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IMHO, there are good and bad people of EVERY ethnicity, period. Not only that but good decent people outnumber the bad. If that was not so, the Dictatorship countries like North Korea, Syria etc would be the norm instead of free countries. Yes, there are millions or even a billion or more greedy selfish people on our planet but they are still the minority. A few really rotten people make the rest look bad. Many koreans are ashamed of KBs and the KB culure because they really discredit a remarkable people who on the whole are not like that. Yeah, a lot of rude crude greedy koreans outside the bars too. STILL, I believe they are not the majority. I would be the LAST guy to defend the KB culture as being good but I also know its not an overall reflection of koreans on the whole. I have experienced many things and peoples being an old fut, trust me when I say the Korean Bar culture is very unique.Sorry but I'm not trying to say whether they are good or bad. I'm just saying IMO that they are oblivious to other people and their feelings. They seem like they're in their own little world. It might just be that I'm hanging around too many Korean bars and restaurants.
Incogfilipino
08-31-13, 00:45
Sorry but I'm not trying to say whether they are good or bad. I'm just saying IMO that they are oblivious to other people and their feelings. They seem like they're in their own little world. It might just be that I'm hanging around too many Korean bars and restaurants.I think you have been hanging at too many Korean bars and restaurants. You just get an environment where they feel completely open, so they no longer really have to be mindful of others. I guess it's hard for me to explain, but it's like when black people talk to black people or other people from the hood. They change their accent and the way they talk sometimes. You get a guy in a suit who is very well spoken who becomes a thug back on the block when he speaks to his personal friends. Hell, even guys who speak pidgin here. You see a lot of them go moke when talking to other guys they know. Take that to a more extreme when in Korean restaurant, or a place like Chinatown, where it isn't just a person, but the whole environment where they don't have to act the same anymore. You ever been in Chinese restaurants and the Chinese people are just screaming at each other because that is how they normally talk to each other? Chinese restaurants are pretty loud places, and they get even louder when they start arguing over the check. And some white people think Asians are quiet and submissive. They obviously haven't eaten at real Chinese restaurants and just spend their time in PF Changs. But I digress.
That type of behavior is expected though. It's K-Town or Chinatown or whatever town it is. They ARE in their own little world. I don't think it's exclusive to Koreans, but I don't especially think it's a bad thing either.
Sorry but I'm not trying to say whether they are good or bad. I'm just saying IMO that they are oblivious to other people and their feelings. They seem like they're in their own little world. It might just be that I'm hanging around too many Korean bars and restaurants.They are strongly represented in most sectors of the mongering world, except for "streetwalkers", which to me is a bit of a shame especially seeing some of the girls who blow through the bars.
It would be great if many more Japan girls worked here (they do blow through the kbars but it is too rare and too brief), and not as princesses in places like the defunct J-bars that came and went.
I for one would love to see j-places (legit + HJ or lite play, or FS types) open up in Century Center; it would be a nice complement to all the Chinese and Thai establishments there. But alas, most of them seem to either not work at all (not even their own housework), work in nail salons, or live-off their SO in his multimillion-dollar condo.
I've been thinking about this recently after I counted over 2 dozen PMs asking about FMs and AKB tour in the last 12 months. Most are 0 post read only or few post guys. Regretably I got to decline thier invites even tho I'm sure most. Are nice guys and not spies. Anyhow, nowdays when I go bar, I always wonder who among the crowd is a forum reader, and do the KB customer base mirror the forum readership base. I remember when the software here used counted views and wad over 1k different IPs daily or even 1500 some days. What do you guys think? I know all local barbacks read as well as a lot of KBGs but what about KB customers? Think its like the bars where most are LVBs so no post? Thoughts?
I've been thinking about this recently after I counted over 2 dozen PMs asking about FMs and AKB tour in the last 12 months. Most are 0 post read only or few post guys. Regretably I got to decline thier invites even tho I'm sure most. Are nice guys and not spies. Anyhow, nowdays when I go bar, I always wonder who among the crowd is a forum reader, and do the KB customer base mirror the forum readership base. I remember when the software here used counted views and wad over 1k different IPs daily or even 1500 some days. What do you guys think? I know all local barbacks read as well as a lot of KBGs but what about KB customers? Think its like the bars where most are LVBs so no post? Thoughts?I think ACTIVE participants on this forum are not representative of KB goers in general. In the bars (Kalihi, that is) I think LVBs outnumber sukebe guys by a good percentage. 90% vs 10, respectively; town bars probably 80/20. I'd say active posters are comprised of 90% non LVBs and 10% red blooded LVBs. Most guys asking where can get play and LVBs no like hear or no like know, so they not active posters. To them, make shame for admit they one LVB, so they no post, so skew the frequency to more non-LVB on here.
I think ACTIVE participants on this forum are not representative of KB goers in general. In the bars (Kalihi, that is) I think LVBs outnumber sukebe guys by a good percentage. 90% vs 10, respectively; town bars probably 80/20. I'd say active posters are comprised of 90% non LVBs and 10% red blooded LVBs. Most guys asking where can get play and LVBs no like hear or no like know, so they not active posters. To them, make shame for admit they one LVB, so they no post, so skew the frequency to more non-LVB on here.Thanks for your reply Pursuer bro and I agree to your percentages exactly. There was a nice KB Lurker that replied via pm too. I knew wouldn't get many replies but that in itself is an indication of the readership base imo.
I've been thinking about this recently after I counted over 2 dozen PMs asking about FMs and AKB tour in the last 12 months. Most are 0 post read only or few post guys. Regretably I got to decline thier invites even tho I'm sure most. Are nice guys and not spies. Anyhow, nowdays when I go bar, I always wonder who among the crowd is a forum reader, and do the KB customer base mirror the forum readership base. I remember when the software here used counted views and wad over 1k different IPs daily or even 1500 some days. What do you guys think? I know all local barbacks read as well as a lot of KBGs but what about KB customers? Think its like the bars where most are LVBs so no post? Thoughts?Sup bruddah Oldee, I don't go to very many bars in general. Once I find KB's that will play and have a good time with me, I tend to frequent just those bars, but quite often. It seems that every time I meet a new bruddah in the bars, a number of them tend to start talking about the girls like they know them up close and personal. When asked how they got the info, they always tell me its from this forum. I've had guys disclose their screen names and others who are rather private about it. But they are not afraid to admit that they get their intel from the forum. In fact, I even had one guy ask if I knew who this "Oldee" guy was. I told him that Oldee is like a KB God-like Lochness Monster, he's around, you just can't see him. LOL, just kidding Oldee bro!
Aloha,
GK
Well skip this post if you want some useful information. LOL Anyways, I'm not sure how many folks read the forum and I'm not sure how much useful information is actually posted. But I do read it. Occasionally, after getting through the chaff there are some real and useful reports. Lurker, lvb (loverboy) , player, chat-type folks, it's all good. About the only ones I take issue with are the shills. Posting bogus reports that muddy the waters is pretty low, in my opinion, and goes totally against the primary directive of the forum.
What I think I've noticed as a general theme in postings is that by placing lvb's and lurkers in a negative light they (and I include me in that group sometimes) have a tendency to remain in the "lurk-mode" or apologize in their 1st posts that they are loverboys. The term lvb has a negative connotation to begin with, for many, and now I see we're adding Your Master into the mix. WhY? What does that accomplish other than to keep guys from posting."Hello, I'm So&So and I'm a lvb". Hey Mr Fellow LVB it's ok, in fact its a good thing that you are a lvb. This forum is for all, it is not owned by us, but, thank goodness it exists for all of us so lurkers, lvbs, whomever should be welcomed (or not). I for one appreciate lvb's and all that they do to help the KB / VB economy. Lurkers? So what? It's their call not mine. Shills? Sure wish there was a way we could "out-them".
Naming names. Some prefer not to for a myriad of reasons (it may I-D them, they want to "keep" their honey to themselves, they don't want to piss of the KBG, etc). Well then I would suggest not posting at that point."I'm going, you know where bro to see you know who tonight" is pointless other than to get your posting total to increase (and yes I'm on the edge of the pot calling the kettle black with this post) IMHO. She plays, she's a rob, that's all YMMV. She may not play with you, but she may play with me or vice versa. And, just exactly what is play? Some guys think play is holding hands (that's fine, just mention it in your post). Some guys define it as FIV at minimum."She showed me her titties" ok, that's a good beginning, and I'm not saying its using "play" as wrong terminology, but maybe we should consider a scale of play (1=holding hands. 2=she squeezed my knee. 3=she showed me her tits. 4=I held her tits. 5=I sucked her tits. 6=all of the previous and she didn't let go of jr, or some such scale). Just sayin'
There doctor, I feel better now. Back to the cave.
Ss
Well skip this post if you want some useful information. LOL Anyways, I'm not sure how many folks read the forum and I'm not sure how much useful information is actually posted. But I do read it. Occasionally, after getting through the chaff there are some real and useful reports. Lurker, lvb (loverboy) , player, chat-type folks, it's all good. About the only ones I take issue with are the shills. Posting bogus reports that muddy the waters is pretty low, in my opinion, and goes totally against the primary directive of the forum.
What I think I've noticed as a general theme in postings is that by placing lvb's and lurkers in a negative light they (and I include me in that group sometimes) have a tendency to remain in the "lurk-mode" or apologize in their 1st posts that they are loverboys. The term lvb has a negative connotation to begin with, for many, and now I see we're adding Your Master into the mix. WhY? What does that accomplish other than to keep guys from posting."Hello, I'm So&So and I'm a lvb". Hey Mr Fellow LVB it's ok, in fact its a good thing that you are a lvb. This forum is for all, it is not owned by us, but, thank goodness it exists for all of us so lurkers, lvbs, whomever should be welcomed (or not). I for one appreciate lvb's and all that they do to help the KB / VB economy. Lurkers? So what? It's their call not mine. Shills? Sure wish there was a way we could "out-them".
Naming names. Some prefer not to for a myriad of reasons (it may I-D them, they want to "keep" their honey to themselves, they don't want to piss of the KBG, etc). Well then I would suggest not posting at that point."I'm going, you know where bro to see you know who tonight" is pointless other than to get your posting total to increase (and yes I'm on the edge of the pot calling the kettle black with this post) IMHO. She plays, she's a rob, that's all YMMV. She may not play with you, but she may play with me or vice versa. And, just exactly what is play? Some guys think play is holding hands (that's fine, just mention it in your post). Some guys define it as FIV at minimum."She showed me her titties" ok, that's a good beginning, and I'm not saying its using "play" as wrong terminology, but maybe we should consider a scale of play (1=holding hands. 2=she squeezed my knee. 3=she showed me her tits. 4=I held her tits. 5=I sucked her tits. 6=all of the previous and she didn't let go of jr, or some such scale). Just sayin'
There doctor, I feel better now. Back to the cave.
SsHello I'm vapor and I'm a LVB!
Boy that feels good to get off my chest! Haha seriously SS has a point, No be shame if you LVB, tight ass, lurker, etc. I spend money when I'm getting what I want from who I want, cause I'm having fun! And I don't really give a crap if some lurkers are saying look at that sucka spending all his $$$. Maybe I'm thinking look at those sorry ass guys with no girls and all jealous of me! LOL Everybody here all go Bar to have fun, whatever that is for each person. These forums are to help each person get the best experience they can. Some guys like the ROB's cause they young and a challange, some like the mama's for their different view of the bar scene, some like to pay to feel 'loved'. Everyone need to contribute to put the info out there. More info actually helps everyone cause the mama's read this and if something is being done that works to bring in the customers and make them happy they will probably do it, but not if there are 15 guys (out of the 1000's that go bars) on here voicing their opinions. Granted I don't post much cause my experiences will probably 'out me' and I would like to keep lurking in the shadows but I ave no problem meeting USG bros for drinks and my limited (very limited!) advise.
Can't we all just get along?
Well skip this post if you want some useful information. LOL Anyways, I'm not sure how many folks read the forum and I'm not sure how much useful information is actually posted. But I do read it. Occasionally, after getting through the chaff there are some real and useful reports. Lurker, lvb (loverboy) , player, chat-type folks, it's all good. About the only ones I take issue with are the shills. Posting bogus reports that muddy the waters is pretty low, in my opinion, and goes totally against the primary directive of the forum.
What I think I've noticed as a general theme in postings is that by placing lvb's and lurkers in a negative light they (and I include me in that group sometimes) have a tendency to remain in the "lurk-mode" or apologize in their 1st posts that they are loverboys. The term lvb has a negative connotation to begin with, for many, and now I see we're adding Your Master into the mix. WhY? What does that accomplish other than to keep guys from posting."Hello, I'm So&So and I'm a lvb". Hey Mr Fellow LVB it's ok, in fact its a good thing that you are a lvb. This forum is for all, it is not owned by us, but, thank goodness it exists for all of us so lurkers, lvbs, whomever should be welcomed (or not). I for one appreciate lvb's and all that they do to help the KB / VB economy. Lurkers? So what? It's their call not mine. Shills? Sure wish there was a way we could "out-them".
Naming names. Some prefer not to for a myriad of reasons (it may I-D them, they want to "keep" their honey to themselves, they don't want to piss of the KBG, etc). Well then I would suggest not posting at that point."I'm going, you know where bro to see you know who tonight" is pointless other than to get your posting total to increase (and yes I'm on the edge of the pot calling the kettle black with this post) IMHO. She plays, she's a rob, that's all YMMV. She may not play with you, but she may play with me or vice versa. And, just exactly what is play? Some guys think play is holding hands (that's fine, just mention it in your post). Some guys define it as FIV at minimum."She showed me her titties" ok, that's a good beginning, and I'm not saying its using "play" as wrong terminology, but maybe we should consider a scale of play (1=holding hands. 2=she squeezed my knee. 3=she showed me her tits. 4=I held her tits. 5=I sucked her tits. 6=all of the previous and she didn't let go of jr, or some such scale). Just sayin'
There doctor, I feel better now. Back to the cave.
SsThanks SS, I always enjoy your insightful and thoughtful posts. We may differ on our approaches but our objectives are the same. Let me first address state that I strongly believe that what ALL of our posts do not affect the failiure or success of hostess bars one tiny iota. They will fair what they do on thier own regardless of what is written here or have been written in the past. Agree on the forum is for all stuff too. Agree on enjoy the KBs how you want as its your choice as well. I've said it many times before. Disagree on the use of LVB and other terms tho. We of the forum supposed to be brothers and on the same team. The purpose of the forum is the exchange of info in regards to sex with women. If my brother is a drug addict, alcoholic, has a gambling habit etc, I will try to help him. If he is a LVB, I will do the same. Don't ask ask me to lie or keep them in the dark thinking we need to keep LVBs being LVBs to save the bars in business. IMHO, that is a completely false beilief. My friends are my friends and I will treat them as friends. Its easier and more popular to rationalize it and say not my business so you on your own and a big boy. Ok, fine but then is that a friend and brother? Who among us want our brother to be a true LVB? As for scaring away posters I beg to differ too. Its my experience from many pms, real life meetings with these LVBs, and posts by LVBs that the tough love approach inspired them to post. It sounds counterintuitive but calling a LVB just another monger won't encourage them post, never has. Shall we suger coat things and give them another name? Lurkers by definition are NON contributors so its a wash or loss for us as they take but don't give. Got to run for now but as always the above IMHO.
The purpose of the forum is the exchange of info in regards to sex with women. If my brother is a drug addict, alcoholic, has a gambling habit etc, I will try to help him. If he is a LVB, I will do the same. Don't ask ask me to lie or keep them in the dark thinking we need to keep LVBs being LVBs to save the bars in business. IMHO, that is a completely false beilief. My friends are my friends and I will treat them as friends. Its easier and more popular to rationalize it and say not my business so you on your own and a big boy. Ok, fine but then is that a friend and brother? Who among us want our brother to be a true LVB? As for scaring away posters I beg to differ too. Its my experience from many pms, real life meetings with these LVBs, and posts by LVBs that the tough love approach inspired them to post. It sounds counterintuitive but calling a LVB just another monger won't encourage them post, never has. Shall we suger coat things and give them another name? Lurkers by definition are NON contributors so its a wash or loss for us as they take but don't give. Got to run for now but as always the above IMHO.Hmmm ok, I'll say it. SS you're full of shit! LOL Please note, that I said it about myself and no other member was involved LOL. Now that being said, here's my take on things. I suppose I could do the math but I'm thinking 20 guys at the bar drinking 20 beers about every 30 minutes or so does not generate the same revenue as the 20plus booths that, assuming have two KBGs and two guys probably is generating around $150 gross per half hour (someone else can get better numbers I'm sure). Purely as a business, I would think the booths generate more cash (but what the heck do I know). Now, a lot of the guys at the bar are there for the eye candy and so without hotties running around, I would think the bar guys would move on (just a guess). So I'm thinking based upon this rationale that indeed LVBs help, if not "save" the KB business. We don't even need to mention the thousands spent in private rooms. But that's just the economics of it. Now it might be a false belief but IMHO that's the way it is.
I have had friends with drug, gambling, alcohol, KBG habits. For them I do what I can do in my own small way. But when I walk into a KB / VB it's game time. If you are there and doing whatever you want to do, far be it from me to preach the gospel according to SS. (which would be something akin to spend, spend, spend the money) The only time I did something to educate was years ago when I watched this younger kid buying a bunch of drinkees for a stripper. She'd squeeze his knee and out would pop another twenty. After he'd spent a hundred, she had to go dance. I told him "watch this". I went up, put a dollar in my mouth, she used her titties to take it. I went back to the table and said to him "Now do you understand the economics? For 100 dollars you got 5 inner thigh squeezes and for one dollar I got two titties in my face" I think he saw the point, but, if he didn't there ain't much I could do about it.
Surely, there is sugar coating by some, but, when have I EVER not told the story as I see it. More than many times we all repeat the same message. KBs are for fun (whatever your fun may be). KBGs are professional money takers doing their business day after day and as such us guys have no chance at besting them (maybe we can get close, but, the KBGs are the pros). Go in with your eyes wide open. KBGs will say / do whatever it takes to get your money. KBGs do not make good girlfriends. KBGs are only after your money. Over and over again this subject / opinion has been expressed in this thread (which by the way was started by Oldee). Is it sugar coating? Nope. We give straight advice based upon our own stupit experiences. I am the first to admit "been there, done that". I think that consistently reminding guys that its buyer beware is a good thing as newbs join in either via lurking or active participation. Each of us has a level of cash spending that we find acceptable for our purposes. I got to say I'm not here to convert anyone. To suggest that somehow this is doing a disservice to my "brothers", well, yah just got to go back and read my posts I guess. I give information and stupit opinion. I have discussed tactics too include which booth to pick, what clothes to wear, opening lines that have worked for me, etc. I do not think anything has been sugar coated. Based upon a philosophy of being as non-judgemental as possible, I still think the bars need lvbs. I'm not here to convert anyone into my way of thinking. This is merely my best shot at an analysis of the situation. If all we had was a bunch of old futs (and believe me I'm an old fut) sitting in the booth or at the bar looking for food and singing karaoke with no nekos being purchased I would think the KB as we know it would soon be history. I, for one, would not like to see that happen. OK one more time hey all you fellow loverboys. YOU are WASTING your money in the bars. Those KBGs are just after your money. How can you possibly think a 20, 30, 40 year old girl is interested in some old fut like you and me? AND if you did happen to get lucky, how long do you think she'll stay after she has spent all your money? GOT IT? Now here comes the weekend and I'm going to play with your girl and donate as well. Long live the loverboys and KBs.
Good Gawd do I ramble or what!
Ss
Hmmm ok, I'll say it. SS you're full of shit! LOL Please note, that I said it about myself and no other member was involved LOL. Now that being said, here's my take on things. I suppose I could do the math but I'm thinking 20 guys at the bar drinking 20 beers about every 30 minutes or so does not generate the same revenue as the 20plus booths that, assuming have two KBGs and two guys probably is generating around $150 gross per half hour (someone else can get better numbers I'm sure). Purely as a business, I would think the booths generate more cash (but what the heck do I know). Now, a lot of the guys at the bar are there for the eye candy and so without hotties running around, I would think the bar guys would move on (just a guess). So I'm thinking based upon this rationale that indeed LVBs help, if not "save" the KB business. We don't even need to mention the thousands spent in private rooms. But that's just the economics of it. Now it might be a false belief but IMHO that's the way it is.
I have had friends with drug, gambling, alcohol, KBG habits. For them I do what I can do in my own small way. But when I walk into a KB / VB it's game time. If you are there and doing whatever you want to do, far be it from me to preach the gospel according to SS. (which would be something akin to spend, spend, spend the money) The only time I did something to educate was years ago when I watched this younger kid buying a bunch of drinkees for a stripper. She'd squeeze his knee and out would pop another twenty. After he'd spent a hundred, she had to go dance. I told him "watch this". I went up, put a dollar in my mouth, she used her titties to take it. I went back to the table and said to him "Now do you understand the economics? For 100 dollars you got 5 inner thigh squeezes and for one dollar I got two titties in my face" I think he saw the point, but, if he didn't there ain't much I could do about it.
Surely, there is sugar coating by some, but, when have I EVER not told the story as I see it. More than many times we all repeat the same message. KBs are for fun (whatever your fun may be). KBGs are professional money takers doing their business day after day and as such us guys have no chance at besting them (maybe we can get close, but, the KBGs are the pros). Go in with your eyes wide open. KBGs will say / do whatever it takes to get your money. KBGs do not make good girlfriends. KBGs are only after your money. Over and over again this subject / opinion has been expressed in this thread (which by the way was started by Oldee). Is it sugar coating? Nope. We give straight advice based upon our own stupit experiences. I am the first to admit "been there, done that". I think that consistently reminding guys that its buyer beware is a good thing as newbs join in either via lurking or active participation. Each of us has a level of cash spending that we find acceptable for our purposes. I got to say I'm not here to convert anyone. To suggest that somehow this is doing a disservice to my "brothers", well, yah just got to go back and read my posts I guess. I give information and stupit opinion. I have discussed tactics too include which booth to pick, what clothes to wear, opening lines that have worked for me, etc. I do not think anything has been sugar coated. Based upon a philosophy of being as non-judgemental as possible, I still think the bars need lvbs. I'm not here to convert anyone into my way of thinking. This is merely my best shot at an analysis of the situation. If all we had was a bunch of old futs (and believe me I'm an old fut) sitting in the booth or at the bar looking for food and singing karaoke with no nekos being purchased I would think the KB as we know it would soon be history. I, for one, would not like to see that happen. OK one more time hey all you fellow loverboys. YOU are WASTING your money in the bars. Those KBGs are just after your money. How can you possibly think a 20, 30, 40 year old girl is interested in some old fut like you and me? AND if you did happen to get lucky, how long do you think she'll stay after she has spent all your money? GOT IT? Now here comes the weekend and I'm going to play with your girl and donate as well. Long live the loverboys and KBs.
Good Gawd do I ramble or what!
SsThsts you and me SS bro. Ypu and me sharing brewskis loooong overdue bro. We NEED LVBs yes but no need need keep them in the dark on the forum. At bars, well THATS different story. Spemd spend spend advice thete no problem. I drunk now so will continue later. Eh you younguns, us old futs know how to DISCUSS and not get bent out of shape, LOL.
TrueTemper
09-12-13, 16:04
Hmmm ok, I'll say it. SS you're full of shit! LOL Please note, that I said it about myself and no other member was involved LOL. Now that being said, here's my take on things. I suppose I could do the math but I'm thinking 20 guys at the bar drinking 20 beers about every 30 minutes or so does not generate the same revenue as the 20plus booths that, assuming have two KBGs and two guys probably is generating around $150 gross per half hour (someone else can get better numbers I'm sure). Purely as a business, I would think the booths generate more cash (but what the heck do I know). Now, a lot of the guys at the bar are there for the eye candy and so without hotties running around, I would think the bar guys would move on (just a guess). So I'm thinking based upon this rationale that indeed LVBs help, if not "save" the KB business. We don't even need to mention the thousands spent in private rooms. But that's just the economics of it. Now it might be a false belief but IMHO that's the way it is.
I have had friends with drug, gambling, alcohol, KBG habits. For them I do what I can do in my own small way. But when I walk into a KB / VB it's game time. If you are there and doing whatever you want to do, far be it from me to preach the gospel according to SS. (which would be something akin to spend, spend, spend the money) The only time I did something to educate was years ago when I watched this younger kid buying a bunch of drinkees for a stripper. She'd squeeze his knee and out would pop another twenty. After he'd spent a hundred, she had to go dance. I told him "watch this". I went up, put a dollar in my mouth, she used her titties to take it. I went back to the table and said to him "Now do you understand the economics? For 100 dollars you got 5 inner thigh squeezes and for one dollar I got two titties in my face" I think he saw the point, but, if he didn't there ain't much I could do about it.
Surely, there is sugar coating by some, but, when have I EVER not told the story as I see it. More than many times we all repeat the same message. KBs are for fun (whatever your fun may be). KBGs are professional money takers doing their business day after day and as such us guys have no chance at besting them (maybe we can get close, but, the KBGs are the pros). Go in with your eyes wide open. KBGs will say / do whatever it takes to get your money. KBGs do not make good girlfriends. KBGs are only after your money. Over and over again this subject / opinion has been expressed in this thread (which by the way was started by Oldee). Is it sugar coating? Nope. We give straight advice based upon our own stupit experiences. I am the first to admit "been there, done that". I think that consistently reminding guys that its buyer beware is a good thing as newbs join in either via lurking or active participation. Each of us has a level of cash spending that we find acceptable for our purposes. I got to say I'm not here to convert anyone. To suggest that somehow this is doing a disservice to my "brothers", well, yah just got to go back and read my posts I guess. I give information and stupit opinion. I have discussed tactics too include which booth to pick, what clothes to wear, opening lines that have worked for me, etc. I do not think anything has been sugar coated. Based upon a philosophy of being as non-judgemental as possible, I still think the bars need lvbs. I'm not here to convert anyone into my way of thinking. This is merely my best shot at an analysis of the situation. If all we had was a bunch of old futs (and believe me I'm an old fut) sitting in the booth or at the bar looking for food and singing karaoke with no nekos being purchased I would think the KB as we know it would soon be history. I, for one, would not like to see that happen. OK one more time hey all you fellow loverboys. YOU are WASTING your money in the bars. Those KBGs are just after your money. How can you possibly think a 20, 30, 40 year old girl is interested in some old fut like you and me? AND if you did happen to get lucky, how long do you think she'll stay after she has spent all your money? GOT IT? Now here comes the weekend and I'm going to play with your girl and donate as well. Long live the loverboys and KBs.
