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KBGs rely on suckers to make money; since there's one born every minute, they're rich (no let them fool you) for playing plenty guys who bite their BS bait. The job of a KBG is to soften and tenderize you for the kill. The objective of the KBG is to leave you lifeless, penniless, & hopeless (you're already mindless to reach this advanced stage).
If it sounds too good, it probably is full of brown. Some LVBs are so flattered by the KBG BS they should become dung beetles; might as well because they eat all that shit up clean, anyway (and enjoy it).
Some KBGs appear to be slow in the KB; no more customer. No believe what you see because it's what you can't see that will shock you. You won't believe what they'll do for money outside the bar; not some, ALL. They all have some outside shenanigans going on for money or favors. That's the way it is and no let them try to convince you otherwise. They all get the million-and-one excuses; they are professionals (liars, cheats, thieves) no doubt. I wouldn't want to be around when it does come around.I started to wonder if my KBGF is doing something outside the bar to supplement her income. Just yesterday, after our lunch, she asked me to drop her off at a super market to buy stuff for cooking later. I asked her if she would like me to wait for her, she said "NO". So I drove away, but then I turned around a few second later and found her walking somewhere else. Humm! Why was she lying to me? She seemed always nice to me, always texted how much she likes me, and appreciated me, ect. I have been telling her that she got to be honest with me no matter what. But IDK.
Both these girls in waipahu at club sunset are married to cops. Thinking above the law gamling with customers. I think they even got a gambling house for themselves. Beware of lani and charlene. Got there real names and did some research. Both are in there second marriages. These bitches are heartless. Debating to report to liqur comission.
I have been dating a KBG now, wow! What I have read in this thread is happening to me now, almost exact. I THANK YOU so much for sharing the truth. I'll spend sometime reading all the posts here, and will see where my relationship with this girl goes. Deep inside my conscience though, I have always wondered if this girl is playing games with me or has some kind of grand schemes to take me down. Will see, and thanks again for sharing your experience and knowledge.Did she ask you to buy her a LV or CHANEL back yet. Or did you buy it already? Anybody who asks (civilian or bg) for that kind of stuff is all in it for the money. You got to love that line, if you love me you'll buy me anything.
On the subject of "gifts" I had two experiences with two BG offering me to buy ME an LV wallet if I bought her a bag. Right, a $1500 womens bag is equal to a $500 dollar LV wallet. In the end, I didn't buy any of them anything. There was also this other BG that I used to take out to lunch and dinner (not expensive places btw) and only would visit now and then at the bar and only spend a little on her. After a couple months I thought she was really into me, but then BAM she asked for a bag. Cancelled her right there.
I started to wonder if my KBGF is doing something outside the bar to supplement her income. Just yesterday, after our lunch, she asked me to drop her off at a super market to buy stuff for cooking later. I asked her if she would like me to wait for her, she said "NO". So I drove away, but then I turned around a few second later and found her walking somewhere else. Humm! Why was she lying to me? She seemed always nice to me, always texted how much she likes me, and appreciated me, ect. I have been telling her that she got to be honest with me no matter what.
But IDK.The answer is in Aflack's post. There are posts on KBGs and AMP girls who are known to have husbands and BFs yet still do takeout. I know a guy who thinks he's safe because she lives with him.
Play the KBGs like they play you: a hand of "KBG Hold 'them." Their games not even high-stakes; treat LVBs just like nothing with a cold heart and nerves of steel, bluffing no problem because it works all the time."Got to go shopping, visit girlfriend at her place, going out with friends, going sing karaoke with friends after work, sleep over with friends to talk story, no feel good so stay home tonight, going LV with sister, going lunch with mother", if you no believe me I get mad and make you back down, SOS.
Either cut your losses immediately, hang around like a good little doggie, or play them right in their faces. Like a man.
Hey BA, thanks for sharing your situation which I beleive will heip you deal with it better and help many others in the same situation. This thread more than anything else was meant to help guys in your situation. Its never easy when feelings are involved and you can't turn it off like a light switch. However, getting to the truth NOW will help you alot. In most cases, if you think you're getting played, you are. There is so much to know about your situation so will just leave it at that aspect. Have a good talk with her that does not involve you spending money and her willing to be totally open and honest with you. Truthfully, I may be wrong but I'd end this relationship yesterday to save you from the big 3, ($, time, heartache) altho its probably too late, better late than never. The truth will set you free.
Didn't want to make more non report posts in the reports thread so posting here regarding Jake's lvb buddies. I'm surprised that the nuts and bolts guys don't complain more, hehe. Like Jake,It's like what Aflack mentioned in a post before that: "The amount of years going to the bar doesn't necessarily make you a smart bargoer" It's similar to how people may think that the amount of years an employee working at a company, he / she must be making big money and is at a high position by now. Not really, he / she can be working there for 20 years doing the same thing and still be stuck in the same position. It's not the amount of years. Someone who has not been working as long in the company can move up the ladder because he goes beyond the call of duty when it comes to doing things beyond his / her job description. They also have a more positive attitude. The other employee feels all salty because he / she been at the company longer. They feel they deserve it based on length of years working. That's it. It's what Jakes friends are doing. Still doing the same thing over and over. You'd think after 15 years they'd catch on by now.
I recently helped a couple of them just telling them that they are known as LOVERBOYS! They just didn't or want to know but they are shame to be known as such. Many of us got lvb buddies. If you are their friend, please tell them what they are. Noone likes to be known as a loverboy, at least among guys. Help them and all of us too in not spoiling the kbgs.The thing about telling a guy (s) he's a LVB, got to go easy on them. You know them, the emotional types that get offended easily and then get defensive. Cannot scold and lecture them literally. They'll get offended. You need to relay the message in a way where they'll listen and consider your advice. Sometimes, hard to get through because they in denial. If you tell them that they are, they'll likely to disagree and say that they aren't. Heh, I bet if a female told them, maybe he will listen. They rather take advice from a female than a male. I guess coming from a female, they feel it won't be as brash and blunt as oppose to how a male would deliver the message.
Briefly went out last night town and there seems to be more younger guys these days. By young I mean under 35 so I guess young reletive, LOL. In fact, I always see the same faces at bars except when got groups of young guys. EG and Business had more of these guys last night. They think they smart when all the guys on the table don't all need to buy nekos. Wrong! They always pick or get picked by robs and the very ones looking for kb gfs in most cases.A lot of the youngster guys go in the bar and scope out the BGs checking them out. They be mumbling to each other on who they think is hot. When they sit at a booth, they feel safe because its a group and they got their boyz. Less pressure off of one person. If a guy gets stuck with a BG, he feels his boyz may help him out by offloading some of the drinks. Friends can chip in for the drinks. Oh, not to mention if BGs approach, a guy can turn to the other guy which turns to the other guy and they going around in a circle at a booth trying to decide: "So what? Have her sit down or what?" LOL. They looking at each other for confirmation on what to do. They waiting for that 1 guy amongst the group to say something.
Hey loverboys, test the waters with your roaming hands while you work your game.That's the thing about a LVB, the physical contact, play and sex is not primarily on his mind. He too busy getting emotionally stimulated by her. LVB need this to sexually turn them on. It's the falling for the woman they like first in order to get arousement. They don't have the Slam, Bam, thank you mam mentality.
99% of these guys chose wrong girl to begin with. These are the guys searching for their next faililure attempt.They go for the ones they are attracted to. A LVB goes for the one that arouses his senses. Sure, someone can tell him to move on to another BG but, how can he? His selection on the one (s) that he want is slim. Some people are more picky than others that you can't just tell him to just try this BG out and get attracted to her. You cannot make the guy just be attracted to someone else. That's why they stick with that same one. Guys who are strictly looking for play, don't invest too much time on 1 particular BG. They move on. They have the playah mentality thinking. Next, next, next.
Heh, look at the BGs, they utilizing the playah mentality with their customers. Next customer, next, next. You notice they don't feel the pity and soft heart or remorse for every single customer they come across. They cannot afford to do that for every guy trying to comfort every single guy. They look at each customer as but a number. But, every now and then she may stay at a certain number, let's say 22 because that particular number (customer) sparked her interest. But, eventually she carries on with 23, 24, 25, 26, 27 etc. Heh, like a doctor going through his patients in a hospital. He can't be feeling pity all the time trying to comfort all the patients he sees. He doesn't want the emotional thing get in his way of his job. Imagine if he did? Patients are going to be like: "Please. Doctor please, you must help him / her. Please, I'm begging you to make him / her better"
We've all seen it. I did again last night and it was depressing. Old retired guy at the bar all drunk already. 2 "girls" and the mama just banging him for drinks. When I first arrived at the bar he had 6 twenty dollar bills on the bar. They were gone in 30 minutes and he was getting up to head out the door. I have no idea how much he had already spent. My goodness! No mercy on the drunk old fut. Those "ladies" hammered him and moved on. It was a good reminder about how heartless the bar environment can be. Depressing to say the least although I know it was his choice to go there in the first place. Just hate to see KBG's taking advantage of the "local-style" and all it's iterations that have had typically historical benefit.
Ss
This one has bothered me for a while and I did not think it fit for the Reports thread. Since it seems somewhat appropriate here, I will vent.
There is a particularly bad LVB in Pearl City / Aiea run. Old phart who seems to have a decent supply of spending cash. Have heard him telling other guys about his regular trips to Asia for cheap sex with young girls. So basically, he dips his wick in Asia for chump change, then back in Hawaii, he gets all bigtime LVB with the KBGs. Recently, I was seated near him and he was talking with an atractive KBG. He had already bought her several glasses of water. She was thanking him for always being so nice."You always remember my birthday and send me flowers.". *thud*
Azzhat. Screwing up the KB economy for the rest of us.
We've all seen it. I did again last night and it was depressing. Old retired guy at the bar all drunk already. 2 "girls" and the mama just banging him for drinks. When I first arrived at the bar he had 6 twenty dollar bills on the bar. They were gone in 30 minutes and he was getting up to head out the door. I have no idea how much he had already spent. My goodness! No mercy on the drunk old fut. Those "ladies" hammered him and moved on. It was a good reminder about how heartless the bar environment can be. Depressing to say the least although I know it was his choice to go there in the first place. Just hate to see KBG's taking advantage of the "local-style" and all it's iterations that have had typically historical benefit.
SsMy girl was telling me that one night, there was a guy who bought her 20 drinks, and didn't get anything from her (only God knows whether she is telling me the truth or not). I tried to explain to her that us, guys, called that ROB. She told me she knows what it meant but explained to me that some guys just enjoys spending money, she said it makes him happy. He even bought drinks for himself that he never drank. Anyway, I didn't know what to make of it.
My girl was telling me that one night, there was a guy who bought her 20 drinks, and didn't get anything from her (only God knows whether she is telling me the truth or not). I tried to explain to her that us, guys, called that ROB. She told me she knows what it meant but explained to me that some guys just enjoys spending money, she said it makes him happy. He even bought drinks for himself that he never drank. Anyway, I didn't know what to make of it.You know, not accusing your KBGF on lieing but, it's funny how she has to mention it to you that nothing happened after she told you he bought her 20 drinks. She felt she had to mention it just in case you were thinking that something did happen. She may say that customer only likes to spend money and not do anything. Maybe he is the type to just have company. But, I'm sure among her customers that she sits with, eventually there will be some that want to get all physical with her at the bar or take her home. Now, if this happens, what do you think she would do? Hey, try bring this scenario up with her, see what her response will be.
We've all seen it. I did again last night and it was depressing. Old retired guy at the bar all drunk already. 2 "girls" and the mama just banging him for drinks. When I first arrived at the bar he had 6 twenty dollar bills on the bar. They were gone in 30 minutes and he was getting up to head out the door. I have no idea how much he had already spent. My goodness! No mercy on the drunk old fut. Those "ladies" hammered him and moved on. It was a good reminder about how heartless the bar environment can be. Depressing to say the least although I know it was his choice to go there in the first place. Just hate to see KBG's taking advantage of the "local-style" and all it's iterations that have had typically historical benefit.
SsOne night at Evergreen long time ago, this young guy at the bar had a thick wad of cash and was buying drinks one after the next for multiple girls and the bartendresses. From the look on his face, could tell he felt like 'the man'. Little did he know the girls were ridiculing him behind his back. I can just imagine what they were saying in Korean.
More recently, this buff dude was showing-off his biceps and paying the ROB $20 every couple of minutes to enjoy the 'show'. When I was younger, I did some stupid things in bars, but MAN!
More recently, this buff dude was showing-off his biceps and paying the ROB $20 every couple of minutes to enjoy the 'show'. When I was younger, I did some stupid things in bars, but MAN!That is pathetic. Wonder what he is compensating for? He ought to stick to smoking big cigars if he wants to feel like a man. This screws with the KB economy for the rest of us.
More recently, this buff dude was showing-off his biceps and paying the ROB $20 every couple of minutes to enjoy the 'show'. When I was younger, I did some stupid things in bars, but MAN!This is funny actually. How is it that she's enjoying the show if he's paying her to see him flex? LOL This should be the other way around. She should be buying him drinks to flex and feel his biceps if she was enjoying it.
You have probably helped more guys than you know without realizing it including yourself. Alot of good info in response to your original kbgf post which we all can learn from. I must tell though that the odds of your kbgf being up and up with you statistically is almost nil chance of her being so. On top of that, you almost certainly never had any deep english conversations with her to get to know each other better. They use the language barrier to their advantage to explain away things when giving excuses. There are countless accounts of robs which is 99. 9% of kbg normal behavior. Some are clever robbing over a long time or even years making it seem they are not which may be your case. Its all about the money for them. Most kbgs do not believe they are robs after awhile in the bars and beleive their own lies which makes them believable! Ask yourself the important questions like how well you know her heart? Is money a big part of your relationship? Does she want you to do more for her than she does for you? Is she willing to answer any questions about her past? If she really likes you, you do not have to buy her ANY drinks. Its easy for a vet to tell almost instantly but kbg lust CAN BLIND many of us. Thanks again BA, we all need to remind ourselves of the kbg trap when the examples are there to learn from.
This is funny actually. How is it that she's enjoying the show if he's paying her to see him flex? LOL This should be the other way around. She should be buying him drinks to flex and feel his biceps if she was enjoying it.It guess seemed like what Oldee said about guys who blow money to feel important. She was grabbing his arm while he bragged, and next thing you know, "Can I have another?".
They use the language barrier to their advantage to explain away things when giving excuses. There are countless accounts of robs which is 99. 9% of kbg normal behavior. Some are clever robbing over a long time or even years making it seem they are not which may be your case. Its all about the money for them. Most kbgs do not believe they are robs after awhile in the bars and beleive their own lies which makes them believable! Ask yourself the important questions like how well you know her heart? Is money a big part of your relationship? Does she want you to do more for her than she does for you? Is she willing to answer any questions about her past? If she really likes you, you do not have to buy her ANY drinks. Its easy for a vet to tell almost instantly but kbg lust CAN BLIND many of us. we all need to remind ourselves of the kbg trap when the examples are there to learn from.Brother O, wow! You the Man. You totally know what you are talking about. Yes, we have never had a deep conversation because her English is not that good, a lot of times, I didn't even understand what she was talking about (I had to rephrase myself to the point where I wasnt sure what I was trying to say) which leads me wanting to ask you guys: What are you guys talking about when you guys spend hours with KBG who has limited English skill? My girl told me that she has to be with that guy because that guy wants to learn Korean, Chinese, etc.
About buying her drinks, yes, at the end of our dinner or whatever, she always wants to drag me to the bar. I keep telling her to be carefull not to make me an alcoholic. But I have always wondered why she likes me to spend money on her in the bar instead of the outside. I have so much to learn, hopefully, not a hard way.
About buying her drinks, yes, at the end of our dinner or whatever, she always wants to drag me to the bar. I keep telling her to be carefull not to make me an alcoholic. But I have always wondered why she likes me to spend money on her in the bar instead of the outside. I have so much to learn, hopefully, not a hard way.Image is everything for the KBG. It wants to show the other its the KBG dominance and influence (power) ; to show everybody "hands-off" my income property. The dinner has to be upscale, $150 min. ; lunch@$80; nekos $100 min. 1-2 friends & owner. After all that, you're excused.
No like it? You tossed like a salad. Oh, he like learn foreign language? Go Sylvan Language School, then. That's a new BS (and very creative). You no can watch the KBG 24/7, so get ready for a hard landing just in case. Either be costeffective or a cost center (your choice, IMO).
BTW, Aflack here, temporarily as this one until username request is granted. Could tell, yeah?
Brother O, wow! You the Man. You totally know what you are talking about. Yes, we have never had a deep conversation because her English is not that good, a lot of times, I didn't even understand what she was talking about (I had to rephrase myself to the point where I wasnt sure what I was trying to say) which leads me wanting to ask you guys: What are you guys talking about when you guys spend hours with KBG who has limited English skill? My girl told me that she has to be with that guy because that guy wants to learn Korean, Chinese, etc.
About buying her drinks, yes, at the end of our dinner or whatever, she always wants to drag me to the bar. I keep telling her to be carefull not to make me an alcoholic. But I have always wondered why she likes me to spend money on her in the bar instead of the outside. I have so much to learn, hopefully, not a hard way.Not having a deep conversation is a problem. Conversations are mainly based on superficial things. It lacks depth and substance. It's basically,"So how was work?" "Are you hungry?"Want to eat dinner?" "Want to go shopping tomorrow?" Not only that, the relationship in general is superficial. It's basically what you can do for her. At the same time, you don't mind going out with her because it's exciting at the moment to go out with someone new and different. Basically, just having a companion to go out and do things. That's it. But, eventually in time you'll hit a wall. Then what? You ask yourself: "Is that it? Is that all this relationship is about?" You'll get sick and tired to thinking whether she is telling the truth or not. The self doubt will come up and bother you. You're not sure if you can trust what she is telling you. Not only that, you will eventually realize,"How is she really benefitting me in the long term?" You're just taking her out, go to dinner, watch movies, take her to work, visit her at work, buy her drinks. Repeat again. There's no meaning and a sense of direction in the relationship. It is basically just going day by day and seeing how it goes.
Vernon Howell
07-25-11, 21:29
More recently, this buff dude was showing-off his biceps and paying the ROB $20 every couple of minutes to enjoy the 'show'. When I was younger, I did some stupid things in bars, but MAN!Now, those bar girls, just had their cake and ate it too.
I didn't even understand what she was talking about (I had to rephrase myself to the point where I wasnt sure what I was trying to say) which leads me wanting to ask you guys: What are you guys talking about when you guys spend hours with KBG who has limited English skill? My girl told me that she has to be with that guy because that guy wants to learn Korean, Chinese, etc.Not to be an ass, but a lot of guys no need have a conversation (albeit an intelligent one) because they let their hands, tongue, feet, nose, $ whatever do the talking with the KBGs for them. In fact, it's pretty quiet there in the "KBG at Work" areas of the KB.
It's basically what you can do for her. You'll get sick and tired to thinking whether she is telling the truth or not. The self doubt will come up and bother you. You're not sure if you can trust what she is telling you.These are the eventual crossroads of being involved with a KBG."Being involved" are the key words that were relayed to me in the past and has guided me throughout: you can have a thing with the KBG; just don't get involved in any way.
HM gave a good example: you can be living with the KBG and feel secure about it; but the truth is you can't watch it 24/7. There are going to be a windows of opportunity once it gets to know your patterns and habits. Common sense should dictate; think with your head, not with your heart (or smaller head). Sorry for the cliches.
Not to be an ass, but a lot of guys no need have a conversation (albeit an intelligent one) because they let their hands, tongue, feet, nose, $ whatever do the talking with the KBGs for them. In fact, it's pretty quiet there in the "KBG at Work" areas of the KB.Well if you are being an ass, I guess I must be in the club, because I was thinking much the same. My thoughts were even ruder. I. E. Not much conversation when she is hoovering your johnson and you are looking at the back of her head.
Not having a deep conversation is a problem. Conversations are mainly based on superficial things. It lacks depth and substance. It's basically,"So how was work?" "Are you hungry?"Want to eat dinner?" "Want to go shopping tomorrow?" Not only that, the relationship in general is superficial. It's basically what you can do for her. At the same time, you don't mind going out with her because it's exciting at the moment to go out with someone new and different. Basically, just having a companion to go out and do things. That's it. But, eventually in time you'll hit a wall. Then what? You ask yourself: "Is that it? Is that all this relationship is about?" You'll get sick and tired to thinking whether she is telling the truth or not. The self doubt will come up and bother you. You're not sure if you can trust what she is telling you. Not only that, you will eventually realize,"How is she really benefitting me in the long term?" You're just taking her out, go to dinner, watch movies, take her to work, visit her at work, buy her drinks. Repeat again. There's no meaning and a sense of direction in the relationship. It is basically just going day by day and seeing how it goes.Don't know which is worse, not having a deep conversation or a girl that talks about herself and her problems all night long. There's a fine line when having a relationship with a KBG. Had a partner that talked about her problems all night long, same thing over and over again. Wished that she would just shut up like I told her too. LOL!
Not to be an ass, but a lot of guys no need have a conversation (albeit an intelligent one) because they let their hands, tongue, feet, nose, $ whatever do the talking with the KBGs for them. In fact, it's pretty quiet there in the "KBG at Work" areas of the KB.I agree. BGs who are limited in speaking English, the conversation would be more limited. There won't be much if any intellectual type conversation to be had. Mainly simple type conversations. But, doesn't mean can't still have some laughs with them and a good time. Heh, might as well get physical if there's not much talking going on.
Don't know which is worse, not having a deep conversation or a girl that talks about herself and her problems all night long. There's a fine line when having a relationship with a KBG. Had a partner that talked about her problems all night long, same thing over and over again. Wished that she would just shut up like I told her too. LOL!Dude: You are too invested in this kbg. They know how to play guys and it is simply in their DNA to suck your wallet dry. Do not look at a kbg as a girlfriend but a challenge. It is your wits against hers. Particularly when you go spend a lot of money and then they want you to spend more when you drop them at the bar. No, you have to keep in mind, these girls, except in rare cases are not for marrying. Go get a nice Japanese girl for a wife. These kbgs are blood suckers. I had a "relationship" for 7 years with one but it was clear to both of us it was strictly sexual. She always accommodated me, without fail. But one day I called, and after 7 years she had disappeared. It did not really bother me because I have replaced her with one just as hot.
Do not get emotionally involved. Just bang her and that's it.
More recently, this buff dude was showing-off his biceps and paying the ROB $20 every couple of minutes to enjoy the 'show'. When I was younger, I did some stupid things in bars, but MAN!Hey, that was me! Not. Noticing more ego-craving boors trying to impress the BGs; however, they got to buy nekos for the attention! Trying to impress is one of many weaknesses the KBGs feast on; they know you weak; easy target.
This past Sunday was a winner in the Kapiolani Triangle with some ill and irritating tumbleweeds going here and there; was the cause a shift in the planets? Gravity or ego (they both bring you down!)?
Don't know which is worse, not having a deep conversation or a girl that talks about herself and her problems all night long. There's a fine line when having a relationship with a KBG. Had a partner that talked about her problems all night long, same thing over and over again. Wished that she would just shut up like I told her too. LOL!If the BGs mouth empty, she will start yappin', it's your job to put something in the her pie-hole. But not pie.
If the BGs mouth empty, she will start yappin', it's your job to put something in the her pie-hole. But not pie.Yeah, stick your swollen unit in her mouth, that ought to shut her up!
Brother Magnod asked about $10 drinks to stretch his kala in the reports thread but posting here. Every kb got $10 drinks! Its up to the kbg and of course they gonny say no but they lie. Its totally up to them, period! I have had $10 drinks all over including town but mostly kalihi. Don't usually buy those and you got to ask. Usually I do this for service from bartenders or kbgs giving good service. This way you can buy both the bartentdress and barbck for $20 if you want. Forget the $10 route if you want play tho as even the hags may not allow play. Many kbgs themselves have never heard of $10 drinks and get mad when you mention it, haha. I have have seldom used it as a tool when 50-50 deciding whether to invest time with a kbg you havnt figured out yet. If they complain, be happy and don't buy any neko! On another related topic, I no longer buy bartenders nekos and havnt done so for a long time. Its one of the most wasteful ways of spending money. Its common to see these bartenders getting half the guys sitting at the bar buying them nekos at once! Why buy and you can watch her clevage and ass for free but there will be no or very little play if you buy nekos. Lastly, it was Uki flexing his muscles to impress the kbgs. He DID post about doing this about 3 months ago! LOL, nah, just joking Uki bro, no get mad ah. I sced of your muscles.
