Korean Bar Tactics, discussions, about KBG's

[Realdeal808]

Young man I hope you are busy balling, but then again, you wouldn't be reading this blog if you were. I have only been back a few months since taking a vacation from the kb's but what the. Well you are getting re-re treads unless the wahine you trying for is on the 3 or 6 month plan then she maybe fairly new to the bar scene but most are seasoned veterans e. G. ; went fishing at International met bartender Torii for middle age woman nothing to complain fine looking lady we kind of hit it off but come to find out she already has live in. I am not looking for drama especially from her other half so for me at least was inexpensive fishing trip. Most have bar boyfriends or SO so be aware.

Also respect your elders, Oldee has been around the block and can save you some bucks, if you just listen, you want to get balled go to a massage parlor. If he is feeling generous maybe you can PM him and have him take you on a KB tour sounds like you need it. He has helped me by suggesting two possible possibilities near home for me the first is nice but was making a friend of mine go thru rings for her not ready to take his place the second he referred is married both nice ladies (sorry Oldee) but this man is a wealth of information so don't knock him he CAN save you a lot of money! If you willing to listen. Right now in laborers term it's like the apprentice trying to tell the journeyman with years of experence what to do. And yes his methods do work because he know who is available for play and who is not. You want failsafe strategy got to a AMP! The fun is in the hunt.First, let me say that I do not falsely brag about stuff. Got better things to do. I guess I should consider it a compliment that some find things that I say hard to believe. For example, I had a three hour f**k session yesterday with my kbg / fwb that was awesome. That's the truth whether people choose to believe or not.

Second, respect is a two way street. As I've said, I respect others until they give me a reason not to. Hence, I respect your opinion and you becuz you seem like a reasonable guy and have never dissed me or called my statements bs. I will continue to respect you and hopefully we continue our mutual respect. But when members choose to disrespect others without knowing facts, then that's just wrong IMO.

[TrueTemper]

First, let me say that I do not falsely brag about stuff. Got better things to do. I guess I should consider it a compliment that some find things that I say hard to believe. For example, I had a three hour f**k session yesterday with my kbg / fwb that was awesome. That's the truth whether people choose to believe or not.

Second, respect is a two way street. As I've said, I respect others until they give me a reason not to. Hence, I respect your opinion and you becuz you seem like a reasonable guy and have never dissed me or called my statements bs. I will continue to respect you and hopefully we continue our mutual respect. But when members choose to disrespect others without knowing facts, then that's just wrong IMO.It's always good to challenge the GM (grand masters) it keeps them on their toes. You'll be surprise of how much they know by how you write.

You must have Brad Pitts looks and Casanova charm and the KBG's know you are a playboy they figure guys out in seconds it's there job.

I admit I am a LVB and fall for their seduction. Oops I going off tangent again!!

[Realdeal808]

It's always good to challenge the GM (grand masters) it keeps them on their toes. You'll be surprise of how much they know by how you write.

You must have Brad Pitts looks and Casanova charm and the KBG's know you are a playboy they figure guys out in seconds it's there job.

I admit I am a LVB and fall for their seduction. Oops I going off tangent again!!Nah, I'm a dead ringer for Ken Jeong (a non-Korean one) and act like him too so I'm told. LOL.

[John Ross]

Nah, I'm a dead ringer for Ken Jeong (a non-Korean one) and act like him too so I'm told. LOL.That means you catch them with your humour. Women love guys that make them laugh. I look like an older, out of shape Dean Cain.

[Realdeal808]

That means you catch them with your humour. Women love guys that make them laugh. I look like an older, out of shape Dean Cain.Winner winner chicken dinner!

[Getting Old]

First, let me say that I do not falsely brag about stuff. Got better things to do. I guess I should consider it a compliment that some find things that I say hard to believe. For example, I had a three hour f**k session yesterday with my kbg / fwb that was awesome. That's the truth whether people choose to believe or not.

Second, respect is a two way street. As I've said, I respect others until they give me a reason not to. Hence, I respect your opinion and you becuz you seem like a reasonable guy and have never dissed me or called my statements bs. I will continue to respect you and hopefully we continue our mutual respect. But when members choose to disrespect others without knowing facts, then that's just wrong IMO.AS you said we are all entitled to our opinions, I respect that, but you are unproven to me and Oldee is a proven commodity. I do envy you that you can still do a 3 hour session as when you get older once the bullet is shot really hard at times to reload. Unless you get the magic bullet in the form of a shot, amazing how long (30 m,1 hr,11/2 hr,2 hr+) they can make jr stand to attention but it does cost some bucks. Things we do for a shrew.

Time will tell so I will reserve my opinion for now but you reminded me of another guy that used to post (admin removed him from coming into my posted report que pretty neat trick they didn't want to ban me so now I don't get posts from the. 2. Your style and questioning oldee reminds me of him. But as you say I will reserve judgment for now.

Keep up the good work because in time going be you younger guys blog. The one thing since been back is all the barbacks or whatever are men? I go to a bar I expect to see a wahine serving me my drink not some guy. Can't see buying a guy a drink although I do leave a generous tip for the person if he takes care. Times have changed, even the mama at International agreed last time was there "the girls are smarter now very intelligent" I do agree the wahines sized me up when walked in there guess too old and ugly. Since your personality works for you use it but these women all want money that what drives them and motivates them not your Ken Jeong looks that my young friend fades fast, but from what I have read and you can correct me if I am mistaken you love them, f. Them and then leave them just like they do to guys so all the more power to you. I guess long term relationships are dead. . guess that's the way it should be with a kbg. I apologize for getting off track well guess better go out and pay my debts boy UH is junk!

[Oppa808]

Just noticed the subtle change in title of this thread. Nice one Oldee!

[Uki Eater]

Just noticed the subtle change in title of this thread. Nice one Oldee!Oldee may be moderator of this thread but, he can't rename the title of the thread.

[John Ross]

AS you said we are all entitled to our opinions, I respect that, but you are unproven to me and Oldee is a proven commodity. I do envy you that you can still do a 3 hour session as when you get older once the bullet is shot really hard at times to reload. Unless you get the magic bullet in the form of a shot, amazing how long (30 m,1 hr,11/2 hr,2 hr+) they can make jr stand to attention but it does cost some bucks. Things we do for a shrew.
Roger that! In my younger days, I could reload in 10 minutes. Nowdays, it is one and done. Some of our providers will try to revive him and in the end, he is still asleep. Enjoy your youth.

The new gen of KBGs are very different from the previous gens, as they are more princessy and want us to cater to them. This started with the new Visa rules. Since the change, we have the 90 day wonders, and they want to make as much money as they can in the 90 days and head back home. The KBGs of the past came here to get away from their problems in Korea. Most needed money to pay off debts or help their families, but wanted to live here. The new KBGs see this as a vacation where they make lots of money to buy things when they get back home.

[Hornysamowen]

AS you said we are all entitled to our opinions, I respect that, but you are unproven to me and Oldee is a proven commodity. I do envy you that you can still do a 3 hour session as when you get older once the bullet is shot really hard at times to reload. Unless you get the magic bullet in the form of a shot, amazing how long (30 m,1 hr,11/2 hr,2 hr+) they can make jr stand to attention but it does cost some bucks. Things we do for a shrew.

Time will tell so I will reserve my opinion for now but you reminded me of another guy that used to post (admin removed him from coming into my posted report que pretty neat trick they didn't want to ban me so now I don't get posts from the. 2. Your style and questioning oldee reminds me of him. But as you say I will reserve judgment for now.

Keep up the good work because in time going be you younger guys blog. The one thing since been back is all the barbacks or whatever are men? I go to a bar I expect to see a wahine serving me my drink not some guy. Can't see buying a guy a drink although I do leave a generous tip for the person if he takes care. Times have changed, even the mama at International agreed last time was there "the girls are smarter now very intelligent" I do agree the wahines sized me up when walked in there guess too old and ugly. Since your personality works for you use it but these women all want money that what drives them and motivates them not your Ken Jeong looks that my young friend fades fast, but from what I have read and you can correct me if I am mistaken you love them, f. Them and then leave them just like they do to guys so all the more power to you. I guess long term relationships are dead. . guess that's the way it should be with a kbg. I apologize for getting off track well guess better go out and pay my debts boy UH is junk!Whats the magic shot you are refering to that's gets you hard for a long time and how much does it cost, and where can I get some?

[Oldee]

Thanks for your posts which are always good reminders. Fortunately, most forum KB readers both lurkers and posters are akamai. They can easily discern BS when they read it like you. I would guess most KB forum guys have many years KB experience whether new to the forum or not based on meeting many just like you were a new forum guy but old timer KB wise. Therefore, no need get huhu over nothing bro. Sometimes, the motives of that type posters are oppposite of what they first state and want to just rile up and bait readers into arguments. In regards to respect, IHMO, respect is EARNED as far as credibility for usasg. We are required to respect other forum members according to the rules which I feel you and most of us have done. However, that does not mean we need to blindly accept what WE beileve is obvious BS from 0 KB report posters DEMANDING respect offering no way to prove themselves other that just believe me. I can be respectful to what I feel is a BSer by doing them the favor of teaching them that bullshitting is wrong and stupid. I don't have to accept lies of someone to be respectful to them, especially to a Sarah Palin type answerer (I read all the intellectual magazines and jounals but won't name any) not wanting to get pinned down with the truth. I honestly feel I'm respectful doing them a favor so they can grow as a person.

Eh, lets go drink this week sometime.

[Getting Old]

Thanks for your posts which are always good reminders. Fortunately, most forum KB readers both lurkers and posters are akamai. They can easily discern BS when they read it like you. I would guess most KB forum guys have many years KB experience whether new to the forum or not based on meeting many just like you were a new forum guy but old timer KB wise. Therefore, no need get huhu over nothing bro. Sometimes, the motives of that type posters are oppposite of what they first state and want to just rile up and bait readers into arguments. In regards to respect, IHMO, respect is EARNED as far as credibility for usasg. We are required to respect other forum members according to the rules which I feel you and most of us have done. However, that does not mean we need to blindly accept what WE beileve is obvious BS from 0 KB report posters DEMANDING respect offering no way to prove themselves other that just believe me. I can be respectful to what I feel is a BSer by doing them the favor of teaching them that bullshitting is wrong and stupid. I don't have to accept lies of someone to be respectful to them, especially to a Sarah Palin type answerer (I read all the intellectual magazines and jounals but won't name any) not wanting to get pinned down with the truth. I honestly feel I'm respectful doing them a favor so they can grow as a person.

Eh, lets go drink this week sometime.Sounds good "are" been meaning to check out Splash know any good ones there? But I am open PM me on details.

[Realdeal808]

Thanks for your posts which are always good reminders. Fortunately, most forum KB readers both lurkers and posters are akamai. They can easily discern BS when they read it like you. I would guess most KB forum guys have many years KB experience whether new to the forum or not based on meeting many just like you were a new forum guy but old timer KB wise. Therefore, no need get huhu over nothing bro. Sometimes, the motives of that type posters are oppposite of what they first state and want to just rile up and bait readers into arguments. In regards to respect, IHMO, respect is EARNED as far as credibility for usasg. We are required to respect other forum members according to the rules which I feel you and most of us have done. However, that does not mean we need to blindly accept what WE beileve is obvious BS from 0 KB report posters DEMANDING respect offering no way to prove themselves other that just believe me. I can be respectful to what I feel is a BSer by doing them the favor of teaching them that bullshitting is wrong and stupid. I don't have to accept lies of someone to be respectful to them, especially to a Sarah Palin type answerer (I read all the intellectual magazines and jounals but won't name any) not wanting to get pinned down with the truth. I honestly feel I'm respectful doing them a favor so they can grow as a person.

Eh, lets go drink this week sometime.And precisely what types of reports would offer credibllity in your opinion?

[Oldee]

If I want to try catch a marlin, I don't use some cute little tied fly that looks like a mosquito. If I want to catch a rainbow trout I don't use a skirted lure. I have never caught a marlin in a pond and I have never caught a trout in open ocean. However, I have caught both using the appropriate techniques based upon reading the situation. Hmmm, I'm on a boat 2 miles off shore from Kona, think I'll go marlin fishing. Hmmm the radio says there have been lots of hookups down south. Hmmm the tide change is on at 3 pm. Hmmm birds are circling over there and looks like plenty bait fish in the water. Maybe I should try over there.

What's the point? Each fish species has different habits. AND each girl-species have different habits as well. Flashing twenties is a civilian bar may or may not work well for you. Flashing them in a KB generally does. How many depends upon how you read the situation, how many you're willing to drop, and how well you can reel them in with technique for the final "gaff". Again, how you do battle varies depending upon the particular personality of the fish, err KBG. Some will fight like hell and some just let themselves get pulled in. It just all depends upon the situation. How you the hunter read the situation and adjust to it most often will determine the outcome. Make 'them laugh, make 'them cry, make 'them drunk or not, tease 'them, different words and different actions will determine each outcome.

Now, in a KB, you can make generic assumptions, I think. One, if its shipshape (oops I mean its a well run place) and the tide is right (oops I mean time is right) with plenty fish (I mean KBGs) well now is the time to present your bait (oops I mean your game) whatever it is. Just remember get plenty sharks there too so read the situation well and soon.

It's a YMMV scene with no magic bullets (with the exception of twenties). Tease them in with your bait, then from there it's all up to your personal skills as to whether or not you land them. KBs are fishing holes. KBGs are a species that is all about money. That is your bait. How you present it, when, and how patient you are will determine the outcome. Sorry that's the best I can do. I'm sure others may have a single simple technique that works every time in every situation, but, I don't. Of course, there's always Tamashiro Market (AMPs) if you bolohead.

What?

Ss.Awesome analogy Ss bro. I can totally relate being a fisherman too. For those not into fishing, it means use the right tools for the job, adapt, and think on your feet knowing money talks and YMMV is THE rule at KBs.

[BeerAddict]

The new KBGs see this as a vacation where they make lots of money to buy things when they get back home.Great point JR, I also think that the 90 day wonders are so much in a vacation mode that they are a lot less afraid of being promiscuous. They want to make the quick cash, have a lot of fun, drink every night and to top it off they don't have to worry about the possibility of tainted their "reputation" because they are shipping out in 3 months anyways.

I have met a handful of Hawaii KBG's who were of the three month variety, kept in touch with them and spent time with them when in Korea for business. You would be very surprised at how different they look and act and are also very secretive about their encounters with me. Why? Because they are afraid that someone in Korea will find out that they were once working bar girls in America.

In Hawaii, we usually get the lower level KBG's from Korea. The heavy hitters will stay in Korea and work the room salon scene because the money is much better and working conditions are cleaner. So while so many of us here in Hawaii are drooling over some of these visiting KBG's, there are thousands of better more attractive Korean girls working in room salons back home. The ones who come here love the attention because many of them can't get that back home. IMHO, that's where the princess attitudes have started and it's destroying the Hawaii KB scene. So like the commercial on tv says, sometimes its better if you "Buy Local". LOL.

Be safe brothers.

[BeerAddict]

The one thing since been back is all the barbacks or whatever are men? I go to a bar I expect to see a wahine serving me my drink not some guy. Can't see buying a guy a drink although I do leave a generous tip for the person if he takes care. Nice post brother.

I feel that the bar backs provide great intel at times and are cool guys for the most part. I myself won't buy a bar back drinks simply because I know he works hard and I don't feel like the house should benefit from his hard work since the house doesn't pay the bar back, the bartender does. I do, however, leave the bar back a tip under my glass so they know that it belongs to them and not their "partner". I've seen way too many instances where the bartender puts a tip meant for the back into her tip jar simply because the customer left the money on the bar counter.

I believe that a female bartender uses the bar backs in situations when they don't want to do something. Like cleaning glasses, filling up ice, cleaning up after a customer leaves, restocking the coolers and covering the bar for them when they have heavy hitting customers come into the bar. Most of the bar backs in town get paid nightly from their bartenders. If the bartender makes money, they tend to payout a little more to their bar back. So if the bar back is smart, he would do anything he can to help the bartender make money. Plus, if he has friends who come out to visit him and they buy the bartender drinks, that adds to the value of the back in the eyes of the bartender. If a girl were a bar back for a female bartender, I think the bartenders may feel inferior toward an attractive bar back and their hot blooded korean tempers may come into play.

Like always, just my opinions so if you are about to PM me to contradict my statements, don't waste your time. LOL.

Be safe brothers.

[Shipshape]

Hmmm, actually a good question. There are all sorts of good reports and IMHO they do vary according to various readers. For example, I'm not into reports on the quality of oxtail soup but to each his own. Plus the report was an HONEST opinion of a contributor who typically has given other more useful reports in the past. Oldee and I (in the discussion forum) disagreed when I made a comparison between AMP reports and KB reports. Long and short of it was he changed my opinion. KB reports are indeed more subjective vs the AMP experience. When a guy says "She Plays!" it may very well be that he got a goodnight kiss on the cheek which in his mind is "play". It's all good.

For me, I tend to go specific naming names (and not just a list of the most common KBG names in town like ONE tried to do in HIS report). E. g. Sue at Evergreen or Keiko Green Tea or Sunny at Vegas, etc. BTW Sue at Evergreen is an expensive proposition. She'll pound you for drinks, but, you will get a full range of play (titties, fiv, boto squeezing). Remember Ami the J-girl? HJ in the booth on a regular basis, but, the drinkee amount would vary from 2 to 4 or so YMMV. Want to play with a VBG? Prices vary again, but, Sue at Misty's will take you to her place for $100 if you first buy her a couple at work and wait until the bar closes (so a total cost of $140). Then there are the nut-cases out there. Had one (sorry forget her name, but she's gone now anyways) in Kalihi who then moved to Splash. Was real dangerous and was reported as such. Like to get guys in the back room and blackmail them claiming she'd call "rape" and let the cops or the guys wife know all about it. Carried a knife in her purse.

Now, none of the above is made up. I have reported it (as best I remember) as honestly as possible. Sometimes I would delay such reports so that the KBG or VBG would not necessarily put two and two together and identify me. That, IMHO, is reasonable and prudent. Again, reports run a gamut, however, credible reports have a connecting thread, that is, they are honest, non-boastful, and add information (again IMHO). Reports that are placed with the intention of mis-leading (shill reports), or boastful (I could care less if you "really pounded her" or "I banged her for 3 days straight") without naming names are just small-minded attempts to manipulate or somehow meant to help the poster get off in their personal fantasy world (IMHO). Reports placed to attempt to "stir it up" e. G. "I get it for FREE" typically come from fantasy side-line players or egotistical-types who think we're a bunch of idiots. "Oh man, he gets it for free at the KB, what am I doing wrong". Or "I don't do retreads" (YOU DO, so you must be less than me 'cause I'm ALL THAT). Finally, there are some who just like to see their report number go up by posting "Yup" or "LOL" or whatever in the KB reports. Total misuse IMHO. That is what this thread was created for by Oldee. It's a very open thread where anything goes and I for one am glad it exists. Let's me be another "bag o'wind".

Woosh,

Ss.

[Shipshape]

I think I just should have said "read Beer Addicts Reports" Done!

Ss.

[Kaina2076]

Nice post brother.

I feel that the bar backs provide great intel at times and are cool guys for the most part. I myself won't buy a bar back drinks simply because I know he works hard and I don't feel like the house should benefit from his hard work since the house doesn't pay the bar back, the bartender does. I do, however, leave the bar back a tip under my glass so they know that it belongs to them and not their "partner". I've seen way too many instances where the bartender puts a tip meant for the back into her tip jar simply because the customer left the money on the bar counter.

I believe that a female bartender uses the bar backs in situations when they don't want to do something. Like cleaning glasses, filling up ice, cleaning up after a customer leaves, restocking the coolers and covering the bar for them when they have heavy hitting customers come into the bar. Most of the bar backs in town get paid nightly from their bartenders. If the bartender makes money, they tend to payout a little more to their bar back. So if the bar back is smart, he would do anything he can to help the bartender make money. Plus, if he has friends who come out to visit him and they buy the bartender drinks, that adds to the value of the back in the eyes of the bartender. If a girl were a bar back for a female bartender, I think the bartenders may feel inferior toward an attractive bar back and their hot blooded korean tempers may come into play.

Like always, just my opinions so if you are about to PM me to contradict my statements, don't waste your time. LOL.

Be safe brothers.Barbacks are definitely part of the KB scene and though I haven't been on this forum for too long am surprised there hasn't been more discussion. Perhaps in the past. Anyway over the years I've become good friends with several and often go drinking with them on their off night. I just wanted to add one thing to BA's very good synopsis. Although the most common compensation arrangement is for the bar back to be paid by Bartender plus whatever drinks are purchased specifically for him. The most prevalent rule for ANY tip money left on the bar goes to the Bartender. So if you want to tip the bar back for his good service, bar backs prefer that you hand it to them directly.

Kaina.

[Uki Eater]

Reports that are placed with the intention of mis-leading (shill reports), or boastful (I could care less if you "really pounded her" or "I banged her for 3 days straight") without naming names are just small-minded attempts to manipulate or somehow meant to help the poster get off in their personal fantasy world (IMHO). Reports placed to attempt to "stir it up" e. G. "I get it for FREE" typically come from fantasy side-line players or egotistical-types who think we're a bunch of idiots. "Oh man, he gets it for free at the KB, what am I doing wrong". Or "I don't do retreads" (YOU DO, so you must be less than me 'cause I'm ALL THAT). Finally, there are some who just like to see their report number go up by posting "Yup" or "LOL" or whatever in the KB reports. Total misuse IMHO. That is what this thread was created for by Oldee. It's a very open thread where anything goes and I for one am glad it exists. Let's me be another "bag o'wind".

Woosh,

Ss.Reminds me of the time Hostess8 o8 screen name came onto the forum and posted stuff in "The Mind Of A Korean Working Girl" back in 2009. It ruffled up some feathers among forum members where some guys went down to visit her at the bar based on how she wrote on this forum. She / He or whoever behind the screen name was challenging the posts written in that thread. Admin had to delete alot of the postings.
Later on, Hostess411 SN came up.

[Getting Old]

Nice post brother.

I feel that the bar backs provide great intel at times and are cool guys for the most part. I myself won't buy a bar back drinks simply because I know he works hard and I don't feel like the house should benefit from his hard work since the house doesn't pay the bar back, the bartender does. I do, however, leave the bar back a tip under my glass so they know that it belongs to them and not their "partner". I've seen way too many instances where the bartender puts a tip meant for the back into her tip jar simply because the customer left the money on the bar counter.

I believe that a female bartender uses the bar backs in situations when they don't want to do something. Like cleaning glasses, filling up ice, cleaning up after a customer leaves, restocking the coolers and covering the bar for them when they have heavy hitting customers come into the bar. Most of the bar backs in town get paid nightly from their bartenders. If the bartender makes money, they tend to payout a little more to their bar back. So if the bar back is smart, he would do anything he can to help the bartender make money. Plus, if he has friends who come out to visit him and they buy the bartender drinks, that adds to the value of the back in the eyes of the bartender. If a girl were a bar back for a female bartender, I think the bartenders may feel inferior toward an attractive bar back and their hot blooded korean tempers may come into play.

Like always, just my opinions so if you are about to PM me to contradict my statements, don't waste your time. LOL.




Be safe brothers.I agree on the hot Korean temper. But puts me out of a job carrying Ice and washing glasses. Nah only joke been there and done that my washing glasses days are over as well as filling Ice when the bar opens (only once recently which is pretty good for me and only because she asked nicely).

If you going out tonight PM Oldee maybe the three of us can hook up I would like to meet some of the posters on this forum.

[Getting Old]

And precisely what types of reports would offer credibllity in your opinion?Like you said I will reserve judgment and I am not looking for a fight but for me the name of your GF and the bar she works at since going be out tonight with some of the brothers this will dispel any credibility problems and although I have been out of it for awhile the korean grapevine is alive and well. So you no can bull shit. Not that we are saying you are.

It is your call my young friend. I know Oldee not going like this but this will prove your stories. And unfortunately that's all that they are for now. It maybe true I hope it is but your stories go contrary to most of the brothers experience no matter how good a personality and looks so put an end to this and give us a name I will buy her a necko hana hell maybe more than one and she cannot be mad at you for referring a new customer to her what you think? Up to you.

[Realdeal808]

Like you said I will reserve judgment and I am not looking for a fight but for me the name of your GF and the bar she works at since going be out tonight with some of the brothers this will dispel any credibility problems and although I have been out of it for awhile the korean grapevine is alive and well. So you no can bull shit. Not that we are saying you are.

It is your call my young friend. I know Oldee not going like this but this will prove your stories. And unfortunately that's all that they are for now. It maybe true I hope it is but your stories go contrary to most of the brothers experience no matter how good a personality and looks so put an end to this and give us a name I will buy her a necko hana hell maybe more than one and she cannot be mad at you for referring a new customer to her what you think? Up to you.I will assume that you are yanking my chain. Because if you're serious that may be the most insane proposal in the history of man. I would give up her name and where she works after all I've said here (and may in the future) in the trust that none of it gets back to her? She's open-minded in that she tells me to go bars, but pretty sure she would not like to hear some things I've said here.

[Realdeal808]

Now, none of the above is made up. I have reported it (as best I remember) as honestly as possible. Sometimes I would delay such reports so that the KBG or VBG would not necessarily put two and two together and identify me. That, IMHO, is reasonable and prudent. Again, reports run a gamut, however, credible reports have a connecting thread, that is, they are honest, non-boastful, and add information (again IMHO). Reports that are placed with the intention of mis-leading (shill reports), or boastful (I could care less if you "really pounded her" or "I banged her for 3 days straight") without naming names are just small-minded attempts to manipulate or somehow meant to help the poster get off in their personal fantasy world (IMHO). Reports placed to attempt to "stir it up" e. G. "I get it for FREE" typically come from fantasy side-line players or egotistical-types who think we're a bunch of idiots. "Oh man, he gets it for free at the KB, what am I doing wrong". Or "I don't do retreads" (YOU DO, so you must be less than me 'cause I'm ALL THAT). Finally, there are some who just like to see their report number go up by posting "Yup" or "LOL" or whatever in the KB reports. Total misuse IMHO. That is what this thread was created for by Oldee. It's a very open thread where anything goes and I for one am glad it exists. Let's me be another "bag o'wind".

Woosh,

Ss.Let me ask you a blunt question. You seem like a guy who's been around. How many civilian women have you banged in your life? Not talking about any that you paid for at the point of service or sugar baby arrangements, etc. I mean girls you met legitimately and for whatever reason, they slept with you without expecting any monetary gain. Ballpark estimate is good. I"ll wait.

[BeerAddict]

Barbacks are definitely part of the KB scene and though I haven't been on this forum for too long am surprised there hasn't been more discussion. Perhaps in the past. Anyway over the years I've become good friends with several and often go drinking with them on their off night. I just wanted to add one thing to BA's very good synopsis. Although the most common compensation arrangement is for the bar back to be paid by Bartender plus whatever drinks are purchased specifically for him. The most prevalent rule for ANY tip money left on the bar goes to the Bartender. So if you want to tip the bar back for his good service, bar backs prefer that you hand it to them directly.

