyone that states differently is blowing smoke.
If you get bad service, find a different provider, the tip wont change the attitude.
Recently I had a visit with someone at Exec who's name I can not remember. Older woman; long dark hair, a little bigger but not fat. Anyway it was my second visit with her and after I paid her I laid $25 on the plate as a tip and she said "how about we go for two times today?". I don't know if she would have said that had I put the $25 down or not, but just thought I'd throw that out.
Also wanted to say that recently I ignored the warnings of not choosing Sarah and had one of the worst Exec experiences I have had. Would definitely not chose her again.
Tipping is optional. I agree that it won't get you additional items on the menu.
I tip for good attitude and technique. I have "not tipped" at Exec when the attitude and/or technique was lacking. The amount to tip is personal; use a percentage that you would for a good waitress, barber, or traditional massage therapist.
Ken
I was at Exec last week and heard a new name....Judy. I did not see her, but am always interested in new talent. Has anyone met her?
Also, while I was there I saw a middle aged woman come down the stairs in business attire. I later confirmed that this is the owner. I am partial to older gals and she was a looker. Anyone know anything about her?
TJ
Your post about tipping makes me feel like less of a cheapskate. I was a frequent visitor to the Exec back before I knew about this board and I never tipped unless the service was exceptional (I had no idea what the protocol was). After reading this board for a few years, I was starting to think that I'd really done these girls a disservice and that everybody else was dropping an extra 50% every time they went, regardless of the service. I still wish I'd been a little more generous, but at least now I don't feel too far out of line.
"The tip is built into the price and un-necessary. These girls make good money.
If you leave five or ten, it is generous. There is no variability in the service and anyone that states differently is blowing smoke.
If you get bad service, find a different provider, the tip wont change the attitude."
Turkey John,
Unless there's been a change, the owner would be Linda, aka Robin, who started ERS with Brandy after they both left CLV back in the mid 70s.
She always DID look good and kept herself up well. I'm sure she could step back into an RA role any time she wanted and give any of her employees a run for their money.
IMHO
Okay, so I decided to try someone different at CLV today-Ginger. I've mentioned Ginger before, and I believe some other board members have too. Ginger is easily 50+ something. She's in good shape for an older gal, and says that she has been at CLV for a long time. I usually opt for the late 20 to early 30 y/old providers, but thought why not let's give her a try. Ginger has an aged face from tanning/smoking, and has a thin body with a little sagginess from age. So she is definately not the most stunning I've seen, or make the top ten for that matter.
But where her looks and age hamper her, her massage skills make up for it. She gives a very good/strong massage. Works out a lot of sore muscles and kinks, and tries very hard to make the massage part of the experience memorable. As she is finishing up the massage, she has a very unique two handed style that was great. Very talented finish.
So would I repeat? Yes, I probably would.
Door Fee $95
Tip $30
Okay, don't slam me for the $30 tip till you try her. It was worth the extra $10.
Booger
Ken Blue Eyes sums up my opinion pretty well. I've talked at length with one of the gals on this subject. Believe me, a tip is expected. I always leave one, 10 would be a bare minimum, 20 average, more depending on the service. (Did you get two pops, was she really enthusiastic, cooperative, etc.)
If you are the kind that doesn't tip a waitress, you won't tip here I guess.
And we don't know how much these gals make, do we? I was always told they got half the door fee and the tips. So, if a gal sees two guys a day, wow, she made a whole 80-90 dollars...
Tips are expected at any Asian Massage Parlor, read the boards. Even with a tip, you're getting good value at Executive.
I usually tip $15 (the change from the hundred I lay out at the beginning of the session). Sometimes a little more (20-25) depending on the service and sometimes not at all depending on the service. Because I usually only get there once every couple of months and usually see a different girl every time I realize that by time I see a girl twice she will have no idea how much I tipped her the first time if any. Usually she doesn't remember me anyhow. That being said I will tip a girl who puts a little extra effort into the session. Maybe by her allowing more hand roaming, a unique finish, or just having a pleasant attitude. However, if she just performs the standard service with nothing extra why should she be rewarded for it? It would provide no incentive to try and make the session more enjoyable if she knows she's getting tipped either way. This usually hasn't been a problem for me at Exec. because the girls there have almost always had very good attitudes during the session.
