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Somebody started a thread (years ago, I didn't know it was there) for "a place where providers can tell their side of the story." I deleted it for two reasons; They can do that here.The purpose of the forum is to "provide a place for men to talk about women for sex" nowhere in there does it say we will provide "a place for women to talk about the men who talk about them."It's not what we do, we aren't interested in doing it. This is a locker room, we aren't interested in equal access and we don't have to be.
A2If my memory hasn't completely deserted me, I think Jackson created that thread at Tonguetwister's request. I seem to recall a particular bit of nastiness directed at a number of girls at the time, and they screamed for a platform to defend themselves. Since then, however, it has lain fallow. In fact, for a while I thought this forum was that renamed, until I discovered its dusty remains one day. Like worn out shoes stashed in the attic for years, it deserved a place in the trash bin.
If my memory hasn't completely deserted me, I think Jackson created that thread at Tonguetwister's request. I seem to recall a particular bit of nastiness directed at a number of girls at the time, and they screamed for a platform to defend themselves. Since then, however, it has lain fallow. In fact, for a while I thought this forum was that renamed, until I discovered its dusty remains one day. Like worn out shoes stashed in the attic for years, it deserved a place in the trash bin.I went back and checked the first post before I got rid of it, it was one of you guys who created it specifically for some provider.
It's not that we don't like and respect women, we do. We have lots of rules here to protect them. We just are not interested in having a he said/she said forum and I doubt most of you guys do either.
A2
As none of it changes minds.
I don't make a clear habit of finance, but I will take opportunity of a chance visit to help someone out, buy the next time, short loan that doesn't equate to much. Anything above and beyond is the chance for someone to walk, regardless of opportunity to make it right.
Question; given the staggering increase of those who utilize the internet from a mobile standpoint is there any chance a working app for this site been considered? I've tried more than once, can't upload pics or easily type out replies. Got on here trying to find a phone number that was in PM's and after numerous tries, gave up.
I don't donate to SA, or the various children's charities, or religiously oriented charities, because IMO the people who run them take way too much of the money for themselves. I much prefer to donate, if I am in a position to do so, directly to the person who will use the donation, money, food, or minutes, whatever. To each their own.
Cheech.
As none of it changes minds.
I don't make a clear habit of finance, but I will take opportunity of a chance visit to help someone out, buy the next time, short loan that doesn't equate to much. Anything above and beyond is the chance for someone to walk, regardless of opportunity to make it right.
Question; given the staggering increase of those who utilize the internet from a mobile standpoint is there any chance a working app for this site been considered? I've tried more than once, can't upload pics or easily type out replies. Got on here trying to find a phone number that was in PM's and after numerous tries, gave up.My Iphone, generation 4, works fine. I can check messages, download photos from both the gallery and from the boards and post replys from both the board and from pms. I haven't tried to upload a photo because I prefer to use my laptop for that. You might consider giving that a try.
It doesn't / didn't work on ipads either, an app would make it easier for more / new sp's...yea.
As none of it changes minds.
I don't make a clear habit of finance, but I will take opportunity of a chance visit to help someone out, buy the next time, short loan that doesn't equate to much. Anything above and beyond is the chance for someone to walk, regardless of opportunity to make it right.
Question; given the staggering increase of those who utilize the internet from a mobile standpoint is there any chance a working app for this site been considered? I've tried more than once, can't upload pics or easily type out replies. Got on here trying to find a phone number that was in PM's and after numerous tries, gave up.
Question; given the staggering increase of those who utilize the internet from a mobile standpoint is there any chance a working app for this site been considered? I've tried more than once, can't upload pics or easily type out replies. Got on here trying to find a phone number that was in PM's and after numerous tries, gave up.We are throwing this around, the problem is cost. Development has a staggering cost. VBulletin has a mobile plug in but we have done so much development over the years we can't just turn it on. We know you guys want it, we want to do it, but it would take a couple years revenue at current earnings to pay for it. Maybe if we ever go two tiered to pay/free we will put it in there to make the subscription side more valuable.
Disclaimer; Don't you guys get your panties in a wad over the two tiered remark. We aren't planning on going TER on you guys, where unless you pay for it you can't see the whole review. There are expensive things guys would like here, mobile, more robust search, the ability to filter reviews and providers on personal criterion, maybe some kind of unified review form. Stuff like that we know you want but just can't pay for right now with the ad revenue. We know where our bread is buttered, we have no plans at this time of taking anything you get for free now away, our thinking is more, what can we offer that guys might be willing to step up and pay a monthly or yearly fee for.
A2
HuntLadys29
03-03-14, 15:40
I got a girl I'm kinda sweet on here. To the point that I don't see her professionally anymore, (P4 P and emotional involvement is BAAAADDDD JUJU) we have become friends in a limited sense. She wanted to borrow some money the other day for a business deal that overall I support the idea but her plan sucked and was doomed to failure. I showed her how to make a business plan, and told her when she came back to have a plan, and offered to match her dollar for dollar (peso for peso actually) as a long term loan up to an amount I feel comfortable with. I don't want her thinking she can come to me and get bailed out. I want her thinking that I'm willing to help, but I'm not a money well. I'm aware that I might not get the money back if I make the loan and am ok with that.The difference there is you are making a buisness loan and you are not expecting punanny in return because I assume she is trying to get out of the buisness. Buisness do fail and if her buisness venture fails it will be hard to recoup but if it is a success she should be more than willing to pay you back as it sounds like you just want your initial investment back. The problem with loaning money to a provider is they have only one way to pay you back, like I've always said I never lend more than I can afford to lose. If I'm at work and somebody asks me for 5 bucks and all I have on me is 7 or 10 they don't get. And with a provider I always ask myself why is she asking me for money, doesn't she have anybody closer? She must have burned all her bridges, so I won't give her a chance to burn this bridge.
Somebody started a thread (years ago, I didn't know it was there) for "a place where providers can tell their side of the story." I deleted it for two reasons; They can do that here.The purpose of the forum is to "provide a place for men to talk about women for sex" nowhere in there does it say we will provide "a place for women to talk about the men who talk about them."It's not what we do, we aren't interested in doing it. This is a locker room, we aren't interested in equal access and we don't have to be.
A2Hope I am not Hi-jacking the thread, a few weeks ago I posted some reports on some girls I had met, most were glowing but one was entirely negative, anyway one of the ladies I posted a positive review of called me and was upset about the negative review. Her opinion was that its ok for the girls to describe and act anyway they want and if a guy doesn't like it he should not see her again, she actuallly refused to see me again because this proved I was a bad person, personally I look at a ladies posting like an ad for any other business, if I go to a butcher who advertises the freshest meat in town and upon arrival all the meat is moldy, or if I buy a steak and take it him and its not a steak I will feel that I should post a review to warn others about my experience at this shop. If I pay for an hr and get 20 min, or see an add for prime rib and ground chuck answers the door would it be wrong for me to tell others about this? In my opinion the ladies defend themselves by providing the type of experience that merits good reviews, if I see a butcher has 1 negative review and 200 positive I will dismiss the negative of as being false. Should we limit our comments to real provider and LEO?
Hope I am not Hi-jacking the thread, a few weeks ago I posted some reports on some girls I had met, most were glowing but one was entirely negative, anyway one of the ladies I posted a positive review of called me and was upset about the negative review. Her opinion was that its ok for the girls to describe and act anyway they want and if a guy doesn't like it he should not see her again, she actuallly refused to see me again because this proved I was a bad person, personally I look at a ladies posting like an ad for any other business, if I go to a butcher who advertises the freshest meat in town and upon arrival all the meat is moldy, or if I buy a steak and take it him and its not a steak I will feel that I should post a review to warn others about my experience at this shop. If I pay for an hr and get 20 min, or see an add for prime rib and ground chuck answers the door would it be wrong for me to tell others about this? In my opinion the ladies defend themselves by providing the type of experience that merits good reviews, if I see a butcher has 1 negative review and 200 positive I will dismiss the negative of as being false. Should we limit our comments to real provider and LEO?Both personally, and professionally I think you should write what you want. I think posting false negatives because she wouldn't do something you want or reduce a price is fucking douchey (not saying you did that, I'm speaking generally) and shouldn't be done. I think that honest, fair, balanced, reviews is what this site is all about. If a chick is older than her pics (or fatter, or thinner, or whatever) say it. If in addition to that issue she's really good at what she does, then say that as well.
If they don't like the review but it doesn't break the posting guidelines I'll never take it down because they don't like it.
Well, how about a local girl. I like everything about this photo. It brings back very pleasant mammaries, I mean memories. And yes, it was definitely worth it.
My Iphone, generation 4, works fine. I can check messages, download photos from both the gallery and from the boards and post replys from both the board and from pms. I haven't tried to upload a photo because I prefer to use my laptop for that. You might consider giving that a try.
It doesn't / didn't work on ipads either, an app would make it easier for more / new sp's...yea.Every once in a while, my phone will switch to 'reader' which will put text only in view. Inconsistent. I've got an iPhone 4 G.
willing to step up and pay a monthly or yearly fee for.
A2Go ahead and run a poll. I'd be one of the first ones to pay, knowing how effective this site has proven reliable for intel. Everyone should be saying this, because 40 character reviews simply isn't enough across numerous sites. It takes a group effort of course, those who TOFTT where the gamble of one became the avoided risk for another. It's something that paid memberships would offer some really good value. Just having the mobile access, some of the features you mentioned.
What I've gained here has a monetary value. The offer of the pay/non-pay side is a user based decision, keeping the masses content.
305420.
Well, how about a local girl. I like everything about this photo. It brings back very pleasant mammaries, I mean memories. And yes, it was definitely worth it.But this one has more chins than a Chinese phone book.
Whathesaid
03-04-14, 04:03
My IPhone, generation 4, works fine. I can check messages, download photos from both the gallery and from the boards and post replies from both the board and from pms. I haven't tried to upload a photo because I prefer to use my laptop for that. You might consider giving that a try.I can read the forum and handle PMs just fine on my first generation Samsung Note phablet. Only thing I can't do reliably is image search, but that's more a browser issue. I don't upload or download hobby pix on any of my devices so I cannot speak about that function. The only mobile-specific apps / sites I use are for flights, gasoline and last minute hotels.
IMO almost any larger screen phone built in the last three years should have enough horsepower to run this site (or at least if you can run mobile Chrome.) Unless you have an SO into tech ... She might have put something on your phone to keep it "kosher" lol
My Rant.
My first post in the Octagon and will sure to be a little different than many of the others: I just want to thank Jackson, A2 and all the others responsible for the USASG. It is a very valuable source of information and the first place I look at when I want to play. I used to travel for work (all across the USA And even most of Europe) and when ever in a new town I would check USASG for who to call (or more importantly who NOT to call).
For those of us in Cincinnati, we are very fortunate for the amount of information about our area. There are many places where the activity posted on this forum is way less than here in the Cincinnati area. We are also very fortunate to have so many GREAT providers that work at a various price ranges where everyone can participate at whatever financial comfort level they have.
Once again, Thank You to all who both post on USASG and to those that help provide and maintain this forum.
Mike.
Laugh out Loud.
But this one has more chins than a Chinese phone book.
But this one has more chins than a Chinese phone book.An old joke. Not very original. But I only see one. Maybe your seeing double. I'd get my eyes checked if I were you.
Your right, but maybe just charge for the mobile at first, and see if that covers it.
Every once in a while, my phone will switch to 'reader' which will put text only in view. Inconsistent. I've got an iPhone 4 G.
Go ahead and run a poll. I'd be one of the first ones to pay, knowing how effective this site has proven reliable for intel. Everyone should be saying this, because 40 character reviews simply isn't enough across numerous sites. It takes a group effort of course, those who TOFTT where the gamble of one became the avoided risk for another. It's something that paid memberships would offer some really good value. Just having the mobile access, some of the features you mentioned.
What I've gained here has a monetary value. The offer of the pay/non-pay side is a user based decision, keeping the masses content.
305420.
An old joke. Not very original. But I only see one. Maybe your seeing double. I'd get my eyes checked if I were you.Sometimes the oldies are the good ones.
Sometimes the oldies are the good ones.So your vision is 20/20. Well how many fingers am I holding up? One, right!
So your vision is 20/20. Well how many fingers am I holding up? One, right!Or have your fat arrogant friend help you out with that.
I'm surprised that more girls don't promote their 69 skills. I always have to ask and usually I get a lukewarm response. I think the best was with Felicia (fantasyfancy). Sandy is good, had the disadvantage of not having access to those magnificent tits during 69. Gatty23.
HarryHendryx
03-05-14, 12:14
I'm very disappointed that I have not seen any ads with references to Ass Wednesday specials.
Or have your fat arrogant friend help you out with that.I love this board. I wish we had one in Memphis.
HarryHendryx
03-05-14, 12:17
I'm disappointed there have been no specials for Ass Wednesday.
Well she did offer to stick it up her ass, but I told her I wasn't into pain so her giner would be just fine.
I love this board. I wish we had one in Memphis.You fucking guys need one. If I do it what should I call it? What about "Rhythm and Bruises" that's a throwback name for you guys.
A2.
Many years ago, a provider whose name I dare not speak, offered sessions where you could setup a video camera and record for posterity your session with her. It was not an issue of privacy for her as she had appeared in some commercially available porn. Although I wouldn't want to see my own fat ass in homemade porn, is there a market here for it?
If so, would some / any providers offer it as an option?
That's a pretty big gamble.
Many years ago, a provider whose name I dare not speak, offered sessions where you could setup a video camera and record for posterity your session with her. It was not an issue of privacy for her as she had appeared in some commercially available porn. Although I wouldn't want to see my own fat ass in homemade porn, is there a market here for it?
If so, would some / any providers offer it as an option?
That's a pretty big gamble.I know that Molly Daniels recently acquired a GoPro video camera. When someone on another board asked what she planned to do with it, she replied "strap it to your head and hit record." I don't know if she was joking about it or not. But knowing Molly, I'd say it's an available service. Unfortunately, the only clip that I've seen that she shot with it was a snow boarding wipe out.
I know that Molly Daniels recently acquired a GoPro video camera. When someone on another board asked what she planned to do with it, she replied "strap it to your head and hit record." I don't know if she was joking about it or not. But knowing Molly, I'd say it's an available service. Unfortunately, the only clip that I've seen that she shot with it was a snow boarding wipe out.Beyond videos, back when she was doing webcam shows, Molly once got a request from a viewer who wanted to see her with a guy. She asked me if I'd do a private webcam show with her with the cam pointed low at the bed so my face wouldn't be in the frame. I agreed, but by the time I got to her incall, the guy who'd requested the show had lost his patience and signed off. I suppose that at least saved me from risking any trouble like the guys visiting the Zumba instructor in New England got into, and it spared the porn viewing community at large from ever seeing what would have been an amateur show (on my part, not Molly's) had the viewer intended to record the webcam feed.
I just had a really cute, highly skilled provider leave without being able to get me to the magic moment. Seems like I'm running about 25% failure to splooge rate these days. I know this sounds weird but I think I might need to take a break, I'm kinda bored banging 2-4 different hot chicks a week. Yeah, I know how that sounds and feel free to tell me to STFU but it's what's going on and I'm wondering if anybody else has ever had this happen?
And all you ladies fixing to chime in that you could fix it, it's not the chicks. This woman was hot, skilled, and dedicated to her work. This issue is without question and BKAC thing. (Tech speak for Between Keyboard And Chair, it's what we tech guys say when the operator is the problem).
I just had a really cute, highly skilled provider leave without being able to get me to the magic moment. Seems like I'm running about 25% failure to splooge rate these days. I know this sounds weird but I think I might need to take a break, I'm kinda bored banging 2-4 different hot chicks a week. Yeah, I know how that sounds and feel free to tell me to STFU but it's what's going on and I'm wondering if anybody else has ever had this happen?