Kaina.Good advice Kaina, I always give them their tips under my bottle, which in bar terms is the same as giving it to them in their hands. I don't buy them drinks because like I mentioned in a previous post I don't think the house should punch the 3 dollars for their ten dollar drinks or 5 dollars for their twenty dollar drinks. So I just give the tips to them in their hands or leave it under my bottle if they are busy. I do, however, take care of a couple of their drinks when I go out and see them drinking elsewhere or if I am drinking with them on their off nights. I figure that since they continue to buy my drinks at their bar, I should at least make sure they are making money since they work so hard. Some of them got pretty good food too!

The one thing that I try not to do very often is buy the bartender drinks unless I catch her working on the floor at another time. It just doesn't make sense to me to buy a girl a drink when she is standing all the way over on the other side of a counter. Definite no chance of play at that time, unless you are prepping her for a future "date" in the booths when she works the floor. Even then, the prepping part is a waste of money IMHO. I work hard for my money so I expect the KBG to do the same. LOL.

Be safe brothers.

[BeerAddict]

When a guy says "She Plays!" it may very well be that he got a goodnight kiss on the cheek which in his mind is "play". It's all good.

Nice point Ship, to me PLAY is only when my little head, Junior is involved. I know way too many guys out there whose definition of play is a good night kiss on the lips after buying the girls numerous neko's. Hmmm, Hello,? That should be a prerequisite all the time or maybe you shouldn't see her again. The KBG's need to learn what WE want so they have a general idea for the next time we visit. If they don't agree, then we simply move on the the next girl who we can interview first. That's the beauty of the KB scene! For me the process continues until I find the one's that are wiling to play then THEY become my regular, not the other way around. I hate it when girls say, "Oh he's my regular customer", shouldn't it be that they are OUR regular bar girl? The KBG philosophies are a little warped and it's our job to train these girls on why the customer is so important. They get spoiled because too many customers just assume its the way of the KB land. Girls are always looking for the guys with sucker written on their foreheads. I know this because many of them are my buddies who are highly enlightened customers when I am there and ATM LVB's when I am not there. LOL.

I have had fingered numerous girls in the past, gotten deep french kisses, sucked on tits and still don't consider that play. Since I am at the bar to relax or to find pleasure for myself, it has to be about junior. No matter what. If I am there to pleasure her and there is no return, then my money is wasted. She just got paid to get fondled and also got to drink while making money off of me. So my general rule of thumb is that "play" means Junior had his fun and will sleep well at night. LOL.

[Shipshape]

So my general rule of thumb is that "play" means Junior had his fun and will sleep well at night. LOL.Yup, always thought that there should be defined levels of "play". Kind of like the old 1st base, 2nd base thing. That's why I pretty much wait for contributors to define their personal level of "play". Then, I'm able to review my comparative experience and make a better ascertainment of service taking into account the old YMMV factor. FYI: I agree, if little SS is happy, then I'm happy.

Ss.

[Shipshape]

Oh my what a question. I guess some folks don't get the point of this site. Although the "blunt" question posed has nothing to do with this thread and nothing to do with this entire site, I'll try to give an answer.

I'm here to learn and to contribute to the forum, as best I can, by offering opinion, experience, and on rare occasion some advice that may or may not help a brother get some "play". I am not here to offer comparisons of my conquests. If I tell you about a particular KBG or VBG or whomever, it is always YMMV but at least you know what some other idiot (me) got. Having said that, there is really no point in revealing "civie" play. To ask and to imply a comparative in the civilian world is just plain childish. The next step will be a "mine is bigger than yours" kind of silliness. You see, I just don't care about how many conquests anyone has had. I just don't care if yours is bigger than mine. Those are games for childish young turks or those living in fantasy worlds or those who like to try to manipulate. I think of them as forum Vampires, always taking, never giving.

Ss.

[Realdeal808]

Oh my what a question. I guess some folks don't get the point of this site. Although the "blunt" question posed has nothing to do with this thread and nothing to do with this entire site, I'll try to give an answer.

I'm here to learn and to contribute to the forum, as best I can, by offering opinion, experience, and on rare occasion some advice that may or may not help a brother get some "play". I am not here to offer comparisons of my conquests. If I tell you about a particular KBG or VBG or whomever, it is always YMMV but at least you know what some other idiot (me) got. Having said that, there is really no point in revealing "civie" play. To ask and to imply a comparative in the civilian world is just plain childish. The next step will be a "mine is bigger than yours" kind of silliness. You see, I just don't care about how many conquests anyone has had. I just don't care if yours is bigger than mine. Those are games for childish young turks or those living in fantasy worlds or those who like to try to manipulate. I think of them as forum Vampires, always taking, never giving.

Ss.Let me explain why it is relevant to this thread. You have accused my statements as being false and made with the intent of inciting arguments. Not true. You have said that my reports of getting freebies from kbg's is ridiculous. It's not. I said that this goal wouldn't work for all kbg's but it will for SOME. This is true. If someone has not achieved this yet, it doesn't mean they have less prowess it just means they haven't tried with the right person yet, altho it's true that YMMV to an extent. Anyone who has achieved having sex with a "civie" should know that freebies are possible. I wasn't looking for a "mine is bigger than yours" argument.

[Admin2]

I relaxed the rules here a little. Everybody needs a place to let their hair down. Since the KBG thread is more blog than a commercial sex thread I did it here.
The Argumentative infraction is the only one relaxed. No threats, no revealing personal info, no unsubstantiated STD reports, not arrest reports, in fact all the other rules are in effect, just stupid arguments with guys you will most likely never meet are allowed.

A2


Oh my what a question. I guess some folks don't get the point of this site. Although the "blunt" question posed has nothing to do with this thread and nothing to do with this entire site, I'll try to give an answer.

I'm here to learn and to contribute to the forum, as best I can, by offering opinion, experience, and on rare occasion some advice that may or may not help a brother get some "play". I am not here to offer comparisons of my conquests. If I tell you about a particular KBG or VBG or whomever, it is always YMMV but at least you know what some other idiot (me) got. Having said that, there is really no point in revealing "civie" play. To ask and to imply a comparative in the civilian world is just plain childish. The next step will be a "mine is bigger than yours" kind of silliness. You see, I just don't care about how many conquests anyone has had. I just don't care if yours is bigger than mine. Those are games for childish young turks or those living in fantasy worlds or those who like to try to manipulate. I think of them as forum Vampires, always taking, never giving.

Ss.


Let me explain why it is relevant to this thread. You have accused my statements as being false and made with the intent of inciting arguments. Not true. You have said that my reports of getting freebies from kbg's is ridiculous. It's not. I said that this goal wouldn't work for all kbg's but it will for SOME. This is true. If someone has not achieved this yet, it doesn't mean they have less prowess it just means they haven't tried with the right person yet, altho it's true that YMMV to an extent. Anyone who has achieved having sex with a "civie" should know that freebies are possible. I wasn't looking for a "mine is bigger than yours" argument.

[Getting Old]

I will assume that you are yanking my chain. Because if you're serious that may be the most insane proposal in the history of man. I would give up her name and where she works after all I've said here (and may in the future) in the trust that none of it gets back to her? She's open-minded in that she tells me to go bars, but pretty sure she would not like to hear some things I've said here.I guess from the response you getting from the senior members your credibility is about shot, we (the master) and I had a discussion about you and guys like you last night, in depth. I know now you not the guy I was thinking about but you are just like him. I gave you a shot to verify your statements but "nice try" I was not trying anything but help you prove your credibility which now stands at -0- for me at least and you seem to be one sick puppy, I am entitled to my opinion as you have stated and I have stated it.

Ad2 a small favor can you block this guy from my in box like you did for the other guy that was irritating please, much mahalos for your assistance I wouldn't like to be banned just yet.

Can't do that hoss, just delete them unread when you get them.

A2

[Realdeal808]

I guess from the response you getting from the senior members your credibility is about shot, we (the master) and I had a discussion about you and guys like you last night, in depth. I know now you not the guy I was thinking about but you are just like him. I gave you a shot to verify your statements but "nice try" I was not trying anything but help you prove your credibility which now stands at -0- for me at least and you seem to be one sick puppy, I am entitled to my opinion as you have stated and I have stated it.

Ad2 a small favor can you block this guy from my in box like you did for the other guy that was irritating please, much mahalos for your assistance I wouldn't like to be banned just yet.

Can't do that hoss, just delete them unread when you get them.

A2G O.

I am sorry that you feel that way. I am sure any sane person would understand my position tho.

Dear Admin,

Just to be clear I have never pm'd G O so not sure why he feels the need to tell you to block me frim his inbox. I sincerely wish him the best and I am.

Not the guy that bothered him before. As you may know my first post was my 'first post' and I'm not a resurrected banned poster.

I'm neither saying you are or you're not but don't know anything of the sort. Please don't speak for me in the future.

A2

[Realdeal808]

I guess from the response you getting from the senior members your credibility is about shot, we (the master) and I had a discussion about you and guys like you last night, in depth. I know now you not the guy I was thinking about but you are just like him. I gave you a shot to verify your statements but "nice try" I was not trying anything but help you prove your credibility which now stands at -0- for me at least and you seem to be one sick puppy, I am entitled to my opinion as you have stated and I have stated it.

Ad2 a small favor can you block this guy from my in box like you did for the other guy that was irritating please, much mahalos for your assistance I wouldn't like to be banned just yet.

Can't do that hoss, just delete them unread when you get them.

A2Dear G O.

Despite your feelings towards me, out of everyone that has posted here, you are the only one that I actually would want to meet and shoot the shit with. Why? Becuz you seem sincere and down to earth. You are probably the most honest and critical without envy tainting your posts.

Oldee, you guys should hang out more often. If you really want to help people as part of your legacy, I would suggest making him part of your drinking buddies. I'm assuming you guys just met from what I can tell, but man, don't let him waste money on these be-s if he doesn't have to. That's part of my whole fricken point here.

Out.

[Oldee]

And precisely what types of reports would offer credibllity in your opinion?IF and when you ever make one, we will let you know. On the flip side, keeping your age, years KB experience a SECRET, refusing to make ANY personal KB reports, not directly addressing OUR questions, refusing to prove your stuff at the KBs for us to witness, wild claims of a REAL GAME, endless irelevent questions, etc are SURE signs of bull shit. Thinking that keeping your secrets and not making any KB reports will not reveal the bullshit only proves that it is.

Credibility is built over time when reports are VERIFIABLE by other who experience the same things at KBs and with KBGs. You asked for my opinion and you got it.

[Memahu]

For me it's been, AMP killed the KB star. Oh-a-oh.

[Realdeal808]

IF and when you ever make one, we will let you know. On the flip side, keeping your age, years KB experience a SECRET, refusing to make ANY personal KB reports, not directly addressing OUR questions, refusing to prove your stuff at the KBs for us to witness, wild claims of a REAL GAME, endless irelevent questions, etc are SURE signs of bull shit. Thinking that keeping your secrets and not making any KB reports will not reveal the bullshit only proves that it is.

Credibility is built over time when reports are VERIFIABLE by other who experience the same things at KBs and with KBGs. You asked for my opinion and you got it.Ok if that makes you feel better.

Still waiting for the description of the precise types of reports from the master. Who was it that said, "true leaders lead by example"? Oh well guess it doesn't apply here.

[TrueTemper]

Good fun seeing all the GM getting their adrenaline flowing. See all you guys young yet and get plenty testosterones. No need the blue pills. LOL.

[AdventureKing]

I learned my lesson well when I went to Evergreen with a friend of mine, last week.

Never buy these K bargirls too much drinks. It only adds up on your cred card tab.

I got my receipt after buying two girls four drinks, and I was shell shocked! With that kind of money, I could be fucking a hot chick at any AMPs in town.

At K-bars, you are also not guaranteed full service, even if you pay for the back room.

[Oldee]

I learned my lesson well when I went to Evergreen with a friend of mine, last week.

Never buy these K bargirls too much drinks. It only adds up on your cred card tab.

I got my receipt after buying two girls four drinks, and I was shell shocked! With that kind of money, I could be fucking a hot chick at any AMPs in town.

At K-bars, you are also not guaranteed full service, even if you pay for the back room.BA and Chibi bros gave you great advice and yeah, if your objective is sex and you're a KB newbie, AMPs is a much better choice. Its SHOPPING versus FISHING.

What you experienced at Camelot and EG has been repeated thousands of times for many decades by KB newbies like yourself. KBGs are pros and can size up easy money as soon as your first step in the bar. They have PhDs in reading customers and know how to separate you and your money VERY effeciently. Ask any AMP goer if they been KBs and most will say yes, and not just couple times either. KBs are the YMMV venue something like Vegas.

Besides what BA and Chibi said, going KBs with a veteran KB goer (not me as retired KB tour guide) will save you tons of money and increase your odds of getting sexual play greatly. BTW, Chibi bro read every post in this thread in 4 days as well as many in the other 2. Also, newbies who read this forum actually have and advantage over some veteran KB guys in that you don't have bad "habits" like G O bro, LOL. The bugga take his 20 out before the girl even sit down, LOL. Good luck if and when you go KB again bro. Thanks for sharing your experience as it applies to MANY KB newbies.

[Shipshape]

1. Thou shalt NEVER run a tab in a KB.

2. Thou shalt NOT use a credit card in a KB.

3. Thou shalt NEVER assume that the KBG is going home with you.

4. Thou shalt NOT use the ATM at a KB.

5. Thou shalt NEVER buy a Good Luck Drink for an old KBG unless she is your mother.

6. Thou shalt NOT believe any hints of extra play if you ONLY will buy the Champain.

7. Thou shall be willing to walk away or send the KBG on her way if you are NOT having fun.

8. Thou should remember that Drinkees are a time buy, nothing more, nothing less.

9. Thou shalt NOT endure table hoppers waiting for their return because they left their purse with you.

10. Thou should remember that, for these KBGs, its a business and they are there to transfer your dollars into their pockets.

There's a lot more I am sure.

Ss.

[Udakine]

1. Thou shalt NEVER run a tab in a KB.

2. Thou shalt NOT use a credit card in a KB.

3. Thou shalt NEVER assume that the KBG is going home with you.

4. Thou shalt NOT use the ATM at a KB.

5. Thou shalt NEVER buy a Good Luck Drink for an old KBG unless she is your mother.

6. Thou shalt NOT believe any hints of extra play if you ONLY will buy the Champain.

7. Thou shall be willing to walk away or send the KBG on her way if you are NOT having fun.

8. Thou should remember that Drinkees are a time buy, nothing more, nothing less.

9. Thou shalt NOT endure table hoppers waiting for their return because they left their purse with you.

10. Thou should remember that, for these KBGs, its a business and they are there to transfer your dollars into their pockets.

There's a lot more I am sure.

Ss.Ss-.

Good ones. How about:

Thou shall NOT fall in love in a KB (unless the nani comes for free).

[AdventureKing]

BA and Chibi bros gave you great advice and yeah, if your objective is sex and you're a KB newbie, AMPs is a much better choice. Its SHOPPING versus FISHING.
Well, I am not that much of a newbie to the K-bar scenes. I have been to a Vietnamese bar, one of the Sheridan St. Three-plexes five years ago. I think it was called Club President, something like that. The Viet chick I was with wasn't much of a gold digger. I only bought her two shots of drink, but she was content with what I got her.

Dang, when I went to Evergreen with my buddy last week, the two girls (one who sat with my friend), were like alcohol-slurping mosquitoes. Every three minutes, "can I get another drink" were the comments that came out of their mouth.

So yes, I did learn my lesson well. My friend has been to K bars in the past. But this was nearly 10 years ago for him.

Plus the KB girl he was with was older than him, and more of an honest person. Heck, although he was only 21 why. O at that time, and the KB girl was 34 why. O, they hooked up and even took trips together!

Oh well, that's the old days when I'm assuming that KB girls were more "honest" than the younger generations who work at KBars these days.



What you experienced at Camelot and EG has been repeated thousands of times for many decades by KB newbies like yourself. KBGs are pros and can size up easy money as soon as your first step in the bar. They have PhDs in reading customers and know how to separate you and your money VERY effeciently. Ask any AMP goer if they been KBs and most will say yes, and not just couple times either. KBs are the YMMV venue something like Vegas.Yup, you are right. LOL! They have "PhD's" in separating my money from my wallet! LOOL!

Okay, for now, screw K bars. Evergreen has LOTS of chicks, young chicks. So for you fellow brothers who are looking for KB girls in their 20's or 30's, then EG is the place to go to.

Otherwise, for a young guy like me who likes to play and not squander my money on buying girls drinks, I'd rather visit AMPs.

[Dragons76]

Well, I am not that much of a newbie to the K-bar scenes. I have been to a Vietnamese bar, one of the Sheridan St. Three-plexes five years ago. I think it was called Club President, something like that. The Viet chick I was with wasn't much of a gold digger. I only bought her two shots of drink, but she was content with what I got her.

Dang, when I went to Evergreen with my buddy last week, the two girls (one who sat with my friend), were like alcohol-slurping mosquitoes. Every three minutes, "can I get another drink" were the comments that came out of their mouth.

So yes, I did learn my lesson well. My friend has been to K bars in the past. But this was nearly 10 years ago for him.

Plus the KB girl he was with was older than him, and more of an honest person. Heck, although he was only 21 why. O at that time, and the KB girl was 34 why. O, they hooked up and even took trips together!

Oh well, that's the old days when I'm assuming that KB girls were more "honest" than the younger generations who work at KBars these days.

Yup, you are right. LOL! They have "PhD's" in separating my money from my wallet! LOOL!

Okay, for now, screw K bars. Evergreen has LOTS of chicks, young chicks. So for you fellow brothers who are looking for KB girls in their 20's or 30's, then EG is the place to go to.

Otherwise, for a young guy like me who likes to play and not squander my money on buying girls drinks, I'd rather visit AMPs.Yah go to the KBs to drink and look can be fun and it can be very easy to spend money on the BG. There are BGs in the Kbars that play as stated before every BG has their price but it is YMMV. The same can be said about the Vbars like XO, Secret, and Cache from my experiences less hassles but it still is YMMV. Also remember it is a business for the the BGs whether Kbg or Vbg so don't be afraid to negotiate with your hands and what you say. Scope around and maybe a have a drink or two but don't feel obligated to buy any of the BGs that approach you a drink not unless you want to. Everyone has their own judgment and opinions on whether or not you get more for your money at a bar or AMP at the end its your money so spend it how you want to and feel comfortable spending it. If you are looking for guarantee play for a set amount then yes AMPs are the place like stated before for BGs it will YMMV.

[Asstro]

1. Thou shalt NEVER run a tab in a KB.

2. Thou shalt NOT use a credit card in a KB.

3. Thou shalt NEVER assume that the KBG is going home with you.

4. Thou shalt NOT use the ATM at a KB.

5. Thou shalt NEVER buy a Good Luck Drink for an old KBG unless she is your mother.

6. Thou shalt NOT believe any hints of extra play if you ONLY will buy the Champain.

7. Thou shall be willing to walk away or send the KBG on her way if you are NOT having fun.

8. Thou should remember that Drinkees are a time buy, nothing more, nothing less.

9. Thou shalt NOT endure table hoppers waiting for their return because they left their purse with you.

10. Thou should remember that, for these KBGs, its a business and they are there to transfer your dollars into their pockets.

There's a lot more I am sure.

Ss.Amen! Cannot argue with that. Where were you when I was growing up? Most of us had to learn the old fashioned way, never have the internet bible.

[Shipshape]

Amen! Cannot argue with that. Where were you when I was growing up? Most of us had to learn the old fashioned way, never have the internet bible.Yeah. Me too never had. I hate to think how much I spent learning each one of those rules. Maybe I should make a little card with them on and leave a few in the bars.

Ss.

[Getting Old]

BA and Chibi bros gave you great advice and yeah, if your objective is sex and you're a KB newbie, AMPs is a much better choice. Its SHOPPING versus FISHING.

What you experienced at Camelot and EG has been repeated thousands of times for many decades by KB newbies like yourself. KBGs are pros and can size up easy money as soon as your first step in the bar. They have PhDs in reading customers and know how to separate you and your money VERY effeciently. Ask any AMP goer if they been KBs and most will say yes, and not just couple times either. KBs are the YMMV venue something like Vegas.

Besides what BA and Chibi said, going KBs with a veteran KB goer (not me as retired KB tour guide) will save you tons of money and increase your odds of getting sexual play greatly. BTW, Chibi bro read every post in this thread in 4 days as well as many in the other 2. Also, newbies who read this forum actually have and advantage over some veteran KB guys in that you don't have bad "habits" like G O bro, LOL. The bugga take his 20 out before the girl even sit down, LOL. Good luck if and when you go KB again bro. Thanks for sharing your experience as it applies to MANY KB newbies.Oldee I am what I am a hard core LVB. Thanks again for coming out of retirement for that night, it was different, looked in my wallet the next morning and I still had my allocation for the night. Well most of it anyway. I am going to follow up on those suggestions you gave me for Kalihi and Town especially the one at Casino. Might be worth a dollar or two as a diversion any good thing and you can get in a rut. Needed a break from that. That outing helped.

To the brothers that patronize 74 early I believe they going be closed on Saturday and Sunday because of the take over I think someone told me.

Already had ad in paper about "GRAND OPENING" so be aware the early guys may just have to settle for Ellie's although Han is a very good cook (try her Bacon and Eggs. The bacon is perfect). She should be working as she got the weekends. The game should help also as I think some places going be open for the early game.

We work (ed) hard for the monies we have so respect your money when you spending on the KBG like Vegas don't spend what you cannot afford a lot of guys new to the bar "FALL IN LOVE" and "GO FOR BROKE" well in the bar you going be broke if you fall for that. I hope you realize the KB is an adult fantasy land for men primarily just like Las Vegas is for adults. How you allocate your resources will determine the amount of time you have with your hunnie helps if you a regular as your monies last awhile longer but in the end it goes all the same you vets know what I am talking about.

Do not develop bad habits like I have but then again I didn't want Oldee paying why had the twenties out also was waiting for the introduction to the next one (3 different ones at Casino all told). . anyway Oldee knows a lot, a lot of wahines. You should be so lucky to have a one on one tour with this guy even though you going get ribbed after on this blog. I don't care, because he not telling me anything I didn't know already.

As always be safe and be careful lot of Police around now days don't know why. If you drunk take a cab a $100 cab fare better than putting up a 25 K bond or the astronomical insurance. If you drink be smart and take a cab if not for my sake stay home and drink there. Please.

Hey Oldee if I take UH (10 points now) you going pay the juice if I loose? Like Dragon said. Nah only joke!. UH waste time. We need a new coach three years long enough.

[Oldee]

Hey Oldee if I take UH (10 points now) you going pay the juice if I loose? Like Dragon said. Nah only joke!. UH waste time. We need a new coach three years long enough.Take UH, get much better chance than you being cured of LVBitis, LOL. Yes, I will pay the juice if you lose bro. I still one stupid UH fan das why.

[Dragons76]

Take UH, get much better chance than you being cured of LVBitis, LOL. Yes, I will pay the juice if you lose bro. I still one stupid UH fan das why.Haha no need pay juice Oldee since UH won outright so tonight if you see GO let him have fun. No feel bad GO if Oldee call you LVB you 2 have the a lot experiences and knowledge that a lot can learn from. If they willing to take the advice or not is up to them but if they were smart and understand (oldee can speak in code sometimes hehe) there is a lot that one can take away. Hopefully I run into you guys if you are out tonight and get to just hangout and talk story. Also SS I agree with your 10 "commandments" about KBs and KBGs combined.

[Getting Old]

Haha no need pay juice Oldee since UH won outright so tonight if you see GO let him have fun. No feel bad GO if Oldee call you LVB you 2 have the a lot experiences and knowledge that a lot can learn from. If they willing to take the advice or not is up to them but if they were smart and understand (oldee can speak in code sometimes hehe) there is a lot that one can take away. Hopefully I run into you guys if you are out tonight and get to just hangout and talk story. Also SS I agree with your 10 "commandments" about KBs and KBGs combined.I am sorry didn't get a chance to get over to your guys table but you came in with a gang and I was kind of boxed in last night. My lady friend from 74 was supposed to meet me there but guess she got hung up in Kalihi helping her friend with her infant baby (man that kid has some lungs) she couldn't stop the baby from crying and she was stressed. Anyway got to meet the new night time bartender (Wed, Thurs nights or was it Thurs, Fri nights?) oh well she one old timer and a Pro been away from the bar for some years but mama brought her back so the transition is going well. I saw a lot of guys that usually go to 74 last night guess having the bar closed for renovation helped mama's business was busy till closing.

I am glad I am not the only one that learned the 10 commandments the hard way. In some cases still learning as I look at my AMEX bill. LOL!! There are very few places I would use my card but it happens at times. Especially if you are having fun and paying the price for that fun.

Oldee you can say I told you so as you have in my bar exploits recently, who would figure another team that shoots itself in the foot no less than 6+ times in the game. They are worse than UH but from what I heard a lot of guys lost money yesterday so I don't feel too bad. I need to save the money for Vegas. You know why anyway bud didn't see you last night but I did get my massage. Take care and guess I will see you around. You too Dragon!

[Oldee]

Haha no need pay juice Oldee since UH won outright so tonight if you see GO let him have fun. No feel bad GO if Oldee call you LVB you 2 have the a lot experiences and knowledge that a lot can learn from. If they willing to take the advice or not is up to them but if they were smart and understand (oldee can speak in code sometimes hehe) there is a lot that one can take away. Hopefully I run into you guys if you are out tonight and get to just hangout and talk story. Also SS I agree with your 10 "commandments" about KBs and KBGs combined.I was hoping to run into you on Thursday (got drunk at EG after 2) as was too tired to go last night. Eh KB King, make your report of last night already.

Yes, G O bro knows the KB game even if he one old timer LVB. Thanks to guys like him, still get KBs. They are the MAJORITY and us sukebe guys the minority patrons that benefit from them being LVBs, especially 2nd shift, LOL.

[BeerAddict]

Yes, G O bro knows the KB game even if he one old timer LVB. Thanks to guys like him, still get KBs. They are the MAJORITY and us sukebe guys the minority patrons that benefit from them being LVBs, especially 2nd shift, LOL.YES, all you LVB's out there, KAMSAHAMNIDA!! Thanks to all the LVB's, the KB's definitely stay in business as a result of the girls making money and in turn making the bar busy. I'd rather be the minority and save myself some money for basically getting the same thing as the big spenders than spending like crazy with the distinct possibility of getting robbed. Not criticizing the LVB's out there, but instead thanking all of them profusely. Keep our bars going strong. LOL.

Be safe brothers.

[BeerAddict]

Anyway got to meet the new night time bartender (Wed, Thurs nights or was it Thurs, Fri nights?) oh well she one old timer and a Pro been away from the bar for some years but mama brought her back so the transition is going well.Do you happen to know her name, I am wondering if it's temporary until Amy gets back from her trip? Haven't been to Splash lately so I'm trying to stay updated on the girls there. The last time that I was there, about 3 weeks ago, there were hardly any girls working there. What a big difference from when they were kicking ass every night with standing room only crowds. Sounds like they need more girls. Story of any struggling KB. LOL.

[TrueTemper]

YES, all you LVB's out there, KAMSAHAMNIDA!! Thanks to all the LVB's, the KB's definitely stay in business as a result of the girls making money and in turn making the bar busy. I'd rather be the minority and save myself some money for basically getting the same thing as the big spenders than spending like crazy with the distinct possibility of getting robbed. Not criticizing the LVB's out there, but instead thanking all of them profusely. Keep our bars going strong. LOL.