Good Gawd do I ramble or what!
SsYour Welcome
So I'm seeing more and more of this. You are hanging with some KBG and kind of testing the waters when a handful of Korean guys come in and "bam" the girl literally jumps away from you (me) to go sit with the Korean dude. At first I was thinking its cause the KBG is more comfortable speaking the Mother Tongue with customers. And, I was thinking it might be a nationality thing. But, now I'm thinking its more a matter of economics. Those Korean guys will spend, spend, spend the money. Drinks for the girl, drinks for the bartender, drinks for the mama. Now, I'm not sure the guys really can afford it (of course some are well-to-do, but not all). I'm thinking its a cultural thing. The Korean guys can't say "no" as it would be a cultural embarrassment. Am I thinking wrong?
Ss
So I'm seeing more and more of this. You are hanging with some KBG and kind of testing the waters when a handful of Korean guys come in and "bam" the girl literally jumps away from you (me) to go sit with the Korean dude. At first I was thinking its cause the KBG is more comfortable speaking the Mother Tongue with customers. And, I was thinking it might be a nationality thing. But, now I'm thinking its more a matter of economics. Those Korean guys will spend, spend, spend the money. Drinks for the girl, drinks for the bartender, drinks for the mama. Now, I'm not sure the guys really can afford it (of course some are well-to-do, but not all). I'm thinking its a cultural thing. The Korean guys can't say "no" as it would be a cultural embarrassment. Am I thinking wrong?
SsI been seeing this too. In fact the guy me and Slamma bro saw get robbed at EG I later saw at Casino getting robbed there recently. He told me he new to KBs but ALWAYS spend a lot, LOL. When greeted me smiling. 3 girls he was sitting with imediately frowned and did thier best to impede his convo with me, LOL. There does seem to be more korean nationals at KBs now but for the most part, mostly in town KBs. They usually drink with friends and even if they go solo, meet other K guys OR are full on LVB like that one at Butts. The korean guys who are vets certainly can say no and are the usual pain in the ass guys we know and love but there seems to be an emerging NEW crop of Korean KB goers.
TrueTemper
09-16-13, 15:24
Hello all the Mama's out there, I'll let the readers know why the girls Rob. The girls need to "Get all the money, all the time" because if they leave money on the table.
The next girl is going to take all the money.
TrueTemper
09-16-13, 15:35
Hello all the Mama's out there, I'll let the readers know why the girls Rob. The girls need to "Get all the money, all the time" because if they leave money on the table.
The next girl is going to take all the money.What about repeat Customer? Yes having a good repeat clientele is thinking long term and good for business. But there always will be new incoming Babo's, like myself.
That the girls can keep on robbing.
When seeing the 90 days girls make good money it is hard for the longer term girls to not see the fast money and become robs themselves.
What about repeat Customer? Yes having a good repeat clientele is thinking long term and good for business. But there always will be new incoming Babo's, like myself.
That the girls can keep on robbing.
When seeing the 90 days girls make good money it is hard for the longer term girls to not see the fast money and become robs themselves.LOL, you crack me up TT bro. That's actually true. The mamas don't let the girls rob, they want them to as ots more money for the bar too. I still waiting to introduce you to new masters.
I been seeing this too. In fact the guy me and Slamma bro saw get robbed at EG I later saw at Casino getting robbed there recently. He told me he new to KBs but ALWAYS spend a lot, LOL. When greeted me smiling. 3 girls he was sitting with imediately frowned and did thier best to impede his convo with me, LOL. There does seem to be more korean nationals at KBs now but for the most part, mostly in town KBs. They usually drink with friends and even if they go solo, meet other K guys OR are full on LVB like that one at Butts. The korean guys who are vets certainly can say no and are the usual pain in the ass guys we know and love but there seems to be an emerging NEW crop of Korean KB goers.So I guess these new Korean guys are different from the old ones who always ask mama for discounts and who don't pay their tabs. LOL!
What I think I've noticed as a general theme in postings is that by placing lvb's and lurkers in a negative light they (and I include me in that group sometimes) have a tendency to remain in the "lurk-mode" or apologize in their 1st posts that they are loverboys. The term lvb has a negative connotation to begin with, for many, and now I see we're adding Your Master into the mix. WhY? What does that accomplish other than to keep guys from posting."Hello, I'm So&So and I'm a lvb". Hey Mr Fellow LVB it's ok, in fact its a good thing that you are a lvb. This forum is for all, it is not owned by us, but, thank goodness it exists for all of us so lurkers, lvbs, whomever should be welcomed (or not). I for one appreciate lvb's and all that they do to help the KB / VB economy.I know what you mean in regards to the LVB term. A person (lurker / reader) may feel uncomfortable sitting with a BG because of how the LVB term is used so many times on this forum. Some people may think there's something wrong with being a LVB in the bar and they're being picked on and put down. However, all this talk about LVBs on this forum is to help prevent the first time bargoers from becoming the hardcore LVBs. Also, it can help wakeup and hopefully knock some sense into the current LVBs (readers / lurkers) who are already deeply in their KBG.
Most people that go to a KB won't be concerned about what every bargoer is doing and who they are seeing in the KB. If you happen to see some customer sitting with a ROB BG, you're not going to walk up to him and warn him that the BG he's sitting with is a ROB.
"Eh dude, you know that BG you sitting with, she's a ROB, don't sit with her. She get one BF to"
You can't be focused on things like this because you're trying to focus on having your own fun. But, I can see Oldees point when it comes to this forum and how it can be effective. If a new guy is curious about the KBs, you wouldn't want to introduce him to the KB scene without also warning him of the dangers. You don't want him to get all deeply fixated on the first BG he sits with and he becomes mentally / emotionally obsessed with her, blows all his money or does something stupid. What if he's your coworker / friend? You're going to wish that you hadn't introduced him to the KB scene in the first place.
The LVB term and other terms used may sound belittling but, the true message behind it can help keep everyone in check. Too much of a LVB is not a good thing because it's like drinking alcohol, too much alcohol can affect you in a negative way. It's one thing to have fun but, it's also good to know that everyone enjoys themselves in a manner where nothing bad happens to anyone.
I know what you mean in regards to the LVB term. A person (lurker / reader) may feel uncomfortable sitting with a BG because of how the LVB term is used so many times on this forum. Some people may think there's something wrong with being a LVB in the bar and they're being picked on and put down. However, all this talk about LVBs on this forum is to help prevent the first time bargoers from becoming the hardcore LVBs. Also, it can help wakeup and hopefully knock some sense into the current LVBs (readers / lurkers) who are already deeply in their KBG.
Most people that go to a KB won't be concerned about what every bargoer is doing and who they are seeing in the KB. If you happen to see some customer sitting with a ROB BG, you're not going to walk up to him and warn him that the BG he's sitting with is a ROB.
"Eh dude, you know that BG you sitting with, she's a ROB, don't sit with her. She get one BF to"
You can't be focused on things like this because you're trying to focus on having your own fun. But, I can see Oldees point when it comes to this forum and how it can be effective. If a new guy is curious about the KBs, you wouldn't want to introduce him to the KB scene without also warning him of the dangers. You don't want him to get all deeply fixated on the first BG he sits with and he becomes mentally / emotionally obsessed with her, blows all his money or does something stupid. What if he's your coworker / friend? You're going to wish that you hadn't introduced him to the KB scene in the first place.
The LVB term and other terms used may sound belittling but, the true message behind it can help keep everyone in check. Too much of a LVB is not a good thing because it's like drinking alcohol, too much alcohol can affect you in a negative way. It's one thing to have fun but, it's also good to know that everyone enjoys themselves in a manner where nothing bad happens to anyone.As I've said before, SS and I are pretty much on the same page in our asessments about the KB scene. About the only thing we may differ on is whether the use of LVB may keep "possible posters" to remain in lurker mode. Quite frankly, I think we both don't know. My "opinion" is we both right. I base this on guys who have told me they came out and posted because of our straight shooting posts motivating them to satisfy thier intense curiosity and I am sure others firmly remain silent because of it in SS's own example when he goes LVB mode. LOL. I have read ALL the KB threads and posts even from the early 2000s archives and I just don't recall many if any "I met this KBG and want to pursue a romantic type relationship with her" type posts before we used LVB terms. That is the basis for my opinion in regards to that and also LVBs by definition are guys that probably would not post anyway, LVB term or not. Again, just guessing. I also REALLY don't think of and hold LVBs in a negative light. After all, they keep the KBs in business and I want the KBs to stay in business. I also think I need to remind readers that those of us that are active posters are a distinct MINORITY if the readership mirrors the KB customer base which I think it does. My guess is posters are less than 10% of the readership. I have met well over 2 dozen forum bros of which some have told me WE have helped them get pointed in the direction of the purpose of this forum. I have seen over a dozen examples in real life. The advice of past and present members such as Kapa, ILTW, Uki, JR, Mobi, and others continue to inform and help "forum" brothers. At the KB tho is class over and every man for himself. As always, above IMHO from outspoken forum member Oldee, LOL.
BTW, I have strong opinions on KB economics which I will post later, hehe. Some of you know I crazy and even go as far as count customers, lol. Yeah, I do stupid stuff at bars to amuse myself, lol.
So I guess these new Korean guys are different from the old ones who always ask mama for discounts and who don't pay their tabs. LOL!I haven't knowingly seen these "new" ones either. The ones I've seen take-over the best girls and if they do buy a hostess drink, it lasts forever.
The general story, as I understand it, is that per Mama's orders the girls are required to take care of Korean men irregardless of what they are doing or if they already have a paying customer. Locals take a back seat WAY in the back.
Also, that they do not dare ROB or otherwise disrespect a customer from Korea. They also must take whatever demeaning or abusive treatment that gets dished-out, and can't leave the table like they would with anyone else.
Girls have told me they hate it for those reasons, and that they really don't make money for all that time spent.
But again, just stories. From what I've seen over the years though, a lot of it rings true.
The general story, as I understand it, is that per Mama's orders the girls are required to take care of Korean men irregardless of what they are doing or if they already have a paying customer. Locals take a back seat WAY in the back.
Also, that they do not dare ROB or otherwise disrespect a customer from Korea. They also must take whatever demeaning or abusive treatment that gets dished-out, and can't leave the table like they would with anyone else.
Girls have told me they hate it for those reasons, and that they really don't make money for all that time spent.
But again, just stories. From what I've seen over the years though, a lot of it rings true.I seen this happen with me and with my friend when we were sitting with a BG. The waiter or MS comes by talks to the BG I'm sitting with in Korean and she then gets up. When I look to see where she went, I see her sitting down with a middle aged Korean guy. When I'm sitting at a booth and see a group of Korean guys sitting with several BGs nearby, I heard one of the Korean guys get mad at one of the BGs and he told her off. I think she might have asked him for a drink and it bothered him.
I seen this happen with me and with my friend when we were sitting with a BG. The waiter or MS comes by talks to the BG I'm sitting with in Korean and she then gets up. When I look to see where she went, I see her sitting down with a middle aged Korean guy. When I'm sitting at a booth and see a group of Korean guys sitting with several BGs nearby, I heard one of the Korean guys get mad at one of the BGs and he told her off. I think she might have asked him for a drink and it bothered him.This just happened to a friend of mine. Was cruising at Casino on Saturday night and my friend came in. Told me that he was just next door and he was sitting with someone and the waiter (the one no one likes) came and took his girl away after buying a drink, poured his beer on the seat and floor and left.
I haven't knowingly seen these "new" ones either. The ones I've seen take-over the best girls and if they do buy a hostess drink, it lasts forever.
The general story, as I understand it, is that per Mama's orders the girls are required to take care of Korean men irregardless of what they are doing or if they already have a paying customer. Locals take a back seat WAY in the back.
Also, that they do not dare ROB or otherwise disrespect a customer from Korea. They also must take whatever demeaning or abusive treatment that gets dished-out, and can't leave the table like they would with anyone else.
Girls have told me they hate it for those reasons, and that they really don't make money for all that time spent.
But again, just stories. From what I've seen over the years though, a lot of it rings true.The usual korean abusive jerk customers are still there and in fact are more common than the new korean customers. For us, we won't notice any difference as both the old and new K customers will hog all the girls being that they are korean. The difference I have seen tho is that the KBGs are now robbing these new to KBs guys with no holds bar efficientcy. I have never seen korean customers get robbed (and they no complain) until recently.
This just happened to a friend of mine. Was cruising at Casino on Saturday night and my friend came in. Told me that he was just next door and he was sitting with someone and the waiter (the one no one likes) came and took his girl away after buying a drink, poured his beer on the seat and floor and left.Yes it is maddening, isn't it?
Some girls will at least take a minute to apprise me of the situation that has arisen, apologize, then ask me what I want to do or ask me to please wait a certain amount of time (which turns out to be qute accurate). In these rare cases, it isn't so bad.
Almost always though, the waiter, another BG or some old lady (such as the old Viet lady at EG) tells or nonverbally signals the girl to leave. The girl abruptly bolts without so much as a 'thanks' or a 'sorry'.
That waiter at Butterfly who is always hollering needs to slow down; he is an accident waiting to happen and eventually will bang-into the wrong guy.
I realize everyone needs a job, but personally I wish they'd get rid of old ladies and waiters who, because of their apparent lack of customer service ability, manners or upbringing, are really nothing more than leeches.
As it repeatedly happens, it becomes less tolerable and I don't blame Vapor's friend for venting.
Hopefully they straighten themselves out before they make the wrong guy vent.
Yes it is maddening, isn't it?
Some girls will at least take a minute to apprise me of the situation that has arisen, apologize, then ask me what I want to do or ask me to please wait a certain amount of time (which turns out to be qute accurate). In these rare cases, it isn't so bad.
Almost always though, the waiter, another BG or some old lady (such as the old Viet lady at EG) tells or nonverbally signals the girl to leave. The girl abruptly bolts without so much as a 'thanks' or a 'sorry'.
That waiter at Butterfly who is always hollering needs to slow down; he is an accident waiting to happen and eventually will bang-into the wrong guy.
I realize everyone needs a job, but personally I wish they'd get rid of old ladies and waiters who, because of their apparent lack of customer service ability, manners or upbringing, are really nothing more than leeches.
As it repeatedly happens, it becomes less tolerable and I don't blame Vapor's friend for venting.
Hopefully they straighten themselves out before they make the wrong guy vent.Best part is my buddy has been know to spend some $$$ in the bars. I told him screw that place get plenty others, so I think he is going to boycott that place for a while. I wish I had his bank roll, I would be a demanding bastard!
Best part is my buddy has been know to spend some $$$ in the bars. I told him screw that place get plenty others, so I think he is going to boycott that place for a while. I wish I had his bank roll, I would be a demanding bastard!Well, I guess I'm not the only one who has had this experience. It blends the reason to a more generic cause / effect as opposed to a specific. To me, this is the definition of a ROB. My attitude about drinkees is that it is a time buy. I do not care what the KBG is drinking. I purchase time at $20 units. They deliver the time. When I purchase a $20 unit and they do not give me any time then they go into the category of ROB. Depending upon my mood I will spill the drink, pour it on the bar, deliver to the girl wherever she is now sitting, simply walk away, or tell the mama that this act of disrespect has cost them a customer. On rare occasions the KBG has seen me leaving and come out to apologize, but that is very rare. What is funny is that the mama or KBG can make it right by simply giving me back the $20 and that would be that, but, they have NEVER done that. The concept of being fair is beyond them. Once the money is in their grasp then it is gone. It does not matter that you have been a relatively polite customer for sometimes years. They are just money grubbing, low-class, KBGs after all, should we expect any other behavior? Now, I'm am not saying they are all that way, the smart ones (and its very rare) do indeed offer at least some markers or give a time-line before they come back, they MAY retain a customer if handled properly. I just have a very low tolerance for the ones that bolt the moment the drink is delivered and they got your twenty.
Not sure there is an appropriate tactic to handle this type of situation. I do enjoy the KBG coming up to me the next time and me acting all polite with a "oh its ok, no problem, nice to see you again" then she asks for a drink and I tell her "Girl you are on my no drinkee list so move on ". It will generate a bit of discussion, but, I really don't much care what bs she comes up with "Mama made me do it" blah, blah, blah.
I'd be interested in advice on the best tactic in these cases. Spilling the drink, banning the KBG, banning the KB, in our collective there must be some creative message we could send. Not holding my breath but somebody out there may have a really fun, safe, legal retribution.
Ss
Captin Crunch
09-18-13, 16:01
Well, I guess I'm not the only one who has had this experience. It blends the reason to a more generic cause / effect as opposed to a specific. To me, this is the definition of a ROB. My attitude about drinkees is that it is a time buy. I do not care what the KBG is drinking. I purchase time at $20 units. They deliver the time. When I purchase a $20 unit and they do not give me any time then they go into the category of ROB. Depending upon my mood I will spill the drink, pour it on the bar, deliver to the girl wherever she is now sitting, simply walk away, or tell the mama that this act of disrespect has cost them a customer. On rare occasions the KBG has seen me leaving and come out to apologize, but that is very rare. What is funny is that the mama or KBG can make it right by simply giving me back the $20 and that would be that, but, they have NEVER done that. The concept of being fair is beyond them. Once the money is in their grasp then it is gone. It does not matter that you have been a relatively polite customer for sometimes years. They are just money grubbing, low-class, KBGs after all, should we expect any other behavior? Now, I'm am not saying they are all that way, the smart ones (and its very rare) do indeed offer at least some markers or give a time-line before they come back, they MAY retain a customer if handled properly. I just have a very low tolerance for the ones that bolt the moment the drink is delivered and they got your twenty.
Not sure there is an appropriate tactic to handle this type of situation. I do enjoy the KBG coming up to me the next time and me acting all polite with a "oh its ok, no problem, nice to see you again" then she asks for a drink and I tell her "Girl you are on my no drinkee list so move on ". It will generate a bit of discussion, but, I really don't much care what bs she comes up with "Mama made me do it" blah, blah, blah.
I'd be interested in advice on the best tactic in these cases. Spilling the drink, banning the KBG, banning the KB, in our collective there must be some creative message we could send. Not holding my breath but somebody out there may have a really fun, safe, legal retribution.
SsNeed to hangout with guys like you. Can't always be a nice guy.
Well, I guess I'm not the only one who has had this experience. It blends the reason to a more generic cause / effect as opposed to a specific. To me, this is the definition of a ROB. My attitude about drinkees is that it is a time buy. I do not care what the KBG is drinking. I purchase time at $20 units. They deliver the time. When I purchase a $20 unit and they do not give me any time then they go into the category of ROB. Depending upon my mood I will spill the drink, pour it on the bar, deliver to the girl wherever she is now sitting, simply walk away, or tell the mama that this act of disrespect has cost them a customer. On rare occasions the KBG has seen me leaving and come out to apologize, but that is very rare. What is funny is that the mama or KBG can make it right by simply giving me back the $20 and that would be that, but, they have NEVER done that. The concept of being fair is beyond them. Once the money is in their grasp then it is gone. It does not matter that you have been a relatively polite customer for sometimes years. They are just money grubbing, low-class, KBGs after all, should we expect any other behavior? Now, I'm am not saying they are all that way, the smart ones (and its very rare) do indeed offer at least some markers or give a time-line before they come back, they MAY retain a customer if handled properly. I just have a very low tolerance for the ones that bolt the moment the drink is delivered and they got your twenty.
Not sure there is an appropriate tactic to handle this type of situation. I do enjoy the KBG coming up to me the next time and me acting all polite with a "oh its ok, no problem, nice to see you again" then she asks for a drink and I tell her "Girl you are on my no drinkee list so move on ". It will generate a bit of discussion, but, I really don't much care what bs she comes up with "Mama made me do it" blah, blah, blah.
I'd be interested in advice on the best tactic in these cases. Spilling the drink, banning the KBG, banning the KB, in our collective there must be some creative message we could send. Not holding my breath but somebody out there may have a really fun, safe, legal retribution.
SsDo what I do and just go NEON. I've never had a BG dig out the second she gets the drink, but got fed up with the table hoppers. A KBG once asked me why don't I buy nekos. I said waste money. She said you smaht. I think many KBGs have a disdain toward and certainly no respect for free spending customers. Be smaht, no waste money, and avoid the aggravation and drama: GO NEON!
I'd be interested in advice on the best tactic in these cases. Spilling the drink, banning the KBG, banning the KB, in our collective there must be some creative message we could send. Not holding my breath but somebody out there may have a really fun, safe, legal retribution.
SsI have been lucky I guess as I can't remember when the last time that has happenned to me although it happens all the time with friends I know. I don't neccesarily put all the blame the bar itself as the girl CAN stand up to mama's orders if they want, at least to apologize if they just got a drink. They are independent contractors after all. Unlike most guys, I love when KBGs come try hussle me. Good fun and its FREE! Many of them are table hoppers and robs but unfortunately not many bodda me these days. I probably have a cheapcharley rep or they know is a long time KB vet. Not talking about you CC bro LOL. Anyway, imo, telling your friends and posting thier names HERE is table hopper's greatest fear. KBGs don't care much about what's written on the forum but mention of thier name in a negative light is something they really fear. Informing fellow bros of such behavoir is a win win. If enough guys did this, it might even change the KBG's behavoir. Secondly, choosing wisely is one of my main rules. You know the saying, an ounce of prevention is worth bla bla. My 2cents anyway.
This just happened to a friend of mine. Was cruising at Casino on Saturday night and my friend came in. Told me that he was just next door and he was sitting with someone and the waiter (the one no one likes) came and took his girl away after buying a drink, poured his beer on the seat and floor and left.If you mean that tall waiter at Butts I know what you mean. The guy is a real butthole. Tells the girls that they should go to him for service instead of doing it themselves. I told a girl I was sitting with that I wouldn't buy her a drink unless she went to get it herself, butthole waiter started yelling at her so I told her find another customer. Earlier this year he got into an argument with the former bartender Jerry (taller guy, golfs). Butthole took a bottle and acted like he was going to hit Jerry, even holding the bottle by the neck and breaking the bottom against the counter. Jerry told him to give it his best shot because it will be his last. I don't know why TC keeps him around, there are better waiters around. I kind of wish that he gave me attitude because I feel like smashing his face in every time I see him.
Do what I do and just go NEON. I've never had a BG dig out the second she gets the drink, but got fed up with the table hoppers. A KBG once asked me why don't I buy nekos. I said waste money. She said you smaht. I think many KBGs have a disdain toward and certainly no respect for free spending customers. Be smaht, no waste money, and avoid the aggravation and drama: GO NEON!You are correct about KBGs and free spending customers, but in a different way. If one of you wants to get with a girl, you think you should try to impress her by buying lots of drinks. You do that and they'll look at you as an ATM. The girls like these guys to make money off, but if you are interested in her and want more, like a relationship (I wouldn't suggest that) , you need to cut back on the spending. It seems like it is the opposite of what you should be doing, but it is true. If you spend freely on this girl, she thinks you do that at all the bars. You can tell her you don't do that, but she won't believe you as she thinks you are chasing KBGs all over the place. Believe me, I've been through this with my gf as she talks about customers and how they can be stupid. The stupid guys, they'll take advantage of. Smart guys make things a little harder, but they can still get money out of them.
Unlike most guys, I love when KBGs come try hussle me. Good fun and its FREE!I like it to when BGs do approach, that's why they are there and it makes it more fun to see what they'll say and do to make me want to get them a drink. Most guys wouldn't want this especially when they are not in that mode to buy LD or a BG they not interested in approaches them.
The guys who get irked / bothered have a hard time getting rid of the BG. So, they need to display that sign of: "I'm not interested in you. Can't you tell by the tone of my voice? Scram b*tch!" LOL. That or give the cold shoulder ignore the girl so she gets the hint and eventually leaves. So rude! LOL.
You are correct about KBGs and free spending customers, but in a different way. If one of you wants to get with a girl, you think you should try to impress her by buying lots of drinks. You do that and they'll look at you as an ATM. The girls like these guys to make money off, but if you are interested in her and want more, like a relationship (I wouldn't suggest that) , you need to cut back on the spending. It seems like it is the opposite of what you should be doing, but it is true. If you spend freely on this girl, she thinks you do that at all the bars. You can tell her you don't do that, but she won't believe you as she thinks you are chasing KBGs all over the place. Believe me, I've been through this with my gf as she talks about customers and how they can be stupid. The stupid guys, they'll take advantage of. Smart guys make things a little harder, but they can still get money out of them.The art of chasing without chasing, hehehe.
Well, I guess I'm not the only one who has had this experience. It blends the reason to a more generic cause / effect as opposed to a specific. To me, this is the definition of a ROB. My attitude about drinkees is that it is a time buy. I do not care what the KBG is drinking. I purchase time at $20 units. They deliver the time. When I purchase a $20 unit and they do not give me any time then they go into the category of ROB. Depending upon my mood I will spill the drink, pour it on the bar, deliver to the girl wherever she is now sitting, simply walk away, or tell the mama that this act of disrespect has cost them a customer. On rare occasions the KBG has seen me leaving and come out to apologize, but that is very rare. What is funny is that the mama or KBG can make it right by simply giving me back the $20 and that would be that, but, they have NEVER done that. The concept of being fair is beyond them. Once the money is in their grasp then it is gone. It does not matter that you have been a relatively polite customer for sometimes years. They are just money grubbing, low-class, KBGs after all, should we expect any other behavior? Now, I'm am not saying they are all that way, the smart ones (and its very rare) do indeed offer at least some markers or give a time-line before they come back, they MAY retain a customer if handled properly. I just have a very low tolerance for the ones that bolt the moment the drink is delivered and they got your twenty.