Lastly, it was Uki flexing his muscles to impress the kbgs. He DID post about doing this about 3 months ago! LOL, nah, just joking Uki bro, no get mad ah. I sced of your muscles.Hehe. I remember mentioning something like this before. I was only joking though. I'm just acting silly. But, I see young guys who go KB and I know they want to be complimented. Whether it be the BG saying they handsome, having muscles or splurging money. Funny because I see some guys really eating it up. Young or old, guys In one way or another will find a way (s) to show off. Even if you're not intentionally showing off, other people will think that you are.
"Shit, this guy he trying to impress me? I'm not impressed"
But, I see young guys who go KB and I know they want to be complimented. Whether it be the BG saying they handsome, having muscles or splurging money. Funny because I see some guys really eating it up. Young or old, guys In one way or another will find a way (s) to show off. "Shit, this guy he trying to impress me? I'm not impressed"The most noticeable act a KBG tries to do to someone is 'kill him with kindness." However, they will not tell you what you are but rather what you think you are or want to be. They'll only tell you what you are if they're angry because they can't pull your chain.
1. If you have twenty-inch biceps and show-off, they won't be impressed; if you have twelve-inchers and show, they'll say your biceps are huge.
2. You're handsome and they try to play it down; you're not handsome and they'll tell you how good looking you are and "must have planty garuflend."
3. Educated and worldly, they don't like that because hard to play you; baka, naive, and clumsy and they'll tell you how smart, great, and "best" you are.
They KBGs want to belittle, play, and insult people in subtle (sometimes not) ways; it's their way of letting you and everyone else know that you are even lower than them in rank and file; their flavor of the month. In actuality, KBGs are vile beasts waiting for the next victim.
You LVBs get your egos, inferiorities, and fantasies in check; hurry before you wet youselves in front of everybody repeatedly. It's embarrassing.
The most noticeable act a KBG tries to do to someone is 'kill him with kindness." However, they will not tell you what you are but rather what you think you are or want to be. They'll only tell you what you are if they're angry because they can't pull your chain.
1. If you have twenty-inch biceps and show-off, they won't be impressed; if you have twelve-inchers and show, they'll say your biceps are huge.
2. You're handsome and they try to play it down; you're not handsome and they'll tell you how good looking you are and "must have planty garuflend."
3. Educated and worldly, they don't like that because hard to play you; baka, naive, and clumsy and they'll tell you how smart, great, and "best" you are.
They KBGs want to belittle, play, and insult people in subtle (sometimes not) ways; it's their way of letting you and everyone else know that you are even lower than them in rank and file; their flavor of the month. In actuality, KBGs are vile beasts waiting for the next victim.
You LVBs get your egos, inferiorities, and fantasies in check; hurry before you wet youselves in front of everybody repeatedly. It's embarrassing.I call all of them onni, regardless of their age. And I'm an old, D-category bastid. The younger ones get really mad; good fun.
I call all of them onni, regardless of their age. And I'm an old, D-category bastid. The younger ones get really mad; good fun.I like your style. Let them know they not "all that" and put them in their place.
I call all of them onni, regardless of their age. And I'm an old, D-category bastid. The younger ones get really mad; good fun.They're probably not mad at being called "onni" by a man. They are probably annoyed at another customer attempting to say stuff in Korean and failing miserably. (Onni is used by *women* to refer to an older woman.)
They're probably not mad at being called "onni" by a man. They are probably annoyed at another customer attempting to say stuff in Korean and failing miserably. (Onni is used by *women* to refer to an older woman.)OK. My error. How does a man refer to an older woman?
Thanks
Warriors808
08-02-11, 13:48
OK. My error. How does a man refer to an older woman?
ThanksI think the word is "Noona".
Thumperforq
08-02-11, 17:22
I think the word is "Noona".Or call her "Ajumma" instead of "Agassi". That will also get them upset and checking to see if they look older. Ajumma is like calling a local girl "Auntie" instead of "Miss". Noona is what you call your older sister or a female friend that's a couple of years older than you.
Or call her "Ajumma" instead of "Agassi". That will also get them upset and checking to see if they look older. Ajumma is like calling a local girl "Auntie" instead of "Miss". Noona is what you call your older sister or a female friend that's a couple of years older than you.You and Warriors808 hit it dead on.
Agassi refers to an unmarried woman. Never been married, that is. Ajumma is very much "auntie" and connotes middle-age.
Conversely, you might hear KBGs call men,"oppa". This is very much like the local usage of "brudda". You'll also hear them say "ajosshi" (not the proper rendering, but for prounounciation purposes.). This is sort of analogous to the local usage of "uncle". You might see it translated in Kdrama subtitles as "mister". It's an honorific for older men.
Thus endeth the lesson.
Or call her "Ajumma" instead of "Agassi". That will also get them upset and checking to see if they look older. Ajumma is like calling a local girl "Auntie" instead of "Miss". Noona is what you call your older sister or a female friend that's a couple of years older than you.The term "ajumma" is also an unflattering, stereotypical description of a middle-aged K woman who is of the following characteristics:
1. Wears her hair short, colored, and permed.
2. Has an apron covering brightly-colored clothing; in fact, the wardrobe is all brightly-colored.
3. Speaks loudly and is gruff in nature; constantly gossiping and speaking her mind.
4. Demands respect from young people (although maybe not deserving of it).
5. Acts like a bulldog, advertising that she will not be "pushed around."
6. Waddles like a duck due to weight gain; eats like a rhinoceros.
7. Etc.
Regarding KBGs displaying rude, crude behavior toward customers:
1. It's not their fault; they're permitted to act that way.
2. As the saying goes: Drunk no count.
3. They're the customers, not us.
4. KBGs are special; customers are nothing; LVBs are the bestest.
Not Even One Neko (neon) on Friday. 07/05/2011. LVBs do your thing; soon you learn.
Would NEON be an underground thing? If I can get some support, I may print some cards and place them at various locations (KAP, KoreaMoku, Sher.) Post some feedback, good, bad, ugly. Whatever.
Amping Around
08-04-11, 07:54
The term "ajumma" is also an unflattering, stereotypical description of a middle-aged K woman who is of the following characteristics:
1. Wears her hair short, colored, and permed.
2. Has an apron covering brightly-colored clothing; in fact, the wardrobe is all brightly-colored.
3. Speaks loudly and is gruff in nature; constantly gossiping and speaking her mind.
4. Demands respect from young people (although maybe not deserving of it).
5. Acts like a bulldog, advertising that she will not be "pushed around."
6. Waddles like a duck due to weight gain; eats like a rhinoceros.
7. Etc.
Regarding KBGs displaying rude, crude behavior toward customers:
1. It's not their fault; they're permitted to act that way.
2. As the saying goes: Drunk no count.
3. They're the customers, not us.
4. KBGs are special; customers are nothing; LVBs are the bestest.
Not Even One Neko (neon) on Friday. 07/05/2011. LVBs do your thing; soon you learn.She isn't a KBG, but numbers 1 thru 6 sounds a lot like my sister in law.
Would NEON be an underground thing? If I can get some support, I may print some cards and place them at various locations (KAP, KoreaMoku, Sher.) Post some feedback, good, bad, ugly. Whatever.Nah, NEON is the current alternative (instead of a complete boycott) to protest bad attitude, service, & treatment by KBGs & KBs toward customers. Because a complete boycott is not feasible the NEON movement is meant to express individualism via "strength in numbers"; it may sound contradictory but it is ironic that by joining forces, individuals may be created. The above IMO only and still hanging tough; good tipping for good service (be fair, not cheap).
Go bar, have fun, no buy neko. Bring back good customer service; if not, NEON. It's not necessary to post anything in the bars; momentum is gaining; don't get caught if you do!
Note: NEON may be construed as punishment; although it could be used for that purpose, I like to think of it as a means of protest; an expression of discontent. Comments welcome.
I have had fun being neon for the most part recently and it does help you get respected as someone with a little brains versus them assumming you to be a STUPID LVB. All kbgs wish all customers were lvbs and being neon greatly helps you to see the kbgs for who they really are. Most of the nekos are being bought these days by lvbs. The rest which is a small % is by skebe guys getting play. I now tell kbgs I'm a playboy and not a suckerboy (lvb) which defines the parameters at the outset. I been busy lately but you guys have been posting good advice and helping guys imo. More fun and less money wasted is what we ALL can agree on right? Don't fall for that guilt trip tricks and wasting money for nothing. Consider civilians if you want your money's worth or AMPs imo. Unfortunately, the girls lately have been showing bad attitudes as posted by guys like HM. HL, Kapa, Uki, SS, etc etc. Helping educate guys little by little might affect change, even if just a small one. BTW, anyone remember when only LOSER kbg bartended long ago? Now they all want to be bartenders because of all the sucker lvbs. Its very simple, nekos and tip is for service GIVEN!
Nah, NEON is the current alternative (instead of a complete boycott) to protest bad attitude, service, & treatment by KBGs & KBs toward customers. Because a complete boycott is not feasible the NEON movement is meant to express individualism via "strength in numbers"; it may sound contradictory but it is ironic that by joining forces, individuals may be created. The above IMO only and still hanging tough; good tipping for good service (be fair, not cheap).
Go bar, have fun, no buy neko. Bring back good customer service; if not, NEON. It's not necessary to post anything in the bars; momentum is gaining; don't get caught if you do!
Note: NEON may be construed as punishment; although it could be used for that purpose, I like to think of it as a means of protest; an expression of discontent. Comments welcome.The boycott thing doesn't really relay the message to BGs as much as being a Neon and on top of that, you buy a BG a drink but have the control to stop when you want. You go bar but you display control. Even display some authority if needed. By boycotting, you just don't go to avoid the temptation of buying LD. You don't want to be in a situation where it's hard to turn down a BG. Especially, a BG whom you bought LD before. You fear the guilt and the temptation. You feel you cannot resist. Therefore, you prefer to not go. It is far more challenging to go bar and refuse to buy LD and putting your foot down when needed as oppose to not going to a KB. It's like avoiding the problem and not facing it.
Heh, giving in and buying a LD is like someone losing it and getting mad. He cannot handle that he has to lose his cool. The same with buying a BG a LD. He cannot resist and need to buy her a LD. If you are able to resist and not buy a LD, you have control and is not affected by them. It's similar to how you can control your temper. It's easy for most people to get ticked off and get angry as oppose to someone who doesn't. For someone to keep his composure even under extreme conditions, that's really impressive. Surely, buying LD or lots of LD is not impressive. Alot of people do this anyways. For a BG to get you to give in, she's like: "Haha, you cannot resist me huh? Hehe. It figures, most of you guys can't"
Nah, NEON is the current alternative (instead of a complete boycott) to protest bad attitude, service, & treatment by KBGs & KBs toward customers. Because a complete boycott is not feasible the NEON movement is meant to express individualism via "strength in numbers"; it may sound contradictory but it is ironic that by joining forces, individuals may be created. The above IMO only and still hanging tough; good tipping for good service (be fair, not cheap).
Go bar, have fun, no buy neko. Bring back good customer service; if not, NEON. It's not necessary to post anything in the bars; momentum is gaining; don't get caught if you do!
Note: NEON may be construed as punishment; although it could be used for that purpose, I like to think of it as a means of protest; an expression of discontent. Comments welcome.. Point well taken, poor service is my biggest gripe. I know of a few KBV's (Korean Bar Veterans) who have expressed the same concerns. They tell me it only got really pilau within the last couple of years. The first rule of NEON is. (fill in the blank)
I have had fun being neon for the most part recently and it does help you get respected as someone with a little brains versus them assumming you to be a STUPID LVB. All kbgs wish all customers were lvbs and being neon greatly helps you to see the kbgs for who they really are. Most of the nekos are being bought these days by lvbs. The rest which is a small % is by skebe guys getting play. I now tell kbgs I'm a playboy and not a suckerboy (lvb) which defines the parameters at the outset. I been busy lately but you guys have been posting good advice and helping guys imo. More fun and less money wasted is what we ALL can agree on right? Don't fall for that guilt trip tricks and wasting money for nothing. Consider civilians if you want your money's worth or AMPs imo. Unfortunately, the girls lately have been showing bad attitudes as posted by guys like HM. HL, Kapa, Uki, SS, etc etc. Helping educate guys little by little might affect change, even if just a small one. BTW, anyone remember when only LOSER kbg bartended long ago? Now they all want to be bartenders because of all the sucker lvbs. Its very simple, nekos and tip is for service GIVEN!NEON is even more fun now that I have a name to put on it. I still spend quite a bit on food and tipping, if the service adequate. (not THAT kind of service)
. Point well taken, poor service is my biggest gripe. I know of a few KBV's (Korean Bar Veterans) who have expressed the same concerns. They tell me it only got really pilau within the last couple of years. The first rule of NEON is. (fill in the blank)The crappy service was so evident because the KBGs (bartenders included) were using basic bar service as hostage and demanded ransom (nekos) for peanuts, chips, house pupus, another drink. Instead, the KBVets retaliated by leaving tips for services rendered: no service, no tipping. It is why I consider the neko as a symbol of servitude; of being a slave, if you will. In other words, slave no put out, slave no get fed. Screw that, as my tenure and expense in the bar is their privilege, not mine (to coin a phrase).
I truly believe the chicken shit style KBG services did, is, and will backfire on them; look now, they practically scold and remind me to eating something but I still stand firm and only accept peanuts / chips combo unless starving or with a group who like eat (hahaha). Screw them. The first rule of Not Even One Neko is no F with me or others; get plenty other places to eat and drink.
Would NEON be an underground thing? If I can get some support, I may print some cards and place them at various locations (KAP, KoreaMoku, Sher.).Just think if this came to the surface. Not in the KBs (to respect their private places of business) but at other, public venues in order to make KB goers aware of this movement. Sample public venues may include vegetation, golf courses (!) , etc. NEON would spread like wildfire; up to the KBs & KBGs to extinguish it. Just a thought (that's all).
NEON is even more fun now that I have a name to put on it. I still spend quite a bit on food and tipping, if the service adequate. (not THAT kind of service)Would be nuts if had shirts in bright NEON colors with NEON written on it. Then, wear the shirt to the bars. Would be good shirts for construction workers to. Too bad they don't make the Dodge Neon car anymore. Drive that car and wear the shirt to. Another line of shirts that Oldee needs to stock at Aloha KB Tours.
Sitting between two LVBs on the counter@Evergreen. Couldn't watch golf, ESPN, TTC, due to the silliness and noise generated by these Love Goats. I mean these guys are totally goofy and hypnotized by plain (IMO) , average, KBGs; but to these guys they are goddesses. Very interesting and revealing, SIMILAR traits of these two particular and different LVBs:
1. Need constant attention and to be recognized; either very vocal or not.
2. Repeatedly told the KBGs how good they looked; constantly checking them out.
3. Territorial and selfish; they see and hear things for themselves only.
4. Inconsiderate; perhaps due to "tunnel vision."
5. Absolutely giddy and smiley while talking to the KBG; mean-looking while not.
6. Socially clumsy and not very charming; they think otherwise, I guess.
7. Physically unattractive; not dressed decently.
8. Always checking how much money they got under the counter; it only get less.
9. Try to put down other customers.
10. Any more?
Anyway, these common traits lead me to believe that LVBs may have behavioral disorders or "beauty is in the eye." Either way, there are cases of people who are hopeless romantics and this is a syndrome that may lead to big trouble for a lifetime. Good luck, LVBs (you guys need it).
HawaiiHorndog
08-08-11, 18:28
Julie mama from Splash. Rob queen!
Was having a drink at Splash the other night, when Julie mama comes and sits with us. Bought her a drink, and next thing you know, she's ordering drinks for everyone; other girls, the waiter, the DJ and herself. When the waiter brought the drinks back out table, I tell him we didn't order those, so waiter explains that mama orderd them. I told the waiter to ask Julie mama for the money, but leave one for the girl who was sitting next to my friend. Julie played it off and tried to act cool, but kept sitting there. After a few minutes she asks what about her, and I say, nah, but please ask the waiter to bring another one for my friends partner. Bursted her KB mama queen bubble! Hahahaha! Beat it! Biggest BS be* in the area hands down. Probably used to getting yes. Ok honey. You so hot! Thinks she's all that, but. NOT.
Julie mama from Splash. Rob queen!
Was having a drink at Splash the other night, when Julie mama comes and sits with us. Bought her a drink, and next thing you know, she's ordering drinks for everyone; other girls, the waiter, the DJ and herself. When the waiter brought the drinks back out table, I tell him we didn't order those, so waiter explains that mama orderd them. I told the waiter to ask Julie mama for the money, but leave one for the girl who was sitting next to my friend. Julie played it off and tried to act cool, but kept sitting there. After a few minutes she asks what about her, and I say, nah, but please ask the waiter to bring another one for my friends partner. Bursted her KB mama queen bubble! Hahahaha! Beat it! Biggest BS be* in the area hands down. Probably used to getting yes. Ok honey. You so hot! Thinks she's all that, but. NOT.Heh, I notice BGs and MS like to do this especially when it's slow. They sit with you even if you don't want their company. They'll just hang around and try to put the guilt trip on you with their presence. To them its like: "I'm sitting here for 5 minutes already, aren't you going to show respect for MS and buy me a drink?" LOL sly yah what these women try and do. Women love to throw hints out despite them not verbally telling or asking you.
A BG may sit by you and say: "Don't worry, I'm not going to ask for a drink" She continues to hang around and talk story with you. After sitting there and having you acknowledge her when she speaks, she'll then later ask for a drink. Or, hang around long enough where she don't ask but, have the waiter asks for her: "Sir, do you mind buying her a drink?" Sly ah? She like set you up. Hehe. Hilarious to see some BGs forcing their way in to sit by you.
BGs calling you cheap if you don't get them a drink? Heh, fuckem! Why feel guilty and shame? I cannot help but giggle if a BG calls me cheap. Why? Because that's the only lame ass response they can think of to put me down. Hehe."Is that all you got?" In fact, take it as a compliment. Being cheap in a hostess bar is smart, frugal and prudent. You think about yourself first and value the money you work hard for. I think most people can agree including the BGs in that most of the time you splurging or spending, you (the customer) not getting your moneys worth anyways. BGs, bartenders and ms just don't want to admit that you're smart by being cheap because it doesn't benefit them. You benefit because you have money and they're not getting a piece of it.
If a BG said I was cheap, then I put her on the spot and say: "Ok, I'll buy you several drinks then. But, what will I get in return if I bought you say. 5 drinks?" Heh, what's her comeback? LOL. Is she going to guarantee me a BBBJCIM? She can say that she will but, can just change her mind after she gets the drinks. She'll make an excuse to avoid it. She entices me into thinking I'm going to get it. But, she can say no and still get her 5 drinks anyways. The bars and BGs when you think about it, they're the ones who really are cheap because they don't offer a worthy return and incentive to most of the customers who do spend on numerous occasions. The BGs are not going to care if you had to pay bills recently, that you just splurge last night and being conservative. They'll just think you just BS and being cheap. But, they miss the whole point behind the reason (s) why some guys don't want to spend. Their only logical reason is: "Meh, he's cheap!"
BGs calling you cheap if you don't get them a drink? Heh, fuckem! Why feel guilty and shame?That's what I've been trying to tell you guys. BG calls you cheap, and it lights you up? You effing lose. She got you by the short ones.
If a BG said I was cheap, then I put her on the spot and say: "Ok, I'll buy you several drinks then. But, what will I get in return if I bought you say. 5 drinks?" Heh, what's her comeback? LOL. Is she going to guarantee me a BBBJCIM? She can say that she will but, can just change her mind after she gets the drinks.Now you're talking. Bring the dialog back to the transaction. Do not let them forget they are providers and if they don't provide, no money, honey. Suggestion, turn the transaction on its head. Every swinging dick is used to laying out cash on spec, hoping that if he spends enough, she will put out. LOL!
One thing I have done is to ask the BG now much for a BJ. She told me got to buy a bottle, $$$. I pull out three benjies and drop 'them on the table. Told her, you don't have to drink anything. That's your tip for making me happy By the time I am ready to stand up, if I didn't cum in your mouth, I am taking those with me. If I' am happy, it's yours and maybe I'll even buy you some drinks. Maybe.
First time, I did this, it was golf ball thru the garden hose time. Considered it well spent On a subsequent try, in another bar, the BG walked. So. 50% yield on this tactic, so as always, there are no guarantees.
But don't leave it where the BG is dangling the carrot. Use your big stick instead. Playing this little game, if I buy a bottle, the BG gets $.5. If I leave it as a tip, she gets $$$. If the BG is hungry enough, it's a no-brainer. One way to figure out which BG might bite is to see if she is tight with the house. Old school KBGs will not go for this, feeling it rips off the house -- which it does. Find a BG who is out for herself 1st and you could probably cut down one or two benjies.
Just a little suggestion from yer Uncle Bob.
With all the KBG tactics and our discussions about them not too many KBs will be left standing in the near future, IMO. That eastward-moving tidal wave from Waipahu, PC, & Kalihi will surely land on the Kapiomoku shore and beyond. Bars closing earlier than midnight shall be the barometers of impending doom; KB Armageddon.
What bar (s) will survive, and why? Any operational differences? Will there be something else that will seal the fate of KBs? Will the LVBs continue to exist or will they become extinct? Will something else thrive in place of the KBs or AMPs? All thoughts and criticisms welcome.
Have been noticing KB drinkers who act quite strangely; like spoiled brats or something similar. Their traits ape LVBs (they do buy nekos) and include behavioral "extras": paranoid, secretive and nosy, nervous (speech and behavior) , overly-sensitive, angry, disorganized, undependable, untruthful, etc. Proposition KBGs indiscreetly, get drunk daily, hold grudges, misinterpret / miscommunicate, act, delusions of grandeur, etc. Do they have problems or what?
These types need to be "corrected" sooner than later, IMO; there are talks of appropriate nonviolent (so far) actions against these types because they're brats and punks. If categorized here, have the consideration and maturity to act appropriately in public or stay home, change diaper, suck bottle, and cry. Have the courtesy to permit others to enjoy a cold one, have fun, and be merry without having to babysit.
With all the KBG tactics and our discussions about them not too many KBs will be left standing in the near future, IMO. That eastward-moving tidal wave from Waipahu, PC, & Kalihi will surely land on the Kapiomoku shore and beyond. Bars closing earlier than midnight shall be the barometers of impending doom; KB Armageddon.
What bar (s) will survive, and why? Any operational differences? Will there be something else that will seal the fate of KBs? Will the LVBs continue to exist or will they become extinct? Will something else thrive in place of the KBs or AMPs? All thoughts and criticisms welcome.My outlook is, They close down They close down. Cannot help. It's not like I want them to close down intentionally but, cannot help. We (the customers) got to think about ourselves and our own shit first. Plus, it's not like we're going to band together to help save the bars when most of the places only take advantage of us anyways. The incentives these days with hostess bars is just not much to offer. You figure, less attractive girls as before. Less play from the BGs compared to before, more desperation now to hound for drinks at a ridiculous rate, bad service etc etc. Not much to benefit for the money spent. How can any hostess bar like this stay in business?
The bad thing for some will be that there won't be a place at night to go to to show-off and flaunt your money, status, car you drive, looks, body, intelligence, charm, mojo etc. Among a group of people both male / female. Need to think of something else to feed the Ego. It's going to be 1 less thing to boast / brag about.
Hello Kitty
08-11-11, 14:08
Have been noticing KB drinkers who act quite strangely; like spoiled brats or something similar. Their traits ape LVBs (they do buy nekos) and include behavioral "extras": paranoid, secretive and nosy, nervous (speech and behavior) , overly-sensitive, angry, disorganized, undependable, untruthful, etc. Proposition KBGs indiscreetly, get drunk daily, hold grudges, misinterpret / miscommunicate, act, delusions of grandeur, etc. Do they have problems or what?
These types need to be "corrected" sooner than later, IMO; there are talks of appropriate nonviolent (so far) actions against these types because they're brats and punks. If categorized here, have the consideration and maturity to act appropriately in public or stay home, change diaper, suck bottle, and cry. Have the courtesy to permit others to enjoy a cold one, have fun, and be merry without having to babysit.Then you must be talking about everyone that comes in the bar. Lvbs or none lvbs. Young or old if anyone that response that they are not then they are lying. The truth if you denies that your not on Kapakahi list then it make make wonder if you actually go to kbars.