And all you ladies fixing to chime in that you could fix it, it's not the chicks. This woman was hot, skilled, and dedicated to her work. This issue is without question and BKAC thing. (Tech speak for Between Keyboard And Chair, it's what we tech guys say when the operator is the problem).2 to 4 different Girls a Week? Wow. You're busy. I would not neccesarily take a break. But slow your roll. From the 2 to 4 Girls, see just 1 or 2 of them. Then make your Time Frame of at least a Week in between Sessions. For me I just have one girl I'm seeing. I time myself for a Week in between Sessions. This way I can build myself to a Max Level and have a enjoyable Session. The older us Guys get, the longer it takes to build ourselves up for a Session. Just my personal experience on this.
I just had a really cute, highly skilled provider leave without being able to get me to the magic moment. Seems like I'm running about 25% failure to splooge rate these days. I know this sounds weird but I think I might need to take a break, I'm kinda bored banging 2-4 different hot chicks a week. Yeah, I know how that sounds and feel free to tell me to STFU but it's what's going on and I'm wondering if anybody else has ever had this happen?
And all you ladies fixing to chime in that you could fix it, it's not the chicks. This woman was hot, skilled, and dedicated to her work. This issue is without question and BKAC thing. (Tech speak for Between Keyboard And Chair, it's what we tech guys say when the operator is the problem).Principle of Diminishing Marginal Utility.
http://web.uvic.ca/~hschuetz/econ103/lab7answers.pdf
Sounds like a bad case of it to me.
Notice that marginal utility eventually goes negative meaning the next piece of ass will be worse than the one before. It isn't the girl. It isn't you. It's too much pussy.
HuntLadys29
03-07-14, 06:05
I just had a really cute, highly skilled provider leave without being able to get me to the magic moment. Seems like I'm running about 25% failure to splooge rate these days. I know this sounds weird but I think I might need to take a break, I'm kinda bored banging 2-4 different hot chicks a week. Yeah, I know how that sounds and feel free to tell me to STFU but it's what's going on and I'm wondering if anybody else has ever had this happen?
And all you ladies fixing to chime in that you could fix it, it's not the chicks. This woman was hot, skilled, and dedicated to her work. This issue is without question and BKAC thing. (Tech speak for Between Keyboard And Chair, it's what we tech guys say when the operator is the problem).SLOW DOWN, I'm 56 yrs old twice a week and I can really enjoy my pleasures back to back days makes it rough and the same girls makes it not as interesting. How about traveling to a neighboring city just thinking about something new should get your juices flowing, remember sometimes its the hunt the find then the conquest. HL29.
Member #5522
03-07-14, 07:15
I just had a really cute, highly skilled provider leave without being able to get me to the magic moment. Seems like I'm running about 25% failure to splooge rate these days. I know this sounds weird but I think I might need to take a break, I'm kinda bored banging 2-4 different hot chicks a week. Yeah, I know how that sounds and feel free to tell me to STFU but it's what's going on and I'm wondering if anybody else has ever had this happen?
And all you ladies fixing to chime in that you could fix it, it's not the chicks. This woman was hot, skilled, and dedicated to her work. This issue is without question and BKAC thing. (Tech speak for Between Keyboard And Chair, it's what we tech guys say when the operator is the problem).For me, it has nothing to do with too much action. It's all a matter of missing my opportunity to blow. I get started and feel the urge to finish. I ignore the pleasures my body is feeling to prolong the action and sometimes can not get back to that point. It has nothing to do with the girl in front of me.
TheDaytimer
03-07-14, 07:50
So does that mean you now sit in the back row during the pole dancing parties?
I learned from a Tantra specialist how to overcome that. In a Tantra massage, which can last a couple of hour, the masseuses will tease and deny orgasm multiple times, letting it build up. Then when you let go WHAMMMMMMMMMM. So bringing yourself to that stage but NOT finishing a couple of times during the week THEN going on a date with a pretty Chica works for me.
I just had a really cute, highly skilled provider leave without being able to get me to the magic moment. Seems like I'm running about 25% failure to splooge rate these days. I know this sounds weird but I think I might need to take a break, I'm kinda bored banging 2-4 different hot chicks a week. Yeah, I know how that sounds and feel free to tell me to STFU but it's what's going on and I'm wondering if anybody else has ever had this happen?
And all you ladies fixing to chime in that you could fix it, it's not the chicks. This woman was hot, skilled, and dedicated to her work. This issue is without question and BKAC thing. (Tech speak for Between Keyboard And Chair, it's what we tech guys say when the operator is the problem).
Principle of Diminishing Marginal Utility.
http://web.uvic.ca/~hschuetz/econ103/lab7answers.pdf
Sounds like a bad case of it to me.
Notice that marginal utility eventually goes negative meaning the next piece of ass will be worse than the one before. It isn't the girl. It isn't you. It's too much pussy.Still assiduously working to maximize my total utility. Thus far, the relative affordability and the tantalizing variety seem to have defied my most concerted efforts to achieve my objective. Back to work.
Pictraders69
03-07-14, 11:05
Wow, what an interesting perspective. It sounded as if it could have been written or edited by the lovely, articulate and extremely talented Molly Mae. Golfcart and Tuffy's take on Admin 2's issue, almost made my brain hurt and my dick numb at the same time, LOL. Still an interesting subject to bring to the forum, and one that many of us seniors (nothing to do with membership) constantly have on our minds as we seek adventure. (pound chest here) If I was having that difficulty, I'd just take a V pill, then tell her get naked and back up a few more inches so she doesn't get injured, LOL. Have a great day!
Still assiduously working to maximize my total utility. Thus far, the relative affordability and the tantalizing variety seem to have defied my most concerted efforts to achieve my objective. Back to work.
I'm getting bit by the Principle of Diminishing Marginal Utility. I read an article about male porn stars once and what they had to do to "get up" for shoots. (Before Viagra) and almost all of them said words to the effect of "If people knew what was going on inside my head while I was working I'd be in jail" referring to the fantasies they had to have to get the equipment working. I seriously have too much pussy here, look at this list http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts-acompanantes.htm there are some fakes there but most of them are real and available for less than 50 bucks.
Though on one hand I'm still getting it done 75% of the time on the other that number could shrink. Maybe I'll take a little break. I just hate to put a dent in the economy here during a financial crisis. It feels, unpatriotic.
Overall though, I am aware, that too much pussy is a great problem to have.
A2.
TheDaytimer
03-07-14, 13:51
Is that 50 bucks at the official exchange rate or at the Blue Dollar rate?
I'm getting bit by the Principle of Diminishing Marginal Utility. I read an article about male porn stars once and what they had to do to "get up" for shoots. (Before Viagra) and almost all of them said words to the effect of "If people knew what was going on inside my head while I was working I'd be in jail" referring to the fantasies they had to have to get the equipment working. I seriously have too much pussy here, look at this list http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts-acompanantes.htm there are some fakes there but most of them are real and available for less than 50 bucks.
Though on one hand I'm still getting it done 75% of the time on the other that number could shrink. Maybe I'll take a little break. I just hate to put a dent in the economy here during a financial crisis. It feels, unpatriotic.
Overall though, I am aware, that too much pussy is a great problem to have.
A2.
Is that 50 bucks at the official exchange rate or at the Blue Dollar rate?It's down a little right now, 10.5. It was up to 12 ish a little while ago.
I just had a really cute, highly skilled provider leave without being able to get me to the magic moment. Seems like I'm running about 25% failure to splooge rate these days. I know this sounds weird but I think I might need to take a break, I'm kinda bored banging 2-4 different hot chicks a week. Yeah, I know how that sounds and feel free to tell me to STFU but it's what's going on and I'm wondering if anybody else has ever had this happen?
And all you ladies fixing to chime in that you could fix it, it's not the chicks. This woman was hot, skilled, and dedicated to her work. This issue is without question and BKAC thing. (Tech speak for Between Keyboard And Chair, it's what we tech guys say when the operator is the problem).I have had this same problem lately. Especially this past 10 days, as I have been doing 2+ sessions almost 7 out of 10 days. I was working the shit out of my hall pass and had a total 'no filter' kind of week. But towards the end I was having trouble rocking a nut for some VERY skilled, beautiful ladies. Several went above and beyond and I rocked it monster nut, but trust me when I say they earned every drop;).
I think it is just overload and time to slow down a bit. Make the whole experience 'mean' something again. Too much of a great thing is not always a good thing. Much like a drug addict building tolerance, so to... Do we. The difference is we can push past the numbness with the 'proper' stimulation. I had a smoking little hottie on Wednesday that I was playing around the world with, but I just had that 'I could keep this up forever' feeling- not going to cum. Yeah right! Until I was eating her ass and pussy from behind, propped up on the pillow. I had a faceful and needed a breath and sat back on my knees, stroking my cock and she reached back and rubbed her fingers in her pussy. Got them all wet and slippery and uncoached slipped them knuckle deep into her own ass! My fucking eyes popped out of my head and 5 or 6 strokes later ...I was at the tootsie roll center of my tootsie pop;) good Times baby!!
Peace.
PK.
TheDaytimer
03-07-14, 19:09
It's down a little right now, 10.5. It was up to 12 ish a little while ago.DAMN. It was 8.1 when I was there. You mean there was a time where I coulda got 50% more pussy for the dollar?
Stay clear of this provider, she will have going from one location to another and texting back and forth. Finally, when I met, she did not dress as we had previously. After traveling 80 miles one way to Orlando, I told her I changed my mind and walked out of her hotel room. This venture was not well researched by me, so I bear some fault. But clearly this person does not know how to manage her business as a provider. http://orlando.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sx-bust-cuban-all-ral-supr-nic-boot-d0ll-facd-cut-77/9425918 Fortunately, I did not lose money. Only time and gas expense. I should have known early enough that something was amiss, when I kept getting delays and missed voice mail messages.
First, thanks to all the guys that sent PM's I appreciate the show of support.
The mongering scene down here has distinct and separate areas, Daytime privado (bordellos) and indy chicks, cafes and coffee shops, and clubs (think strip clubs full of hookers). Forever I've been doing the daytime chicks, the price is better, I go to their incall (no chance of drama at the house) and they are all well reviewed on the local forums, I was going from one winner to the next. The cafe and coffee shop girls work both day and night and they cost a little more, no reviews so it's always a chance. The night time club girls (when dealing with Americans) are really high priced and have no reviews at all so they have no need to fuck like animals.
I recently started doing a little more of the night time stuff and have been paying more money for crappier service. My irritation was affecting my nutting. I've gone back to the days and am blowing them right and left.
Whew.
PillowTalk69
03-09-14, 07:34
Anyone have any digits on her? The one who used to work for Buddah not long ago then suddenly disappeared off the grid. Any 411 would be appreciated if anyone has working number / s on her. Tried her old one and it was disconnected. Thanks and a PM would be appreciated. I am sure Buuuddddy would be forthcoming since he says he doesn't care who his women see past or present or so he says. Have a good day all.
Utr In Ohio
03-09-14, 08:52
Anyone have any digits on her? The one who used to work for Buddah not long ago then suddenly disappeared off the grid. Any 411 would be appreciated if anyone has working number / s on her. Tried her old one and it was disconnected. Thanks and a PM would be appreciated. I am sure Buuuddddy would be forthcoming since he says he doesn't care who his women see past or present or so he says. Have a good day all.Damn bro. She left the fucking hobby all together! She is Engaged to marry a fellow (retired) hobbyist.
If you want her number you'll have to talk to him. TMaxx was his board name.
Now. Since we never met and Will Never do business together... Take my name out of your vocabulary! I'm tired of you insinuating that I somehow keep girls off this board once they leave my crew. You wrong but you pathetic begging to find a girl to go Bb with is definitely annoying more folks here than just me.
Never use my name in Your post again!
Buddah#Done with PTs bs.
TheDaytimer
03-09-14, 10:49
Anyone have any digits on her? The one who used to work for Buddah not long ago then suddenly disappeared off the grid. Any 411 would be appreciated if anyone has working number / s on her. Tried her old one and it was disconnected. Thanks and a PM would be appreciated. I am sure Buuuddddy would be forthcoming since he says he doesn't care who his women see past or present or so he says. Have a good day all.I doubt Buuuddddy would give you the info since it's probably not his to give out. If a lady leaves and goes UTR its for a reason and Buudddy would be violating her wishes if he gave it to you. YUP. He holds no ill will if they leave him so he is not about to seek "revenge" by exposing their whereabouts.
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editor's note: this report was edited to remove references to **** persons.
i am aware that the vast majority of references to **** girls are legitimate attempts to warn other fellow members about how easy it is to accidentally pickup an **** girls, the potential dangers of being caught with **** girls, etc. however, past discussions in the forum has repeatedly demonstrated that the subject simply cannot be discussed intelligently, in any form or for any reason, without being misinterpreted, and without starting flame wars.
please do not post references to **** persons in the forum. thanks!
this subject was one of the things specifically enumerated as not being ok with the relaxation of the rules in the octagon.
as far as safe sex complaints, that's ok here, shit like that is why this thread exists. two guys can argue about that until either the cows come home or i get tired of reading it.
a2
Cintixtreme
03-10-14, 09:44
First, I think A2 has asked repeatedly that, if you see a post in violation, you flag it and contact him, not make a post about it.
Second, if you are referring to Buddah's post about PM, he didn't say anything about unsafe sex practices, he said it that begging for a particular activity, in this case BBFS, was annoying. Not a word about it being unsafe or unwise.
We all know the risks, and we all know that a good number of providers have likely, at least once, let it slide with one or more particular clients in the heat of the moment (ladies, you do not have to reply stating that you, specifically, have not), and that a good number of clients, if offered in the heat of the moment, have probably gone ahead with it (same lack of need to emphatic denials from the guys). Everyone is human, and we are all big boys and girls. It only becomes a true problem if someone pushes or coerces someone to do something which they do not want to do. Then its a BIG fucking problem.
Third, whining about someone smoking weed is silly anymore. You want to tell me that someone is sliding a needle into someone, keeping them high on pills to control them, etc., then we have a conversation. But saying that someone smoked pot with a provider? If that concerns you, you might as well not call any of the ladies on this, or any, board. Or are be and his girls the only ones held to that standard?
Guys, you don't like him, and he doesn't like you. Why don't you all just ignore each other and quit making general snipes.
And while we're at it, can we all generally assume that when a girl completely, 100% vanishes from all the boards and advertising venues, that she has either retired, relocated, gotten arrested, gotten into a relationship, found better job or life opportunities, or gone UTR, and, if she really wanted to keep you as a client and income source, she would have contacted you to be part of her UTR set of clients.
PillowTalk69
03-11-14, 06:47
I and my brother have always obeyed for the most part A2 and Jackson's policies but we have serious issues with a man who supplies ladies and some gents with his extra curricular activity That is a felony if he is caught and your numbers happen to be in his phone.
It also makes no sense that CC allegedly was found out or discovered to be one of his women and dropped off for a short while and is now back on again with the SAME moniker and pictures. If a certain current monger is engaged to be married to Rebecca why did he give me her phone number if he is marrying her? Back in the day B put a lady who worked for hims pics, reviews, and appointments in an envelope and left it in her family mailbox For those ladies who work for him now if you have kids or he knows where you live and you fuck over him what does he know about you and what does that say to you. He cut off from the pussy and threatened a fellow mongerer for writing a graphic review of Sasha when told not to and also cut off his other supply and even tracked him down to where he lived. Is this the kind of guy you want to do business with fellows. The biggest fucking laugh so far on here is Sasha's statement that HE WORKS FOR THEM How fucking stupid do you think we guys are. In over two decades have any of you ever heard of a guy who owns an agency big or small where the girls control the agency and tell the owner what to do. FUCKING REALLY?? Buddah was running girls through the mill before you were fucking born, and using whatever means necessary to control them he had to. If any of the ladies have kids he has your soul and if he knows where you live and can track you he will control you to do his will HE HAS NEVER WORKED FOR ANY WOMAN and he has had women ten times better looking working for him in the past.