On another note about a year ago there was a lot of mention of girls at Exec. offering two pops during the session. It doesn't seem that any reports of late include this in the menu. I personally have never been offered it there but have had sessions with girls who were apparently offering it to others. I was just wondering how you go about asking for it. Do you use the words "pops" or "cups of tea" or are those just message board terms? Don't want her thinking I want two cans of coke.
It seems there are a lot more positive posts coming from CLV as of late. I was tossing around the notion of stopping in there next time I'm in town and then I read that they raised their rates to $95. What are they thinking? When you've been the #2 place on the block for at least the last 5 yrs. you don't charge more than your competition. I just hope that Exec. doesn't decide to follow suit.
Well gotta run. Play safe guys.
Slammer
most girls I've talked to don't expect a tip. My guess if the girl expects a tip, expect poor service (though I've never gotten it myself). I may tip either 5 or 10, depending if I've seen the girl before and if she remembers me. Basically, the most my total cash outlay is $100, but I average $90. Don't think that these girls don't make a lot of money. They average what, $40/hr? Granted, they don't work 8 hours a day (I don't even think professional masseuses do), but remember that $40/hr roughly translates to $80k/yr. For what? Handjobs? (some groping, some licking). In reality, the last girl I talked to a lot there (should still work there) worked like maybe 20 hrs/wk. For that economy and for the value that they bring, that's a good deal for them. Think about it, if the money was so bad, we would be seeing a lot of basket cases and girls ranking a 4 on the SW scale. Luckily we get 5s and 6s and the occasional 7. Speaking of which, are there any skinny girls there?
On getting two cups: I just ask for it. If the girl doesn't know what I'm talking about, I let it go and I probably won't tip (or tip small) (yes, yes, yes, I know, I'm a bastard). If the girl is cool about it with no hesitation, then I'll tip my max. Oh, and you have to skip the spa. Last time I was there, most girls want to skip the spa anyway.
Hey Chief,
At CLV during the day-time, there is a super skinny dishwater blond late 30's girl (name might be Mandy). I've seen her in the lobby a couple of times, but I haven't picked her yet. I was going to the other day but she was not available.
Regarding girls asking for tips, some do and some don't. It seems the older ones always say that "Tips are appreciated" at the beginning, but I never tip till the end. I vary from 20 depending on service.
Two pops have been more possible at CLV than at Executive in my experience. I tipped a girl $40 once, and the next session she offered up two pops.
Any reports on Exec?
With all due respect, I disagree with a couple of your points. First, they may make 40 dollars an "hour", but if they only see two clients a day, thats 80 per day. 80 x 5 (if they work five days and most do) = 400 per week. If they work 50 weeks a year, that's 20,000 per year. Now maybe some of the girls may average 4 guys a day, now you're up to 40,000 per year for the most popular ones.
I think the reason you don't see crack ho's and basket cases there are simple.
One, they would not hire them, it would be bad for business and Exec has proven they're no dummies. Two, they would not make any money. Not enough people would pick the crack ho more than maybe once a day if she was lucky, and 40 bucks doesn't buy much crack.
I'm also stunned that the girls you've talked to don't expect a tip. I've had lengthy conversations with several of the girls, and recall their complaints about guys stiffing them. (pun intended.)
One girl actually worked it into the conversation at the beginning of the massage. I told her I always tip for a happy ending, and that I tip additional if I had more than one cup of coffee. Man, she perked up immediately and went about enthusiastically serving me more than one cup. It was one of my best sessions there and I tipped accordingly.
As for how to ask, if you ask about "multiples" the girls know what you mean.
Keep in mind not all will do it. Dora won't, but since she is the hottest one there I'm sure she does allright on a numbers basis.
As far as "multiple cups" at Executive are concerned. Choose Kara. If she sees you at "full staff" before even starting, she will suggest it. That has been my exprirence anyway. She also has a nice technique that allows for a happy ending while lying on your stomach. Kind of unique.
Clients, Rate, Wk 5 days, 50 week year
...1..... 40....... 200..... 10000
...2..... 40....... 400..... 20000
...3..... 40....... 600..... 30000
...4..... 40....... 800..... 40000
...5..... 40..... 1000..... 50000
...6..... 40..... 1200..... 60000
...7..... 40..... 1400..... 70000
...8..... 40..... 1600..... 80000
Top earners probably do better
If you call for an appointment, that ties them up for two hours.