Hello Kitty
08-11-11, 15:08
My outlook is, They close down They close down. Cannot help. It's not like I want them to close down intentionally but, cannot help. We (the customers) got to think about ourselves and our own shit first. Plus, it's not like we're going to band together to help save the bars when most of the places only take advantage of us anyways. The incentives these days with hostess bars is just not much to offer. You figure, less attractive girls as before. Less play from the BGs compared to before, more desperation now to hound for drinks at a ridiculous rate, bad service etc etc. Not much to benefit for the money spent. How can any hostess bar like this stay in business?
The bad thing for some will be that there won't be a place at night to go to to show-off and flaunt your money, status, car you drive, looks, body, intelligence, charm, mojo etc. Among a group of people both male / female. Need to think of something else to feed the Ego. It's going to be 1 less thing to boast / brag about.I do agree with Uki that we need to take care of our shit first. I spend lots of money in the bar sometime but I not into saving the bars. I sometimes I try the Neon even if I one of the lvbs you guys hate and it don't hurt to try the Neon sometimes. I not spending as much as befor and keeping busy on weekends going to hiking. It fun and free. Something get hot chicks hiking too. Diamond Head get choke chicks.
Then you must be talking about everyone that comes in the bar. Lvbs or none lvbs. Young or old if anyone that response that they are not then they are lying. The truth if you denies that your not on Kapakahi list then it make make wonder if you actually go to kbars.Your response is interesting and sincere. The type of weirdos I'm talking about don't think and care that anybody would be affected by whatever they do and say. In other words, they only think about themselves because it's only about them and nobody else exists. Is that confusing? Anyway, it's like someone who commits a crime and feels that it's not criminal because nobody will be affected by it; a victimless crime (how KBGs feel about customers). Everything and everybody is theirs and for the taking.
Then you must be talking about everyone that comes in the bar. Lvbs or none lvbs. Young or old if anyone that response that they are not then they are lying. The truth if you denies that your not on Kapakahi list then it make make wonder if you actually go to kbars.I agree HK. Because there's a mixture of young and old guys in the bar, some older guys will get irritated by the younger guys and some younger guys talk smack about the older guys. Each person has his own way of having fun in the bar. A guy may want to act silly and stupid in the bar because that's his way of having fun and enjoying himself. If he be all prim and proper, then it's like he's at work. At work, you behave a certain way. If you out at night at the bars looking to have fun, then there's your chance to let loose. Nice guys are the ones who are too prim and proper. They don't want to make a scene and draw attention. It's like the way they behave at work is how they behave in a bar. Heh, but these guys don't know how to have fun. They hold back and is more limited. If you're nonchalant and carefree, you go off. How can you have fun if you're busy thinking about what people think of you? But then again, some people get a little too carried away that they need to tone it down.
It's obvious that majority of the bars have more LVB than Sukebe guys. But, what if the ratio of LVB was lower and Sukebe was higher? How would it be? Better? Stupid question. It would be more fun. Pretty stupid if a LVB refuses a female getting physical with him. It would be hilarious if a LVB complains that a BG is just mainly physical and not enough talking.
LVB says: "No don't! You shouldn't do that. We hardly know each other. What are you doing? Stop it! Stop grabbing my crotch! If you don't cut it out, I'm leaving!"
But, since LVB ratio is higher, the BGs are like:
"Nah, no need play, we got enough LVB and guys willing to just buy us drinks and talk. So much lovesick puppies we can hound them for a million drinks they wouldn't mind"
LOL. I not surprised if BGs are surprised themselves that a guy keeps buying her drink after drink and she's like:
"Holy crap! I thought he'd stop and quit after hounding him for a drinks every 3 minutes. He still buying me drinks? I haven't even touched him to! Man this guy must be obsessed with me. I should try this with other guys I sit with! But, I don't like sitting with this guy though Eww. Need to think of a getaway. Hmm. I know, I'll invite my other BG friend to sit with us, introduce her to him. Then, I can just sneak away. Yes! Woohoo! It worked!"
Man, from a BGs point of view, it must be fun to do these things and get away with it that easily. Then, come work the next night and talk and laugh about it with your other BG friends. She probably talks about the guys she was able to easily fool, guys she couldn't stand, guys she found weird, perv etc, etc. Hey, women love to gossip. If civilian women gossip, then it's obvious BGs will to.
She probably talks about the guys she was able to easily fool. If civilian women gossip, then it's obvious BGs will to.Exactly right; someone told me that back in the 70's KBGs in the health club did just that. They would 'compare notes' and laugh about who bilked their customers the most, bragging about how much money a guy gave (eg. $10k a pop).
I'm sure it's been going on since before that time and will continue after we are gone.
I have been away a while but that's good for getting a fresh perspective on the KB scene not to mention saving money, haha. Been town bars recently and its same ole same ole except musical chairs as far as kbgs and the lvb army still the majority. No Uki, I have not become a lvb and been just busy. I got the usual long time no see nice to see you bs at the bars but been NEON which was hard but fun! Same lvbs all over that need to get educated as well as the psycho lvbs that need psychological help. You notice more after you been away awhile too. The KB culture does NOT follow common sense or business sense whatsover. Remember that guys! The lvbs keeping the bars in business and at the same time spoiling the kbgs. As HL says, kbgs are just being what they are. Just control what YOU do with YOUR money and not give away your power. Hey lvbs, if you not sukebe, no buy neko and I bet you that your result will be same. Want to bet? Do you not catch yet? Just know we on your side unless you the psycho kind which I see more of these days.
Same lvbs all over that need to get educated as well as the psycho lvbs that need psychological help. Hey lvbs, if you not sukebe, no buy neko and I bet you that your result will be same. Want to bet? Do you not catch yet? Just know we on your side unless you the psycho kind which I see more of these days.A well-known LVB refused to buy nekos yesterday; even the KBGs were shocked. Oldee, etal, I think the NEON is brighter nowadays. He actually said,"What for? Only waste money." Couldn't believe that his LVB friends also approved of this because they are also well-known to succumb to the KBG commands; pussy-whipped wimps. But not this time.
A well-known LVB refused to buy nekos yesterday; even the KBGs were shocked. Oldee, etal, I think the NEON is brighter nowadays. He actually said,"What for? Only waste money." Couldn't believe that his LVB friends also approved of this because they are also well-known to succumb to the KBG commands; pussy-whipped wimps. But not this time.They don't want to be a sucker that's why. Who wants to be a victim or fall victim? Someone who is easily played, fooled and taken advantaged of. Next thing you know: "Damn, I just got played" Pisses you off huh? It sure does piss me off. Being a LVB is natural for all guys to feel that way. It feels good that's why. It's natural to feel like that. But, just don't get your emotions carried away and out of control where you start doing stupid things. Look at your job, you can't have your personal issues and emotions get in the way of your work. It will affect the way you perform at work. Same with being in a bar. Letting your emotions come into play that you be in denial to accept the fact and truth about what really goes on in a KB and what KBGs are capable of doing. Put your emotions aside, control it and find out for yourself with your own eyes on what really goes on.
Since I took a short break from KBs, alot of bars on my return gave me markers or just didn't charge me for my beer at the bar recently. Of coarse its the 3 for 20 trick thats common but didn't work on me so practically drank free all night, haha. Didn't feel bad and tried to give back markers while saying 'this means you asking for neko right? ', but they got to lie and say no to save face, LOL. I notice nowdays that alot of korean customers are at bars more than before and sitting at the bar rather than rooms or booths. SS reported on a kbg at camelot that is a dying art nowdays but is the other reason I'd buy neko for. Service and entertainment thats not sexual play can be fun too. The problem is most kbg don't know how, and they think it just means simple convo or karaoke. The previous generation was good at making guys have fun even if not giving play. On another subject, a kalihi kbg told me bars can't wait for football season to start because all over so slow. Who wants to order their NEON T Shirts? Better to watch the games in peace at the bars. Can you imagine a bar filled with NEON shirts? Even a half doz sitting at the bar would piss off the bartenders, haha.
NinjaLurker
08-24-11, 18:29
Since I took a short break from KBs, alot of bars on my return gave me markers or just didn't charge me for my beer at the bar recently. Of coarse its the 3 for 20 trick thats common but didn't work on me so practically drank free all night, haha. Didn't feel bad and tried to give back markers while saying 'this means you asking for neko right? ', but they got to lie and say no to save face, LOL. I notice nowdays that alot of korean customers are at bars more than before and sitting at the bar rather than rooms or booths. SS reported on a kbg at camelot that is a dying art nowdays but is the other reason I'd buy neko for. Service and entertainment thats not sexual play can be fun too. The problem is most kbg don't know how, and they think it just means simple convo or karaoke. The previous generation was good at making guys have fun even if not giving play. On another subject, a kalihi kbg told me bars can't wait for football season to start because all over so slow. Who wants to order their NEON T Shirts? Better to watch the games in peace at the bars. Can you imagine a bar filled with NEON shirts? Even a half doz sitting at the bar would piss off the bartenders, haha.Howzit Oldee,
Was getting worried that you were kidnapped by a kbg. Forced into LVB-hood.
The girls at Kools told me the same thing about waiting for football season.
Put me down for a NEON shirt. Xtra Large with Xtra Loud letters NEON.
Service and entertainment thats not sexual play can be fun too. The problem is most kbg don't know how, and they think it just means simple convo or karaoke. The previous generation was good at making guys have fun even if not giving play.No kidding yah. I no mind buying a BG drinks if she is fun and playful. Even if she's not aggressively physical or that really attractive. If she's fun, it makes up for it. But, some if not most BGs can be boring though. Shouldn't be surprising because most of the time, guys are the ones entertaining the girls. Guys can act stupid, crazy, mento, silly, do crazy things and say stupid and perverted things. You figure, you buy a LD to be entertained by her company. Not just sit there and not say or do anything. But Shit, seems like some of us customers entertain the BG far more than they entertain us. No sense buy BGs drinks if she's boring. If that's the case, you might as well just leave $20 bills on the table. Some BGs are just not socially skilled, they're intimidated with the customer they sitting with or, they just not interested to sit with that customer and so they be all quiet. Heh, it's the throwing the hint to the customer that she's not interested to sit down. She sits there all quiet to imply that she's not interested so that she can get up and leave. LOL. It's funny just watching BGs do that. Some pretty BGs be like that. They get all worried because the guy she sits with, may get all touchy, touchy with her. So, she sits there all reserved like: "Oh my gawd, no! Don't you dare touch me!" LOL.
Howzit Oldee,
Was getting worried that you were kidnapped by a kbg. Forced into LVB-hood.
The girls at Kools told me the same thing about waiting for football season.
Put me down for a NEON shirt. Xtra Large with Xtra Loud letters NEON.Howzit NL, I been playing with civilians for a bit which gives you a better perspective when you go back bars imo. Glad you now SR bro. Hey Uki, what size you? Extra small so you can do your hulk routine? Hey NL, I played with Sophia about 4 months ago and cost me 5 drinks. Was horny that day so was ok but had to do alot of talking or was going cost alot more. Believe it or not she popular for one over the hill gilf. Anyhow, football season soon and kbs are ok places to watch the games imo. I plan on being NEON, at least for the games unless I win alot betting, LOL. The kbgs will have that I'm bored look like Uki says and we going be like, no even think to bodda me asking for neko when the game on. Smart girls wil be service oriented during games. Loverboys will be stupid and buy nekos DURING games, lol.
Anyhow, football season soon and kbs are ok places to watch the games imo. I plan on being NEON, at least for the games unless I win alot betting, LOL. The kbgs will have that I'm bored look like Uki says and we going be like, no even think to bodda me asking for neko when the game on. Loverboys will be stupid and buy nekos DURING games, lol.Exciting opener for UH: Colorado. Perhaps a discussion topic can be fball picks (with odds) for Rainbow football; no betting, just friendly discussion and prediction along with a KB / KBG report on service and goings on. Good reminder, Oldee.
Captaincookie
08-25-11, 18:14
Um, officially the football team should be called "Warriors". They haven't been the 'Bows for like 10 years. New name, new logo, new offense = new era of Hawaii football. You can thank June Jones when you see him at Lili Kahumoku's parents house. Hehe
I'm always surprised that more guys don't take advantage of watching the games at KBs. Free Pay per view, cheap beer, bring your own pupus or buy bar food, and eye candy sometimes. No need hassle the crowd at the stadium, and can relax and enjoy. I'm a big UH fan and think we going to have a good year including beating CU the first game. Don't play the bar pool except the numbers if you feel lucky. The breakfast games last year was ok too altho feels weird drinking so early. Hey Capt C, I got a rainbows T shirt I never wore, would it be weird to wear it now? Haha. FYI, most of the robs come AFTER the game and usually the less popular girls work early except kalihi.
Captin Crunch
08-26-11, 11:00
I'm always surprised that more guys don't take advantage of watching the games at KBs. Free Pay per view, cheap beer, bring your own pupus or buy bar food, and eye candy sometimes. No need hassle the crowd at the stadium, and can relax and enjoy. I'm a big UH fan and think we going to have a good year including beating CU the first game. Don't play the bar pool except the numbers if you feel lucky. The breakfast games last year was ok too altho feels weird drinking so early. Hey Capt C, I got a rainbows T shirt I never wore, would it be weird to wear it now? Haha. FYI, most of the robs come AFTER the game and usually the less popular girls work early except kalihi.Oldee, I must agree with you that the kbs are a good place to watch the UH games. The only times I feel weird is when I'm betting against them.
BTW guys. Which bars are the best to watch the game at and why? I went to a PC bar bcuz they gave free pupus (even the early morning games) and there were no girls to bother us.
Oldee, I must agree with you that the kbs are a good place to watch the UH games. The only times I feel weird is when I'm betting against them.
BTW guys. Which bars are the best to watch the game at and why? I went to a PC bar bcuz they gave free pupus (even the early morning games) and there were no girls to bother us.Finding a seat is the priority because I'll arrive 45-60 mins. Prior to the game; don't want a reserved seat to avoid any obligation (s). Best chances for me would be the KB Triangle (Kap-She-Mak) with TLight, EGreen, DMour, Phalynx, BFly, NCasino; outskirts: W8, Monaco. Park-N-Walk.
Pupus no problem; eat before or bring own kine; the KBGs happy no need bother with me and concentrate on the obligated ones and LVBs (they always get seat; season pass). All the aformentioned places going have decent pupus, MM; just a matter of what you already know (SOS) about KBs.
BTW guys. Which bars are the best to watch the game at and why?Hey MM, I only go Kalihi and town but most kbg don't bodda during the game no matter what bar. For me, I like go a little early to get a seat in front a good TV. I don't think any one bar better than the rest and fortunately most kbgs don't bodda much except the older retiree lvbs trying to get attention and the psycho lvbs, LOL. So the bottom line for me is the TV you watching and your seat.
Hey here's one for yah. I used to think that maybe not grabbing or going for a feel or trying to get jr stroked that it might make the KBG think that I was not like all the other guys who come to the bar. Yes, I was an old fool. I tried that more than once as a tactic to see if I could jump her bones later in the night. Well, I'm here to report that it never worked. Being a nice guy in a KB does not work. Been there tried that. So now it's let's get to business or be on your way. I learned but it cost me. Just wanted to pass that along since it sprang to mind whilst watching some other guy try to "make nice" to the KBG's the other night at Camelot. He and I got the same thing. Nothing. But my nothing cost me a lot less. Course Bobbie the bartender bitched at me for not buying her a drink. Well biatche if you think pouring ice in my glass once is enough to get you a drinkee, think again.
Ss
Hey here's one for yah. I used to think that maybe not grabbing or going for a feel or trying to get jr stroked that it might make the KBG think that I was not like all the other guys who come to the bar. Yes, I was an old fool. I tried that more than once as a tactic to see if I could jump her bones later in the night. Well, I'm here to report that it never worked. Being a nice guy in a KB does not work.
SsNah, J / K SS. You and most of us been there done that and STILL do that when we just go for reasons other than physical play. You have touched on a major point though, which is what LVBs always do. They never grab so never get anything! You can tell very quickly what kind of kbg you dealing with in most cases and act accordingly. Not sure? Grab! The fact that the LVBs are the majority is why the KBGs are so spoiled. Why play when you can get neko doing nothing? THAT is what is fustrating for us sukebe guys. Hey LVBs, I know you want to too but afraid you going lose your honey right? Guess what? You never had her and never will! I will get further with your honey than you ever will. Not neccesarilly because because she likes me more but because she knows I'm not there to be played and you are. How do I know? KBGs have told me this directly. Need more proof? Watch the other LVBs at the bars, especialy at Camelot, EG and Business type bars where the LVB army is all around you.
Watch the other LVBs at the bars, especialy at Camelot, EG and Business type bars where the LVB army is all around you.How true Oldee. The LVB army is in full force around those areas. I occasionally make a recon into the Kapiolani area to check out the KBG's cause I do indeed like to watch the eye candy. Usually though I deploy to Kalihi or Pearl City for play.
Funny thing is I usually get more action and less wasted time by being completely honest. KBG approaches, we talk, she gives a leg rub or some such action, I show interest and game on. Early in the "new" relationship she says "I think you a playboy"."Yup! That's Exactly Right!" I will respond and yah know what? Me and my new friend are playing grabby the rest of the night. Seems the KBG's like that or something. Not exactly sure the reasoning behind it, but, who cares?
And another thing. At some point in time, I'll get the ring test where they will check to see if I'm married or not by stroking my left hand too include the ring finger (looking for telltale signs of ring wearing). Now, for awhile I did indeed have that mark, but, it has pretty much gone away now. I think it helps the KBG determine how "safe" or not I'm going to be at the end of the night. Remember I'm a second-shifter so I'm almost always there at closing. If my new friend wants a ride home, again, game on. I have established that I'm a playboy. I have established that I like to play grabby and she has established that knowing all these things that she wants me to take her home. Time for some coffee at her place. Now, I ain't no Don Juan and there are more nights I spend having a few beers at the bar then going home, but, when I do "hit" it has almost always started with the honest answer I gave in the first place "Yup! That's Exactly Right!" go figure.
Ss
Funny thing is I usually get more action and less wasted time by being completely honest. KBG approaches, we talk, she gives a leg rub or some such action, I show interest and game on. Early in the "new" relationship she says "I think you a playboy"."Yup! That's Exactly Right!" I will respond and yah know what? Me and my new friend are playing grabby the rest of the night. Seems the KBG's like that or something. Not exactly sure the reasoning behind it, but, who cares?I notice civilian women are like that. BG, civilian women, they think the same. They like to mention something and then they wait to see what your answer will be. In this case, if she brought up that you're a playboy and you replied with a no, her response: "You're lieing! I seen you with other women getting all touchy touchy with them. I even seen you take one of the BGs home!" She's already thinking to herself that your answer will be a no. For you to admit that you are a playboy, at least you had the guts to be open and honest about it. I bet she was like: "Wow! I'm shocked that he admitted that!" She was shocked but gives you credit to admit it. Women I notice get really bothered if they find out that you lie. Pisses them off. They know most guys won't admit it that's why. I notice even with civilian girls in other countries, if you be straight up and mention that you're just looking for fun and nothing serious, they don't mind. They know that you're going to meet other girls to. They know what's up and why you're there. They're already thinking that. If I said: "oh I came here for you!" Shell be like: "Liar!" LOL. I say: "Fine, I just boom boom this chick earlier this morning and when she left, I ate breakfast and later met up with you. You happy now?" Then she says: "Yes, that's all I wanted to hear. The truth"
That's the big thing about LVB. Always cover things up to look good. The BGs are just not buying it. If you sound too good to be true, in most cases, it pretty much is too good to be true.
Yeah, they want honesty as Uki says BUT not neccesarily give back honesty. In fact, they base most of their actions in the bar on DIShonesty. Getting to the topic though, KBGs fear what we write here. Not that we can affect any drastic changes but can enlighten a few LVBs here and there. Actually, we have helped a few and info is power! I know this to be true because these guys told me! When we help guys get what they want or advise LVBs, KBGs get pissed. Don't feel sorry for them though. They win more than they lose. Hey KBGs, I don't hate you, I want to make love to you, LOL.
The KBs & KBGs read these posts and some take the opinions seriously (because there are truths here). The timing and method of hooking-up with wahines has held true for many years (no need spend plenty) ; it's your approach that matters; different from the others, humorous and refreshing. Avoid the hustle (can tell; it's obvious) and be patient yet conniving.
The DUI will cost approximately $3600-4000 to defend, guilty or not. I won't itemize the costs but if found guilty it's a little more for your defense and compliance, $5000. The "incovenience factor" is not included in these costs. Bus, taxi, cheap taxi, whatever, but find your safest way. The cost and inconvenience is nothing compared to the grief and fallout. Not preaching, just sharing information.
. They like to mention something and then they wait to see what your answer will be. In this case, if she brought up that you're a playboy and you replied with a no, her response: "You're lieing! I seen you with other women getting all touchy touchy with them. I even seen you take one of the BGs home!" She's already thinking to herself that your answer will be a no. For you to admit that you are a playboy, at least you had the guts to be open and honest about it. I bet she was like: "Wow! I'm shocked that he admitted that!" She was shocked but gives you credit to admit it. Women I notice get really bothered if they find out that you lie. Pisses them off. They know most guys won't admit it that's why.I usually say "NO" but then I don't think they care nor remember what I said earlier when the heat is on. Same with the question on marriage, first I said, NO, then later on upgraded to "divorced", then later on upgraded to "saperation", then when it is time to dump the BG, I said my wife came back and that is the end of the story.
Yeah, they want honesty as Uki says BUT not neccesarily give back honesty. In fact, they base most of their actions in the bar on DIShonesty. Getting to the topic though, KBGs fear what we write here. Not that we can affect any drastic changes but can enlighten a few LVBs here and there. Actually, we have helped a few and info is power! I know this to be true because these guys told me! When we help guys get what they want or advise LVBs, KBGs get pissed. Don't feel sorry for them though. They win more than they lose. Hey KBGs, I don't hate you, I want to make love to you, LOL.Yup. They want to see where you stand by popping questions and bringing up hints. But, if it's coming from a BG that sees several guys at the same time, what's her excuse?"Yeah but, that's my job though. I'm just trying to make money" LOL. Pretty lame huh? How do we guys feel when we're being lied to? Whatever issues a BG had previously, maybe she had a bad relationship and got played numerous times, I not surprised if she reaches a point where she despises men. It's the "I'll play him first before he can play me. Better him than me. I don't want to get hurt again!" Heh selfish to think like this. It's burn any guy that comes her way."Nice guy, fuck it! I not going to take a chance" The BG is basically becoming a Playgirl herself. Heh, KBG do fear what's written because we putting them on the spot numerous times. How can they deny it's false when its been validated by a number of people on here. It just confirms it even more. Heh, but then again, they should also understand that we locals just looking out for each others back because it is a fact that alot of relationships didn't work out with a KBG.
Warriors808
08-27-11, 15:37
Hey here's one for yah. I used to think that maybe not grabbing or going for a feel or trying to get jr stroked that it might make the KBG think that I was not like all the other guys who come to the bar. Yes, I was an old fool. I tried that more than once as a tactic to see if I could jump her bones later in the night. Well, I'm here to report that it never worked. Being a nice guy in a KB does not work. Been there tried that. So now it's let's get to business or be on your way. I learned but it cost me. Just wanted to pass that along since it sprang to mind whilst watching some other guy try to "make nice" to the KBG's the other night at Camelot. He and I got the same thing. Nothing. But my nothing cost me a lot less. Course Bobbie the bartender bitched at me for not buying her a drink. Well biatche if you think pouring ice in my glass once is enough to get you a drinkee, think again.
SsYea, Bobboie should change her name to the "Fuc**** Biatchhh" as that is what everybody calls her. Real bad attitude.
Yea, Bobboie should change her name to the "Fuc**** Biatchhh" as that is what everybody calls her. Real bad attitude.These days, most kbg bartenders have bad attitudes / service. If you don't buy neko, you get pretty much ignored. I see so many nekos being bought for them which spoils it for regular customers. On top of that, they STILL not sanitary when handling food. On another note, I see Kimberly is back at the old Tahoe location on Dillinghmam. Havnt gone yet but I'm sure the golf gang will be happy. Just means more musical chairs among KBGs but same ole same ole.
These days, most kbg bartenders have bad attitudes / service. If you don't buy neko, you get pretty much ignored. I see so many nekos being bought for them which spoils it for regular customers.Get plenty other places to drink and eat; just got to find them and boycott the places with shat service, personnel, and attitudes. It's also the neko-buyers who add to the problems unless the neko is for good service, attitude, and performance; not just an empty buy for shat.