My brother and I will continue to obey A2's rules but both he and I honestly believed the only place to complain about sex practices that were unsafe was on the thread that had been made for that. This place is for the exchange of ideas and if you are going to use him be damned sure he does not have your info. He was run out of Ohio before and Leopards don't change their spots. He sure as hell hasn't changed his. If women worked for themselves they could just contact men and could vette them and do o own background checks going through other well known providers. Why pay him a piece of the action for someithing you could do when you do the biggest part of the work. Guys watch your backs and remember for every agency girl there are probably fifty who you can contact without giving anymore info than you are comfortable doing and who you don't have to worry about generally coming after you if you piss them off. A2 again we apologize for our earlier reference As true as it was it broke your rules and don't want to go there. Have a good week all and enjoy Spring which is coming. PT and BM.
Utr In Ohio
03-11-14, 08:12
1). Total be about the girl and pictures in mailbox.
3). CC lost some friends and family who found her out. True.
3). You seem to think smoking weed is a big deal! Its not and this country is excepting it more each day.
Not a felony... Its a pay out ticket in over 40 states!
4). If Tmax gave you Rebeccas number...Which I doubt since he lives with her.
Than that is his and his fiancé prerogative. But wasn't mine to give out.
Why oh why do you envy me so much?
You know no facts about me but you bash me constantly with your lues and allegations.
You and you bff think I am way more powerful than I am...if sasha and cc wanted to quit they could go to A2 and have me forever banned. He would help them in a heartbeat. Maybe I'm just smart enough to know the girls are my business and free will enablesthem to work however they wish!
Gentlemen, if you know Sasha or Cc please make this man stop lying on us.
Buddah.
if sasha and cc wanted to quit they could go to A2 For dragging me into an argument, but I was kind of side tracked by the idea of Sasha and CC coming to live with me. (Cue dream sequence).
Side note regarding the rare edit in The Octagon; the way to tell if a person simply mentioned the forbidden subject as opposed to advocating the forbidden subject is if they have not been banned. I know Puntang is sort of a lightning rod here, but he is a regular and I didn't want anybody having the impression he did something super douchey and sick.
A2
1). Total be about the girl and pictures in mailbox.
3). CC lost some friends and family who found her out. True.
3). You seem to think smoking weed is a big deal! Its not and this country is excepting it more each day.
Not a felony... Its a pay out ticket in over 40 states!
4). If Tmax gave you Rebeccas number...Which I doubt since he lives with her.
Than that is his and his fiancé prerogative. But wasn't mine to give out.
Why oh why do you envy me so much?
You know no facts about me but you bash me constantly with your lues and allegations.
You and you bff think I am way more powerful than I am...if sasha and cc wanted to quit they could go to A2 and have me forever banned. He would help them in a heartbeat. Maybe I'm just smart enough to know the girls are my business and free will enablesthem to work however they wish!
Gentlemen, if you know Sasha or Cc please make this man stop lying on us.
Buddah.And BTW learn the law Jabba Use is a misdemeanor depending on quantity distribution of a controlled substance is a felony depending on quantity and your old growth area was PH in a rented building. No lies Just remember guys for those of us who know him from back in the day WATCH YOUR BACKS and ladies watch yours. Did I lie about your tracking down a monger and the Sasha incident You conveniently side stepped that one. You don't want me to put your life and your family info on here You would be well served to move on down the road. You have no idea how many ladies hate you and don't trust you and how many of us old timers who know you and what you really are and have done feel the same way. Most of the guys on here are too young to know you or about you but there are about 20 of us still around who do know you Have a good week Don't beg Budda Az Sasha CC nor Airella control you you control them That simple. I feel sorry for Sasha who has kids and has to put up with you and for CC who is back under her old name which you weren't smart enough to change if her family did find out which you indicated they did. So much for discretion and safety for the ladies you love and work for you. As far as the girls and the mailbox true and she is still working and hates your azz also Keep talking.
SashaBlack
03-11-14, 10:53
Neither of you gentlemen know me and neither of you gentlemen will ever know. I am asking you nicely to keep my fucking name out of your disgusting fucking mouth. I am So sick and tired of getting on here and seeing people talk shit about me when you know nothing about the situation that I am in. This is my life and my choices I don't need anyone's input on what I want to do and who I choose to work with. Seriously just drop it and move onto the next piece of ass. Why Is it so hard for you guys to continuously talk shit about my situation; you have no idea about me or the choices I make on a daily basis. Can you seriously please just drop it and leave us the fuck alone.
Sorry I made an error early. You're Not gentlemen you're assholes because you keep talking about people you have no idea about.
Fucking stop!
SB.
Thanks and a PM would be appreciated. I am sure Buuuddddy would be forthcoming since he says he doesn't care who his women see past or present or so he says. Have a good day all.
No lies Buddah man up
And BTW learn the law Jabba Use is a misdemeanor depending on quantity distribution of a controlled substance is a felony depending on quantity
Why oh why do you envy me so much?
You know no facts about me but you bash me constantly with your lues and allegations.
You and you bff think I am way more powerful than I am...if sasha and cc wanted to quit they could go to A2 and have me forever banned. He would help them in a heartbeat. Maybe I'm just smart enough to know the girls are my business and free will enablesthem to work however they wish!
Gentlemen, if you know Sasha or Cc please make this man stop lying on us.
Buddah.ENOUGH SQUABBLING!
Everyone please just untwist your panties.
There is a difference between the sparring matches that sometimes occur here in the Octagon that usually amount to nothing more than some cathartic steam release for the parties involved and amusement for the rest of us. This is not like that. This shit is currently being sprayed about this board with less discrimination than a cholera victim with explosive diarrhea!
If you folks want to throw shit around like monkey's in a cage, go for it, but when it starts flying around the entire zoo and hitting the visitors in the face, it is time to stop. Please take your shit tornado to PM! Especially when you include bantering around discussions of felony and misdemeanor behavior when the reality is we are all BREAKING THE LAW in this hobby we engage in and civil disobedience when we discuss it in a public forum.
Look, it is no secret that UTR / Buddah and I are far from friends. We are not even friendly. Most of that is my fault. I allowed a bunch of rumor and hearsay to convince me he was something he wasn't and it sounds like you two dipshits have bought into something similar.
I don't do business with Buddah. I am not friends with him. So therefore my "review" of him should carry some wait:
Is he an opinionated asshole? Yes, in spades.
Is he a shrewd business man? He is very experienced and knowledgeable, and careful, but he sometimes let's personal issues get in the way of his solid business plan, but who among us doesn't sometimes take business personal?
Does he really care about the ladies he works with or are they assets? They are partners. I won't divulge their arrangement, but in general, he handles all the promotion and organization for scheduling and logistics, they handle the excellent service. One thing you can't default the guy for, he takes safety VERY seriously. In fact, I probably owe Buddah an apology, because I once thought he was not discreet in a situation that caused me a few non-hobby problems, but in truth it was somebody else. The guy is nothing, but a locked bank vault when it comes to private details of both ladies and clients.
With all that said, UTR is either your bag of chips or he isn't. No different than anything else in this hobby. Vote with your wallet. Raising a ruckus on the board over the same old shit does none of us any good. Bringing in other activities that are frowned upon besides our favorite vice around here does nothing but to bring unwanted attention. Remember, united we stand, divided we fall.
You don't want me to put your life and your family info on here You would be well served to move on down the road.First a disclaimer, the use of the word you and your is used as the universal, I am referring to anybody not the OP in particular.
I'm not getting in the middle of this, you guys can fight until you both run out of breath here. But if anybody, EVER outs somebody or their family (His family, what in the FUCK are you thinking!) I'll have the Russians that write our code on that person so fast it will take their ass a week to catch up to their head. I'll have them out you, your business, your credit card info, your SSN, your drivers license number, all AVAILABLE public info will be posted on this and any other sex forum I can find. Hell if they can do it I'll have them add the person doing it to the VICAP sexual offenders lists. I'll let the provider publish whatever info they have on you while deleting the stuff you post about them.
I get it, you guys fucking hate each other, but there are some lines you simply don't cross, families are ALWAYS off limits.
A2
First a disclaimer, the use of the word you and your is used as the universal, I am referring to anybody not the OP in particular.
I'm not getting in the middle of this, you guys can fight until you both run out of breath here. But if anybody, EVER outs somebody or their family (His family, what in the FUCK are you thinking!) I'll have the Russians that write our code on that person so fast it will take their ass a week to catch up to their head. I'll have them out you, your business, your credit card info, your SSN, your drivers license number, all AVAILABLE public info will be posted on this and any other sex forum I can find. Hell if they can do it I'll have them add the person doing it to the VICAP sexual offenders lists. I'll let the provider publish whatever info they have on you while deleting the stuff you post about them.
I get it, you guys fucking hate each other, but there are some lines you simply don't cross, families are ALWAYS off limits.
A2Thank you A2 and well stated. I had a scam provider out me a few years ago and she thought is was funny.
I would never out his family. However that does not justify for any reason my statement made earlier so for that I do apologize to him, his family, the community and to A2. I am man enough to stand up and apologize for it to all concerned. Besides I would rather fuck women than with Russian technocrats any day. Sorry again to Buddah his family and to the community and to A2.
Big Mack.
I get it, you guys fucking hate each other, but there are some lines you simply don't cross, families are ALWAYS off limits.
A2And this is why your are the biggest swinging blue dick in the room. You go dude. Always good to see that reinforced for all of us.
Have a great day. Thanks.
Dz.
Member #4637
03-12-14, 06:16
It appears that some men (and I use that term loosely) feel the need to attack other men to compensate for their own inadequacies. Please, men with tiny dicks, just pay a woman to say "It's sooooo BIG!" and leave other men out here alone.
Can't we all just enjoy the hobby and stop being assholes?
I'm not being a dick. Big Mac decided to fall on his sword to make amends. He's asked to have his account deleted. He has also asked me to tell the community that he is really sorry for what he did and asks forgiveness.
I believe he is sincere and I applaud the gesture.
A2
Utr In Ohio
03-13-14, 00:07
Don't sign off. We can go back to leaving one another alone. No one here holds a grudge you just said something that wasn't true about me. I didn't do anything you accused me of but that the Octagon!
Stay around old man there's room here for everyone.
I also except your sincere apology.
Buddah.
PillowTalk69
03-13-14, 05:56
Don't sign off. We can go back to leaving one another alone. No one here holds a grudge you just said something that wasn't true about me. I didn't do anything you accused me of but that the Octagon!
Stay around old man there's room here for everyone.
I also except your sincere apology.
Buddah.Nothing said not true we know you from the old days and can name names but not on here. I don't know what he is going to do but do know in the old days on BD you were and would have been shipped What he did was wrong no doubt about it but what was said was said about you was true straight up concerning you. But I guess as he was told as long as the ladies are working for you of their own volition and all legal then no one cares so we go UTRadar. Times have changed for sure. Don't know if he is moving on I'm not but I didn't make his ill conceived statement. Nice of you to accept his apology but not true what has been said Nope. Have a good day and moment of silence not necessary but kind never the less. We are both very honest but his statement to you was wrong Even I wouldn't have said it and won't. Nice gesture on your part and on A2's. Have a good week all and stay safe.
My flight got rerouted, looks like I missed a huge wave of feels. There's no way everyone hates the handlers. No way.
307001
Member #4483
03-15-14, 11:32
Here's my unsolicited two cents -- I personally would NOT retract anything, especially since she apparently has a very bad reputation for repeatedly doing that kind of shit to a lot of different guys. If I were you, I'd insist on a total freebie (or at the very least negotiate a significant discount) for her wasting your time and travel expense earlier today, and then you can report on how well you were or were not treated after-the-fact.
I have personally wanted to see Blake for a very long time too (like back when she was living on Sutton in Mt. Washington, or more recently when she was living with her sister in NKY) and just when I'm starting to feel a little better about her and getting ready to drop the hammer, then something likes this crap inevitably happens and causes me to change my mind. It's happened over and over again.
While you're with her this evening, if it actually happens, please explain to her that there are way too many providers nowadays who do not conduct themselves like total fruitcakes and that she needs to get her head screwed-on straight or to go out of business again, like she always does, but somehow just can't seem to stay out! --SA007.
BTW, one of the things that has really been puzzling me for awhile is that as Blake, aka Charming Blake, gets older, she seems to get skinnier and skinnier (the Pics depicting the skinnier Blake are her more recent Pics). Do you think she might have located that "reverse metabolism" magic switch that so many other women (and men, too, I guess) in their mid-30's and beyond can only hope and pray they also find? Please ask her about that too!After logging in today, I discovered that I had a rather curt message from NOT SO CHARMING BLAKE. It appears to me as though she does NOT appreciate honest opinions or views from the customer base at large, and prospective customers in particular. I believe she is trying to dictate to me that one's opinions should be restricted to an "encounter" only (and only if and when NOT SO CHARMING BLAKE decides to actually show up to perform as opposed to leaving a guy sit nearby in his vehicle with his dick in his hand, which has evidently happened more than once with her -- especially after she moved from Sutton in Mt. Washington out to New Richmond).
WOMEN WHO DON'T GET BACK TO YOU OR FLAKE OUT ON (YOU): Appointments, who live in shit shacks or homes reaking of smoke, whose pics aren't them or look like shit when they show up or you come to see them, or are fucking druggies glassied eyed, reaking of pot, or have track marks or a history of drug use, VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS. Don't see them and most importantly pass the intell along to your fellow mongers. If they have been busted by Uncle even more so pass along the info. Vetting is not that difficult Ladies can help ladies vouching and men can pass along the intel to fellow mongers. When you cut them off at the wallet service will either improve or they will go back to being SWs whether they are escorts, SW's or work for agencies. If their service sucks let brothers know. Don't fuck around and say OH I think I will try them again and again and again. They depend on that shit. Then when they continue mongers piss and moan about poor service. Don't see them then the removal process will thin out the bad and the good will be left. JMO.
REVIEWS: We need more honest reviews. We hear all about how great she is "all the reviews saying she has a real job and doesn't need to do this" turns out she's just another drug addict. I guess all the people she's stood up is because she at home nodding off.I agree with Puntang Man and Dmaphukn, we need BETTER, MORE ACCURATE, and COMPLETE INFORMATION -- especially on the FAKES and FLAKES who apparently believe that we should refrain from being open and honest in our views and should shade the truth for them.
The bottom line with regard to NOT SO CHARMING BLAKE, as far as I'm concerned, amounts to an obvious difference in opinion about the definition of "encounter." NOT SO CHARMING BLAKE apparently wants us to think that "encounter" should be strictly limited to a provider's physical performance. I DISAGREE. The entire "event" from the first contact (call, text, email, or whatever) to the last contact (thank you, goodbye, go fuck yourself, etc)., and everything in-between, is the "encounter." IMHO, too many consistently "poor (and mediocre) encounter" providers believe they can operate any way they want and still get acceptable reviews and continue their sub-standard practices and, in some cases, their outrageous behavior, as long as they somehow make it up to us later. LOL, what a joke! This simply does NOT fly with me.
Accordingly, I will NOT change my views or opinions, or shade them, for any provider. If I'm NOT sure about something in particular, then I don't open my mouth about it until I am sure. But when I am certain what I'm talking about, then I think it's important to tell it like it is. And I don't especially care if NOT SO CHARMING BLAKE, or any other provider, gets pissed at me for calling it the way I see it.
Instead of NOT SO CHARMING BLAKE sending me a curt message accusing me of a personal vendetta (nothing could be further from the truth) or trying to impose upon me what she claims to view as disrespectful and mean, I think NOT SO CHARMING BLAKE would have done herself a much greater service by simply relying upon the positive followup reviews posted by GUNMAN2013 (see below). The curt message sent to me by the NOT SO CHARMING BLAKE (the now apparent self-appointed DEFENDER of all providers) is simply nothing short of STUPID. That's just the way I see it but, then again, it's just one monger's opinion. --SA007.
Ok well the 2nd go around went much better.
In call very clean & safe.
She was very clean.