Not sure there is an appropriate tactic to handle this type of situation. I do enjoy the KBG coming up to me the next time and me acting all polite with a "oh its ok, no problem, nice to see you again" then she asks for a drink and I tell her "Girl you are on my no drinkee list so move on ". It will generate a bit of discussion, but, I really don't much care what bs she comes up with "Mama made me do it" blah, blah, blah.
I'd be interested in advice on the best tactic in these cases. Spilling the drink, banning the KBG, banning the KB, in our collective there must be some creative message we could send. Not holding my breath but somebody out there may have a really fun, safe, legal retribution.
SsI agree with you about buying time units. I would prefer getting good mileage on a glass of water than a shot of tequila that lasts 5 seconds (one of the top ROB drinks, by the way).
You are right about the money being gone once they get it. I once saw a young guy approach the bar demanding his $20 back because he bought the girl a drink but she went and sat elsewhere, something that is far too widespread these days. The bar interrupted him mid-sentence, exclaiming they didn't know 'what was going' on or 'what the hell' he was talking about. When you owe them, they know exactly how much; in fact they may inflate the figure. When they owe you, they are deaf and blind.
Your list of countermeasures happens all the time and different customers will react according to their nature. This is why I remark about angering "the wrong guy", because as we remember the mama at Ellie's got beaten badly. I posted that roughnecks come in and around the bars looking for trouble, so another violent incident may be on the horizon.
The people who run these businesses are just too hard-headed to get the message, or they would have listened to Oldee's advice a long time ago. Even when their bar goes out of business, they blame the economy never stopping to think about how customers are not ATMs to be taken for granted. Even KBGs think it's the economy, but their eyes open wide when they find out how busy another bar is (hence the musical chairs we see) or how much money some AMP girls make in a night.
IMHO, even in a bad economy, here on Oahu we have enough men willing to spend so that it is possible to keep these businesses humming, but we will not just throw cash in their lap; they need to make the effort to attract and keep customers as any business would.
I suppose it is in their nature to refuse to take ownership and blame others.
I am like Uki, and miss the days of forward girls. I am not impressed with the AMP-like system that has been going on for too long now, where the girl will not get off her rump until mama yanks her to a customer.
Jerry is one of my favorite bartenders. I'd hate to see him get into trouble. IMHO regarding M69's story they should have fired that waiter on the spot; better yet had him arrested for terroristic threatening and endangering others.
I am like Uki, and miss the days of forward girls. I am not impressed with the AMP-like system that has been going on for too long now, where the girl will not get off her rump until mama yanks her to a customer.Boring that the BGs don't approach like before. IMO, I think they don't approach because.
1. They don't approach customers whom they think are the type that won't spend. So, they don't bother.
2. They feel shame to approach because they think the customers will automatically say no and the girls feel this sense of rejection.
3. They're reluctant to approach customers because they feel the customer will get annoyed, bothered, rude or all perv on them.
4. They're intimidated / reluctant to approach and part of it might be due to this forum. They may approach a forum member who's not the typical easy sucker to get a drink.
"No! Don't approach that guy. He's one of them from the intanet!"
So, the BGs rather sit at the booth and just look at customers coming in until called upon to sit with a customer. However, even if the waiter or MS tells the BG to sit with a group of guys sitting at the booth, the BG may not want to sit with them when she sees the guys.
"Aww shit, I don't want to sit with these guys. *sigh*"
TrueTemper
09-20-13, 20:24
Boring that the BGs don't approach like before. IMO, I think they don't approach because.
1. They don't approach customers whom they think are the type that won't spend. So, they don't bother.
2. They feel shame to approach because they think the customers will automatically say no and the girls feel this sense of rejection.
3. They're reluctant to approach customers because they feel the customer will get annoyed, bothered, rude or all perv on them.
4. They're intimidated / reluctant to approach and part of it might be due to this forum. They may approach a forum member who's not the typical easy sucker to get a drink.
"No! Don't approach that guy. He's one of them from the intanet!"
So, the BGs rather sit at the booth and just look at customers coming in until called upon to sit with a customer. However, even if the waiter or MS tells the BG to sit with a group of guys sitting at the booth, the BG may not want to sit with them when she sees the guys.
"Aww shit, I don't want to sit with these guys. *sigh*"I pick number 2. The constant rejections will stop them from trying and their self-confidence and worth will also drop even if it's not because of them.
Boring that the BGs don't approach like before. IMO, I think they don't approach because.
1. They don't approach customers whom they think are the type that won't spend. So, they don't bother.
2. They feel shame to approach because they think the customers will automatically say no and the girls feel this sense of rejection.
3. They're reluctant to approach customers because they feel the customer will get annoyed, bothered, rude or all perv on them.
4. They're intimidated / reluctant to approach and part of it might be due to this forum. They may approach a forum member who's not the typical easy sucker to get a drink.
"No! Don't approach that guy. He's one of them from the intanet!"
So, the BGs rather sit at the booth and just look at customers coming in until called upon to sit with a customer. However, even if the waiter or MS tells the BG to sit with a group of guys sitting at the booth, the BG may not want to sit with them when she sees the guys.
"Aww shit, I don't want to sit with these guys. *sigh*"LOL, I can imagine all the Kalihi guys going Ha? No mo waiters and old lady waitreses there and older KBGs no shame bodda you, LOL. Good list for town tho Uki bro. Nowdays the spoiled princesses only like garans neko buying customers and even REJECT guys that want to buy them drink.
Boring that the BGs don't approach like before. IMO, I think they don't approach because.
1. They don't approach customers whom they think are the type that won't spend. So, they don't bother.
2. They feel shame to approach because they think the customers will automatically say no and the girls feel this sense of rejection.
3. They're reluctant to approach customers because they feel the customer will get annoyed, bothered, rude or all perv on them.
4. They're intimidated / reluctant to approach and part of it might be due to this forum. They may approach a forum member who's not the typical easy sucker to get a drink.
"No! Don't approach that guy. He's one of them from the intanet!"
So, the BGs rather sit at the booth and just look at customers coming in until called upon to sit with a customer. However, even if the waiter or MS tells the BG to sit with a group of guys sitting at the booth, the BG may not want to sit with them when she sees the guys.
"Aww shit, I don't want to sit with these guys. *sigh*"Those are exactly the reasons why, and a number of younger girls over the years have expressed reasons 1 through 3.
In my opinion though, it is not our job to train them; it is their job to overcome hurdles inherent in any new job or decide for themselves if they want to stay or quit. MS should be teaching them how to take care of men so that they become repeat customers, which is what businesses need.
At this point, I no longer concern myself with their reasons or excuses, and instead spend money on women who actually want to do their job. As I once saw a manager scold an employee, "If you donwanna work, don't work!!!"; meaning 'get the hell out of here'.
Boring that the BGs don't approach like before. IMO, I think they don't approach because.
1. They don't approach customers whom they think are the type that won't spend. So, they don't bother.
2. They feel shame to approach because they think the customers will automatically say no and the girls feel this sense of rejection.
3. They're reluctant to approach customers because they feel the customer will get annoyed, bothered, rude or all perv on them.
4. They're intimidated / reluctant to approach and part of it might be due to this forum. They may approach a forum member who's not the typical easy sucker to get a drink.
"No! Don't approach that guy. He's one of them from the intanet!"
So, the BGs rather sit at the booth and just look at customers coming in until called upon to sit with a customer. However, even if the waiter or MS tells the BG to sit with a group of guys sitting at the booth, the BG may not want to sit with them when she sees the guys.
"Aww shit, I don't want to sit with these guys. *sigh*"Add #5. Many of the k girls don't feel their english is that good and so are afraid to go up to customers. They rather the mama or waitresses ask for the girls to sit but won't hustle and go up to customers unless the custmer asks for them
Many girls also feel like #2, they want the sure thing and won't take a chance to try to hustle for customers.
But that's why the see-girls do so well, they not shame to go up to customers and know that it is just a business.
But then looks also makes a difference, that chunky girl at D just turns me off, unless she puts out I can't see her making enough money to survive IMHO.
How do you find girlfriend in the bars?
TrueTemper
09-26-13, 16:41
How do you find girlfriend in the bars?When you find one let me know how you did it. I will drop my standard because the hotties won't give me the time of day.
Question for Member 69, do you have a set time when you want to see your girls or is it a hit or miss?
How do you find girlfriend in the bars?Just regularly buy a bar girl some drinks then there you have it she is your bar girlfriend.
Just regularly buy a bar girl some drinks then there you have it she is your bar girlfriend.LOL, on the surface, guys unfamiliar with KBs will think you are joking but you have described the TYPICAL KB LVB that sits with a KBG he regularly sees. They are content to just see "thier" girl just at the bar sharing with other guys in the same boat as them. These guys outnumber the typical sukebe KB poster at least 10 to 1 but probably even more. They keep the KBs in business bless thier souls. Thier goal is companionship as primary want, NOT sex. Its not that they wouldnt want sex, its that they either satisfied without, dont think they will ever get it, or dont have the confidence to pursue a real relationship and living the fantasy is good enough.
TT, I introduce you to hotties this weekend that garans you going nuts over. PM me.
LOL, on the surface, guys unfamiliar with KBs will think you are joking but you have described the TYPICAL KB LVB that sits with a KBG he regularly sees. They are content to just see "thier" girl just at the bar sharing with other guys in the same boat as them. These guys outnumber the typical sukebe KB poster at least 10 to 1 but probably even more. They keep the KBs in business bless thier souls. Thier goal is companionship as primary want, NOT sex. Its not that they wouldn't want sex, its that they either satisfied without, don't think they will ever get it, or don't have the confidence to pursue a real relationship and living the fantasy is good enough.
TT, I introduce you to hotties this weekend that garans you going nuts over. PM me.What is pm me mean?
When you find one let me know how you did it. I will drop my standard because the hotties won't give me the time of day.
Question for Member 69, do you have a set time when you want to see your girls or is it a hit or miss?TT, the older girls usually work early in the evening (like 7 pm) , the younger girls start work a little later, like around 9 or 10. As for me, it depends on which girls I want to see or sit with but usually I'm out later in the evening (9 or 10). I hardly get out earlier because I usually work out early after work. I don't stick around too long, the rowdier crowd usually shows up after midnight so I figure not much opportunity for playing and too many nosy guys wanting to see what's going on in the booths.
BTW, because my posts are moderated prior to posting, the moderator changed my C-girls to See-girls. I mean C-girls. Meaning Chinese. Girls that do well because they hustle for customers.
What is pm me mean?It means private message. Think of it as email among fellow forum members.
TrueTemper
09-27-13, 20:06
TT, the older girls usually work early in the evening (like 7 pm) , the younger girls start work a little later, like around 9 or 10. As for me, it depends on which girls I want to see or sit with but usually I'm out later in the evening (9 or 10). I hardly get out earlier because I usually work out early after work. I don't stick around too long, the rowdier crowd usually shows up after midnight so I figure not much opportunity for playing and too many nosy guys wanting to see what's going on in the booths.
BTW, because my posts are moderated prior to posting, the moderator changed my C-girls to See-girls. I mean C-girls. Meaning Chinese. Girls that do well because they hustle for customers.Thanks for your answers. I was asking if you want to sit with your girls but they are always busy do you need to find when they are open to see you?
Oldee I going stay home this weekend have not gone out on a Saturday since the LVB FM. Haven't seen my DKBG so stop going on saturdays.
Thanks for your answers. I was asking if you want to sit with your girls but they are always busy do you need to find when they are open to see you?
Oldee I going stay home this weekend have not gone out on a Saturday since the LVB FM. Haven't seen my DKBG so stop going on saturdays.Eh TT, remember when you, me and M69 coincidentaly met each other at a bar and drank together? You could have asked your questions then but you were too busy doing your own thing, LOL. M69 later told me he tried to give you pointers at EG but I think it didn't s8nk in, llol. The girl I brought to our table was for you too but you was in space cadet mode, LOL. When a skilled sekebe hunter like M69 tries to point you in the right direction, next time empty your mind and let the words sink in, LOL. I like that you asked here tho as many drinking buddies just like you and get too excited like you, LOL.
BTW, I going do you one BIG favor an introduce you to your future DKBGs that will instantly make you forget your current DKBG thus saving you heartbreak, time, and money. What? No belive me? We go bet, LOL.
TrueTemper
09-27-13, 22:18
Eh TT, remember when you, me and M69 coincidentaly met each other at a bar and drank together? You could have asked your questions then but you were too busy doing your own thing, LOL. M69 later told me he tried to give you pointers at EG but I think it didn't s8nk in, llol. The girl I brought to our table was for you too but you was in space cadet mode, LOL. When a skilled sekebe hunter like M69 tries to point you in the right direction, next time empty your mind and let the words sink in, LOL. I like that you asked here tho as many drinking buddies just like you and get too excited like you, LOL.
BTW, I going do you one BIG favor an introduce you to your future DKBGs that will instantly make you forget your current DKBG thus saving you heartbreak, time, and money. What? No belive me? We go bet, LOL.NO I don't want to bet. Did not know Member 69 at that time and the experience that he has I humbly apologize. Is it working by not micro-managing. HeHeHe.
I see a lot of new members posting.
TrueTemper
10-03-13, 13:36
TT, the older girls usually work early in the evening (like 7 pm) , the younger girls start work a little later, like around 9 or 10. As for me, it depends on which girls I want to see or sit with but usually I'm out later in the evening (9 or 10). I hardly get out earlier because I usually work out early after work. I don't stick around too long, the rowdier crowd usually shows up after midnight so I figure not much opportunity for playing and too many nosy guys wanting to see what's going on in the booths.
BTW, because my posts are moderated prior to posting, the moderator changed my C-girls to See-girls. I mean C-girls. Meaning Chinese. Girls that do well because they hustle for customers.Finally sat with a C girl that you told me about. The only problem now is to learn how to slow her down on drinking too fast.
Finally sat with a C girl that you told me about. The only problem now is to learn how to slow her down on drinking too fast.So which bar was this at? EG? Butts? If butts than stay away from the C-girl there as she is big trouble IMHO. For the C-girls at EG, hard also because they will cost you money although you do get some action. Good luck, hard to get them to slow down but you can try by telling them to slow down, no guarantees though.
Warning the following may put you to sleep. I find it interesting that A2 jumped into the discussion. Usually, the moderator is no more / no less than the traffic cop. I find it interesting that the A2 is located in South America. I would think a few members were surprised by that as I was. We have a tendency to be island-centric and the revelation of A2 location was a little bit off-putting (well for me anyways). I find it too bad that one of the members got baited into war games and was subsequently banned. I seem to recall a similar instance, perhaps with the same other forum member calling someone else out about 2 or 3 years ago. I find it interesting that an older member who hasn't been seen to much in the past few years can have so much effect on others by jumping in, chastising, and then moving on. In the mean time a pile on developed so the subject matter turned from FM guys to what kind of a hairdo some guy had at Butts. Go figure. Now, I got to admit the forum was becoming a bit much of a chat room with a bunch LOL's added to try and soften opinions, however, I'm thinking its a big tent. Plenty of room for all. Besides, it's a good read when you're taking a dump.
Now more to the point. Confirmed BBJCIM at Canal Bar. Yah just got to have no standards! Any port in a storm so to speak. 3 drinkees.
Ss
Now more to the point. Confirmed BBJCIM at Canal Bar. Yah just got to have no standards! Any port in a storm so to speak. 3 drinkees.
SsThat place is good if you want to get your rocks off for cheap. Too bad I haven't seen Choi around for a while. Candy slimmed down and looks good, but her tits seem to have shrunk with the weight loss.
Warning the following may put you to sleep. I find it interesting that A2 jumped into the discussion. Usually, the moderator is no more / no less than the traffic cop. I find it interesting that the A2 is located in South America. I would think a few members were surprised by that as I was. We have a tendency to be island-centric and the revelation of A2 location was a little bit off-putting (well for me anyways). I find it too bad that one of the members got baited into war games and was subsequently banned. I seem to recall a similar instance, perhaps with the same other forum member calling someone else out about 2 or 3 years ago. I find it interesting that an older member who hasn't been seen to much in the past few years can have so much effect on others by jumping in, chastising, and then moving on. In the mean time a pile on developed so the subject matter turned from FM guys to what kind of a hairdo some guy had at Butts. Go figure. Now, I got to admit the forum was becoming a bit much of a chat room with a bunch LOL's added to try and soften opinions, however, I'm thinking its a big tent. Plenty of room for all. Besides, it's a good read when you're taking a dump.
Now more to the point. Confirmed BBJCIM at Canal Bar. Yah just got to have no standards! Any port in a storm so to speak. 3 drinkees.
SsLaughing my ass off! As I am at home on my throne! Hey LOL! Just kidding. Nice read though, iwas beginning to think the same. I'm a noob but been out & about for almost 3decades now. Not so entertaining these reports. Always questions to common sense shit, RTFF! Asking where you going be, oh I farted, who this, who that, when & why. WTF! I just recently joined this forum after reading just a little bit & ofcourse posting what I saw at Butterfly last Saturday but thnking about observing than posting. Most of the posts are bologna anyway. Either old farts liike me or young dumb full of bullshitters yanking their wanker in their fake fucking world mindset.
Like SS, I share the opinion that there is room for everyone's types of posts and opinions in thier own style. KBs offer MANY types of venues under the "tent" or umbrella we know as the KB experience. Also, as SS posted, there are a 100 reasons we go varying from FS play to just straight up just enjoying a beer or 2 like at any bar. There are 35+ bars in honolulu with more patrons than at all the AMPs with many threads but for KBs, we just got 2. I enjoy and appreciate everyone's posts, even if may not be useful to me, it may be to someone else. AMP oriented readers may be disapointed and fustrated that reports are not similar to the L / A/S reports but KBs are not similar to AMPs like say escorts or SWs are to AMPs. Someone posting where is everyone may not be of interest to you may be to me. To give you an example, many bros have hooked up with play because of such posts after another bro seen a live report and then a bro got hooked up with a playgirl, got the scoops on girls, or just sharing brews together. If I know a bro is out and about, I can PM or text / call and ask how the action is at a certain bar for example. It may be interesting to note that 90% (yes, that many) of KB posts of CURRENT experience KB reports are made by guys that know each other in real life (FMers) or are FM friendly sharing info by PMs. Isn't sharing info in the pursuit of the forum 's directive what this forum about? I don't know about you but I like today's news today, not next week, and a report is a report if it contains info such a a bar, girl, etc. Many posters would love to just share more details in thier reports but the KB venue itself does not lend itself to making that possible due members getting exposed by KBGs and LVBs spies only too happy to identify us. Maybe the posting of farting while out and about is ill advised but there is ALWAYS the scroll button AND there there may be useful info in associated reports by such posters. Guys are HUNGRY for info and I believe ACTIVE contributors are our most valuable resourse for these threads. Trying to steer guys into AMP type reporting would only serve to make guys not post imo. Even if I may not like or be interested in some posts, I rather have posts than no posts. Besides, is it that much of a problem to try and give levity and humor in reports? How come no one critisizes the guys wanting info yet never report a follow up or make comments of no use? I don't mind even those and take a live and let live approach like SS. The above as usual IMHO.
OG old fut Oldee
Like SS, I share the opinion that there is room for everyone's types of posts and opinions in thier own style. KBs offer MANY types of venues under the "tent" or umbrella we know as the KB experience. Also, as SS posted, there are a 100 reasons we go varying from FS play to just straight up just enjoying a beer or 2 like at any bar. There are 35+ bars in honolulu with more patrons than at all the AMPs with many threads but for KBs, we just got 2. I enjoy and appreciate everyone's posts, even if may not be useful to me, it may be to someone else. AMP oriented readers may be disapointed and fustrated that reports are not similar to the L / A/S reports but KBs. And take a live and let live approach like SS. The above as usual IMHO.
OG old fut OldeeYup well written Oldee. I feel as long as a guy is not invading my game or being obnoxious or intimidating then its live and let live. Far be it from me to be judgmental as to why he is in there. Same goes for this forum. Seems to me that it was one of the most active threads around and while a lot was indeed chaff, so what. And, as you point out, there are only 2 threads. The sideline player wannabe's can be found anywhere including here. Lots of opinion, lots of judging, but when it gets down to it what is the contribution? Dropping in to say we're all stupit, while maybe correct, simply is not productive. And that is just opinion BTW not judgement.
Now onward to other things. Started rather late on Friday, most bars were dead with the exception of Camelot. Went in just to mark territory, and as the bar was full headed on out. Checked out Splash which was slow, not too many girls, maybe just a couple tweaked my interest, then on to Evergreen which is always good for eye candy viewing. Knew I had one too many as I was thinking about starting to make moves on Mimi Mama LOL.
Ss
TrueTemper
10-07-13, 21:16
So which bar was this at? EG? Butts? If butts than stay away from the C-girl there as she is big trouble IMHO. For the C-girls at EG, hard also because they will cost you money although you do get some action. Good luck, hard to get them to slow down but you can try by telling them to slow down, no guarantees though.Was the thick one at EG and I will ask to slow down on fast drinking. Oldee thanks for the intro to the good looking KBG. I could feel something special between.
The two of you. Could this be the needle in the haystack, the diamond in the rough. Maybe true love." No scare um, Go get um."!
Was the thick one at EG and I will ask to slow down on fast drinking. Oldee thanks for the intro to the good looking KBG. I could feel something special between.
The two of you. Could this be the needle in the haystack, the diamond in the rough. Maybe true love." No scare um, Go get um."!Whoa bro, no make Mobi still tink I handsome when I old and ugly, LOL. The LVB game is not my thing. These days, I just enjoy the atmosphere, beer, and enjoy hooking up bros whether its a playgirl or non rob hottie. For self described LVBs like you who enjoy being LVB, I may as well set you up with a nice pretty girl if you insist being LVB. Its better than the typical not that hot, drink plenty, not that nice KBGs. That one get choke fans willing to take your place, I just one older brother Oldee to many KBGs so I can let you cut in line. (very long line) I rarely sit with nice hotties as I rather they make money off LVBs. Many bros who know who that is have NEVER seen her without customer. You ever dated one nice hottie? Now your chance. If too hot for you, I know others but why not go fo the best? Confidence bro, confidence. No be space cadet. No shame and go for it!
That reminds me, Jasmine at EG on a week night might not be that bad versus the chinese girls altho YMMV. Just a little tittie play tho. Of course only bought 1 neko.
Have you ever noticed that the first neko you buy for a KBG lasts the longest and subsequent nekos last shorter and shorter? The only exception seems to be 2 seconds and gone by table hoppers, LOL.
Have you ever noticed that there are no more KBGs that wait to be offered neko after the first one anymore?
Have you ever noticed that the customers with the biggest welcomes after walking in the bar never get or want play but are the ones buying mama and all the KBGs neko?
Have you ever noticed that bartedresses with nice racks usually wear outfits to show off thier cleavage but are almost never the playgirls?
Have you ever noticed that waiters and waitresses never smile unless you buy them neko or ask to bring over a KBG so they get commission?
Have you ever noticed that the reserved seats at the bar before a football game is only for neko buyers half of whom don't show up?
And finally tonight, have you ever noticed that a retired member can have 500+ posts but is remembered for farting? LOL.
Oldee in town and think I will check out the late afternoon early evening action now. Oldee Moore bids you aloha for now.
Have you ever noticed that the first neko you buy for a KBG lasts the longest and subsequent nekos last shorter and shorter? The only exception seems to be 2 seconds and gone by table hoppers, LOL.
Have you ever noticed that there are no more KBGs that wait to be offered neko after the first one anymore?
Have you ever noticed that the customers with the biggest welcomes after walking in the bar never get or want play but are the ones buying mama and all the KBGs neko?
Have you ever noticed that bartedresses with nice racks usually wear outfits to show off thier cleavage but are almost never the playgirls?
Have you ever noticed that waiters and waitresses never smile unless you buy them neko or ask to bring over a KBG so they get commission?
Have you ever noticed that the reserved seats at the bar before a football game is only for neko buyers half of whom don't show up?
And finally tonight, have you ever noticed that a retired member can have 500+ posts but is remembered for farting? LOL.
Oldee in town and think I will check out the late afternoon early evening action now. Oldee Moore bids you aloha for now.You sound like Joe Moore with the,"you ever notice line"
Have you ever noticed that the first neko you buy for a KBG lasts the longest and subsequent nekos last shorter and shorter? The only exception seems to be 2 seconds and gone by table hoppers, LOL.
Have you ever noticed that there are no more KBGs that wait to be offered neko after the first one anymore?
Have you ever noticed that the customers with the biggest welcomes after walking in the bar never get or want play but are the ones buying mama and all the KBGs neko?
Have you ever noticed that bartedresses with nice racks usually wear outfits to show off thier cleavage but are almost never the playgirls?
Have you ever noticed that waiters and waitresses never smile unless you buy them neko or ask to bring over a KBG so they get commission?
Have you ever noticed that the reserved seats at the bar before a football game is only for neko buyers half of whom don't show up?
And finally tonight, have you ever noticed that a retired member can have 500+ posts but is remembered for farting? LOL.
Oldee in town and think I will check out the late afternoon early evening action now. Oldee Moore bids you aloha for now.Yessir.
I like when they:
-offer to buy you your $3 drink so that you will buy them their $20 drink.
-claim they need a "good luck drink" because it would be their first, and even after you tell them you saw them hustling multiple tables they say "Hunney! Wuzzen me!".
-have to go home and sleep which means they're going home with other customers.
-proclaim they are 'shy' yet rudely demand drinks and have the audacity to try and grab your wallet.
-say 'tikko!' when you try to roam, then you see them stagger out of the room with a boob not quite back in the bra yet.
One girl apparently thought I was too grotesque (or she was too hot, or both) for her to be caught going in the room with me, and quoted $600 per bottle (yes she wanted more than one) just so she could "sing song" in there.
I wonder what kind of people go after 200 am.