Get plenty other places to drink and eat; just got to find them and boycott the places with shat service, personnel, and attitudes. It's also the neko-buyers who add to the problems unless the neko is for good service, attitude, and performance; not just an empty buy for shat.Yeah, altho I actually don't mind being ignored these days. If I need another drink, I'll just ask the barbacks. Thats better than being hounded for neko anytime. Just wanted to point out that the KBG bartenders take advantage of guys that LET them. Not only can they not drink in peace but got to listen to BS and buy nekos. Funny thing is they doing this to impress or look good but its just the opposite. The KBG likes them for being suckers, not real friendship like. Stop the nekos and they get ignored like the rest of us, LOL
Yeah, altho I actually don't mind being ignored these days. If I need another drink, I'll just ask the barbacks. Thats better than being hounded for neko anytime. Just wanted to point out that the KBG bartenders take advantage of guys that LET them. Not only can they not drink in peace but got to listen to BS and buy nekos. Funny thing is they doing this to impress or look good but its just the opposite. The KBG likes them for being suckers, not real friendship like. Stop the nekos and they get ignored like the rest of us. LOL.Remember when I was ignored and treated like shat because I no buy nekos? Well, now the KBGs confide in me when they found that the LVBs were the flakes, fakes, and cupcakes. You going get dumped on whether you spend or not; why pay for it? We've all seen it before.
Get plenty other places to drink and eat; just got to find them and boycott the places with shat service, personnel, and attitudes. It's also the neko-buyers who add to the problems unless the neko is for good service, attitude, and performance; not just an empty buy for shat.Jeez, I almost never eat at KBs. Have you ever seen the kitchen operation? Some bars have KBGs taking their smoke break in the kitchen, I have seen several with cats freely roaming the kitchen, even lying down on top of stacks of produce. Open containers of raw food with flies on it. No, I cannot stomach that stuff.
Colorful in Waimalu might be the worst of the lot. Watching kitchen mama doing a stir fry with a cigarette perched tenuously on her lips was enough to make me hurl.
Hello Kitty
08-30-11, 14:03
How about the small cock o roaches in every bar. What the bartender do when they see'um is grab the napkin and smash the little thing. No even disinfect the roaches guts that was left there. Sometimes the roaches even make it to your plate with food and what the bartender do is pretend they never see them untill you inform about the roaches.
Jeez, I almost never eat at KBs. Have you ever seen the kitchen operation? Some bars have KBGs taking their smoke break in the kitchen, I have seen several with cats freely roaming the kitchen, even lying down on top of stacks of produce. Open containers of raw food with flies on it. No, I cannot stomach that stuff.They reuse or recirculate the dry pupus, too. Saw a segment on the Today Show about what researchers found at a typical office party with pupus:
1. Saliva and intestinal fluid in the cocktail peanuts and dips from people who grab from the bowl and double-dip.
2. Traces of urine in the candy bowl; people no wash hands after toilet.
3. Sebum (oily parts of the body; armpits, scalp, genitals, nose) on utensils and plates.
Other stuff but forgot the specifics; no traces of animal dander or the like. It's a wonderful world out there. Can you imagine what get in public venues that serve and handle food like the KBs that play musical chairs with the pupus? What about the glassware? Oey vey!
How about the small cock o roaches in every bar. What the bartender do when they see'um is grab the napkin and smash the little thing. No even disinfect the roaches guts that was left there. Sometimes the roaches even make it to your plate with food and what the bartender do is pretend they never see them untill you inform about the roaches.Damn forgot about that. More than once, I grabbed napkins from the stack and found them used and even with crushed roaches on them. Barrrf!
Oh, and how about the "recycled beer", where they collect the partially empty bottles left by customers and consolidate them into another bottle. I always reject beer that I do not witness being opened AND hear the hiss of a fresh bottle.
Lastly, I have also seen poorly maintained ice machines that produced ice cubes with vermin frozen into them.
Businesses have an obligation to keep their patrons safe by maintaining safety and health; there are guidelines that businesses need to comply by law.
KB owners only want to keep all monies; they do not put any money back into maintenance and repair, thus directly affecting personnel and patrons. KBGs have told me that they estimate 80% of KBGs do not wash their hands with soap after using the toilet; they only want to look at themselves in any mirror they can find. Another complaint by KBGs is of the unsanitary conditions of their kitchens and cooks; these are amateur cooks who are not trained in all facets of food service. Lots of customers do not wash their hands with soap after toilet as well; they touch, kiss, suck, explore, & whatever the KBGs for the next one.
Eh, the world is not perfect and neither am I, but I watching out and not contributing to irresponsible, greedy Third World operators.
Damn forgot about that. More than once, I grabbed napkins from the stack and found them used and even with crushed roaches on them. Barrrf!
Oh, and how about the "recycled beer", where they collect the partially empty bottles left by customers and consolidate them into another bottle. I always reject beer that I do not witness being opened AND hear the hiss of a fresh bottle.
Lastly, I have also seen poorly maintained ice machines that produced ice cubes with vermin frozen into them.I have always wondered how bars pass BOH inspection. My only conclusion is payoffs or they simply don't get visited by inspectors.
I have always wondered how bars pass BOH inspection. My only conclusion is payoffs or they simply don't get visited by inspectors.maybe the inspectors are part of the LVB crowd.
Yeah, they want honesty as Uki says BUT not neccesarily give back honesty. In fact, they base most of their actions in the bar on DIShonesty. Getting to the topic though, KBGs fear what we write here. Not that we can affect any drastic changes but can enlighten a few LVBs here and there. Actually, we have helped a few and info is power! I know this to be true because these guys told me! When we help guys get what they want or advise LVBs, KBGs get pissed. Don't feel sorry for them though. They win more than they lose. Hey KBGs, I don't hate you, I want to make love to you, LOL.Kbg=quick convenient fun, that's it. Seriously they get thrills off of playing stupid customers. I observed one the other day sitting with her friend at the bar just going down her cell phone calling and laughing their asses off.
Hello Kitty
08-31-11, 06:09
Don't even forget the wooden chopsticks trick. The bartender take the chopsticks from the stack and give to you and you see it already broken in half with some brown shit at the small end like it been use.
maybe the inspectors are part of the LVB crowd.Good point Stoner bro. Alot of LVBs help bars in various capacitys. On a related topic, I'd like talk about LVB misunderstandings about KBGs. I was drinking at a few town bars recently observing the usual goings on when it dawned on me. Almost all LVBs don't realize that they are SUCKER LVBs. Even the ones who admit to hunting for girlfriends / wives don't realize what they are. Why? Its because they think they are the same as LVBs that hunt civilians. They are NOT! It can be confusing since on the surface its similar in many ways. So whats the difference? There's alot but keeping it simple, they are plain SUCKERS that fall for a bad or black heart girl. We all been there and sometimes still fall victim so no tease them. Some got sweet face hiding their black hearts. Secondly, its a relationship based on money for her time. Third, she demamds honesty while being dishonest. Fourth, she makes all the rules, including and especially about sex. Fifth, she demands loyalty but you not allowed to question hers. There are many more but these 5 come to mind first. When I look at the kbgs in all the bars, I don't see any that don't fit these 5 descriptions. Maybe some are only 3 out of 5 but even 1 is bad news for any relationship. So what are KBGs good for? They are good for sexual play! Sometimes convo and other entertainment but for a relationship? PASS!
I have always wondered how bars pass BOH inspection. My only conclusion is payoffs or they simply don't get visited by inspectors.Occam's Razor. No payoffs or conspiracy theories needed. Haven't you seen the news reports? State Department of Health is understaffed. Inspectors are lucky if they get to visit a given site once every two years. There is also no overtime allowed, so no inspections after "normal" business hours. So if you only open at night, you will probably never get a visit.
maybe the inspectors are part of the LVB crowd.
See the above comments.
maybe the inspectors are part of the LVB crowd.Could be because I know public sector workers who make like LVBs and go broke. One state department head was lying about an illness he supposedly had in order to get money for debts. Although it is smarter to get something for services rendered, it's not worth the ethics scandal (if any) or getting caught and the circumstances that follow.
Am currently watching (not closely) a small business owner who acts like a big shot; he's very nosy about othrs yet secretive about his own personals. Strange, volatile, paranoid, & horny like hell; an LVB as well; something's up. Weird ficker.
This maybe should be in Korean Bar Reports but it's more about tactics as the KBG's involved aren't important.
I'm finding more and more that my patented technique of revealing that I'm a bad boy or play boy or whatever you want to call it is working a lot more than I would have suspected. E. G. I'm in a local Kalihi establishment and a KBG (on the wrong side of 50) comes up and makes like she wants a drink. I tell her "I got to warn ya up front I'm a bad boy" "What you mean" "I mean I like to play and my hands are going to be all over your body if I buy you a drink" "Oh, I like that". So I buy the drink even though I know she has a customer waiting in the booth then I started to rub her ass. She seemed to not mind so I leaned over as if I'm going to say something and then started nippling on her neck and ear while my other had started to grab tit. She pulls my hand into her lap and I tell her "I don't want to hold hands, I want to hold pussy" so I started to slide up her inner thigh. She says "Slow down, tonight my body is yours but wait til my other customer is gone, he's going soon". She heads to service him, I bag as I never wait for table hopping KBG's. Only cost me twenty and I had a fun time. Moved over to Napa's for another session with the same opening lines. This time the KBG was around 30something. Same play and she "gave back" saying "You take care of me, I take care of you". Deal. Was a strange night in that I only bought her 2 drinks for about an hour of play. Doesn't happen often enough but sometimes fish do bite.
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Being honest and communicting to the bg what you want cuts through the BS wasting talk. I do something similar with similar results. It also helps to have a rep as as playboy as opposed to a LVB. You'll get more playgirls approaching you than non playgirls too. I say something along the lines of 'I'm a horny guy that likes horny girls' setting up the session right away. If they don't play, no harm no foul and no neko. SIMPLE!
I say something along the lines of 'I'm a horny guy that likes horny girls' setting up the session right away. If they don't play, no harm no foul and no neko. SIMPLE!Thanks Oldee, I'll add that in with maybe "I'm a horny bad boy that is looking for a horny bad girl, if you can handle that, sit down yeobo."
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NinjaLurker
09-01-11, 14:20
Thanks Oldee, I'll add that in with maybe "I'm a horny bad boy that is looking for a horny bad girl, if you can handle that, sit down yeobo."
SsDamn! I learn something new everytime I open this page.
You guys are great. Can't wait to get to HNL and try it out.
Thanks Oldee, I'll add that in with maybe "I'm a horny bad boy that is looking for a horny bad girl, if you can handle that, sit down yeobo."
SsWhen me and my friend use to hit KB 3-4 nights every week for several months, my friend was the aggressive one. I didn't care much for KB because of buying drinks and spending money. He did though. Between us, he was the one to be aggressive and flirt. I'd just sit there and talk to the BG like she's a civilian. Who would be the one getting play? My friend of course. He would let the BG know what's up and what he wants. BG sits by him, flirts with her and grabs her hand and puts it on his crotch already. Most of us guys wouldn't do that. No way! We too shame / shy to do that based on the personality of the person. Because I was like this, my BG just sat there waiting with her hand on my thigh. Only kiss, titty feeling. I was only a little aggressive. My BG was like looking at me waiting for me. I guess because my friend and the BGs was having fun. In fact, since 2 of the BGs who sat next to him was stroking him, my BG then reached under the table and grabbed my friends crotch to. I was like: "WTF? 3 BGs stroking / rubbing his thing?" My friend was just smiling and giggling. She didn't do that to me because I sat there all conservative. I was the goody goodboy. My friend was the naughty bad boy. BGs wasn't turned on by how I acted at the booth. Not playful enough, not aggressive enough and not flirtatious enough. After that, my friend was rubbing it into me saying: "You're not being aggressive enough that's why"
There are basicly 3 types of KBGs to choose from. Play, no play, and maybe / possible play. Unfortunately, the great majority are no play. My guess is 80 to 90. Yes, these girls prey on LVBs and detest sukebe guys for the most part. The play and possible play girls should be your targets IF you are on a play mission. Regular bar goers can pick out the play and possible play girls on sight or within a couple minutes of talking to them. We seen most of the KBGs and they seen us. They may not sit with you, but they KNOW you. ALL regular bargoers have reps. The girls you've sat with have talked about you to other girls and you are always being observed too. This means even if last time was 10 years ago. They remember! I don't always go on play missions. I enjoy just drinking and hanging out relaxing too. Sometimes or even most times, there's no play girls to play with at alot of bars. On play missions, never choose the young hottie princess types. They most likely don't play and if they do, NOT WORTH the price. There's some hotties to be had but you got better chance 3d shift with those. Try Napa or a non EG bg at EG after 2. The LVB LOVELAND bars such as EG, Camelot, Business have either no play or expensive play girls only. Exceptions? Its very unlikely so don't waste your time. Butterfly, Damour, Moonflower, Splash, Monaco HAS play girls but not many. In the room play girls? BIG WASTE of money. Go AMP if you want play in the rooms. If you rich, like to waste money, show off or stupid, disregard my room advice. Better odds in kalihi and beyond. Rooms in kalihi can be reasonable or free too. There's the KBG you need to see on several visits before you can bang her but thats another subject matter. test sukebe guys for the most part. The play and possible play girls should be your targets IF you are on a play mission. Regular bar goers can pick out the play and possible play girls on sight or within a couple minutes of talking to them. We seen most of the KBGs and they seen us. They may not sit with you, but they KNOW you. ALL regular bargoers have reps. The girls you've sat with have talked about you to other girls and you are always being observed too. This means even if last time was 10 years ago. They remember! I don't always go on play missions. I enjoy just drinking and hanging out relaxing too. Sometimes or even most times, there's no play girls to play with at alot of bars. On play missions, never choose the young hottie princess types. They most likely don't play and if they do, NOT WORTH the price. There's some hotties to be had but you got better chance 3d shift with those. Try Napa or a non EG bg at EG after 2. The LVB LOVELAND bars such as EG, Camelot, Business have either no play or expensive play girls only. Exceptions? Its very unlikely so don't waste your time. Butterfly, Damour, Moonflower, Splash, Monaco HAS play girls but not many. In the room play girls? BIG WASTE of money. Go AMP if you want play in the rooms. If you rich, like to waste money, show off or stupid, disregard my room advice. Better odds in kalihi and beyond. Rooms in kalihi can be reasonable or free too. There's the KBG you need to see on several visits before you can bang her but thats another subject matter.
Its the software. Tried deleting over and over till time ran out.
NinjaLurker
09-01-11, 22:18
Its the software. Tried deleting over and over till time ran out.That's ok Oldee. It's good advice worth repeating. LOL
Its the software. Tried deleting over and over till time ran out.When I saw your long post, I was like: "Good, I'm not the only one writing and posting long stuff"
In regards to picking KBGs, the younger hotter ones will more than likely be more reserved. Can tell by their body language. You can tell also based on her facial expression if you bring up sexual topics. Or, a connotation relating to sex. They have the: "Ewww.get Away from me don't touch me!" Thinking. LOL. Some BGs get freaked out when you get a little too perverted. Next thing, they get up and don't come back. LOL. She's like: "Oh gawd! Your one of those guys."
The self centered princesses with many LVB customers are the majority at bars. Patti, Maya, Mimi etc encourage these type behaviors. Actually, most mamas do and the busier bars have more of these type girls. On the surface it just seems that a bar is busy because they have alot of hotties. Nope. They are busy because they have hooked more LVBs! CS in kalihi is often busy yet they aint got any hotties worth mentioning as an example. Loverboys lust for these types. Guys court these robs thinking its only a matter of time before he gets in her pants or makes her his girlfriend. Alot of guys often sit with the same girls out of habit getting neither good service nor play. Amazingly, MOST guys that are regulars of KBGs are doing so out of habit and don't want to piss off their KBG partners. My drinking buddies often like when I go with them because the KBGs know they'll get fired if they don't give good service or table hop. They got to earn their nekos! Sometimes I piss of KBGs when they bring their neko along with our drinks and scold them for doing so and ofc don't let my friends pay. I tell them even if they are regular patrons of that KBG, they still got to earn the neko. We didn't offer after all! Think we cheap? I don't think so. Any of you guys can relate?
Anything propelled by yourself or used for transportation while legally intoxicated=DUI: car, Segway, roller skates, bicycle, skateboard, coiled jumper, magic carpet, wings, broomstick, whatever you desire or can think of. Can anyone add or confirm?
I tell them even if they are regular patrons of that KBG, they still got to earn the neko. We didn't offer after all! Think we cheap? I don't think so. Any of you guys can relate?That's the way to do it, IMO. Lots of pabos (dummies) do it assbackwards: neko first and then expect the service; once they get the money they don't GAS and that's why the KBGs are spoiled and holdout for neko without earning it. Coincidently, it's the LVBs who whine, cry, and beech the most when things don't go their way.
Anything propelled by yourself or used for transportation while legally intoxicated=DUI: car, Segway, roller skates, bicycle, skateboard, coiled jumper, magic carpet, wings, broomstick, whatever you desire or can think of. Can anyone add or confirm?Even if they can't get you on DUI, you could still be hauled in for "nuisance" (sp?) in Hi we don't have a public intox. Law yet.
That's the way to do it, IMO. Lots of pabos (dummies) do it assbackwards: neko first and then expect the service; once they get the money they don't GAS and that's why the KBGs are spoiled and holdout for neko without earning it. Coincidently, it's the LVBs who whine, cry, and beech the most when things don't go their way.So right. Think. With the big head this time. And realize how hard you worked for your $20. I expect no less from someone working for me. No honey, no money, baby.
Of course, up to you, but I wouldn't take any KBG gaming bets on games. The KBGs are notorious for not paying when they lose; of course, when they win they want to collect immediately. Plenty guys get stuck with their unpaid totals; KBGs will pay in the beginning, steadily increase the amounts, and no pay the biggee. I've even heard if unpaid numbers pools and straight bets so use your best judgment and no get huhu (angry) later, OK?
Of course, up to you, but I wouldn't take any KBG gaming bets on games. The KBGs are notorious for not paying when they lose; of course, when they win they want to collect immediately. Plenty guys get stuck with their unpaid totals; KBGs will pay in the beginning, steadily increase the amounts, and no pay the biggee. I've even heard if unpaid numbers pools and straight bets so use your best judgment and no get huhu (angry) later, OK?Right again. I know a guy who played the house block pool and won. Every termite, mosquito and cockroach came out of the woodwork, expecting a drink from the winner."See, I good luck for you, yeah?" Dude was pissed, bought a round for all the other players in the block pool and told the KBGs to eff off.
That's most guys sitting in the booths alone with the KBG he regularly sees. Sometimes guys will go with his boys for support or try tag teaming their target. If they don't have a regular KBG they see, they are hunting for one! Yes, they actually want a relationship with a KBG. Just like courting a civilian, he goes through the courting game similarly except that it costs him more and there are no dates, just time spent at the bar. Lunches, dinners and shopping that are FAKE DATES and is for the KBG to get free meals, presents, and encourage the LVB to be her puppet slave. He has never gotten pussy from her and most likely never will. Have you seen these guys? How can you not? Its the majority of the customers in any bar! No you say? Want to bet? They do not go to the bar for play at the bar, they go for the purpose of getting a gf they can play with OUTSIDE the bar. In the bar, they not sukebe and they compete with other LVBs for being the most non sukebe and nicest guy. Sorry guys, the KBGs all know you really sukebe and just want to make beleive they don't know. FYI, non sukebe guys don't go KBs or just go for the drinks, usually sitting at the bar like a Kapa type monger. Alot of the retiree types sitting at the bar are this kind of LVB too. For every SS, HL, Uki, or HM type bargoers, there are 10 LVBs. At least thats what I see. Sounds like I'm harsh but these are the typical local guys that I wish wouldn't be taken advantage of. Does this LVB type sound like YOU? There is good news! Civilians or AMPs are much cheaper with lesser drama. Just a reminder that there are options for you LVBs.
Per the SB thread and already referenced here, there are an increasing number of KB patrons who display abnormal behavior. They are individuals but share the common denominator of being a KBG LVB. Evidence of such are (but not limited to) :
1. Dislike of other male patrons; potential rivals for their Dream KBG (DKBG) , perhaps?
2. Several sugary (nauseous and boring) compliments paid to their DKBG per visit in the beginning; turning to sexual innuendos later.
3. Impatience; if their DKBG is busy with other patrons they leave immediately for another DKBG at another KB and rotate the visits in hopes of having their undivided attention.
4. Quirky and predictable; repetitive in speech, dress, manner, etc.
5. Paranoid and delusional; believe that people are watching and want to harm them in some way.
6. Moody and sensitive; mood swings are quick, defined, and child-like (habuteru).
7. Act gentlemanly, but they are not; when drunk they openly proposition any KBG for sax.
8. Money is everything; money is the equation and that's why they're having numerous problems.
9. Anger management issues; if they can't get their way it's time to get mad.
10. The world revolves around them. There is nothing else.
11. Very inquisitive about others yet secretive about themselves.
Etc, etc. You'll see these types roaming the KBs and courting their DKBG; very noticeable and obvious due to their impatience and flaky personalities.
That's most guys sitting in the booths alone with the KBG he regularly sees. Sometimes guys will go with his boys for support or try tag teaming their target. If they don't have a regular KBG they see, they are hunting for one! Yes, they actually want a relationship with a KBG. Just like courting a civilian, he goes through the courting game similarly except that it costs him more and there are no dates, just time spent at the bar. Lunches, dinners and shopping that are FAKE DATES and is for the KBG to get free meals, presents, and encourage the LVB to be her puppet slave. He has never gotten pussy from her and most likely never will. Have you seen these guys? How can you not? Its the majority of the customers in any bar! No you say? Want to bet? They do not go to the bar for play at the bar, they go for the purpose of getting a gf they can play with OUTSIDE the bar. In the bar, they not sukebe and they compete with other LVBs for being the most non sukebe and nicest guy. Sorry guys, the KBGs all know you really sukebe and just want to make beleive they don't know. FYI, non sukebe guys don't go KBs or just go for the drinks, usually sitting at the bar like a Kapa type monger. Alot of the retiree types sitting at the bar are this kind of LVB too. For every SS, HL, Uki, or HM type bargoers, there are 10 LVBs. At least thats what I see. Sounds like I'm harsh but these are the typical local guys that I wish wouldn't be taken advantage of. Does this LVB type sound like YOU? There is good news! Civilians or AMPs are much cheaper with lesser drama. Just a reminder that there are options for you LVBs.Totally agree Oldee. Unfortunately, too many guys are looking for that love connection, feeling, stimulation then getting laid. Lots of guys out there wait around for miss right to come along. She no come knocking on their door? Oh wells, find a female at a KB. Better than not having anyone at all.
LVBs try and show the forum now to the BGs.
BG: "Hey, interesting. They talking about you huh? Seems like what they have written is exactly all the things that you seem to be doing."
LVB: "You serious? Really?"
BG: "Duh! Hello? You showing me this site to get points already! So obvious. BTW, I need another drink after reading those postings"
LVB: "What? Why should I? After reading the forum, you no give a shit about me. You just want me to spend money on you"
BG: "How can I give a shit, when I'm seeing numerous guys at the same time and they all be asking me that same question? Duh! Hello? Took you that long to realize?"
LVB: "What? How could you? After all that I done for you.
BG: "LOL! Let me ask you this, what makes you think I would stay with you or be with you forever, when there's other guys hitting on me and you to compete with? They all doing the same things as what you doing now. So, why do I need to be with you? You're basically just one of many guys I see"
LVB: *silent*
BG: "What's the matter? I got a point huh? No comeback?"
LVB: *Silent* face getting all angry and mad.
Hey Kapa and Uki, enjoyed your posts alot! I was recently reminded that some of us are hated by KBGs because we write true stuff about them and want to know our identidys badly. I think even LVBs want to out us so be careful bros. Hey Kapa, yeah, see alot of crazy LVBs these days. They still spend alot though and get nothing, LOL. Maybe the KBGs made them that way, hehe.
Hey Kapa and Uki, enjoyed your posts alot! I was recently reminded that some of us are hated by KBGs because we write true stuff about them and want to know our identidys badly. I think even LVBs want to out us so be careful bros. Hey Kapa, yeah, see alot of crazy LVBs these days.There are guys fishing (for info and particulars) out there about this site & identities. KBs, LVBs, & KBGs are definitely monitoring due in part to general chatter and rumor. I think they know that it's virtually impossible to identify who's who unless there are unusual, particular habits such as: drink vodka / Coke, Jagermeister, rum; inquiring minds want to know. Anyway, the site has struck a nerve with some and enlightened others, that's for sure. Most notably, the funny kine & wiseacre guys have been defined, recognized, & paranoid. Some guys even repeat what has been posted if it's notable.