Be safe brothers.You are very welcome my friend. Last time I seen Yujin she was always looking at herself with her compact mirror. LOL.

Be safe Bros, but not too safe.

[TrueTemper]

I am sorry didn't get a chance to get over to your guys table but you came in with a gang and I was kind of boxed in last night. My lady friend from 74 was supposed to meet me there but guess she got hung up in Kalihi helping her friend with her infant baby (man that kid has some lungs) she couldn't stop the baby from crying and she was stressed. Anyway got to meet the new night time bartender (Wed, Thurs nights or was it Thurs, Fri nights?) oh well she one old timer and a Pro been away from the bar for some years but mama brought her back so the transition is going well. I saw a lot of guys that usually go to 74 last night guess having the bar closed for renovation helped mama's business was busy till closing.

I am glad I am not the only one that learned the 10 commandments the hard way. In some cases still learning as I look at my AMEX bill. LOL!! There are very few places I would use my card but it happens at times. Especially if you are having fun and paying the price for that fun.

Oldee you can say I told you so as you have in my bar exploits recently, who would figure another team that shoots itself in the foot no less than 6+ times in the game. They are worse than UH but from what I heard a lot of guys lost money yesterday so I don't feel too bad. I need to save the money for Vegas. You know why anyway bud didn't see you last night but I did get my massage. Take care and guess I will see you around. You too Dragon!You are soo lucky because everytime I got to give a massage. No laugh Master Flash. Me Pabo that's why. Eh RealDeal when we going drink?

[Realdeal808]

You are soo lucky because everytime I got to give a massage. No laugh Master Flash. Me Pabo that's why. Eh RealDeal when we going drink?Was out making rounds this past weekend. Met some cool guys at couple of places with my friend. Funny, I wouldn't be surprised if they were some of you guys here. Wouldn't that be ironic.

[Oldee]

1. Thou shalt NEVER run a tab in a KB.

2. Thou shalt NOT use a credit card in a KB.

3. Thou shalt NEVER assume that the KBG is going home with you.

4. Thou shalt NOT use the ATM at a KB.

5. Thou shalt NEVER buy a Good Luck Drink for an old KBG unless she is your mother.

6. Thou shalt NOT believe any hints of extra play if you ONLY will buy the Champain.

7. Thou shall be willing to walk away or send the KBG on her way if you are NOT having fun.

8. Thou should remember that Drinkees are a time buy, nothing more, nothing less.

9. Thou shalt NOT endure table hoppers waiting for their return because they left their purse with you.

10. Thou should remember that, for these KBGs, its a business and they are there to transfer your dollars into their pockets.

There's a lot more I am sure.

Ss.These are some of mine that has served me very well over the years. As always, there are exceptions and YMMV.

1. CHOOSE WISELY or not at all. This is my #1 rule. You can find your freebie dreamgirl or steal all your money and heart ROB depending on your choice of KBG. Don't settlle for any KBG just because she came up to you or mama chose a girl for you. Choose the one YOU WANT and INTERVIEW first before you decide to buy neko or not.

2. Set a KB spending limit for the night with a KB wallet that has no credit cards if you one LVB, no can say no, no mo will power, or small head thinker. The amount you put in your KB wallet up to you.

3. NEVER chase KBGs even if you one LVB. Once you do, they are the served and you are the server. Instead, jig your lure and use the carrot on stick IF you like the KBG. Most KBGs are not worth chasing.

4. IF you one LVB and wonder if a KBG truly likes you, SHE DOES NOT. IF she did, you would know as they make it clear when they do. (rare). Even if they have sex with you no mean she does as you probably #56 bar boyfriend of 200 or more.

5. NEVER assume your handsome looks and charm counts for anything. It doesn't at a KB as the most handsome, most charming, nice, and smart guy in the bar is the old ugly guy with the fat wallet and he hates money and likes to spend.

6. NEVER go in the SHAM-PAIN room. Some will disagree and there are exceptions but if sex is your goal, take out or AMP is a much better option. I sometimes go when others (high rollas) or the KBG pay (also rare). Play in the booth much more cost effective. It can cost thousands in the Shampain room for couple hours touchy feely karaoke unless you Chibi bro, LOL.

7. NEVER trade markers for neko. The 3 dolla versus 20 trade is for suckers. Just tip 3 bucks for the marker if you want to not feel obligated.

8. ALWAYS sit at the bar first if you are new to that bar and before you choose a KBG to sit with. Observe the KBGs at the well or booths first. When guys go directly to a booth when there are open bar sits, it indicates to bar staff you want company even if the company junk.

9. BE DIFFERENT than other KB patrons and try not to draw attention to yourself. Most of you might not understand this one but helps ALOT if you one KBG hunter. Look at every customer in the bar next time you go KB. KBGs are not attracted to regular KB goers.

ALWAYS buy Oldee beer. JOKE!!

[John Ross]

I like Oldee's rules of the road better than SS' Commandments. I've broken every single Commandment written, I still do, even to this day! Hahaha!

Now, Oldee's rules are pretty damned good and I abide by most of them. BTW, when most girls say they have a roommate, it is bullshit, especially when they have a 1 bd apartment. The exception is if they are in mamasan provided housing.

[TrueTemper]

I like Oldee's rules of the road better than SS' Commandments. I've broken every single Commandment written, I still do, even to this day! Hahaha!

Now, Oldee's rules are pretty damned good and I abide by most of them. BTW, when most girls say they have a roommate, it is bullshit, especially when they have a 1 bd apartment. The exception is if they are in mamasan provided housing.Just curious on how you got you SO. Did you hit it off immediately or it took some time? Were you the aggressor or she seduced you? NO need reply because.

It could be too personal. Hard because all the KBG's act like I get chance. Is it our inner spirit tht will tell us.

[Udakine]

These are some of mine that has served me very well over the years. As always, there are exceptions and YMMV.

1. CHOOSE WISELY or not at all. This is my #1 rule. You can find your freebie dreamgirl or steal all your money and heart ROB depending on your choice of KBG. Don't settlle for any KBG just because she came up to you or mama chose a girl for you. Choose the one YOU WANT and INTERVIEW first before you decide to buy neko or not.

2. Set a KB spending limit for the night with a KB wallet that has no credit cards if you one LVB, no can say no, no mo will power, or small head thinker. The amount you put in your KB wallet up to you.

3. NEVER chase KBGs even if you one LVB. Once you do, they are the served and you are the server. Instead, jig your lure and use the carrot on stick IF you like the KBG. Most KBGs are not worth chasing.

4. IF you one LVB and wonder if a KBG truly likes you, SHE DOES NOT. IF she did, you would know as they make it clear when they do. (rare). Even if they have sex with you no mean she does as you probably #56 bar boyfriend of 200 or more.

5. NEVER assume your handsome looks and charm counts for anything. It doesn't at a KB as the most handsome, most charming, nice, and smart guy in the bar is the old ugly guy with the fat wallet and he hates money and likes to spend.

6. NEVER go in the SHAM-PAIN room. Some will disagree and there are exceptions but if sex is your goal, take out or AMP is a much better option. I sometimes go when others (high rollas) or the KBG pay (also rare). Play in the booth much more cost effective. It can cost thousands in the Shampain room for couple hours touchy feely karaoke unless you Chibi bro, LOL.

7. NEVER trade markers for neko. The 3 dolla versus 20 trade is for suckers. Just tip 3 bucks for the marker if you want to not feel obligated.

8. ALWAYS sit at the bar first if you are new to that bar and before you choose a KBG to sit with. Observe the KBGs at the well or booths first. When guys go directly to a booth when there are open bar sits, it indicates to bar staff you want company even if the company junk.

9. BE DIFFERENT than other KB patrons and try not to draw attention to yourself. Most of you might not understand this one but helps ALOT if you one KBG hunter. Look at every customer in the bar next time you go KB. KBGs are not attracted to regular KB goers.

ALWAYS buy Oldee beer. JOKE!!Good guidelines to follow.

Now the hard part is to be discipline to them.

And the advice is worth more than just beer.

Be safe

[Realdeal808]

These are some of mine that has served me very well over the years. As always, there are exceptions and YMMV.

1. CHOOSE WISELY or not at all. This is my #1 rule. You can find your freebie dreamgirl or steal all your money and heart ROB depending on your choice of KBG. Don't settlle for any KBG just because she came up to you or mama chose a girl for you. Choose the one YOU WANT and INTERVIEW first before you decide to buy neko or not.

2. Set a KB spending limit for the night with a KB wallet that has no credit cards if you one LVB, no can say no, no mo will power, or small head thinker. The amount you put in your KB wallet up to you.

3. NEVER chase KBGs even if you one LVB. Once you do, they are the served and you are the server. Instead, jig your lure and use the carrot on stick IF you like the KBG. Most KBGs are not worth chasing.

4. IF you one LVB and wonder if a KBG truly likes you, SHE DOES NOT. IF she did, you would know as they make it clear when they do. (rare). Even if they have sex with you no mean she does as you probably #56 bar boyfriend of 200 or more.

5. NEVER assume your handsome looks and charm counts for anything. It doesn't at a KB as the most handsome, most charming, nice, and smart guy in the bar is the old ugly guy with the fat wallet and he hates money and likes to spend.

6. NEVER go in the SHAM-PAIN room. Some will disagree and there are exceptions but if sex is your goal, take out or AMP is a much better option. I sometimes go when others (high rollas) or the KBG pay (also rare). Play in the booth much more cost effective. It can cost thousands in the Shampain room for couple hours touchy feely karaoke unless you Chibi bro, LOL.

7. NEVER trade markers for neko. The 3 dolla versus 20 trade is for suckers. Just tip 3 bucks for the marker if you want to not feel obligated.

8. ALWAYS sit at the bar first if you are new to that bar and before you choose a KBG to sit with. Observe the KBGs at the well or booths first. When guys go directly to a booth when there are open bar sits, it indicates to bar staff you want company even if the company junk.

9. BE DIFFERENT than other KB patrons and try not to draw attention to yourself. Most of you might not understand this one but helps ALOT if you one KBG hunter. Look at every customer in the bar next time you go KB. KBGs are not attracted to regular KB goers.

ALWAYS buy Oldee beer. JOKE!!

I happen to agree with a lot of these. Since I sometimes get problems with reading comprehension, maybe I should try to recap and see if I got it right yet. In summation, choose the right girl (that plays) before buying the first drink. Once u choose her, don't chase her (be coy). Once she's interested in u, don't assume that your looks, charm etc will keep her interested since she will follow the money to the "old ugly guy with da fat wallet". Even if u lucky enuf to get sex wit her, u probably only one of about 200 or more guys banging her. I got 'em right yet? Sounds like good reason NOT to go kb's!!!

[BeerAddict]

These are some of mine that has served me very well over the years. As always, there are exceptions and YMMV.

1. CHOOSE WISELY or not at all. This is my #1 rule. You can find your freebie dreamgirl or steal all your money and heart ROB depending on your choice of KBG. Don't settlle for any KBG just because she came up to you or mama chose a girl for you. Choose the one YOU WANT and INTERVIEW first before you decide to buy neko or not.

2. Set a KB spending limit for the night with a KB wallet that has no credit cards if you one LVB, no can say no, no mo will power, or small head thinker. The amount you put in your KB wallet up to you.

3. NEVER chase KBGs even if you one LVB. Once you do, they are the served and you are the server. Instead, jig your lure and use the carrot on stick IF you like the KBG. Most KBGs are not worth chasing.

4. IF you one LVB and wonder if a KBG truly likes you, SHE DOES NOT. IF she did, you would know as they make it clear when they do. (rare). Even if they have sex with you no mean she does as you probably #56 bar boyfriend of 200 or more.

5. NEVER assume your handsome looks and charm counts for anything. It doesn't at a KB as the most handsome, most charming, nice, and smart guy in the bar is the old ugly guy with the fat wallet and he hates money and likes to spend.

6. NEVER go in the SHAM-PAIN room. Some will disagree and there are exceptions but if sex is your goal, take out or AMP is a much better option. I sometimes go when others (high rollas) or the KBG pay (also rare). Play in the booth much more cost effective. It can cost thousands in the Shampain room for couple hours touchy feely karaoke unless you Chibi bro, LOL.

7. NEVER trade markers for neko. The 3 dolla versus 20 trade is for suckers. Just tip 3 bucks for the marker if you want to not feel obligated.

8. ALWAYS sit at the bar first if you are new to that bar and before you choose a KBG to sit with. Observe the KBGs at the well or booths first. When guys go directly to a booth when there are open bar sits, it indicates to bar staff you want company even if the company junk.

9. BE DIFFERENT than other KB patrons and try not to draw attention to yourself. Most of you might not understand this one but helps ALOT if you one KBG hunter. Look at every customer in the bar next time you go KB. KBGs are not attracted to regular KB goers.

ALWAYS buy Oldee beer. JOKE!!

I think your wise advice is worth WAY more than a beer. More like a case or even champagne. LOL Just think of all the guys who read this but don't contribute who are now going to save money now by taking this advice to heart? Tons of dudes will benefit. Thanks for always keeping it real Oldee. True master indeed.


Be safe brothers

[John Ross]

Just curious on how you got you SO. Did you hit it off immediately or it took some time? Were you the aggressor or she seduced you? NO need reply because.

It could be too personal. Hard because all the KBG's act like I get chance. Is it our inner spirit tht will tell us.

Finding a girlfriend was not in my plans as I had a grand old time going to bars and drinking with friends. Over time we became good friends and shit happens. It started off innocently with coffee at Starbucks and now I have one foot in the grave, two if she catches me fooling around. Hahaha! Now, the interesting part is her girlfriends know we live together, but some still proposition me. I don't know if they are testing me or if they really want to fool around. It sure is tempting!

[TrueTemper]

Finding a girlfriend was not in my plans as I had a grand old time going to bars and drinking with friends. Over time we became good friends and shit happens. It started off innocently with coffee at Starbucks and now I have one foot in the grave, two if she catches me fooling around. Hahaha! Now, the interesting part is her girlfriends know we live together, but some still proposition me. I don't know if they are testing me or if they really want to fool around. It sure is tempting!

Thanks JR. You are very educated but yet down to earth.

[John Ross]

I think I grew on her like a fungus. Hahaha!

Oldee's Rule #1 is very important as you must choose wisely. I chose wisely with this girlfriend, and she takes good care of me. When I'm sick, she takes me to the doctor and makes sure I take my meds, she makes me eat healthier foods (sometimes she buys funky Korean foods that I give in and try), buys me more fashionable clothes, takes care of the house...

[Ichigo808]

STOP Pussy footing around Grand Master Blasters! Got that off my chest finally! I'm in retirement somewhat but al this lala gaggling is driving me bonkers! Lol. Keep up da good work.

[Carmello]

Ss-.

Good ones. How about:

Thou shall NOT fall in love in a KB (unless the nani comes for free).Oh hell yeah. Thats the only rule you need to know really.

[Oldee]

I think your wise advice is worth WAY more than a beer. More like a case or even champagne. LOL Just think of all the guys who read this but don't contribute who are now going to save money now by taking this advice to heart? Tons of dudes will benefit. Thanks for always keeping it real Oldee. True master indeed.


Be safe brothersThanks guys, altho Ss and I haven't listed anything long time KB vets like yourself didn't already know. In fact, I'm quite sure you and JR etc know alot more than me regarding the KBGs' thinking as you've heard from the horse's mouth more than us regular KB patrons have. I never had a KBG GF or wanted one, hehe. I think our lists are more for newer KB goers and LVBs that maybe been blinded for years or decades, LOL. Here are few more that I forgot to list.

10. If you have a date with a KBG and think you scored, you didn't, SHE DID. Free meals and1 possible shopping for that 5 k bag etc, LOL. The 3 monthers especially date almost everyday and a LVB for lunch and another LVB for dinner is not uncommon.

11. If a KBG asks for your number and you gladly give it, it just means another guy to text and come give her money (nekos) at the bar. A hundred other guys will get the same texts you get.

12. The ultimate goal of any KB outing is not play or FS, what? NOPE. It is for you the KB customer to arrive home safely no matter your KB motives and objectives for the night. If you got sex before that better yet, hehe.

[Udakine]

Finding a girlfriend was not in my plans as I had a grand old time going to bars and drinking with friends. Over time we became good friends and shit happens. It started off innocently with coffee at Starbucks and now I have one foot in the grave, two if she catches me fooling around. Hahaha! Now, the interesting part is her girlfriends know we live together, but some still proposition me. I don't know if they are testing me or if they really want to fool around. It sure is tempting!JR,

You must be handsome, loaded or both.

Test the girlfriends back and see how they respond.

Be safe everyone.

And keep one eye on the prize and one hand on the wallet.

[BeerAddict]

In fact, I'm quite sure you and JR etc know alot more than me regarding the KBGs' thinking as you've heard from the horse's mouth more than us regular KB patrons have. I never had a KBG GF or wanted one, hehe. I think that we can all learn from each other, makes us customers stronger. Unlike, JR my relationship with my ex wasn't a smooth one. It started off great, did the whole marriage thing and then I saw the REAL her. Changed in a heartbeat. Put up with it in hopes of a future change but finally said that's enough. Luckily for her I had already set her up with a small business and some chump change so she never really had to go back to the bars full time. You can take the bar girl out of the bar but the bar and their instincts will ALWAYS remain buried inside. It's their survival skills and I truly believe its innate to some.

I'm really glad to see brothers like JR have a successful relationship like he has but I also know what the pain feels like when her friends start hitting up on you. That feeling of having one foot in the grave? I have already buried myself in the past and then some. Good luck to all the brothers out there who are actually seeking more than a bar girl relationship. It's not as easy as it seems and you may not get what you are really looking for. Overcoming the jealousy stage of her working at a bar is the easiest part. The tougher road lies ahead and for me, because I am Pabo, the road was as bumpy as a Waianae dirt road.

I agree that seeing the KBG's side from their perspective may be an advantage at times but it also heeds the way for you to start thinking about all the times in the past that a particular KBG tactic had worked on me. Makes you feel a little stupid and really pabo. One point in particular that Oldee mentioned that every bartender will do with her regulars. If you are given a marker early on and you end up buying her a 20 dollar drink, who really got the bargain? Definitely not you, but all bartenders will do so and majority of customers end up in the negative. PLUS, what can you really do with a bartender from across the bar? Unless of course you are setting her up for when she works the floor. Even then, consider your money thrown away for that night. Just my opinion guys from a former pabo king, not a commandment of course. LOL.

Be safe brothers.

[BeerAddict]

It started off innocently with coffee at Starbucks and now I have one foot in the grave, two if she catches me fooling around. Hahaha! Now, the interesting part is her girlfriends know we live together, but some still proposition me. I don't know if they are testing me or if they really want to fool around. It sure is tempting!JR, I feel your pain on both counts. Temptation is the most evil part of the bar isn't it? Well, besides the KBG's of course. LOL.

[Johnny14]

You can take the bar girl out of the bar but the bar and their instincts will ALWAYS remain buried inside. It's their survival skills and I truly believe its innate to some.


Be safe brothers.Hey just bang um for all you can get! Forget about the emotional attachment, just satisfy the head down under, you can do the same act as most KBG do just to separate your money from your wallet.

How many of them act so "innocent", saying to a potential bar fool "I don't have a boyfriend or husband", but in reality she's porking every swinging dick she's attracted to. Just hump um and leave um, its a game that you need to know how to play the same rules. Otherwise you're just a fool to be taken to the cleaners!

There may be a few who are geniune, but MONEY is a very strong motivator in the KBG scene. Like the saying "No money, no honey".

[TrueTemper]

Hey just bang um for all you can get! Forget about the emotional attachment, just satisfy the head down under, you can do the same act as most KBG do just to separate your money from your wallet.

How many of them act so "innocent", saying to a potential bar fool "I don't have a boyfriend or husband", but in reality she's porking every swinging dick she's attracted to. Just hump um and leave um, its a game that you need to know how to play the same rules. Otherwise you're just a fool to be taken to the cleaners!

There may be a few who are geniune, but MONEY is a very strong motivator in the KBG scene. Like the saying "No money, no honey".BA Thanks for making us stronger.

Everybody has oxytocin in the brain which is a feel good type of drug. I'ts addicting and causes emotional attachment to stay monogamous.

All women know we lust after them and some take advantage of it.

[John Ross]

JR,

You must be handsome, loaded or both.

Test the girlfriends back and see how they respond.

Be safe everyone.

And keep one eye on the prize and one hand on the wallet.Why does it always have to be handsome or loaded? I could be charming as hell, too. Hahaha!

Like I said before, I look like an older, out of shape Dean Cain, not the young Superman version. The girlfriends friends say I'm good looking, but I always thought of myself as average. What works for me is I was raised to treat everyone with respect, including bar girls. There are lots of customers that don't treat KBGs very well, and only look at them as chattel. Treating the girls with respect and as an equal, will go a long way. Many of them are friends to this day, and I prefer to have friends over girlfriends.

[BeerAddict]

Why does it always have to be handsome or loaded? I could be charming as hell, too. Hahaha!

Like I said before, I look like an older, out of shape Dean Cain, not the young Superman version. The girlfriends friends say I'm good looking, but I always thought of myself as average. What works for me is I was raised to treat everyone with respect, including bar girls. There are lots of customers that don't treat KBGs very well, and only look at them as chattel. Treating the girls with respect and as an equal, will go a long way. Many of them are friends to this day, and I prefer to have friends over girlfriends.As usual, thanks JR for your insight. You really are a very humble guy.

[Udakine]

I think that we can all learn from each other, makes us customers stronger. Unlike, JR my relationship with my ex wasn't a smooth one. It started off great, did the whole marriage thing and then I saw the REAL her. Changed in a heartbeat. Put up with it in hopes of a future change but finally said that's enough. Luckily for her I had already set her up with a small business and some chump change so she never really had to go back to the bars full time. You can take the bar girl out of the bar but the bar and their instincts will ALWAYS remain buried inside. It's their survival skills and I truly believe its innate to some.

I'm really glad to see brothers like JR have a successful relationship like he has but I also know what the pain feels like when her friends start hitting up on you. That feeling of having one foot in the grave? I have already buried myself in the past and then some. Good luck to all the brothers out there who are actually seeking more than a bar girl relationship. It's not as easy as it seems and you may not get what you are really looking for. Overcoming the jealousy stage of her working at a bar is the easiest part. The tougher road lies ahead and for me, because I am Pabo, the road was as bumpy as a Waianae dirt road.

I agree that seeing the KBG's side from their perspective may be an advantage at times but it also heeds the way for you to start thinking about all the times in the past that a particular KBG tactic had worked on me. Makes you feel a little stupid and really pabo. One point in particular that Oldee mentioned that every bartender will do with her regulars. If you are given a marker early on and you end up buying her a 20 dollar drink, who really got the bargain? Definitely not you, but all bartenders will do so and majority of customers end up in the negative. PLUS, what can you really do with a bartender from across the bar? Unless of course you are setting her up for when she works the floor. Even then, consider your money thrown away for that night. Just my opinion guys from a former pabo king, not a commandment of course. LOL.

Be safe brothers.BA-.

Good call on the kbg survival instinct. If they get the free ride (ie. Taken out of the bar by their sugar daddy), then they're all good, but when things start to breakdown, then they go back to what they do best (fishing for another sugar daddy in the kb). Then again, maybe that's the only thing they know how to do (to survive).

Be smart and stay safe bros.

[John Ross]

BA-.

Good call on the kbg survival instinct. If they get the free ride (ie. Taken out of the bar by their sugar daddy), then they're all good, but when things start to breakdown, then they go back to what they do best (fishing for another sugar daddy in the kb). Then again, maybe that's the only thing they know how to do (to survive).

Be smart and stay safe bros.The KBG survival instinct is really something. However, it is really sad when you see some girls making the same mistake over and over. They are popular, find a bf / sugar daddy and stop working. Bf / sd gets tired of them and they have to go back to work. Rinse and repeat. When they are too old for Kapiolani, they move to Kalihi.

[Oldee]

Why does it always have to be handsome or loaded? I could be charming as hell, too. Hahaha!

Like I said before, I look like an older, out of shape Dean Cain, not the young Superman version. The girlfriends friends say I'm good looking, but I always thought of myself as average. What works for me is I was raised to treat everyone with respect, including bar girls. There are lots of customers that don't treat KBGs very well, and only look at them as chattel. Treating the girls with respect and as an equal, will go a long way. Many of them are friends to this day, and I prefer to have friends over girlfriends.Yes, respect them as you would any other girl goes a long way in regards to what you get from them back. I have been lucky through the years having KBGs confide in me thier side of things and respect is VERY important to them, especially since they work bar and most are self conscience about it. This applies more so to you LVBs if you chasing your DKBG. When they get mad at you for buying that other KBG neko, it may not be just jealousy but that they feel you disrespect them as an example. Women logic hard to understand and KBG logic even harder, hehe. Being like the typical bargoer will get you typical bargoer results which is not so good. Be different and you may be pleasently surprised.

[HiLife808]

Yes, respect them as you would any other girl goes a long way in regards to what you get from them back. I have been lucky through the years having KBGs confide in me thier side of things and respect is VERY important to them, especially since they work bar and most are self conscience about it. This applies more so to you LVBs if you chasing your DKBG. When they get mad at you for buying that other KBG neko, it may not be just jealousy but that they feel you disrespect them as an example. Women logic hard to understand and KBG logic even harder, hehe. Being like the typical bargoer will get you typical bargoer results which is not so good. Be different and you may be pleasently surprised.As a veteran of the KBW (korean bar wars) I will attest to what Oldie's saying. There's an old saying "don't judge a book by it's cover" or in this case their profession. If you're going to treat them like a piece of meat just because of bad reputations KBG have, you will either get no where or robbed really quick. They hone their skills nightly and although they may have met you for the very first time they have already met players with your talent level or better. In other words they've been there, done that and it's hard (although not impossible) to beat them at their game. You just have to be patient to weed through the bs and robs to find someone that is genuine.

[Realdeal808]

Yes, respect them as you would any other girl goes a long way in regards to what you get from them back. I have been lucky through the years having KBGs confide in me thier side of things and respect is VERY important to them, especially since they work bar and most are self conscience about it. This applies more so to you LVBs if you chasing your DKBG. When they get mad at you for buying that other KBG neko, it may not be just jealousy but that they feel you disrespect them as an example. Women logic hard to understand and KBG logic even harder, hehe. Being like the typical bargoer will get you typical bargoer results which is not so good. Be different and you may be pleasently surprised.I'm a little confused. Can you clarify please? I thought you said earlier that "I'm the customer" and that we bargoers should let the kbg's know we are the boss. So if we want to buy a different girl a drink it's tuff shit for the first girl. Are you now saying to treat dem wit respect and not buy another girl a drink because it shows disrespect for the first girl? Seems a bit contradictory but I probably not reading correctly again. Anyway, can you clear this up please? Becuz I want to switch girls at one bar but not sure what to do now.

[H Mobius]

Why does it always have to be handsome or loaded? I could be charming as hell, too. Hahaha!