No smell of smoke or excessive perfume.
We talked about the problems pm me for details.
She is a little on the skinny side but I thought she looked good.
Absolutely no signs of drugs or alcohol abuse that I could see she was very coherent.
Did we do it on the covers No again very clean maybe 1 of the cleanest.
Attitude 9.
Skills 9.
Friendliness 9.
She rocked my world.
We talked Agian afterwards she came across very sweet.
We all have problems of some type. We are human.
That's my report Happy Hunting.
Would repeat.
To each our own right? There are several providers on here some mongers rave about that I am like really?? Let's not judge we are here to partake and help each other out. I have been help on many occasions and only hope I can return the favor. I have seen many post were others have given 2nd even 3rd chances too. I am glad I gave Blake a 2nd chance. Like I said she rocked my world. Now if she was 30 minutes away or rates were out of this world then he'll no I wouldn't have but less than 10 minutes and reasonable. So that's my story and I am sticking with it LOL I myself am looking forward to April 1st. Happy Hunting.
JohnGalt10
03-15-14, 18:18
I'm not being a dick. Big Mac decided to fall on his sword to make amends. He's asked to have his account deleted. He has also asked me to tell the community that he is really sorry for what he did and asks forgiveness.
I believe he is sincere and I applaud the gesture.
A2 Come on Big Mack. We all fuck up. No biggie. Posted on here imbibing the Macallan 18 Scotch and said stupid shit, myself. Us old coots need to hear your posts, LOL. JG.
So this guy was banging some Paraguaya down here and doesn't realize until the end of the session that he had been with her before. She didn't remember either. Turns out he had done a threesome with her and her sister a year ago. He asks about the sister because she went off the radar a while ago and this chick says "Oh she's pregnant so she's not working but my younger sister just got here from Paraguay, you want to fuck us together next week?
So this guy was banging some Paraguaya down here and doesn't realize until the end of the session that he had been with her before. She didn't remember either. Turns out he had done a threesome with her and her sister a year ago. He asks about the sister because she went off the radar a while ago and this chick says "Oh she's pregnant so she's not working but my younger sister just got here from Paraguay, you want to fuck us together next week?Only waaay better!
ItsTimeToEat
03-16-14, 14:57
So this guy was banging some Paraguaya down here and doesn't realize until the end of the session that he had been with her before. She didn't remember either. Turns out he had done a threesome with her and her sister a year ago. He asks about the sister because she went off the radar a while ago and this chick says "Oh she's pregnant so she's not working but my younger sister just got here from Paraguay, you want to fuck us together next week?They typically pay more attention to you!
Several years ago, I was "visiting" with a friend and we were having a good time at her place. Somewhere around 2 AM, an older lady walked into the room and looked surprised. My friend and I were sufficiently inebriated and horny that we kept on doing our thing. The lady said sorry and then stood there watching. After a few minutes, I invited her to sit down near the bed, which she did. She introduced herself as my friend's mom and watched me drive into her daughter. She started squirming and squirming so I asked her if she wanted to join in. My friend had no issues with it and it ended up being quite an interesting evening. Needless to say, a great memory!
They typically pay more attention to you!
TheDaytimer
03-16-14, 15:24
I Need to schedule another trip down there.
So this guy was banging some Paraguaya down here and doesn't realize until the end of the session that he had been with her before. She didn't remember either. Turns out he had done a threesome with her and her sister a year ago. He asks about the sister because she went off the radar a while ago and this chick says "Oh she's pregnant so she's not working but my younger sister just got here from Paraguay, you want to fuck us together next week?
ItsTimeToEat
03-16-14, 22:26
Several years ago, I was "visiting" with a friend and we were having a good time at her place. Somewhere around 2 AM, an older lady walked into the room and looked surprised. My friend and I were sufficiently inebriated and horny that we kept on doing our thing. The lady said sorry and then stood there watching. After a few minutes, I invited her to sit down near the bed, which she did. She introduced herself as my friend's mom and watched me drive into her daughter. She started squirming and squirming so I asked her if she wanted to join in. My friend had no issues with it and it ended up being quite an interesting evening. Needless to say, a great memory!Touché.
ITTE.
Mom and daughter is still on mine. Along with identical twins.
I'm not being a dick. Big Mac decided to fall on his sword to make amends. He's asked to have his account deleted. He has also asked me to tell the community that he is really sorry for what he did and asks forgiveness.
I believe he is sincere and I applaud the gesture.
A2I not sure what Big Mack said. But it's the octagon and you got to take what is said with a grain of salt.
After hearing tales of Amon777's exploits in analingus, I have a much better understanding of why many providers will do anything but kiss. You just don't know where that mouth has been. Truly, an all-time low for monger humanity would have to be eating the assholes and / or excrement of Midnight and Ivy, if you're at all familiar with these girls, which I am briefly at least as far as Midnight. I almost wonder if he's making this up. And it of course turns my stomach. And, yes, I have addressed the issue through the ignore list, but can't help venting in this, the appropriate place for it.
I realize we are all perverts to someone. In fact, we may all be perverts period. Even so, let me just offer my personal preference that if your personal preference is analingus I would really prefer to never hear about it.
That is all.
After hearing tales of Amon777's exploits in analingus, I have a much better understanding of why many providers will do anything but kiss. You just don't know where that mouth has been. Truly, an all-time low for monger humanity would have to be eating the assholes and / or excrement of Midnight and Ivy, if you're at all familiar with these girls, which I am briefly at least as far as Midnight. I almost wonder if he's making this up. And it of course turns my stomach. And, yes, I have addressed the issue through the ignore list, but can't help venting in this, the appropriate place for it.
I realize we are all perverts to someone. In fact, we may all be perverts period. Even so, let me just offer my personal preference that if your personal preference is analingus I would really prefer to never hear about it.
That is all.To which, all I can say is: Amen.
Member #5260
03-17-14, 13:23
After hearing tales of Amon777's exploits in analingus, I have a much better understanding of why many providers will do anything but kiss. You just don't know where that mouth has been. Truly, an all-time low for monger humanity would have to be eating the assholes and / or excrement of Midnight and Ivy, if you're at all familiar with these girls, which I am briefly at least as far as Midnight. I almost wonder if he's making this up. And it of course turns my stomach. And, yes, I have addressed the issue through the ignore list, but can't help venting in this, the appropriate place for it.
I realize we are all perverts to someone. In fact, we may all be perverts period. Even so, let me just offer my personal preference that if your personal preference is analingus I would really prefer to never hear about it.
That is all.No Amon 777 is not making it up. Look at some of his old posts. He loves to eat buttholes and enjoys urine immensely. Likes it better than himself getting off.
PillowTalk69
03-17-14, 18:22
I like my pussy pink and au naturale. Piss and poop Give me good hot pussy anytime to eat, fuck, or consume JMO.
I like my pussy pink and au naturale. Piss and poop Give me good hot pussy anytime to eat, fuck, or consume JMO.About my own willingness to go down on providers. And I do wonder about this myself at times, and there are some who, well, just one look and it's not even a consideration even before getting to issues of scent. But I have been known to, and it's often just wonderful.
Alaska Tom
03-18-14, 01:21
Mom and daughter is still on mine. Along with identical twins.Twins?? HAH! Remember the identical Brazilian triplets from Playboy in the late 70's?? Ay Caramba!
Mom and daughter is still on mine. Along with identical twins.Discreet Desires of Dayton had a pair of identical twins available for duo sessions. I never took the plunge but they were very cute, spinner types. Too bad they are no longer on the roster.
Gunman2013
03-18-14, 12:32
Discreet Desires of Dayton had a pair of identical twins available for duo sessions. I never took the plunge but they were very cute, spinner types. Too bad they are no longer on the roster.A few years back I did a mother daughter twice. I still keep in touch with the daughter, the mother is now a raging crackhead.
Member #5260
03-18-14, 13:04
A few years back I did a mother daughter twice. I still keep in touch with the daughter, the mother is now a raging crackhead.Which one did you enjoy more?
Twins?? HAH! Remember the identical Brazilian triplets from Playboy in the late 70's?? Ay Caramba!Anyone remember the Dahm Triplets, and when they posed for Playboy?
Kenwood Jack
03-19-14, 07:46
Please, delete some of your PMs. I cannot respond to you if you don't..
To A2,
Is there any chance of ajax chat, whether or not it's incorporated into Vbulletin software that could be linked into this site for use for what you feel is 'true' seniors in this?
This way an ability to set times for discussion, (moderated of course) and the ability to enter the chatroom anonymously like user1, user2 like the designs found on livejasmin or other simple chat systems.
I'm fully aware of a serious hot spot, one that could be danger for anyone caught in this game in a whole different way.
I don't know anyone 'personally' on this board, don't think it's necessary either. Nothing against anyone but I have no clue 'who' I chat with both on this board or in PMs.
But I'll be damned if I'm going to associate my username to some factual statements and get carded against provider (s) which could then get used against the grain.
I got seriously spooked in the past couple weeks, had no clue how much was going down in a location and thinking I'm walking with the possibility if the door comes crashing in it's going to be bad, innocent or not. They-don't-care.
And no; not going to belt this info out unless I get some anonymity. More than once I've had this important intel that seniors need to know about.
I'd feel comfortable giving you personally the info but that's as far as it goes. You know who needs it from trusted ways.
Gunman2013
03-19-14, 20:15
Anyone remember the Dahm Triplets, and when they posed for Playboy?Yanked to that a few times.
Gunman2013
03-19-14, 20:19
Which one did you enjoy more?The daugther that's why I stayed in touch she had just turned 18 at the time had been seeing the mom when see laid on me that see had a daughter. I saw the daughter and a few days later saw her again and told her look I know this is hard but your mom is a crackhead and is just using you. It took s few months but she came around and is still clean "hangs" with me as a thank you.
To A2,
Is there any chance of ajax chat, whether or not it's incorporated into Vbulletin software that could be linked into this site for use for what you feel is 'true' seniors in this?
This way an ability to set times for discussion, (moderated of course) and the ability to enter the chatroom anonymously like user1, user2 like the designs found on livejasmin or other simple chat systems.
I'm fully aware of a serious hot spot, one that could be danger for anyone caught in this game in a whole different way.
I don't know anyone 'personally' on this board, don't think it's necessary either. Nothing against anyone but I have no clue 'who' I chat with both on this board or in PMs.
But I'll be damned if I'm going to associate my username to some factual statements and get carded against provider (s) which could then get used against the grain.
I got seriously spooked in the past couple weeks, had no clue how much was going down in a location and thinking I'm walking with the possibility if the door comes crashing in it's going to be bad, innocent or not. They-don't-care.
And no; not going to belt this info out unless I get some anonymity. More than once I've had this important intel that seniors need to know about.
I'd feel comfortable giving you personally the info but that's as far as it goes. You know who needs it from trusted ways.If you have information of serious danger to our community, you should let it out ASAP. You have the right to do so under the Constitution and various USSC rulings. HOWEVER, considering the possibility of personal attack by the costumed thugs known as the police, I can understand your hesitation. You can get seriously injured or killed in a police raid, that was set up by "mistake" in this country, and the entire system is going to bend over backwards to protect your attackers. Just search youtube for "police brutality" if you don't believe me. That being the case, if you want to give warning, go to a public library, access the site and set up a different username, and use that at the library to disseminate your warnings. There is then no way to trace it to you.
Cheech.
TheDaytimer
03-20-14, 18:26
Library usually computers block this site and other adult content dites.
If you have information of serious danger to our community, you should let it out ASAP. You have the right to do so under the Constitution and various USSC rulings. HOWEVER, considering the possibility of personal attack by the costumed thugs known as the police, I can understand your hesitation. You can get seriously injured or killed in a police raid, that was set up by "mistake" in this country, and the entire system is going to bend over backwards to protect your attackers. Just search youtube for "police brutality" if you don't believe me. That being the case, if you want to give warning, go to a public library, access the site and set up a different username, and use that at the library to disseminate your warnings. There is then no way to trace it to you.
Cheech.
To A2, I got seriously spooked in the past couple weeks, had no clue how much was going down in a location and thinking I'm walking with the possibility if the door comes crashing in it's going to be bad, innocent or not. They-don't-care.
And no; not going to belt this info out unless I get some anonymity. More than once I've had this important intel that seniors need to know about.
I'd feel comfortable giving you personally the info but that's as far as it goes. You know who needs it from trusted ways.I thought about this and decided to post it in blue, it's my professional opinion. If you're a techy guy and have better info, feel free to jump in.
We get these kind of things often so here goes; If you're using the forum correctly, anonymous email addy ect you should be fine.
If it's an issue, take your phone to a coffee shop and do it there. They aren't ever going to get our IP info. It's out of the country and no Cincy DA is going to serve an international warrant to bust a monger, that's just not going to happen.
Now the router at the coffee shop will save you're mac addy on it's routing table but that seems pretty extreme to me. I'm not 100% sure, but I would be very surprised if the routing table on a coffee shop router kept a log of what IP your packets were addressed to. I mean they would have the local 192.168 IP addy but that's meaningless, 100 people a day could use a local IP addy at a busy coffee shop.
Let me simplify this. The network card on your phone has a specific number called a MAC address, it's unique, it does identify a device. When you log into a network it associates your MAC addy with your local IP addy. However since it's local and using a 192.168 scheme, to then use NAT to get the message out, once you leave that address is then available again. The number of available address locally is 192.168.1.0 to 192.168.255.255 (sort of remember each octet only goes from 0 to 255) less the numbers reserved (probably blocks if the network guy knew his shit) for stationary devices locally (security cams, access points, ect) so they might only have 50-100 allotted for guests.
A little paranoia is good, but doing that through a VPN would have me real happy.
Of course the NSA can get it anytime they want but they don't care about hookers.
A2
Hey Austin66, What part of no reviews or commentary couldn't you read? Oops.
Member #4483
03-21-14, 12:02
I thought about this and decided to post it in blue, it's my professional opinion. If you're a techy guy and have better info, feel free to jump in.
We get these kind of things often so here goes; If you're using the forum correctly, anonymous email addy ect you should be fine.
If it's an issue, take your phone to a coffee shop and do it there. They aren't ever going to get our IP info. It's out of the country and no Cincy DA is going to serve an international warrant to bust a monger, that's just not going to happen.
Now the router at the coffee shop will save you're mac addy on it's routing table but that seems pretty extreme to me. I'm not 100% sure, but I would be very surprised if the routing table on a coffee shop router kept a log of what IP your packets were addressed to. I mean they would have the local 192.168 IP addy but that's meaningless, 100 people a day could use a local IP addy at a busy coffee shop.
Let me simplify this. The network card on your phone has a specific number called a MAC address, it's unique, it does identify a device. When you log into a network it associates your MAC addy with your local IP addy. However since it's local and using a 192.168 scheme, to then use NAT to get the message out, once you leave that address is then available again. The number of available address locally is 192.168.1.0 to 192.168.255.255 (sort of remember each octet only goes from 0 to 255) less the numbers reserved (probably blocks if the network guy knew his shit) for stationary devices locally (security cams, access points, ect) so they might only have 50-100 allotted for guests.
A little paranoia is good, but doing that through a VPN would have me real happy.
Of course the NSA can get it anytime they want but they don't care about hookers.
A2Gentlemen, the bottom line is that most local / county / state LE departments would have no idea what's being discussed with regard to a MAC address, etc., and it's highly likely they don't even care about trying to obtain such information. Think about it, it's really hard to request, demand, or otherwise investigate information that they don't even know exists, or what to do with it if they were to get it -- besides all that, obtaining a MAC address (which can be faked) does NOT, in fact, meet the burden of proof for proving anything. If a "pop quiz" were given right now, most local / county / state officers would fail, that is, would not be able to explain anything A2 said -- it's all Greek to them. YES, there are exceptions to every rule BUT, for the most part, at least in terms of right now today, they simply have no training or understanding of most tech issues. They are more concerned with obtaining "video" because it's something they understand and almost every establishment has it.