Idusixtyning
10-12-13, 01:47
I wonder what kind of people go after 200 am.I used to go late to see if could get lucky with a drunk and horny KBG. It sometimes happens if they take a liking to you. It's very convenient to live close by too.
I wonder what kind of people go after 200 am.Kind of lends itself to the question why do you wonder? Short answer. All kine. Longer view. I wonder what the inspiration for the question is. Why not just go some night and find out. At minimum you can sit at the bar and come to your own conclusions based upon your own pre-conceived notions. However, without going too much in depth, I think you would be surprised at the real answers. Young, old, rich, poor, single, married, working, retired, taxi drivers, bar backs, politicians, butchers, bakers, and candlestick makers. Oh and on occasion.
Ss
Kind of lends itself to the question why do you wonder? Short answer. All kine. Longer view. I wonder what the inspiration for the question is. Why not just go some night and find out. At minimum you can sit at the bar and come to your own conclusions based upon your own pre-conceived notions. However, without going too much in depth, I think you would be surprised at the real answers. Young, old, rich, poor, single, married, working, retired, taxi drivers, bar backs, politicians, butchers, bakers, and candlestick makers. Oh and on occasion.
SsI always go out late and it is just because of my work schedule. Personaly I don't like a bar girl that is real drunk I am out to have fun not take care of a drunk. I like to drink hard and fast so I am wrecked myself and in no condition to take care of a bar girl and would be lucky if I even get hard at that point. It is just all about having fun.
TrueTemper
10-14-13, 21:34
Master Flash Congratulation on being the new moderator. I will try to post on my next outing even if it's boring and nothing happened. Space Cadet huh!
Master Flash Congratulation on being the new moderator. I will try to post on my next outing even if it's boring and nothing happened. Space Cadet huh!LOL, I would never delete a post by Uki Eater and thought It was a software thing where whoevever is the thread starter is listed as moderator but noticed I deleted Uki's post by mistake, LOL. Eh, Uki, you moderator of you AMP disscusion thread.
LOL, I would never delete a post by Uki Eater and thought It was a software thing where whoevever is the thread starter is listed as moderator but noticed I deleted Uki's post by mistake, LOL. Eh, Uki, you moderator of you AMP disscusion thread.The problem is the Delete and Reply buttons are next to each other and you may accidentally click on Delete than Reply. YG365 created 6 AMP threads and he's the Moderator for Swan Spa, GQ, Rappongis, Ginza, Kison and the 2nd VIP thread. LOL.
OK folks, my first time at a KB and I'm in Hilo. Was having fun buying drinks, 3 wine drinks, about 4 shots and 4 or 5 beers. Plan in place to take the girl back to my hotel. I ask mama for the bill and it's 951.00!WTF I almost caused a commotion, but, am I missing something? Is this normal or am I being taken hard core? I was in the back booth with the girl, actually bangin her for a prequel to planned events at my hotel. I'm still waiting for a call from the girl. I can see a few $ for the girl, but 951.00 bill?? NO way I can let this bill go. I will either say it stolen or fraud..what do you think? The girl told me to not say anything and she will take care of it..so I'm still waiting for closing. Thoughts? I just want to know if I'm being taken, or am I paying for the night with the KBG. Again, this is my first dip into the KB world and it's been an eye opener.
OK folks, my first time at a KB and I'm in Hilo. Was having fun buying drinks, 3 wine drinks, about 4 shots and 4 or 5 beers. Plan in place to take the girl back to my hotel. I ask mama for the bill and it's 951.00!WTF I almost caused a commotion, but, am I missing something? Is this normal or am I being taken hard core? I was in the back booth with the girl, actually bangin her for a prequel to planned events at my hotel. I'm still waiting for a call from the girl. I can see a few $ for the girl, but 951.00 bill?? NO way I can let this bill go. I will either say it stolen or fraud..what do you think? The girl told me to not say anything and she will take care of it..so I'm still waiting for closing. Thoughts? I just want to know if I'm being taken, or am I paying for the night with the KBG. Again, this is my first dip into the KB world and it's been an eye opener.You getting robbed!
Few tips, if you know you going drop some coin, just buy a champagne bottle at $200, get the owner & floor.
Manager one $20.00 lucky drink. You open the bottle. Pour slow.
I wonder what kind of people go after 200 am.I haven't posted much and have been more of lurker on this site.
I often do find myself at EG, Michelle's, and Bar 7 after 2 am. Then sometimes at Little Seoul after 4 am still out and about. This is rare instances if at Little Seoul).
People that go to bars after 2 am need a drink but finish work late.
Didn't get enough play from previous bgs at other bars and got into the mood. (although I recommend if you are at this point its better $$ spent at the MP).
Taking a friend visiting the islands and wanting to show them nightlife after 2 am exists in Hawaii.
Others that want to try get lucky hoping the KBG is drunk enough so that they can take them home and get some...although its not fun to take care of a drunk KBG (dead weight no matter how small or skinny the person is sucks) on the side note the KBG won't really thank you for the nice deed you did you might get a thank you and I buy you drink from the KBG but in return she will ask you to buy her a drink in the end she makes out.
On a final note sometimes people go after 2 am to sober up! Hehe I've done a few times where I just drink pineapple juice and scope the scenery.
Idusixtyning
11-08-13, 11:36
OK folks, my first time at a KB and I'm in Hilo. Was having fun buying drinks, 3 wine drinks, about 4 shots and 4 or 5 beers. Plan in place to take the girl back to my hotel. I ask mama for the bill and it's 951.00!WTF I almost caused a commotion, but, am I missing something? Is this normal or am I being taken hard core? I was in the back booth with the girl, actually bangin her for a prequel to planned events at my hotel. I'm still waiting for a call from the girl. I can see a few $ for the girl, but 951.00 bill?? NO way I can let this bill go. I will either say it stolen or fraud..what do you think? The girl told me to not say anything and she will take care of it..so I'm still waiting for closing. Thoughts? I just want to know if I'm being taken, or am I paying for the night with the KBG. Again, this is my first dip into the KB world and it's been an eye opener.Never run a tab. Pay as you go. I didn't think there were any bonafide KBs in Hilo except for maybe a dump with old ladies. Sometimes bars will charge you a fee if they know you taking the girl offline and to your hotel. That's a standard practice in hostess bars in other countries.
OK folks, my first time at a KB and I'm in Hilo. Was having fun buying drinks, 3 wine drinks, about 4 shots and 4 or 5 beers. Plan in place to take the girl back to my hotel. I ask mama for the bill and it's 951.00!WTF I almost caused a commotion, but, am I missing something? Is this normal or am I being taken hard core? I was in the back booth with the girl, actually bangin her for a prequel to planned events at my hotel. I'm still waiting for a call from the girl. I can see a few $ for the girl, but 951.00 bill?? NO way I can let this bill go. I will either say it stolen or fraud..what do you think? The girl told me to not say anything and she will take care of it..so I'm still waiting for closing. Thoughts? I just want to know if I'm being taken, or am I paying for the night with the KBG. Again, this is my first dip into the KB world and it's been an eye opener.It's obvious they're taking advantage of you because they know it's your first time at that bar and they can tell you're new to the barscene. They'll tack on extra things on the bill when it not suppose to be that much. They'll do that when you run a tab on your cc. Better to use cash and break it into smaller increments. Never give the BG a larger bill thinking she'll come back with your change because she may just keep the change.
When they notice how easy you are to buy drinks without hesitation, they see you having a good time laughing, that's the opportunity for them to take advantage because they don't think you're the type to argue back and make a scene when they bring you the tab. They think you'll just pay it. You should ask them why it's that amount.
OK folks, my first time at a KB and I'm in Hilo. Was having fun buying drinks, 3 wine drinks, about 4 shots and 4 or 5 beers. Plan in place to take the girl back to my hotel. I ask mama for the bill and it's 951.00!WTF I almost caused a commotion, but, am I missing something? Is this normal or am I being taken hard core? I was in the back booth with the girl, actually bangin her for a prequel to planned events at my hotel. I'm still waiting for a call from the girl. I can see a few $ for the girl, but 951.00 bill?? NO way I can let this bill go. I will either say it stolen or fraud..what do you think? The girl told me to not say anything and she will take care of it..so I'm still waiting for closing. Thoughts? I just want to know if I'm being taken, or am I paying for the night with the KBG. Again, this is my first dip into the KB world and it's been an eye opener.I feel for you, especially since you are new to KBs. Your experience at. This KB will help others not make the same mistakes you did which is probably every KB mistake in the book. What bar was this? What. Happened to you is standard practice at KBs. Yes, they WILL tack on stuff to your tab waaaaay more than you ordered or bought. The KBG telling you to keep quiet and she will take care of it is lying 100% and also standard procedure. What happened to you is not uncommon for guys using cc at KBs. Thats why veterans usually no use cc at KBs. I would try to not pay this bill somehow and make stink about it but not in a violent physical way. Call the mama and KBG to complain. Name the bar and KBG so they get negative publicity. Contest the bill somehow even tho you Okd and signed off on it making it difficult to not pay but try anyway. KBs can be fun and inexpensive so its unfortunate this happened the first time you go KB.
I haven't posted much and have been more of lurker on this site.
I often do find myself at EG, Michelle's, and Bar 7 after 2 am. Then sometimes at Little Seoul after 4 am still out and about. This is rare instances if at Little Seoul).
People that go to bars after 2 am need a drink but finish work late.
Didn't get enough play from previous bgs at other bars and got into the mood. (although I recommend if you are at this point its better $$ spent at the MP).
Taking a friend visiting the islands and wanting to show them nightlife after 2 am exists in Hawaii.
Others that want to try get lucky hoping the KBG is drunk enough so that they can take them home and get some...although its not fun to take care of a drunk KBG (dead weight no matter how small or skinny the person is sucks) on the side note the KBG won't really thank you for the nice deed you did you might get a thank you and I buy you drink from the KBG but in return she will ask you to buy her a drink in the end she makes out.
On a final note sometimes people go after 2 am to sober up! Hehe I've done a few times where I just drink pineapple juice and scope the scenery.Good to see you still around mongering Dragon bro! . You were one of the first posters to this thread which I appreciate.
You getting robbed!
Few tips, if you know you going drop some coin, just buy a champagne bottle at $200, get the owner & floor.
Manager one $20.00 lucky drink. You open the bottle. Pour slow.Got to respectfully disagree as spending on mama and staff is total waste money IMHO. For what purpose? So they rob you less? LOL. Guys actually think this way and I suppose they may be right but its STILL getting robbed and they think of you as a sucker to boot behind your back. BTW, ChamPAIN been 300 or more for couple decades now. Having the attitude that "you know you going spend coin" is a no no at KBs if you don't know exact costs and what you going get. The only exceptions are you hate money and rich. My number 1 rule is choose wisely (KBGs) or not at all. Of course as usual IMHO.
OK folks, my first time at a KB and I'm in Hilo. Was having fun buying drinks, 3 wine drinks, about 4 shots and 4 or 5 beers. Plan in place to take the girl back to my hotel. I ask mama for the bill and it's 951.00!WTF I almost caused a commotion, but, am I missing something? Is this normal or am I being taken hard core? I was in the back booth with the girl, actually bangin her for a prequel to planned events at my hotel. I'm still waiting for a call from the girl. I can see a few $ for the girl, but 951.00 bill?? NO way I can let this bill go. I will either say it stolen or fraud..what do you think? The girl told me to not say anything and she will take care of it..so I'm still waiting for closing. Thoughts? I just want to know if I'm being taken, or am I paying for the night with the KBG. Again, this is my first dip into the KB world and it's been an eye opener.Sorry to see that this happened to you, although this is uncommon with people new to the KBG scene I wish the bg's in general will stop preying on the weak. But what can we do, this is how bg's make a living. At least you know next time not to use cc, don't feel too bad cause there was this one time me and Oldee was drinking at EG's and this Korean guy was just buying neko after neko and not just for one person, was like 5 nekos at a time, I know Oldee remember we was trying for help the guy out and the kbg was getting mad at us. But the guy no listen. We came to a conclusion that the guy was rich and hated money, we estimated well over 7 k in damage cause this korean guy was there even before we came over. Well good luck bro thanks for the information to benefit other bros out there.
US.
I haven't posted much and have been more of lurker on this site.
I often do find myself at EG, Michelle's, and Bar 7 after 2 am. Then sometimes at Little Seoul after 4 am still out and about. This is rare instances if at Little Seoul).
People that go to bars after 2 am need a drink but finish work late.
Didn't get enough play from previous bgs at other bars and got into the mood. (although I recommend if you are at this point its better $$ spent at the MP).
Taking a friend visiting the islands and wanting to show them nightlife after 2 am exists in Hawaii.
Others that want to try get lucky hoping the KBG is drunk enough so that they can take them home and get some...although its not fun to take care of a drunk KBG (dead weight no matter how small or skinny the person is sucks) on the side note the KBG won't really thank you for the nice deed you did you might get a thank you and I buy you drink from the KBG but in return she will ask you to buy her a drink in the end she makes out.
On a final note sometimes people go after 2 am to sober up! Hehe I've done a few times where I just drink pineapple juice and scope the scenery.Hasn't it been closed for about a year now? Or did they move to another location and if so, where? TIA.
Sorry to see that this happened to you, although this is uncommon with people new to the KBG scene I wish the bg's in general will stop preying on the weak. But what can we do, this is how bg's make a living. At least you know next time not to use cc, don't feel too bad cause there was this one time me and Oldee was drinking at EG's and this Korean guy was just buying neko after neko and not just for one person, was like 5 nekos at a time, I know Oldee remember we was trying for help the guy out and the kbg was getting mad at us. But the guy no listen. We came to a conclusion that the guy was rich and hated money, we estimated well over 7 k in damage cause this korean guy was there even before we came over. Well good luck bro thanks for the information to benefit other bros out there.
US.I will claim CC lost, and found the charge on it. Ain't my signature, can't prove it. Ramifications?
I will claim CC lost, and found the charge on it. Ain't my signature, can't prove it. Ramifications?Report it as lost and cancel it.
Hasn't it been closed for about a year now? Or did they move to another location and if so, where? TIA.Little Seoul moved to Pucks Alley in the old Chinese buffet location, adjacent to the driveway for Imanas.
Got to respectfully disagree as spending on mama and staff is total waste money IMHO. For what purpose? So they rob you less? LOL. Guys actually think this way and I suppose they may be right but its STILL getting robbed and they think of you as a sucker to boot behind your back. BTW, ChamPAIN been 300 or more for couple decades now. Having the attitude that "you know you going spend coin" is a no no at KBs if you don't know exact costs and what you going get. The only exceptions are you hate money and rich. My number 1 rule is choose wisely (KBGs) or not at all. Of course as usual IMHO.Agree, rule number 2. From the moment you step in. While they smiling at you. At hustln KGB mind is going how am I going get this guy to leave with as little of the money he came in with. Even with the cash, you having fun, so you bust out your last $ bill. Will go fast. Been there done that.
TrueTemper
11-14-13, 07:42
This is not the first time that it happened. Trying to get play and the KBG was very patient but peewee could not get hard. Could it be because I am old and does being drunk maybe get anything to do with it? Sometimes I good to go though!! HeHeHe.
This is not the first time that it happened. Trying to get play and the KBG was very patient but peewee could not get hard. Could it be because I am old and does being drunk maybe get anything to do with it? Sometimes I good to go though!! HeHeHe.That would be the alcohol talking. Sometimes it'll give you a limp dick, other times it'll take forever to cum. That is usually the reason why most MS look out for the guys that have been drinking and cut their time short. AMP girls also do not like drunks guys as they take forever to get off.
This is not the first time that it happened. Trying to get play and the KBG was very patient but peewee could not get hard. Could it be because I am old and does being drunk maybe get anything to do with it? Sometimes I good to go though!! HeHeHe.Go try and give me some, I never did try V pill yet. LOL. JR is right altho I never had that problem yet that I can remember. I know your routine with the Remys before you go in the bars plus you not a strong drinker so more so you will be affected performance wise. Next time drink AFTER you play.
Was dropping off Kbg, while in the car her phone must have rang about 10 times. I thought to myself customer must be going crazy. Off that subject I recently bought viagara from a friend he said that on line it's 5 bucks per pill.
Been said before and will happen again, but, maybe a newb will catch it before they get bit. Was sitting in Splash watching as a KBG tallied up her tab for some guys in the back room. $400 unknown charge (perhaps a room charge), food $300 (could have been very expensive kalbi? Drinks for the guys, and drinks for the girls. Watched as she just proceeded to add more check marks for every girl in there. Slash / Slash / Slash "oh an extra $60 here an extra $40 there, and so on. Well the boys in the room had a surprise coming. Final tally was Just over 3 grand. Sure hope they had fun. Rules to live by in a KB or VB. NO TAB, NO Credit Card. Pay as you go. ALWAYS.
SS.
Captin Crunch
11-18-13, 21:18
Was dropping off Kbg, while in the car her phone must have rang about 10 times. I thought to myself customer must be going crazy. Off that subject I recently bought viagara from a friend he said that on line it's 5 bucks per pill.Dude, is that your girl or "just a friend"?
Lowlys One
11-18-13, 22:01
Go try and give me some, I never did try V pill yet. LOL. JR is right altho I never had that problem yet that I can remember. I know your routine with the Remys before you go in the bars plus you not a strong drinker so more so you will be affected performance wise. Next time drink AFTER you play.Hey Oldee I got some good news, viagra works wonders even if you don't have E.D., I know you're prolly thinking "well if I don't have E.D. Why would I need or want to be involved with something I don't need, this guy is nuts", since you've said you never taken one, you prolly don't realize how erect, erect can be, remember back in high school or college days how hard it got, well it's my suspicion that the you at what, 55 60 years old, would impress the you at 18-20 years old, I mean it'feel like the skin is going to tear open, a bonafide weapon, I don't care how long or short it is...if you don't have any heart problems, you will after feeling the new you, try it, I swear, a weapon a serious weapon!
Been said before and will happen again, but, maybe a newb will catch it before they get bit. Was sitting in Splash watching as a KBG tallied up her tab for some guys in the back room. $400 unknown charge (perhaps a room charge), food $300 (could have been very expensive kalbi? Drinks for the guys, and drinks for the girls. Watched as she just proceeded to add more check marks for every girl in there. Slash / Slash / Slash "oh an extra $60 here an extra $40 there, and so on. Well the boys in the room had a surprise coming. Final tally was Just over 3 grand. Sure hope they had fun. Rules to live by in a KB or VB. NO TAB, NO Credit Card. Pay as you go. ALWAYS.
SS.Yeah, thanks for reporting Ss bro. Good reminders even tho its been talked about before as new guys to KBs may not have read old posts. I would also suggest no bring your cc at all if you tend to think with small head and have a certain max amount you going spend in your KB drinking wallet no matter what. IMHO, the private room is only for guys who hate money or rich. Even if you get small kine play like tittie play, its usually quick tease but no please. I no like spend thousands for that or usually not even that.
Hey Oldee I got some good news, viagra works wonders even if you don't have E.D., I know you're prolly thinking "well if I don't have E.D. Why would I need or want to be involved with something I don't need, this guy is nuts", since you've said you never taken one, you prolly don't realize how erect, erect can be, remember back in high school or college days how hard it got, well it's my suspicion that the you at what, 55 60 years old, would impress the you at 18-20 years old, I mean it'feel like the skin is going to tear open, a bonafide weapon, I don't care how long or short it is...if you don't have any heart problems, you will after feeling the new you, try it, I swear, a weapon a serious weapon!Thanks Lowlys bro. Yup, I aint the man like young days and I'm sure V would help me. I need to try it sometime.
Was dropping off Kbg, while in the car her phone must have rang about 10 times. I thought to myself customer must be going crazy. Off that subject I recently bought viagara from a friend he said that on line it's 5 bucks per pill.That's common for young KBG hotties or a stalker.
Dude, is that your girl or "just a friend"?Friends for now. Hope good friend soon.
Agree, rule number 2. From the moment you step in. While they smiling at you. At hustln KGB mind is going how am I going get this guy to leave with as little of the money he came in with. Even with the cash, you having fun, so you bust out your last $ bill. Will go fast. Been there done that.Yes you are right, get drunk spend all the money & feel sick next day, story of my life. Got have self control.
TrueTemper
11-20-13, 15:35
Yes you are right, get drunk spend all the money & feel sick next day, story of my life. Got have self control.That also happens to me I couldn't understand why the next day feel sick. Not all the time though sometimes I have a smile on my face all day. LOL.
That also happens to me I couldn't understand why the next day feel sick. Not all the time though sometimes I have a smile on my face all day. LOL.I feel a little better at least I not the only one. Funny, I keep making same mistake. Must be the alcohol.
I was at Business last week for Happy hour after work, there's very good house pupu. The girl who made the food name Jessica, she told me try to make different menu every wk. She's good, nice and very important not push drink. I was having a good time and brought her 2 drinks. She works Wed-Fri, I may go down today if finish work early. Don't go Sat-Tue, there are 2 huge BG bartender and not much service unless you buy them drink. I look at their size, its horrible.
I was at Business last week for Happy hour after work, there's very good house pupu. The girl who made the food name Jessica, she told me try to make different menu every wk. She's good, nice and very important not push drink. I was having a good time and brought her 2 drinks. She works Wed-Fri, I may go down today if finish work early. Don't go Sat-Tue, there are 2 huge BG bartender and not much service unless you buy them drink. I look at their size, its horrible.Thanks for the pupu scoops bro. I usually no go day shift (before 8 pm) unless Kalihi but will check it out and compare to Splash Tues. / Wed. Day which also good. KBs get good grindz many bars which many guys don't realize.
Splash Tues. / Wed. Day house pupu is good too. She used to work in Italian rest.
Was just in a discussion about the perfect bar with some guys. Hmmm what would make the perfect bar. Now remember, it has got to be viable economically. We preferred a quasi legal bar with no troubles from INS. Monthly rents suggest Kalihi is a better bet IF you can get the girls to come. Gambling machines? Not sure. They are real money makers but again you are on the edge of trouble. Pupus? Got to have but how do you fend off the guys going for freebies. For me, its all about service. I want a good / attentive bartender to give me more ice when I need it. At minimum, some chips / peanuts / m&m's / trail mix or some kind of munchies should be automatic. Oh and the KBG's got to have operating rules. High booths. Segregated karaoke system so it doesn't blast the whole bar, big screen TV's, maybe even self operated speakers by your booth and dimmer lighting. Just thinkin'.
Ss.
Duke Atreides
11-25-13, 07:37
Hey guys. Been fairly active in the AMP scene for a bit.
But recently stumbled into a couple of KBs with my brother and had a blast just having a few drinks and laughing with the girls...
We are not looking for any "play" just someplace to grab a beer or two and laugh with some girls. Any recommendations on a few good places for two happy haole brothers to kick it when out and about? Preferably in the Makiki / keamoku area ... The more chill the atmosphere the better. Thanks again.
Hey guys. Been fairly active in the AMP scene for a bit.
But recently stumbled into a couple of KBs with my brother and had a blast just having a few drinks and laughing with the girls...
We are not looking for any "play" just someplace to grab a beer or two and laugh with some girls. Any recommendations on a few good places for two happy haole brothers to kick it when out and about? Preferably in the Makiki / keamoku area ... The more chill the atmosphere the better. Thanks again.Howzit Duke bro. First, where is your KB report of where you went other than you had a good time "somewhere". Anyway, your best bet IMHO is bar hop the kapiolani area bars like Twilight Evergreen Ellie's Damoir Butterfly and Casino until you find the atmosphere YOU like. If you not lazy, Business Camelot and Splash walking distance of the other bars and not hard to visit all in 1 night. You can walk in look and if the scenery bot to your liking walk out and go to next bar without buying a drink. The bars can change day to day dependibg what day or what girls are on duty. As long as you can say NO, KBs can be great fun and a good place to kick back and relax.
Was just in a discussion about the perfect bar with some guys. Hmmm what would make the perfect bar. Now remember, it has got to be viable economically. We preferred a quasi legal bar with no troubles from INS. Monthly rents suggest Kalihi is a better bet IF you can get the girls to come. Gambling machines? Not sure. They are real money makers but again you are on the edge of trouble. Pupus? Got to have but how do you fend off the guys going for freebies. For me, its all about service. I want a good / attentive bartender to give me more ice when I need it. At minimum, some chips / peanuts / m&m's / trail mix or some kind of munchies should be automatic. Oh and the KBG's got to have operating rules. High booths. Segregated karaoke system so it doesn't blast the whole bar, big screen TV's, maybe even self operated speakers by your booth and dimmer lighting. Just thinkin'.
Ss.I will need more than 1 post to answer, LOL. I do however agree that we got to make it win win where there the bar makes money but not by robbing and the customet enjoys himself without spending thousands just to hold hands with the girls. Also, hard to please everyone as there are so many reasins and objectives of customers. LVBs for example will be satisfied with a lot of pretty girls that don't play. Some KBs already meet thier dream standard, LOL. I got to sleep on this. Hope others reply too.
Bars should make girls drink cheaper or you buy five drinks and guarantee you can have sex. This is just my opinion. I k now this will never happen. Oh well just food for thought.
Bars should make girls drink cheaper or you buy five drinks and guarantee you can have sex. This is just my opinion. I k now this will never happen. Oh well just food for thought.If yah don't mind grandma's who have to wear "depends" may I recommend Blue Sea or Canal Bar.
Ss.
Back in the day, neko was not a factor expense wise being was just 1 or 2 bucks which was cheap even then. The girls made money AFTER you left from tips on the table or if you bought chamPAIN. Of course cannot go back to those fun times but this is my idea. 3 different neko prices. Goodluck drink? Same price as customer drink or at most 3 bucks for domestic beer. After all, its probably just a shot of water lasting 2 seconds anyway. The girl, bar itself and customer wins. A smart girl can make a few bucks with many customers buying gl drinks, like bar customers for example. It adds up. Goodluck implies something in the future. 20 for neko means they already got lucky. Interview and LVB neko price 10 bucks. A lot cheaper to take a chance on a KBG this way. The robs won't lose out because instead of every 5 mintues asking, they ask every 2 minutes. LOL. However, smart customers will then know what's up with thier KBG too and smart girls will stay longer to entice the guy to buy more. PLAY neko 20 bucks. Self explanetary. You want 20 dolla neko? That identifiies you as playgirl. All 3 prices based on win win and is slightly in the girl's favor. Remember, 20 neko is a price that has outpaced inflation and really should be 10. This is especially true for nekos lasting all of 5 seconds which is common today. Hey, I can dream can't I? LOL.