Like I said before, I look like an older, out of shape Dean Cain, not the young Superman version. The girlfriends friends say I'm good looking, but I always thought of myself as average. What works for me is I was raised to treat everyone with respect, including bar girls. There are lots of customers that don't treat KBGs very well, and only look at them as chattel. Treating the girls with respect and as an equal, will go a long way. Many of them are friends to this day, and I prefer to have friends over girlfriends.I'm charming as hell, but not handsome or loaded :) I'm sure you are all three, JR!

BGs only want the best of what is tangible; you won't see them with some crappy phone or generic handbag. "Broke and Ugly" doesn't work for them ;)

[Cunnivore]

I'm a little confused. Can you clarify please? I thought you said earlier that "I'm the customer" and that we bargoers should let the kbg's know we are the boss. So if we want to buy a different girl a drink it's tuff shit for the first girl. Are you now saying to treat dem wit respect and not buy another girl a drink because it shows disrespect for the first girl? Seems a bit contradictory but I probably not reading correctly again. Anyway, can you clear this up please? Becuz I want to switch girls at one bar but not sure what to do now.Are you serious? You taking this thread too seriously? Do whatever you want to do.

[Shipshape]

Oldee pretty much covered it in the KB reports section of our outing Saturday night. What he didn't mention was the celebrity look he was referring to was Mr. Ed or was it Ed Munster. Anyways, the guy has volumes of information and it was a good time had by all. It was great to finally meet some fellow forum members. I'd recommend it as we all have a base commonality of interest. Our group consisted of a wide range of age but, I think, a similar outlook on life. Have fun and don't give a crap about what "everybody" thinks. I'm thinking I can learn a lot from this gang and I'm old enough to be their father (in some cases). In fact, I am! Dragon-bro I've been meaning to tell you. LOL!

With regards to respect. Yup, couldn't agree more. If I get respect I give it back. My only major "pet peeve" is that untouched drinkee. As Oldee mentioned, choose wisely! In a new bar I always delay buying any KBG a drink until I have scoped the entire region (I'll tell a KBG when she makes that early / first approach "Not yet honey, I want to relax and have my beer first, maybe later, but, thank you for stopping by". When the target is acquired, then it becomes "her bar". AND its up to her (as warranted by her actions) whether or not I continue to buy drinkees. Of course it causes a problem when they shift around and wind up working at the same bar, but, I find the girl who has moved from her old bar to the new place will accept "Honey, I'm sorry but this is her bar, just like Club BiteMe was your bar". Seems to work for me anyways.

Ss.

[John Ross]

With regards to respect. Yup, couldn't agree more. If I get respect I give it back. My only major "pet peeve" is that untouched drinkee. As Oldee mentioned, choose wisely! In a new bar I always delay buying any KBG a drink until I have scoped the entire region (I'll tell a KBG when she makes that early / first approach "Not yet honey, I want to relax and have my beer first, maybe later, but, thank you for stopping by". When the target is acquired, then it becomes "her bar". AND its up to her (as warranted by her actions) whether or not I continue to buy drinkees. Of course it causes a problem when they shift around and wind up working at the same bar, but, I find the girl who has moved from her old bar to the new place will accept "Honey, I'm sorry but this is her bar, just like Club BiteMe was your bar". Seems to work for me anyways.

Ss.The "not yet honey" tactic works well because it is like not showing interest when buying a car. It gives you the edge as the girls know you are not a pushover / sucker. Many of the hot ones are not used to being turned down and it throws them off their game. Some have told me this and asked why I turned them down. I tell them I was enjoying talking to friends, and female company was not of the utmost importance. Now that we (the guys) have finished our conversation, we are free to converse with females.

Respect is interesting. You think you'll score points with a girl by buying her girlfriends drinks. WRONG! You buy the friends drinks, and she'll think you do this all the time. Buy drinks if / when she asks you to do so, but don't be a pushover. Ask why? You go along too easily and you lose her respect and she may see you as an ATM. It is a really fine line you have to walk. Get burned many times and you will learn. I know I did!

[Uki Eater]

I'm a little confused. Can you clarify please? I thought you said earlier that "I'm the customer" and that we bargoers should let the kbg's know we are the boss. So if we want to buy a different girl a drink it's tuff shit for the first girl. Are you now saying to treat dem wit respect and not buy another girl a drink because it shows disrespect for the first girl? Seems a bit contradictory but I probably not reading correctly again. Anyway, can you clear this up please? Becuz I want to switch girls at one bar but not sure what to do now.It's not that confusing. You can be the boss or at least be thinking like one and you still can respect the BG. It's not bossing them around in a blatant / aggressive / disrespectful manner but, knowing when to put your foot down if the bgs do get out of hand. This way, you don't get stepped on and be taken advantage of. You command respect but, your intention is not to be disrespectful.

[Realdeal808]

It's not that confusing. You can be the boss or at least be thinking like one and you still can respect the BG. It's not bossing them around in a blatant / aggressive / disrespectful manner but, knowing when to put your foot down if the bgs do get out of hand. This way, you don't get stepped on and be taken advantage of. You command respect but, your intention is not to be disrespectful.Yes I understand what you are saying. However, I'm referring to switching bar girls in the middle of the stream. I'm getting confused becuz of conflicting suggestions. I thought he said earlier that we the boss so if we like try be successful wit one other girl, go for it and too bad for the first one. But it seems now he saying to be successful, be different than typical bargoers and show respect by NOT buying new girl a drink. I'm assuming that means you will be successful becuz the kbg's will respect YOU for being "nice". So I confused. To switch or not to switch, that is the question.

[Kaina2076]

It's not that confusing. You can be the boss or at least be thinking like one and you still can respect the BG. It's not bossing them around in a blatant / aggressive / disrespectful manner but, knowing when to put your foot down if the bgs do get out of hand. This way, you don't get stepped on and be taken advantage of. You command respect but, your intention is not to be disrespectful.Saying essentially the same thing as Uki eater; It's not that difficult to do what you want to do, but just do it diplomatically with the utmost of respect. Countries do this all the time; getting what they want while at the same time not causing their adversaries to "lose face". It's not too difficult to give a reason for discontinuing one KBG. I. e. " I wanted this and this with you, but never happen and I respect you for it, but now I should give you some space. ". and come to the bar a few more times without buying anyone a drink. While all the time scheming on plan be. Maybe get the phone number from bar back. Or any of a dozen other scenarios. 2 cents.

Kaina.

[TrueTemper]

Yes I understand what you are saying. However, I'm referring to switching bar girls in the middle of the stream. I'm getting confused becuz of conflicting suggestions. I thought he said earlier that we the boss so if we like try be successful wit one other girl, go for it and too bad for the first one. But it seems now he saying to be successful, be different than typical bargoers and show respect by NOT buying new girl a drink. I'm assuming that means you will be successful becuz the kbg's will respect YOU for being "nice". So I confused. To switch or not to switch, that is the question.Like Kaina said maybe got to go a few time not buying anyone a drink. On your forehead has the first girl name on it some girls won't touch you out of respect. I even.

Had a Mama tell a other girl to not bother me while the one that I see often was not there.

[TrueTemper]

Drank with the Grand Masters. What they teach is so true about making the KBG's wait for the second Neko. Already on the interview thirty minute was stated and she knew I wasn't not going to keep my hands to myself. She drank fast and asked for another I reply the thirty miinute deal.

[TrueTemper]

Drank with the Grand Masters. What they teach is so true about making the KBG's wait for the second Neko. Already on the interview thirty minute was stated and she knew I wasn't not going to keep my hands to myself. She drank fast and asked for another I reply the thirty miinute deal.In order to get her next drink she became more frisky and let me play with her top outside the dress found out she had no bra on. Also started to get peewee.

A few taps to up sell me for heinkens cause she was thirsty still told her the thirty minutes is not up yet so wait a little bit more. I thought she would walk out.

But already invested to much time and the next neko was in sight for her. Long story short she told me she don't want me as a regular customer.

[TrueTemper]

In order to get her next drink she became more frisky and let me play with her top outside the dress found out she had no bra on. Also started to get peewee.

A few taps to up sell me for heinkens cause she was thirsty still told her the thirty minutes is not up yet so wait a little bit more. I thought she would walk out.

But already invested to much time and the next neko was in sight for her. Long story short she told me she don't want me as a regular customer.No HE but was super good fun last night. Thanks alot to Oldee, Getting Old, and Chibi. I going back to being a LVBPD for my DKBG.

[Oldee]

Are you serious? You taking this thread too seriously? Do whatever you want to do.Yes, you are right but no sense answer a post that was meant to bait members into arguments and any reply no matter how clear and understandable would satisfy the questioner even though everyone else understands there is no contradiction in being respectful and saying NO respectfully. An example of being DISrespectful is constant irrelevent questions and comments made from twisting words while NEVER answering questions posed by us or making a single KB report. This net negative contribution is not what this forum is about.

[Realdeal808]

Yes, you are right but no sense answer a post that was meant to bait members into arguments and any reply no matter how clear and understandable would satisfy the questioner even though everyone else understands there is no contradiction in being respectful and saying NO respectfully. An example of being DISrespectful is constant irrelevent questions and comments made from twisting words while NEVER answering questions posed by us or making a single KB report. This net negative contribution is not what this forum is about.That's what I thought. In legal terms, that's what's called an indefensible position. When a question is posed that can't be answered without f*and yourself over, the best tact is to try to babble on and attack the questioner with false comments to deflect attention from the real issue. Good job.

I wish we could have a candid discussion so that the readers can truly benefit from what's posted here instead of taking what's said here as Gospel. I'm posting hammered as I assume you were too. Happy Thanksgiving to All! I mean that, as I had a great time tonite with some Beauuutiful girls!

[Shipshape]

Yes, you are right but no sense answer a post that was meant to bait members into arguments and any reply no matter how clear and understandable would satisfy the questioner even though everyone else understands there is no contradiction in being respectful and saying NO respectfully. An example of being DISrespectful is constant irrelevent questions and comments made from twisting words while NEVER answering questions posed by us or making a single KB report. This net negative contribution is not what this forum is about.Oldee, as usual you're spot-on. There are indeed ways to say NO to anyone and still maintain a level of respectfulness. MOST adults have this learned skill. As far as your example of Disrespect predicted, well reading the retort pretty much RESTED Your Case. Of course it was not unexpected and continues the saga. Perhaps the 15 minutes of fame clock has now run timed out.

On another note, saw one of Dragons buddies in action the other night. The girl wanted a $40 beer. He told her no politely 3 times. She tried to reach for his wallet even. He maintained his cool and she gave up. I don't think it had anything to do with the fact that I was rubbing her butt at the time. Hey if I can help a guy out, I do. LOL.

Ss.

[Realdeal808]

Oldee, as usual you're spot-on. There are indeed ways to say NO to anyone and still maintain a level of respectfulness. MOST adults have this learned skill. As far as your example of Disrespect predicted, well reading the retort pretty much RESTED Your Case. Of course it was not unexpected and continues the saga. Perhaps the 15 minutes of fame clock has now run timed out.

On another note, saw one of Dragons buddies in action the other night. The girl wanted a $40 beer. He told her no politely 3 times. She tried to reach for his wallet even. He maintained his cool and she gave up. I don't think it had anything to do with the fact that I was rubbing her butt at the time. Hey if I can help a guy out, I do. LOL.

Ss.If you really thought that was spot-on, I regretfully and respectfully must say that you are quite as deluded as the original author. The issue was the confusion over the apparently contradictory suggestions of switching and not switching bar girls in order to be successful at kb's. It was NOT whether it's possible to respectfully say "no" to a bar girl's request for a drinkie. I believe I already know how to do that. By the way, I believe respect is not as much a "learned skill" as much as it is a "value" to live by.

Maybe some people should keep up with the flow of traffic or move to the rightmost lane as the sign suggests.

[Getting Old]

Maybe some people should keep up with the flow of traffic or move to the rightmost lane as the sign suggests.Being young you don't seem to respect anyone but your opinion, and you seem to be so full of yourself. I took you off my ignore list when I saw this post but you still don't get it. Everyone knows you just BS and all your posts really say nothing. When are you going to get with the program and start contributing something meaningful.

Common sense dictates and anyone who has been going to the bars for awhile knows that if you see one kb at one bar you don't start chasing another kb in the same bar unless you want to get double teamed and that is the best scenario. IN the past the kb used to fight over their good bread and butter customers. I not proud of it but in my younger days I was the center of at least of one of those cat fights. One kb went to the hospital and had to get stitches. . does that answer your question? You don't change your selection unless you prepared for some hard feelings toward you or the new person you sitting with cause she going be labeled as stealing so and so customer. GROW UP and use your common sense (anyone who has a modicum of bar experience would know that) . The next question before you ask what if she moves bars? Well the bar scene as anyone knows is fluid. The KB maybe working here one day the next she gone to another bar or something happened and the mama said bye-bye. Who care as long as you get the service you looking for (another brother already gave this scenario and the right tact to get out of the situation). MONEY talks! And BULL WALKS! Oldee can show you ways to save money but you keep questioning him why? If you don't like what he says just ignore the post you the one asking for help not us. Asking all these questions shows us you are very inexperienced or pretend to be so start sharing or go into lurk mode. This is just a suggestion.

Oldee is probably laughing at me for this but he knows guys like you tick me off. It is time you get up to speed and start contributing to this forum or shut up!

The other brothers just lurking watching you make pabo, Oldee got your number a long time ago as well as some other brothers who pm me I just thought you would like to know. There is a difference in spending money and throwing your money away I have been spending money to reestablish my contacts and make new ones. Throwing your money away, is chasing a woman you know you have no chance with and I have been guilty of that also most recently at 74 . The guys know who, but the fun was in the chase. You need to know when to cut it and being able to cut it at the time it needs to be cut. This takes practice and resolve, wishy washy doesn't cut it.

One last thing I asked Matt (Yuri's mama's brother) who would he choose if he was to get a girlfriend from one of Yuri's girls. He told me none. I think he knows better than any of us here on the forum but the Korean Bar is fantasy land for adults. You don't spend more than you can afford just like Las Vegas (I assume you over 21). I assume you work so you need to allocate your finances accordingly (you need to have some money but respect your money and spend wisely). The bar regulars are just that regular they just migrate to different bars but it's usually the same crowd or crowds. Oldee and the other senior members are tried and true commodities in the bar because they bring in new customers and business to the bars it is also nice to drink with people who have a different opinion (don't even think of inviting me to go out). We have a common bond the KB's but my patience with you and another on this forum is at an end. Guys going back to lurk mode (famous last words) but these younger guys talk the talk but can't walk the walk. I know I know but this guy and another one bugs the hell out of me. No respect. For the record I am particular who I drink with and you do not have my respect.

[Oldee]

It's been an honor drinking with you and good fun as well as educational. I know I tried to get you out of your comfort zone a bit too much but was all good. If there was a picture definition of LVB and why KBs exist, it would be a pic of you bro. THANKS! I hope you taking your KB hiatus doesn't mean we won't drink together again.

No worry about the BS attention seekers. Even they will get tired of thier own broken record same BS / argument seeking posts when they wake up. I am reminded of that children's story the Emperor's new clothes. The only difference between the story and this forum is that NOONE was fooled. That is why they NEVER ask for feedback on thier own posts. Just remember that this thread prides itself on being good tiolet seat reading material, LOL. Eh Ss, you and me one of the few got to join the losers and delutional clubs, LOL.

Proud delutional loser Oldee.

[Shipshape]

It's been an honor drinking with you and good fun as well as educational. I know I tried to get you out of your comfort zone a bit too much but was all good. If there was a picture definition of LVB and why KBs exist, it would be a pic of you bro. THANKS! I hope you taking your KB hiatus doesn't mean we won't drink together again.

No worry about the BS attention seekers. Even they will get tired of thier own broken record same BS / argument seeking posts when they wake up. I am reminded of that children's story the Emperor's new clothes. The only difference between the story and this forum is that NOONE was fooled. That is why they NEVER ask for feedback on thier own posts. Just remember that this thread prides itself on being good tiolet seat reading material, LOL. Eh Ss, you and me one of the few got to join the losers and delutional clubs, LOL.

Proud delutional loser Oldee.Hey Oldee "Respect your elders!" Didn't your parents TEACH you that? LOL Seriously, I must say that I VALUE being in that club, and you forget Oldee, that not only am I a delusional loser, I am also an accused KB owner and suffer from extreme reading comprehension deficit disorder. Oh and I respectfully consider the BS attention seekers full of respectful BS. LOL Who is honking that horn? Sheesh zoom by, young turk, and flush out the cops for me, your 15 minutes have timed out.

Respectfully submitted for your consideration.

SS.

[Ichigo808]

#1 fkn rule already. Once you walk, stumble, drag, or however you get or should I say "we" get our stooopid asses into any frickin establishment. You are the fkn BARS customer! Get that through all your fkn thick fkn skulls already and shut the fck up! On a brighter note drinking was fun today although the game sucked nuts. How about that for a post eh? What the fck is wrong with u fkn asswipes? I going quit going out to drink cause you all just killing the atmosphere from here on. Wink wink. You all better take a fkn chill pill either down your throat or up your asses! And that's all I'm going to say about that!

[Realdeal808]

Don't forget some of us are not tech savy so don't know about iPhones, Androids, etc. LOL. No make me scad bro, LOL. Actually, KBGs already get the garans "Buy Me Drink" App. Its called: Hi, hunnee, can you stop by tonight? TEXT. Whenever they want neko, they text stuff like: I miss you, Have a nice day, Can I see you tonight? Etc etc. LOL. That's why I tell KBGs I no mo SMART phone, I get STUPID phone no take text msg or non work calls, LOL. From way back in the day, I have NEVER needed to to call a KBG to tell her I coming. If she busy, try different girl or go second shift. If a KBG got your cell phone number, Oldee going think you one LVB, LOL. Its ok, a lot of my friends told KBGs thier numbers, good fun tease them when they get texts, LOL.Third to last sentence. Contradictory to more recent post? I believe so.

[Admin2]

I tried an experiment here because of the special restrictions that Jax had laid on Honolulu. Almost immediately a troll popped up and the arguments have pretty much hijacked the thread. I'm curious about how many of you guys may have added him to your ignore list?

Do you guys think Honolulu would benefit from a dedicated "fight" thread? If I put one up would you guys ONLY put on the gloves in that thread and leave the review and specialty thread for exchanging information? If I do it are there any suggestions for names?

Just curious.

A2

[Kaina2076]

I tried an experiment here because of the special restrictions that Jax had laid on Honolulu. Almost immediately a troll popped up and the arguments have pretty much hijacked the thread. I'm curious about how many of you guys may have added him to your ignore list?

Do you guys think Honolulu would benefit from a dedicated "fight" thread? If I put one up would you guys ONLY put on the gloves in that thread and leave the review and specialty thread for exchanging information? If I do it are there any suggestions for names?

Just curious.

A2The concept has merit. However, how would one determine when a discussion degenerated into an argument "fight"? I feel it would be impossible to administer. If admin thinks they can run a "fight" thread and are willing to try. Give it a shot. No harm done. It might turn out great.

Kaina.

[Admin2]

The concept has merit. However, how would one determine when a discussion degenerated into an argument "fight"? I feel it would be impossible to administer. If admin thinks they can run a "fight" thread and are willing to try. Give it a shot. No harm done. It might turn out great.

Kaina.There are several on the forum now. Cincinnati has The Octagon, Boston has The Massholes, each one sort of has a name. I relax the argumentative rules on the fight threads. Most of the other rules still apply, you can't talk about chicks getting arrested, no STD reports, no real personal info, no threats of violence, but you can tell guys they are stupid, call them assholes, you know argue.

As far as policing it, when a city gets a fight thread there is ZERO tolerance for douchy shit in the review threads. The first time somebody starts some shit I put them on moderation. Shit to me is defined as stuff that would piss me off if somebody said it to me, I admit it's subjective. I rely on the membership to report the posts. If some guy says something douchey don't respond, just report it.

In most of the other cities it has followed a pattern, at first everybody settles scores, then they kind of settle down to mostly social threads with the occasional flare up into train wrecks that are oddly compelling to read.

I'd like to get rid of the Honolulu notice up there. While you guys live in a paradise you seem to have a propensity for yelling at each other, I'd like to figure out an outlet that doesn't force me to ban guys.

A2

[Realdeal808]

I ask that you consider this: I am asking legitimate questions that are probably in the minds of a lot of readers who are too hesitant to ask. If this forum is meant to help guys in their hobby, shouldn't they get straight info rather than confusing info? Also, some posts sound too good to be true like $60 BJ's from princess type hotties. Seems like a question regarding validity would not be inappropriate here. But if you question a senior member even on a matter such as that, it's probable that you will get ganged up on and chastised by other senior members. In other words, just trying to keep it real for the majority of readers here that are wondering but too afraid to ask.

[Uki Eater]

I'd like to get rid of the Honolulu notice up there. While you guys live in a paradise you seem to have a propensity for yelling at each other, I'd like to figure out an outlet that doesn't force me to ban guys.

A2Is the Honolulu thread the only thread that has the yellow banner notice? I looked up other cities and they don't have that warning.

[Oldee]

I tried an experiment here because of the special restrictions that Jax had laid on Honolulu. Almost immediately a troll popped up and the arguments have pretty much hijacked the thread. I'm curious about how many of you guys may have added him to your ignore list?

Do you guys think Honolulu would benefit from a dedicated "fight" thread? If I put one up would you guys ONLY put on the gloves in that thread and leave the review and specialty thread for exchanging information? If I do it are there any suggestions for names?

Just curious.

A2I have spoken in person with many forum members at the KBs about the troller as well as in PMs with other forum brothers since he started. Without exception, all understand his BS and selfish motives. While they may not be putting him on ignore, they avoid replying to avoid his baiting and read what to them are funny stuff thinking members don't know BS when they read it but the joke is on him, hehe.

The Korean Hostess Bar is very unique with a culture like no other hostess bars in the world. Its not just a buy me drinkie place like other hostess bars and I been to many in many countries. With 40+ KBs in Honolulu, its probably the most patronized mongering venue in Hawaii but the nature of the KBs venue itself forum wise attracks lurkers more than posters not easily explained.

Sorry for digressing but I'd like to see this thread like it is with the slightly relaxed rules and see how it goes as I think we can police ourselves as previous KB trollers generally go away after awhile. KB vets can smell BS from the first post and that goes for KB lurkers too. It can also be a test model should a fight thread be called for. As always, IMHO.

[Getting Old]

I tried an experiment here because of the special restrictions that Jax had laid on Honolulu. Almost immediately a troll popped up and the arguments have pretty much hijacked the thread. I'm curious about how many of you guys may have added him to your ignore list?

Do you guys think Honolulu would benefit from a dedicated "fight" thread? If I put one up would you guys ONLY put on the gloves in that thread and leave the review and specialty thread for exchanging information? If I do it are there any suggestions for names?

Just curious.

A2I am sorry I lost my temper and went on the rant. At my age I know better but this guy and another pretender just got my goat. So in other words this person won this battle with me but has lost the war. I just got a PM from another brother on the forum and he suggested we do what we did to the other person who writes like him mainly ignore this guy. I suggest we follow this persons PM, and do what I knew when I was pissed (that I should ignore him. As Oldee suggested). He is not interested in contributing to the forum so his rants, raves, questions, retorts should all go unanswered.

This person has already sent a smart ass question to my PM and I will just say I do not respond to people I have no respect for. I ask for the memberships help and do not, I repeat do not get drawn into an argument with this guy as he has little experience and doesn't wish to gain any from those in the know. He is wasting all of out time and energy.

Ad2 I am sorry for causing more work again for you and I apologize to you from the bottom of my heart. We do live in a paradise and it's unfortunate but even here in paradise we have this type of blogger on behalf of myself and the other brothers I have met and am sure feel the same way please do not take this as indicative of us and the Aloha spirit which believe it or not is still alive in some of us. Mahalo for your assistance and intervention before the mass ban. This guy will be on my ignore list again thanks for your assistance. Again!

[Redneck 1]

If I do it are there any suggestions for names? Maybe the name of a new flaming and fighting thread for Hawaii could be "Hot Lava" or "Volcanic Eruptions," LOL.

[Admin2]

Is the Honolulu thread the only thread that has the yellow banner notice? I looked up other cities and they don't have that warning.Honolulu is the only city on the forum with this restriction. Jackson put it up because you guys were relentless.


I ask that you consider this: I am asking legitimate questions that are probably in the minds of a lot of readers who are too hesitant to ask. If this forum is meant to help guys in their hobby, shouldn't they get straight info rather than confusing info? Also, some posts sound too good to be true like $60 BJ's from princess type hotties. Seems like a question regarding validity would not be inappropriate here. But if you question a senior member even on a matter such as that, it's probable that you will get ganged up on and chastised by other senior members. In other words, just trying to keep it real for the majority of readers here that are wondering but too afraid to ask.This isn't in blue so it's me the guy not the god like presence who works here.

I don't believe this to be true, I reviewed your posts. I think you're just posting to bait guys into fighting. I also think you have had other screen names. I would say that guys like you are the bane of forums like this but without guys like you I wouldn't have a job, so I appreciate all the hard work you do.

A2.

[Shipshape]

Do you guys think Honolulu would benefit from a dedicated "fight" thread? If I put one up would you guys ONLY put on the gloves in that thread and leave the review and specialty thread for exchanging information? If I do it are there any suggestions for names?

Just curious.

A2Hey A2 maybe a slight relaxation of the rules on the discussion threads would take care of it. The slight relaxation would be the ability to call BS when you see it right next to the BS post. E. G. "I don't buy any drinks for the girls. They buy me drinks and then we go home together yah just got to know how to play the game" or some such BS. Many of us have actually held back (believe it or not) trying to avoid the dreaded banning as we have been on this forum for a long time. Note that we attempt to answer the troll without directly using the reply to post. Just don't know if a "fight thread" would be helpful, although it would maybe be a nice place to vent once in awhile. As you mentioned, it may make for a fun read while I take my morning dump.

1. You like beef? 2. What! 3. False Crack 4. Stink-eye are a few title suggestions. Translated 1. You want to fight 2. What delivered aggressively is a fighting word 3. Guy takes a swing at you unexpectedly 4. It's that look you give a guy when you say What or You Like Beef or you're disgusted with his behavior.

On another note, it would help just a bit to know posters have various forum names, not to say they are listed or anything, just some sort of symbol that indicates an IP address that has multiples. Or something like that.

Just a couple of cents.

Ss.

[Realdeal808]

Hey A2 maybe a slight relaxation of the rules on the discussion threads would take care of it. The slight relaxation would be the ability to call BS when you see it right next to the BS post. E. G. "I don't buy any drinks for the girls. They buy me drinks and then we go home together yah just got to know how to play the game" or some such BS. Many of us have actually held back (believe it or not) trying to avoid the dreaded banning as we have been on this forum for a long time. Note that we attempt to answer the troll without directly using the reply to post. Just don't know if a "fight thread" would be helpful, although it would maybe be a nice place to vent once in awhile. As you mentioned, it may make for a fun read while I take my morning dump.

1. You like beef? 2. What! 3. False Crack 4. Stink-eye are a few title suggestions. Translated 1. You want to fight 2. What delivered aggressively is a fighting word 3. Guy takes a swing at you unexpectedly 4. It's that look you give a guy when you say What or You Like Beef or you're disgusted with his behavior.

On another note, it would help just a bit to know posters have various forum names, not to say they are listed or anything, just some sort of symbol that indicates an IP address that has multiples. Or something like that.