The Feds, however, are a completely different matter; they get it and they know it -- forwards, backwards, and sideways -- they are true tech gurus, for the most part. Fortunately, though, they are primarily concerned with "real" and serious crimes, not victimless local vice BS like pussy being for sale (where they really don't have any jurisdiction, unless it violates some federal law, and 99%+ of this hobby does not). I mean, after all, lest we forget anytime soon, it is a well-known fact that even Secret Service agents need and want to get laid periodically! Who doesn't, really! --SA007.
CharmingBlake
03-21-14, 12:18
With everything being said about LEO and Remmy etc. Has anyone asked how she's doing? I can't imagine leaving my "Safe Haven" under such scary circumstance's without wanting to. I hope you're doing ok Remmylynn. If you need anything, Call me 513*264*6864.
Kenwood Jack
03-21-14, 17:30
I accidentally deleted all of my contacts. I feel that I have helped this community out with honest reviews and painstaking detail. My whole list of contacts, gone! Please, I need your help!
To providers, if I am a regular, please PM me contact info again. If I have seen you, whether I gave you a good review or not, let's try again. If I haven't seen you, why not? Read my reviews. If you want to take a chance with this old, fat guy, let's go! Please PM only. Do not respond directly on this board.
To my fellow mongers, if you think I have been helpful to you with my participation, especially those of you with few if any posts, please share with me some one that might be of interest (please give basic info, at the least). It is time for you to pay back (or forward). Please PM only. .
Please help me to create a new, better than ever, contact list, so that I might report back to you, in my usual fashion and with veracity, for the advancement of the brotherhood.
Good luck with that when you reply to senior members who PM asking for info on some skanky ho you supposedly saw:
"I have read your most recent posts. Sorry, but you contribute no real Intel. Nothing given, nothing received."
I accidentally deleted all of my contacts. I feel that I have helped this community out with honest reviews and painstaking detail. My whole list of contacts, gone! Please, I need your help!
To providers, if I am a regular, please PM me contact info again. If I have seen you, whether I gave you a good review or not, let's try again. If I haven't seen you, why not? Read my reviews. If you want to take a chance with this old, fat guy, let's go! Please PM only. Do not respond directly on this board.
To my fellow mongers, if you think I have been helpful to you with my participation, especially those of you with few if any posts, please share with me some one that might be of interest (please give basic info, at the least). It is time for you to pay back (or forward). Please PM only. .
Please help me to create a new, better than ever, contact list, so that I might report back to you, in my usual fashion and with veracity, for the advancement of the brotherhood.
Dude, my contact list is the same one most everyone uses. It under, "Escort Classified Ads. Posted by Escorts. No Reviews or Commentary". Just look there.
If I did have direct unpublished numbers given to me by the provider, sharing them would violate the trust they put on me. Unpublished numbers are unpublished for a reason.
I accidentally deleted all of my contacts. I feel that I have helped this community out with honest reviews and painstaking detail. My whole list of contacts, gone! Please, I need your help!
To providers, if I am a regular, please PM me contact info again. If I have seen you, whether I gave you a good review or not, let's try again. If I haven't seen you, why not? Read my reviews. If you want to take a chance with this old, fat guy, let's go! Please PM only. Do not respond directly on this board.
To my fellow mongers, if you think I have been helpful to you with my participation, especially those of you with few if any posts, please share with me some one that might be of interest (please give basic info, at the least). It is time for you to pay back (or forward). Please PM only. .
Please help me to create a new, better than ever, contact list, so that I might report back to you, in my usual fashion and with veracity, for the advancement of the brotherhood.
Jack was good enough to share utr numbers with me and I returned the favor. I think his reviews are good and info he has given me has always been spot on. Just 1 Sr to Another.
CharmingBlake
03-22-14, 10:21
Jack was good enough to share utr numbers with me and I returned the favor. I think his reviews are good and info he has given me has always been spot on. Just 1 Sr to Another.Awe, See that is what this board is about, helping other's out.
SilkyWetness
03-22-14, 10:49
LOL I didn't know grown men used the term skanky ho anymore I thought only guys in high school still said that.
besides all that, obtaining a MAC address (which can be faked)I did not know you could do that. So to my other post I amend, download the app to spoof your MAC address and you're bullet proof.
A2.
Gentlemen, the bottom line is that most local / county / state LE departments would have no idea what's being discussed with regard to a MAC address, etc., and it's highly likely they don't even care about trying to obtain such information. Think about it, it's really hard to request, demand, or otherwise investigate information that they don't even know exists, or what to do with it if they were to get it -- besides all that, obtaining a MAC address (which can be faked) does NOT, in fact, meet the burden of proof for proving anything. If a "pop quiz" were given right now, most local / county / state officers would fail, that is, would not be able to explain anything A2 said -- it's all Greek to them. YES, there are exceptions to every rule BUT, for the most part, at least in terms of right now today, they simply have no training or understanding of most tech issues. They are more concerned with obtaining "video" because it's something they understand and almost every establishment has it.
The Feds, however, are a completely different matter; they get it and they know it -- forwards, backwards, and sideways -- they are true tech gurus, for the most part. Fortunately, though, they are primarily concerned with "real" and serious crimes, not victimless local vice BS like pussy being for sale (where they really don't have any jurisdiction, unless it violates some federal law, and 99%+ of this hobby does not). I mean, after all, lest we forget anytime soon, it is a well-known fact that even Secret Service agents need and want to get laid periodically! Who doesn't, really! --SA007.You could spoof your MAC address and also use raw sockets (get your mind off of sex for just a moment guys), something that IT hates in general when users try to do it since it screws up our traditional way of tracking someone.
Hence the reason that many companies are now using MAC address based access control. It not only provides better security but also lets you zero in on those trying to do things they are not supposed to.
BTW, a really easy way to help cover your MAC address tracks is to use a burner wireless network card rather than the one built into the laptop, you can get cheap ones for $20 at MicroCenter and toss them or use them based on your needs.
Member #4483
03-22-14, 15:30
You could spoof your MAC address and also use raw sockets (get your mind off of sex for just a moment guys), something that IT hates in general when users try to do it since it screws up our traditional way of tracking someone.
Hence the reason that many companies are now using MAC address based access control. It not only provides better security but also lets you zero in on those trying to do things they are not supposed to.
BTW, a really easy way to help cover your MAC address tracks is to use a burner wireless network card rather than the one built into the laptop, you can get cheap ones for $20 at MicroCenter and toss them or use them based on your needs.YES, but IMHO, it's easier to Fake, technically called SPOOF or SPOOFING, a MAC address for a computer than it is for a cellular / mobile phone, HOWEVER, even with MAC address based access controls in place, technically called MAC Filtering, a system can still be hacked, and relatively easily too by pro Hackers. Then, after they gain access to a particular network, the Hackers are able to SPOOF MAC addresses for all kinds of devices including laptops, cell phones, etc., which can result in doing some real damage. When MAC SPOOFING occurs, it pushes the responsibility for any illegal activity onto authentic network users. Consequently, the real offenders quite typically go undetected by LE, which really sucks because the system owner and authorized users are almost always the last to find out -- and they usually find out when the Feds come knocking at the door. --SA007.
LOL I didn't know grown men used the term skanky ho anymore I thought only guys in high school still said that.Skanky is making a comeback since that Breaking Bad episode.
Member #4483
03-22-14, 16:29
BTW, a really easy way to help cover your MAC address tracks is to use a burner wireless network card rather than the one built into the laptop, you can get cheap ones for $20 at MicroCenter and toss them or use them based on your needs.Great idea, and it's done all the time. Same goes for burner phones. HOWEVER, once again, there are prospective problems to consider and a few obstacles to overcome. . .
First, make sure you wear your Ball Cap with your Wig, Fake Glasses and Big Nose disguise, and then only pay in cash, because the in-store video and credit card data are retrieved all the time by LE. The problem with this approach is that you'll likely be taken to the local yocal's HQ and interrogated for attempted robbery for wearing such an alarming disguise into the store (except if you shop at Walmart. For more information, please Google "People of Walmart" to see some good disguise ideas), or maybe you'll be carted-off to the local nut ward for three days of observation for impersonating BOZO.
Second, as an alternative, you could send one of your so-called trusted friends into the store to buy it for you and, once again, they must use cash only, but, unfortunately, I believe this is a worse option than no. 1 above. When a person chooses to use this option no. 2, and after the proverbial shit hits the fan (and it usually always does), its how LE solves about 80% to 85% of its cases, that is, any time more than one person is involved in anything shaky it usually turns, sooner or later, into something akin to a Mongolian ClusterFuck because the so-called trusted friend inevitably rolls over and cuts a deal to save his / her own ass -- and then refers to you as a dumb fuck for coming up with the idea in the first place. So don't be a dumb fuck! In a really serious situation, never think your so-called trusted friend will remain a trusted friend when he's faced with a choice of either going away for awhile to the big house or giving you up in a heartbeat.
The third and best option, IMHO, is just old-fashioned planning ahead. Purchase all your needed merchandise about 8-12 months in advance of actually needing to use any of it and, as always, only pay for it in cash. By the time you start using your merchandise for whatever purpose you intend to use it, the in-store videos are typically long gone and, since you only used cash, there is no record of you EVER being there -- UNLESS, of course, you're so fucking horny and out-of-control that you actually cause a scene by humping the obese cashier's leg or pulling some other stupid, attention-getting stunt like PeeWee Herman did when he was caught choking his chicken in public.
So much to think (and worry) about, so little time. . . --SA007.
BTW, a really easy way to help cover your MAC address tracks is to use a burner wireless network card rather than the one built into the laptop, you can get cheap ones for $20 at MicroCenter and toss them or use them based on your needs.I fucking love this thread, I wouldn't have thought about that in a million years. Yeah that would be a GREAT way to spoof your MAC, because you wouldn't be spoofing it.
SilkyWetness
03-22-14, 20:35
Skanky is making a comeback since that Breaking Bad episode.Well in that case I can only think of a couple skanky hos I wouldn't give to my worse enemy LOL this is the phrase of the day skanky ho o hell no.
Sorry I'm bored it gave me a good laugh.
I fucking love this thread, I wouldn't have thought about that in a million years. Yeah that would be a GREAT way to spoof your MAC, because you wouldn't be spoofing it.Personnel VPN's seem to be coming down in price. Does anyone know if they help in hiding an identity? Just bought a USB networking card after reading these items
Bobby.
Personnel VPN's seem to be coming down in price. Does anyone know if they help in hiding an identity? Just bought a USB networking card after reading these items
Bobby.I always feel better if they are out of the country.
Here's the deal though and we kind of keep joking around it. The kind of investigation that this would entail is really fucking expensive. Serious network / security guys go for 150 an hour up. I just don't see the the in Cincy as having budget for it. So much easier, cheaper, faster to take out a fake BP ad or put a police woman on the street. I just don't ever see them cracking a coffee shop's ISP to find some guy looking for a hooker. (Ladies no offence intended with the H word).
The NSA is a different thing, but local Cincy... (correct use of an ellipse) I just don't see it.
A2.
...pulling some other stupid, attention-getting stunt like PeeWee Herman did when he was caught choking his chicken in public.To be fair, poor ole Paul Reubens was in an adult theater when he got nabbed. Geez, did the Sarasota cops really have nothing better to do that day than bust lonely pervs jerking off to Sandra Scream in 'Nurse Nancy' in the dark shadows of the seats in a porn movie theater? Considering the extreme stuff the cops do in that town (late in 2012, they arrested and threw a homeless guy in jail for charging his cellphone at a public park), it sounds every bit as bad as Cincinnati.
I wonder if Sarasota is where Sy Leis went after he retired; he'd sure fit in.
I always feel better if they are out of the country.
Here's the deal though and we kind of keep joking around it. The kind of investigation that this would entail is really fucking expensive. Serious network / security guys go for 150 an hour up. I just don't see the the in Cincy as having budget for it. So much easier, cheaper, faster to take out a fake BP ad or put a police woman on the street. I just don't ever see them cracking a coffee shop's ISP to find some guy looking for a hooker. (Ladies no offence intended with the H word).
The NSA is a different thing, but local Cincy... (correct use of an ellipse) I just don't see it.
A2.And a good network security guy actually bills out at closer to $300/ hr.
Chasing MAC addresses etc for a client is a low return for dollars spent kind of investigation that you're more likely to find a PI or media outlet doing. Usually this kind of thing is only worthwhile if you become a target due to something outside the hobby (say money laundering, bribery, extortion).
However, chasing an agency or trafficker that crosses state lines allows the use of Federal money and is the kind of worthwhile target that generates press for multiple LE departments and politicians, not to mention being able to apply for higher LEA grants the following year.
It's a all a matter of ROI just like business.
Great idea, and it's done all the time. Same goes for burner phones. HOWEVER, once again, there are prospective problems to consider and a few obstacles to overcome. . .
First, make sure you wear your Ball Cap with your Wig, Fake Glasses and Big Nose disguise, and then only pay in cash, because the in-store video and credit card data are retrieved all the time by LE. The problem with this approach is that you'll likely be taken to the local yocal's HQ and interrogated for attempted robbery for wearing such an alarming disguise into the store (except if you shop at Walmart. For more information, please Google "People of Walmart" to see some good disguise ideas), or maybe you'll be carted-off to the local nut ward for three days of observation for impersonating BOZO.
Second, as an alternative, you could send one of your so-called trusted friends into the store to buy it for you and, once again, they must use cash only, but, unfortunately, I believe this is a worse option than no. 1 above. When a person chooses to use this option no. 2, and after the proverbial shit hits the fan (and it usually always does), its how LE solves about 80% to 85% of its cases, that is, any time more than one person is involved in anything shaky it usually turns, sooner or later, into something akin to a Mongolian ClusterFuck because the so-called trusted friend inevitably rolls over and cuts a deal to save his / her own ass -- and then refers to you as a dumb fuck for coming up with the idea in the first place. So don't be a dumb fuck! In a really serious situation, never think your so-called trusted friend will remain a trusted friend when he's faced with a choice of either going away for awhile to the big house or giving you up in a heartbeat.
The third and best option, IMHO, is just old-fashioned planning ahead. Purchase all your needed merchandise about 8-12 months in advance of actually needing to use any of it and, as always, only pay for it in cash. By the time you start using your merchandise for whatever purpose you intend to use it, the in-store videos are typically long gone and, since you only used cash, there is no record of you EVER being there -- UNLESS, of course, you're so fucking horny and out-of-control that you actually cause a scene by humping the obese cashier's leg or pulling some other stupid, attention-getting stunt like PeeWee Herman did when he was caught choking his chicken in public.
So much to think (and worry) about, so little time. . . --SA007.It's all a matter of ROI and chasing down where a piece of hardware was bought and who bought it is not cost effective for a misdemeanor bust (BTW you won't find your MAC on the store receipt since stores don't track MACs, they track serial numbers and what are the odds of getting a company in the PRC to send you the MAC for a specific serial number in a timely fashion).
So purchase from a flea market, or off eBay or Alibaba if you're worried about being on film, order directly from the PRC and get a few burners because hey let's face it if you're going to be in the hobby and can't afford the cost you really shouldn't be playing.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-150Mbps-USB-WiFi-Wireless-N-LAN-Network-Adapter-802-11n-g-b-New-in-box-/331159879613?pt=US_USB_Wi_Fi_Adapters_Dongles&hash=item4d1aaabfbd
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-150Mbps-USB-WiFi-Wireless-N-LAN-Network-Adapter-802-11n-g-b-New-in-box-/331159879613?pt=US_USB_Wi_Fi_Adapters_Dongles&hash=item4d1aaabfbd
I fucking love this thread, I wouldn't have thought about that in a million years. Yeah that would be a GREAT way to spoof your MAC, because you wouldn't be spoofing it.Because spoofing does leave traces in the registry, local log files and in erased files on the hard drive which is something that LE can find fairly easily.
And yes the burner nic is listed in the registry even after you get rid of it unless you right click on the device and uninstall it first.