Going out on a limb. 31-27, UH beats UW!
Member #3994
09-09-11, 13:40
Hey Kapa and Uki, enjoyed your posts alot! I was recently reminded that some of us are hated by KBGs because we write true stuff about them and want to know our identidys badly. I think even LVBs want to out us so be careful bros. Hey Kapa, yeah, see alot of crazy LVBs these days. They still spend alot though and get nothing, LOL. Maybe the KBGs made them that way, hehe.All this talk about LVB reminds me of a joke I saw on TV once, can't remember where was so long ago. Little boy and girl are walking down the street, girl says," I got a goldfish for my be-day." Boy replies," Oh yeah, I got a new dog for mine!" Girl says,"My grandma gave me $25 dollars." "Well mine gave me $100," says the boy. Girl all pissed off now, lifts up her dress and points to her nani,"Well my mom says I have one of these, and with this I can get all of those (points to his manhood) I want!" Sounds like a future KBG!
I also remember back when I started my business, my accountant at the time told me two things to make sure you have a sucessful business, never sign a contract without consulting an attorney first, and second, don't get mixed up with a KBG.
I also remember back when I started my business, my accountant at the time told me two things to make sure you have a sucessful business, never sign a contract without consulting an attorney first, and second, don't get mixed up with a KBG.Contracts and KBGs are similar: both contain holes that will bury you.
Hey Kapa and Uki, enjoyed your posts alot! I was recently reminded that some of us are hated by KBGs because we write true stuff about them and want to know our identidys badly. I think even LVBs want to out us so be careful bros. Hey Kapa, yeah, see alot of crazy LVBs these days. They still spend alot though and get nothing, LOL. Maybe the KBGs made them that way, hehe.I can see KBGs getting pissed but, LVBs shouldn't, in fact most of us are, were or still am LVBs. But, we just don't take it as far as some others. I can see them getting pissed off if we making shit up but, it's not though. It's the reality of what really goes on. You can just go bar and see it for yourself. Also, numerous guys who had relationships with BGs, they'll tell you the same thing.
BTW Oldee, I'm pretty impressed that all those years going bars, you haven't allowed yourself to get burned by a BG. That's pretty impressive. Like you, I was wise enough to listen to guys who had been burned.
BTW Oldee, I'm pretty impressed that all those years going bars, you haven't allowed yourself to get burned by a BG. That's pretty impressive. Like you, I was wise enough to listen to guys who had been burned.Haha, nah Uki bro, I've had my share of getting ripped off and paid my tuition, as HL says. I've also had the fortune of having mentors that taught me how to enjoy myself at KBs but never get involved with a KBG other than for a night's play. I'm still LEVEL 2 STUPID you know, haha. The real smart guys don't go bars and play with freebies. Still, I enjoy KBs because it can be fun if you don't get taken. Whenever I take new guys to the bar, I tell them to play THEIR GAME and not the KBG's game, otherwise no sense play with the girls period. You can also have fun being NEON and just enjoy the atmosphere and drinks.
With economic recovery now revised to 2017 spending is truly selective; take care of needs first then prioritize spending even moreso. I currently use ten percent of net pay for fun; will cut it back to seven percent. If others are thinking like this, instead of spending $50 in the KBs we will now spend $35 (or whatever less than $50).
The point is that KBGs can no longer afford to be arrogant. There has been a definite change in the KB climate recently (arguments, fisticuffs, better service,"friendlier" attitude, less arrogance, weirder LVBs, etc.) but not to the level of truly being customer-friendly; little bit more and it will become better. KBGs are using desperation tactics to get something for nothing but customers are putting a crimp on that BS. As money becomes less and customers' tactical knowledge more, I predict a return to the "good old days" soon; not quite yet so be cautious and NEON. Thirty percent less is a big difference no matter what anyone says; from 300 to 210 pounds is a big weight loss and better for health.
More friendly fooling around and less tricks and arrogance is a good formula worth sacrificing (no nekos) and waiting to happen, IMO. Getting there!
Blackbriar
09-12-11, 13:51
Not.
Even.
One.
Nekohana.
Get smart people. It's your money. They say "No money, no honey." Your comeback should be to flash some cash and say "No honey, no money." and leave. If they stop and negotiate, then you're winning. It's THAT easy.
Not.
Even.
One.
Nekohana.
Get smart people. It's your money. They say "No money, no honey." Your comeback should be to flash some cash and say "No honey, no money." and leave. If they stop and negotiate, then you're winning. It's THAT easy.. Or is it? The BGs always seem to be one up on us. Only through forums like this, are we able to communicate, plan and execute. Some of us now have the scales at about even, but the BG strategy is a constantly evolving demon. NEON is just the start. Not by any means to an end. We also compete with the goody-two-shoes LVB, who are counter productive to the NEON movement.
NEON is just the start. Not by any means to an end. We also compete with the goody-two-shoes LVB, who are counter productive to the NEON movement.LVBs just don't get it; they're not hip. Typical LVBs are actually atypical people who are living in Wonderland when they visit this Fantasy Island; I've seen LVBs who are totally manipulated by KBGs (they are in an altered state). Reminds me of someone in Puppy Love, a zombie, LOL!
The KBGs are either pressing their zombies for more, using desperation tactics, or have resigned themselves to economic reality and providing better service (whatever it may be). Desperation tactics include false promises, inflating tabs, fractured fairy tales, theft, and (add your own). Zombies prepare, beware, and good luck.
Being NEON may not be viral but it is contagious, whether it's due to the prevailing economics, becoming hip to the KBGs, or the influence of this site. The evidence is clear and not coincidental: more guys at the KBs are repeating what is discussed on this site; situations and examples are real and reliable.
Haha, nah Uki bro, I've had my share of getting ripped off and paid my tuition, as HL says. I've also had the fortune of having mentors that taught me how to enjoy myself at KBs but never get involved with a KBG other than for a night's play. I'm still LEVEL 2 STUPID you know, haha. The real smart guys don't go bars and play with freebies. Still, I enjoy KBs because it can be fun if you don't get taken. Whenever I take new guys to the bar, I tell them to play THEIR GAME and not the KBG's game, otherwise no sense play with the girls period. You can also have fun being NEON and just enjoy the atmosphere and drinks.LOL, we all have and it's sad to see it happen. Thevmen don't realize the game being played on them. There are a few dudes on here in love with AMP chicks. I can spot them out a mile a way. When I write how I'm screwing their "girl" they come back asking me indirect questions on what type of service she gave me. They fooled into thinking they special. Come on now, your "girl" do what she does with me what she does with you when you are gone! I called a fellow brother out on it and he was nice enough to let me know he couldn't be sly with me. Lvb lose every time!
ALOT of guys that go KBs buy into the KB culture and BS rules set by mamas and KBGs. They don't realize that they are being made a fool AND being the equivilant of a LVB action wise. Do you buy mama neko just because she mama? Do you buy neko for the girl mama just introduced even tho she not hot and has no personality? Do you buy neko for whoever sits next to you? Do you avoid certain bars / KBGs because you expected to buy nekos? Do you settle for ONLY one choice of kbg at a KB and move bar when you want a different girl? Do you believe KBG lies such as you: smart, handsome, nice, good singer, nice body, caring, gentle, etc? Reality check is do you get the same compliments often outside the bar? Are you afraid to say no after many nekos or agree to soju, champagne, p room etc? I see this at every bar. 100% of the time and its the majority of nekos being bought everday at every KB. There are MANY more common mistakes too numerous to mention. How can you avoid all the traps set out for you? Confused? Not sure? Scared even? Well I got the answer for you. At Aloha KB Fashion T Shirts, our I'm NEON UNLESS YOU SUKEBE TOO shirts will protect you or please you! Now thats what I call a win-win deal!
LOL, we all have and it's sad to see it happen. Thevmen don't realize the game being played on them. There are a few dudes on here in love with AMP chicks. I can spot them out a mile a way. When I write how I'm screwing their "girl" they come back asking me indirect questions on what type of service she gave me. They fooled into thinking they special. Come on now, your "girl" do what she does with me what she does with you when you are gone! I called a fellow brother out on it and he was nice enough to let me know he couldn't be sly with me. Lvb lose every time!Yeah. Some guys really eat it up when they get so and so treatment from a provider or compliments. Heh, but why get all flattered by an AMP girl or BG that you spend money on? If I do get a compliment, I only see it as: "Meh, she only saying that just to make me feel good" I even told a provider: "Oh cmon! You probably saying the same thing to other guys to" I only see it as part of the act to make me enjoy the session more. All I care about is releasing. That's how I look at it. If she's a civilian chick who's interested and I'm not pursuing her, then different story. I'd feel flattered and want to know who it is. But, females from an AMP, just go in there, do your thing and go home. That's all it is. You know how guys can be, they feel good knowing they received something that you didn't. In fact, It makes them feel better if you didn't get the same treatment. They then feel they have topped you. They're like: "Yes! I got it from her but he didn't. Woohoo! Fuck yah baby! Whose the man?" We all take turns with different women. Some girls I like may like my friend instead. Or, the girl my friend likes, may like me instead. Vice versa. We can't hit it off with every single chick we encounter. Alot of guys out there want to 1 up the other guy, even among his own friends. It's the competitiveness. Guys will want to 1 up the other on a number of things. Easy to tell also when they don't praise you."He trying to impress me? I not impressed, I can do better than that, that's nothing!"
Yeah. Some guys really eat it up when they get so and so treatment from a provider or compliments. Heh, but why get all flattered by an AMP girl or BG that you spend money on? If I do get a compliment, I only see it as: "Meh, she only saying that just to make me feel good" I even told a provider: "Oh cmon! You probably saying the same thing to other guys to" I only see it as part of the act to make me enjoy the session more. All I care about is releasing. That's how I look at it. If she's a civilian chick who's interested and I'm not pursuing her, then different story. I'd feel flattered and want to know who it is. But, females from an AMP, just go in there, do your thing and go home. That's all it is. You know how guys can be, they feel good knowing they received something that you didn't. In fact, It makes them feel better if you didn't get the same treatment. They then feel they have topped you. They're like: "Yes! I got it from her but he didn't. Woohoo! Fuck yah baby! Whose the man?" We all take turns with different women. Some girls I like may like my friend instead. Or, the girl my friend likes, may like me instead. Vice versa. We can't hit it off with every single chick we encounter. Alot of guys out there want to 1 up the other guy, even among his own friends. It's the competitiveness. Guys will want to 1 up the other on a number of things. Easy to tell also when they don't praise you."He trying to impress me? I not impressed, I can do better than that, that's nothing!"Hung out at RM for a bit, talking with the girls and MS. When I asked them if they prefer handsome or ugly, tall or short, etc, in unison they stated " We don't care. As long as he has $150" LOL
Heard from a fellow forum bro that got choke LVBs not only KB and VB but at SB and AMPs and MTs now. Decades ago, LVBs were THE MINORITY, playgirls THE MAJORITY. Its the opposite today. I'm lucky to have enjoyed the pre Aids / std / Dui era. Anyhow, there are alot more wierd LVBs as kapa said these days that I notice too. LVBs competing with other LVBs for the affections of a KBG that don't like EITHER of them is common. Alot of stink eye from jealousy going on, LOL. On a recent bar hopping cruise, I noticed the busier the bar, the percentage of LVBs increases to as much as 80% of all bar customers! Yes, thats almost every guy in the booths and more than half the guys on the bar. These busy LOVERBOY LOVELAND bars owe their success to LVBs. Hey loverboys, you are LOVED! Yes, as foolish sucker customers but still loved, LOL. Bad news is that not loved or even liked as a person but as an ATM machine. It may come as a surprise to some of you that ALOT of what is posted here was info told to me and others FROM KBGs about LVBs. They respect playboys and NEON guys more than LVBs! That don't mean they like us but at least they don't take us for fools, LOL. I do not dislike the average LVB. We all been there. I just want to show them options and viewpoints they don't see yet. However, the psycho LVBs popping up here and there too often imo and need profesional help from a shrink. Maybe KBGs made them that way. Just remember that all the violent stories involed crazy LVBs. So percentage wise the increase in LVBs increases the psycho ones too.
I just want to show them options and viewpoints they don't see yet. However, the psycho LVBs popping up here and there too often imo and need profesional help from a shrink. Maybe KBGs made them that way. Just remember that all the violent stories involed crazy LVBs. So percentage wise the increase in LVBs increases the psycho ones too.I'm not pro-qualified to diagnose someone as a psycho or otherwise; however, the LVB zombies who, under KBG influence, are clearly not sane. Oldee makes a good point of incidents involving those with impaired judgment, under the stress & duress of passion, & having no other viewpoints / options. That's one lonely, frustrating, and somewhat sad situation. That's why this site and thread is good! Everybody can contribute, learn, and understand before anything unwanted is said or done.
Just remember that KBGs are poor actresses that have only one role: to bury you ASAP. My role: to be their nightmare (NEON). Don't become a KBG statistic.
Hung out at RM for a bit, talking with the girls and MS. When I asked them if they prefer handsome or ugly, tall or short, etc, in unison they stated " We don't care. As long as he has $150" LOLI also cracked-up at your other post: "What you mean, one hour?" You should conduct an interview and post the text here, better yet publish an LVB pamphlet, or a 'Mongering for Dummies' booklet, or something; would be hilarious.
Oldee: so it's not my imagination, guys really are eyeing each other out. 80% LVBs? 98% of that 80% don't look to me like they'd last 2 seconds in the joint if busted for assault or terroristic threatening.
Everyone needs to calm-down; we are merely taking turns renting these girls, and if one gets a more expensive rate and/or lesser service that's his problem and not the other guy who manages to do better.
I also cracked-up at your other post: "What you mean, one hour?" You should conduct an interview and post the text here, better yet publish an LVB pamphlet, or a 'Mongering for Dummies' booklet, or something; would be hilarious.Now you got me thinking about it! :-P
Be safe HM,
V Rider
Now you got me thinking about it! .
Be safe HM, V RiderSomeone already wrote a "Buy Me Drinkee" bookee. I think your edition would be fun and interesting; I'd buy a copy!
Heard from a fellow forum bro that got choke LVBs not only KB and VB but at SB and AMPs and MTs now. Decades ago, LVBs were THE MINORITY, playgirls THE MAJORITY. Its the opposite today. I'm lucky to have enjoyed the pre Aids / std / Dui era. Anyhow, there are alot more wierd LVBs as kapa said these days that I notice too. LVBs competing with other LVBs for the affections of a KBG that don't like EITHER of them is common. Alot of stink eye from jealousy going on, LOL. On a recent bar hopping cruise, I noticed the busier the bar, the percentage of LVBs increases to as much as 80% of all bar customers! Yes, thats almost every guy in the booths and more than half the guys on the bar. These busy LOVERBOY LOVELAND bars owe their success to LVBs. Hey loverboys, you are LOVED! Yes, as foolish sucker customers but still loved, LOL. Bad news is that not loved or even liked as a person but as an ATM machine. It may come as a surprise to some of you that ALOT of what is posted here was info told to me and others FROM KBGs about LVBs. They respect playboys and NEON guys more than LVBs! That don't mean they like us but at least they don't take us for fools, LOL. I do not dislike the average LVB. We all been there. I just want to show them options and viewpoints they don't see yet. However, the psycho LVBs popping up here and there too often imo and need profesional help from a shrink. Maybe KBGs made them that way. Just remember that all the violent stories involed crazy LVBs. So percentage wise the increase in LVBs increases the psycho ones too.You know what I was thinking, since more people come on this site, the LVB term is used quite often that some guys no like be looked at as being or categorized as a LVB when they in the bar. He be like:
"Oh Shit, I better not do that, people looking. I no like them think I'm a LVB. I better implement the (No care tactic) so they think I'm not one of them" LOL.
Someone already wrote a "Buy Me Drinkee" bookee. I think your edition would be fun and interesting; I'd buy a copy!LOL! Thanks Kapakahi but my experience and knowledge fades in the shadow of sages HM, Hypo, Uki E, SS and others. I'm just a guppy in their fish pond.
Be safe,
V Rider
"Oh Shit, I better not do that, people looking. I no like them think I'm a LVB.Yeah, I also think there are alot LVB forum readers / spys looking for info on their dream KBGs. After all, they are the majority. Most are nice guys being played and under the spell of their DKBG. They then turn into being lovesick jealous puppy dogs as the desease gets worse. They fear we going to post about their DKBG and always check for info. The biggest reason they persist in being a LVB is because they think THEIR DKBG is different. They are not! Lets say they were, the KBG wouldn't want the LVB she met at the bar. Which KBG has a good heart? I think youd have better luck looking for a needle in a haystack. Want to see a LVB? 9 out 10 nekos being bought are from LVBs. Is that you? Actually, deep down, most LVBs know the truth. They just want to reject the truth and instead choose fantasy.
LOL! Thanks Kapakahi but my experience and knowledge fades in the shadow of sages HM, Hypo, Uki E, SS and others. I'm just a guppy in their fish pond.
Be safe,
V RiderNot even. I've been AMPing off and on for years and with but one exception never got to sit and talk story with the staff. Also never got to sit on the couch with the girls or hang in the back areas.
. Or is it? The BGs always seem to be one up on us. Only through forums like this, are we able to communicate, plan and execute.There's a whole wealth of info on "Mind Of A Korean Working Girl","Korean Bar Tactics And Discussions" and reports on "Korean Bar" thread. It's like, what else is there to put down already? Some people need to read and reread and then verify for themselves to confirm if it's true. Other than that, hard for someone to simply believe something written by people whom he doesn't know in real life. If he were to withdraw from what he doing now, what is he going to do to fill that void and make himself happy? He doesn't know. Therefore, he continues to do what he does. It's the temporary happiness they need / crave to help them get by day by day and to help motivate them to look more forward to life.
LOL! Thanks Kapakahi but my experience and knowledge fades in the shadow of sages HM, Hypo, Uki E, SS and others. I'm just a guppy in their fish pond.
Be safe, V RiderThe above-mentioned gentlemen (and others) are credible and experienced. Each contribution adds to various elements of the KB world and its inhabitants; makes and simplifies the whole of KBs and KBGs, IMO. We all need more info and support.
The above-mentioned gentlemen (and others) are credible and experienced. Each contribution adds to various elements of the KB world and its inhabitants; makes and simplifies the whole of KBs and KBGs, IMO. We all need more info and support.Yes, ALL posts help in understanding these women so we can better enjoy ourselves safely. I learn even from newer mongers and guys getting ripped off too as our targets have ever changing tactics against us. I had a little chuckle about these GENTLEMEN (which I'm sure they are outside these establishments) because I'm quite sure they had more fun being UNgentlemenly alot of times, LOL. LVBs may not understand, LOL. On another note, the UH game will be shown on digital cable station CBSSN and not ppv. Analog customers out of luck. Hey Brian, Camelot can afford digital cable and new LCD TVs with all the LVBs that flock to your bar!
I was just hanging around with couple BGs the other day (around 4:00pm) , man, I don't know what to think of them, I don't know if I should feel sorry for them. They seemed to be working very hard for their money, some of them, I sensed that they were worry whether they would make money for the night. Anyway, I saw them working their phones like crazy calling up all their customers to come visit them at the bar. Funny thing though, I saw them putting acts to sweet talking to many of you guys. What do you guys think when a girl calls you and tells you that she missses you, long time no see, etc, and that she wants to see you tonight? And then at the end of the conversation, YOU told her "I LOVE YOU" and she replied "ME TOO". Do you think she really meant she loves you? When I heard that I was like: What a fools.
Hello Kitty
09-17-11, 04:09
I was just hanging around with couple BGs the other day (around 4:00pm) , man, I don't know what to think of them, I don't know if I should feel sorry for them. They seemed to be working very hard for their money, some of them, I sensed that they were worry whether they would make money for the night. Anyway, I saw them working their phones like crazy calling up all their customers to come visit them at the bar. Funny thing though, I saw them putting acts to sweet talking to many of you guys. What do you guys think when a girl calls you and tells you that she missses you, long time no see, etc, and that she wants to see you tonight? And then at the end of the conversation, YOU told her "I LOVE YOU" and she replied "ME TOO". Do you think she really meant she loves you? When I heard that I was like: What a fools.The bars are really slow now even with the football games is not really helping the bars. Like what Kapakahi's Back To The Past post about the economic recovery and I agreed with that post. I know alot of guy that I use to see at the bar lost there jobs. I think now alot of guys saying fuck those girls every man for himself. And it could be Oldee posts that is teaching those LVBs to change. I doing some NEON myself and a bit surprise that I have money in my wallet. It feel weird now to have money in my wallet.
I was just hanging around with couple BGs the other day (around 4:00pm) , man, I don't know what to think of them, I don't know if I should feel sorry for them. They seemed to be working very hard for their money, some of them, I sensed that they were worry whether they would make money for the night. Anyway, I saw them working their phones like crazy calling up all their customers to come visit them at the bar. Funny thing though, I saw them putting acts to sweet talking to many of you guys. What do you guys think when a girl calls you and tells you that she missses you, long time no see, etc, and that she wants to see you tonight? And then at the end of the conversation, YOU told her "I LOVE YOU" and she replied "ME TOO". Do you think she really meant she loves you? When I heard that I was like: What a fools.How about this from one of my favorite kbgs: I like give you blowjob. Buy me only one bottle tonight. LOL.
What do you guys think when a girl calls you and tells you that she missses you, long time no see, etc, and that she wants to see you tonight? And then at the end of the conversation, YOU told her "I LOVE YOU" and she replied "ME TOO". Do you think she really meant she loves you? When I heard that I was like: What a fools.Heh, its common they do that. Text / Call the guy, sweet talk and get mushy with him to soften the guy up that he will eventually come down. The same way a BG will talk dirty / horny to get the guy all worked up and aroused that he'll go backroom. What other things the BGs can say to entice the guy (s) to come down? Pretty much nothing else. That's all they can think of. Would be nice if the BGs be upfront, call the LVB and tell him:
"Yo, what you doing? Busy? Dude, its hella dead right now, you can come down? I cover your beer and bring out pupus. You just got to buy me 10 drinks. Das it! Can or what?"
At least in this case she's being upfront and honest about it. Then, it would make me more likely to want to come down and visit her.
And it could be Oldee posts that is teaching those LVBs to change. I doing some NEON myself and a bit surprise that I have money in my wallet. It feel weird now to have money in my wallet.It only gets better from now. Extra money in your pocket and NEON the KBGs are good habits; pretty soon not throwing your money away will become important to you. Power to the customers! More pocket money and giving the KBGs nightmares-priceless.
LocalGuy808
09-17-11, 19:45
I was just hanging around with couple BGs the other day (around 4:00pm) , man, I don't know what to think of them, I don't know if I should feel sorry for them. They seemed to be working very hard for their money, some of them, I sensed that they were worry whether they would make money for the night. Anyway, I saw them working their phones like crazy calling up all their customers to come visit them at the bar. Funny thing though, I saw them putting acts to sweet talking to many of you guys. What do you guys think when a girl calls you and tells you that she missses you, long time no see, etc, and that she wants to see you tonight? And then at the end of the conversation, YOU told her "I LOVE YOU" and she replied "ME TOO". Do you think she really meant she loves you? When I heard that I was like: What a fools.It's a marketing ploy. It's an act. Don't ever think anything different from any of them. It's their way to get you to come to the bar and spend money.
I was just hanging around with couple BGs the other day (around 4:00pm) , man, I don't know what to think of them, I don't know if I should feel sorry for them. They seemed to be working very hard for their money, some of them, I sensed that they were worry whether they would make money for the night. Anyway, I saw them working their phones like crazy calling up all their customers to come visit them at the bar. Funny thing though, I saw them putting acts to sweet talking to many of you guys. What do you guys think when a girl calls you and tells you that she missses you, long time no see, etc, and that she wants to see you tonight? And then at the end of the conversation, YOU told her "I LOVE YOU" and she replied "ME TOO". Do you think she really meant she loves you? When I heard that I was like: What a fools.Overheard a KBG using I love you in the correct way, when she told one of the bar regulars I rob you.