Just a couple of cents.

Ss.So much angst. Like Aaron Rodgers said, "are-E-L-A-X".

Just a few notes, opinions, and observations:

Still don't understand why it's so hard for some to believe that I've had some freebies (takeout) with kbg's. Again, as I've said, it doesn't work with all kbg's but it does happen time to time. It all comes down to chemistry. And that IS the real game in my opinion, whether you agree or not. Just not into chasing takeout with money. Heck, anyone can do that I think. If some of the naysayers are "older" as they claim, didn't you ever experience that earlier in mongering days? If not, then I understand. But I would guess you all HAVE had a freebie before with a kbg.

As you suggest, SS, I would be all for relaxing the restrictions so that BS could be called on posts. Watch out what you wish for tho, becuz some of your senior chums may have to cut back on their posts or face being called out. Probably should do that on the Korean Bar thread as well, because that's where BS is just as if not more likely to happen.

Regarding credibility, I saw an earlier post where a purported "Master" said something to the effect of everyone who went drinking with him achieved sexual play at a "cheap price" if that's what they wanted. So I was wondering where are the reports with names, places, and damage? Haven't seen any. Not saying these didn't happen but how you criticize me? Seems like pot calling kettle black.

Admin 2: while I don't agree with your conclusions regarding my posts, I understand that they are subjective. And for the record I wasn't trying to bait people into arguments, just stating my opinion and trying to keep it real. By the way, I never had another screen name prior to my current one. Just starting reading this forum shortly before my first post. I am curious tho; what are the other screen names that you think I had before?

That's all folks.

[John Ross]

Do you guys think Honolulu would benefit from a dedicated "fight" thread? If I put one up would you guys ONLY put on the gloves in that thread and leave the review and specialty thread for exchanging information? If I do it are there any suggestions for names?

Just curious.

A2I don't think it is necessary. If we had such a thread, things would still spill over into other threads and you have the same old crap going on. We're all adults, or at least I hope we are. I read what some people post and while I may think it is full of crap, others may think it has merit. If I think it is crap, I ignore them, and take whatever they write with a grain of salt. Why expend the energy to argue?

[Admin2]

I read what some people post and while I may think it is full of crap, others may think it has merit. If I think it is crap, I ignore them, and take whatever they write with a grain of salt. Why expend the energy to argue?This is perfect!


The slight relaxation would be the ability to call BS when you see it right next to the BS post. E. G. "I don't buy any drinks for the girls. They buy me drinks and then we go home together yah just got to know how to play the game" or some such BS. Many of us have actually held back (believe it or not) trying to avoid the dreaded banning as we have been on this forum for a long time.Brother this is exactly the problem. When you call BS then they have to respond, then 10 other guys call BS. Then the calling of BS becomes the LARGEST amount of BS on the forum and our lurkers have to read through PAGES of arguments to get to the reviews. As with all forums our lurkers outnumber posters by about 4-1. At first glance that doesn't seem fair but our advertisers are really paying more for them then they are for you guys. Since advertising keeps the forum free for the participants in the end it's a fair deal for everybody and I get paid and can get more pussy which puts me in a better frame of mind and I'm the nice admin, not the evil admin.

If you think somebody is full of shit, click their name, click "add to ignore list" and the problem is solved for all time. If the post violates the guidelines use the report post button. Arguing with anybody about anything on a pussy board is just fucking dumb IMHO.

I appreciate you guys taking the time to answer. I'm just trying to figure out what will be the best for all the parties concerned. Me, (always first I'm a selfish bastard) Advertisers (they pay the bills, no money no servers, no servers no USASG) Participants (the forum would be boring as hell without you guys) and Lurkers (shout out to the silent majority that attracts the advertisers)

A2

[Asstro]

This is perfect!

Brother this is exactly the problem. When you call BS then they have to respond, then 10 other guys call BS. Then the calling of BS becomes the LARGEST amount of BS on the forum and our lurkers have to read through PAGES of arguments to get to the reviews. As with all forums our lurkers outnumber posters by about 4-1. At first glance that doesn't seem fair but our advertisers are really paying more for them then they are for you guys. Since advertising keeps the forum free for the participants in the end it's a fair deal for everybody and I get paid and can get more pussy which puts me in a better frame of mind and I'm the nice admin, not the evil admin.

If you think somebody is full of shit, click their name, click "add to ignore list" and the problem is solved for all time. If the post violates the guidelines use the report post button. Arguing with anybody about anything on a pussy board is just fucking dumb IMHO.

I appreciate you guys taking the time to answer. I'm just trying to figure out what will be the best for all the parties concerned. Me, (always first I'm a selfish bastard) Advertisers (they pay the bills, no money no servers, no servers no USASG) Participants (the forum would be boring as hell without you guys) and Lurkers (shout out to the silent majority that attracts the advertisers)

A2I am a Lurker / LVB, male, 20 - 60 year old, six figure disposable income. Now I feel wanted, just like when I go KBar. This thread already is called "Ridiculous Arguments", and is great toilet seat entertainment reading. Monger on!

Even though it's the "ridiculous argument thread" I must point out that with 192 posts you are not a lurker sir.

A2

[Uki Eater]

I am sorry I lost my temper and went on the rant. At my age I know better but this guy and another pretender just got my goat.That's alright man. It's just a forum to read when bored. Don't let it get to you and be able to roll with the punches. On other discussion forums, it can get heated and there's flaming among posters when they discuss a certain topic. That's how it is. You get thick-skinned when you can tolerate things and not get easily offended.

[Realdeal808]

This person has already sent a smart ass question to my PM and I will just say I do not respond to people I have no respect for. I ask for the memberships help and do not, I repeat do not get drawn into an argument with this guy as he has little experience and doesn't wish to gain any from those in the know. He is wasting all of out time and energy.

Ad2 I am sorry for causing more work again for you and I apologize to you from the bottom of my heart. We do live in a paradise and it's unfortunate but even here in paradise we have this type of blogger on behalf of myself and the other brothers I have met and am sure feel the same way please do not take this as indicative of us and the Aloha spirit which believe it or not is still alive in some of us. Mahalo for your assistance and intervention before the mass ban. This guy will be on my ignore list again thanks for your assistance. Again!To clarify, the only PM I sent to you was not a smart ass question. As usual, it was a legitimate question that you misinterpreted. I asked you to clarify what you meant by "Oldee and others got my number a long time ago" in your previous post. I asked "what number would that be?" in my pm. How is that a smart ass question. I thought you were implying a threat with knowledge of some kind of number belonging to me. If you reread your post, that's what it looks like. That's all.

[Shipshape]

I was thinking that the KB count from say around 1980 or so is down about 75%. Am I thinking wrong or is that about the right percentage?

If so, and with rail incoming, I would think the Kapiolani bars will soon move to the "gone but not forgotten" side of the ledger.

Ss.

[TrueTemper]

To clarify, the only PM I sent to you was not a smart ass question. As usual, it was a legitimate question that you misinterpreted. I asked you to clarify what you meant by "Oldee and others got my number a long time ago" in your previous post. I asked "what number would that be?" in my pm. How is that a smart ass question. I thought you were implying a threat with knowledge of some kind of number belonging to me. If you reread your post, that's what it looks like. That's all.Go get um Tiger!! Soo funny reading all this. Eh go set me up with your freebies!

[H Mobius]

I was thinking that the KB count from say around 1980 or so is down about 75%. Am I thinking wrong or is that about the right percentage?

Ss.Beats me. All's I know is I miss the plethora of bars that were on Kamaile Street as well as the strip bars (including Top Gun) that were across Keeaumoku McDonald's.

On another note, when I'm in someone else's house I try to be on my best behavior. I do not treat another man's home as if it were my own.

There is such a thing as being a bad guest.

[Kaina2076]

I was thinking that the KB count from say around 1980 or so is down about 75%. Am I thinking wrong or is that about the right percentage?

If so, and with rail incoming, I would think the Kapiolani bars will soon move to the "gone but not forgotten" side of the ledger.

Ss.I agree that the KB count is significantly off from the glory days of the Japanese Bubble. I believe the "Bubble" ran from approx mid 80's to early 90's (92 or 93). In those days you would see tour groups of Japanese business men arrive by limo in groups of 10-15, be ushered into a room and emerge about 1. 5 hours later having dropped $10,000 and head on to another bar. It was crazy. Actually I much prefer the pace of things now. The average local guy carries a lot more weight as opposed to those times.

I don't follow your logic as to how the rail will adversely affect the KB scene. In that I am currently nursing a DUI, I have been wondering if the advent of the rail, might not help me (and others) get around a bit better between town and Kalihi and as such be a help to the bars. Just wondering.

Kaina.

[Oldee]

I was thinking that the KB count from say around 1980 or so is down about 75%. Am I thinking wrong or is that about the right percentage?

If so, and with rail incoming, I would think the Kapiolani bars will soon move to the "gone but not forgotten" side of the ledger.

Ss.Actually, its more like 90% in the Koreamoku area as there were 140+ KBs back then. I never been to them all and wish I had. Bars like the current Mistys and Cache once were a combo of Strip bar with Chinese, Veitnamese, Korean and local girls working same bar. Of course no such thing as cover and imo the strippers were much hotter than today's ones altho they were not everyday workers like the hostesses.

Rail? Don't get me started as I can talk about it for hours and days to every technical point and engeneering detail, LOL. Its a BS "FAKEDEAL" shibai that going cost the next generation billions in taxes for 20 stations and its ancient 200 yr old technology. 4 K in today's dollars for EVERY man women and child in Hawaii but probalbly double when finished. We one island, not NY or Tokyo ffs. The kicker is traffic will be worse when done as it is now and they admit it but rail was always about money and politics, not transportation relief. Not good for the bars as urban development will push them out. Only hope is they take long time like H3 which was estimated to take less than 2 years to build but took 30 and 10 times original estimate cost, LOL.

Kaina bro, I think Kalihi will be the future town KB place current town bars move to if KBs are to survive.

Eh TT, when you going learn
? I told you trolls NEVER show themselves under any circumstances. They only TAKE, never give. You will NEVER get any useful help or contribution from them so no waste time wishimg for the impossible and giving the troll excuse to post more BS.

[Realdeal808]

Ultimate goals: If all customers were to adhere to a policy of only pay for play, well then I am afraid that soon the bars would be all dead as most, if not all, of the eye candy would disappear. Most of the KBG's from the "good ole days" are gone or 60yrs (old) plus. This new crop of kbg's never heard of 5 or 10 dollar drinkees. Korea ain't what it used to be and a lot of these KBG's are here to make some fast cash and then split. Do we really want all the customers wise to tactics? Seems to me we need a lot of guys walking in for the first time and dropping 20's all over the place, especially on Friday and Saturday nights. Then when the KBG's have made their bottom-line survival money the "enlightened ones" can swoop in on the off-nights for play. What I'm trying to say is we need a mass of easy money for the girls so they'll stay and tell their friends to come to the KB scene in Hawaii. The more the merrier of course. If the girls can't make a living well I'd be willing to bet they'll leave the business. I don't want that so I encourage guys to spend, spend, spend the money."Hey I think she really likes you". Of course that's bar conversation (plus I can pull my buddies out of trouble anytime, if they want and only when they want).

Assuming the worst (all the KB's close due to not having the massive base of drinkee buyers aka lvbs) who do you figure the next 3rd world country of immigrants to be that may help sustain the industry (what with Korea no longer in that category)? Cambodia? Malaysia? Detroit?

Think we need to ask ourselves once in awhile. What is the goal, what are the consequences of reaching said goal. It's like the guy who has a hard-on against gambling machines. What the point? Yes, they are illegal. Yes, they do rip off people. Yes, some are addicted to them. Yes, they Do Not grab you and force you to play them. So you want the FBI to sting all the bars that have them? Net result. Bars close, girls get green card checked, girls leave. All KB's have some form of illegal activity (even if it's just a grease-trap violation or the water is not hot enough). I guess my point is who cares? For KB's it's quite simply "buyer beware".

Two years later, same opinion, same game. God bless all lvbs, gettem drunk boys cause SS is on his way! LOL.

SsAhhh, NOW I understand why some members are hating on my "freebie" way of thinking.

[Kim Chee Hu]

Eh TT, when you going learn
? I told you trolls NEVER show themselves under any circumstances. They only TAKE, never give. You will NEVER get any useful help or contribution from them so no waste time wishimg for the impossible and giving the troll excuse to post more BS.The first rule on internet forums is "Do not feed the trolls!"

[Admin2]

The first rule on internet forums is "Do not feed the trolls!"You can't beat trolls to death, you can only starve them out.

[Shipshape]

I don't follow your logic as to how the rail will adversely affect the KB scene. In that I am currently nursing a DUI, I have been wondering if the advent of the rail, might not help me (and others) get around a bit better between town and Kalihi and as such be a help to the bars. Just wondering.

Kaina.Pretty much Oldee answered it. The TOD (transit oriented development) will force rent prices up around ALL of the stations (too include Kalihi). Higher rents equals the bars move or close. In Japan, property prices rise exponentially the closer you are to a station. Prior to final alignment of the rail a lot of big spenders were pushing their area for station locations. AND, I would suspect, property buying occurred with a sort of "insider trading" information or political payoff scenario. Its the old follow the money syndrome. Same type of thing occurred when Fasi first pushed for rail. Own the property near a future station? You're going to make big bucks off that turf.

Ss.

[Kaina2076]

Pretty much Oldee answered it. The TOD (transit oriented development) will force rent prices up around ALL of the stations (too include Kalihi). Higher rents equals the bars move or close. In Japan, property prices rise exponentially the closer you are to a station. Prior to final alignment of the rail a lot of big spenders were pushing their area for station locations. AND, I would suspect, property buying occurred with a sort of "insider trading" information or political payoff scenario. Its the old follow the money syndrome. Same type of thing occurred when Fasi first pushed for rail. Own the property near a future station? You're going to make big bucks off that turf.

Ss.Got it SS, Thanks. With higher rents in the rail vicinity the KB's will be forced to find new digs thereby forcing them in many cases to re-locate or close. Koreamoku being already fairly saturated will definitely have the most fall out while Kalihi probably still has a little bit more room to expand but sufficiently away from the path of the rail. Thereby making Kalihi the possible Koreamoku of the future. Conjecture of course, but plausible I think. IMHO I think the KB's won't close but will move and adapt. As will the mongers.

Kaina.

P.S.: I'm enjoying this non-troll discussion.

[Lualualei808]

Actually, its more like 90% in the Koreamoku area as there were 140+ KBs back then. I never been to them all and wish I had. Bars like the current Mistys and Cache once were a combo of Strip bar with Chinese, Veitnamese, Korean and local girls working same bar. Of course no such thing as cover and imo the strippers were much hotter than today's ones altho they were not everyday workers like the hostesses.

Rail? Don't get me started as I can talk about it for hours and days to every technical point and engeneering detail, LOL. Its a BS "FAKEDEAL" shibai that going cost the next generation billions in taxes for 20 stations and its ancient 200 yr old technology. 4 K in today's dollars for EVERY man women and child in Hawaii but probalbly double when finished. We one island, not NY or Tokyo ffs. The kicker is traffic will be worse when done as it is now and they admit it but rail was always about money and politics, not transportation relief. Not good for the bars as urban development will push them out. Only hope is they take long time like H3 which was estimated to take less than 2 years to build but took 30 and 10 times original estimate cost, LOL.

Kaina bro, I think Kalihi will be the future town KB place current town bars move to if KBs are to survive.

Eh TT, when you going learn
? I told you trolls NEVER show themselves under any circumstances. They only TAKE, never give. You will NEVER get any useful help or contribution from them so no waste time wishimg for the impossible and giving the troll excuse to post more BS.I agree the rail is all about the "Land and Power in Hawaii". In other words full of BS as usual by the politicians and old boy network. We get screwed again.

[BeerAddict]

I was at a Kalihi bar tonight, and watched an older KBG get her beers and when her customer wasn't looking was pouring her glass into the white teri-cloth they use as a coaster. She kept doing this with about 4 beers and eventually she kept yelling at the bartender for giving her a wet "rag" each time. Poor customer was either too drunk or too dumb to know what was going on. Hope it wasn't anyone one of you guys out there. The drinks were $40 green bottles so he spent at least 160 and she probably took all of 10 sips total. He then bought the bartender 4 drinks as well, not green bottles though. To each his own, I just hope he had enough fun to justify the amount of money he spent tonight.

Like Oldee says all the time, we need these LVB's to keep the bars going. LOL.

Be safe brothers.

[Shipshape]

I was at a Kalihi bar tonight, and watched an older KBG get her beers and when her customer wasn't looking was pouring her glass into the white teri-cloth they use as a coaster. Yup, have seen that plenty times or how about when the KBG pops 2 bottles for the back room and flat out blatantly dumps half the bottles contents into the waste basket before heading to the room. Or gives the bottle a could shake before they pop the cork. Or have you ever noticed how some bars have sticky carpets as the girls spill their drinks in the booth. Or the green bottle is "reloaded" with tea. Or the soju is not really, on and on and on. Its why I say that a drinkee is not a drinkee, rather, it is a time / play buy. If you don't like the time or the play move on or send the KBG on her way. If your plan is to get the girl drunk, then what? Going to do take out and have your way with her after she passes out? Ill advised for sure as now you're in the land of potentially serious legal challenges / charges. For me its always been second or third shift. Let the first gang "soften up" the few KBGs that do actually drink, move in for play and be on my way. Thanks to all the first shift guys! Spend, spend, spend the money.

Ss.

[Kaina2076]

I was at a Kalihi bar tonight, and watched an older KBG get her beers and when her customer wasn't looking was pouring her glass into the white teri-cloth they use as a coaster. She kept doing this with about 4 beers and eventually she kept yelling at the bartender for giving her a wet "rag" each time. Poor customer was either too drunk or too dumb to know what was going on. Hope it wasn't anyone one of you guys out there. The drinks were $40 green bottles so he spent at least 160 and she probably took all of 10 sips total. He then bought the bartender 4 drinks as well, not green bottles though. To each his own, I just hope he had enough fun to justify the amount of money he spent tonight.

Like Oldee says all the time, we need these LVB's to keep the bars going. LOL.

Be safe brothers.Pouring the beer into a napkin is new for me. I love it. I thought I knew most of the techniques. One of my MO's when visiting a bar where I have not been for a while and don't know who is working there, is to sit at the bar as close to the waitress service station as possible. The idea being that I can check out most of the currently working bar girls over a period of time (even those with lvb's in the back booths) as the come to the bar for their Neko's. From that vantage point one observes: 2 crown bottles. One for customer and the other diluted one for BG; shots of Tea with a splash of alcohol (in case customer checks it); pre opened, but re-closed Soju refilled with tea and a splash of Soju); champagne bottles intentionally shaken so that half shoots out and overflows upon opening at table or room and on and on. I'm always amazed when lvb's will plunk down $100 and buy 5 shots at a time and expect that all 5 shots are actually the real thing. I'm sure the brothers can add to this list. Would be curious. It's all part of the game.

Kaina.

[Kaina2076]

It was recently brought to my attention that it is thanks to God that KB's (and KBG's) are often successful despite themselves.

The reason for this is quite logical when you think about it. God gave man 2 heads but only enough blood to work one at a time. So when the Princess is holding your hand or anywhere else. We all know where the blood is going. Thus when you wake up the next day with the CC maxed, you can blame God.

Kaina.

[Realdeal808]

I was at a Kalihi bar tonight, and watched an older KBG get her beers and when her customer wasn't looking was pouring her glass into the white teri-cloth they use as a coaster. She kept doing this with about 4 beers and eventually she kept yelling at the bartender for giving her a wet "rag" each time. Poor customer was either too drunk or too dumb to know what was going on. Hope it wasn't anyone one of you guys out there. The drinks were $40 green bottles so he spent at least 160 and she probably took all of 10 sips total. He then bought the bartender 4 drinks as well, not green bottles though. To each his own, I just hope he had enough fun to justify the amount of money he spent tonight.

Like Oldee says all the time, we need these LVB's to keep the bars going. LOL.

Be safe brothers.I'm going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and assume that he knew what she was doing but was not saying anything to be "nice" and help her out. Altho it goes against my personal bar principles, when it comes to "grandma" types that still have to work bar long after they should have to, can't help but feel sorry for them sometimes. Now if it was a younger kbg that had stuff going for her like her looks, then I'd just be pissed. In this case with the "Grandma", I'd probably just laugh amusingly to myself if I saw it.

[BeerAddict]

Pouring the beer into a napkin is new for me. I love it. I thought I knew most of the techniques. One of my MO's when visiting a bar where I have not been for a while and don't know who is working there, is to sit at the bar as close to the waitress service station as possible. The idea being that I can check out most of the currently working bar girls over a period of time (even those with lvb's in the back booths) as the come to the bar for their Neko's. From that vantage point one observes: 2 crown bottles. One for customer and the other diluted one for BG; shots of Tea with a splash of alcohol (in case customer checks it); pre opened, but re-closed Soju refilled with tea and a splash of Soju); champagne bottles intentionally shaken so that half shoots out and overflows upon opening at table or room and on and on. I'm always amazed when lvb's will plunk down $100 and buy 5 shots at a time and expect that all 5 shots are actually the real thing. I'm sure the brothers can add to this list. Would be curious. It's all part of the game.

Kaina.The guys who know all of the scoops are the bar backs. I know a handful of them who get paid special tips if they dilute the girls drinks every night. The easiest one to fake is the non alcohol red wine. I've tasted it myself and you cannot really tell that its non alcohol. Tricky tricky tricky these KB workers. LOL.

[TrueTemper]

Actually, its more like 90% in the Koreamoku area as there were 140+ KBs back then. I never been to them all and wish I had. Bars like the current Mistys and Cache once were a combo of Strip bar with Chinese, Veitnamese, Korean and local girls working same bar. Of course no such thing as cover and imo the strippers were much hotter than today's ones altho they were not everyday workers like the hostesses.

Rail? Don't get me started as I can talk about it for hours and days to every technical point and engeneering detail, LOL. Its a BS "FAKEDEAL" shibai that going cost the next generation billions in taxes for 20 stations and its ancient 200 yr old technology. 4 K in today's dollars for EVERY man women and child in Hawaii but probalbly double when finished. We one island, not NY or Tokyo ffs. The kicker is traffic will be worse when done as it is now and they admit it but rail was always about money and politics, not transportation relief. Not good for the bars as urban development will push them out. Only hope is they take long time like H3 which was estimated to take less than 2 years to build but took 30 and 10 times original estimate cost, LOL.

Kaina bro, I think Kalihi will be the future town KB place current town bars move to if KBs are to survive.

Eh TT, when you going learn
? I told you trolls NEVER show themselves under any circumstances. They only TAKE, never give. You will NEVER get any useful help or contribution from them so no waste time wishimg for the impossible and giving the troll excuse to post more BS.Hah innocent until proven guilty. Anyway Casino bars was full and couple booths taken last night. The funny part is now when a KBG looks for customers when they with me I also look over the booth to asked if I should leave because your customer came. Letting them know I know that game but they could care less.

[John Ross]

When Miki used to work for Patty at New Office / Evergreen, she used to take a swig of her drink, turn her head and spit whatever it was onto the carpet. Now, regarding bottles, tell the girl and waiter that you are the one to open the bottle and if anything spills, you are not paying for it. When you get the bottle, be it wine or bekseju, inspect the cap to make sure the seal is intact. If the bottom rim is cracked off, return it as they refilled the bottle.

Back in the day, girls loved drinking tequila rose because you could have a shot of water with some tr and the customer would not be the wiser. The pink color and scent made it really easy to dilute.

[Getting Old]

When Miki used to work for Patty at New Office / Evergreen, she used to take a swig of her drink, turn her head and spit whatever it was onto the carpet. Now, regarding bottles, tell the girl and waiter that you are the one to open the bottle and if anything spills, you are not paying for it. When you get the bottle, be it wine or bekseju, inspect the cap to make sure the seal is intact. If the bottom rim is cracked off, return it as they refilled the bottle.

Back in the day, girls loved drinking tequila rose because you could have a shot of water with some tr and the customer would not be the wiser. The pink color and scent made it really easy to dilute.Going back even further at Crystal Palace Miki used to dump the bottle Champagne into the planter so the planter smelled like old wine remember those days and Lancers wine. Small bottle Champagne and the like. The only positive thing recently is Patty and Betty the two grizzled vets are together again at International.

[Lualualei808]

Going back even further at Crystal Palace Miki used to dump the bottle Champagne into the planter so the planter smelled like old wine remember those days and Lancers wine. Small bottle Champagne and the like. The only positive thing recently is Patty and Betty the two grizzled vets are together again at International.Time for Patty and Betty to ride off in the sunset. After all they both about 70 yr. Old.

[Oldee]

Like Ss and Mobi bro, whether they drink water, dump drinks etc don't matter to me. Its all about what they do with me after purchasing thier time.

Its like living a unhealthy lifestyle, bad diet, getting cancer, THEN treat the SYMTOMS of the illness. Why spend on KBGs like that? They probably doing that to rob you and no play to begin with. You can avoid all that by choosing wisely. Second shift or choose KBGs that don't matter whether they drink real alcohol or not and play. This is why the interview is so important.

[BeerAddict]

Like Ss and Mobi bro, whether they drink water, dump drinks etc don't matter to me. Its all about what they do with me after purchasing thier time.

Its like living a unhealthy lifestyle, bad diet, getting cancer, THEN treat the SYMTOMS of the illness. Why spend on KBGs like that? They probably doing that to rob you and no play to begin with. You can avoid all that by choosing wisely. Second shift or choose KBGs that don't matter whether they drink real alcohol or not and play. This is why the interview is so important.Amen brother, interview is most definitely the key.

[Realdeal808]

Like Ss and Mobi bro, whether they drink water, dump drinks etc don't matter to me. Its all about what they do with me after purchasing thier time.

Its like living a unhealthy lifestyle, bad diet, getting cancer, THEN treat the SYMTOMS of the illness. Why spend on KBGs like that? They probably doing that to rob you and no play to begin with. You can avoid all that by choosing wisely. Second shift or choose KBGs that don't matter whether they drink real alcohol or not and play. This is why the interview is so important.Can you please post a report that indicates the "Play" you got after buying said drinks? Not for me but for the silent mass. I think it would further your credibility somewhat. Not that I question it of course but some people that I drink with wonder if the only way to get educated in this regard is to do a tour with you. Not being wise, just curious.

[BeerAddict]

Time for Patty and Betty to ride off in the sunset. After all they both about 70 yr. Old.They still got 20 years left in them. There's still Pearl City, Waipahu and Waianae boat harbor to conquer. LOL.

[Getting Old]

They still got 20 years left in them. There's still Pearl City, Waipahu and Waianae boat harbor to conquer. LOL.I think they just doing this to keep busy. The kids are grown and well what else they going do. They both in Manoa and they both need our money like a new hole in the head so they doing it to keep busy. Pearl City, not Pattys type she has always been successful in town. I for one glad Betty hasn't hanged it up yet she was thinking about hanging it up when Yuri sold 74 but I know her gang was going to miss her. And her cooking. I for one going miss her Nishime and if Betty reading this glad you took my advice. You as old as you feel besides you really going be bored. Only can go Vegas so much right and work in the yard so much.