If you don't, well it can still be done other ways it just takes a little more work.
This is an old TID but it still applies to WinXP, Vista, 7, 2k3 server, 2k8 server and 2k12 server:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/241257
YES, but IMHO, it's easier to Fake, technically called SPOOF or SPOOFING, a MAC address for a computer than it is for a cellular / mobile phone, HOWEVER, even with MAC address based access controls in place, technically called MAC Filtering, a system can still be hacked, and relatively easily too by pro Hackers. Then, after they gain access to a particular network, the Hackers are able to SPOOF MAC addresses for all kinds of devices including laptops, cell phones, etc., which can result in doing some real damage. When MAC SPOOFING occurs, it pushes the responsibility for any illegal activity onto authentic network users. Consequently, the real offenders quite typically go undetected by LE, which really sucks because the system owner and authorized users are almost always the last to find out -- and they usually find out when the Feds come knocking at the door. --SA007.Maybe we should set one up.
A hacker does not plan on getting caught with their physical PC or laptop, they intend to use a compromised PC or network (s) for their purposes on any given day.
All of which is beyond the technical capability of 95+% of the guys on USAG.
But hey let's just throw some ideas out for fun since we're playing with low ROI scenarios..
I take my laptop, install VMWare on it and create a Virtual Machine. Then I change the MAC address of the virtual network card (we refer to it as a vnic) to any MAC address I want as long as I have a valid first 6 characters. You would want to use something other than a Microsoft or VMWare MAC because you wouldn't want to give away that you were working on a virtual, so you could appear to be a iPhone, Surface tablet, or just about anything (BTW you can grab the MAC off the outside of a box on the store shelf without ever actually buying the hardware). Now I take a router with DD-WRT on it, put it into bridge mode AND tell it to clone my MAC while I config it from within the VM and then I put it in my laptop bag with a 12 v battery all so that I can go down to some place with an open or easy to access WiFi, jump on that to book an appointment and post on USAG. After that I delete the VM, and because I am truly paranoid I created the VM on a MicroSD card which I then set fire to or even better shoot with a .22 .
Ok, so let's look at what I've done for all that effort..
I've spent quite a bit of time creating the false trail so that I could book an appointment and post on USAG.
AND I've taken what would be at most a misdemeanor and possibly turned it into a felony by violating the Patriot Act in the process (using that non-public easy to access wifi at the local hotel which you happen to have the key / password to).
Just like disaster recovery / business continuity planning it's all a matter of probable scenarios, ROI and a CBA.
Member #4483
03-23-14, 15:57
And a good network security guy actually bills out at closer to $300/ hr.
Chasing MAC addresses etc for a client is a low return for dollars spent kind of investigation that you're more likely to find a PI or media outlet doing. Usually this kind of thing is only worthwhile if you become a target due to something outside the hobby (say money laundering, bribery, extortion).
However, chasing an agency or trafficker that crosses state lines allows the use of Federal money and is the kind of worthwhile target that generates press for multiple LE departments and politicians, not to mention being able to apply for higher LEA grants the following year.
It's a all a matter of ROI just like business.I'm in TOTAL AGREEMENT! While this has been FUN, it's an Academic Exercise in Futility, IMHO, because IT HAS LESS THAN A ONE-TENTH OF ONE PERCENT CHANCE of ever happening with regard to any investigation involving "Pussy For Sale". For other, more serious, issues involving capital crimes, terror, financial scams, etc., etc., etc., then YES, IT IS DONE ALL THE TIME, but NOT for "Pussy For Sale" -- there would be too many of their "own" getting snared -- LOL! --SA007.
Member #4483
03-23-14, 15:58
YES, that's my opinion -- the PROBLEM with the INFO is the Substantial LACK of Material INFO.
I've read and re-read all the Posts, not just Dman's but also everything that everyone has had to say over the past several days on this specific topic, and while the information is good to have, without more, it's nearly impossible to discern what was actually occurring at that time. Who knows, maybe it will all come to light at some point in the future? However, an analysis of the info, that is, the few sketchy details that we have been given to date, when compared to known LE policies and operating procedures (all of which can be easily and lawfully obtained by making simple public records requests), leads me to believe and conclude that it was TWO ASSHOLES FAKING that they were LEOs.
The fact of the matter is that police, security, fire, and military BADGES are a dime a dozen, both real and costume, that is, badges used for theatre, film, and TV purposes (and costume badges are usually exact duplicates of the genuine badges but made extremely cheap because they don't have to last for years). While eBay, for example, has a policy of NOT allowing LE equipment and uniforms, including badges, to be sold on its website, their policy "ONLY" pertains to current-issue items. So hypothetically, if Florence PD bought new badges in 2013, or whenever, their old badges would be allowed to be sold on eBay (although, to be clear, the way it usually works is that the badges would be sold to a qualified dealer or someone authorized to act in that capacity (it's usually a highest bidder kind of sale) and then the dealer or some other entity down the supply chain would eventually end up with the badges, and then they would put them up for sale on eBay, as well as on a couple of other websites, and then probably also sell some of them at Police collector shows, in Police collector magazines and newsletters, etc). It's typically LEOs or retired LEOs who are in that kind of resale business.
Getting back to my questions concerning this BS incident, was there a request / demand made to see the alleged LE's Department-issued Identification Cards (which is a proper, normal request that legit LEOs have no problem complying with)? Possessing a BADGE alone PROVES NOTHING, it MUST BE ACCOMPANIED WITH A DEPARTMENT-ISSUED IDENTIFICATION CARD (and you are allowed to request and examine it). Did they have weapons / firearms? How were they dressed; what were they wearing? How did they park their alleged police vehicle? Did you see any police lights? How did they approach you after they exited their alleged police vehicle? How and where did they stand as they questioned you? Did they have police radios? Did you hear any police radio traffic, aka police calls? Did they ever talk on the police radios? What kind of alleged police vehicle were they driving AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY, what type of license plates were on their alleged police vehicle? Did they examine your Identification, presumably a Driver's License, and call or radio your YOUR INFO into the police dispatcher for a "Wants & Warrants" inquiry, which is indisputably SOP? Did they fill-out a field contact card, in other words, did they write down any information from your Driver's License onto a notepad or onto any other type of paper (which they would use to make / write a report once they returned to their HQ)?
My best guess is that NOTHING HAPPENED except TWO YAHOOS with FAKE BADGES tried to shake you down and / or *scare the crap out of you and, of course, it worked, so your brain froze like an iceberg and you did nothing else but try to lamely appear to cooperate in order to get the hell away from there as fast as you could -- induced by fearing you might be on your way to jail -- all of which is a natural, survival reaction / instinct. (*Why would they try to scare the crap out of you? Probably to run you (and many others) off and / or to run Remmy off (and it worked). ALSO, SEE my comments below about the owner / operator of that motel establishment).
The first thing I would have done, however, is to demand to see their Police Identification Cards because I would NOT have heard any police radios, which would have made me become immediately suspicious that they were FAKE. In situations like you have described, police dispatchers are extremely busy with constantly checking-up on the LEOs every 30 seconds or so in the very beginning of the event, and also sending additional back-up units to respond immediately to assist bona-fide LEOs. So their police radios should have been abuzz with radio traffic, aka calls (noise).
In addition, those types of situations are regarded as very high-risk "officer safety" situations and there would have been, at an absolute minimum, another 3 or more, probably at least 5 additional, LEOs on the scene within seconds, and at least 2-3, or possibly all of them, would have been wearing FLAK jackets and carrying / displaying high-powered weapons (fearing that you could be involved in some type of trafficking and possibly willing to shoot it out with them). What I'm saying is that the low or minimum show of LEO force that has been described does NOT equal the potential level of danger that LE has been trained to anticipate. NOTHING, and I mean absolutely NOTHING, in any of the information about this incident (and I'm NOT going to dissect nor explain every other issue that I believe there is) that I have read, is the way LE is trained to operate -- and Florence PD is a fairly up-to-date agency, so none of it makes any sense to me -- and that's why I believe they were FAKES.
Furthermore, after I had requested to see their Identification Cards, which they likely didn't have and couldn't produce, I would have excused myself and started walking away while dialing (or at least acting like I was dialing) "911" from my cell phone -- and telling the alleged LEOs that I was calling the police. I guarantee you, at least into the high 90th percentile I'm guaranteeing you, those two fellas would have jumped into their vehicle and sped away (and I would have obtained their plate number, if possible, and given it to the police -- cops hate impersonators). Oh, so now you're thinking. . .how am I going to explain my presence at that location to the police when they arrive? In the first place, you don't have to be there when the police arrive -- simply leave as soon as you can (you likely would have about two minutes to get out of there). Or, in the second place, if you decided to stay until the police showed up, it's not a problem to explain -- you were looking for a place to go to the bathroom, or you were looking for an inexpensive place to have some family / friends stay during their planned visit this upcoming summer, or you were turning your car around, or whatever you want to say, when you were suddenly confronted and almost robbed by two guys with FAKE badges -- or you really didn't have to call the police at all if you weren't looking to get nominated for your first "Academy Award". By walking away, you would have known immediately whether the two PRESUMED FAKES were real because if they were real, they would have taken prompt action to grab you by the arm to escort you back to their vehicle for further questioning -- but my best guess is those TWO FAKES would have quickly left you alone.
As a side comment, another thing I would have done, at the very least, is to call the Florence PD "anonymously" on a non-emergency line (which are usually, FYI, still a recorded line but do not always give the required audible beeping tone every 15 seconds) sometime later that same day and explained to them what had happened to me, again using the same kind of explanations given above for my being at that location, if asked, and then found out if they had any LEOs, or knowledge of other area LEOs, making that kind of stop at that time. And their answer would have very likely (90% - 95%, IMHO) been that they don't know what you're talking about.
REMMY LOCATION (03-18-14): Had a scary issue last week, let's say a friend did. After a regular visit at her location he was stopped by 2 men saying they were LE and what his business was at location.
Visiting a friend was his answer. We know what you were doing and with who... 2nd visit in a week too. Where do you get that kind of cash? He replyed I a just hang out with a friend of mine who lives there... They went on to explain what goes on there, how many guys are in and out, others have come clean and informed on her and have names, plates and video of them coming and going...Oh and I see you are currently married? Does your wife know where you hang out?? WTF scared the complete sh!!t out of him or us. We often share names and numbers so we both are on a hiatus from meeting anyone.
Remmy is a sweetheart and I hope she moves to avoid any issues but be careful as they are watching that area close and another provider across the street also. We are both unaware of the other girl?
Just felt we should caution everyone, that was too close of a call.
STOPPED ISSUE (03-20-14): Wow I see from all the uproar this board has changed from informational to just smoke and mirrors. I just felt obligated to let everyone know what was going on to avoid getting caught up in it.
We both have seen Remmy on numerous times and she is a sweet awesome girl. In no way was meant to reflect on her at all. In fact he txt her to warn her to get out of there right after it happened. For those in denial of LE's activities and tactics I hope you never experience it. I had a cop knock on my door at home last year asking why I was staying at a local hotel so much. Yea the replys I got were "yea right they would never do that" until others had the same thing happen to them.
I have my sources and I asked one what's going on in those area hotels he got stopped by. I was told that a drug arrest from a traffic stop led them to that hotel and the person as someone he had sold to. They go to the hotel owner and say look we know people in your hotel are dealing drugs and prostitution and if you help us we won't pull your occupational license or send you back where you came from. Most fold and give them the info they want not wanting them on there bad side. Legal?? I'm sure not but it is happening in NKY and I was told with the laws and politicians grandstanding on "human Trafficking" it is going to get very hot this summer. They feel like a sting with questionable legality's is ok if they don't get convicted they are outed to family, job, and anyone reading paper.
So in a rap up. We are just warning everyone what was going on. And I would hope you guys would do the same for all of us out here. Non of us want to see our mug on the 6 oclock news kinda a life changer don't you think.
UPDATE (03-23-14): Just wanted to update everyone on an interesting development in the incident I had reported about Eccono hotel nky. I found out this weekend the managers of the hotel were ousted by corporate and the workers there were questioned by them as to what's been going on there in reference to drugs and prostitution and if they knew of anyone there that may be involved. My source said 2 other employees were asked to leave and 3 other long term residents.The owner / operator (a married, dark skin foreigner) of that motel establishment, who I thought was the owner (but I could be mistaken, maybe he is / was just the general manager), is a total fucking dirt bag, IMHO. It's the primary reason I would NEVER visit that location. He was NOT and is NOT to be trusted. For one thing, that asshole has, or at least he had, more cameras on that property than Fort Knox, and every single visit was being recorded. Besides that, he knew exactly what was going on at that establishment, and he also regularly visits this USA and similar websites, so I'm NOT sure why he needed all those cameras except for in and around the front office (unless he was planning to use his recordings inappropriately). It would NOT surprise me to learn that he was the instigator, or at least played a big part in, the FAKE LEO scam. For what reason? There could be many reasons. Maybe he got the word that he was going to be replaced if he didn't clean the place up so he had a couple of Hillbilly Boy Thugs try to impersonate LEO? Maybe he was also pissed off because Remmy, or any of the other girls using the place, would NOT give it up to him for FREE? I do know he was definitely seeing some local providers and that several of them complained that he was a very rough, nasty, sick bastard, and they refused to see him again. ABSOLUTELY NOT is my answer; Remmy never told me any of this information and I have never discussed any of this information with Remmy. Even though I can only imagine that it's been a huge disruption and major inconvenience for her, I'm glad Remmy was forced to leave that location before something really bad and very serious eventually happened.
* * * I have a RECOMMENDATION for anyone interested in doing some reading and learning some important information -- do a GOOGLE search for a FREE PDF eBOOK called: "Arrest-Proof Yourself PDF" without the quotation marks, and download and read it. It's a 289-page eBook and a little less than 4.0 mb in file size. You can also buy a hard copy of the book at Amazon (authors: Dale Carson and Wes Denham) or wherever you wish. I think the book is well written in plain English and is a very good primer for everyone -- it should be required reading, IMHO. And if you are worried about leaving any "tracks" on the Internet -- try using: StartPage / dot / com instead of using Google (the most intrusive and not-to-be-trusted company in the universe, IMHO). I used to use SCROOGLE but GOOGLE more or less ran them out of business a few years ago. Alternatively, if you have trouble downloading the PDF, you may PM me with your MONGER e-MAIL ADDRESS and I will send you a copy of the eBOOK (as long as I don't get hundreds of requests all at once because I'm already short on spare time) * * *.
--SA007.
TheDaytimer
03-23-14, 20:25
Someone has WAY too much time on his hands.
YES, that's my opinion -- the PROBLEM with the INFO is the Substantial LACK of Material INFO.
I've read and re-read all the Posts, not just Dman's but also everything that everyone has had to say over the past several days on this specific topic, and while the information is good to have, without more, it's nearly impossible to discern what was actually occurring at that time. Who knows, maybe it will all come to light at some point in the future? However, an analysis of the info, that is, the few sketchy details that we have been given to date, when compared to known LE policies and operating procedures (all of which can be easily and lawfully obtained by making simple public records requests), leads me to believe and conclude that it was TWO ASSHOLES FAKING that they were LEOs.
The fact of the matter is that police, security, fire, and military BADGES are a dime a dozen, both real and costume, that is, badges used for theatre, film, and TV purposes (and costume badges are usually exact duplicates of the genuine badges but made extremely cheap because they don't have to last for years). While eBay, for example, has a policy of NOT allowing LE equipment and uniforms, including badges, to be sold on its website, their policy "ONLY" pertains to current-issue items. So hypothetically, if Florence PD bought new badges in 2013, or whenever, their old badges would be allowed to be sold on eBay (although, to be clear, the way it usually works is that the badges would be sold to a qualified dealer or someone authorized to act in that capacity (it's usually a highest bidder kind of sale) and then the dealer or some other entity down the supply chain would eventually end up with the badges, and then they would put them up for sale on eBay, as well as on a couple of other websites, and then probably also sell some of them at Police collector shows, in Police collector magazines and newsletters, etc). It's typically LEOs or retired LEOs who are in that kind of resale business.