Back in the day, neko was not a factor expense wise being was just 1 or 2 bucks which was cheap even then. The girls made money AFTER you left from tips on the table or if you bought chamPAIN. Of course cannot go back to those fun times but this is my idea. 3 different neko prices. Goodluck drink? Same price as customer drink or at most 3 bucks for domestic beer. After all, its probably just a shot of water lasting 2 seconds anyway. The girl, bar itself and customer wins. A smart girl can make a few bucks with many customers buying gl drinks, like bar customers for example. It adds up. Goodluck implies something in the future. 20 for neko means they already got lucky. Interview and LVB neko price 10 bucks. A lot cheaper to take a chance on a KBG this way. The robs won't lose out because instead of every 5 mintues asking, they ask every 2 minutes. LOL. However, smart customers will then know what's up with thier KBG too and smart girls will stay longer to entice the guy to buy more. PLAY neko 20 bucks. Self explanetary. You want 20 dolla neko? That identifiies you as playgirl. All 3 prices based on win win and is slightly in the girl's favor. Remember, 20 neko is a price that has outpaced inflation and really should be 10. This is especially true for nekos lasting all of 5 seconds which is common today. Hey, I can dream can't I? LOL.Sorry I know I haven't posted much but I've been most a lurker. I like the idea of the 3 tier prices. Although I would make it $5 for lucky drink that would be decent for KBG to be happy that customer is buying a drink, $10 for KBG you know for long time or like Oldee said also for interview purposes, and $15 for play drinks self explanatory. Sorry but $20 can get me about 2 drinks and change if I'm drinking a mixed drink or a shot or more if I drink beer and after that the KBG can play with me all she wants because I'm drinking real stuff. Dreaming is good like Mr. Oldee said "I have a dream.
Happy Thanksgiving to all even you KBG!
Sorry I know I haven't posted much but I've been most a lurker. I like the idea of the 3 tier prices. Although I would make it $5 for lucky drink that would be decent for KBG to be happy that customer is buying a drink, $10 for KBG you know for long time or like Oldee said also for interview purposes, and $15 for play drinks self explanatory. Sorry but $20 can get me about 2 drinks and change if I'm drinking a mixed drink or a shot or more if I drink beer and after that the KBG can play with me all she wants because I'm drinking real stuff. Dreaming is good like Mr. Oldee said "I have a dream.
Happy Thanksgiving to all even you KBG!Yeah, I can live with 5 dolla GL neko dragon bro. For you KB mamas that have LVBs that read here for you, listen to our suggestions as it will help your bar make more money. Overall, KBs are slow now, at least compared to prior years. No matter what, first priority is attracting customers right? No matter your prices for anything, no customers or less customers mean less money you make. Its no secret KBGs today complain SLOW, nobody bought me drink today etc. I ALWAYS hear that. You KBGs always say this. Then you try get the most out of the customers you do have until they wise up or run out of money. Win-lose strategy only work for so long. The girls follow where they think got the most customers. Name a popular girl and garantee she is working or wants to work busy bar. Thats why have musical chairs of KBG movements and they only loyal to money, not mamas. Changing the way you do business will help you make more money. Why? Because cheaper volume spending will beat expensive spending. Thats why 99% of fast food restaurants make more than fine dining ones. Same thing like Walmart versus Macys. Insanity is doing the same things hoping things to change. Now I know the girls want to go work busy bar and it will be if you change neko prices. I know you mamas like recruit money making girls and you will this way. At first, they girls will be sceptical at 10 dolla neko but these are the same girls sitting in thee booth with NO customers. We no like spend 20 on a girl we don't know. We might chance 5 or 10 tho. Secondly, a busy bar of half not buying neko customers not as good as busy with many customers buying neko even if its 10 dolla nekos. STILL better than 0 dollas right? BOTH customers and KBGs will want to work at the bar implementing this. WIN-WIN. Now I know spotlite tried a 10 dolla neko day awhile back daytime shift or something and was non alcohol too. However, got to do this night time no restrictions for it to work. Even then, guys was very interested but we no like daytime talent as much as night time. Do something different and guys will come. For example, the Spotlite weds buffet always packed right? Guys buys the girls nekos then right? Givers gain! Guys that wouddnt ordinarily buy nekos would! Net gain would be MORE than just 20 dolla neko alone. More money for bar and girls and girls would want to work at this kine bar because busy with more guys apt to buy nekos. Think about it mamas. I know I would surely patronize this kine bar. Who wouldn't?
It's to predictable on what they'll be doing and not doing, which is why it discourages customers from wanting to bother spending. They know what the BGs will do and not do when they go bar regularly and read the forum.
"Watch, I bet she's going to go sit with another customer and not come back. See! Told you".
"Watch, she's going to start asking for the next drink in a shorter time. See! Told you.
"Watch, you see that BG, she's going to ask for a goodluck drink. See! Told you.
"Watch, she's going to just tease and ask for the next bottle in the BR if you want more play. See! Told you.
"Watch, you'll walk out of the BR with blue balls. See! Told you.
"Watch, as you walk in, the younger BGs will be in the booth, just look and then go back fiddling with their phones as you walk in. See! Told you.
"Watch, I bet this bar will be dead as usual. See! Told you.
Same thing over and over. The bar and the BGs don't give customers that hope and do something spontaneously different where the customers mindset can change. They just repetitively say the same lines and do the same things over and over and over. It's not like there is a constant supply of new customers coming into the KBs.
"Watch, as you walk in, the younger BGs will be in the booth, just look and then go back fiddling with their phones as you walk in. See! Told you.
It's not like there is a constant supply of new customers coming into the KBs.That's what I dislike about bars anymore. I miss the days of being approached by girls who would serve then try to sit with you. Some of them had really good verbal and non-verbal sales pitches! Now they're staffed with lazy queens who expect the waiters to do everything, and half of them are assholes.
For years, I was happily buying drinks but since there are really no prospects anymore, I've been spending elsewhere. IMHO many of the girls coming through the revolving door are gorgeous, but it is like they are not there and hence useless.
The worst part is, no matter what sage advice or eye-opening viewpoints you and Oldee present, they will never change and because they are so inflexible we will see more places "For Lease", like Tomorrow I. There are ways to do well even when things are bad.
They blame the economy when they should be blaming themselves. Men are still spending, just not in their bars. They need to take a good look at Kison on a good night (which is most nights) and learn from Chanel.
That's what I dislike about bars anymore. I miss the days of being approached by girls who would serve then try sit with you. Now they're lazy queens who expect the waiters to do everything, and half of them are assholes.
The worst part is, no matter what sage advice or eye-opening viewpoints you and Oldee present, they will never change and because they are so inflexible we will see more places "For Lease", like Tomorrow I. There are ways to do well even when things are bad.
They blame the economy when they should be blaming themselves. They need to take a good look at Kison on a good night (which is most nights) and learn from Chanel.The kbg now days are more greedy.
They blame the economy when they should be blaming themselves. Men are still spending, just not in their bars.The bar attitude is.
"If the bar has to close down, it close down".
It's not like the hostess bars will do surveys with the customers on how the bar can be better and improve.
The bgs attitude is.
"I don't care. If slow, I'll just go to another bar. It's not like I plan to work in the bar forever.
They just hang around and make whatever they can and then leave.
[QUOTE=HMobius;1941435]That's what I dislike about bars anymore. I miss the days of being approached by girls who would serve then try to sit with you. Some of them had really good verbal and non-verbal sales pitches! Now they're staffed with lazy queens who expect the waiters to do everything, and half of them are assholes.
For years, I was happily buying drinks but since there are really no prospects anymore, I've been spending elsewhere. IMHO many of the girls coming through the revolving door are gorgeous, but it is like they are not there and hence useless.
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As usual Mr HM is on point. Used to be service oriented, now it's "you're so lucky that I acknowledge your presence" attitude for the Kapiolani bars. Kalihi still holds some of the old style of KBG's trying to "earn" your attention and not the other way around.
I like the multi-tier drink system, but, I think that the bars wouldn't go for it cause its a bit difficult to discern what level the customer/kbg is at. "Oh we're in the interview stage so our drinks are 10bucks" Perhaps, a simplistic approach would work. $10 for drinks purchased at the bar and $20 for drinks purchased at the booth. Of course if they would go for a 5/10 price it would even be better but I doubt we could get 'em to back up that far.
Yeah as Mr HM noted, waiters are a problem too. I would assume that waiters and valet parking came in so the KB's could tap us just a bit more. Get that extra few bucks for their home boys. Buy the bartender or barback a $10 or in some places a $20 drink?!? You have got to be kidding me. Why? Just so he will put some ice in my glass on occasion? Now I know all sorts have costs go up. The building owner wants more lease money, HECO charges more, I figure the price of food and drinks have all inflated, but, have those costs gone up 100% since "back in the day". Hmmm maybe they have come to think of it. So when the drinkees inflated what did the KBGs do? They deflated their service. Doesn't make any sense.
Old business models are just that old. Used to be the high-roller foreign customer came into town and dropped a load on the KB because he/they were on company money. Basically, we were just "filler" between those visits. Now, those "business expense" guys have been greatly reduced and the KBGs try to make up for it by hitting several tables, lucky drinks, hit and run, etc. With the short term KBGs (the 3 month wonders) all they want is to make as much as possible, as quick as possible, and gone. Haven't figured out why they just sit there looking at their cel phones though. Seems to me they would be hustling every guy who came through the door, but, what the heck do I know.
So Ms Mama change your business model. At minimum a 10bar/20table drinkee menu. Free parking. Automatic small snacks (shoots make it salty and we'll drink more). Girls forget the Lucky Drink line. Make your approach, work your magic, and move us to the booths based upon either your clever conversation, warm personality, or the fact that you got a good grip on jr.
But then again, what the heck do I know.
SS
The bar attitude is.
"If the bar has to close down, it close down".
It's not like the hostess bars will do surveys with the customers on how the bar can be better and improve.
The bgs attitude is.
"I don't care. If slow, I'll just go to another bar. It's not like I plan to work in the bar forever.
They just hang around and make whatever they can and then leave.That's true, but since all they want is money they should be doing that little bit more and be swimming in it.
If they're going to have such a careless attitude then they shouldn't complain, argue and fight.
That's true, but since all they want is money they should be doing that little bit more and be swimming in it.
If they're going to have such a careless attitude then they shouldn't complain, argue and fight.A member on here brought up a point before about how customers in the KB need to be more demanding. But, they're not which is the problem. They don't expect much, don't complain and they just spend to look good in the bar. You think most guys that go KBs are going to put their foot down and make a say / complaint if they are bothered? No, they shame to. As a result of this, it has molded and spoiled the bar and BGs to think a certain way and therefore they continue to do what they do. If you sit with a young BG and try to get some play from her, she'll be like:
"Why you got to be like that for? Why can't you just sit down, behave and just buy me drinks? Other customers that I sit with, they don't do that".
Haven't been here in ages, just had some drinks with some friends. Denver played KC SNF. Not bad eye candy, was early afternoon, so maybe not too much action. Not sure if there's any action to be played here. Spacious lay out, had a pool table and dart boards. Nice potogee bartender, I think she said her name was Janine, pretty face, nice dress, heels, service was great. Tall Korean girl named Cindy? Sindee? Sin-hee? Not sure of spelling asked me if I wanted to buy her a drink but declined. Very pink. I could have sworn had 3 bars with 3 diff bartenders like that club on that one side street with the mean Viet female bartenders, I forget the name but was for young keiki's.
Glad Broncos beat KC to show who's top boss in the AFC West.
Went kb over heard guy say he was Horny, girl says use your hand it's cheaper.
NinjaLurker
12-11-13, 03:12
That's what I dislike about bars anymore. I miss the days of being approached by girls who would serve then try to sit with you. Some of them had really good verbal and non-verbal sales pitches! Now they're staffed with lazy queens who expect the waiters to do everything, and half of them are assholes.
For years, I was happily buying drinks but since there are really no prospects anymore, I've been spending elsewhere. IMHO many of the girls coming through the revolving door are gorgeous, but it is like they are not there and hence useless.
The worst part is, no matter what sage advice or eye-opening viewpoints you and Oldee present, they will never change and because they are so inflexible we will see more places "For Lease", like Tomorrow I. There are ways to do well even when things are bad.
They blame the economy when they should be blaming themselves. Men are still spending, just not in their bars. They need to take a good look at Kison on a good night (which is most nights) and learn from Chanel.Howzit HM,
I thought I had found something close to the changed bar. Bartender was newer, spoke pretty well, and had a pretty meaningful conversation going, between her pouring drinks. So I offer to buy her a drink. After a bit, I head to the back and play some machines, talk to one of the girls hustling me for drinks and boom boom. She tells me the bartender don't boom boom, but there's always a first. I lose my money head back to the bar. The bartender comes across the bar and sits with me. I buy her a second drink, continuing the meaningful conversation. She finishes it, mini bottle beer and asks me for another and asks if I can buy one for mama because she working bar for her while she sits with me. That was it, ALOHA. So much for the different bar.
NL.
NinjaLurker
12-11-13, 03:26
Howzit Guys!
Went out with one the regulars here to a few bars on Kap a few weeks ago.
Has been awhile for me so besides really enjoying the tour, I noticed signs that the bars are paying attention to the recommedations made on this forum.
For instance, after complaints that I saw on this forum, in two different bars, the bar snacks were served in a much more sanitary manner that made me feel like munching on them.
I truly believe that the work being done here on the forum is not going to waste. It will definitely take time, but it pays off.
Now if we can get the $5 good luck, nice to meet you drink, $10 LVB drink and the $20 serious play drink scale going everyone will win!
Keep it up!
NL.
Howzit Guys!
Went out with one the regulars here to a few bars on Kap a few weeks ago.
Has been awhile for me so besides really enjoying the tour, I noticed signs that the bars are paying attention to the recommedations made on this forum.
For instance, after complaints that I saw on this forum, in two different bars, the bar snacks were served in a much more sanitary manner that made me feel like munching on them.
I truly believe that the work being done here on the forum is not going to waste. It will definitely take time, but it pays off.
Now if we can get the $5 good luck, nice to meet you drink, $10 LVB drink and the $20 serious play drink scale going everyone will win!
Keep it up!
NL.You know, a wise man said if you want others to change, look at yourself first. I post to educate LVBs who the KBGs base thier actions on. As I said before, KBs are like North Korea. If you control info and keep 97% of the population in the dark, your dictatorship will survive. We cannot change KBGs, only ourselves.
Howzit HM,
I thought I had found something close to the changed bar. Bartender was newer, spoke pretty well, and had a pretty meaningful conversation going, between her pouring drinks. So I offer to buy her a drink. After a bit, I head to the back and play some machines, talk to one of the girls hustling me for drinks and boom boom. She tells me the bartender don't boom boom, but there's always a first. I lose my money head back to the bar. The bartender comes across the bar and sits with me. I buy her a second drink, continuing the meaningful conversation. She finishes it, mini bottle beer and asks me for another and asks if I can buy one for mama because she working bar for her while she sits with me. That was it, ALOHA. So much for the different bar.
NL.Unfortunately that is no change, is quite universal within the hostess bars, and has been going on since the beginning of time, so to speak.
Some recent younger girls have tried the "Buy my friend a drink, too" tactic on me (more of a demand) and along with some other personal observations, it seems they are being taught to do this (along with some other bad ideas) by the older hostesses and managers.
This is one way that I find bars have become annoyingly monotonous.
TrueTemper
12-12-13, 17:27
If Oldee can repeat the interview process, including myself, and help out the newbies. Sometimes this works for me when I am in the booth with my.
DKBG. She ask for another Neko's. I tell her for wait another ten minutes and I will buy her another one. So her fifteen minutes becomes twenty-five or.
Ten minutes becomes twenty. But you are setting up the following drinks to last a little longer. This coul be all BS, but it works for me.
If Oldee can repeat the interview process, including myself, and help out the newbies. Sometimes this works for me when I am in the booth with my.
DKBG. She ask for another Neko's. I tell her for wait another ten minutes and I will buy her another one. So her fifteen minutes becomes twenty-five or.
Ten minutes becomes twenty. But you are setting up the following drinks to last a little longer. This coul be all BS, but it works for me.Nekos last longer, LOL. I never had a customer not satisfied, fo reals! As for interview refresher, remember my numba 1 rule, choose wisely or not at all. If you like be LVB, no need my advice but if you like nekos last longer refer back to title of this post, LOL.
Unfortunately that is no change, is quite universal within the hostess bars, and has been going on since the beginning of time, so to speak.
Some recent younger girls have tried the "Buy my friend a drink, too" tactic on me (more of a demand) and along with some other personal observations, it seems they are being taught to do this (along with some other bad ideas) by the older hostesses and managers.
This is one way that I find bars have become annoyingly monotonous.Since the girls are asking the same shit we should come up with our own lines, that we all use in response to their lame requests. L.
Since the girls are asking the same shit we should come up with our own lines, that we all use in response to their lame requests. L.Opso (none, empty) honey.
AlohaHotDog808
12-13-13, 04:53
Someone told me there's a bar near the Ambassador Hotel area that Japanese hotties line up and LOOK for rich men to date for the night, almost like hookers but not really, they want a good time, some rich guy to shower gifts and money on them, and maybe get some kind of Hollywood hunk. I was wandering and saw an upstairs bar called Genius Lounge several streets over, within walking distance, is this the one? It's right upstairs from a ABC or something, and there were all kinds of well dressed Japanese babes walking all over the place.
Ambassador lobby has some FINE Japanese babes too, almost exclusively, although I hear occasional Chinese and Korean.
That is such bs. We come to see you not friends. They all like gang bang us. Make me sick.
TrueTemper
12-13-13, 14:18
Opso (none, empty) honey.Shoots I'll buy one for either you or your friend. Who plays more?
Why is it that for me their friend is always not a hottie.
AKBT, I forgot you good at self-marketing. I might be interested if the oama killer takes the tour.
Captin Crunch
12-13-13, 14:43
Someone told me there's a bar near the Ambassador Hotel area that Japanese hotties line up and LOOK for rich men to date for the night, almost like hookers but not really, they want a good time, some rich guy to shower gifts and money on them, and maybe get some kind of Hollywood hunk. I was wandering and saw an upstairs bar called Genius Lounge several streets over, within walking distance, is this the one? It's right upstairs from a ABC or something, and there were all kinds of well dressed Japanese babes walking all over the place.
Ambassador lobby has some FINE Japanese babes too, almost exclusively, although I hear occasional Chinese and Korean.Where is the Ambassador Hotel by?
Some recent younger girls have tried the "Buy my friend a drink, too" tactic on me (more of a demand) and along with some other personal observations, it seems they are being taught to do this (along with some other bad ideas) by the older hostesses and managers.
That is such bs. We come to see you not friends. They all like gang bang us. Make me sick.Heh, I notice several times when they do bring another BG to the table, they want that BG to take the place of the BG that you're currently sitting with and have her sit with you instead. The BG you originally wanted to sit with later wanders away to sit with another customer. By them doing this, they think you won't mind because you have a BG sitting with you. Problem is, that's not the BG that you want to sit with and buy LD. Plus, if they see you as the type to spend (have spent money in the bar) they bring other BGs to come so that they can benefit from you to.
Where is the Ambassador Hotel by?If you're heading into Waikki going towards Diamond Head, Its at the beginning of Kuhio Avenue kind of at the fork to turn into Kuhio from Kaulakaua. And the Ala Wai side of Kuhio. Its not that many stories as the hotel same side and accross of it but its rather wide than tall. Can't miss it.
Saying NO to neko is no big deal. Unfortunately, that's the problem many guys have. Its in the dna to say ok to a girl asking for local guys. Haaad fo say no. Yet for others, its fun to see the girls try thier hardest to make us reach for our wallets. The girls definitetly have a 6th sense to know which guys no can say no or have hard time saying no. Once you learn the power of the NO, you will enjoy yourself more. I am the customer. No servive, no neko. It doesn't even have to mean they got to play if they are genuinely interesting and I enjoy myself in thier company. I let them know I am not there to neccesarily be graced with thier presence and listen to them ask what they want from me. They somehow know without me having to say much or needing clever comebacks. You could say I'm just honest with them in that regard. Then some girls try REALLY hard as its a pride issue which makes it fun, LOL. The power of the NO will set you free bros.
Since the girls are asking the same shit we should come up with our own lines, that we all use in response to their lame requests. L.Typically, the 'friend' drink is a shot of soju but regardless usually lasts 5 seconds; or else the friend only sips and leaves in minutes with drink still in the glass. It's a big waste of money.
There are myriad responses customers could refute with, ranging from G to X rated, I reckon.
Someone told me there's a bar near the Ambassador Hotel area that Japanese hotties line up and LOOK for rich men to date for the night, almost like hookers but not really, they want a good time, some rich guy to shower gifts and money on them, and maybe get some kind of Hollywood hunk. I was wandering and saw an upstairs bar called Genius Lounge several streets over, within walking distance, is this the one? It's right upstairs from a ABC or something, and there were all kinds of well dressed Japanese babes walking all over the place.
Ambassador lobby has some FINE Japanese babes too, almost exclusively, although I hear occasional Chinese and Korean.There is a "Genius Lounge" sake bar and grill at 346 Lewers Street in Waikiki. The Yelp reviews I saw do not make it sound like a Monger environment, but rather a social gathering spot for couples and groups.
There used to be a hot j-bar called "Angel" about 10 years ago in the Imperial Hotel at the makai end of Lewers Street, but I do not know if it is still there. At that time, it was the kind of bar staffed with the kind of girls (workers) AHD808 describes. I have been meaning to explore to see if that bar is still there but just never did, in spite of how much fun it was.
Yes, the j-girls in the lobby of the Ambassador Hotel are very tempting :). I wanted to date them instead of the girl I was actually going to see.
AlohaHotDog808
12-16-13, 03:17
Where is the Ambassador Hotel by?It's pretty much at the doorway to Waikiki just off Kuhio, right past where the old Sizzler used to be. There's some kind of weird financial services place at that block. Ala Moana BLvd terminates into Kalakaua, and Kuhio begins right at a weird shaped park, that's where the Ambassador is, right across from that park. Ambassador faces the harbor and the ocean from that point.
There are some beautiful J and K gals in the lobby, some seemingly just waiting for, nothing, seems like, except to be hit on and picked up! Haven't been successful yet.
Saying NO to neko is no big deal. Unfortunately, that's the problem many guys have. Its in the dna to say ok to a girl asking for local guys. Haaad fo say no. Yet for others, its fun to see the girls try thier hardest to make us reach for our wallets. The girls definitetly have a 6th sense to know which guys no can say no or have hard time saying no. Once you learn the power of the NO, you will enjoy yourself more. I am the customer. No servive, no neko. It doesn't even have to mean they got to play if they are genuinely interesting and I enjoy myself in thier company. I let them know I am not there to neccesarily be graced with thier presence and listen to them ask what they want from me. They somehow know without me having to say much or needing clever comebacks. You could say I'm just honest with them in that regard. Then some girls try REALLY hard as its a pride issue which makes it fun, LOL. The power of the NO will set you free bros.I like to say, "maybe next time". Just decline politely and keep the nice guy status. A lot of kbg's have said that "local" guys are easy bcuz its hard for us to say "no". Some kbg's avoid korean customers bcuz we locals are easier prey.
Just my $0.02, be safe bros and spend wisely.
Mahaloz.
New Heavy Chev
12-16-13, 23:26
I don't go KB any more. But before, I would go to D'amour to see Yujin. (This was a few years ago). Anyway, she brought her stale friend around one time. Yujin asked if I can buy her friend a drink. I replied, "I only can support one woman at a time". This made Yujin chuckle and her friend got denied in a way that made my boundary clear. It was like using conversational leverage instead of just dead lifting saying "No".
I like to say, "maybe next time". Just decline politely and keep the nice guy status. A lot of kbg's have said that "local" guys are easy bcuz its hard for us to say "no". Some kbg's avoid korean customers bcuz we locals are easier prey.
Just my $0.02, be safe bros and spend wisely.
Mahaloz.Sometimes it should work but man some really aggressive ones won't take your no seriously and get the drink anyway. They think your no will become a yes after they get their drink. They want to put you in a position where you'll eventually just buy it already.
"Awww shit, she got the drink already. Oh well, I guess I'll just get her one"
Sometimes it should work but man some really aggressive ones won't take your no seriously and get the drink anyway. They think your no will become a yes after they get their drink. They want to put you in a position where you'll eventually just buy it already.
"Awww shit, she got the drink already. Oh well, I guess I'll just get her one"I just sit there when they bring their drink. When they ask for money, I tell them I didn't offer so they have to pay for it themselves. Tough shit. Some of them sit and pout expecting me to give in, but I don't. Others will take the drink back and try to get their money back.
TrueTemper
12-19-13, 15:05
Letting all you KBG's out there know, the soft sell works. Soft sell meaning talking stories and acting like you interested in the conversation without asking for the neko.
That put alot of pressure on the customers especially me. In kalihi I was intenting to sit on the bar doing NEON but the soft sell got me. Eh you kapiolani girls.
Should try this it works.
Letting all you KBG's out there know, the soft sell works. Soft sell meaning talking stories and acting like you interested in the conversation without asking for the neko.
That put alot of pressure on the customers especially me. In kalihi I was intenting to sit on the bar doing NEON but the soft sell got me. Eh you kapiolani girls.
Should try this it works.What bars in Kalihi did you go? I don't know about "soft sell" girls but a lot of KBGs in kalihi had many years practising thier neko lines. PM who you Sat. With as maybe I might know who that.