As far as Patty she is ageless but as she told me; since she usually buys the place she runs and I know she would have installed a new drink station on the other side of that long bar as it is the barback has to leave his station go around the bar to the cooler and get a beer this is so inefficient. But as she said"she only helping a friend" I guess when she gets tired she may retire again for awhile. The bar scene has changed and I know these two ladies can see that but their old customers are basically the same crowd so it made sense they got together. BA enjoy it while you can once these ladies retire the last remnant of the old days will be gone. Sad to get old but time waits for no one.

P.S. Not another 20 years but maybe another 5-10 good years.

[John Ross]

Time for Patty and Betty to ride off in the sunset. After all they both about 70 yr. Old.I will always patronize bars that they own because they are both good owners / managers. I sit with their girls, not them.

[Lualualei808]

They still got 20 years left in them. There's still Pearl City, Waipahu and Waianae boat harbor to conquer. LOL.Looking forward to it. Right in my neighborhood. LOL.

[Local1234]

I will always patronize bars that they own because they are both good owners / managers. I sit with their girls, not them.They're good mamas always take care of good customers.

[Jni333]

Reading the posts in this thread makes me realize what a good guy "kapalua" was. Always insightful and informative. Never judgemental. Never boasting about what he does or how much he knows. You all could learn a lesson from the man and should.

[H Mobius]

Now, regarding bottles, tell the girl and waiter that you are the one to open the bottle and if anything spills, you are not paying for it. When you get the bottle, be it wine or bekseju, inspect the cap to make sure the seal is intact. If the bottom rim is cracked off, return it as they refilled the bottle.I remember you posted this before; good guidance for the would-be big spender or anyone lulled into buying a bottle of anything, that never gets old. It reminds me of a scene from the original Miami Vice where Crockett insisted the bottle was "corked" in the face of a waiter who denied it and wanted payment.

I kind of miss seeing Miki mama go ape-shit scrounging up her hottest girls from other customers when known heavy spenders came in :)

I don't remember "planters", but perhaps it is because they dumped it right on the carpet so that the whole dam place stunk.

Speaking of which, Ellie's leaves the Ladies' room door open, presumably for ventilation. Problem is, it ventilates into the bar and the whole place smells like a dirty toilet. Yes, it is fuggen gross and I left even though one of the j-girls was giving me ass. You know those "PASS" signs granted to food establishments (even Cookie Corner)? This place needs a "FAIL" one.

[TrueTemper]

They still got 20 years left in them. There's still Pearl City, Waipahu and Waianae boat harbor to conquer. LOL.Waianea boat harbor, How come the Ahi's running. LOL.

[BeerAddict]

I think they just doing this to keep busy. The kids are grown and well what else they going do. They both in Manoa and they both need our money like a new hole in the head so they doing it to keep busy. Pearl City, not Pattys type she has always been successful in town. I for one glad Betty hasn't hanged it up yet she was thinking about hanging it up when Yuri sold 74 but I know her gang was going to miss her. And her cooking. I for one going miss her Nishime and if Betty reading this glad you took my advice. You as old as you feel besides you really going be bored. Only can go Vegas so much right and work in the yard so much.

As far as Patty she is ageless but as she told me; since she usually buys the place she runs and I know she would have installed a new drink station on the other side of that long bar as it is the barback has to leave his station go around the bar to the cooler and get a beer this is so inefficient. But as she said"she only helping a friend" I guess when she gets tired she may retire again for awhile. The bar scene has changed and I know these two ladies can see that but their old customers are basically the same crowd so it made sense they got together. BA enjoy it while you can once these ladies retire the last remnant of the old days will be gone. Sad to get old but time waits for no one.

P.S. Not another 20 years but maybe another 5-10 good years.Yes, they are both definitely two good hearted mama's and you know they have money since on separate occasions both have retained my firm for legal representation. We're not cheap. LOL.

I made fun of them being around for 20 years because I know that they are doing it just to stay busy, not necessarily to find an early retirement package. How is Patty's health these days, I know at one point in time over the past couple of years she had some issues she was dealing with. Hope all is well for her. Those two are definitely a couple of the last remnants from the good old days, at least in the town area.

Be safe brothers.

[Oldee]

They still got 20 years left in them. There's still Pearl City, Waipahu and Waianae boat harbor to conquer. LOL.I remember when Patti opened her first KB accross the Ala Wai golf course on Kapahulu avenue many MANY years ago amd I was an under age going KB kid back then. While I appreciate her still being in the KB game, it should be noted that she made millions upon millions from LVBs over many decades and not everyone has fond feelings towards her, LOL. I like Betty's mac salad more than her nishime GO bro.

[BeerAddict]

I remember when Patti opened her first KB accross the Ala Wai golf course on Kapahulu avenue many MANY years ago amd I was an under age going KB kid back then. While I appreciate her still being in the KB game, it should be noted that she made millions upon millions from LVBs over many decades and not everyone has fond feelings towards her, LOL. I like Betty's mac salad more than her nishime GO bro.I remember Patti pointing out a younger customer to me once before at Cam's. She said you see that customer over there? I have sat with his father and grandfather in the past. LOL Too funny, she said she even got invited to family parties where it was very awkward. That's how long she has been in the KB game. Smart gal who always knew how to separate guys from their hard earned cash.

[Oldee]

Has anyone noticed that the quality and quantity of KBGs has really gone down especially this year? In town especially, there are many 3 month princesses who either rob, have lousy personalitys who mainly tease that don't play. Want play? Your best chances are with oldtime KBG vets rather than the newer KBGs. This sucks for picky guys, hehe. Most of the new KBGs are sent on the floor without any training and just wait to get picked. While they are ingrossed in their Iphones.

Maybe its time to bring back the FMs to shake things up, hehe. Perhaps a FM plus FM. Reunion including the guys who went back to being LVBs that no like Oldee, haha. Just thinking out loud folks. KBs been boring lately das why.

[Shipshape]

KBGs wonna drinkee, All I want is stinky pinkee.

She squeezes my knee, I pull out twenty, Walkin round in Kapiolani Bars.

In Casino there's a girl named Yujin, I'm thinkin' that she wants to play around.

I buy a shoju then I grab her tata's, She table hops and now she can't be found.

Later on if you wonna, We'll go see little Donna.

She brings her friend Sue, With nice soft ones too.

Walkin round in Kapiolani Bars.

Ss.

[Oldee]

KBGs wonna drinkee, All I want is stinky pinkee.

She squeezes my knee, I pull out twenty, Walkin round in Kapiolani Bars.

In Casino there's a girl named Yujin, I'm thinkin' that she wants to play around.

I buy a shoju then I grab her tata's, She table hops and now she can't be found.

Later on if you wonna, We'll go see little Donna.

She brings her friend Sue, With nice soft ones too.

Walkin round in Kapiolani Bars.

Ss.LOL, glad I not the only crazy one who made Christmas KB songs and thanks SS bro! I was lazy this year.

Speaking of town KBs, most are open Christmas (today). BTW, its been about aweek since Butterfly changed name to Club Summit. Who is out tonight? Sukebeman is coming to town! ;)

[Lualualei808]

LOL, glad I not the only crazy one who made Christmas KB songs and thanks SS bro! I was lazy this year.

Speaking of town KBs, most are open Christmas (today). BTW, its been about aweek since Butterfly changed name to Club Summit. Who is out tonight? Sukebeman is coming to town! ;)TC mama changed name because the fortune teller had suggested to use a name starting with a "S" and to change to a more local style bar, hence the pool tables and dart boards. Heard she is really having a hard time. Business is too slow.

[John Ross]

TC mama changed name because the fortune teller had suggested to use a name starting with a "S" and to change to a more local style bar, hence the pool tables and dart boards. Heard she is really having a hard time. Business is too slow.Listening to a fortune teller and changing your name and business model? That is crazy / desperate.

[DickTracy25]

Local style bar in the block will not fly. I have seen locals and white bunny working there, but they are not lasting would just come and go. I would not surprise mama going to put that place on the selling block soon. Talked to one of the BGs there the business has been extremely slow last couple of months. Casino is taking half of their customers away. Butts got to be the slowest bar on that block. There is no way Butts can compete with 74, EG, Casino, Ellie if they don't start bringing in younger girls.


TC mama changed name because the fortune teller had suggested to use a name starting with a "S" and to change to a more local style bar, hence the pool tables and dart boards. Heard she is really having a hard time. Business is too slow..

[H Mobius]

Listening to a fortune teller and changing your name and business model? That is crazy / desperate.Ummm, yeah!

All she had to do was get hot chicks in there. Didn't need to be especially young, 30's would have been good for a hottie. Even well-kept 40+ with enhancements and not afraid to use them would have been great for business.

That place used to be loaded with T&A and was always busy as a result. Lots of head-turning, I swear.

IMO it was not a good idea to bring the games out onto the selling floor.

"Summit" sounds like a Kalihi bar and not enticing like "Butterfly".

[DickTracy25]

The early MILF crew there drink like fish, table hoppers and all you get is little legs rub from them. Stay away unless you have a lot of money to waste!

The younger late crew that come in at 9, but they just come work if they feel like that. Buy them a few drinks one night, come back next night they are not there.

Yes that place used to be one of the best and busiest bar on that block. Now all it gets is few heads you can count in one hand.


Ummm, yeah!

All she had to do was get hot chicks in there. Didn't need to be especially young, 30's would have been good for a hottie. Even well-kept 40+ with enhancements and not afraid to use them would have been great for business.

That place used to be loaded with T&A and was always busy as a result. Lots of head-turning, I swear.

IMO it was not a good idea to bring the games out onto the selling floor.

"Summit" sounds like a Kalihi bar and not enticing like "Butterfly".

[Lualualei808]

Local style bar in the block will not fly. I have seen locals and white bunny working there, but they are not lasting would just come and go. I would not surprise mama going to put that place on the selling block soon. Talked to one of the BGs there the business has been extremely slow last couple of months. Casino is taking half of their customers away. Butts got to be the slowest bar on that block. There is no way Butts can compete with 74, EG, Casino, Ellie if they don't start bringing in younger girls.

.Remember at one time TC mama tried to change to Sports Bar with the NFL network on Sundays and had Dallas, the KBG former stripper, running the "Sports Bar". That sure did not last long. TC is clueless as to how to run a KB.

[H Mobius]

Remember at one time TC mama tried to change to Sports Bar with the NFL network on Sundays and had Dallas, the KBG former stripper, running the "Sports Bar". That sure did not last long. TC is clueless as to how to run a KB.One night Dallas was drunk at Butterfly and was dancing and rubbing her butt on the bar. That was a sight.

[DickTracy25]

Don't know if TC mama has any prior experience to run a bar. She sure seen like a rookie. She is having hard time. One of the BGs told me TC mama ordered to turn down the AC to save electricity when the place is not busy during the hot summer months.

She is losing girls due to the place slow constantly. Her girls go else where the money pot is, leaving her with the same old MILF faces and the part timers that is not dependable.


Remember at one time TC mama tried to change to Sports Bar with the NFL network on Sundays and had Dallas, the KBG former stripper, running the "Sports Bar". That sure did not last long. TC is clueless as to how to run a KB.

[Shipshape]

I read the posts in KBG reports that speculate on the orientation of KBGs. Purely an opinion of mine, but, I would think that the number of lesbian KBGs is not very large at all. Perhaps the percentage reflects what is out there in "normal" population (what, around 5% or something). Hugging, arm-in-arm holding, holding hands are very common cultural practice with women (and men is some countries) in Asian countries. I wouldn't read anymore or less into it. I think, what may influence a KBGs closeness with another MAY be their attitude towards men has turned to crap. I think, in many cases, they look upon us as just ATM's or just plain slime-balls. There's no benefit of the doubt for us the longer a KBG is in the business, the more she is wary of all customers. The KBG is at her job day after day, year after year. There is NOTHING they haven't heard in the bar scene. I think its why they may "band" together with other KBGs and I think its why many of them have little dogs as companions. Having said that, I think that if you were to meet a KBG outside of the bar scene for the first time, you just MAY find a different kind of relationship developing. Then again, what the heck do I know.

Ss.

[H Mobius]

I think its why many of them have little dogs as companions. Having said that, I think that if you were to meet a KBG outside of the bar scene for the first time, you just MAY find a different kind of relationship developing. Then again, what the heck do I know.

Ss.Hey that's right; the Korean places in CC do have little yappy dogs! Puleeeze tell us the story again about the time you had to chase down the passed-out KBGs yappy dog :)

[Jj6969]

Don't know if TC mama has any prior experience to run a bar. She sure seen like a rookie. She is having hard time. One of the BGs told me TC mama ordered to turn down the AC to save electricity when the place is not busy during the hot summer months.

She is losing girls due to the place slow constantly. Her girls go else where the money pot is, leaving her with the same old MILF faces and the part timers that is not dependable.TC mama has been turning down the AC and getting customers upset for years now. In fact all the KB's let their girls turn down the AC, turn on Korean shows, and turning the volume up loud etc. They still don't know that the customer is always right!

[Shipshape]

Hey that's right; the Korean places in CC do have little yappy dogs! Puleeeze tell us the story again about the time you had to chase down the passed-out KBGs yappy dog :)You mean the time I was trying to be a nice guy and take that KBG to her apartment and she passed out in my car and pee'd in the seat and I carried her up to her place and opened the door and her little turd dog went running down the hall and I had to chase the little fido to get him back into her apartment and then threw the little prick into her apartment and went home? Nope, don't remember that at all Happy New Year Mr. M.

Ss.

[DickTracy25]

One day I was here after 18 holes, hoping to enjoy the cold AC and ice cold Buds. Oh I was so disappointed, sweating like a hog. I asked a BG there why was the Kapiolani side door is wide open when the AC is on? The BG said the open door is your "man made AC". She said TC ordered to turn the AC down.


TC mama has been turning down the AC and getting customers upset for years now. In fact all the KB's let their girls turn down the AC, turn on Korean shows, and turning the volume up loud etc. They still don't know that the customer is always right!.

[MitsFunai]

There is NOTHING they haven't heard in the bar scene. I think its why they may "band" together with other KBGs and I think its why many of them have little dogs as companions. Having said that, I think that if you were to meet a KBG outside of the bar scene for the first time, you just MAY find a different kind of relationship developing. Then again, what the heck do I know.
Ss.You know lots. KBGs hear and see doodoo, tag team, have LVBs as pets, make more money outside the bar, and establish relationships based on mutual manipulation (seeing more KBGs hooking up with older dudes as bfs). The current economic climate has KBGs trying to reinvent the wheel; it's amusing to watch what they'll try to do next.

[MitsFunai]

TC mama has been turning down the AC and getting customers upset for years now. In fact all the KB's let their girls turn down the AC, turn on Korean shows, and turning the volume up loud etc. They still don't know that the customer is always right!What was reported about her four years ago has been evidenced and come around.

[Local1234]

TC mama has been turning down the AC and getting customers upset for years now. In fact all the KB's let their girls turn down the AC, turn on Korean shows, and turning the volume up loud etc. They still don't know that the customer is always right!This place is like a ghost town these days.

[Lualualei808]

This place is like a ghost town these days.The great experiment of changing name and having a chef prepare the menu lasted just a few days. Another TC mama failure.

[DickTracy25]

What TC mama needs is to clean house. The BGs that are on the clock now are not drawing in customers, she needs to go seek new BGs, pay them a little higher if she needs to. With the same old faces, people will just go elsewhere.

Casino used to be a ghost town, that place is busy now due to new faces are hired.


This place is like a ghost town these days.

[Alohaoe]

What TC mama needs is to clean house. The BGs that are on the clock now are not drawing in customers, she needs to go seek new BGs, pay them a little higher if she needs to. With the same old faces, people will just go elsewhere.

Casino used to be a ghost town, that place is busy now due to new faces are hired.Is Sammy still working there? I'm a Kalihi man now.

Alohaoe.

[Kaina2076]

There is no doubt that Butterfly is a no go these days, but I don't understand why everyone is down on TC Mama. For all her mistakes and false starts over the years, she has managed to keep Butterfly among the top bars since she took it over from Mimi (Business) back in 2007 ot 2008. And this is without taking any breaks to lease it out for a 6 month rejuvenating holiday.

Solutions. Who knows. Someone says bring in new young girls. Sure but that's easier said than done. It takes both money and luck. As for sports bar business model; we are all KB addicts so we condemn that idea out of hand. I would suggest that it's time for TC to take a break and lease it out to someone with new energy and money. BUT to close I think TC has had a good run and is to be congratulated.

Kaina.

[Getting Old]

There is no doubt that Butterfly is a no go these days, but I don't understand why everyone is down on TC Mama. For all her mistakes and false starts over the years, she has managed to keep Butterfly among the top bars since she took it over from Mimi (Business) back in 2007 ot 2008. And this is without taking any breaks to lease it out for a 6 month rejuvenating holiday.

Solutions. Who knows. Someone says bring in new young girls. Sure but that's easier said than done. It takes both money and luck. As for sports bar business model; we are all KB addicts so we condemn that idea out of hand. I would suggest that it's time for TC to take a break and lease it out to someone with new energy and money. BUT to close I think TC has had a good run and is to be congratulated.

Kaina.This is purely my 2 cents but having starting coming out to the KB's again Butterfly, Safari, Secret, and whatever else this place may have been called at one time or another, If it's the same lady that I know as mama she was ok to me even when ran into her daytime I am sorry she having hard time now but if you saw her electric bill and had to pay it you would turn down the A / see too especially if the bar is empty and the door is open. I am not defending her but when it gets to a fortune teller for a business plan as someone here reported it is time to take a vacation TC mama. To take step back and look at the over all bar business.

You are competing for the same business all the other bars in the area need it is the same guys going to the bars and like a herd of sheep, goats or cattle (yeah I am in that pack) they migrate to one bar or another, each one having their own special bar they like for this or that. It is the same money going around and you need to find your niche to get back the business and no fortune teller going help you. YOU need to help yourself. I am not saying anything you don't know and Kaina and a lot of other guys but I do wish you well and I do remember when it was busy. A friend of mine from the Crystal Palace days had a lady there so used to stop by, I wish you my heartfelt good wishes and hope business picks up. I did stop by for one forget the guys name but was real quick on service and offered pupu's so there was no problem there but this was a couple weeks ago. Anyway GOODLUCK!

[Shame]

Charge 150 for soju bottle now.

[DickTracy25]

Hopefully other bars will follow. It is tax time, owners know January is the slowest month. People need to pay off their Christmas debt.


Charge 150 for soju bottle now.

[Getting Old]

Charge 150 for soju bottle now.Hey she got to pay for the renovations to Evergreen and her losses and the Air conditioning bill. Right go figure. Like anything in business you always pass on the added expense to the customer. LOL. Just no buy Soju and bottles. Easier said than done. Be safe and relax not worth getting worked up about just no buy. Bad enough girls got to pay $6 house for liquor and $5 for tea house cut not only us guys getting hit the workers too so no complain too much. 2 sides of the coin.

[Lualualei808]

Casino used to be a ghost town, that place is busy now due to new faces are hired.RIP Julie mama. Way too young.

[John Ross]

RIP Julie mama. Way too young.It was a very tragic and lonely end. RIP. I wonder what is in the future for Casino?

[DickTracy25]

I lost track.


It was a very tragic and lonely end. RIP. I wonder what is in the future for Casino?.

[DickTracy25]

TC mama is a very nice lady, hate to see her business going South. She always greet me with a smile when I sit at the bar.

Everyone is talking about her desperate name change, hope to bring in the crowds. But without any new girls, name change is not going to fly.

Instead of model change to a some sort of sport bar, she should get a Sushi bar like EG. Hey, bring back the older folks, they are the ones with money to spend. Grandpa hardly throw darts and play pool. But they certainly enjoy eating and talking.

I hope TC mama is reading this forum, there is some suggestion here she could pick up, and help her to get back on her feet.


This is purely my 2 cents but having starting coming out to the KB's again Butterfly, Safari, Secret, and whatever else this place may have been called at one time or another, If it's the same lady that I know as mama she was ok to me even when ran into her daytime I am sorry she having hard time now but if you saw her electric bill and had to pay it you would turn down the A / see too especially if the bar is empty and the door is open. I am not defending her but when it gets to a fortune teller for a business plan as someone here reported it is time to take a vacation TC mama. To take step back and look at the over all bar business.

You are competing for the same business all the other bars in the area need it is the same guys going to the bars and like a herd of sheep, goats or cattle (yeah I am in that pack) they migrate to one bar or another, each one having their own special bar they like for this or that. It is the same money going around and you need to find your niche to get back the business and no fortune teller going help you. YOU need to help yourself. I am not saying anything you don't know and Kaina and a lot of other guys but I do wish you well and I do remember when it was busy. A friend of mine from the Crystal Palace days had a lady there so used to stop by, I wish you my heartfelt good wishes and hope business picks up. I did stop by for one forget the guys name but was real quick on service and offered pupu's so there was no problem there but this was a couple weeks ago. Anyway GOODLUCK!

[Oldee]

I am hoping this will be a good year for both KBs AND us customers, especially for all you LVBs keeping the bars alive.You guys are even more important now as KBs are having a harder and harder time to survive.

As for TC mama, give her a break as she is one of the few mamas that try to be fair and nice to ALL customers while trying to give good service and not inflate bar tabs as most mamas do. She KNOWS guys go bars for the girls, but no can help when other mamas treat KBGs like spoiled princesses with promises of making big money. Its a catch 22 for TC. She aint perfect but most other mamas think local guys are stupid asses that need to be taken advantage of. Most service in town KBs suck but not Butts (Summit) at least. Good hse pupus too. At other KBs, only big spenders get good treatment.

[Udakine]

I am hoping this will be a good year for both KBs AND us customers, especially for all you LVBs keeping the bars alive.You guys are even more important now as KBs are having a harder and harder time to survive. You guys are even more important now as KBs are having a harder and harder time to survive

As for TC mama, give her a break as she is one of the few mamas that try to be fair and nice to ALL customers while trying to give good service and not inflate bar tabs as most mamas do. She KNOWS guys go bars for the girls, but no can help when other mamas treat KBGs like spoiled princesses with promises of making big money. Its a catch 22 for TC. She aint perfect but most other mamas think local guys are stupid asses that need to be taken advantage of. Most service in town KBs suck but not Butts (Summit) at least. Good hse pupus to. At other KBs, only big spenders get good treatment.Well said.

Stay safe bros.

[Tiantain]

It was a very tragic and lonely end. RIP. I wonder what is in the future for Casino?


RIP Julie mama. Way too young.Do you know what happened?

[Lualualei808]

Do you know what happened?Through the KBG wireless she was using sleeping pills. Not sure if was suicide or accidental death.

[MitsFunai]

The prediction of four-five years ago may be forthcoming: there will be an elimination of KBs via a survival test (their biz model) based on fear (shrinking revenues due to economic variables). Human beings become part of the elimination process they create; get ready for upheaval.

What KBs will be standing (and why)? Mahalos.

[Udakine]

Through the KBG wireless she was using sleeping pills. Not sure if was suicide or accidental death.I heard suicide.

Be safe bros.

[MitsFunai]

I heard suicide.Just like Eve (Hello Eve, Twilight; hanging); suspicious, but hard to prove if otherwise. The belief is that once there is no alternative except suicide, then things will begin to turn around again. Poor things; may it beget mercy on their souls.

[TrueTemper]

Master Flash now I small kind understand what you meant by LVB spies. Crazy Now you know why I did alot of Hans Solo. Too bad your knowledge.

Will be on the download now. Or maybe you can be Hans Solo number one. LOL.

[Kaina2076]

Fishing night in Kalihi
Going fishing, since I dumped my ex for a while, feeling like going out on a date with someone again.

Met Yujin at Kalihi 5 plex, late 30's, big DD boobs, don't know if that is for real or just padded foam thing. But from the outside her tits looks impressive. Talkative lady with good English. She drinks kind of fast but most girls do these days. Don't really know if she is a hopper cause the place was very slow.

Next stop walk right across to Green Tea, met this girl April, athletic body, look like she spend a lot of time at the gym, stayed with her for about 30 minutes.

Liked both ladies I met. Looking for a dinner date with one or both of the ladies. Need help from your brothers, anyone know 411 on them?



Can't buy her drinks if she does not want me to hang around at the bar.

Two reasons.

She does not want her customers to know she has a young handsome BF, grandpas would get jealous and cut her line.

She does not want me to interfere with her work. I get jealous sometimes too you know.Brought the above over from Korean Bar Reports as it seems more "discussion" than "report".

I have to first say that I don't know either of the girls you are asking for 411 on. However it's hard to imagine how the brothers can be of any help to a "young and handsome" who also has some kala to throw. ($10,000 if I recall). Any one of the "old" guys getting any action from either of these ladies is not going to share with you for fear of losing the action. And anything shared is so YMMA that it's not necessarily relevant for you.

Anyway your dilemma is easily resolved: Ask them both to dinner; they both refuse; end of story. Or only one accepts; end of story. They both accept; then push for play with both; either way it goes, you will have your answers. Mean while it's quite possible that both girls know each other and will play you. Monger on.

Kaina.

[Getting Old]

Brought the above over from Korean Bar Reports as it seems more "discussion" than "report".

I have to first say that I don't know either of the girls you are asking for 411 on. However it's hard to imagine how the brothers can be of any help to a "young and handsome" who also has some kala to throw. ($10,000 if I recall). Any one of the "old" guys getting any action from either of these ladies is not going to share with you for fear of losing the action. And anything shared is so YMMA that it's not necessarily relevant for you.

Anyway your dilemma is easily resolved: Ask them both to dinner; they both refuse; end of story. Or only one accepts; end of story. They both accept; then push for play with both; either way it goes, you will have your answers. Mean while it's quite possible that both girls know each other and will play you. Monger on.

Kaina.FYI I heard one of them, is married, so the one that refuses your advances is probably the one that is or not bar marriages may or may not mean anything to the woman as Oldee and I were discussing one night. I would save your money and go find one good one in church as my old boss used to tell me way back when. LOL. Just a suggestion since you still young and handsome with lots of Kala.

[DickTracy25]

Thanks bro. One of them already accepted my invitation of going out without hesitation, I have not asked the other one yet. Now I need to set up some kind of date. Maybe movie, dinner, or even golfing.


FYI I heard one of them, is married, so the one that refuses your advances is probably the one that is or not bar marriages may or may not mean anything to the woman as Oldee and I were discussing one night. I would save your money and go find one good one in church as my old boss used to tell me way back when. LOL. Just a suggestion since you still young and handsome with lots of Kala..

[Ichigo808]

FYI I heard one of them, is married, so the one that refuses your advances is probably the one that is or not bar marriages may or may not mean anything to the woman as Oldee and I were discussing one night. I would save your money and go find one good one in church as my old boss used to tell me way back when. LOL. Just a suggestion since you still young and handsome with lots of Kala.Oh I'm sure they sit with "old guys" and I'm positive them "old guys" not getting axxxtion. Hahaha. For damn sure!

[Kaina2076]

Thanks bro. One of them already accepted my invitation of going out without hesitation, I have not asked the other one yet. Now I need to set up some kind of date. Maybe movie, dinner, or even golfing.