I been cracking up with the I rob you posts guys, thanks bros! Typical KBG dishonesty usually works for them but shouldn't. I have some friendly advice for you LVBs and KBGs. KBGs should be more honest to customers. LVBs should be more honest to THEMSELES. The reason you LVBs often get robbed and heartbroken is because you lie to yourselves and believe she loves you, you handsome, nice, smart, special etc. You are not and KBGs know that you just want to believe this fantasy. If you were what she tells you, why can't you get that hot civilian girl? Letting you believe these lies means money for them and thats it. KBGs, do you want to make money honestly? I don't think so but IF you did, quit or be a playgirl. Don't hint about play, just do it and say if you do or not. Still want to be a bg but not a playgirl? Fine, be customer oriented with service, skillful conversation or entertainment. Yes, it means less money but when and if LVBs wise up, you will still have customers. Yeah, KBGs would never listen but ASK them and if they say no to that, you at least know which KBGs to not buy nekos for. Yes, thats MOST KBGs. Hey LVBs, is the situation centered on YOU pleasing the KBG and she wants you to please her more than please you? Fire her and don't buy her nekos. Yes, thats MOST KBGs. Avoid those princess types at all costs bros. LVBs give up their most BASIC RIGHT of being the CUSTOMER. Instead they really are SUCKERS! I'm not making fun of you, just want to convert you back to being a customer. As a customer, I garantee you will spend less and enjoy yourself MORE!
LVBs are not going to change. Everyone so far has cited self-delusion as the heart of LVB Syndrome. If this is true, then is some faceless post on a forum going to trigger some satori moment for these benighted twits? Logically not.
If you are personally acquainted with an LVB and want to help him, you probably need to stage an intervention as they do with other ADDICTS.
KBGs? Feh. With an endless supply of LVBs, they will always make a living. Maybe not as much as they'd like, or as much as they used to make back in the day, but it sure beats the fook out of a REAL JOB. Yeah, yeah, it's not easy working in a bar. I have known a number of KBGs who really did try to make it outside. Nearly all went back to the bar business and said that on a bad night, they made more than a week in a real job. The ones who got out and stayed out married a LVB and settled.
Two current bar owners I know of married LVBs and stayed out for a while. One had the old phuck die. The other abused the crap out of the LVB and he finally bailed. In both cases, back to the bar.
So I'm sorry, but you ain't going to change a thing by wishing on it.
As a customer, I garantee you will spend less and enjoy yourself MORE!Must be tough for you nice LVB guys at this time. Your Dream KBGs must be crying, begging, complaining, and pressing you to help them (spend more money) because "bizunisu so slow now, no can making money; you got to helping me, honey" and "what you meaning no can spending money? You no caring about the me?" I'd be taking out a mortgage and plotting a theft just to keep my Dream KBG. And when I go broke and when she dumps me and finds another guy it was still worth it because I like to camp outdoors, beg for help, lose my job, and lie to make ends meet. NOT!"Thank you for helping me, honey. You the best. I promise I pay you back, inom-ah (bastard)!" Double NOT!
LocalGuy808
09-18-11, 15:29
If you want to blow all your cash buying drinks, it's your cash, have at it, I don't give a rip. I don't care if you're a LVB or what your motives are. It doesn't effect me. I'm still going to be to the point with these KBGs, and if they don't want to privide, then I punt and say "next". I don't fall in love with them, I don't finance them, I don't kiss their asses, I don't taxi them around, and I always leave it at the bar.
Hello Kitty
09-18-11, 16:26
If you want to blow all your cash buying drinks, it's your cash, have at it, I don't give a rip. I don't care if you're a LVB or what your motives are. It doesn't effect me. I'm still going to be to the point with these KBGs, and if they don't want to privide, then I punt and say "next". I don't fall in love with them, I don't finance them, I don't kiss their asses, I don't taxi them around, and I always leave it at the bar.Heard that one before. If you never step on the shit once then your really never learn anything.
If you want to blow all your cash buying drinks, it's your cash, have at it, I don't give a rip. I don't care if you're a LVB or what your motives are. It doesn't effect me.Yes, to each their own and while at the bar, I'm not interested in LVBs as only my enjoyment is what I go for. In other words every man for himself attitude. However, in the broader scope of things, LVBs do affect the bars and ALL OTHER customers. I know lot of guys don't give a rip about LVBs but I do. All of us who are veteran bargoers were once LVBs and noobs. Some of us learned from bad experiences, mentors, or both. LVBs don't do it intentionaly, but they do. Its supply and demand, simple economics. If MOST customers paid $20 for a stick of gum, guess how that would affect gum prices? If MOST guys pay $100 a gallon at Aloha gas station it doesn't bother you or affect you? Is the analogy with LVB spending much different? When there were well over a hundred kbars in koreamoku back in the day, LVBs were RARE. Princess no play KBGs were RARE. Its not like LVBs existed from the beginning of time. Over the years, customers changed into LVBs changing the dynamics of the bar culture. Sure, how you spend your money and what you go for is YOUR BUSINESS, but it does have an effect when the majority behaves and spends in the SAME WAY. The I no need advice because I know what I doing and don't get robbed guys are a MINORITY today. The I'll go joe's gas station at $4 a gal and keep it to myself guys will eventually get affected as Joe's gas station will be forced to raise prices because his suppliers raising prices. I have no delusions of helping the masses of LVBs as I've said many times. However, you never know what is written may help past. Present and future LVBs. Why? It makes a difference to THAT guy.
LocalGuy808
09-18-11, 21:34
If MOST customers paid $20 for a stick of gum, guess how that would affect gum prices? If MOST guys pay $100 a gallon at Aloha gas station it doesn't bother .They weren't comparing the cost or supply and demand of items like gas. That's one thing. But the the cost of a KBG drink is another, since the former you need, the latter you don't. Believe me, if the bars try and hike the cost to more than $20, or gum goes to $20 I won't buy any. Seems to me that's an easy enough choice. Anyway, all good.
The only time KBGs are affected is when it concerns their income and status; that's it. KBGs have limited goals in life: to have a pure Korean baby is andúmero uno; not any other kind (the other goals are already known by everybody). If somebody thinks they can affect a KBG emotionally needs a reality check (hope it's cheap). KBGs need money and power (at the expense of others) in order to be happy and not some LVB or Puppy Boy in their way.
Ok, you guys are getting on us that we are ROBs, liars, etc. So, let me ask you this, how do you expect us girls to make money then? I know, you guys going to mention offer play, sex, better service etc etc. But, if you were in our shoes, what would you do for example, if customer after customer is asking you to go out? Do you tell them the truth? If another customer happens to ask you out, do you be open and honest about it? What about a customer pushing the issue on having us BGs as their GF? What do you tell them?
"Oh, I'm sorry, I already have a date scheduled with someone else tomorrow. So sorry. I can't"
"I have to be honest with you, I already have a boyfriend. Sorry, but I just need to tell you the truth"
If customers are volunteering to spend money on you and buy you things, what would you do? Turn it down? Do you feel guilty to take it? If we didn't mind sex then we would just work AMP but, we do mind. That's why we work KB so that we can limit the sex part. If we don't do what we do now (the tricks, tactics and lies) , how do you expect us to make money in a bar? So guys, if you were a female, looking at it from our point of view, what would you do if you were a BG? Would you be the type to be giving BBBJCIM to customers you have no attraction towards? Would you be the type to limit play as much as possible and make money? Would you be openly honest with every customer that you sit with?
Sure you guys say we make alot of $ but, it's not always consistent and not every BG makes the same $ per night. Also, its not like we have full medical, dental. 401k etc and education that we can fall back on. You think what we make is still enough to retire and live comfortably? We need as much $ as we can get. Not all of us are going to hook up with a sugar daddy. You guys are mainly upset because KBs are not like before and that you guys are feeling you're not getting your moneys worth. But, if you guys are upset and bothered, just don't go bar. Simple. If you don't have a problem with it, then go bar.
Bottom line guys, there's always going to be some pathetic, lonely sap guy be hitting on us, asking us to go out with them, be their GF and willing to spoil us. Geez, if you guys see and talk to the type of guys we come across and encounter, my gawd, you guys would probably do the same thing if you were us! Just like how you guys would take advantage of a female who offers sex because she's naive or drunk. Would you guys turn that down? If guys be offering to buy us things and spoils us, don't you think it's stupid to turn that down? We can't force you guys despite us enticing you. You guys can always say no.
It's not our fault that guys are blind and foolish. We're just taking advantage of what's being offered. Oh, but you guys wouldn't dare do that huh? Puhleeeze!
Wow! The nerve! You got to be kidding! But, you write very well and I am pretty sure you are not 100% KBG. Hmmmmm, The only rule I got is that if a girl sits and I say NO! To the drink, then it is NO! First of all if you BKBG's got any class you would ask,"may I have a drink" and not make some stupid comment like "oh, I am soooo thirsty", then go to the toilet and drink out of it.
Or hows this one,"what you got no class you no like buy me drink"? , no BKBG! . You got no class!
Most KBG's don't have any class and that is why they are q KBG. So, at least act like you got some class and be polite and have good manners.
Yes, its your job, and yeah you have your own tactics.
Biggest problem is that a KBG measures a man by how many drinks he buys for them. That is the mind of a Korean working girl, THE END!
Wow! The nerve! You got to be kidding! But, you write very well and I am pretty sure you are not 100% KBG. Hmmmmm, The only rule I got is that if a girl sits and I say NO! To the drink, then it is NO! First of all if you BKBG's got any class you would ask,"may I have a drink" and not make some stupid comment like "oh, I am soooo thirsty", then go to the toilet and drink out of it.
Or hows this one,"what you got no class you no like buy me drink"? , no BKBG! . You got no class!
Most KBG's don't have any class and that is why they are q KBG. So, at least act like you got some class and be polite and have good manners.
Yes, its your job, and yeah you have your own tactics.
Biggest problem is that a KBG measures a man by how many drinks he buys for them. That is the mind of a Korean working girl, THE END!Nah, Nah Un Holy, it's really me who wrote that. Not a BG. Reason why I wrote that? It's basically what BGs would write in response to what we been posting about them. Plus, I think I wrote a lot of things that have put BGs on the hot seat already. LOL. No worries, this is not another Hostess8O8 BG coming on the forum again. But, let's just say BGs were to come together and wrote what I just wrote earlier, what would be most guys comeback to that?
Biggest problem is that a KBG measures a man by how many drinks he buys for them. That is the mind of a Korean working girl, THE END!KBGs are used to all the insults, complaints, and BS from whomever. They have no problem taking the doodoo and turning it into asking (or just bringing without asking) for a neko or bottle. That's the way they penalize everybody for the insults; sometimes you pay for someone else's insults. Some LVBs love the pain that accompanies each neko; feel good.
I penalize them by using KBG Nightmare. What if nobody bought a neko or bottle anymore or for even one day? KBG Nightmare!
What if nobody bought a neko or bottle anymore or for even one day? KBG Nightmare!Just wondering what would happen if we took over a bar one night (well at least the bar as opposed to the booths). It may be kind of fun. I'm always on the lookout for a guy wearing two watches and I wonder if I'm talking to a regular poster sometimes. Imagine a bar line with Uki Eater, Oldee, HM, V-Rider, Kapakahi, etc, all there having their beers wondering who is who and is this the right place. Shoots we could even have a Flash NEON mob-thing (like everyone gets up and swaps chair positions at an exact time). Just make sure your phone text speed is good. Bartenders going WTF, KBG's texting their LVB's to come save them. Just a thought.
Ss
The point I'm making just confirms what Oldee is trying to explain in regards to the big picture. If more LVB converted and not be the easy yes men, BGs as a whole cannot implement their tactics as abusively. It won't work that easy. How can it work when more and more guys won't tolerate their BS? Some guys may say they don't care about those LVBs, not his problem etc. Yeah but, what if that LVB happens to be someone you know? Or, a friends friend that he knows. Me and my friends would either hear about people we know seeing a BGs or, see someone we know in the bar doing the same thing. My friends helped snap me out of it. I'm thankful I didn't become a hardcore LVB. Not saying, you be lecturing guys in a KB but, on this forum, can enlighten some guys.
It does affect every guy including you because BGs will assume you're another LVB and she'll try to implement her tactics on you. Until you put your foot down and stop her, then she'll realize she can't play you that easily as she thought. She'll ask you to buy her a $40 drink, if you refuse, she'll respond with:
"Why not? Other customer (s) [The LVBs] buy me $40 drinks! Why can't you?"
Right girls? Hehe. LVBs splurge and spoil BGs. Do we, the other guys who are not LVBs, want to splurge like the LVB do with not much return? I don't think so. Basically, the BGs are thinking:
"I don't want to sit with this guy, he doesn't buy me enough drinks. Plus, he's trying to get touchy touchy also. Where's my regular LVB I can turn to? Hmm. Let me give him a call. At least I can sit with him and not have to worry about other customers"
That's the problem right there. It forces you to spend more money than you would, due to LVBs spoiling them. If you don't, she'll find a lame excuse to step away and not come back. Also, it limits your options because more and more BGs have gathered more LVBs. BGs have gotten comfortable and spoiled by the LVBs. Next thing you know, BG goes to work and meets up with her other BG friends and it's talk story time.
BG says: "Girls look, look what my LVB bought me yesterday"
Other BG says: "What? What did he get you?"
BG says: "He got me an IPad 2!"
Other BG says: "What, really? Wow that's so nice!"
BG says: "Yes! I didn't even ask for it. He just wanted me to have it so we can communicate when he's at work and when I'm at work"
BG says: "He got me the one with 3G + WiFi and he's paying for the plan also!"
Other BGs says: "Thank goodness for these loverboys today!"
BG says: "Yes, technology has become advanced. The loverboys are getting more advanced also. They can do so much for you unlike before"
Other BGs say: "Yeah I know. They don't complain, they buy you things and they don't get touchy touchy. I wish all men will be LVBs in the future"
BG says: "I hope they come out with a newer model eventually"
Other BGs say: "IPad 3?"
BG says: "No, no the LVBs"
Other BGs say: "Oh yah! Sorry. What was I thinking! Duh? They should fix the moodiness and psycho part of a LVB. If that's fixed, I'm definitely upgrading!"
Just wondering what would happen if we took over a bar one night (well at least the bar as opposed to the booths). It may be kind of fun. I'm always on the lookout for a guy wearing two watches and I wonder if I'm talking to a regular poster sometimes. Imagine a bar line with Uki Eater, Oldee, HM, V-Rider, Kapakahi, etc, all there having their beers wondering who is who and is this the right place. Shoots we could even have a Flash NEON mob-thing (like everyone gets up and swaps chair positions at an exact time). Just make sure your phone text speed is good. Bartenders going WTF, KBG's texting their LVB's to come save them. Just a thought.
SsI'm not sure if it was Master JR, but when I was relatively new to the Forum the response to a similar suggestion was, "It's been done before"; also that what they did was fold a corner in their bar napkin.
Just wondering what would happen if we took over a bar one night (well at least the bar as opposed to the booths). It may be kind of fun. I'm always on the lookout for a guy wearing two watches and I wonder if I'm talking to a regular poster sometimes. Imagine a bar line with Uki Eater, Oldee, HM, V-Rider, Kapakahi, etc, all there having their beers wondering who is who
SsThat would be awesome! I'm sure the mamas would be hoping its not their bar we hit and there would be a desparate call for LVBs to save them, LOL. Guys would go just to see who we are as well as LVBs trying to act NEON spying on us. We could have most ugly monger, worst dressed, most sukebe mouth contests etc. Of course we got to pick a LVB LOVELAND bar for this. Onlookers would help protect our identidys and the POSSIBILITY of us going will be a nightmare for KBs. Hey mamas, avoid the nightmare and provide better service and play or we might go your bar. Hey HL, I know you the west side man but a trip into town would be an interesting change of pace. Of course if we go Kalihi we might outnumber the LVBs at some bars as its slow these days which would also be interesting, LOL.
Just wondering what would happen if we took over a bar one night (well at least the bar as opposed to the booths). It may be kind of fun. I'm always on the lookout for a guy wearing two watches and I wonder if I'm talking to a regular poster sometimes. Imagine a bar line with Uki Eater, Oldee, HM, V-Rider, Kapakahi, etc, all there having their beers wondering who is who and is this the right place. Shoots we could even have a Flash NEON mob-thing (like everyone gets up and swaps chair positions at an exact time). Just make sure your phone text speed is good. Bartenders going WTF, KBG's texting their LVB's to come save them. Just a thought.
SsI'm in! I'll follow SS anywhere, anytime, for any reason.
V Rider
I'm in! I'll follow SS anywhere, anytime, for any reason.
V RiderFuuuck. I'm in too. No worries my tx speed up 2 par.
$40 drinks in the KBs? I thought it was a VB thing. Seen a few posts.
$40 drinks in the KBs? I thought it was a VB thing. Seen a few posts.Certain girls at EG tried that. I haven't come across it at other town bars yet personally. I'm hoping that stupid idea will die-out before it spreads.
$40 drinks in the KBs? I thought it was a VB thing. Seen a few posts.I was only saying that as an example.
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BG says: "Girls look, look what my LVB bought me yesterday"
Other BG says: "What? What did he get you?"
BG says: "He got me an IPad 2!"
Other BG says: "What, really? Wow that's so nice!"
BG says: "Yes! I didn't even ask for it. He just wanted me to have it so we can communicate when he's at work and when I'm at work"
BG says: "He got me the one with 3G + WiFi and he's paying for the plan also!"
Other BGs says: "Thank goodness for these loverboys today!"
BG says: "Yes, technology has become advanced. The loverboys are getting more advanced also. They can do so much for you unlike before"
Other BGs say: "Yeah I know. They don't complain, they buy you things and they don't get touchy touchy. I wish all men will be LVBs in the future"
BG says: "I hope they come out with a newer model eventually"
Other BGs say: "IPad 3?"
BG says: "No, no the LVBs"
Other BGs say: "Oh yah! Sorry. What was I thinking! Duh? They should fix the moodiness and psycho part of a LVB. If that's fixed, I'm definitely upgrading!"Fricken Uki Eater, you on the pulse, man! That is some creative and very accurate s*t! LMFAO! Love reading yours insights!
V Rider
Certain girls at EG tried that. I haven't come across it at other town bars yet personally. I'm hoping that stupid idea will die-out before it spreads.I've seen it at Splash and Camelot too, since at least a year ago. The KB logic is since its a regular size beer, should be double cost, LOL. Of course Maui KBs had $40 for a long time now. I have only seen LVBs buying these drinks. Also, I have seen the price of soju bottles vary from $100 to $220 depending on what they think the LVB will pay. I have also seen the private rooms go for free to regulars. Yeah, they get ripped off from the other costs but at least they think they got a deal.
I have also seen the $40 drinks at KBs, and even participated quite a few times. However, when the girls want a $40 drink it has to be a bottle of Heineken. When I did partake in this activity, it was pretty much to get a cocky girl wasted. They think they can get away with all kinds of crap, but sometimes you need to teach them a lesson. Cost wasn't an object and most of them would be wasted after 2 or 3 drinks. 4 drinks tops. Get them early enough in the night and they are gone for the rest of it. 2 drinks and they net $60, 3 drinks $90, 4 drinks $120. Not much money to be made after that when they are sleeping or puking in the bathroom. There's also the payback the following day when they are suffering from a hangover and don't come to work. A couple times the girl came to work the next day and I said, let's go again. They want the money, but don't want to go through that nightmare again and become very tractable.
I have also seen the $40 drinks at KBs, and even participated quite a few times. However, when the girls want a $40 drink it has to be a bottle of Heineken. When I did partake in this activity, it was pretty much to get a cocky girl wasted. They think they can get away with all kinds of crap, but sometimes you need to teach them a lesson. Cost wasn't an object and most of them would be wasted after 2 or 3 drinks. 4 drinks tops. Get them early enough in the night and they are gone for the rest of it. 2 drinks and they net $60, 3 drinks $90, 4 drinks $120. Not much money to be made after that when they are sleeping or puking in the bathroom. There's also the payback the following day when they are suffering from a hangover and don't come to work. A couple times the girl came to work the next day and I said, let's go again. They want the money, but don't want to go through that nightmare again and become very tractable.If you want to save some cash and still have the fun, get a KBG to drink Bud Ice.
If you go to a bar and someone wants a drink, its what you buy and pay for. A KBG wants a drink from me, she can have a Bud Ice or Budweiser.
Also, I like to have one rule. She shouldn't ask for a drink. If she is going to get one, ill buy it. If She asks, she can fuck off and move on. That's why I usually like to sit at a bar top. Bartenders will take care of me, and ill take care of them.
Imagine a bar line with Uki Eater, Oldee, HM, V-Rider, Kapakahi, etc, all there having their beers wondering who is who and is this the right place. SsIt would be a privilege to be in such a bar counter line-up. The [i]Land of The Dead Neko[i]; flash mob NEON at all other KBs. The KBGs would croak and overload the cells calling their LVBs to save their okoles.
A KBG wants a drink from me, she can have a Bud Ice or Budweiser. Also, I like to have one rule. She shouldn't ask for a drink.Either you guys are too nice or I'm nicer. I'd make them drink shots of over 100 proof liquor and verify it's the real stuff each time; just do the finger tip or nose vapor test, hehehe! $Forty would get them a tequila shot with a Bud Ice back. But since I no buy nekos, no need pilikia.
Either you guys are too nice or I'm nicer. I'd make them drink shots of over 100 proof liquor and verify it's the real stuff each time; just do the finger tip or nose vapor test, hehehe! $Forty would get them a tequila shot with a Bud Ice back. But since I no buy nekos, no need pilikia.That's another reason I like to sit at the bar. I can watch the bartender and what's going on. I've seen a bar where the shots and beers for the KBGs were watered down. They poured beer from the bottle and refilled the bottle with water. Before it went to the table for the girls. Same with shots.
I'm in! I'll follow SS anywhere, anytime, for any reason.
V RiderLOL V. I think this is a clear example of the student becoming the teacher, butterfly. Hey remember the guy that spent all his truck money on a stripper? We were sitting at Exotic Nights, I think. He spent like 5 drinks and got 5 knee squeezes. I take a dollar and go give it to the girl while she's dancing and get 2 tits in my face. Come back to table and tell the guy "$100 for 5 knee squeezes or for the same price get 200 tits in your face. You choose." LOL good fun.
I like that folded napkin idea.
HM mentioned play to be had in certain booths at Winner 8. How true and it brings up a point / signal. Ever notice the KBG's will either direct to a "public" booth or a private one. Or just want to stay at the bar. Seems to me its an indicator that could be useful for some. In my case it doesn't matter. If she wants to stay at the bar, well, the bartender is going to get a show. If she's heading for the "discreet" booths, well, fine, no show for anybody (except me). Anyways, point is, the KBG is sending you signals by her booth choice position. They all know the most discreet booths and if they head that way, game on. I guess I kindah mess it up 'cause I don't care who sees what.
$40 drinkees are all over the place in the Kapiolani area. You want girls that drink bottled beer or shots? May I suggest any Kalihi bar. Now sometimes they get those little turd bottles of beer or they drink that 64 beer, but, they do drink and they do on occasion get all drunk. As I mentioned before, I'm not going to take any passed out KBG home (last one I did that for pee'd in my car) 'cause that can have all sorts of legal ramifications, however, it sure is fun to watch a drunk KBG or MS trying to bark at ants or call Ralph on the ivory phone. Again, good fun.
Ss
butterfly.
SsHeh heh. Thai slang term, eh? I remember that guy. I also remember getting an EN girl for $60 / CFS in my SUV. Then there was Christy, with her sister Suzie. Awesome in bed, and Suzie was a cutie, too. Then there was the haole girl Candy (real name Michelle) when Femme Nu still had the shower. Tried to draw the line when her and Tigra (Italian girl from Marettimo) used to show up at my work place. Remember that? :P Then there was...... I'll stop there. Wrong thread.
V Rider
I was only saying that as an example.Sorry brother. I wasn't referring to any post in particular, just posts in general. Some of the hoz will 'allow' you to buy them full size, unopened 12oz beers for $40. I don't know if that counts.
I've seen a bar where the shots and beers for the KBGs were watered down. They poured beer from the bottle and refilled the bottle with water. Before it went to the table for the girls. Same with shots.I find this so unbelievable! Not that you have seen it, I believe you are accurately reporting, rather, that it occurs. Imagine fake drinks! What the heck is this world coming to? Next thing you know they'll start recycling uneaten peanuts. (ss smiles and moves on)
Ss
I find this so unbelievable! Not that you have seen it, I believe you are accurately reporting, rather, that it occurs. Imagine fake drinks! What the heck is this world coming to? Next thing you know they'll start recycling uneaten peanuts. (ss smiles and moves on)
SsNot saying it happens everywhere, or everytime. But it has been witnessed by me. Of course the drinks went to a table that was away from the bar. I think the girl was milking the guy, and they started watering the drinks to keep her sober, him drunk and spending. I think this particular night, the guy had an open tab. I never go to a KB and open a tab, or use plastic. I've seen the KBGs try to prey on guys that open a tab.