Letting all you KBG's out there know, the soft sell works. Soft sell meaning talking stories and acting like you interested in the conversation without asking for the neko.
That put alot of pressure on the customers especially me. In kalihi I was intenting to sit on the bar doing NEON but the soft sell got me. Eh you kapiolani girls.
Should try this it works.I think the soft sell approach is only viable for a minority of Kalihi KBG's, those who have good social skills and a good command of english. Most of them are, as they say, "boring", they've lost interest in their jobs and just don't make an effort to drum up business. Gambling machines and smart phone playing are more to their appeal. Their loss. Mongers' loss. Lose-Lose not a good business model.
TrueTemper
12-21-13, 01:59
I think the soft sell approach is only viable for a minority of Kalihi KBG's, those who have good social skills and a good command of english. Most of them are, as they say, "boring", they've lost interest in their jobs and just don't make an effort to drum up business. Gambling machines and smart phone playing are more to their appeal. Their loss. Mongers' loss. Lose-Lose not a good business model.Yep so true. Speaking of, How are you doing Stay True it's about that time when we see " Come and see the new and pretty girls at Damour". I will be the first.
In line when I see your post. Happy Holidays Guys.
I like to say, "maybe next time". Just decline politely and keep the nice guy status. A lot of kbg's have said that "local" guys are easy bcuz its hard for us to say "no". Some kbg's avoid korean customers bcuz we locals are easier prey.
Just my $0.02, be safe bros and spend wisely.
Mahaloz.I used that line recently but didn't work for me. I guess you need to be more forceful with some KBGs.
I wonder if I brought my own booze I can just give Kbg & just give her money.
I wonder if I brought my own booze I can just give Kbg & just give her money.LOL, you funny Pap bro. Yes, you could do that with the right KBG, BUT if you chose the RIGHT girl in the first place, no need bring your own booze or give her money. Choose the one that will help you save money by her drinking slow. Oldee #1 rule, choose wisely or not at all.
I wonder if I brought my own booze I can just give Kbg & just give her money.When you have a good business relationship with the kind of girl who would do it, you can just slide her money and she will stay. IMHO it is much more effficient (like getting more mileage) than her getting drinks and splitting the 20 with the bar, and your 'session' will last much longer.
Girls who play their cards right stand to make exceptional income because the customer will see her more frequently and bring more cash. It is a balancing act because of course, mamas do not like that and there could be consequences for her.
IMHO if you do connect in such a way, it would be best to not post her name in the open Forum.
Good luck,
H M
Choose the one that will help you save money by her drinking slow. Oldee #1 rule, choose wisely or not at all.You know Oldee, that's the ones that they don't really care to buy drinks for.
"Nah, I no like that one. She not hot looking enough where it's worth buying her LD. I rather buy the hotter looking one that turns me on and excites me. I'll take my chances with that one even if she does ask for alot of drinks".
I guess it's like how some guys chance it with a pretty / young provider at an AMP. Her service level might not be as good and have an attitude but, they so turned on that they willing to take that chance just to find out. They can try the nicer / friendlier one who's likelier to give better service but, they not turned on and attracted to her looks to want to bother.
You know Oldee, that's the ones that they don't really care to buy drinks for.
"Nah, I no like that one. She not hot looking enough where it's worth buying her LD. I rather buy the hotter looking one that turns me on and excites me. I'll take my chances with that one even if she does ask for alot of drinks".
I guess it's like how some guys chance it with a pretty / young provider at an AMP. Her service level might not be as good and have an attitude but, they so turned on that they willing to take that chance just to find out. They can try the nicer / friendlier one who's likelier to give better service but, they not turned on and attracted to her looks to want to bother.Yeah, that is true but not all the hotties drink fast which is why we are always in search of the "good ones". Admittedly, rare, but there a few here and there. Also, some KBGs drink fast with LVBs but not others. LVB lurkers, take note of this fact as its you guys who 90% of fast drinking KBGs sit with.
some KBGs drink fast with LVBs but not others. LVB lurkers, take note of this fact as its you guys who 90% of fast drinking KBGs sit with.They put themselves in that position where the pretty BG would drink fast and ask for drinks because she knows that she can and that customer (s) would keep buying.
Hot BG: "I bet I can get this guy to buy me easy 10 drinks in 1 hour. He obviously looks like the type that would. Pffft...I knew it!
I guess when someone displays that he is all excited, it makes it more obvious to the pretty BG that he desires her. He's showing all the signs for her to want to take advantage of him.
Even the hot AMP girl who see certain customers. When she notices how anxious / excited a customer is, she doesn't need to offer certain things on the menu and give really good service because he seems so excited just to see her.
Yeah, that is true but not all the hotties drink fast which is why we are always in search of the "good ones". Admittedly, rare, but there a few here and there. Also, some KBGs drink fast with LVBs but not others. LVB lurkers, take note of this fact as its you guys who 90% of fast drinking KBGs sit with.Just out of curiosity. Do the guys whose label as LVB, Knows that they are being taken advantage of? Because I know for a fact when you're in deep your blind as f*k.
Just out of curiosity. Do the guys whose label as LVB, Knows that they are being taken advantage of? Because I know for a fact when you're in deep your blind as f*k.I'm pretty sure I know I'm a LVb, Hahaha.
Just out of curiosity. Do the guys whose label as LVB, Knows that they are being taken advantage of? Because I know for a fact when you're in deep your blind as f*k.IMHO, it is no different than in the civilian world where some do and some don't. At KBs, there is probably a higher petcentage that don't know but many LVBs do but continue being LVB anyway. They HOPE to change thier DKBG or don't care as long as they can live the fantasy. BTW, there is no shame in being a LVB, it just means you are human. Its normal to let the heart rule over the head even tho it should be the other way around when it comes to KBGs. Most LVBs are nice guys which is the group most prone to get LVBitis. KBs could not exist without LVBs and I'm grateful to them. BTW, Aloha KB T shirt Fashions has a new line for 2014 starting with "LVBs RULE" in high class polo.
SlappinBellies
12-28-13, 02:50
Just out of curiosity. Do the guys whose label as LVB, Knows that they are being taken advantage of? Because I know for a fact when you're in deep your blind as f*k.There's a LVB in all of us. Some girls are just that fine and charming. Its my money I'll spend as I like. I'm in my mid 50's and I have this young 21 yr old that works over at LZ. As long as I can see her youthful ass go up and down she can have all my money.
I'm going to go out and make LVB tonight, so if any of you see me don't save me!
Haha{TCS. Ellipses} For real, if you do see me I will buy you a beer just save me from the ROB I'm with! Haven't been town for a while, where to start?
I'm going to go out and make LVB tonight, so if any of you see me don't save me!
Haha{TCS. Ellipses} For real, if you do see me I will buy you a beer just save me from the ROB I'm with! Haven't been town for a while, where to start?Every town bar will be busy except Damour and Casino. That Back Ally Bar on Sheridan is interesting with a few hot civies.
Every town bar will be busy except Damour and Casino. That Back Ally Bar on Sheridan is interesting with a few hot civies.Jamie's place?
I wish someone came to rescue me, cause I got into too much trouble and now a broke a $.
Every town bar will be busy except Damour and Casino. That Back Ally Bar on Sheridan is interesting with a few hot civies.Well bro did you remember the babe I was talking to in the front of that place when we were WALKING to Splash? I've been there a few times and YES there are some hotties that come BUT be informed most of them come with gangsta wanna be's, they make like they tuff & drive top tier cars (probably parent bought) BUT just be informed that they're protective of the babes they stay / dating with. Not trying to bust any balls, not my intent here, just want to make sure no one gets upset here.
No harm in just looking right? But, if they approach you to talk first, then more power to ya.
CG
Jamie's place?
I wish someone came to rescue me, cause I got into too much trouble and now a broke a $.I don't think theres any rescue for you Vapor. You know you're a LVB living out a fictional fantasy and you still chase it. "Sigh". Hope you got some play in the end.
TrueTemper
12-28-13, 15:24
Why is it that we grumble about the KB's but keep on going?
Why is it that we grumble about ROB's but know that the more that they drink the more money they make?
Why is it that when we want a KBG's point of view we kick them out?
Why is it that only guys get broken hearts and not even one KBG?
Why is it that all the girls have a stalker story?
I wear a 3 XXX custom made polo shirt. Thank you very much.
Why is it that we grumble about the KB's but keep on going?
Why is it that we grumble about ROB's but know that the more that they drink the more money they make?
Why is it that when we want a KBG's point of view we kick them out?
Why is it that only guys get broken hearts and not even one KBG?
Why is it that all the girls have a stalker story?
I wear a 3 XXX custom made polo shirt. Thank you very much.You are so right about everything.
Captin Crunch
12-28-13, 16:42
I don't think theres any rescue for you Vapor. You know you're a LVB living out a fictional fantasy and you still chase it. "Sigh". Hope you got some play in the end.He always ends up with the girl and gets play. Smooth the guy!
Every town bar will be busy except Damour and Casino. That Back Ally Bar on Sheridan is interesting with a few hot civies.You were right. Butterfly was also empty.
Twilight apparently got a platoon of young hearbreakers, and with that, an infusion of customers. One of the really petite girls had fake tits on display. It would be fantastic if they worked at Canal Bar and got trained by the old playladies there, but as it is the men can only admire their beauty. I was wondering if the Business girls went there instead of D Amour.
Even all the Sandy's Place girls were busy. There is also a Korean hostess there; that is very unusual.
I was surprised the new side of SP3 was deserted, as though something must have happened.
Agree with CG's assessment of that back alley bar. It doesn't seem like the girls are there to make money as much as to hang out with friends and punk-around on the sidewalk. There was an incident one night a while back and a number of cops had to come babysit.
That Back Ally Bar on Sheridan is interesting with a few hot civies.Is this the one across Shingon Mission and near Meadow Gold? This place use to be under the name Cafe Memory. It's not a KB but, more like a sports bar with darts, booths to sit in, a bar and a private Karauki room to sing. Young local people go there to hangout, drink, eat, sing and play darts. I dunno what's the name of that place now. It's like another Hibiscus type of bar like the one on Ward Avenue.
Is this the one across Shingon Mission and near Meadow Gold? This place use to be under the name Cafe Memory. It's not a KB but, more like a sports bar with darts, booths to sit in, a bar and a private Karauki room to sing. Young local people go there to hangout, drink, eat, sing and play darts. I dunno what's the name of that place now. It's like another Hibiscus type of bar like the one on Ward Avenue.Yes, as I said earlier, the name of the bar is "Back Ally Cafe". They actually have 1 or 2 more small Karauki rooms near the restrooms in the hallway. Its not really a kiddie bar as not all customers young. I seen bartender Jerry the golfer working there recently but don't know if he was just filling in for someone. I think its more similar to Pandora Cafe in that they have expensive sushi items on the menu. BTW, Hibiscus was a typical KB back in the day.
Yes, as I said earlier, the name of the bar is "Back Ally Cafe". They actually have 1 or 2 more small Karauki rooms near the restrooms in the hallway. Its not really a kiddie bar as not all customers young. I seen bartender Jerry the golfer working there recently but don't know if he was just filling in for someone. I think its more similar to Pandora Cafe in that they have expensive sushi items on the menu. BTW, Hibiscus was a typical KB back in the day.When you mentiined "Back Alley" I thought you were describing the location of the bar.
"You know that small bar in the back alley area?
Hehe.
Why is it that we grumble about the KB's but keep on going?
Why is it that we grumble about ROB's but know that the more that they drink the more money they make?
Why is it that when we want a KBG's point of view we kick them out?
Why is it that only guys get broken hearts and not even one KBG?
Why is it that all the girls have a stalker story?
I wear a 3 XXX custom made polo shirt. Thank you very much.Why #1. Not everyone grumbles about KBs especially when they have fun. Most of the grumblers don't go KBs anymore tired of playing the KB BS game and I don't blame them. Guys that know how to not get taken advantage of at KBs really enjoy themselves because KBs can be really good cheap safe entertainment in MANY ways. I don't complain, I give contructive critisism, LOL. LVBs that complain keep going because they just can't help themselves or enjoy being LVBs. Of course you shouldn't forget the 4 STUPID levels of KB goers. I am Level2 stupid myself.
Why #2. Not all guys kick out KBGs after listening to thier views or just recognize BS and wisely fire them. Personally, I like listening to KBG viewpoints most of which I disagree with BUT listening to chicks is one of the main secrets to scoring with them. Chicks just like guys to listen.
Why #3. Most KB customers are LVBs so naturally its mainly them who going get broken hearts as they are the chasers. KB tip. Chasers usually no catch thier targets. Learn the chasing without chasing game. There ARE some KBGs that like guys that no like them back and get broken heart but not too many. KBGs don't look for love at work, they look for money. They look for relationships with guys that don't go bar or guys that know the chase without chasing game.
Why #4. See #3 answer. LVBs sometimes turn into stalkers or there are other crazy regular stalkers who not LVBs but dangerous perverts. Men are the majority of KB customers so naturally they will encounter undisirable people from time to time.
As always, the above IMHO.
Why #1. Not everyone grumbles about KBs especially when they have fun. Most of the grumblers don't go KBs anymore tired of playing the KB BS game and I don't blame them. Guys that know how to not get taken advantage of at KBs really enjoy themselves because KBs can be really good cheap safe entertainment in MANY ways. I don't complain, I give contructive critisism, LOL. LVBs that complain keep going because they just can't help themselves or enjoy being LVBs. Of course you shouldn't forget the 4 STUPID levels of KB goers. I am Level2 stupid myself.
Why #2. Not all guys kick out KBGs after listening to thier views or just recognize BS and wisely fire them. Personally, I like listening to KBG viewpoints most of which I disagree with BUT listening to chicks is one of the main secrets to scoring with them. Chicks just like guys to listen.
Why #3. Most KB customers are LVBs so naturally its mainly them who going get broken hearts as they are the chasers. KB tip. Chasers usually no catch thier targets. Learn the chasing without chasing game. There ARE some KBGs that like guys that no like them back and get broken heart but not too many. KBGs don't look for love at work, they look for money. They look for relationships with guys that don't go bar or guys that know the chase without chasing game.
Why #4. See #3 answer. LVBs sometimes turn into stalkers or there are other crazy regular stalkers who not LVBs but dangerous perverts. Men are the majority of KB customers so naturally they will encounter undisirable people from time to time.
As always, the above IMHO.Sorry, missed the ROB Why. I don't grumble about ROBs as they don't rob me, I just point them out if anything. If you get robbed, 99% of the time you chose to. Many guys won't understand this but many KBGs will like and respect the guy more if they no how to say no. Still, guys saying yes is what keeps the bars alive so thanks LVBs.
He always ends up with the girl and gets play. Smooth the guy!Haha I'm only smooth when I have money, never seems to interest the KBGs when I no more $.
My king LVB friend picks me up and we hit couple of Kalihi bars (V3 and CS) busy busy! Headed to town (Bus & Splash) to meet some of his business friends. Friend was picking up tab and had girls coming and going, can't seem to remember their names{TCS. Ellipses} Somehow ended up in the room with couple bottles souju (on my tab) and I can't seem to remember who I sat with. Got stuck in stupid mode and then got a call from another KBG (must have had spies! To meet her. Stupidly walked over to Butts and then rest of the night was too hazy...
Sorry guys this report really sucks but learn from me, don't go into stupid mode.
Many guys won't understand this but many KBGs will like and respect the guy more if they no how to say no. Still, guys saying yes is what keeps the bars alive so thanks LVBs.I notice alot of guys when they don't want to buy a BG drink, they.
1. Ignore her by not acknowledging her, even though she's trying to talk to them. They do this so she gets the hint and leaves. If they do talk to her than it will display a sign to the BGs that they'll buy them drinks.
2. Acknowledge her (somewhat) but, don't look at her much and display a sign of disinterest in the way they talk to her. They think.
"Awww shit! She coming over to ask for a drink" *sigh*.
Then they start to talk to her in a unenthusiastic / not interested manner.
"Oh, I only here for a drink, eat pupus and watch the game".
3. Getup and just walk out of the bar.
I think when things like this occur (which it does) the BGS these days don't feel the urge to want to approach. Plus, they recognize the same customers in the bar that they'll not bother approaching. I bet the BGS view customers the same way where customers want to see new / different crop of BGS. The BGs want to approach new customers they haven't seen before.
BG: "Hey girls, couple of customers just walked in. Awww shit, it's those guys".
LOL.
I notice alot of guys when they don't want to buy a BG drink, they.
1. Ignore her by not acknowledging her, even though she's trying to talk to them. They do this so she gets the hint and leaves. If they do talk to her than it will display a sign to the BGs that they'll buy them drinks.
2. Acknowledge her (somewhat) but, don't look at her much and display a sign of disinterest in the way they talk to her. They think.
"Awww shit! She coming over to ask for a drink" *sigh*.
Then they start to talk to her in a unenthusiastic / not interested manner.
"Oh, I only here for a drink, eat pupus and watch the game".
3. Getup and just walk out of the bar.
I think when things like this occur (which it does) the BGS these days don't feel the urge to want to approach. Plus, they recognize the same customers in the bar that they'll not bother approaching. I bet the BGS view customers the same way where customers want to see new / different crop of BGS. The BGs want to approach new customers they haven't seen before.
BG: "Hey girls, couple of customers just walked in. Awww shit, it's those guys".
LOL.Come to think of it I've been told by a few girls the same thing about why they don't like to approach. Rejection goes with the territory though, and if they don't take it personally and keep plugging away, they could get much more business. Most guys hit a strip of bars and can't be buying drinks at all of them, so they need to choose wisely as Oldee says.
Regarding the "Awww shit" look, heh, I've been seeing that a lot lately, both to guys walking in as well as myself :).
Back in the day before I even thought about coming to bars, I remember being told that the way to get rid of the girl was to tell her "Beat it"; they didn't get offended and it was the clear message that a customer was seriously not interested and was what they understood. Back then they really were ROBs, because I was also told that a lot of the time they'd just pour the drink on the carpet right in front of you and ask for another.
Not sure but IMHO, most of the K girls don't even bother going up to customers. They wait for the mama or waiters (or the customer calls the girl) to bring the girl to the customer. You see it at most bars, the girls on on their phone texting or calling or playing games, not even looking up to see if a customer is interested. Then you have the see (Chinese) girls and viet girls that are hustlers and willing to go up to customers.
If I'm not interested in a girl I will tell her up front that I'm just relaxing and don't want company. Most of the time that is enough and the girl will go back to her seat. The hard time is when the mama brings a girl around but most of the time they will walk away when I tell them that I'm not interested. I only had a girl try to push herself on me once and a great while (usually in Kalihi), complaining that she will go away if I buy her a drink. I ignore the girl, only once did I tell the girl to take a hike but they usually get the message. Unlike others, I won't spend money just to chat with a girl unless she was interesting or I can play. No hot or young girls as I know no play (YMMV though, you may find a girl that likes you or you get lucky in time in a thousand).
BTW, I like going to the kb's because of want of a better place to go. Easy for me to just sit and watch the action and the girls going around. Most places the girls don't bother me although since it has been slow this year some girls do come up to me to chat and ask for a drink. SC's are slow, the girls don't take off their clothes unless you spend money on them. I'm not into the club scene and usually avoid places like LZ and Lush because of the younger crowd. I skip Michelle's (are they still open?) because when I went there they charged a cover and even though not busy the bouncer said that I wasn't dressed for the bar (I was in shorts, t shirt and slippers), never went back to the place again.
Come to think of it I've been told by a few girls the same thing about why they don't like to approach. Rejection goes with the territory though, and if they don't take it personally and keep plugging away, they could get much more business. Most guys hit a strip of bars and can't be buying drinks at all of them, so they need to choose wisely as Oldee says.
Regarding the "Awww shit" look, heh, I've been seeing that a lot lately, both to guys walking in as well as myself :).
Back in the day before I even thought about coming to bars, I remember being told that the way to get rid of the girl was to tell her "Beat it"; they didn't get offended and it was the clear message that a customer was seriously not interested and was what they understood. Back then they really were ROBs, because I was also told that a lot of the time they'd just pour the drink on the carpet right in front of you and ask for another.I heard that to from a few of the BGs especially the younger ones. Some customers can respond in a not so nice way if they do approach them.
"What? You like drink?
The BGs shouldn't take it personally because it's just drinks. They can't expect all customers to be in the mood to buy drinks. It's not like they are approaching a customer to ask him out. However, it does bother them on how some customers turn them down if they do approach. I liked it when some of the BGS in the past would come by and straight up ask.
"Hi! You want company?
She smiles, gets my attention and I can just decide whether to say yes or no. It doesn't waste her time trying to talk to me and she can move on. I actually think this is pretty good and effective because a customer won't get as annoyed. If he does say no, she should just walk away. Eventually she'll come across a customer who'll say yes. It can be annoying if she tries to hang around even though the customer said no. It's implying to the customer.
"I'm not giving up that easily. I'll sit here until you do get me a drink".
As far as the "Awww shit, it's him".
LOL. I notice that to from some BGs that see me. I guess some BGs are bothered when they observe. Too bad the BGS whom I have never sat with before don't approach. They assume things based on what they may have heard from other BGs or what they've seen and noticed. But, they don't really know how it will be.
I heard that to from a few of the BGs especially the younger ones. Some customers can respond in a not so nice way if they do approach them.
"What? You like drink?
The BGs shouldn't take it personally because it's just drinks. They can't expect all customers to be in the mood to buy drinks. It's not like they are approaching a customer to ask him out. However, it does bother them on how some customers turn them down if they do approach. I liked it when some of the BGS in the past would come by and straight up ask.
"Hi! You want company?
She smiles, gets my attention and I can just decide whether to say yes or no. It doesn't waste her time trying to talk to me and she can move on. I actually think this is pretty good and effective because a customer won't get as annoyed. If he does say no, she should just walk away. Eventually she'll come across a customer who'll say yes. It can be annoying if she tries to hang around even though the customer said no. It's implying to the customer.
"I'm not giving up that easily. I'll sit here until you do get me a drink".
As far as the "Awww shit, it's him".
LOL. I notice that to from some BGs that see me. I guess some BGs are bothered when they observe. Too bad the BGS whom I have never sat with before don't approach. They assume things based on what they may have heard from other BGs or what they've seen and noticed. But, they don't really know how it will be.It's been so long; I miss the days of being asked "You want company?", "You have patuna here?", or "I can sit with you?". I've asked the latter and been rejected like I was in a disco. It's not like I'm 'challasso' or anything. A lot of these girls nowadays are, though ;).
It's been so long; I miss the days of being asked "You want company?", "You have patuna here?", or "I can sit with you?". I've asked the latter and been rejected like I was in a disco. It's not like I'm 'challasso' or anything. A lot of these girls nowadays are, though ;).You will be approached by KBGs, LOL. Thanks Mobi and Uki for pointing it out as its something I don't think about it since I like to do the choosing, not the other way around. Yeah, its pretty much the young ones don't approach guys these days except for the older veteran less popular agressive ones. Its the mamas and lady managers these days that do the "assignments" of partnering the girls with customers in town. Having listened the many KBGs and what they think about this, many of them are just AFRAID of rejection. I have talked to KBGs about this subject and although some have learned, most don't until they get too old and now forced to do it or no make money. Then there are in in demand KBGs who wait for big fish spending LVBs turning down 20's because the 200's or more spending customers is who they are wanting to sit with. Therefore, don't take it personal guys. Also, I swear they can smell KB newbie, LVB, or generous spender as bros taking the AKBT get approached, especially when I leave to go restroom, LOL. I still waiting to take Mobi bro AKBT, even tho I don't recomend a lot of the hotties, you can sit with them for the discounted AKBT price of 1 beer.
From time to time, I get PMs from guys interested and curious in knowing what the KB game is about. Some of them are just new to mongering but many are vets from other venues like AMPs, SBs, etc. A lot of them think incorrectly that they will get robbed as soon as they step in the bar, LOL. Recently got 3 PMs from 3 guys so let me give you a blanket brief for Oldee but long for you explanation, LOL.
First, let me say KBs are BARS so its a place to drink if you do and even if you don't and drink non alcohol but just like to enjoy the atmosphere. The beer is cheaper than regular bars too. Its also a place to EAT. Ask Crazy Glue or the prince of D5, LOL. Some of the grindz is as good or better than fine dining without the fine dining prices! Free house pupus can be regular entree items or there are free buffets but you can also order off the menu like at any restaurant. I've had awesome grindz at Splash Tues. Weds daytime recently with food that rivals Alan Wong stuff. Tip for the food is up to you. There is watching sports or even ppv events like football or mma fights. There is KaraUki if you like to sing. There is video gambling machines if that's your thing. You can make it a place to just hang out and RELAX with your drinking buddies or even have private parties in the rooms. KBs are MANY things too many people and there are venues within venues unlike say AMPs.
Then there are what most guys go KBs for. The GIRLS! Most guys just window shop and watch the scenery, some go to chat with them, others go to play with them, LVBs go to court them, etc etc. You don't need to dress up and be sitting with a hottie dressed to the nines in evening gown while you in T shirt shorts and slippas, LOL. Speed dating without all the prepartion, LOL. Some of girls are as super hot as those Kpop singers and actresses. Just remember they don't screw of a living, they sell thier time to be with you. If you are a smooth handsome stud, you CAN get lucky and many do. MOST don't.
IF you can avoid all the trappings and landmines in the KBs, it can be great inexpensive fun. Unfortunately, guys are guys and most don't like to ask for directions so drive extra 500 miles for nothing, LOL. AKBT is me joking around but the guys who ever took it would say worth big bucks, LOL. As always, its Oldee IMHO. HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone and especially you KBGs.
You will be approached by KBGs, LOL.Nope; catch stink-eye in Kalihi too! That's why I rarely go; no need to take that from some hag. There are dozens of beauties in town I get to take it from :)
A few hostesses in town are friendly (to my wallet), though.
Bora is looking fantastic at Business. I haven't figured out how she gets those tight outfits on.............