.Of course she accepted your invitation. If she hadn't would you still be buying her drinks. ? Although I'm guessing she is at least smart enough to go on a few harmless "dates" in order to keep the Neko's coming. I'm not criticizing as I too have been in this situation several times myself without ever scoring the final "touchdown". The truth of the matter is that I enjoy these outside the bar dates with attractive fun ladies. The fact that I am just a "free meal" ticket doesn't bother me as I am genuinely enjoying myself. I draw the line, however, at "shopping" and gifts unless there is major reciprocity involved.

Kaina.

[DickTracy25]

Sorry, I am not trying to brag. It is a fact, in the past I have gone out with lot of BGs on a date (over 50) My scoring rate is very good. I score either a touch down or a field goal on almost of my dates. I have youth, look, money to spend. That is most BGs are looking for.


Of course she accepted your invitation. If she hadn't would you still be buying her drinks. ? Although I'm guessing she is at least smart enough to go on a few harmless "dates" in order to keep the Neko's coming. I'm not criticizing as I too have been in this situation several times myself without ever scoring the final "touchdown". The truth of the matter is that I enjoy these outside the bar dates with attractive fun ladies. The fact that I am just a "free meal" ticket doesn't bother me as I am genuinely enjoying myself. I draw the line, however, at "shopping" and gifts unless there is major reciprocity involved.

Kaina..

[Local1234]

Sorry, I am not trying to brag. It is a fact, in the past I have gone out with lot of BGs on a date (over 50) My scoring rate is very good. I score either a touch down or a field goal on almost of my dates. I have youth, look, money to spend. That is most BGs are looking for.

.As long as you're ok with sharing.

[Oldee]

Sorry, I am not trying to brag. It is a fact, in the past I have gone out with lot of BGs on a date (over 50) My scoring rate is very good. I score either a touch down or a field goal on almost of my dates. I have youth, look, money to spend. That is most BGs are looking for.

.That would make your success rate at least 10 times better than any other succesful KB hunter that I know of imo even if you meant "over 50 KBGs in age", LOL. BTW, most KBGs no care for customa looks or youth, ONLY money. Also, there are no mid 20's KB hunters that have the same success rates as older and more experienced KB hunters like say a BA but you can prove me wrong IF you willing bro.

I will eat my words if you willing to show your KB prowess by letting us witness with any of the respected KB forum guys here but just like RD who refused the same offer, aint holding my breath for it to ever happen.

[DickTracy25]

I know I am not picking up these BGs from church, so there is a chance I will be sharing the same girl with others. It is OK.

As long as she is honest and I know about it.

BGs are human, they need satisfaction like we all do. I know one BG I bang for a while, she has a sugar daddy buy her car and pay her rent. But since he is over 70 and can't perform in bed. She always come to me to get her joy. We have no love connection. Just a great fuck to satisfy each other once in a while.


As long as you're ok with sharing.

[DickTracy25]

If you have 1 K in your pocket, but you smell like you just ca.

Me out from a dumpster, can't see your own Jr because your big belly is in the path of view. Then I would say princess often would turn her head and hop on to another table. Remember, these BGs get to choose who they fuck. It is NOT only money, they are not AMP girls.


That would make your success rate at least 10 times better than any other succesful KB hunter that I know of imo even if you meant "over 50 KBGs in age", LOL. BTW, most KBGs no care for customa looks or youth, ONLY money. Also, there are no mid 20's KB hunters that have the same success rates as older and more experienced KB hunters like say a BA but you can prove me wrong IF you willing bro.

I will eat my words if you willing to show your KB prowess by letting us witness with any of the respected KB forum guys here but just like RD who refused the same offer, aint holding my breath for it to ever happen.

[Realdeal808]

That would make your success rate at least 10 times better than any other succesful KB hunter that I know of imo even if you meant "over 50 KBGs in age", LOL. BTW, most KBGs no care for customa looks or youth, ONLY money. Also, there are no mid 20's KB hunters that have the same success rates as older and more experienced KB hunters like say a BA but you can prove me wrong IF you willing bro.

I will eat my words if you willing to show your KB prowess by letting us witness with any of the respected KB forum guys here but just like RD who refused the same offer, aint holding my breath for it to ever happen.I was going to stay out of this discussion, but since you made reference I will add my two cents worth. Altho his number (50) leads me to be skeptical, it is not implausible that he has had success on dates with kbg's. Heck, you said it yourself- most of them only care about money. So if he truly has youth, looks, AND money to burn, why wouldn't he have success? I also don't understand your statement that "NO" 20 somethings are as successful as older kb goers. That's a pretty bold blanket statement IMO. Surely there are SOME that catch the eye of some kbg's. Personally, I would say my success rate is high- meaning like Clint Eastwood "I hit what I aim at". However, my number of successes is nowhere near 50 (for kbg's, anyway) simply because I don't like to chase them with money, as I've said before. And as you said most of them are all about money. So it takes more time and patience to get the ones that really appeal to me AND are not all about the dollars.

[Shipshape]

I never noticed this before, but, I'm assuming its been around. Korean Bar BOY hostess'. Noticed it for the first time in a Kalihi bar. These "boy-band-type" K-guys are hosting someone in a back room. Didn't even want to know who (guy / girl), but, son of a gun I've never seen that before. A little inquiry revealed that evidently some of the KB mama's use this "service" and the pricing structure is the same as a KBG. Go figure.

Ss.

[BeerAddict]

I never noticed this before, but, I'm assuming its been around. Korean Bar BOY hostess'. Noticed it for the first time in a Kalihi bar. These "boy-band-type" K-guys are hosting someone in a back room. Didn't even want to know who (guy / girl), but, son of a gun I've never seen that before. A little inquiry revealed that evidently some of the KB mama's use this "service" and the pricing structure is the same as a KBG. Go figure.

Ss.There have been Host Bars circulating around town for many years now. They are usually very private discreet places and YES, majority of their heavy hitters are the KBG mama's. I remember being invited there before by Maya mama, formerly of EG and was totally surprised that this kind of place existed. They usually buy bottles versus nekos and the bottles normally run 500.100 goes to the house and the rest to the "host".

It was funny because I knew one guy there and he told me he could only sleep with one customer per night because being older, the recovery time wasn't the same. LOL. Hard to make money that way. Haha.

Be safe brothers.

[BeerAddict]

FYI I heard one of them, is married, so the one that refuses your advances is probably the one that is or not bar marriages may or may not mean anything to the woman as Oldee and I were discussing one night. I would save your money and go find one good one in church as my old boss used to tell me way back when. LOL. Just a suggestion since you still young and handsome with lots of Kala.I know first hand that Yujin has a boyfriend. She's been with the same guy since before she left for Korea. I must admit, since she returned she's looking pretty darn good! Those big tits of hers look good even without a bra, nice and perky. Back of her legs has some cellulite though, you got to keep her in mish. LOL She once took me to her place on Kinau Street. Not a single piece of furniture in the place, my knees were all sore the next day from our various "activities" the night before on a towel. LOL. She loves her drinking, get her drunk and you're home free.

Be safe brothers.

[John Ross]

Yujin. Is this the one from Camelot / International that likes to sing? That one is built for play and is open to pay for play.

Dating KBGs. Most will say yes to an invitation to lunch or dinner, but not all will agree to a date / time. Meeting for lunch / dinner / coffee is a business ploy to keep their customer. After dinner, they expect you to take them to work and be their customer and spend more money. After lunch, usually at a place in Ala Moana, they expect you to take them shopping.

Host bars. There used to be a few of them back in the 90's and 00's, but I don't know where they are nowdays. The KBBs come to the KBs and patronize the KBGs and Mamas and they in turn patronize the KBBs. I knew a bunch of KBGs that liked to go see KBBs and spend a lot of money. Other KBGs (the smarter ones) said it was stupid to go to those establishments and spend the money LVBs spent on them on KBBs. Host bars were fun to go to after 2, because you see the lonely KBGs there. Many were easy pickings.

Success rate. I have a pretty high success rate, but I don't go chasing after just any girl. I pick my target and then make my move. The main thing is to choose wisely and not go after ones that everyone has banged. There's no challenge in that and it is definitely not something to brag about banging the village bicycle.

[Realdeal808]

Dating KBGs. Most will say yes to an invitation to lunch or dinner, but not all will agree to a date / time. Meeting for lunch / dinner / coffee is a business ploy to keep their customer. After dinner, they expect you to take them to work and be their customer and spend more money. After lunch, usually at a place in Ala Moana, they expect you to take them shopping.

Success rate. I have a pretty high success rate, but I don't go chasing after just any girl. I pick my target and then make my move. The main thing is to choose wisely and not go after ones that everyone has banged. There's no challenge in that and it is definitely not something to brag about banging the village bicycle.Yes, couldn't agree more with the above. Great metaphor re "banging the village bike". Had me rolling with that visual.

[DickTracy25]

John, don't know if that is the same one, I met this Yujin at Kalihi 5 plex, big tits, sexy girl with tattoo on her ankle.

I don't invite any girl out just for dinner. Usually my date end up either at a hotel or her apartment for a night cap. I have been to so many BGs apartment that I lost count.

One time as I was going up with a BGs to her Pacific Grand apartment, a BG that I banged a week ago was at the same elevator too. Funny thing the two girls spoke in Korean and I thought oh no I blew it. Guess the girl let me slide.


Yujin. Is this the one from Camelot / International that likes to sing? That one is built for play and is open to pay for play.

Dating KBGs. Most will say yes to an invitation to lunch or dinner, but not all will agree to a date / time. Meeting for lunch / dinner / coffee is a business ploy to keep their customer. After dinner, they expect you to take them to work and be their customer and spend more money. After lunch, usually at a place in Ala Moana, they expect you to take them shopping.

Host bars. There used to be a few of them back in the 90's and 00's, but I don't know where they are nowdays. The KBBs come to the KBs and patronize the KBGs and Mamas and they in turn patronize the KBBs. I knew a bunch of KBGs that liked to go see KBBs and spend a lot of money. Other KBGs (the smarter ones) said it was stupid to go to those establishments and spend the money LVBs spent on them on KBBs. Host bars were fun to go to after 2, because you see the lonely KBGs there. Many were easy pickings.

Success rate. I have a pretty high success rate, but I don't go chasing after just any girl. I pick my target and then make my move. The main thing is to choose wisely and not go after ones that everyone has banged. There's no challenge in that and it is definitely not something to brag about banging the village bicycle.

[Ichigo808]

Sorry, I am not trying to brag. It is a fact, in the past I have gone out with lot of BGs on a date (over 50) My scoring rate is very good. I score either a touch down or a field goal on almost of my dates. I have youth, look, money to spend. That is most BGs are looking for.

.I believe DT25 as well as RD posts & opinions. For my part I don't target any girl as I am the guy that likes to drink and eat rather target / chase the girls as a matter of fact it seems the opposite for me because I end up being the target. Ofcourse I play hard to get though. Remember Charisma & Charm, dress well and smell good too. Out of shape ain't going to get you nowhere. You better smell good too. So many stink bahstids out there who can't seem to notice they smell like sweaty sack for damn sure ain't going to get shat, right CC? Remember that kusai madafaka! LOL. It suprises me that in this day & age one can't smell his own stink self but can point out another stink sacker! My pal at a certain locale also noticed this and was extremely disgusted so I can imagine all the women at all the bars this man tuna patronizes must be thinking. Eh RD when I say this bahstid is hauna this man tuna is hauna that stench just fkn lingers bro. Sit too close that fricking odor might jump on you! Hahaha.

[Kaina2076]

Sorry, I am not trying to brag. It is a fact, in the past I have gone out with lot of BGs on a date (over 50) My scoring rate is very good. I score either a touch down or a field goal on almost of my dates. I have youth, look, money to spend. That is most BGs are looking for.

.DT25, congratulations! I am not exactly sure what you mean by "50". 50 dates with 50 different girls, 50 dates with 25 different girls. Etc. Whatever; it's an enviably high success rate, if as you say, you made touchdowns "on almost all of my dates" Right up there with Kobe and Wilt the Stilt. While the rest of us are just mongering you are scoring. Score on.

Kaina.

[Johnny14]

. So many stink bahstids out there who can't seem to notice they smell like sweaty sack for damn sure ain't going to get shat, right CC? Remember that kusai madafaka! LOL. It suprises me that in this day & age one can't smell his own stink self but can point out another stink sacker!

My pal at a certain locale also noticed this and was extremely disgusted so I can imagine all the women at all the bars this man tuna patronizes must be thinking. Eh RD when I say this bahstid is hauna this man tuna is hauna that stench just fkn lingers bro. Sit too close that fricking odor might jump on you! Hahaha.Maybe you should introduce Yuna the tuna to this friend of yours, both seem compatible in the stink factor. Perfect match, two foul smelling bodies smacking while each pelvic thrust creating snatch "farting" "tick-tick" sounds to spread the stench afar. Bet all the crabs in the Ala Wai will be crawling out after getting a good whiff.

[Realdeal808]

I believe DT25 as well as RD posts & opinions. For my part I don't target any girl as I am the guy that likes to drink and eat rather target / chase the girls as a matter of fact it seems the opposite for me because I end up being the target. Ofcourse I play hard to get though. Remember Charisma & Charm, dress well and smell good too. Out of shape ain't going to get you nowhere. You better smell good too. So many stink bahstids out there who can't seem to notice they smell like sweaty sack for damn sure ain't going to get shat, right CC? Remember that kusai madafaka! LOL. It suprises me that in this day & age one can't smell his own stink self but can point out another stink sacker! My pal at a certain locale also noticed this and was extremely disgusted so I can imagine all the women at all the bars this man tuna patronizes must be thinking. Eh RD when I say this bahstid is hauna this man tuna is hauna that stench just fkn lingers bro. Sit too close that fricking odor might jump on you! Hahaha.Ever heard of musk? Pheromones? Look it up. Nature's version of cologne. Maybe this guy believed that his chances at attracting a mate improved by NOT taking a shower for days. Hey don't knock it til you try it! I can just see all these guys going kb's all hauna now and the bar girls going be like "WTF! LOL.

[DickTracy25]

Thanks Ichigo for you believing in me. I am not trying to brag. But if I see a BG I like to bang, I will certain end up banging her.

Why I don't reveal any BGs names that I bang? And prove to some of you that I really did it. Simple. I don't want to open up a can of worms, get someone heart broken or the BG's money line cut. What happen to grandpa if they found out their "sweetheart" have been banging by me? I am sure Sugar daddy will not continue to support their " sweetheart" if they found that out.

Why guys spend thousands of dollars chasing BGs that they like? But end up getting nothing. The reason is very simple, " turn off". There are things BGs don't like, bad glooming and hygiene. Dress sloppy, out of shape.

Money is NOT everything when come to score BGs, remember BGs choose who they fuck, money can't buy them to go to bed with you. It is not like you go to AMP and get an automatic touchdown, you have to work on it when come to dealing with BGs. Charisma & Charm, you definitely need that, money would help but it is not a guarantee you score.

Go to where the actions is, Kalihi is a good place to go now, it is busier than town. Most town side bars " Butterfly, International, 74 " are ghost town. Don't waste your time there until business get better.


I believe DT25 as well as RD posts & opinions. For my part I don't target any girl as I am the guy that likes to drink and eat rather target / chase the girls as a matter of fact it seems the opposite for me because I end up being the target. Ofcourse I play hard to get though. Remember Charisma & Charm, dress well and smell good too. Out of shape ain't going to get you nowhere. You better smell good too. So many stink bahstids out there who can't seem to notice they smell like sweaty sack for damn sure ain't going to get shat, right CC? Remember that kusai madafaka! LOL. It suprises me that in this day & age one can't smell his own stink self but can point out another stink sacker! My pal at a certain locale also noticed this and was extremely disgusted so I can imagine all the women at all the bars this man tuna patronizes must be thinking. Eh RD when I say this bahstid is hauna this man tuna is hauna that stench just fkn lingers bro. Sit too close that fricking odor might jump on you! Hahaha.

[Realdeal808]

Thanks Ichigo for you believing in me. I am not trying to brag. But if I see a BG I like to bang, I will certain end up banging her.

Why I don't reveal any BGs names that I bang? And prove to some of you that I really did it. Simple. I don't want to open up a can of worms, get someone heart broken or the BG's money line cut. What happen to grandpa if they found out their "sweetheart" have been banging by me? I am sure Sugar daddy will not continue to support their " sweetheart" if they found that out.

Why guys spend thousands of dollars chasing BGs that they like? But end up getting nothing. The reason is very simple, " turn off". There are things BGs don't like, bad glooming and hygiene. Dress sloppy, out of shape.

Money is NOT everything when come to score BGs, remember BGs choose who they fuck, money can't buy them to go to bed with you. It is not like you go to AMP and get an automatic touchdown, you have to work on it when come to dealing with BGs. Charisma & Charm, you definitely need that, money would help but it is not a guarantee you .DT25: dude- sarcasm. Pretty sure Mr Ichi was employing sarcasm there.

Just UNO question: I'll ask what everyone else is thinking. If you such a playa, why were you so hurt when your previous "gf" played you? Why even care? Just move on to the next football field if you are that successful in scoring td's. Just curious.

[DickTracy25]

It really does not bother me if you don't believe in me, you are entitle to your opinion, and I am entitle to my. When come down to it. I know deep inside I can score TD the red zone while others have to send in the punt team.


DT25: dude- sarcasm. Pretty sure Mr Ichi was employing sarcasm there.

Just UNO question: I'll ask what everyone else is thinking. If you such a playa, why were you so hurt when your previous "gf" played you? Why even care? Just move on to the next football field if you are that successful in scoring td's. Just curious.

[Lualualei808]

FYI. Four Seasons will be open again today Friday January 16,2015.

[Ichigo808]

DT25: dude- sarcasm. Pretty sure Mr Ichi was employing sarcasm there.

Just UNO question: I'll ask what everyone else is thinking. If you such a playa, why were you so hurt when your previous "gf" played you? Why even care? Just move on to the next football field if you are that successful in scoring td's. Just curious.No sarcasm on my part. But I can relate as I'm sure all / any of us can when you fall for a gal and in the nature of their profession / hobby you get hurt ofcourse you are going to feel hurt. Even in real life which is more worse cause that's where you would least expect it atleast its a little less painful with an industry gal. Just my honest opinion. Never mind starting shit you ass clowns! Drink on!

[Eric Shin]

For the ones I've been out with, my score rate is nearly 100%. When I say go out, I mean go sing karaoke or go round top for drink then do um in the car or at her place. IMHO! You can tell when they are playing you and say ok to dinner but want you to take um to work after. Don't know why! But they are Supah easy when you get um outside of the bar. Think most are simply lonely.

[Realdeal808]

No sarcasm on my part. But I can relate as I'm sure all / any of us can when you fall for a gal and in the nature of their profession / hobby you get hurt ofcourse you are going to feel hurt. Even in real life which is more worse cause that's where you would least expect it atleast its a little less painful with an industry gal. Just my honest opinion. Never mind starting shit you ass clowns! Drink on!Ok, my bad. Didn't give you enuf credit for your capacity for compassion.

On another note, have you done any target practice from or in any foxholes lately? Just being an ass clown whatever that is.

[DickTracy25]

Someone is finally believing in me. Yes, I tell it like it is. If you make yourself look good, lose a few pounds, take a bath before you go to the bar, put on clean cloths, get a hair cut and clean shaving, use deodorant and aftershave, mouth wash. These kind of the things will add to your chance of scoring. BGs can't stand guys with bad breath, there was this BG told me once, " hey, you see this old guy sit by the corner of the bar, his breath smell like rotten egg" I LAMO.

BTW, I went back to Kahili 5 plex try to hook up with Yujin. There is something I discovered. I give her a 7 out of 10 scale on her body. Beer was right, she does has some fat on the back of her legs. Maybe a little treadmill exercise would help tighten it up. There is also something I discovered, her face with less makeup on showing some flaws, possibly under the knife recently. I will pass on this lady for now. Same bar, there was this tall BG coming out from the kitchen, about 5-10, see cup, model like body, tattoo on the back on her neck. She is a princess, I will try to hook up with her when I have a chance. Anyone know 411 on her? PM ok.


No sarcasm on my part. But I can relate as I'm sure all / any of us can when you fall for a gal and in the nature of their profession / hobby you get hurt ofcourse you are going to feel hurt. Even in real life which is more worse cause that's where you would least expect it atleast its a little less painful with an industry gal. Just my honest opinion. Never mind starting shit you ass clowns! Drink on!

[Shipshape]

Thanks Ichigo for you believing in me. I am not trying to brag. But if I see a BG I like to bang, I will certain end up banging her.

Why I don't reveal any BGs names that I bang? And prove to some of you that I really did it. Simple. I don't want to open up a can of worms, get someone heart broken or the BG's money line cut. What happen to grandpa if they found out their "sweetheart" have been banging by me? I am sure Sugar daddy will not continue to support their " sweetheart" if they found that out.

Why guys spend thousands of dollars chasing BGs that they like? But end up getting nothing. The reason is very simple, " turn off". There are things BGs don't like, bad glooming and hygiene. Dress sloppy, out of shape.

Money is NOT everything when come to score BGs, remember BGs choose who they fuck, money can't buy them to go to bed with you. It is not like you go to AMP and get an automatic touchdown, you have to work on it when come to dealing with BGs. Charisma & Charm, you definitely need that, money would help but it is not a guarantee you score.

Go to where the actions is, Kalihi is a good place to go now, it is busier than town. Most town side bars " Butterfly, International, 74 " are ghost town. Don't waste your time there until business get better.Ok so if I'm reading this right, you side / support the KBGs by helping them keep their little secrets as to who is banging whom on the side. (I always get that who / whom thing mixed up) Anyways, that's cool, it's just good to know a contributors mindset and what are the "intents" behind reports (albeit it goes against the basic intent of this forum). Again, don't take it wrong as I fully appreciate all the loverboys out there and encourage them to spend, spend, spend the money. LOL.

We've had the grooming / hygiene discussion in the past but it is worth bringing up again. Of course it is basically the same no matter what scenario you find yourself in. Being one of those old guys it always amazes me when a young guy comes in to apply for a job and doesn't present himself well. He may be qualified (in the technical sense) but, ain't no way he's going to get the job if he looks like some "gangsta" or hasn't met Mr. Shower recently. I have no doubt that KBGs prefer clean smelling young turks when they are considering a possible post-work liason.

One of the positive side effects (and there are just a few) about getting old is that you just don't care about anyone else's scorecard anymore. It's not a competition cause you just aren't interested in playing that game. How many BGs you bang is of no concern to me. Odds are that the BGs you're interested in are too young for me anyways LOL. I'm really not interested in chasing with $$$ some 20 or 30 year-old BG. Shoots, it is way more efficient and economical to just go to some AMP. When I go for the "social" interaction at a bar then it is a rare circumstance that I can relate to some girl in that age group who thinks the Taliban is some new rock group or sunglasses.

Honestly about the only advantage us older guys have is that we don't care about scorecards and we know, without a doubt, that we made it to old age, something that young folks cannot say.

Ss.

[Kaina2076]

Ok so if I'm reading this right, you side / support the KBGs by helping them keep their little secrets as to who is banging whom on the side. (I always get that who / whom thing mixed up) Anyways, that's cool, it's just good to know a contributors mindset and what are the "intents" behind reports (albeit it goes against the basic intent of this forum). Again, don't take it wrong as I fully appreciate all the loverboys out there and encourage them to spend, spend, spend the money. LOL.

We've had the grooming / hygiene discussion in the past but it is worth bringing up again. Of course it is basically the same no matter what scenario you find yourself in. Being one of those old guys it always amazes me when a young guy comes in to apply for a job and doesn't present himself well. He may be qualified (in the technical sense) but, ain't no way he's going to get the job if he looks like some "gangsta" or hasn't met Mr. Shower recently. I have no doubt that KBGs prefer clean smelling young turks when they are considering a possible post-work liason.

One of the positive side effects (and there are just a few) about getting old is that you just don't care about anyone else's scorecard anymore. It's not a competition cause you just aren't interested in playing that game. How many BGs you bang is of no concern to me. Odds are that the BGs you're interested in are too young for me anyways LOL. I'm really not interested in chasing with $$$ some 20 or 30 year-old BG. Shoots, it is way more efficient and economical to just go to some AMP. When I go for the "social" interaction at a bar then it is a rare circumstance that I can relate to some girl in that age group who thinks the Taliban is some new rock group or sunglasses.

Honestly about the only advantage us older guys have is that we don't care about scorecards and we know, without a doubt, that we made it to old age, something that young folks cannot say.

Ss.Hey SS have to disagree. You are absolutely correct in saying the old guys are beyond "scorecards" However I think there are several more arrows in the old guys quiver. This is of course assuming that the old guy in question is not a "hauna" slob. Adding to the "no scorecard" laissez faire attitude would be: wisdom, respectability, believability, "he is no danger to me"(from BG's point of view). Add to that some disposable income and the old guy is a force with which to contend. I was young, passable looking, but no money. I'm now old, not hauna, and have money. I'm having much more fun and success as an old guy. But the best part is, I don't care. One way or the other.

Kaina.

[Getting Old]

No sarcasm on my part. But I can relate as I'm sure all / any of us can when you fall for a gal and in the nature of their profession / hobby you get hurt ofcourse you are going to feel hurt. Even in real life which is more worse cause that's where you would least expect it atleast its a little less painful with an industry gal. Just my honest opinion. Never mind starting shit you ass clowns! Drink on!Bro Ichi you was drunk when you when post that? This guy is so full of himself even the other troll can see it (sarcasm). But he can't. This is pretty sad for this guy. Hey you got an INVITATION from Oldee to go out with us guys. Why don't you take him up on that invite and prove once and for all your acumen in the KB. Since you such a young, handsome and rich stud maybe some of us older, uglier, flabby, members can take some pointers from the master.

YOU! Talk the talk real good but now it's time to walk the walk and Bro Ichi I know you right but just checked this guy who admin blocked for me so I don't get banned from this web site he got over 500 posts. Man oh man.

Just ignore this guy! In his post he wants to protect the KBG well by saying that he telling us he like take but no like give. What the F% . You no like contribute to this blog please do not waste others time by instigating your fantasy play land in your mind. Everyone knows like the other troll you full of it and those that don't you better read the past blogs like Bro CHibi. You can learn a lot by reading. But we not going learn anything from you other than bragging about your exploits in the bar land in your mind grow up you have to be over 21. Or not age is relative but I have a limited amount of time before my lady friend comes back from the mainland again so if you want to put everyone who has been going to the bar for some years, opinion to rest accept Oldee invite and PROVE IT!

Oh! Admin banned you from my list so I don't see your posts and like the other troll I reply to PM to those I respect and I do not respect you such a blatant * Admin I apologize again. Been doing that a lot lately. But yeah soon will have to lurk again she knows my sign on. So maybe in trouble already.

Prove to everyone you the man you say you are? Or is this bull shit too? And if this doesn't get you to PM Oldee with a time and place nothing will and we will all know you for the troll you are. Oldee knows my time constraints so set it up with him. Please do not disappoint us. Any other brothers like see this stud in action?

[Shipshape]

Hey SS have to disagree. You are absolutely correct in saying the old guys are beyond "scorecards" However I think there are several more arrows in the old guys quiver. This is of course assuming that the old guy in question is not a "hauna" slob. Adding to the "no scorecard" laissez faire attitude would be: wisdom, respectability, believability, "he is no danger to me"(from BG's point of view). Add to that some disposable income and the old guy is a force with which to contend. I was young, passable looking, but no money. I'm now old, not hauna, and have money. I'm having much more fun and success as an old guy. But the best part is, I don't care. One way or the other.