Getting back to my questions concerning this BS incident, was there a request / demand made to see the alleged LE's Department-issued Identification Cards (which is a proper, normal request that legit LEOs have no problem complying with)? Possessing a BADGE alone PROVES NOTHING, it MUST BE ACCOMPANIED WITH A DEPARTMENT-ISSUED IDENTIFICATION CARD (and you are allowed to request and examine it). Did they have weapons / firearms? How were they dressed; what were they wearing? How did they park their alleged police vehicle? Did you see any police lights? How did they approach you after they exited their alleged police vehicle? How and where did they stand as they questioned you? Did they have police radios? Did you hear any police radio traffic, aka police calls? Did they ever talk on the police radios? What kind of alleged police vehicle were they driving AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY, what type of license plates were on their alleged police vehicle? Did they examine your Identification, presumably a Driver's License, and call or radio your YOUR INFO into the police dispatcher for a "Wants & Warrants" inquiry, which is indisputably SOP? Did they fill-out a field contact card, in other words, did they write down any information from your Driver's License onto a notepad or onto any other type of paper (which they would use to make / write a report once they returned to their HQ)?
My best guess is that NOTHING HAPPENED except TWO YAHOOS with FAKE BADGES tried to shake you down and / or *scare the crap out of you and, of course, it worked, so your brain froze like an iceberg and you did nothing else but try to lamely appear to cooperate in order to get the hell away from there as fast as you could -- induced by fearing you might be on your way to jail -- all of which is a natural, survival reaction / instinct. (*Why would they try to scare the crap out of you? Probably to run you (and many others) off and / or to run Remmy off (and it worked). ALSO, SEE my comments below about the owner / operator of that motel establishment).
The first thing I would have done, however, is to demand to see their Police Identification Cards because I would NOT have heard any police radios, which would have made me become immediately suspicious that they were FAKE. In situations like you have described, police dispatchers are extremely busy with constantly checking-up on the LEOs every 30 seconds or so in the very beginning of the event, and also sending additional back-up units to respond immediately to assist bona-fide LEOs. So their police radios should have been abuzz with radio traffic, aka calls (noise).
In addition, those types of situations are regarded as very high-risk "officer safety" situations and there would have been, at an absolute minimum, another 3 or more, probably at least 5 additional, LEOs on the scene within seconds, and at least 2-3, or possibly all of them, would have been wearing FLAK jackets and carrying / displaying high-powered weapons (fearing that you could be involved in some type of trafficking and possibly willing to shoot it out with them). What I'm saying is that the low or minimum show of LEO force that has been described does NOT equal the potential level of danger that LE has been trained to anticipate. NOTHING, and I mean absolutely NOTHING, in any of the information about this incident (and I'm NOT going to dissect nor explain every other issue that I believe there is) that I have read, is the way LE is trained to operate -- and Florence PD is a fairly up-to-date agency, so none of it makes any sense to me -- and that's why I believe they were FAKES.
Furthermore, after I had requested to see their Identification Cards, which they likely didn't have and couldn't produce, I would have excused myself and started walking away while dialing (or at least acting like I was dialing) "911" from my cell phone -- and telling the alleged LEOs that I was calling the police. I guarantee you, at least into the high 90th percentile I'm guaranteeing you, those two fellas would have jumped into their vehicle and sped away (and I would have obtained their plate number, if possible, and given it to the police -- cops hate impersonators). Oh, so now you're thinking. . .how am I going to explain my presence at that location to the police when they arrive? In the first place, you don't have to be there when the police arrive -- simply leave as soon as you can (you likely would have about two minutes to get out of there). Or, in the second place, if you decided to stay until the police showed up, it's not a problem to explain -- you were looking for a place to go to the bathroom, or you were looking for an inexpensive place to have some family / friends stay during their planned visit this upcoming summer, or you were turning your car around, or whatever you want to say, when you were suddenly confronted and almost robbed by two guys with FAKE badges -- or you really didn't have to call the police at all if you weren't looking to get nominated for your first "Academy Award". By walking away, you would have known immediately whether the two PRESUMED FAKES were real because if they were real, they would have taken prompt action to grab you by the arm to escort you back to their vehicle for further questioning -- but my best guess is those TWO FAKES would have quickly left you alone.
As a side comment, another thing I would have done, at the very least, is to call the Florence PD "anonymously" on a non-emergency line (which are usually, FYI, still a recorded line but do not always give the required audible beeping tone every 15 seconds) sometime later that same day and explained to them what had happened to me, again using the same kind of explanations given above for my being at that location, if asked, and then found out if they had any LEOs, or knowledge of other area LEOs, making that kind of stop at that time. And their answer would have very likely (90% - 95%, IMHO) been that they don't know what you're talking about.
The owner / operator (a married, dark skin foreigner) of that motel establishment, who I thought was the owner (but I could be mistaken, maybe he is / was just the general manager), is a total fucking dirt bag, IMHO. It's the primary reason I would NEVER visit that location. He was NOT and is NOT to be trusted. For one thing, that asshole has, or at least he had, more cameras on that property than Fort Knox, and every single visit was being recorded. Besides that, he knew exactly what was going on at that establishment, and he also regularly visits this USA and similar websites, so I'm NOT sure why he needed all those cameras except for in and around the front office (unless he was planning to use his recordings inappropriately). It would NOT surprise me to learn that he was the instigator, or at least played a big part in, the FAKE LEO scam. For what reason? There could be many reasons. Maybe he got the word that he was going to be replaced if he didn't clean the place up so he had a couple of Hillbilly Boy Thugs try to impersonate LEO? Maybe he was also pissed off because Remmy, or any of the other girls using the place, would NOT give it up to him for FREE? I do know he was definitely seeing some local providers and that several of them complained that he was a very rough, nasty, sick bastard, and they refused to see him again. ABSOLUTELY NOT is my answer; Remmy never told me any of this information and I have never discussed any of this information with Remmy. Even though I can only imagine that it's been a huge disruption and major inconvenience for her, I'm glad Remmy was forced to leave that location before something really bad and very serious eventually happened.
* * * I have a RECOMMENDATION for anyone interested in doing some reading and learning some important information -- do a GOOGLE search for a FREE PDF eBOOK called: "Arrest-Proof Yourself PDF" without the quotation marks, and download and read it. It's a 289-page eBook and a little less than 4.0 mb in file size. You can also buy a hard copy of the book at Amazon (authors: Dale Carson and Wes Denham) or wherever you wish. I think the book is well written in plain English and is a very good primer for everyone -- it should be required reading, IMHO. And if you are worried about leaving any "tracks" on the Internet -- try using: StartPage / dot / com instead of using Google (the most intrusive and not-to-be-trusted company in the universe, IMHO). I used to use SCROOGLE but GOOGLE more or less ran them out of business a few years ago. Alternatively, if you have trouble downloading the PDF, you may PM me with your MONGER e-MAIL ADDRESS and I will send you a copy of the eBOOK (as long as I don't get hundreds of requests all at once because I'm already short on spare time) * * *.
--SA007.
I fucking love this thread, I wouldn't have thought about that in a million years. Yeah that would be a GREAT way to spoof your MAC, because you wouldn't be spoofing it.A2, you just exchanged posts with Warlock. I've got to warn you, as a result of that, Warlock has cracked your security, is worming around inside your house and has made friends with your dog.
A2, you just exchanged posts with Warlock. I've got to warn you, as a result of that, Warlock has cracked your security, is worming around inside your house and has made friends with your dog.What? You mean Warlock is still into dogs. You'd think by this time he'd have moved on.
LOL.
Dz.
What? You mean Warlock is still into dogs. You'd think by this time he'd have moved on.
LOL.
Dz.I've got control of his dog through my custom canine brain control interface and have turned the dog into a four legged webcam..
Poor dog has now seen things he just can't get out of his head and BTW A2 you really need to put something other than water in his water bowl because he's going to have really strange dreams...
ROFLMAO.
I've got control of his dog through my custom canine brain control interface and have turned the dog into a four legged webcam..
Poor dog has now seen things he just can't get out of his head and BTW A2 you really need to put something other than water in his water bowl because he's going to have really strange dreams...
ROFLMAO.I'm insulted that you douchebags would even consider the idea that we would allow dogs to pass the portal at the Monger Mansion. We allow nothing but the finest Argentinian, Paraguayan, Colombian and Brazilian women in this house. We did have a fat chick at a stripper party once but she was ousted.
WTF.
A2.
TheDaytimer
03-24-14, 16:28
Comments in the section labeled with NO COMMENTS is becoming a regular thing.
How about adding a POP-UP before accepting the post that says
" If you have a PUSSY then press OK; If you have a DICK, you ARE ONE. Press CANCEL "
Greetings from the Great South. This is Chrissy, one of my favorite spinners, in what I have dubbed the "Wicked Games" photo shoot. This was taken last Friday and you can see the entire series on the Memphis-Escort Review board.
I'm insulted that you douchebags would even consider the idea that we would allow dogs to pass the portal at the Monger Mansion. We allow nothing but the finest Argentinian, Paraguayan, Colombian and Brazilian women in this house. We did have a fat chick at a stripper party once but she was ousted.
WTF.
A2.A2 started locking up the dog when the ladies came over after one of them commented on his chihuahua being hung better...
The next night one of the Colombians wanted to know if she could "have some fun with his dog" ...
The rest is history.
LOL.
Comments in the section labeled with NO COMMENTS is becoming a regular thing.
How about adding a POP-UP before accepting the post that says
" If you have a PUSSY then press OK; If you have a DICK, you ARE ONE. Press CANCEL "Personally, and Professionally I think this is a great idea. What I need to start doing is changing the user group of all the assholes that do it to Advertiser.
Glockman I wish my eyes had seen as much as your SD card in your camera. You are enjoying the good life indeed.
For those interested I posted a prego pic I took, in backpage advertiser reviews. Pretty sure that belly popped this week and breastfeeding is on the menu. (pushes baby out of crib-opens mouth).
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Anybody else see them? Damn I got to buy that girl some boobies and get her in the harem.
A2.
. . .because I'm already short on spare time.To call bullshit on that statement. Geeze, go get laid already.
LuvdaLadys14
03-25-14, 11:58
Anybody else see them? Damn I got to buy that girl some boobies and get her in the harem.
A2.They are much fuller than they would appear from pics or video in real life and she is definitely worth the trouble, trip, $$ or whatever else it takes to see..
Luv...always.
Kenwood Jack
03-25-14, 16:18
I am leaving the hobby. Thanks to everyone for making the past few months interesting and exciting. You may try contacting me in the next 24 hours for a last chance appointment but my schedule will be very hectic so don't be mad if we can't make it work.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE A VERY SPECIAL THANKS TO KENWOOD JACK FOR A FANTASTIC TIME AND BEING A WONDERFUL PERSON.
Thanks again to everyone on the guide.
Kelly aka CinciDoll aka blondebabydoll aka...Just bragging
Member #4506
03-25-14, 16:23
Just braggingKJACK who is going to replace her?
Member #4637
03-25-14, 16:50
Just braggingSo, you're saying you were so amazing, she wanted to quit while ahead? She wanted her last memory of the hobby to be you, KJ? I used to look up to you, man, but now I only envy you.
Just braggingOr she donates to you is bragging.
Gunman2013
03-25-14, 23:17
Just braggingYou fa man.
Kenwood Jack
03-26-14, 19:50
because I always wonder whose ass was on that bed an hour ago,
When I leave a provider's incall, I always seem to stink of cigarettes. In the future, I will take a plastic garbage bag in with me, deposit my clothes inside the bag, and put my clothes on right from the bag. This is the best idea I have had all day. All of you are welcome! I am soooooooo proud of myself to have seemingly solved a major problem in my life!
KJ.instead of a tip, I now bring with me a gift for each date: a brand new 50" x 60" throw - purchased for under $5 at Walgreens. The only splooge my ass is going to lie in from now on will be mine!
Member #4506
03-26-14, 21:00
because I always wonder whose ass was on that bed an hour ago,
instead of a tip, I now bring with me a gift for each date: a brand new 50" x 60" throw - purchased for under $5 at Walgreens. The only splooge my ass is going to lie in from now on will be mine!Never thought of that. I have a spray fresher in car.
because I always wonder whose ass was on that bed an hour ago,
instead of a tip, I now bring with me a gift for each date: a brand new 50" x 60" throw - purchased for under $5 at Walgreens. The only splooge my ass is going to lie in from now on will be mine!I guess because the reality is that the women we're seeing have been with many men the same day in many cases, what might be on the bed cover is less of a concern for me than what might be on or in the provider. I figure this is not a hobby for the squeamish in that regard. Plus, you just never really know what's on that bed cover in any hotel. But the $5 throw is a good idea for those who care.
The plastic bag is a really good idea. It might help prevent bed bugs too, which I worry about more than cigarette smoke. I just worry I'd come off looking like a wuss. But it's better than coming back with bed bugs.
because I always wonder whose ass was on that bed an hour ago,We're all related to each other. We're bedspread brothers.
We're all related to each other. We're bedspread brothers.Maybe everybody should sign the sheets!
Member #4506
03-27-14, 06:52
Maybe everybody should sign the sheets!Saving time, effort, and cleaning. Tide is very expensive. I use Dial before and after for the maybe bugs. My after shave has enough alcohol in it to kill the face germs. Not sure what use for the bottom of my shoes.
I guy posted this in a thread.
If you can cast your line in a college town, that's where you'll find the hot 18-20 YO hotties, looking for spending cash. The reason I prefer college town is because college girls tend to have a higher IQ and can carry a confersationYeah baby, I'm always on the lookout for a good confersationalist.
Seriously, I'm not smart enough to make this up.
A2.
I guy posted this in a thread.
Yeah baby, I'm always on the lookout for a good confersationalist.
Seriously, I'm not smart enough to make this up.
A2.Well, I am always looking for a lady who can use her mouth.
Maybe everybody should sign the sheets!I'll be taking a Sharpie with me and writing "Pinkeye Pete was here" on the headboard.
I guy posted this in a thread.
Yeah baby, I'm always on the lookout for a good confersationalist.
Seriously, I'm not smart enough to make this up.
A2.I think I would charge this guy extra for confersation.
MollyDaniels
03-28-14, 10:05
I just wanted to say thank you, again, to all the lovely ladies that responded quickly to my reference requests this month, especially Summer, Sandy, Scarlett, Sassy, Silk, and anyone else I forgot to mention here.
Thanks for being team players and helping to keep our community safe, sane, and fun.
Molly.
SilkyWetness
03-28-14, 14:13
I just wanted to say thank you, again, to all the lovely ladies that responded quickly to my reference requests this month, especially Summer, Sandy, Scarlett, Sassy, Silk, and anyone else I forgot to mention here.
Thanks for being team players and helping to keep our community safe, sane, and fun.
Molly.Shout out to you as well girlfriend.
ClassASweetie
03-28-14, 17:09
I just wanted to say thank you, again, to all the lovely ladies that responded quickly to my reference requests this month, especially Summer, Sandy, Scarlett, Sassy, Silk, and anyone else I forgot to mention here.
Thanks for being team players and helping to keep our community safe, sane, and fun.
Molly.More than welcome babe. I only wish all providers did refs. But for all the ones that do, that's what makes a team player. It's all about saftey and not just for ourselfs but for everyone in the hobby and business.
Greetings to my monger friends in Cincinnati. This is Nicole, a Memphis Belle who I visited yesterday. As you can see, she is drop dead gorgeous. Even better is the fact that she loves to suck my dick. What's there not to like?