It's been so long; I miss the days of being asked "You want company?", "You have patuna here?", or "I can sit with you?". I've asked the latter and been rejected like I was in a disco. It's not like I'm 'challasso' or anything. A lot of these girls nowadays are, though ;).What makes it exciting when a BG approaches is what will she say and do to get me to buy her a drink. This can be fun. Can she unleash the LVB mode in me to buy her a LD? It's interesting to watch BGS approach customers. When BGS just sit at the booth and just look, it makes the atmosphere dull and boring where the customers need to make it exciting. The way it is now, customers and BGs are separated.
BG: "Meh, I'm not going to approach you".
Customer: "Good! Sit there at the booth. Not like I want your company anyway".
Hehe.
BTW, I was confused by the Patuna word? It took me awhile until I realized you meant Pah-t Nah
What makes it exciting when a BG approaches is what will she say and do to get me to buy her a drink. This can be fun. Can she unleash the LVB mode in me to buy her a LD? It's interesting to watch BGS approach customers. When BGS just sit at the booth and just look, it makes the atmosphere dull and boring where the customers need to make it exciting. The way it is now, customers and BGs are separated.
BG: "Meh, I'm not going to approach you".
Customer: "Good! Sit there at the booth. Not like I want your company anyway".
Hehe.Yeah, I like them to try thier luck with me too. Its fun and there is no pressure felt on my part. Sometimes, they fall in my TRAP, and get sincerely interested in the conversation even tho they usually don't intend to with guys. THATs the opening bros, LOL. BTW, those snobs are the ones I wouldn't sit with anyway too Mobi bro and they snob me too. Also, if you go KBs regularly, KBGs know you! They may not have spoken a word to you or know your name, but they know you. They observe customers and also get info thru the Kim Chee wireless. They know your habits and what girls you like to sit with. I have a rep as being very picky for example, LOL. Why not, the neko for the pretty one same price as the ugly one right? LOL. Eh, Mobi, maybe that's why they give you stink eye, you get good taste, LOL. BTW, Splash hottie Ashley wants to sit with you. She wanted to sit with me knowing I ugly bald old short and fat so you no mo excuse, LOL.
What makes it exciting when a BG approaches is what will she say and do to get me to buy her a drink. This can be fun. Can she unleash the LVB mode in me to buy her a LD? It's interesting to watch BGS approach customers. When BGS just sit at the booth and just look, it makes the atmosphere dull and boring where the customers need to make it exciting. The way it is now, customers and BGs are separated.
BG: "Meh, I'm not going to approach you".
Customer: "Good! Sit there at the booth. Not like I want your company anyway".
Hehe.
BTW, I was confused by the Patuna word? It took me awhile until I realized you meant Pah-t NahHe-he! You should have a newspaper comic strip; you know, the 1 or 2 square kind.
Some girls said it in 2 syllables but most said "PAH-tu-Nah", at least to me anyway.
I remember how much fun it was to be undecided about buying that supposed first 'Good luck drink'. Some girls would take my hand and put it on their boob. Others would bust out a jug or two, then repeat the question. Worked almost every time!
This ALWAYS works. Recently, one of them even thanked me for not wasting her time. LOL. That is the the most honest thing I've heard from a KBG in a KB, EVER. Did I buy her a drink for her honesty? NEON.
This ALWAYS works. Recently, one of them even thanked me for not wasting her time. LOL. That is the the most honest thing I've heard from a KBG in a KB, EVER. Did I buy her a drink for her honesty? NEON.Haha, that's funny Pursuer bro. Nothing wrong with being NEON. I am often neon too. Enjoy your CHEAP beer, watch sports, enjoy the girl scenery, eat FREE hse pupus or full on buffet, chat with friends AND KBGs, sing KaraUki, all the while being NEON. Whats not to like? This is why I no go local bars. If you no go KBs and go regular bars because sked being bothered by the girls, you really missing out alot.
Captin Crunch
01-01-14, 20:35
Haha, that's funny Pursuer bro. Nothing wrong with being NEON. I am often neon too. Enjoy your CHEAP beer, watch sports, enjoy the girl scenery, eat FREE hse pupus or full on buffet, chat with friends AND KBGs, sing KaraUki, all the while being NEON. Whats not to like? This is why I no go local bars. If you no go KBs and go regular bars because sked being bothered by the girls, you really missing out alot.I only buy when the girls don't ask And I want to try to get play. Checked out Yong at Star Lite last night.
Yes, that's her. As JR said, some of the 904 staff moved to that bar. I like Julie as she is nice. Yes she play even when not drunk sometimes. However, if it matters to you, she does have a boyfriend or husband, don't know which. Also, depending on your definition of play, its mostly kissing and tittie action when she does AFAIK and YMMV.Just wondering what other mongers definition of "play" is at KB / VB / SC are. I looked up in the abbreviations, but no definition. My opinion would be at the very least tittie play, but really at least direct touching of your and / or her privates? I wouldn't really consider anything else any worthwhile "play".
Am I thinking right or is there a general concensus?
Captin Crunch
01-02-14, 02:23
Just wondering what other mongers definition of "play" is at KB / VB / SC are. I looked up in the abbreviations, but no definition. My opinion would be at the very least tittie play, but really at least direct touching of your and / or her privates? I wouldn't really consider anything else any worthwhile "play".
Am I thinking right or is there a general concensus?Skin to Skin.
Just wondering what other mongers definition of "play" is at KB / VB / SC are. I looked up in the abbreviations, but no definition. My opinion would be at the very least tittie play, but really at least direct touching of your and / or her privates? I wouldn't really consider anything else any worthwhile "play".
Am I thinking right or is there a general concensus?Something better be getting wet, weather it's me or her. Lap dances don't count as play, they are just good entertainment.
WraithOfGod
01-02-14, 10:21
Just wondering what other mongers definition of "play" is at KB / VB / SC are. I looked up in the abbreviations, but no definition. My opinion would be at the very least tittie play, but really at least direct touching of your and / or her privates? I wouldn't really consider anything else any worthwhile "play".
Am I thinking right or is there a general concensus?For me, "play" is anything beyond teasing. So, lap dances (if done right), groping, and obviously HJs, BJs and beyond. I have set rules for each. I won't pay more than $40 for a dance, $60 for heavy petting, or $80 for HJs ad BJs (I'll go a little higher for FS). As you can imagine, I don't get much bar action at those rates.
Just wondering what other mongers definition of "play" is at KB / VB / SC are. I looked up in the abbreviations, but no definition. My opinion would be at the very least tittie play, but really at least direct touching of your and / or her privates? I wouldn't really consider anything else any worthwhile "play".
Am I thinking right or is there a general concensus?What about playing mind games? That count? Hehe. Funny hearing a group of guys nearby getting all perv and blunt with one of the ROB BGs. I guess that's their way of having fun if she's expecting drinks. If not, what is she going to do?
What about playing mind games? That count? Hehe. Funny hearing a group of guys nearby getting all perv and blunt with one of the ROB BGs. I guess that's their way of having fun if she's expecting drinks. If not, what is she going to do?If mind games count, I play with most KBGs, LOL. I think play is different for everyone but I'm guessing most guys definition of play start with tittie play and beyond. I guess for some its kissing and others not until FIV so its a teho thing. For LVBs, its holding hands, LOL.
For me, "play" is anything beyond teasing. So, lap dances (if done right), groping, and obviously HJs, BJs and beyond. I have set rules for each. I won't pay more than $40 for a dance, $60 for heavy petting, or $80 for HJs ad BJs (I'll go a little higher for FS). As you can imagine, I don't get much bar action at those rates.Good to see you still alive bro. Are you going to have a AMP FM in 2014?
WraithOfGod
01-03-14, 10:15
Good to see you still alive bro. Are you going to have a AMP FM in 2014?Yeah, either this month or next.
When guys go into the room is that guarantee play? Or it depends on the girl.
For LVBs, its holding hands, LOL.Oldee, I was wondering, when you write stuff like this, I wonder how many readers thinking this.
"That fricken guy, nothing wrong with holding hands and be LVB sometimes. LVB this LVB that. Sheesh!
What do you think?
Oldee, I was wondering, when you write stuff like this, I wonder how many readers thinking this.
"That fricken guy, nothing wrong with holding hands and be LVB sometimes. LVB this LVB that. Sheesh!
What do you think?LOL, I suppose LVBs not happy but deep down, most LVBs know the truth of which I speak. Thats why most LVBs never post, YET most KB customers are LVBs which I find interesting. Actually, I think its more the KBG readers that do not like to read about LVBs more than LVBs for obvious business reasons. Do not forget I am and has always been on the side of LVBs. Most non LVB guys think less of LVBs and don't care about them but I do. Well, at least the ones I know in person, hehe. BTW, its ok to be LVB IF you know you being LVB. Its the ones who don't know that need the most help. BTW, if you're called LVB and deny it, you probably are, LOL. If you call me a LVB, I will laugh and agree with you. After all, mankind would not exist without LVBs. Think about it. LOL. Neither would KBs.
TrueTemper
01-03-14, 18:05
Oldee, I was wondering, when you write stuff like this, I wonder how many readers thinking this.
"That fricken guy, nothing wrong with holding hands and be LVB sometimes. LVB this LVB that. Sheesh!
What do you think?Why is it that LVB has a bad connotion? Hey girls I am a LVB PM me. Eh Oldee I forgot Ashley forum name you still got them. Just kidding.
LOL, I suppose LVBs not happy but deep down, most LVBs know the truth of which I speak. Thats why most LVBs never post, YET most KB customers are LVBs which I find interesting. Actually, I think its more the KBG readers that do not like to read about LVBs more than LVBs for obvious business reasons. Do not forget I am and has always been on the side of LVBs. Most non LVB guys think less of LVBs and don't care about them but I do. Well, at least the ones I know in person, hehe. BTW, its ok to be LVB IF you know you being LVB. Its the ones who don't know that need the most help. BTW, if you're called LVB and deny it, you probably are, LOL. If you call me a LVB, I will laugh and agree with you. After all, mankind would not exist without LVBs. Think about it. LOL. Neither would KBs.I agree totally. I know guys read forum & report to Kbg.
TrueTemper
01-03-14, 18:10
Why is it that LVB has a bad connotion? Hey girls I am a LVB PM me. Eh Oldee I forgot Ashley forum name you still got them. Just kidding.Connotation again public school had to look up the word. HeHe!!
LOL, I suppose LVBs not happy but deep down, most LVBs know the truth of which I speak. Thats why most LVBs never post, YET most KB customers are LVBs which I find interesting. Actually, I think its more the KBG readers that do not like to read about LVBs more than LVBs for obvious business reasons. Do not forget I am and has always been on the side of LVBs. Most non LVB guys think less of LVBs and don't care about them but I do. Well, at least the ones I know in person, hehe. BTW, its ok to be LVB IF you know you being LVB. Its the ones who don't know that need the most help. BTW, if you're called LVB and deny it, you probably are, LOL. If you call me a LVB, I will laugh and agree with you. After all, mankind would not exist without LVBs. Think about it. LOL. Neither would KBs.Hello I'm Shipshape and I'm a Loverboy (aka LVB). Yup I constantly need to remind myself that its all a game. KBG's want as much money as they can get out of you and you want as much play (whatever your play is) as you can get out of them. The major trick is to remember that it is all about money. I do indeed fall off the wagon on occasion, but, for the most part control the spending (unlike yesteryear). Where guys can get into trouble is when they actually are hurting their normal life because of the fantasy world of KB's.
I've had minor success with "take out" through the years at KB's but when I think about it, the KBG's are way ahead of the game. There is an occasional KBG that will reciprocate for money spent but they are becoming rare probably due to my age and also due to the "give back" attitude significantly eroding with the girls. Before, a KBG culturally was predisposed to "give back". Now. A. days they feel more entitled.
How to control loverboyitis? Keep a running tab for your expenditures. I will remind myself "do I want to spend $200/$300 this weekend or do I want to save up and hit Vegas". Plus remember you can never outspend those guys you see who are ALWAYS buying drinks for your favorite KBG. Interestingly, those hard core lvb's actually do think the KBG's actually hangs with them cause they're all that. I am glad we have regular big spending loverboys. They subsidize the game. I know a few of the big spending lvb's that are actually living off hard working parents inheritance. Yup, mom and dad left 'them big bucks and they honor that inheritance by dropping the bucks in KB's. Well I have my opinion but to each his own. So to all of those lvb's thank you for helping to keep the remaining KB's open in 2014. Spend, spend, spend the money. To the working guy lvb, keep a tally, see how much you spend in a month, write it down and carry that tally in your wallet. Is it worth it?
Just random thoughts. Happy New Year to all.
Ss.
Why is it that LVB has a bad connotion? Hey girls I am a LVB PM me. Eh Oldee I forgot Ashley forum name you still got them. Just kidding.Her inbox is full and I haven't traded PMs with her ever since I made the mistake of telling a few bros what her forum name was. She probably mad at me for that. Sorry Ashley. Of course it could be her LVB protectors "advising" her not to communicate with forum members, hehe. I know she wants to meet Mobi and M69 tho, haha. Nice girl that now specializes in catering to old futs (not this old fut) because they harmless and spend. Happy New Year Ashley!
When guys go into the room is that guarantee play? Or it depends on the girl.Most times, guys that go room no get play or at most only teasing action. Yes, depends on WHICH girl (s) you chose but the main thing to know is that the room is expensive and most room customers spend too much for what they get EVEN IF they do get play. A secluded booth or takeout is a much better option imo. Also, pay as you go is the preferred payment option too. Of course you can always of opt for AKBT, LOL. If you real desparate, go Canal, Blue Sea, or VB but your best bet is probably AMP. As a caveat to the above, this does not apply to guys that hate money and rich.
Why is it that LVB has a bad connotation?.The LVB term is not exactly a term that most guys would be proud of because it's on the mushy / soft side.
"You lover boy ah?
"No I'm not".
"No lie, I seen you holding hands with a BG in the booth. You look like you in love dude".
"So what if I am, what's it to you?
"Dude, I was just asking. No need to get all defensive".
Most guys don't like to openly express / display the soft side of themselves with other men because they feel they'll be picked on and be laughed at if they did.
I agree totally. I know guys read forum & report to Kbg.The KBGs read it themselves. Cause the LVBs told them about this site{TCS. Ellipses}.
Most times, guys that go room no get play or at most only teasing action. Yes, depends on WHICH girl (s) you chose but the main thing to know is that the room is expensive and most room customers spend too much for what they get EVEN IF they do get play. A secluded booth or takeout is a much better option imo. Also, pay as you go is the preferred payment option too. Of course you can always of opt for AKBT, LOL. If you real desparate, go Canal, Blue Sea, or VB but your best bet is probably AMP. As a caveat to the above, this does not apply to guys that hate money and rich.Always negotiate before you go room! Like any other transaction, know what you getting for your money. If you are going to the room know what you getting into, sometimes I go the room as a group with other friends and buy girls drinks just as if we in a booth{TCS. Ellipses} Well kind of, we expect a little more action I.e. Boobs, tops off, lap dances (the girls, not us. LOL) If you go yourself make sure your going to get what you negotiate for since it is a pay upfront system and hard to tell mama I want my money back cause the girl never _ (fill in blank). She may tell you go F yourself then! Haha.
Most times, guys that go room no get play or at most only teasing action. Yes, depends on WHICH girl (s) you chose but the main thing to know is that the room is expensive and most room customers spend too much for what they get EVEN IF they do get play. A secluded booth or takeout is a much better option imo. Also, pay as you go is the preferred payment option too. Of course you can always of opt for AKBT, LOL. If you real desparate, go Canal, Blue Sea, or VB but your best bet is probably AMP. As a caveat to the above, this does not apply to guys that hate money and rich.If you go Canal or VB you can get most of your play in the booth, fiv, boob play, BJ, etc{TCS. Ellipses}.
The LVB term is not exactly a term that most guys would be proud of because it's on the mushy / soft side.
"You lover boy ah?
"No I'm not".
"No lie, I seen you holding hands with a BG in the booth. You look like you in love dude".
"So what if I am, what's it to you?
"Dude, I was just asking. No need to get all defensive".
Most guys don't like to openly express / display the soft side of themselves with other men because they feel they'll be picked on and be laughed at if they did.Mobi is right, you should have a KB comic section in the paper, LOL. I think LVBs shame being called LVB because even LVBs know almost all KBGs only like them as much as the amount of money LVBs spend on them and not anymore. In the civilian world, I was proud to be called a LVB. Remember the phrase " I'm a lover, not a fighter"? As far as showing your soft side, if you don't, I would bet you not that good with scoring with chicks so no shame in that. Imo, the only LVBs offended by being called a LVB are the ones with no confidence in themselves not to mention the "fantasy relationship" they may have with thier DKBG. Half the self proclaimed LVBs here are just guys who enjoy the chase game and not true LVBs. They just want a good time playing the chase game, even if no sex. True LVBs hate Oldee for pointing out what they don't want to see and hear. And what is that? REALITY, otherwise known as the truth.
If you go Canal or VB you can get most of your play in the booth, fiv, boob play, BJ, etc{TCS. Ellipses}.What does {TCS. Ellipses} mean? I know I not up to date with the latest "cool" talk etc so forgive me for being stupid. I bet I not the only one don't know, haha.
What does {TCS. Ellipses} mean? I know I not up to date with the latest "cool" talk etc so forgive me for being stupid. I bet I not the only one don't know, haha.Oldee, basically what's happening is when someone writes a sentence ending with a dot, dot, dot or period, period, period at the end, instead of showing the 3 dots / period, the (TCS Ellipses) shows up instead.
Oldee, basically what's happening is when someone writes a sentence ending with a dot, dot, dot or period, period, period at the end, instead of showing the 3 dots / period, the (TCS Ellipses) shows up instead.Thanks Uki bro. Ah, so its a software thing then? {TCS. Ellipses}.
Thanks Uki bro. Ah, so its a software thing then? {TCS. Ellipses}.Yeah it is. Try it.
Try type sigh with 3 periods at the end. The TCS Ellipses shows up if you do a preview report.
Yeah it is. Try it.
Try type sigh with 3 periods at the end. The TCS Ellipses shows up if you do a preview report.That can be corrected if you edit your report shortly after posting it...
That can be corrected if you edit your report shortly after posting it...Thanks guys. Actually I did the 3 dot thing in the other post and that's why had the TCS Ellipses at the end. Now I know so it doesn't bother me, kind of cool actually, haha.
So I was just speculating what a KBG costs vs an AMP Girl. There are a bunch of variables. Age has something to do with it, looks, frequency, etc. I'm thinking that on average a KBG costs around 2 dollars a minute. What you get covers a wide spectrum with Kalihi being a bit more "playful" than Kapiolani. This may be because Kalihi guys (that is guys who go to Kalihi bars not only the ones who live there) have a different level of expectation than Kapiolani guys. Can't speak about Pearl City too much but I would guess it is more Kalihi-ish. For example, sit with Yujin or Julie at Splash and you'll drop an easy 120 per hour to get Mr. Happy held on to. Drop the same at Cheers and Michelle will give you a blowjob. (drop that amount at Canal Bar and those "ladies" will do anything). I should mention, I'm on the wrong side of 50 so for the younger guys it will no doubt be different. Hit Eclipse and sit with Yuri, try K-Style for some play with the MS or whomever and see how it goes, or how about Sunny at Vegas III. Then try to get the same for the same cash outlay along Kapiolani. Of course a trip over to Misty's gets you a back booth for 100, but, then jump over next door and the same doubles in price. Now I do realize that you must acquire a no-taste attitude before spanning the globe from Pearl City to Kaimuki, but it is just a little interesting to see the price / service fluctuation. I'd be curious if my cost / service experience is similar with the above 50 crowd. Economics has made me cut back a lot lately so the best bang for the buck seems to be AMPs.
Ss.
Captin Crunch
01-20-14, 03:36
So I was just speculating what a KBG costs vs an AMP Girl. There are a bunch of variables. Age has something to do with it, looks, frequency, etc. I'm thinking that on average a KBG costs around 2 dollars a minute. What you get covers a wide spectrum with Kalihi being a bit more "playful" than Kapiolani. This may be because Kalihi guys (that is guys who go to Kalihi bars not only the ones who live there) have a different level of expectation than Kapiolani guys. Can't speak about Pearl City too much but I would guess it is more Kalihi-ish. For example, sit with Yujin or Julie at Splash and you'll drop an easy 120 per hour to get Mr. Happy held on to. Drop the same at Cheers and Michelle will give you a blowjob. (drop that amount at Canal Bar and those "ladies" will do anything). I should mention, I'm on the wrong side of 50 so for the younger guys it will no doubt be different. Hit Eclipse and sit with Yuri, try K-Style for some play with the MS or whomever and see how it goes, or how about Sunny at Vegas III. Then try to get the same for the same cash outlay along Kapiolani. Of course a trip over to Misty's gets you a back booth for 100, but, then jump over next door and the same doubles in price. Now I do realize that you must acquire a no-taste attitude before spanning the globe from Pearl City to Kaimuki, but it is just a little interesting to see the price / service fluctuation. I'd be curious if my cost / service experience is similar with the above 50 crowd. Economics has made me cut back a lot lately so the best bang for the buck seems to be AMPs.
Ss.The mama at k-style plays?
The mama at k-style plays?I got to preface this with YMMV. The mama at K-style used to be a bartender at Jasmine and before that a mama at another KB. I've known her a long time and have bought plenty drinkees. What is play to you? FS=nope never got it from her or any of the other KBG's mentioned. However, you win the prize for noticing that I was naming names both for comparative experiences and for making the point about Kalihi vs Kapiolani. Just a personal observation / experience is all. With a broad brush I would paint Kalihi girls as double service (for the same dollar spent) vs Kapiolani girls. Of course, the hotness factor really cools off when in Kalihi (with a few exceptions). If you like KBG's in their twenties, stay Kapiolani. The VBGs vary as well but are much more centralized to Kapiolani. FYI play to me is at minimum free-range hands by both KBG and customer. I'm pretty much out of the business of prospecting. I kind of decide what I want for the evening and then go purchase it. That may just be enjoying the eye-candy or any level beyond that. Pretty much a (as Oldee would say) level two stupit kind of guy. Sometimes the beers tell me to go for a trifecta (minimum of three different ladies holding Mr. Happy in an evening). Pretty stupit but that's me LOL.
Ss.
The mama at k-style plays?How is Kalihi CC2? I'm waiting for your first KB report of your experience at a KB in 2014 other than questions or you going drink somewhere, hehe.
So I was just speculating what a KBG costs vs an AMP Girl. There are a bunch of variables. Age has something to do with it, looks, frequency, etc. I'm thinking that on average a KBG costs around 2 dollars a minute. What you get covers a wide spectrum with Kalihi being a bit more "playful" than Kapiolani. This may be because Kalihi guys (that is guys who go to Kalihi bars not only the ones who live there) have a different level of expectation than Kapiolani guys. Can't speak about Pearl City too much but I would guess it is more Kalihi-ish. For example, sit with Yujin or Julie at Splash and you'll drop an easy 120 per hour to get Mr. Happy held on to. Drop the same at Cheers and Michelle will give you a blowjob. (drop that amount at Canal Bar and those "ladies" will do anything). I should mention, I'm on the wrong side of 50 so for the younger guys it will no doubt be different. Hit Eclipse and sit with Yuri, try K-Style for some play with the MS or whomever and see how it goes, or how about Sunny at Vegas III. Then try to get the same for the same cash outlay along Kapiolani. Of course a trip over to Misty's gets you a back booth for 100, but, then jump over next door and the same doubles in price. Now I do realize that you must acquire a no-taste attitude before spanning the globe from Pearl City to Kaimuki, but it is just a little interesting to see the price / service fluctuation. I'd be curious if my cost / service experience is similar with the above 50 crowd. Economics has made me cut back a lot lately so the best bang for the buck seems to be AMPs.
Ss.As always, very informative and useful info bro. Oldee can see all the lurkers checking out those "girls" LOL. Anyhow, being a fellow old fut, those prices for those girls and places pretty much apply to me too except I don't usually choose the known and garans playgirls. I Iike the chase game more than the play game altho play is how I keep score in the chase game, LOL. I try to get play with the 30 somethings or early 40's girls that are LVB specialists normally so jr not held that often like yours. BTW, Yujin and Julie at Splash will play for less than your prices on slow nights if you also know how to reverse tease, LOL. When jr does get happy, its at Kalihi prices or less for town girls but its much less success rates. AKBT guys have gotten those prices too, hehe. YMMV is the rule for KBs. I still think the best bang for the buck is "usually" AMPs if FS is your objective tho. When I lazy and no like play the chase game, I will sometimes partake of those types you mentioned but not often. I suspect I will be more and more like you soon tho, LOL.
I find it funny that in Kalihi I may get more time per $ but I don't get distance per time when compared to Kapiolani. Granted I don't venture into Canal (unless really plastered and don't give a crap) or Misty's. Maybe it's because I chase the town girls a little more as they are a little more desirable... Ok a lot more (well youthful at least)! Kalihi kbgs easier and less restriction to get started but harder to seal the deal. Town slower to get started but once started easier to get the finish line. Just my opinion.. It's like dating- you got the fun ones and then there's the ones you have a relationship with.
BeerAddict
01-20-14, 23:56
BTW, Yujin and Julie at Splash will play for less than your prices on slow nights if you also know how to reverse tease, LOL.One of my drinking buddies gets frequent HJ's in the corner booth from Yujin for one drink and $. When I say frequent, it's like a weekly thing for those two. He says her hands are better than some AMP girls and he likes the thrill of getting possibly caught. Ah, to be young like he is. When you old fut like me, those things no matter. LOL.
Just an observation. Ever notice how AMP reports are very specific as to what kind of play was had and always (well most always) names the provider? KBG reports on the other hand generally will not report name nor costs involved. For that matter they rarely include specific play. I would speculate as to why but I'd probably be wrong. To each his own but wouldn't it be more helpful if we all named names, provided cost of service, and what exactly was to be had (taking into account the old YMMV). Just thinking out loud is all.