I prefer cash, I pay as I go. Kinda keeps the money in check.
I find this so unbelievable! Not that you have seen it, I believe you are accurately reporting, rather, that it occurs. Imagine fake drinks! What the heck is this world coming to? Next thing you know they'll start recycling uneaten peanuts. (ss smiles and moves on)
Ss Pearls of wisdom. "I am not worthy! I am not worthy!" says V Rider.
I prefer cash, I pay as I go. Kinda keeps the money in check.The dirty buggahs will run your card through the machine to find the available balance before the tab is closed. Then it's party time for the conts. They also can get the security code, legal name, etc, & I wouldn't trust them; no more money, go home!
Was thinking that maybe we were getting too repetitive on this thread, but, recent posts seem to have countered my opinion. So with apologies to the usual gang of suspects, perhaps we should revisit some of the revelations about KB's and KBG's for the newer crowd.
As a backgrounder, I first went into KB when the drinkee's were $5 as in five dollars. At that time a Waikiki cocktail would cost you $3 or $4 dollars plus parking so it seemed like a pretty good deal to me. Almost overnight it went up to $10 with the KBG getting $6 and the house $4.
Then around '86 or so the KBG's moved it up to $20, again, overnight a 100% increase. How did each of these increases happen? Simple, guys were willing to pay the price. Now, it would appear that the $40 drinks are going to establish themselves all over the place. Again the answer to why is simple.
Ok so for the new guys. You are not buying drinks. That is only a pretext to the actual purchase of the KBG's time. She doesn't love you. She wants your money. If you don't pay her, she will go away. She will not always drink actual alcohol. Usually, she will drink tea or water or juice. If the bottle comes to the table it has probably been watered down (not always, but more often than not). If the KBG looks 30 she is at least 35+ (I know one that I thought was 40 and she was actually 50 and she looks good BTW). KBG's will take their cues from you. If you act all drunk, she'll act all drunk. If you act all loverboy, she'll act all lovergirl. Bottom line when you are out of money she's going to be gone. The good ones will do it in a way that leaves you thinking that you should maybe go to the ATM. You will be KING until your CASH is gone. DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT run a tab or pay with a credit card. You WILL be ripped off. I guarantee that. They'll add drinks that never happened or a huge tip for the waiter or whatever. A running tab will ALWAYS have more charges on it than were actually delivered. Oh and if you complain your KBG will make like she is siding with you, but, you are still going to pay and then she'll walk you outside, give you a hug, send you on your way, walk back in and High Five the MS.
The KBG's will say anything, act any way, with one goal in mind which is getting your money."Oh she's different, she's my girl" No she is not. Taking into account age (which would be to my disadvantage) I will guarantee you that any KBG that you think is your "girl" has given me or someone like me "stink finger" before you ever arrived on the scene. Believe it! And please don't let them raise the drinks to $40 all over the place. Remember you are buying her time. Do you make $160+ an hour?
Oh yeah. Been there done that to all of the above so I'm not trying to play some wise-guy. Just want to save you some anquish and money is all.
Good luck to us all.
Ss
Oh yeah. Been there done that to all of the above so I'm not trying to play some wise-guy. Just want to save you some anquish and money is all. Good luck to us all. SsYour examples are very true; KBGs have incorporated all the tricks-of-the-trades of other crooked businesses into their own. Their tactics are basically techniques used in interrogation, subterfuge (strategy of lies, deception, & fear) , and hardcore sales. You'll also notice that KBGs protect their personal information because they know it can be used against them. Defeating the KBGs is easy; just take that first NEON step and watch the devil go crazy.
Was thinking that maybe we were getting too repetitive on this thread, but, recent posts seem to have countered my opinion. So with apologies to the usual gang of suspects, perhaps we should revisit some of the revelations about KB's and KBG's for the newer crowd.
As a backgrounder, I first went into KB when the drinkee's were $5 as in five dollars. At that time a Waikiki cocktail would cost you $3 or $4 dollars plus parking so it seemed like a pretty good deal to me. Almost overnight it went up to $10 with the KBG getting $6 and the house $4.
Then around '86 or so the KBG's moved it up to $20, again, overnight a 100% increase. How did each of these increases happen? Simple, guys were willing to pay the price. Now, it would appear that the $40 drinks are going to establish themselves all over the place. Again the answer to why is simple.
Ok so for the new guys. You are not buying drinks. That is only a pretext to the actual purchase of the KBG's time. She doesn't love you. She wants your money. If you don't pay her, she will go away. She will not always drink actual alcohol. Usually, she will drink tea or water or juice. If the bottle comes to the table it has probably been watered down (not always, but more often than not). If the KBG looks 30 she is at least 35+ (I know one that I thought was 40 and she was actually 50 and she looks good BTW). KBG's will take their cues from you. If you act all drunk, she'll act all drunk. If you act all loverboy, she'll act all lovergirl. Bottom line when you are out of money she's going to be gone. The good ones will do it in a way that leaves you thinking that you should maybe go to the ATM. You will be KING until your CASH is gone. DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT run a tab or pay with a credit card. You WILL be ripped off. I guarantee that. They'll add drinks that never happened or a huge tip for the waiter or whatever. A running tab will ALWAYS have more charges on it than were actually delivered. Oh and if you complain your KBG will make like she is siding with you, but, you are still going to pay and then she'll walk you outside, give you a hug, send you on your way, walk back in and High Five the MS.
The KBG's will say anything, act any way, with one goal in mind which is getting your money."Oh she's different, she's my girl" No she is not. Taking into account age (which would be to my disadvantage) I will guarantee you that any KBG that you think is your "girl" has given me or someone like me "stink finger" before you ever arrived on the scene. Believe it! And please don't let them raise the drinks to $40 all over the place. Remember you are buying her time. Do you make $160+ an hour?
Oh yeah. Been there done that to all of the above so I'm not trying to play some wise-guy. Just want to save you some anquish and money is all.
Good luck to us all.
SsDamn, that's years of experience you just shared with us. And from a sage, so it's not some LVB making the same mistake over and over. Thanks for sharing, Shipshape. Can't put a value on this information.
As I have always said, it is a game. Just got to play the game better than them.
Bro's before Ho's. Always.
Be safe, Shipshape.
V Rider
I've been a bargoer back when neko was $2 and $3 bucks so I have experienced much the same as well as being the sucker victim like any other monger. Some of you would freak out to know how easy it was to get cheap play long ago. We'll never go back to those fun wild times but that doesn't mean we still can't have cheap fun today either. All the info you need is written on the forums for being a wise consumer. This generation of KBGs are much different than the past KBGs because of LVB behavior dictating spending habits and getting EMOTIONALY INVOLVED. I don't EVER see successes by LVBs because they put themselves in a no win situation from the start. They don't get the heads KBG wins, tails LVB lose game because lust is blind. Some go after KBG after KBG searching for miss dream KBG for YEARS being the definition of INSANITY for all to see. Some go for the TROPHY KBG and don't care about sex. Some just go to show off and compete with other LVBs. Some are just psycho LVBs with a screw missing. If most guys was like a playboy instead of a loverboy, we'd all enjoy ourselves more while spending less. The FEAR of the KBG leaving your side because you LVBs are emotionaly attached is what fuels and drives the KB business. If us sukebe guys were the majority, there would be more play for less money. Sure, alot of princess KBGs would quit but they are useless anyway other than eye candy. I can go Ala Mo or Waiks for that. Even AMPs got more eye candy than alot of KBs. Learn to play the bad boy sukebe game or be NEON and I garantee you will enjoy yourself MUCH MORE than any LVB. Be the playboy that breaks the KBGs heart and make them cry instead of visa visa. Yes, I have done this although I think they cried because they couldn't play me, LOL. They don't know what love is because they just love money. Have fun and laugh at yourself too. After all, the KB GAME is the KING of all BS GAMES! You need is written on the forums for being a wise consumer. This generation of KBGs are much different than the past KBGs because of LVB behavior dictating spending habits and getting EMOTIONALY INVOLVED. I don't EVER see successes by LVBs because they put themselves in a no win situation from the start. They don't get the heads KBG wins, tails LVB lose game because lust is blind. Some go after KBG after KBG searching for miss dream KBG for YEARS being the definition of INSANITY for all to see. Some go for the TROPHY KBG and don't care about sex. Some just go to show off and compete with other LVBs. Some are just psycho LVBs with a screw missing. If most guys was like a playboy instead of a loverboy, we'd all enjoy ourselves more while spending less. The FEAR of the KBG leaving your side because you LVBs are emotionaly attached is what fuels and drives the KB business. If us sukebe guys were the majority, there would be more play for less money. Sure, alot of princess KBGs would quit but they are useless anyway other than eye candy. I can go Ala Mo or Waiks for that. Even AMPs got more eye candy than alot of KBs. Learn to play the bad boy sukebe game or be NEON and I garantee you will enjoy yourself MUCH MORE than any LVB. Be the playboy that breaks the KBGs heart and make them cry instead of visa visa. Yes, I have done this although I think they cried because they couldn't play me, LOL. They don't know what love is because they just love money. Have fun and laugh at yourself too. After all, the KB GAME is the KING of all BS GAMES!
After going to most of the KBs in the '80s around town (my girl used to occasionally moonlight as a KBG) , not only has things changed so much, but most of the girls are not trying to screw every guy for money. Not saying that they won't do that, but it's not their main thing. Also, most are not there looking for a boyfriend either-a sugardaddy maybe, but not really a BF. Luckily, I didn't have to spend much money at any of the KBs, but I saw sooo many guys wasting thousands of dollars for nothing. If the price of drinks is going up to $40 now, there must be a lot of guys wasting 10s of thousands of dollars. Loooze money.
After going to most of the KBs in the '80s around town (my girl used to occasionally moonlight as a KBG) , not only has things changed so much, but most of the girls are not trying to screw every guy for money. Not saying that they won't do that, but it's not their main thing. Also, most are not there looking for a boyfriend either-a sugardaddy maybe, but not really a BF. Luckily, I didn't have to spend much money at any of the KBs, but I saw sooo many guys wasting thousands of dollars for nothing. If the price of drinks is going up to $40 now, there must be a lot of guys wasting 10s of thousands of dollars. Loooze money.Today, its that and combinations of the 5 shot special, bottles of soju, wine, and chamPAIN. Makes me want to be a KBG in my next life since the LVB army never seems to learn, LOL. What a life. 200 to 1000s and an hour trading my time for money with perks of favors and gifts to boot! On top of that, no need give sex! Just need to avoid the sukebe guys that are the minority. Good thing got 10 LVBs for every one of those. Loooze money is soo right.
You guys kill me. There used to be "host bars" all over this town. Don't know of any still around. Know a few guys who worked in those joints. Like the old saying goes, the grass is greener on the other side of the bar.
It ain't all fun and games. You aren't going to drinking champagne and peeling grapes with a supermodel. Your most common customers will be bar owners after hours and bored housewives (who might be desperate-looking, but never mind that now). You will have to contend with jealous LVBs who followed their DKBGs to the after-hours bar and occasionally the husband who just got back from deployment who figured out those credit card charges.
Oh, and if you don't speak Korean, you are SOL. Like the old Cosa Nostra, jobs come by direct references. You ain't going to drop off a resume and hope for an interview.
Host bars-no doubt! Get nutz ones in JPN. LOL.
One of my experiences comes from Japanese companies that have owners or representatives who spend a week or so doing their business in Hawaii. At the time, KB's were cheap to them and Japanese companies paid for everything with cash. Not unusual for these reps and owners to show up with, on average, 40 or 50k in cash. For more than 8 years I have seen these guys drop 2, 3, or 4 thousand dollars in one night, more than one night of their stay. It's how they enjoy their time after work. Nothing special to celebrate, just what they do to unwind.
These business owners and those that have these "expense accounts" did nothing to help us out, either. I thought it was cool at the time because I just tagged along and got many freebies by association.
V Rider
Let me guess, were they dropping most of this cash at "The Office"?
One of my experiences comes from Japanese companies that have owners or representatives who spend a week or so doing their business in Hawaii. At the time, KB's were cheap to them and Japanese companies paid for everything with cash. Not unusual for these reps and owners to show up with, on average. 40 or 50k in cash. For more than 8 years I have seen these guys drop 2, 3, or 4 thousand dollars in one night, more than one night of their stay. It's how they enjoy their time after work. Nothing special to celebrate, just what they do to unwind.
These business owners and those that have these "expense accounts" did nothing to help us out, either. I thought it was cool at the time because I just tagged along and got many freebies by association.
V Rider
Let me guess, were they dropping most of this cash at "The Office"?I would guess the majority of the money was spent at Ohsama, Shiroihana or Crystal Palace.
Luckily, I didn't have to spend much money at any of the KBs, but I saw sooo many guys wasting thousands of dollars for nothing. If the price of drinks is going up to $40 now, there must be a lot of guys wasting 10s of thousands of dollars. Loooze money.Many of the LVB / Stooge types lose money because they have no meaning or purpose in life. The bars and BGs are just an expensive and convenient excuse for that void. Call it loneliness or whatever but everbody needs something worthwhile (key word) to exist. KBs, VBs, booze, & BGs used to be my bondo of choice to fill the pukas; BGs made the pukas larger, however, because they're nothing but grief and good for only one thing.
Now, after reflection and reality, I have diverted the negative to more wholesome and constructive (not destructive) activities that involve overall well-being. In other words, I'm taking care of Numba One. Some LVBs and Stooges never learn the difference between numbers one and two; may your math and common sense improve quickly.
Many of the LVB / Stooge types lose money because they have no meaning or purpose in life. The bars and BGs are just an expensive and convenient excuse for that void. Call it loneliness or whatever but everbody needs something worthwhile (key word) to exist. KBs, VBs, booze, & BGs used to be my bondo of choice to fill the pukas; BGs made the pukas larger, however, because they're nothing but grief and good for only one thing.
Now, after reflection and reality, I have diverted the negative to more wholesome and constructive (not destructive) activities that involve overall well-being. In other words, I'm taking care of Numba One. Some LVBs and Stooges never learn the difference between numbers one and two; may your math and common sense improve quickly.Mean your post Kapakahi. BGs or even women in general can't really fill the void. They can leave you empty or make the void emptier. BGs are like material objects. You know how buying materialistic things can make you happy for a while, but, eventually you get tired and bored of it? What do you do? Buy another newer model. If that object you bought happens to break, you lost it, or someone stole it from you, know that you can get another one to replace it. It's not the end of the world if you don't have it. That's how you should view BGs and women. They come and go. How can you expect BGs to fill your void when they busy trying to fill their own? Take care of numbah one because BGs won't do it for you. They to busy seeing numbah one hundred guys trying to make numbah one million dollars. Next thing you know, the BG says:
"Can, I get numbah one more drink?"
Fisherman808
09-25-11, 08:22
All too true! However consider this, where would someone beyond their prime go to meet and talk with young pretty girls? Night clubbing at 50 something. I don't think so. Buy a girl (20s. 30s) a drink at a "regular bar" probably not. Every now and then you find one BG that does not try to empty your wallet. Dated a few "locals" that I spent more time and money on. Talk about lose money.
IMHO local girls are the problem, if they were nicer and didn't snub local guys there would not be so many hostess bars around. Long ago the strip clubs had hot girls and it has never been the same. Back in the day it was better to take your dollar bills and sit bolo head row. At least you saw then naked for your $20. The best looking strippers now would not have gotten a second look back in the day.
At hostess bars you can dress comfortably, eat (bars have some of the best grinds) sit with a pretty young girl of your choice. Lots of eye candy and if you want change partners just because you want to. As long as you have fun and enjoy without overdoing it.
As long as you have fun and enjoy without overdoing it.Words of wisdom not often practiced because the BGs want to throw as much temptation as possible your way; they want you to commit without any guarantee (s) on their part. They play it so they can bail anytime and you end up the multiple loser. Uki referred to BGs as commodities and materialistic objects; treat them as much as when you buy a phone, bicycle, toilet seat, etc. Shop around, be selective, beware if salespeople, and be practical and consider value versus price.
As you can tell from my reports, I'm mostly into the massage therapist scene, but I'm wondering how does the money work for a KBG? So, LVB buys a $40 neko. Does the bg get half of that from the bar right then, or at the end of the night? Or is it more than half? Less than half? Or do they just buy a normal drink and pocket the difference? Do they have quotas from the bar? Enquiring minds want to know. Please don't answer if you think the info might be damaging. But it's pretty clear how it works in the MT scene (1/2 house + tip) , and I wondered how it works on the kbg side. Sorry to be such a newb, but forewarned is forearmed.
Gherkin
As you can tell from my reports, I'm mostly into the massage therapist scene, but I'm wondering how does the money work for a KBG? So, LVB buys a $40 neko. Does the bg get half of that from the bar right then, or at the end of the night? Or is it more than half? Less than half? Or do they just buy a normal drink and pocket the difference? Do they have quotas from the bar? Enquiring minds want to know. Please don't answer if you think the info might be damaging. But it's pretty clear how it works in the MT scene (1/2 house + tip) , and I wondered how it works on the kbg side. Sorry to be such a newb, but forewarned is forearmed.
GherkinWhat does "1/2 house + tip" actually mean?
For the girls I sit with at Kalihi kbgs, you buy the $20 neko, and the girl pays $5 for it. Don't know what the percentage is if you buy a bottle for the room, but couple times the kbg I was with hinted that she made a better percentage if we fucked for 10 drinks rather than 1 bottle.
What does "1/2 house + tip" actually mean?Means the customer pays the house fee plus a tip. The MT gets to keep 1/2 of the house fee (typically) , and all of the tip. I'm talking about real massage places where extras are extremely possible (I. E. : Best Thai, etc.). It's the same model used in totally legit massage places too. Perhaps it's different at an "extras-only" AMP like Hanabi or Apple, or somewhere like VIP or Nirvana. I'm not sure. In California, a $$ AAMP (apartment asian massage parlor) visit with full service results in $.4 going to the RA (relaxation associate - the girl) , with the rest going to the house to cover the PO (phone operator - who takes appointments and gives directions) and the organization that rents the premises.
Gh
Thumperforq
09-25-11, 18:42
As you can tell from my reports, I'm mostly into the massage therapist scene, but I'm wondering how does the money work for a KBG? So, LVB buys a $40 neko. Does the bg get half of that from the bar right then, or at the end of the night? Or is it more than half? Less than half? Or do they just buy a normal drink and pocket the difference? Do they have quotas from the bar? Enquiring minds want to know. Please don't answer if you think the info might be damaging. But it's pretty clear how it works in the MT scene (1/2 house + tip) , and I wondered how it works on the kbg side. Sorry to be such a newb, but forewarned is forearmed.
GherkinIt depends on the bar. On a $20 drink for a hostess, if you pay cash, it is either a $4/$16 split or a $5/$15 split between the bar and the hostess. Drinks paid with credit card are typically split $10/$10 because the bar has to cover the merchant fees for CC transactions. The split may also change if a private room is used.
If you buy a drink for a waitress / waiter, bartender, or dancer, it is typically split $10/$10 because waitress / waiter, bartender, dancers already receive a base pay per hour or per dance set from the bar.
At the end of the night, the dancers and hostess are expected to tip out the kitchen mama and bartenders for supporting them.
As you can tell from my reports, I'm mostly into the massage therapist scene, but I'm wondering how does the money work for a KBG? So, LVB buys a $40 neko. Does the bg get half of that from the bar right then, or at the end of the night? Or is it more than half? Less than half? Or do they just buy a normal drink and pocket the difference? Do they have quotas from the bar? Enquiring minds want to know. Please don't answer if you think the info might be damaging. But it's pretty clear how it works in the MT scene (1/2 house + tip) , and I wondered how it works on the kbg side. Sorry to be such a newb, but forewarned is forearmed.
GherkinOne of the bartenders at Butterflys mentioned that it depends on the drinks. So, the BGs don't get the same cut from every $20 drink. I should have jotted it down. She was going down a list of drinks breaking it down on the percentage the BGs get from the drink. I don't focus much on how much a BG is getting from the $20 drink because regardless, I'm still coughing up and spending the $20 anyway. As for the $40 drink, not sure. All I know is it's fricken crazy to buy a single drink at that rate. I did buy $40 drinks myself but I was all horny / hard at the booth that I couldn't stop. Man, its hard (pun intended) when you're already erect from the BG. There will be guys who buy it especially when he has that chance / time with that particular BG. Plus, they don't want to show that he's cheap and can't afford her. The BGs have nothing to lose but, more to gain by pulling the $40 drinks on you.
Thanks guys, that clears it up. Its a bummer to learn that there are so many LVBs out there that the girls don't have to provide much of anything at all in order to earn their day's money target. This thread has been very helpful at preparing me to give it a try. Also helpful in understanding why a KBG is different from an AMP girl or a MT. Thanks.
Gherkin
What does "1/2 house + tip" actually mean?
For the girls I sit with at Kalihi kbgs, you buy the $20 neko, and the girl pays $5 for it. Don't know what the percentage is if you buy a bottle for the room, but couple times the kbg I was with hinted that she made a better percentage if we fucked for 10 drinks rather than 1 bottle.Yeah like Thumperforq said, it varies, but many times the girl only gets half when a bottle is involved, unlike the 75% she would have gotten for $20 drinks. Your example plus the frequency with which trays of shots are brought to the room and how quickly they can be consumed remind me of the kind of action I used to see at EG :).
For soju the bar usually takes $50. Girl gets the rest regardless of price. The more she charges you the more she makes. If she says $120 she gets $70 if she says $150 she gets $100 if she says $200 she gets $150. She just gives the bar the bottle fee they don't know how much she is charging.
Same thing with a $40 drink. She gives bar $5 and pockets the rest.
For champagne I think the bar gets $125 girl $175.
Thumperforq
09-26-11, 15:31
For soju the bar usually takes $50. Girl gets the rest regardless of price. The more she charges you the more she makes. If she says $120 she gets $70 if she says $150 she gets $100 if she says $200 she gets $150. She just gives the bar the bottle fee they don't know how much she is charging.
Same thing with a $40 drink. She gives bar $5 and pockets the rest.
For champagne I think the bar gets $125 girl $175.For the $40 drinks, it depends on the bar. At the VBs, they record it as 2 drinks, so the girl gives the bar $10 and she keeps $30 (or $20/$20 if on CC).
No forget RWV this Thursday, Stan Sheriff. 7P, as a good diversion from KBs and the KBGs. No good visit Fantasy Nightmare exclusively. Besides, the arena is filled with wahines of all ages, shapes, and sizes; supports the local vendors, too. There's a lot of interest in the team, players, and miscellaneous so get out there and give it a shot instead of the SOS bar atmosphere. Still can go drink more later but I usually call it a good night. C U there and the view for all kine wahines is awesome.
So what are the mongers reactions to the trend in $40 nekohana? Myself, I've only been whacked by that stick once. Chatted up a Thai girl in a KB who suggested a $40 drink. I declined as the services that appeared to be forthcoming did not seem commensurate with the cost.
Hopefully the enlightened mongers will oppose this but I'm afraid LVBs will make things hard.
.but couple times the kbg I was with hinted that she made a better percentage if we fucked for 10 drinks rather than 1 bottle.I get rid of pushy KBGs by offering a price for poking them outside of the bar; they have this mental problem about being treated as a prostitute and will withdraw; my offer is discreet and professional as most KBGs are opportunists. The ones that get testy need to be watched carefully as they usually want revenge for being "insulted" and will try to punish you in their own way; usually speaking sarcastically and aiming for your wallet. The truth hurts even though KBGs are heartless.
There are also the actual "home champagne" KBGs who will accept the offer, price, and intent. One KBG's insult is another KBG's opportunity. The game ones often come on strong in a quiet manner; waste time ones usually all noise and tease. Present opportunity and see what happens.
So what are the mongers reactions to the trend in $40 nekohana? Myself, I've only been whacked by that stick once. Chatted up a Thai girl in a KB who suggested a $40 drink. I declined as the services that appeared to be forthcoming did not seem commensurate with the cost.
Hopefully the enlightened mongers will oppose this but I'm afraid LVBs will make things hard.Too bad more guys out there won't put BGs in their place if they pull a $40 drink. Put the BGs on the spot.
BG: "Hunnee, will you buy me a special drink?"
Guy: "Special drink? What's that?
BG: "Yes. Special drink is $40"
Guy: "$40 for one drink? What makes it special though? Are you going to instantly get drunk, start singing, dancing, start stripping down, give me a BJ and then we do it FS in the booth with everyone watching $40 drink?
BG: *silent* "Hunee, I come back, mama needs me"
Guy: "That's what I thought. Yah go. Go and sit with the LVBs who will buy those $40 drinks.