TJ
[QUOTE=Chief_Wiggum]most girls I've talked to don't expect a tip. My guess if the girl expects a tip, expect poor service (though I've never gotten it myself).............On getting two cups: I just ask for it. If the girl doesn't know what I'm talking about, I let it go and I probably won't tip (or tip small) (yes, yes, yes, I know, I'm a bastard). If the girl is cool about it with no hesitation, then I'll tip my max. Oh, and you have to skip the spa. Last time I was there, most girls want to skip the spa anyway.[/QUOTE]
You think that's bad - I NEVER tip at ERS. Never had a bad time except with Dora who was talkative and impersonal. Great body and great looking - but boring otherwise. Tipping is NOT expected - just appreciated. If I go to an AMP - it's $40 for 30 minutes and another .4 for the HJ. That's the rate - and that's what I do at ERS as well. Yeah - I'm a fuckin' cheapskate.
I take that back - the one time I did tip (.2) was with a tall blonde - green eyes - who gave me two shots - and that was worth it. Her technique was amazing.
ci-traveler
I see CI-Traveler and I are from the same stock. If I wanted expensive sex, I would still be seeing my last gold-digger girlfriend.
Shadow, I know where you are coming from. Even if I don't post about it, I do have compassion about it. But, I've come to the realization that 1) they actually chose to be in that situation; 2) if circumstances beyond their control put them there (i.e. in that position, no pun intended), they are going to need more than their own resources to get them out. For example, like 90% have kids, mostly through teen pregnancy. Home life probably wasn't that great either. This job gives them the money and flexibility to be at home and be a semi-good provider. I'm not going to name names, but one girl was able to buy a house. Also, they're all independent contractors, so other than health insurance (which I haven't asked about, maybe I'll take a trip this month), they can work the taxes to their benefit (i.e. they deduct everything). Anyway, I'll get off the soapbox for now.
What does Kara look like? Dora is that hot? I thought she was overweight like the majority of them?
Been a long time lurker and finally registered.
At Executive you get a service. A massage and good company with a happy ending. It is only rite to tip. If you get a massage at a day spa you tip. If you go to a restaurant you tip. It is expected. These girls can't tell you you must tip or they risk thier jobs. They can't tell you much of how they really feel or they can be fired.
You truly are cheep if you don't tip.
I have been going to that place for years and see various girls. I am thankful for that place and the service provided. I respect the girls and show it. I don't judge these girls for what they do or how they look. WE are the ones going there paying them for "attention" in everyway. They are there to make a living. We are the ones who should be looking in the mirror if we want to judge anyone.
We pick them. They do not pick us. I am sure "from what a few girls have told me" if they could deny half of us they would.
Just my 2 cents.
Ive seen Kara once about a year ago. Shes has baby fat but has nice cans and is a lil bit better than average and is really down to earth. I recommend her. Ive never seen Dora so the time is cumming.
Dora is in my opinion way hotter than the other girls at exec. Her face is beautiful, when you see her sitting with the others you'll notice the difference. She's got short blonde hair, nice complexion, great lips and eyes. She's a little on the "thick" side, but her body is very nice, firm in all the right places, still has a flat stomach. Her boobs are big and store bought, but on her body they fit her nicely.
She is a sweet gal, but you'll get "less" with her than almost any of the others, she has rules and off limits, and just forget about mulitple cups of coffee. She is cooperative and sensuous within her limits. It's just a trade-off.
Good sharing of opinion and info lately guys, that's what we're here for...
Ci-traveler, I look at it the same way, but you have to admit it's getting harder and harder to find an HJ for 80 at the AMPS as common as it once was.
P.S. Kara is not bad looking, and a little younger than some of the others. I haven't seen her personally, but all I can remember are good posts about her.
She will do multiples according to one of the gals, and I've enjoyed more than one with Michelle and Sherry.
For all the talk, Republicans hate a free market.
The Feds have been going after the AMPs with a vengence. For some strange reason they think the girls working there are sex slaves. IMHO they are trying to make some money to get out of poverty when they return home from their tourist visa. $15K goes a long way in Vietnam or Korea.
Supply diminished+same demand=higher prices
Bush's father used the FBI to shut down about 50-75 places around DC when he was elected. Word was that it offended him. Probably threw about 300-500 single mothers out on the street and into the waiting McD jobs. Higher moral ground?
So much for free will.
A woman owns her own body if she wants an abortion.
A woman does not own her own body if she wants to sell it.
So it would be better if they had abortions than had the kid and tried to support them the best they can. Higher moral ground?
Are poor mothers really better parents?