Now again its only an old guys opinion, but, I pretty much don't care if you are on some bar tour tonight UNLESS you report on KBG particulars. Nope don't want to hear about which guy is the best singer (we all know its that Michael Jackson guy LOL). Who is more handsome? Who cares is all I can say. But, I know I'm probably a minority so nevermind, its just a small kine rant. (Thank you doctor, I feel better now) Thinking the KBGs would hate having actual reports anyways as their myriad of games would be exposed some what.
Ss.
I wonder I've been taking out Kbg to lunch several times & never got sex yet. At what point shouldI move on. I know some guys just keep going out, because they like to have a companion. Me I like more.
Idusixtyning
01-21-14, 23:38
Just an observation. Ever notice how AMP reports are very specific as to what kind of play was had and always (well most always) names the provider? KBG reports on the other hand generally will not report name nor costs involved. For that matter they rarely include specific play. I would speculate as to why but I'd probably be wrong. To each his own but wouldn't it be more helpful if we all named names, provided cost of service, and what exactly was to be had (taking into account the old YMMV). Just thinking out loud is all.
Now again its only an old guys opinion, but, I pretty much don't care if you are on some bar tour tonight UNLESS you report on KBG particulars. Nope don't want to hear about which guy is the best singer (we all know its that Michael Jackson guy LOL). Who is more handsome? Who cares is all I can say. But, I know I'm probably a minority so nevermind, its just a small kine rant. (Thank you doctor, I feel better now) Thinking the KBGs would hate having actual reports anyways as their myriad of games would be exposed some what.
Ss.Yeah, I'm confused why two KB threads exist on this website. I mean this website is USA SEX Guide. I only see mention of sex and play in only about 1% of the posts in the KB threads. Seems mostly about drinking and looking at eye candy and spending as little money as possible on the girls. And no sex.
Yeah, I'm confused why two KB threads exist on this website. I mean this website is USA SEX Guide. I only see mention of sex and play in only about 1% of the posts in the KB threads. Seems mostly about drinking and looking at eye candy and spending as little money as possible on the girls. And no sex.The AMP threads and associated reports are like guys reviewing thier meal of FISH (sex) at a seafood restaurant. Prices are listed on the menu and L / A / S reviews apply. After all, isn't AMPs brothels with prostitutes? BTW, I think AMPs are great. Korean and other hostess bars are like places guys like to go FISHing (sex) for the fish that they eat. The bars are drinking places with HOSTESSES and what's on the menu is usually not listed (except Canal and Bsea). Guys that don't like fishing and have no patience for it probably would be more happy buying thier or fish at Tamashiro's or at Alan Wongs. I don't blame them. Takes patience to fish and "game" to start KB fishing not to mention money. It is primarily a YMMV venue unlike AMPs. Still many guys enjoy fishing, even when they don't catch fish. This thread was created to help guys enjoy the hobby of fishing more and catch more fish. I know some guys fustrated that TT no like tell where his favorite ulua spot is but he had to go fishing long time to find it and just like share with other fisherman who will trade fishing spots. Guys expecting the KB reports to be like AMP reports will be fustrated because its just not the same venue although the objective is the SAME (sex). Also, there are other venues within the KB experience itself besides sex being its a DRINKING and social entertainment venue. Ultimately, this thread was for KB goers and contributors and unlike the many AMP threads, there are just 2 even though there are probably more KB mongers than AMP mongers. Its just that most KB goers are lurkers.
I wonder I've been taking out Kbg to lunch several times & never got sex yet. At what point shouldI move on. I know some guys just keep going out, because they like to have a companion. Me I like more.I would tell her what you want. Simple as that. If no then choose another KBG. MOST KBGs that go lunch or dinner with guys just want free lunch. I realize shame to ask for some guys but nothing to lose. Like me ask for you? LOL.
Just an observation. Ever notice how AMP reports are very specific as to what kind of play was had and always (well most always) names the provider? KBG reports on the other hand generally will not report name nor costs involved. For that matter they rarely include specific play. I would speculate as to why but I'd probably be wrong. To each his own but wouldn't it be more helpful if we all named names, provided cost of service, and what exactly was to be had (taking into account the old YMMV). Just thinking out loud is all.
Now again its only an old guys opinion, but, I pretty much don't care if you are on some bar tour tonight UNLESS you report on KBG particulars. Nope don't want to hear about which guy is the best singer (we all know its that Michael Jackson guy LOL). Who is more handsome? Who cares is all I can say. But, I know I'm probably a minority so nevermind, its just a small kine rant. (Thank you doctor, I feel better now) Thinking the KBGs would hate having actual reports anyways as their myriad of games would be exposed some what.
Ss.For me, I don't mind knowing about things other than a / s / l. I think my objectives and come from perspective differ from yours SS in that I like the chase game as oppossed to finding out or seeing on any given night who's willing to grab jr for 20's. The Yujins, Julies, Michelle, Myra, Mari etc etc, play for play girls don't interest me. Been there, done that. The ones that don't usually play are my targets and I think MOST guy's targets TOO. I think this is why the always playgirls are mentioned but not the others. Talking about that hottie you got play with will certainly ruin future attempts at other hotties as you will get identified.
Yes, success rates are REALLY low but still, "that "game" is fun for me. What is interesting to you may not be interesting to me and visa versa. TEHO. Also, I'm not always there for sex. Drinking, watching sports, eating, singing or just enjoying eye candy are fun for me too. Everyone should have the right to enjoy the KB experience in thier own way. Limiting reports to a / sl type posts would only create more lurkers imo and is BAD for the KB business. They slow as it is and don't want more bars to close. Yes, this is a sex forum but even the AMP experience will include other than the exact sex performance remarks reports. I say post what you like post as long as its not critisizing others as what may not be useful info to you may be to me. Most of the useful info in KB reports are stuff you need to read between the lines BTW. I feel we are here to help each other get more enjoyment out of our KB experience primarily sex oriented but there is room for humor too imo. BTW, I'm really handsome. JOKE! Just my 3.49 cents worth, hehe.
I wonder I've been taking out Kbg to lunch several times & never got sex yet. At what point shouldI move on. I know some guys just keep going out, because they like to have a companion. Me I like more.Why don't you say something or make the move so that something can happen. Just eating lunch and talking about non sexual things won't result into her having sex with you just like that. How does she know you want that? Besides, she's a BG so, it won't be anything new to her if she heard a sexual remark. It's very likely that someone had already tried to make a move on her because she most likely encountered it if she been working in the bar long enough.
For me, I don't mind knowing about things other than a / s / l. I think my objectives and come from perspective differ from yours SS in that I like the chase game as oppossed to finding out or seeing on any given night who's willing to grab jr for 20's. The Yujins, Julies, Michelle, Myra, Mari etc etc, play for play girls don't interest me. Been there, done that. The ones that don't usually play are my targets and I think MOST guy's targets TOO. I think this is why the always playgirls are mentioned but not the others. Talking about that hottie you got play with will certainly ruin future attempts at other hotties as you will get identified.
Everyone should have the right to enjoy the KB experience in thier own way. Limiting reports to a / sl type posts would only create more lurkers imo and is BAD for the KB business. They slow as it is and don't want more bars to close. Yes, this is a sex forum but even the AMP experience will include other than the exact sex performance remarks reports. I say post what you like post as long as its not critisizing others as what may not be useful info to you may be to me. Most of the useful info in KB reports are stuff you need to read between the lines BTW. I feel we are here to help each other get more enjoyment out of our KB experience primarily sex oriented but there is room for humor too imo. BTW, I'm really handsome. JOKE! Just my 3.49 cents worth, hehe.Couldn't agree more about everyone having the right to enjoy the KB experience in their own way Mr Oldee. BTW I really liked the fishing analogy. I guess I'm at a stage where I pretty much know where the "hole" is, I know when to go, and I know what kind of bait to use. It's not to say that I don't go trolling once in awhile. Sometimes its fun to just cast around to see what's out there.
Hey this is your thread so I have no opinion about what is posted here. My post was an observation and a very small kine vent. My guess is that the info doesn't get posted for the reason you expressed (guy gets I'd'd) and the loverboy syndrome. There are guys (and I have been there / done that) who think their particular relationship with a KBG is "special" LOL (and I laugh at myself too) so they don't post cause it would upset their honey. And that is exactly what the KBGs want.
She was a fisherman's daughter but you should have seen her reel when I showed her my "rod".
Ss.
TrueTemper
01-22-14, 05:25
The AMP threads and associated reports are like guys reviewing thier meal of FISH (sex) at a seafood restaurant. Prices are listed on the menu and L / A / S reviews apply. After all, isn't AMPs brothels with prostitutes? BTW, I think AMPs are great. Korean and other hostess bars are like places guys like to go FISHing (sex) for the fish that they eat. The bars are drinking places with HOSTESSES and what's on the menu is usually not listed (except Canal and Bsea). Guys that don't like fishing and have no patience for it probably would be more happy buying thier or fish at Tamashiro's or at Alan Wongs. I don't blame them. Takes patience to fish and "game" to start KB fishing not to mention money. It is primarily a YMMV venue unlike AMPs. Still many guys enjoy fishing, even when they don't catch fish. This thread was created to help guys enjoy the hobby of fishing more and catch more fish. I know some guys fustrated that TT no like tell where his favorite ulua spot is but he had to go fishing long time to find it and just like share with other fisherman who will trade fishing spots. Guys expecting the KB reports to be like AMP reports will be fustrated because its just not the same venue although the objective is the SAME (sex). Also, there are other venues within the KB experience itself besides sex being its a DRINKING and social entertainment venue. Ultimately, this thread was for KB goers and contributors and unlike the many AMP threads, there are just 2 even though there are probably more KB mongers than AMP mongers. Its just that most KB goers are lurkers.How come you only mention me. I was feeling good just lurking. I get way more white wash then bites. Eye candy is good enough for me. Papio at least you in the game, I too scared to go out with the KBG's in the civilian world.
I would tell her what you want. Simple as that. If no then choose another KBG. MOST KBGs that go lunch or dinner with guys just want free lunch. I realize shame to ask for some guys but nothing to lose. Like me ask for you? LOL.I thank you.
TrueTemper
01-22-14, 13:44
Aloha Korean Bar Tours. How's that for PR.
TrueTemper
01-22-14, 14:06
For me, I don't mind knowing about things other than a / s / l. I think my objectives and come from perspective differ from yours SS in that I like the chase game as oppossed to finding out or seeing on any given night who's willing to grab jr for 20's. The Yujins, Julies, Michelle, Myra, Mari etc etc, play for play girls don't interest me. Been there, done that. The ones that don't usually play are my targets and I think MOST guy's targets TOO. I think this is why the always playgirls are mentioned but not the others. Talking about that hottie you got play with will certainly ruin future attempts at other hotties as you will get identified.
Yes, success rates are REALLY low but still, "that "game" is fun for me. What is interesting to you may not be interesting to me and visa versa. TEHO. Also, I'm not always there for sex. Drinking, watching sports, eating, singing or just enjoying eye candy are fun for me too. Everyone should have the right to enjoy the KB experience in thier own way. Limiting reports to a / sl type posts would only create more lurkers imo and is BAD for the KB business. They slow as it is and don't want more bars to close. Yes, this is a sex forum but even the AMP experience will include other than the exact sex performance remarks reports. I say post what you like post as long as its not critisizing others as what may not be useful info to you may be to me. Most of the useful info in KB reports are stuff you need to read between the lines BTW. I feel we are here to help each other get more enjoyment out of our KB experience primarily sex oriented but there is room for humor too imo. BTW, I'm really handsome. JOKE! Just my 3.49 cents worth, hehe.Actual you was backing me up, I too level III stupid to notice. Kamsa. I quote " you need to read between the lines." Most of the girls I sit with.
Is mentioned, even the playful ones.
Actual you was backing me up, I too level III stupid to notice. Kamsa. I quote " you need to read between the lines." Most of the girls I sit with.
Is mentioned, even the playful ones.Bakaman, I'm actually proud of you because altho you level 3 point5, you have progressed from Oama fishing to shorecaster. Many guys that go KBs have never gotten play at a KB but you have. BTW, I was introduced to this forum long ago by KBGs and childhood friends who are AMP patrons that were fustrated KB LVBs. They only go KBs if I go with them for protection from KBGs because they suffer from nocansaynoitis. You got that too but don't want protection so you at 3 point5 still. At least bedda than Level4, LOL.
BTW, a birdie told me Ninja808 took the sukebe test this past weekend and PASSED! Congrats Ninja bro. He wen go make solo sneak attack and neva tell me but sometimes the kim chee wireless tell me, LOL.
How come you only mention me. I was feeling good just lurking. I get way more white wash then bites. Eye candy is good enough for me. Papio at least you in the game, I too scared to go out with the KBG's in the civilian world.You know, both you and Papio don't realize that you guys got game and just missing confidence. Confidence will put you over the edge to success with KBGs and anything else in life. Don't be afraid to swing the bat. All star hitters get hits only 30% of the time. The no will not not hurt as much as the fear of the no. That is what Uki was trying to tell you. Think about it long and hard, LOL.
You is right on Oldee!! Have confidence braddahs! I do like the AMPs, but I also fish at the KBs. For me it is all about enjoying the time I have left here. Sometimes I go the KB just to get the juices flowing, at my age, if I go straight to AMP, girl is too tired before I am ready to pop. The KBGs are my precurser...
You know, both you and Papio don't realize that you guys got game and just missing confidence. Confidence will put you over the edge to success with KBGs and anything else in life. Don't be afraid to swing the bat. All star hitters get hits only 30% of the time. The no will not not hurt as much as the fear of the no. That is what Uki was trying to tell you. Think about it long and hard, LOL.
You know, both you and Papio don't realize that you guys got game and just missing confidence. Confidence will put you over the edge to success with KBGs and anything else in life. Don't be afraid to swing the bat. All star hitters get hits only 30% of the time. The no will not not hurt as much as the fear of the no. That is what Uki was trying to tell you. Think about it long and hard, LOL.I think there's alot of people who feel confident only when they get some approval / reassurance from other people to verify their confidence level.
"You think I can do it?
They need that encouragement in order for them to feel confident that they can do it. We can't be confident in every aspect but, there has to be something (s) that everyone is confident in. They just haven't discovered / realized it yet.
You know Oldee, among my friends, when they're not confident in a certain area, they feel sick they can't be in that spotlight to shine. But, when it does reach a moment where they can display their confidence level, they can get big headed sometimes.
"This is my moment to shine! Let me show them how it's done!
LOL.
TrueTemper
01-23-14, 08:26
I think there's alot of people who feel confident only when they get some approval / reassurance from other people to verify their confidence level.
"You think I can do it?
They need that encouragement in order for them to feel confident that they can do it. We can't be confident in every aspect but, there has to be something (s) that everyone is confident in. They just haven't discovered / realized it yet.
You know Oldee, among my friends, when they're not confident in a certain area, they feel sick they can't be in that spotlight to shine. But, when it does reach a moment where they can display their confidence level, they can get big headed sometimes.
"This is my moment to shine! Let me show them how it's done!
LOL.I got Big Headed and waited for my DKBG after three customer cut in line before me. Oldee came and bail me out. Another White Wash that is why I don't give.
Up the playgirls so easily. I get beat up plenty times but I still get back up. Level 4 stupid. I ready to go again.
I got Big Headed and waited for my DKBG after three customer cut in line before me. Oldee came and bail me out. Another White Wash that is why I don't give.
Up the playgirls so easily. I get beat up plenty times but I still get back up. Level 4 stupid. I ready to go again.Thanks for giving guys an example of loyal loverboy puppy dog (LLPD) syndrome. The guys who will wait and no complain to thier DKBG even tho they had apointment letting other LVBs cut in line. Every KB goer who ever sat with a KBG has been through this so no laugh at TT. This is not big headed, its bakapabo headed. You got bachi for running away from me at Splash to go see her. No worry TTPD bro, I fix things for you with her on your next visit. Thanks for the Remy last night.
TrueTemper
01-23-14, 18:28
Thanks for giving guys an example of loyal loverboy puppy dog (LLPD) syndrome. The guys who will wait and no complain to thier DKBG even tho they had apointment letting other LVBs cut in line. Every KB goer who ever sat with a KBG has been through this so no laugh at TT. This is not big headed, its bakapabo headed. You got bachi for running away from me at Splash to go see her. No worry TTPD bro, I fix things for you with her on your next visit. Thanks for the Remy last night.Thanks for picking me up off the floor. I going back to crying now.
TrueTemper
01-24-14, 02:27
Grand Masters, Does second shift still applies or have times change? I rarely see girls drunk but then again I do not stay until closing.
Grand Masters, Does second shift still applies or have times change? I rarely see girls drunk but then again I do not stay until closing.Of course it does! I think more so in Kalihi tho as they drink more real drinks than town girls. Also, you need to observe good. Learn to see tide changes, moon phases etc. You catch? LOL.
TrueTemper
01-24-14, 19:07
Of course it does! I think more so in Kalihi tho as they drink more real drinks than town girls. Also, you need to observe good. Learn to see tide changes, moon phases etc. You catch? LOL.After I read it ten times and maybe one month I going catch. I never know SS was a Grand Master!! I went text the table hopper. If you like Blast her for me.
This weekend, oh wait maybe you not going drink this weekend. NOT.
FIrst of all, I have made so many tactical errors in the KBs that it would make a good book as to what not to do. With that said and with regards to 1st, 2nd, 3 the shift, I find that the 2nd shift (10 p 2 a) is about right. But, as Oldee says you have got to read the tides. KBGs can act drunk or be drunk. Plus if they are really drunk then whatcha going to do? I've seen KBGs stagger out with their customers and send them on their way and then walk back into the bar cold sober. Yup, as one KBG said to me once, "I act like I think the customer expects me to act". Remember that. They are very good at reading you and responding accordingly. Now, sometimes you get a KBG who has had too much. A few things can happen and none are good. She passes out in the bar. She goes into KBG ROB mode. She actually wants you to take her home. Then what are you going to do? I mentioned before, one time this KBG was so drunk and the tequila was setting in fast. Being a nice guy and intending to only drop her off at her apartment, I helped her to my car and headed out. Once we got to her place, I had to carry her out of my car. Well as I reached under to help her up, I felt my car seat all wet. That was the thanks I got for being a nice guy. She'd pee'd on my car seat! Got her to her apartment and bailed as no good can come from going any further.
Lately, I've experimented with 1st shift in Kalihi with mixed results. The picking are few, but, the girls are friendly aggressive. Jury still out on that shift. 3rd shift (2 a 4 a) for me seems to be only a time to sober up before the long ride home. The "Last Call" KBGs almost always try for 2 final drinks. I just say no and go. But yah got to remember this is coming from a guy who is older than dirt. Young bucks will have a way better time, but, I always wonder what are they doing in the KBs. Back in the day, I would head for the nightclubs for chasing and eye candy. I'd just be out of place now and be that dirty old man at the bar. Have never had a KBG girlfriend. All my GF's I met at Wave Waikiki, TGIF, Ryan's, the beach, Bobby McGee's, or "on the road". KBGs, to me, are just a way to kill an otherwise dull night.
Ss.
FIrst of all, I have made so many tactical errors in the KBs that it would make a good book as to what not to do. With that said and with regards to 1st, 2nd, 3 the shift, I find that the 2nd shift (10 p 2 a) is about right. But, as Oldee says you have got to read the tides. KBGs can act drunk or be drunk. Plus if they are really drunk then whatcha going to do? I've seen KBGs stagger out with their customers and send them on their way and then walk back into the bar cold sober. Yup, as one KBG said to me once, "I act like I think the customer expects me to act". Remember that. They are very good at reading you and responding accordingly. Now, sometimes you get a KBG who has had too much. A few things can happen and none are good. She passes out in the bar. She goes into KBG ROB mode. She actually wants you to take her home. Then what are you going to do? I mentioned before, one time this KBG was so drunk and the tequila was setting in fast. Being a nice guy and intending to only drop her off at her apartment, I helped her to my car and headed out. Once we got to her place, I had to carry her out of my car. Well as I reached under to help her up, I felt my car seat all wet. That was the thanks I got for being a nice guy. She'd pee'd on my car seat! Got her to her apartment and bailed as no good can come from going any further.
Lately, I've experimented with 1st shift in Kalihi with mixed results. The picking are few, but, the girls are friendly aggressive. Jury still out on that shift. 3rd shift (2 a 4 a) for me seems to be only a time to sober up before the long ride home. The "Last Call" KBGs almost always try for 2 final drinks. I just say no and go. But yah got to remember this is coming from a guy who is older than dirt. Young bucks will have a way better time, but, I always wonder what are they doing in the KBs. Back in the day, I would head for the nightclubs for chasing and eye candy. I'd just be out of place now and be that dirty old man at the bar. Have never had a KBG girlfriend. All my GF's I met at Wave Waikiki, TGIF, Ryan's, the beach, Bobby McGee's, or "on the road". KBGs, to me, are just a way to kill an otherwise dull night.
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Ss.These days, luck, what shift, what day of week all come into play. Yes, never had KBG gf altho had a few chase me. Like you, went hunting civilian places. I find it amusing that so many guys want KBGs to be thier gf or wife. Who told me this? Not LVBs. KBGs did and do. Really want a KBG gf? No chase, better results.
Are you a LVB but want a KBG gf? Don't chase her. Just be around so she can chase you. Don't buy her plenty neko like the rest of the LVBs. KBGs don't like regular LVBs. Be nice but have the can just as well be without her attitude. How I know? KBGs told me of course! LOL. When you go fishing, you let the fish bite your hook or jig with your lure letting them come to you. Entice them with your game. Finese them with your jigging technique. No mo game? Go AMP, no try, or take the AKBT, LOL. Eh TT, you catch? LOL.
TrueTemper
01-27-14, 22:19
Are you a LVB but want a KBG gf? Don't chase her. Just be around so she can chase you. Don't buy her plenty neko like the rest of the LVBs. KBGs don't like regular LVBs. Be nice but have the can just as well be without her attitude. How I know? KBGs told me of course! LOL. When you go fishing, you let the fish bite your hook or jig with your lure letting them come to you. Entice them with your game. Finese them with your jigging technique. No mo game? Go AMP, no try, or take the AKBT, LOL. Eh TT, you catch? LOL.Still kind of over my head. I going back to wait for oama season already. Thanks new Grand Master, Beeraddict, very mean info. The both of you, Eh no drink.
Too much or drink one for me!!
Are you a LVB but want a KBG gf? Don't chase her. Just be around so she can chase you. Don't buy her plenty neko like the rest of the LVBs. KBGs don't like regular LVBs. Be nice but have the can just as well be without her attitude. How I know? KBGs told me of course! LOL. When you go fishing, you let the fish bite your hook or jig with your lure letting them come to you. Entice them with your game. Finese them with your jigging technique. No mo game? Go AMP, no try, or take the AKBT, LOL. Eh TT, you catch? LOL.If you go AMP you can become LVB over there then the night can be really expensive. Haha and easier to be LVB at AMP since you no need bait or game just need $ and you are getting laid. Although I haven't gone on the AKBT yet so I'm probably one of the LVBs you have seen while you taking others on the tour Oldee.
Are you a LVB but want a KBG gf? Don't chase her. Just be around so she can chase you. Don't buy her plenty neko like the rest of the LVBs. KBGs don't like regular LVBs. Be nice but have the can just as well be without her attitude. How I know? KBGs told me of course! LOL. When you go fishing, you let the fish bite your hook or jig with your lure letting them come to you. Entice them with your game. Finese them with your jigging technique. No mo game? Go AMP, no try, or take the AKBT, LOL. Eh TT, you catch? LOL.This is good advice! Ex girlfriends and the current one tell me they don't respect guys that spend crazy money chasing girls. They view these types as players and not boyfriend material. They'll gladly take your money, but if you want a relationship with them, you need to earn their respect. You earn their respect by standing your ground. Some will gladly take a sugar daddy or two, but that won't last when the guy's money runs out.
BeerAddict
01-28-14, 18:59
Some will gladly take a sugar daddy or two, but that won't last when the guy's money runs out.Great advice, I have a buddy who is a local retired attorney who I drink with twice a week. He spends on the average about $20,000 per month at the bars. He has a whole herd of women that he visits weekly along with different drinking partners or groups. On the average I would say that he spends around a grand each night and then does the outcall thing with many of the KBG's. I told him he would be better off opening his own AMP and just "training" all the new girls that he hires. After all, proper training is the backbone to many a successful business. LOL.
For many guys though, we don't have deep pockets like him and when the money runs out, I have seen so many girls breakup with their so called "boyfriend". I have seen too many of my ex-wife's KBG friends doing that each and every day. Honestly, it pisses my off because I feel for the poor guys but I also understand the thrill of the chase. We all need to realize that chasing gets pricey. Have a great day fellas.
Great advice, I have a buddy who is a local retired attorney who I drink with twice a week. He spends on the average about $20,000 per month at the bars. He has a whole herd of women that he visits weekly along with different drinking partners or groups. On the average I would say that he spends around a grand each night and then does the outcall thing with many of the KBG's. I told him he would be better off opening his own AMP and just "training" all the new girls that he hires. After all, proper training is the backbone to many a successful business. LOL.
For many guys though, we don't have deep pockets like him and when the money runs out, I have seen so many girls breakup with their so called "boyfriend". I have seen too many of my ex-wife's KBG friends doing that each and every day. Honestly, it pisses my off because I feel for the poor guys but I also understand the thrill of the chase. We all need to realize that chasing gets pricey. Have a great day fellas.The thrill of the chase is part of the fun. For me once I get the KBG to come to me I usually ask a bunch of questions before I get a drink for her. Whether I get a good vibe or not is if I decide to buy her a drink or not. Hehe I also don't care for a KBG that does sleep with each customer who spends the most. Hmm now if money talks then that's not the KBG for me (then again can innocence be found in the KB) to tell me if you are innocent and you don't sleep around is that chincha true? Haha I must be drunk or maybe I got tired of being a lurker and I might be learning something.
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