It's hard yah when they smile and pout for a drink?
LVB: "Aww. She's so cute when she does that. Ok. You can get your drink"
I get rid of pushy KBGs by offering a price for poking them outside of the bar; they have this mental problem about being treated as a prostitute and will withdraw; my offer is discreet and professional as most KBGs are opportunists. The ones that get testy need to be watched carefully as they usually want revenge for being "insulted" and will try to punish you in their own way; usually speaking sarcastically and aiming for your wallet. The truth hurts even though KBGs are heartless.
There are also the actual "home champagne" KBGs who will accept the offer, price, and intent. One KBG's insult is another KBG's opportunity. The game ones often come on strong in a quiet manner; waste time ones usually all noise and tease. Present opportunity and see what happens.Thanks Kapakahi! I like this technique and will apply to my "bad boy" warnings I give the KBG's. Actually had one offer the "home champagne" years ago but forgot all about it."Yeobo, you like go room?" "Sure, you're room for some home champagne" "Chincha?" "Chinchachacha Chagiya" (sorry for any spelling errors but I think you get the idea)
Ss
Kapakahi. I use the same technique. Works like a charm!
I get rid of pushy KBGs by offering a price for poking them outside of the bar; they have this mental problem about being treated as a prostitute and will withdraw; my offer is discreet and professional as most KBGs are opportunists. The ones that get testy need to be watched carefully as they usually want revenge for being "insulted" and will try to punish you in their own way; usually speaking sarcastically and aiming for your wallet. The truth hurts even though KBGs are heartless.
There are also the actual "home champagne" KBGs who will accept the offer, price, and intent. One KBG's insult is another KBG's opportunity. The game ones often come on strong in a quiet manner; waste time ones usually all noise and tease. Present opportunity and see what happens.
"Sure, you're room for some home champagne" "Chincha?" "Chinchachacha Chagiya" (sorry for any spelling errors but I think you get the idea)SsMany if these KBG types are starved for some new action; something exciting. At times I'll put the seed in their head about something that gets them thinking and oozing. Of course, the timing and personal connection has to be right but basically they want to experience comfort and excitement without fear. Anyway, don't rush it and remember that it all begins in the mind; excite the shat out their minds and the body will follow.
Whenever the going gets tough, the "tough" get married. Many LVBs are DUI (Drinking Under The Influence) of KBGs who have put tough guidelines on their lives. Have heard various KBGs ask some DUI LVBs to consider marrying them; when they ask, you know the goings are getting tougher.
Can you imagine having a KBG wife who tries to control every facet of your life (as well as a dozen other LVBs)? They probably doing that right now. Anyway, have a nice married life and don't forget to close the deal.
Many if these KBG types are starved for some new action; something exciting. At times I'll put the seed in their head about something that gets them thinking and oozing. Of course, the timing and personal connection has to be right but basically they want to experience comfort and excitement without fear. Anyway, don't rush it and remember that it all begins in the mind; excite the shat out their minds and the body will follow.True that! I'm thinking its just a another way to let me have a beer in peace. Course if she bites, well then, I'll take a closer look and determine if its worth it. KB's for me many times are just a way to kill an evening. If I don't "hook-up" with a KBG well no loss cause I'm not their loverboy, I'm just there to have a few beers and catch some eye-candy. It is indeed a rare night that some KBG will actually want to go further with me so I don't expect it and I don't have the cash or patience for a lot of their bs. Now if I'm really in the mood, I go for the sure thing at various AMPs. Not proclaiming any great intelligence here, just a lot of been there, done that experience. Took awhile to drive it into the ole brain, but, for the most part, KBGs are just there to get your money period. I hedge only because once in a great while you'll hit one that just wants to get laid that night."Do you have a girlfriend?" love that line. Just another strategic move on the KBGs part to imply she wants to be your girlfriend. I always answer "No I don't have a girlfriend, I've got girlfriendS, at least one in every bar in this town". I wonder how many guys have been asked that question which results in the "get chance" signals coming from jr. Again, been there done that and will probably do it again, just not as often as I used to. Slow learner, but I do like adding new lines so thanks Mr. K.
Ss
SphereWalker
09-30-11, 01:52
From a haole from mainland that has been here for almost a year this forum has brought me much amusement and information this last week. I mostly end up going to KB bars cause I work on the road and don't have time for any kind of making a connection plus of course am a horny bastard =D but need my mind stimulated so don't hit up the AMP's (not to say I haven't in the past). I have to admit when I first got here the KB's blew my mind cause of cost and the difference in game from all the strip bars and things I am used to from mainland and pureto rico. Only request I have is a detention of terms cause I asked some local friends what neko and neon mean they don't even know. I am pretty sure from reading the convo's I know but not completely. But praise to you guys keep posting I'll keep reading cause this is some pretty funny stuff informative and kind of a insight in human nature in general
Mahalo,
Just some geting old haole horny bastard from Ohio.
From a haole from mainland that has been here for almost a year this forum has brought me much amusement and information this last week. I mostly end up going to KB bars cause I work on the road and don't have time for any kind of making a connection plus of course am a horny bastard =D but need my mind stimulated so don't hit up the AMP's (not to say I haven't in the past). I have to admit when I first got here the KB's blew my mind cause of cost and the difference in game from all the strip bars and things I am used to from mainland and pureto rico. Only request I have is a detention of terms cause I asked some local friends what neko and neon mean they don't even know. I am pretty sure from reading the convo's I know but not completely. But praise to you guys keep posting I'll keep reading cause this is some pretty funny stuff informative and kind of a insight in human nature in general
Mahalo,
Just some geting old haole horny bastard from Ohio.No. Thank you man for posting. My eyes literally lit up when I saw an unfamiliar name post in this thread.
SphereWalker
09-30-11, 03:47
No. Thank you man for posting. My eyes literally lit up when I saw an unfamiliar name post in this thread.Nice to be welcomed LOL
So what are the mongers reactions to the trend in $40 nekohana? Myself, I've only been whacked by that stick once. Chatted up a Thai girl in a KB who suggested a $40 drink. I declined as the services that appeared to be forthcoming did not seem commensurate with the cost.
Hopefully the enlightened mongers will oppose this but I'm afraid LVBs will make things hard.Also do not forget most $40 nekos have green tea or Coors light pored in them. I have seen this happen at 3 different bars, most recently Splash.
Fisherman808
09-30-11, 10:39
On Maui they try to push the $ 40 nekos, we tell them $ 20 or nothing. None has turned it down yet.
Here bars are so slow that they should not even try it. Never had any BGs ask me for a $ 40 here.
Our group is usually out twice a week. 2 with over 30 yrs in KBs I am newbie only 15 yrs.
Champagne is rare now, soju ($120 / bottle) in room. Mama will usually buy a bottle for us or send in some food.
We tell waiter to open bottle in room, no fake stuff.
Times are hard so we actually have a better bargaining position.
We rarely go to the rooms now.
Also do not forget most $40 nekos have green tea or Coors light pored in them. I have seen this happen at 3 different bars, most recently Splash.KBGs always trying to trick, cheat, lie, steal, whatever kine shat style; always one ulterior motive. Halloweenie must be the only day they can appear to be normal. Personal boycott of KBs this Sat. ; going to Wahine Vball instead to support local biz.
SphereWalker
09-30-11, 11:12
On Maui they try to push the $ 40 nekos, we tell them $ 20 or nothing. None has turned it down yet.
Here bars are so slow that they should not even try it. Never had any BGs ask me for a $ 40 here.
Our group is usually out twice a week. 2 with over 30 yrs in KBs I am newbie only 15 yrs.
Champagne is rare now, soju ($120 / bottle) in room. Mama will usually buy a bottle for us or send in some food.
We tell waiter to open bottle in room, no fake stuff.
Times are hard so we actually have a better bargaining position.
We rarely go to the rooms now.I was wondering about it cause was over there recently for work what the prices are and how dead it normally is?
No. Thank you man for posting. My eyes literally lit up when I saw an unfamiliar name post in this thread.For the mainland guy. Nekohana is the ladys drink. Neon means:
Not.
Even.
One.
Neko or Nekohana.
Hence the word NEON is formed. There is a word for this and it is anagram or something like that. Basically an abbreviation. Like SNAFU or FUBAR. You got it now Being neon means you are not in the mood to POP for a drink.
SphereWalker
10-01-11, 01:37
For the mainland guy. Nekohana is the ladys drink. Neon means:
Not.
Even.
One.
Neko or Nekohana.
Hence the word NEON is formed. There is a word for this and it is anagram or something like that. Basically an abbreviation. Like SNAFU or FUBAR. You got it now Being neon means you are not in the mood to POP for a drink.Just is nice to know exact meaning
For the mainland guy. Nekohana is the ladys drink. Neon means:
Not.
Even.
One.
Neko or Nekohana.
Hence the word NEON is formed. There is a word for this and it is anagram or something like that. Basically an abbreviation. Like SNAFU or FUBAR. You got it now Being neon means you are not in the mood to POP for a drink.Aww. Damn I was going to play a joke on Spherewalker. Hehe.
What if most of us locals talk choke ass pidgin on dis forum? Pau! Going confuse you mainland guys big time. LOL.
Warriors FB and Wahine VB today at the same start time (1P). Still going boycott KBs today for our local vendors. For the Lower 48 guy, suggest you start with any KB (they all the same) and sit on the counter to discreetly observe the action, if any. No try seem too interested and be cool; no talk too much and spend money like one LVB. Practice at different places until you become acclimated; suggest you park your vehicle somewhere by the Kapiolani / Sheridan / Makaloa / Keeaumoku areas and walk to the various bars within. Go to several (3-5) bars each visit and have a couple; no tip too much (peanuts+2 beers=$2 [3 if they smile] tip) no matter what. A solid week of LRPs (long-range patrols) should do it; no go Kalihi yet. Report and NEON.
Aww. Damn I was going to play a joke on Spherewalker. Hehe.
What if most of us locals talk choke ass pidgin on dis forum? Pau! Going confuse you mainland guys big time. LOL.. And you should point out to the noob that NEON is a term unique to this forum. Nekohana is a local term derived from the Korean that basically means "one for me".
But praise to you guys keep posting I'll keep reading cause this is some pretty funny stuff informative and kind of a insight in human nature in general
Mahalo,
Just some geting old haole horny bastard from Ohio.Yeah. Frankly, a BG is not there working at the bar to shed light / wisdom on someone's personal situation. They may say things to flatter you or make you feel good but, that's it. KBGs can only temporarily (Note: Temporarily) make you feel good when you want to feel that mushy / intimate / personal lovey dovey feeling with a female. Or, for others, to get their sexual arousement going on. That's mainly it. A female can make a man feel good because she brings out the soft / mushy feeling inside of a man. It can sooth a man's mental / emotional mood when he's bothered and can then get him sexually aroused. You know how most guys are. Talk big, boast, show-off and be macho with a group of guys but then, get all soft, timid and mushy in the presence of a female. Funny when you see a guy be all big and boastful but then get soft and wishy washy with a chick. Most hardcore LVBs typically are the soft un masculine type men. Right girls?
BGs: "As much as I hate to say this but, I have to agree. That's why, we got them wrapped around our fingers because we females can push them around and control them. Even when we get out of line, they'll just listen and never argue back. They lack the self confidence to complain or make a say on something. But, they can also get moody like a little child who can't get the toy that he wants. Masculine guys on the other hand, don't really submit and are not controlled that easily when a female presses on them. They put their foot down and don't give a shit. It's not a big deal to them because they value themselves over a woman. However, they still know how to treat a lady with respect. That's what keeps us on our toes because we try to get the control but, we don't always get it. LVBs? No brainer, we always get what we want from them. Right guys? LOL"
Man, it must have been exceptionally slow for the KBs lately. Returning from a one (1) week boycott of the KBs in favor of Wahine Vball and patronizing local bars, I was greeted enthusiastically by KBGs and customers alike. The only ones who didn't greet were the LVBs; they're tantaran anyway; players in their own minds (suckers who lessons on playing).
Each side was very eager to share entertaining stories of bar happenings: volatility between customers; between KBGs; customers and KBGs; anykine. Basically, I think the volatile ones are cracking-up already due to their already undisciplined nature and lack of respect for others (as well as themselves) ; it also doesn't help that these types tend to drink more than the majority, IMO (15-20 bottles of beer daily, no rest). KBGs also resorting to more "tricks"; their "money for nothing; easy money" methods as reported. Eh, you KBGs thieves going down soon, whether you like it or not, because LVBs no can sustain spending forever and you guys getting older by the second.
Help our local businesses. We did enough for these invaders and invasive species already.
From a haole from mainland that has been here for almost a year this forum has brought me much amusement and information this last week. I mostly end up going to KB bars cause I work on the road and don't have time for any kind of making a connection plus of course am a horny bastard =D but need my mind stimulated so don't hit up the AMP's (not to say I haven't in the past). I have to admit when I first got here the KB's blew my mind cause of cost and the difference in game from all the strip bars and things I am used to from mainland and pureto rico. Only request I have is a detention of terms cause I asked some local friends what neko and neon mean they don't even know. I am pretty sure from reading the convo's I know but not completely. But praise to you guys keep posting I'll keep reading cause this is some pretty funny stuff informative and kind of a insight in human nature in general
Mahalo,
Just some geting old haole horny bastard from Ohio.Or you can "kick up a notch" and contribute.
V Rider
Yeah. Frankly, a BG is not there working at the bar to shed light / wisdom on someone's personal situation. They may say things to flatter you or make you feel good but, that's it. KBGs can only temporarily (Note: Temporarily) make you feel good when you want to feel that mushy / intimate / personal lovey dovey feeling with a female. Or, for others, to get their sexual arousement going on. That's mainly it. A female can make a man feel good because she brings out the soft / mushy feeling inside of a man. It can sooth a man's mental / emotional mood when he's bothered and can then get him sexually aroused. You know how most guys are. Talk big, boast, show-off and be macho with a group of guys but then, get all soft, timid and mushy in the presence of a female. Funny when you see a guy be all big and boastful but then get soft and wishy washy with a chick. Most hardcore LVBs typically are the soft un masculine type men. Right girls?
BGs: "As much as I hate to say this but, I have to agree. That's why, we got them wrapped around our fingers because we females can push them around and control them. Even when we get out of line, they'll just listen and never argue back. They lack the self confidence to complain or make a say on something. But, they can also get moody like a little child who can't get the toy that he wants. Masculine guys on the other hand, don't really submit and are not controlled that easily when a female presses on them. They put their foot down and don't give a shit. It's not a big deal to them because they value themselves over a woman. However, they still know how to treat a lady with respect. That's what keeps us on our toes because we try to get the control but, we don't always get it. LVBs? No brainer, we always get what we want from them. Right guys? LOL"Uki, you have contributed a lot more than me, and probable have a lot more experience, but I see a surprising growing trend, at least in the local bar scene like micheles or Reno to name a few. I see a lot more MMA looking tattooed LVB who get pissed at other guys even buying there girls drinks. The funny thing too is a lot of times they do not go for the hottest one. Like I know I guy who went out with the fattest one there and they are now bf / gf. I was surprised as he is a hell of a lot younger and better looking then me but to me he went after the ugliest one out there that I after a 12 pack I would not consider as one of the reasons is she is the same weight class as him but he is all muscle. Maybe love is blind after all. This is just my observation. Guys that I think KBGs like are Cocky, and funny at the same time, no drama types that do not get pushed over by guys or girls. If they buy a girl a drink it is just 1 the whole night max if at all. Usually the guy gets all his drinks free. This is just my own 2 cents.
Fisherman808
10-05-11, 05:11
I was wondering about it cause was over there recently for work what the prices are and how dead it normally is?Maui for the most part second stringers at best. Sandy's by itself apart from the other KBs. They get crowded but mostly house customers. Girls not making nekos. Most of the girls wouldn't even make it in Kalihi bars. Tell them you from Honolulu and they will kind of back off. Most Honolulu guys do not put up with their BS. I am only there rarely for work and most days come back the same afternoon. Plus when I bust out some Korean on them they really take a step back. Learned quite a bit of Korean after 15 yrs in the bars here and one month in Korea (Chung Muro). I am rambling.
The next time you go to any of the Maui bars, tell them you are from Honolulu, then mention the names of some of the bars here. They will kind of back off then. Offer $20 drink and tell them chon chonhe mashoo (sp)? Drink slowly.
The path of LVB's descent into hell with KBG's can be summed up in three categories of popular songs. The first describes LVB's undeniable, undying love of KBG. The second is that once the money has run out, she discards him and the third is LVB declaring his undeniable, undying love of KBG. Changes to original lyrics are in upper case.
1. Lady; L. Ritchie.
Lady, I'm your knight in shining armor and I love you.
You have made me what I am and MY MONEY IS yours.
My love, there's so many DOLLARS I want SPEND ON YOU to say I love you.
Let me hold you in my arms forever more.
You have gone and made me such a fool AGAIN AND AGAIN.
I'm so lost in your love.
And oh, we belong together.
Won't you believe in my song?
Lady, for so many years I thought I'the never find you.
You have come into my life and made me whole.
Forever let me PAY to see you each and every EVENING.
Let me hear you whisper softly in my ear.
In my eyes I see no one else but you.
There's no other love like our love.
And yes, oh yes, I'll always want you near me.
I've waited for you for so long WHILE YOU WERE TABLE HOPPING.
Lady, your love's the only love I need.
And beside me is where I want you to be.
'cause, my love, there's somethin' I want you to know.
You're the love of my life, you're my lady.
2. Woman, Woman; G. Puckett.
Woman oh woman.
Have you got cheating on your mind, on your mind.
Something's wrong between us.
That your laugher cannot hide.
And you're afraid to let your eyes meet mine.
And lately when I CANNOT BUY YOU NEKO, I know you're not satisfied.
Woman oh woman.
Have you got cheating on your mind, on your mind.
I've seen the way men look at you.
When they think I don't see.
And it hurts to have them think that you're that kind.
But it's knowing that you're JACKIN them OFF.
That's really killing me.
Woman oh woman.
Have you got cheating on your mind, on your mind.
A woman wears a certain look.
When she is on the move FOR ANOTHER LVB.
And a man can always tell what's on her mind.
I hate to have to say it.
But that look's all over you.
Woman oh woman.
Have you got cheating on your mind.
Oh woman oh woman.
Have you got cheating on your mind.
3. Right Here Waiting; R. Marx (no need to modify, original says it all).
Oceans apart day after day.
And I slowly go insane.
I hear your voice on the line.
But it doesn't stop the pain.
If I see you next to never.
How can we say forever.
Wherever you go.
Whatever you do.
I will be right here waiting for you.
Whatever it takes.
Or how my heart breaks.
I will be right here waiting for you.
I took for granted, all the times.
That I though would last somehow.
I hear the laughter, I taste the tears.
But I can't get near you now.
Oh, can't you see it baby.
You've got me goin' crazy.
Wherever you go.
Whatever you do.
I will be right here waiting for you.
Whatever it takes.
Or how my heart breaks.
I will be right here waiting for you.
I wonder how we can survive.
This romance.
But in the end if I'm with you.
I'll take the chance.
Oh, can't you see it baby.
You've got me goin' crazy.
Wherever you go.
Whatever you do.
I will be right here waiting for you.
Whatever it takes.
Or how my heart breaks.
I will be right here waiting for you.
KBG song, only one:
Another One Bites the Dust; F. Mercury.
Saw the boss in the KB / VB, paychecks late (me included). No names / places / faces. What would you do?
Saw the boss in the KB / VB, paychecks late (me included). No names / places / faces. What would you do?Here is some info. Hopefully your wages are not more than 7 days late:
http://hawaii.gov/labor/wsd/pdf/brochures/payment_of_wages_law_poster.pdf
If for some reason you need to go there, that building is on the corner of Punchbowl and Halekauwila streets; the Federal building is on the makai adjacent corner.
Talents abound. Pursuer: musical & lyrical; Uki: narrative; Oldee: organizational; SS, HL, HM: recon, intel, surveillance; Others: contributors, info, experience, reliable.
Recently spoke to an LVB who told me that the KBs are for chasing he KBGs. As for myself the KBs have other priorities: drink, eat, have fun, & talk story (KBGs are low on the list unless they have something worth pursuing; they have to show their wares, not me asking for the show). Anyway, to avoid an argument, the mentality of this particular LVB is focused on the KBG and nothing else; no escape plan or route; suicide mission. Without going into the usual comments about LVBs this one is downtrodden, frustrated, and yet holds the KBGs as the Golden Eggs. Shat, all they worth and what they doing to him is scrambled farken eggs.
Stoner, my guess is the joint is either Buttfly or Bizness; leaning toward Bfly due to TC being an ass. Seek compensation via
A written complaint to the following: Honolulu Liquor Commission, State & Federal Wage Standards Divisions (Unpaid Wages. 586-8777). Ask for guidance from the state number provided. Good luck. They probably just going skip town, anyway; but catch them quick so legals can be initiated such as liens & complaints.
Here is some info. Hopefully your wages are not more than 7 days late:
http://hawaii.gov/labor/wsd/pdf/brochures/payment_of_wages_law_poster.pdf
If for some reason you need to go there, that building is on the corner of Punchbowl and Halekauwila streets; the Federal building is on the makai adjacent corner. Thanks for the info HM. I do some part-time consulting for a mom-and-pops type store, unless things got desperate, I wouldn't want to go there. If I don't get my check by Fri. I guess I would have to at least ask. They have been good to me these past years.
The song cracked me up, LOL. Thanks Pursuer. Alot of good advice lately so don't think anyone will miss my postings, hehe. Been busy and still busy so aint got much to report except bars been SUPER SLOW. Anyhow, seen that got some new guys and my 2cents is to go with someone who knows about KBs. If you can't, then don't go or read the forums from way back. Just say NO to KBG drinks when in doubt is the general rule, in other words, NEON. However, there is always Aloha KB Tours, LOL.
Anyhow, seen that got some new guys and my 2cents is to go with someone who knows about KBs. If you can't, then don't go or read the forums from way back. Just say NO to KBG drinks when in doubt is the general rule, in other words, NEON. However, there is always Aloha KB Tours, LOL.Me as well as all the guys I know who were new to the KBs, have never gone to a KB by themselves. No way I would go by myself knowing that I'm completely new. There's new guys we want to bring to the bars but, they don't like. Even though we all in a group. They're bothered by the fact of spending money. Some guys just don't care for it. They don't see a point on having to spend money, just to have someone sit down and talk. Some of them say: "Why, if I buy a LD, she going give me BJ? I going suck her tits?" LOL.
Me as well as all the guys I know who were new to the KBs, have never gone to a KB by themselves. No way I would go by myself knowing that I'm completely new. There's new guys we want to bring to the bars but, they don't like. Even though we all in a group. They're bothered by the fact of spending money. Some guys just don't care for it. They don't see a point on having to spend money, just to have someone sit down and talk. Some of them say: "Why, if I buy a LD, she going give me BJ? I going suck her tits?" LOL.It is best to go with someone that is used to the KB experience. When I was a rookie, I went to the bar by myself and bought the girl drinks. $20 wasn't bad so I didn't mind. Then one time she brought a bottle of beer and filled her glass and I gave her $20, and another $20 when she filled it again. In retrospect, I laugh at my stupidity, but I do hope others learn from our mistakes.
Some of them say: "Why, if I buy a LD, she going give me BJ? I going suck her tits?" LOL.There is a saying: "You can unlock any door if you only have the key." Even if it is not on the first visit, potentially the answer to both questions is 'Yes', without having to buy big-bucks-bottles in the room.
It is best to go with someone that is used to the KB experience. When I was a rookie, I went to the bar by myself and bought the girl drinks. $20 wasn't bad so I didn't mind. Then one time she brought a bottle of beer and filled her glass and I gave her $20, and another $20 when she filled it again. In retrospect, I laugh at my stupidity, but I do hope others learn from our mistakes.Going KB by yourself when you're a complete noob is like going to a foreign country by yourself and you know nothing about the country. You're clueless and haven't studied the map on cities, tourist spots, places to avoid, culture. The chances of you being taken advantage of, scammed or mugged is higher. If you're completely clueless on a KB, it will be the same. Taxi driver overcharges you on the taxi rate, the foreigners will just pay it because to the foreigners, it doesn't seem like a lot but, it is when that's not the rate the taxis normally charge. Same with the KB. If you don't know the drink prices, BGs are going to pull a $40 drink on you if they know / feel you're a new customer. But, even if you're not new, they'll do that if they know you want the BGs company. Most guys wouldn't mind if they want a particular BG to sit with them.
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