Kaina.Yes and no and then again yes. A lot of KBGs are attracted to the bad boy image. If you get a reputation of "he is no danger to me" it may or may not work to your advantage. I'm tagged that way in some bars, tagged as a Cheap Charlie in others, and tagged as "danger" in others. The fun part is, depending upon my mood, I can choose which rep to play on any given night. It's just a game and sometimes beats watching "Pawn Stars" reruns.

Ss.

[DickTracy25]

I am not saying what I doing is right, banging BGs while someone else is paying them rent and car. But when come down to it, don't you think they are entitle to some kind of joy of their own? Some of these high end princesses driving Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, carry a $5000 handbag to work. Wearing $2000 worth of designer clothing and shoe, all paid for by sugar daddy. But one thing is missing in their life. Satisfaction in bed.

There is this BG I am banging now. She has a grandpa sugar daddy, he can't perform and she is not satisfy, but she has been taken care of by him financially. This princess has kids almost at my age, I am a little older though. We have good sex once in a while at a hotel. She does cowgirl very well and I love her moaning. This princess loves sex, our hotel staying often last till sunrise, climax over and over until we are totally exhausted.

People always want to know who am I banging? I get PM from people want to find out who the princess is. They probably want it to find out if I am banging their " Sweetheart ".

But seriously, why would I ruin the princess money pipe line by revealing her identity? She is doing me a favor by banging me. Bottom line we both enjoy what we are doing!

Let put you in my shoe. Would you reveal the princess identity? My guess is probably NOT.


Ok so if I'm reading this right, you side / support the KBGs by helping them keep their little secrets as to who is banging whom on the side. (I always get that who / whom thing mixed up) Anyways, that's cool, it's just good to know a contributors mindset and what are the "intents" behind reports (albeit it goes against the basic intent of this forum). Again, don't take it wrong as I fully appreciate all the loverboys out there and encourage them to spend, spend, spend the money. LOL.

We've had the grooming / hygiene discussion in the past but it is worth bringing up again. Of course it is basically the same no matter what scenario you find yourself in. Being one of those old guys it always amazes me when a young guy comes in to apply for a job and doesn't present himself well. He may be qualified (in the technical sense) but, ain't no way he's going to get the job if he looks like some "gangsta" or hasn't met Mr. Shower recently. I have no doubt that KBGs prefer clean smelling young turks when they are considering a possible post-work liason.

One of the positive side effects (and there are just a few) about getting old is that you just don't care about anyone else's scorecard anymore. It's not a competition cause you just aren't interested in playing that game. How many BGs you bang is of no concern to me. Odds are that the BGs you're interested in are too young for me anyways LOL. I'm really not interested in chasing with $$$ some 20 or 30 year-old BG. Shoots, it is way more efficient and economical to just go to some AMP. When I go for the "social" interaction at a bar then it is a rare circumstance that I can relate to some girl in that age group who thinks the Taliban is some new rock group or sunglasses.

Honestly about the only advantage us older guys have is that we don't care about scorecards and we know, without a doubt, that we made it to old age, something that young folks cannot say.

Ss.

[Kaina2076]

Yes and no and then again yes. A lot of KBGs are attracted to the bad boy image. If you get a reputation of "he is no danger to me" it may or may not work to your advantage. I'm tagged that way in some bars, tagged as a Cheap Charlie in others, and tagged as "danger" in others. The fun part is, depending upon my mood, I can choose which rep to play on any given night. It's just a game and sometimes beats watching "Pawn Stars" reruns.

Ss.I like your program SS. Keep them on their toes. Nevah know which SS goin show up today. That way they have to pay attention.

Kaina.

[Udakine]

Hey SS have to disagree. You are absolutely correct in saying the old guys are beyond "scorecards" However I think there are several more arrows in the old guys quiver. This is of course assuming that the old guy in question is not a "hauna" slob. Adding to the "no scorecard" laissez faire attitude would be: wisdom, respectability, believability, "he is no danger to me"(from BG's point of view). Add to that some disposable income and the old guy is a force with which to contend. I was young, passable looking, but no money. I'm now old, not hauna, and have money. I'm having much more fun and success as an old guy. But the best part is, I don't care. One way or the other.

Kaina.Out of curiosity, what would you say is the cut off to be considered an old guy?

Mahaloz bros.

[Shipshape]

Out of curiosity, what would you say is the cut off to be considered an old guy?

Mahaloz bros.Hmmm, tough one. I think its kindah individual and probably based upon looks and attitude. In my case, I know I look old (or as the polite KBGs say "older" Ever see that guy with jet black hair with white 1/4" roots? He's an old guy (still coming to terms with himself) See the oldest guy at Evergreens who is always there, well dressed and quiet? He's an older gentleman and not just an old guy. I think it depends upon how you carry yourself. Now, of course, the KBGs will place you in various categories. That's up to them and there ain't nothing I can do about it. So I think it kind of comes down to how you present yourself in the KB and / or how you are perceived. What's the cutoff point when you join the older guys club? Well, and this is only my opinion, its when you find you have no interest in fighting or fights, you know when to say please and thank you, you don't fall into other folks cause your so drunk, you don't yell in the bar, and the majority of the KBGs are the same age as your daughter. LOL! Me? In case your curious. I'm on the wrong side of 60.

Ss.

[Johnny14]

Hmmm, tough one. I think its kindah individual and probably based upon looks and attitude.

Now, of course, the KBGs will place you in various categories. That's up to them and there ain't nothing I can do about it.

Ss.Reminds me one time I came by Cheers Station and parked my rare import sports car in front where the KBG take a break outside. None was there when I pulled up, so decided to go upstairs to check out that place first.

I was in my jogging pants, t-shirt and came down after 10 minutes to walk by the KBG's who were now outside next to my car. They didn't even notice me walking by and into the bar for a few. None of the girls came by, probably thinking this local guy in jogging pants and t-shirt is some loser or what.

So I came back out, walked pass those KBG sitting outside and opened the door of my sports car that had a modified carbon fiber hood and painted bright red. You should see their eyes suddenly light up as if the cash register start ringing with big $$ dollar signs. A couple came next to me, one had her arm around mine and offered to go back inside for a drink!

Fuckers alright showed their true colors and declined, saying I got a call from another KBG at another bar, so "see ya".

Most are materialistic and only see the outside of potential guys to rip off. Better just to bang un and leave um. Good hunting.

[DickTracy25]

Looks and the way you carry yourself are very important of increase your chance of scoring a princess.

Remember those are not AMP girls, if you sit next to a princess and start grabbing, chances are you will not go home with her. Act like a gentleman and treat her like you treat your SO.

Dress sharp and look presentable, High end BGs don't like to take bums back to their apartment.

When I go on a fishing trip, I always look sharp, Rolex watch on one hand and nice shoe on my feet.

I used to break a one hundred bill and fan the change on the table, I don't do it anymore cause I hear snatching. Some guy come in pick up the money and walk out.

So what I am doing now is to pre- roll so stack of bills, 3, 4 hundred dollar bills on the outside with smaller bills in the middle. BGs see that big roll of bills you bring out from your pocket, they are going to stay with you for long time.


Reminds me one time I came by Cheers Station and parked my rare import sports car in front where the KBG take a break outside. None was there when I pulled up, so decided to go upstairs to check out that place first.

I was in my jogging pants, t-shirt and came down after 10 minutes to walk by the KBG's who were now outside next to my car. They didn't even notice me walking by and into the bar for a few. None of the girls came by, probably thinking this local guy in jogging pants and t-shirt is some loser or what.

So I came back out, walked pass those KBG sitting outside and opened the door of my sports car that had a modified carbon fiber hood and painted bright red. You should see their eyes suddenly light up as if the cash register start ringing with big $$ dollar signs. A couple came next to me, one had her arm around mine and offered to go back inside for a drink!

Fuckers alright showed their true colors and declined, saying I got a call from another KBG at another bar, so "see ya".

Most are materialistic and only see the outside of potential guys to rip off. Better just to bang un and leave um. Good hunting.

[Realdeal808]

Out of curiosity, what would you say is the cut off to be considered an old guy?

Mahaloz bros.When the hottie bg next to you whispers "let's get outa here and have some fun", and you reply "nah, I got early tee time tomorrow so I got to go home and sleep". Then you put bifocals on and look at your watch and it's only 7 pm, then it's probably time to hang them up. Outside of that sort of event, it's GAME ON! IMO.

[Kaina2076]

Out of curiosity, what would you say is the cut off to be considered an old guy?

Mahaloz bros.



Hmmm, tough one. I think its kindah individual and probably based upon looks and attitude. In my case, I know I look old (or as the polite KBGs say "older" Ever see that guy with jet black hair with white 1/4" roots? He's an old guy (still coming to terms with himself) See the oldest guy at Evergreens who is always there, well dressed and quiet? He's an older gentleman and not just an old guy. I think it depends upon how you carry yourself. Now, of course, the KBGs will place you in various categories. That's up to them and there ain't nothing I can do about it. So I think it kind of comes down to how you present yourself in the KB and / or how you are perceived. What's the cutoff point when you join the older guys club? Well, and this is only my opinion, its when you find you have no interest in fighting or fights, you know when to say please and thank you, you don't fall into other folks cause your so drunk, you don't yell in the bar, and the majority of the KBGs are the same age as your daughter. LOL! Me? In case your curious. I'm on the wrong side of 60.

Ss.I agree with everything SS has said. This is a completely subjective subject to which no set numbers can be attached. There is the aspect of physical appearance combined with mental aspect of how you think and act. These two elements make up how you are viewed by others. It would be interesting to me to know what a 35 ish year old BG honestly thought of me: old, older, ancient. Of course I would never get an honest answer. But one good measure of Old Guyism is "no worry, be happy".

Kaina.

[BeerAddict]

Any brothers out there check out the old Four Seasons last night? My buddies said the place looks nice now but no girls in sight. Will probably check it out tonight and report back tomorrow.

Be safe brothers.

[Udakine]

Hmmm, tough one. I think its kindah individual and probably based upon looks and attitude. In my case, I know I look old (or as the polite KBGs say "older" Ever see that guy with jet black hair with white 1/4" roots? He's an old guy (still coming to terms with himself) See the oldest guy at Evergreens who is always there, well dressed and quiet? He's an older gentleman and not just an old guy. I think it depends upon how you carry yourself. Now, of course, the KBGs will place you in various categories. That's up to them and there ain't nothing I can do about it. So I think it kind of comes down to how you present yourself in the KB and / or how you are perceived. What's the cutoff point when you join the older guys club? Well, and this is only my opinion, its when you find you have no interest in fighting or fights, you know when to say please and thank you, you don't fall into other folks cause your so drunk, you don't yell in the bar, and the majority of the KBGs are the same age as your daughter. LOL! Me? In case your curious. I'm on the wrong side of 60.

Ss.SS-.

Thanks for the info. Based on the 5 criteria that you have mentioned, I'm almost in the club.

Be safe bros.

[Uki Eater]

I agree with everything SS has said. This is a completely subjective subject to which no set numbers can be attached. There is the aspect of physical appearance combined with mental aspect of how you think and act. These two elements make up how you are viewed by others. It would be interesting to me to know what a 35 ish year old BG honestly thought of me: old, older, ancient. Of course I would never get an honest answer. But one good measure of Old Guyism is "no worry, be happy".

Kaina.How old you dude? What category you fall under? This was taken from "Mongering with Ole Guys".

A=18-25.

B=25-35.

C=35-45.

D=45-55.

E=55-65.

F=65+.

[Getting Old]

Ok so if I'm reading this right, you side / support the KBGs by helping them keep their little secrets as to who is banging whom on the side. (I always get that who / whom thing mixed up) Anyways, that's cool, it's just good to know a contributors mindset and what are the "intents" behind reports (albeit it goes against the basic intent of this forum). Again, don't take it wrong as I fully appreciate all the loverboys out there and encourage them to spend, spend, spend the money. LOL.

We've had the grooming / hygiene discussion in the past but it is worth bringing up again. Of course it is basically the same no matter what scenario you find yourself in. Being one of those old guys it always amazes me when a young guy comes in to apply for a job and doesn't present himself well. He may be qualified (in the technical sense) but, ain't no way he's going to get the job if he looks like some "gangsta" or hasn't met Mr. Shower recently. I have no doubt that KBGs prefer clean smelling young turks when they are considering a possible post-work liason.

One of the positive side effects (and there are just a few) about getting old is that you just don't care about anyone else's scorecard anymore. It's not a competition cause you just aren't interested in playing that game. How many BGs you bang is of no concern to me. Odds are that the BGs you're interested in are too young for me anyways LOL. I'm really not interested in chasing with $$$ some 20 or 30 year-old BG. Shoots, it is way more efficient and economical to just go to some AMP. When I go for the "social" interaction at a bar then it is a rare circumstance that I can relate to some girl in that age group who thinks the Taliban is some new rock group or sunglasses.

Honestly about the only advantage us older guys have is that we don't care about scorecards and we know, without a doubt, that we made it to old age, something that young folks cannot say.

Ss.I guess we there now. Remember when we thought we would never get that old like the guy on the bar. Well we the guys on the bar now.

I just don't like fabricators never did never will but it takes all kinds in this world. The guy not worth your time or trouble. He has already stated he on the KBG side with no disclosure so my advice before someone calls your hand young man is to just refrain from posting so that the brothers that would like to share can. The other Troll called it right and bro Ichi is being nice but sarcasm and all the brothers here know you full of it has it's place. I can't imagine anyone being so conceited and full of himself like you you don't even know you being ridiculed.

Oldee invited you to prove your KB acumen, I have time constraints but I would like to see a master in action. How about you take Oldee invite and show him and me all you all can be. Any other brothers like see this guy in action. PM Oldee. Set up a day and time we can meet and I will try my best to be there comic book two way radio man. You can talk, the talk all you want but sometimes you have to prove you can walk the walk. As well. I look forward to your response PM Oldee on the time and place so we can invite some of the other brothers. We all like see one master at work.

[John Ross]

I fall into one of the latter categories, but age is nothing but a number. Your mindset will determine when you are in the old category. You could be young (chronologically) and still be categorized as old and feeble when you start believing some of the bullshit that is being posted.

[DickTracy25]

There is no way someone should be labeling as "king" in this hobby. He might has age and experience over others. However kick off is at the 35 yard line for everyone, young and old. I believe there is only one "king" in this world. Mr Elvis.


I fall into one of the latter categories, but age is nothing but a number. Your mindset will determine when you are in the old category. You could be young (chronologically) and still be categorized as old and feeble when you start believing some of the bullshit that is being posted..

[Ichigo808]

I fall into one of the latter categories, but age is nothing but a number. Your mindset will determine when you are in the old category. You could be young (chronologically) and still be categorized as old and feeble when you start believing some of the bullshit that is being posted.Age is a mentality and just a number. You all just crack me up! Maybe its time for me to hang up my shoes and retire. Getting bored nowadays going to the bars but the atmoshere provided its a festive one is kinda addicting to say the least. Same old shit here and there, always getting text's to come out and drinkie with me, when I going see you, blahblahblah yadayadayada. Starting this year onward I will be downshifting because I'm honestly getting bored to death or could be drinking myself to death choose one. Until next time fellow chaps. Lurker mode to ensue.

[John Ross]

Age is a mentality and just a number. Of course, those of us that say that are usually older. Hahaha!

[Shipshape]

Reminds me one time I came by Cheers Station and parked my rare import sports car in front where the KBG take a break outside. None was there when I pulled up, so decided to go upstairs to check out that place first.

I was in my jogging pants, t-shirt and came down after 10 minutes to walk by the KBG's who were now outside next to my car. They didn't even notice me walking by and into the bar for a few. None of the girls came by, probably thinking this local guy in jogging pants and t-shirt is some loser or what.

So I came back out, walked pass those KBG sitting outside and opened the door of my sports car that had a modified carbon fiber hood and painted bright red. You should see their eyes suddenly light up as if the cash register start ringing with big $$ dollar signs. A couple came next to me, one had her arm around mine and offered to go back inside for a drink!

Fuckers alright showed their true colors and declined, saying I got a call from another KBG at another bar, so "see ya".

Most are materialistic and only see the outside of potential guys to rip off. Better just to bang un and leave um. Good hunting.Yeah, that happens at "civilian" bars too. Years ago sitting at a nightclub bar, working on a hookup, this girl's friend shows up and makes a big deal about how he just financed an RX7. Girl looks at me and asks "what kind of car do you drive". Well if a car was going to be what it takes to seal the deal, then I decided right there to screw it. I told her I had a cheap old Datsun. Yup, she turned right back to her RX7 boy. Me? I forgot to tell her I had enough in the bank to buy RX7's for every day of the week.

[Johnny14]

Yeah, that happens at "civilian" bars too. Years ago sitting at a nightclub bar, working on a hookup, this girl's friend shows up and makes a big deal about how he just financed an RX7. Girl looks at me and asks "what kind of car do you drive". Well if a car was going to be what it takes to seal the deal, then I decided right there to screw it. I told her I had a cheap old Datsun. Yup, she turned right back to her RX7 boy. Me? I forgot to tell her I had enough in the bank to buy RX7's for every day of the week.I probably know that guy and that chick. I used to have a RX7 and knew most guys who have or had one. Funny, most guys who own one get it for mechanical / technical reasons, besides it reputation as not being a piston engine vehicle. While their gf have no appreciation other than it looks sexy and hot for the status like how they put on make up to look good.

[Kaina2076]

I probably know that guy and that chick. I used to have a RX7 and knew most guys who have or had one. Funny, most guys who own one get it for mechanical / technical reasons, besides it reputation as not being a piston engine vehicle. While their gf have no appreciation other than it looks sexy and hot for the status like how they put on make up to look good.


Yeah, that happens at "civilian" bars too. Years ago sitting at a nightclub bar, working on a hookup, this girl's friend shows up and makes a big deal about how he just financed an RX7. Girl looks at me and asks "what kind of car do you drive". Well if a car was going to be what it takes to seal the deal, then I decided right there to screw it. I told her I had a cheap old Datsun. Yup, she turned right back to her RX7 boy. Me? I forgot to tell her I had enough in the bank to buy RX7's for every day of the week.I own 3 cars. One is kind of high end and stands out. The 2nd is a medium nice pickup. The 3rd is an old black Honda Civic. The high end one is not that expensive (although the KGB's think it is) but there are not that many around and unfortunately easily identifies me. I'm sure this car has helped me on many occasions. It's fun to experience the reaction when the girl thinks I am Mr. Pickup and then I show up for our date in the high end vehicle. It definitely puts me in better field position for drive to the goal line. Then there is the Honda Civic, which I refer to as my "stealth" car; totally nondescript when parked outside some Korea-town condo at 4 in the morning.

Kaina.

[Realdeal808]

Looks and the way you carry yourself are very important of increase your chance of scoring a princess.

Remember those are not AMP girls, if you sit next to a princess and start grabbing, chances are you will not go home with her. Act like a gentleman and treat her like you treat your SO.

Dress sharp and look presentable, High end BGs don't like to take bums back to their apartment.

When I go on a fishing trip, I always look sharp, Rolex watch on one hand and nice shoe on my feet.

I used to break a one hundred bill and fan the change on the table, I don't do it anymore cause I hear snatching. Some guy come in pick up the money and walk out.

So what I am doing now is to pre- roll so stack of bills, 3, 4 hundred dollar bills on the outside with smaller bills in the middle. BGs see that big roll of bills you bring out from your pocket, they are going to stay with you for long time.Dude,

I believe your claims to fame. I don't want any names from you, but I do have a couple of questions since I could use some tips. First, do your kbg's get upset when they see you with another bg? If so, how do you handle that? Second, on average, how much do you have to spend before you score td's with kbg's? Also, is it better to take them shopping or just buy stuff for them while shopping on your own?

Appreciate it. I need to up my game.

[Shipshape]

I own 3 cars. One is kind of high end and stands out. The 2nd is a medium nice pickup. The 3rd is an old black Honda Civic. The high end one is not that expensive (although the KGB's think it is) but there are not that many around and unfortunately easily identifies me. I'm sure this car has helped me on many occasions. It's fun to experience the reaction when the girl thinks I am Mr. Pickup and then I show up for our date in the high end vehicle. It definitely puts me in better field position for drive to the goal line. Then there is the Honda Civic, which I refer to as my "stealth" car; totally nondescript when parked outside some Korea-town condo at 4 in the morning.

Kaina.I like it! Tactical to practical LOL! We've covered how you smell, what you wear, where to sit, and who to hit. And now, what car works best. Yah just can't say we're not trying to even the playing field. LOL.

Ss.

[H Mobius]

Yeah, that happens at "civilian" bars too. Years ago sitting at a nightclub bar, working on a hookup, this girl's friend shows up and makes a big deal about how he just financed an RX7. Girl looks at me and asks "what kind of car do you drive". Well if a car was going to be what it takes to seal the deal, then I decided right there to screw it. I told her I had a cheap old Datsun. Yup, she turned right back to her RX7 boy. Me? I forgot to tell her I had enough in the bank to buy RX7's for every day of the week.LOL. I always get a kick out seeing the girl's reaction to my Flintstones POS. One girl was worried as we walked along, pointing out nice cars. "This one?" Nope. "This one?" Nope. THIS one. No more requests for taxi service after that :)

[DickTracy25]

There is nothing for me to prove, when I go bar I don't need someone to hold my hand and tell me which girl is approachable. I am sure I can pick and choose on my own without a helping hand.

I prefer solo when I go drinking, why would I sit with a guy as my helper, and he ear dropping for what I have to say to a BG that I like?

Like I said, there is no " king, master, god " in this hobby, we all playing on an equal field, young or old, we all kick off at the 35 yards line.

We all do make mistakes in this hobby, but a smart one is going to correct his mistakes and move on.


I guess we there now. Remember when we thought we would never get that old like the guy on the bar. Well we the guys on the bar now.

I just don't like fabricators never did never will but it takes all kinds in this world. The guy not worth your time or trouble. He has already stated he on the KBG side with no disclosure so my advice before someone calls your hand young man is to just refrain from posting so that the brothers that would like to share can. The other Troll called it right and bro Ichi is being nice but sarcasm and all the brothers here know you full of it has it's place. I can't imagine anyone being so conceited and full of himself like you you don't even know you being ridiculed.

Oldee invited you to prove your KB acumen, I have time constraints but I would like to see a master in action. How about you take Oldee invite and show him and me all you all can be. Any other brothers like see this guy in action. PM Oldee. Set up a day and time we can meet and I will try my best to be there comic book two way radio man. You can talk, the talk all you want but sometimes you have to prove you can walk the walk. As well. I look forward to your response PM Oldee on the time and place so we can invite some of the other brothers. We all like see one master at work.

[Thumperforq]

LOL. I always get a kick out seeing the girl's reaction to my Flintstones POS. One girl was worried as we walked along, pointing out nice cars. "This one?" Nope. "This one?" Nope. THIS one. No more requests for taxi service after that :)LOL. I do the same to screen and find the diamond in the rough. Lately seen less willing KBG and VBGs willing. More money for the AMPs!!

[KbMonger]

There is nothing for me to prove, when I go bar I don't need someone to hold my hand and tell me which girl is approachable. I am sure I can pick and choose on my own without a helping hand.

I prefer solo when I go drinking, why would I sit with a guy as my helper, and he ear dropping for what I have to say to a BG that I like?

Like I said, there is no " king, master, god " in this hobby, we all playing on an equal field, young or old, we all kick off at the 35 yards line.

We all do make mistakes in this hobby, but a smart one is going to correct his mistakes and move on.The problem dt25 is you've proven to be full of it in the past so now nobody believes anything you say. So yes, to build any credibility, you do have something to prove. In reality no one here really cares what you say or wether it's true or not. I personally hope it's true because I wish the best for all but your response above just sounds like a cop out. The other brothers who have called you out don't want to "hold your hand" or be your "helper" either. They're just asking you to prove it. Just telling you like I and probably 90% of the other readers see it.

[DickTracy25]

First of all, I gladly appreciate you believe in me.

I am no god, no master, no king in this hobby. But I do have charms and charismas which BGs like. Again money is not everything when come to score TD. I have seen grandpas spend truck load of money on BGs, all they got is a kiss in the cheek when it is all said and done.

Money spending vary on my fishing trips, sometimes hundreds and sometimes much less. It depends, I don't go to KB to buy girls, I go there to enjoy and if I met a BG that I like, I would make my approach. Buy them a few drinks and let see what happen after that.

It is very stupid to sit with someone else when the BG that you banging is around. I would never do that, you are asking for trouble. I have seen BGs throw blows for fighting over a customer.

Lastly I do go shopping with BGs, if they see something that they like, I would buy for them if I can afford it. Sometimes they would tell me, " honey buy me this, I like it".

Hope I answered all your questions. Thanks.


Dude,

I believe your claims to fame. I don't want any names from you, but I do have a couple of questions since I could use some tips. First, do your kbg's get upset when they see you with another bg? If so, how do you handle that? Second, on average, how much do you have to spend before you score td's with kbg's? Also, is it better to take them shopping or just buy stuff for them while shopping on your own?

Appreciate it. I need to up my game.

[Getting Old]

The problem dt25 is you've proven to be full of it in the past so now nobody believes anything you say. So yes, to build any credibility, you do have something to prove. In reality no one here really cares what you say or wether it's true or not. I personally hope it's true because I wish the best for all but your response above just sounds like a cop out. The other brothers who have called you out don't want to "hold your hand" or be your "helper" either. They're just asking you to prove it. Just telling you like I and probably 90% of the other readers see it.Bro; kbmonger you spot on I was laughing and breaking apart this guys retort but why give fuel to the fire. This guy is so caught up in his own lies and I really believe he believes it. I feel for him but someone sent me a post from the other troll and this inexperienced guy seems to believe comic book 2 way radio mans BS.

Comic book man do everybody a favor and take your own advice and "MOVE ON" don't waste this guys time with your fabrications because he may actually believe some of this BS. If you are still able to report facts why don't you start by giving reports like who is bar tending at such and such a place. Who having theme party or who having something special for Super Bowl. Etc. Tell the truth so the other brothers may believe you. Or move on out of this forum. But some of the brothers may want some comic relief so well since I don't see your posts anyway it's all good. Good luck to you, cause you keep on this way you really going to need it. Oh! By the way one last question when you score you drive the wahine to her place and park. Or not? You can at least reply to this simple question?

If a brother can PM me with his reply, if he replies. Thank you!

[DickTracy25]

Again, nothing to prove, I don't owe anyone money here.

I am not going to tell names and I am not going to go drinking with a group of grandpas holding my hands. Ear dropping to what I have to say to my princess.

I think I can hold my own and score TD whenever I can.

Believing in me is up to you. Some do and some don't. Bottom line I am going home with princess and some just get a kiss in the cheek and say good night.


The problem dt25 is you've proven to be full of it in the past so now nobody believes anything you say. So yes, to build any credibility, you do have something to prove. In reality no one here really cares what you say or wether it's true or not. I personally hope it's true because I wish the best for all but your response above just sounds like a cop out. The other brothers who have called you out don't want to "hold your hand" or be your "helper" either. They're just asking you to prove it. Just telling you like I and probably 90% of the other readers see it.