Tobi Telford so nicely put it on another site regarding providers that have a higher consideration amount and I can completely relate to her and agree in a condensed fashion of what was stated...I couldn't have said it any better than she did:
"I am fully aware that my rates are much higher than most of the ladies in this area. I have my reasons for setting my pricing structure to what it is, and I realize that my consideration amounts do not fall in line with many gents' budgets. We all have our financial limits, and there's nothing wrong with that. But when I receive slander on public forums, PMs and text messages telling me that I'm "not worth it" and what not, I can't help but be appalled by the rudeness. I mean, what's the point in contacting someone just to tell them that what they're selling is overpriced? It's not going to change anything.
Everyone has budgets that they allocate to certain things, and that's perfectly fine. Paid companionship is a LUXURY, not a necessity. If I were selling water or air, that would be one thing (those are basic needs that should be affordable to everyone), but I'm not. My luxury is meant to be purchased with discretionary funds. It is my prerogative to set my rates at the amount with which I'm comfortable, and I should be free to do that without harassment or insults.
Whether your budget is $50 or $5,000, there are plenty of lovely ladies in the area whose rates are in line with whatever a gentleman's individual budget may be. So the solution to this perceived problem is simple: spend what you can afford and have fun doing it, but save the obnoxiousness and insults. I promise that telling me I'm overpriced is only going to waste both my time and yours, and it's just plain unkind.".
I use her statements as a prelude to explain why my rates have gone up yet again...as I'm just waiting for the new wave of PMs and texts on how I think I'm better than everyone else, and I'm not in Vegas, blah, blah, blah. Anyone that has met me knows that this is simply not the case. I am well aware of where I reside and I'm about as down to earth and sweet as it gets. My reviews more than uphold my value at my requested consideration amounts and I've certainly never twisted anyone's arm to fork it out.
However, that being said I have had the fortune in my very short time span of introducing myself to this of having offers from just a couple generous and wonderful gentlemen for ongoing arrangements. And while they are not asking for exclusivity at this time, I have decided to increase my consideration amount to limit my other bookings so that I may devote the time everyone is deserving of, myself included. I don't work a bunch, nor do I desire to, and just as you may be very selective about your providers, I too am very picky about my clientele. I want to make sure everyone's expectations are not only met, but exceeded.
If you have an appointment booked already, I will still see you at the prior consideration amount. I am so grateful to have met the amazing gents that I have and I do apologize if you now feel my increase makes it impossible to see me. I do not wish to offend or upset anyone, but we all have our reasons for doing what we do.
I'm not looking for an argument, or an ongoing back and forth, as I just wanted to announce what's happened to attempt to avoid the backlash.
Kisses!
Lila be.Sometimes it is just smarter not to poke a nest full of hornets. If you don't like hearing from those guys block'them and delete'them but don't invite them to refill your inbox. (Shakes head).
Greetings to my monger friends in Cincinnati. This is Nicole, a Memphis Belle who I visited yesterday. As you can see, she is drop dead gorgeous. Even better is the fact that she loves to suck my dick. What's there not to like?Would you organize a convoy to bring some of those ladies thisaway? You could stop as much as you like along the way.
RB.
Greetings to my monger friends in Cincinnati. This is Nicole, a Memphis Belle who I visited yesterday. As you can see, she is drop dead gorgeous. Even better is the fact that she loves to suck my dick. What's there not to like?Always a treat to see your posts Glockman. Maybe we should have a monger photography contest. The next verified provider with a board presence, ask if you can take her photo and she can use the photo for her ads if she likes. Winner will be judged by A2. The prize is bragging rights.
Who is in?
I guy posted this in a thread.
Yeah baby, I'm always on the lookout for a good confersationalist.
Seriously, I'm not smart enough to make this up.
A2.If you think his spelling is bad, you should hear his singing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvmfZxXUYGc
Member #4506
03-28-14, 20:44
Greetings to my monger friends in Cincinnati. This is Nicole, a Memphis Belle who I visited yesterday. As you can see, she is drop dead gorgeous. Even better is the fact that she loves to suck my dick. What's there not to like?I vote ahead of time in the contest Glockman's babe wins and no close seconds. I thought she love you because you took her picture.....thanks 4 the visit from down south.
CharmingBlake
03-29-14, 01:00
Tobi Telford so nicely put it on another site regarding providers that have a higher consideration amount and I can completely relate to her and agree in a condensed fashion of what was stated...I couldn't have said it any better than she did:
"I am fully aware that my rates are much higher than most of the ladies in this area. I have my reasons for setting my pricing structure to what it is, and I realize that my consideration amounts do not fall in line with many gents' budgets. We all have our financial limits, and there's nothing wrong with that. But when I receive slander on public forums, PMs and text messages telling me that I'm "not worth it" and what not, I can't help but be appalled by the rudeness. I mean, what's the point in contacting someone just to tell them that what they're selling is overpriced? It's not going to change anything.
Everyone has budgets that they allocate to certain things, and that's perfectly fine. Paid companionship is a LUXURY, not a necessity. If I were selling water or air, that would be one thing (those are basic needs that should be affordable to everyone), but I'm not. My luxury is meant to be purchased with discretionary funds. It is my prerogative to set my rates at the amount with which I'm comfortable, and I should be free to do that without harassment or insults.
Whether your budget is $50 or $5,000, there are plenty of lovely ladies in the area whose rates are in line with whatever a gentleman's individual budget may be. So the solution to this perceived problem is simple: spend what you can afford and have fun doing it, but save the obnoxiousness and insults. I promise that telling me I'm overpriced is only going to waste both my time and yours, and it's just plain unkind.".
I use her statements as a prelude to explain why my rates have gone up yet again...as I'm just waiting for the new wave of PMs and texts on how I think I'm better than everyone else, and I'm not in Vegas, blah, blah, blah. Anyone that has met me knows that this is simply not the case. I am well aware of where I reside and I'm about as down to earth and sweet as it gets. My reviews more than uphold my value at my requested consideration amounts and I've certainly never twisted anyone's arm to fork it out.
However, that being said I have had the fortune in my very short time span of introducing myself to this of having offers from just a couple generous and wonderful gentlemen for ongoing arrangements. And while they are not asking for exclusivity at this time, I have decided to increase my consideration amount to limit my other bookings so that I may devote the time everyone is deserving of, myself included. I don't work a bunch, nor do I desire to, and just as you may be very selective about your providers, I too am very picky about my clientele. I want to make sure everyone's expectations are not only met, but exceeded.
If you have an appointment booked already, I will still see you at the prior consideration amount. I am so grateful to have met the amazing gents that I have and I do apologize if you now feel my increase makes it impossible to see me. I do not wish to offend or upset anyone, but we all have our reasons for doing what we do.
I'm not looking for an argument, or an ongoing back and forth, as I just wanted to announce what's happened to attempt to avoid the backlash.
Kisses!
Lila be.Nicely written Lila♥.
Luv Blake xoxoxo.
Tobi Telford so nicely put it on another site regarding providers that have a higher consideration amount and I can completely relate to her and agree in a condensed fashion of what was stated...I couldn't have said it any better than she did:
"I am fully aware that my rates are much higher than most of the ladies in this area. I have my reasons for setting my pricing structure to what it is, and I realize that my consideration amounts do not fall in line with many gents' budgets. We all have our financial limits, and there's nothing wrong with that. But when I receive slander on public forums, PMs and text messages telling me that I'm "not worth it" and what not, I can't help but be appalled by the rudeness. I mean, what's the point in contacting someone just to tell them that what they're selling is overpriced? It's not going to change anything.
Everyone has budgets that they allocate to certain things, and that's perfectly fine. Paid companionship is a LUXURY, not a necessity. If I were selling water or air, that would be one thing (those are basic needs that should be affordable to everyone), but I'm not. My luxury is meant to be purchased with discretionary funds. It is my prerogative to set my rates at the amount with which I'm comfortable, and I should be free to do that without harassment or insults.
Whether your budget is $50 or $5,000, there are plenty of lovely ladies in the area whose rates are in line with whatever a gentleman's individual budget may be. So the solution to this perceived problem is simple: spend what you can afford and have fun doing it, but save the obnoxiousness and insults. I promise that telling me I'm overpriced is only going to waste both my time and yours, and it's just plain unkind.".
I use her statements as a prelude to explain why my rates have gone up yet again...as I'm just waiting for the new wave of PMs and texts on how I think I'm better than everyone else, and I'm not in Vegas, blah, blah, blah. Anyone that has met me knows that this is simply not the case. I am well aware of where I reside and I'm about as down to earth and sweet as it gets. My reviews more than uphold my value at my requested consideration amounts and I've certainly never twisted anyone's arm to fork it out.
However, that being said I have had the fortune in my very short time span of introducing myself to this of having offers from just a couple generous and wonderful gentlemen for ongoing arrangements. And while they are not asking for exclusivity at this time, I have decided to increase my consideration amount to limit my other bookings so that I may devote the time everyone is deserving of, myself included. I don't work a bunch, nor do I desire to, and just as you may be very selective about your providers, I too am very picky about my clientele. I want to make sure everyone's expectations are not only met, but exceeded.
If you have an appointment booked already, I will still see you at the prior consideration amount. I am so grateful to have met the amazing gents that I have and I do apologize if you now feel my increase makes it impossible to see me. I do not wish to offend or upset anyone, but we all have our reasons for doing what we do.
I'm not looking for an argument, or an ongoing back and forth, as I just wanted to announce what's happened to attempt to avoid the backlash.
Kisses!
Lila be.You don't get STEAK for Hamburger prices! I like STEAK! Quality over quanity every time!
Jesus Christ that's funny. I'm going to masturbate to a box of Chips Ahoy cookies. I set the bar pretty fking high.
Member #4506
03-29-14, 05:32
Nicely written Lila♥.
Luv Blake xoxoxo.I gave Toby a piece of my mind and she didn't like it. I have made 6 figures and had to work 60 hrs a week and pay taxes.
Doctors don't make 100 hr. There are some exceptions. But they work 60-70 hrs. I found that most of the gals don't know what.
20 hrs a week is. Give me a break. $50 hr times 40 hrs =2000 and no taxes you gals don't want to have to work. The debut will go on.
Member #5260
03-29-14, 06:42
It's funny as I remember a few weeks ago she was on her getting into it with us and now I see she is raising her rates. I know she initially posted in all the different cities in Ohio and since I travel throughout the state I like to keep tabs on each city. Since we had the pissing contest with her 3 or 4 weeks ago, I haven't read one review on her anywhere. Wonder why. Do the people that pay her fee not write reviews? Or maybe she isn't getting much biz as she thinks.
Member #4483
03-29-14, 08:45
Tobi Telford so nicely put it on another site regarding providers that have a higher consideration amount and I can completely relate to her and agree in a condensed fashion of what was stated...I couldn't have said it any better than she did:
"I am fully aware that my rates are much higher than most of the ladies in this area. I have my reasons for setting my pricing structure to what it is, and I realize that my consideration amounts do not fall in line with many gents' budgets. We all have our financial limits, and there's nothing wrong with that. But when I receive slander on public forums, PMs and text messages telling me that I'm "not worth it" and what not, I can't help but be appalled by the rudeness. I mean, what's the point in contacting someone just to tell them that what they're selling is overpriced? It's not going to change anything.
Everyone has budgets that they allocate to certain things, and that's perfectly fine. Paid companionship is a LUXURY, not a necessity. If I were selling water or air, that would be one thing (those are basic needs that should be affordable to everyone), but I'm not. My luxury is meant to be purchased with discretionary funds. It is my prerogative to set my rates at the amount with which I'm comfortable, and I should be free to do that without harassment or insults.
Whether your budget is $50 or $5,000, there are plenty of lovely ladies in the area whose rates are in line with whatever a gentleman's individual budget may be. So the solution to this perceived problem is simple: spend what you can afford and have fun doing it, but save the obnoxiousness and insults. I promise that telling me I'm overpriced is only going to waste both my time and yours, and it's just plain unkind.".
I use her statements as a prelude to explain why my rates have gone up yet again...as I'm just waiting for the new wave of PMs and texts on how I think I'm better than everyone else, and I'm not in Vegas, blah, blah, blah. Anyone that has met me knows that this is simply not the case. I am well aware of where I reside and I'm about as down to earth and sweet as it gets. My reviews more than uphold my value at my requested consideration amounts and I've certainly never twisted anyone's arm to fork it out.
However, that being said I have had the fortune in my very short time span of introducing myself to this of having offers from just a couple generous and wonderful gentlemen for ongoing arrangements. And while they are not asking for exclusivity at this time, I have decided to increase my consideration amount to limit my other bookings so that I may devote the time everyone is deserving of, myself included. I don't work a bunch, nor do I desire to, and just as you may be very selective about your providers, I too am very picky about my clientele. I want to make sure everyone's expectations are not only met, but exceeded.
If you have an appointment booked already, I will still see you at the prior consideration amount. I am so grateful to have met the amazing gents that I have and I do apologize if you now feel my increase makes it impossible to see me. I do not wish to offend or upset anyone, but we all have our reasons for doing what we do.
I'm not looking for an argument, or an ongoing back and forth, as I just wanted to announce what's happened to attempt to avoid the backlash.
Kisses!
Lila be.GOOD FOR YOU, Lila Bella! I think you should charge whatever you want for your goods and services -- your prices should reflect whatever the market will bear (or, in your case, bare).
And I understand your desire to hike your rates, that is, there is no question that you are very attractive and obviously NOT a streetwalker-turned-escort like some other providers who post here. Besides, at your present age, I think I also understand that you need to make all you can as quickly as you can since your clock is inevitably ticking softer and softer and will be winding down very soon. Put another way, at this stage in your life, gravity is working against you and I do NOT believe that prime-time will be on your side much longer, but that's just my opinion. So I say, get it while you can! GO, GIRL, GO!
What I do NOT understand, however, is why you post here in the first place? After all, you have been posting on the "arrangement" websites (see attached Pic) apparently hoping to hook a big fish and, according to your story, you have hooked two (amazing gents). So I'm just a little curious why you are messing around and wasting your time here, and on the other sites akin to this site, with what I'm guessing is probably a fairly large population of prospective clientele that will NOT meet your "picky" standards and / or who cannot or will NOT meet your high asking price, especially after you have admittedly already caught the big fish -- times two? Have you ever heard of the 80/20 Rule? Or how about a fundamental economic principle known as the Law of Diminishing Returns? In any case, I think YOU ARE SO LUCKY because most providers who advertise here could never command your high rates and, not only that, most of them will very likely never be able to land one amazing big fish, much less TWO AMAZING BIG FISH! YOU ARE JUST SO DARN LUCKY, IMHO! CONGRATULATIONS!
But there is something else I do NOT understand. It concerns your TWO AMAZING BIG FISH story and I am hoping to figure it out (just in case I ever become an amazing big fish myself). I do NOT get why TWO AMAZING BIG FISH (my words, not yours) who are "just a couple generous and wonderful gentlemen" (your words, not mine) are willing to be so "generous and wonderful" WITHOUT REQUIRING EXCLUSIVITY? How does that work exactly?
Now I just want to get this straight in my mind. So you found TWO AMAZING BIG FISH who are apparently, I'm guessing, willing to pay you more than your advertised rates for what I believe you called an "ongoing arrangement," but these TWO AMAZING BIG FISH do NOT want exclusivity (seriously), meaning you are still allowed to fuck us not-so-generous and not-so-wonderful guys in what I guess would then have to be called a "NON-ongoing arrangement?"
Well if that's the case, does it mean that I, or anyone else who might pass your "picky" test (which I presume is NOT about money, rather it's only about your "fussiness" in selecting your clientele), could book you 1-x to 15-x or whatever per week as long as we were willing to pay your advertised rates? My point about your story is that I am really struggling to see the advantages and benefits that the TWO AMAZING BIG FISH are going to receive in a "NON-EXCLUSIVE" ongoing arrangement with you. Unless you are charging the TWO AMAZING BIG FISH less than your advertised rates (for example, something akin to a baker's dozen), which I seriously doubt because what would be the point of locking yourself into an "ongoing arrangement" when you could just alternatively implement some kind of frequency marketing program for everyone, for example, a "Cum Fuck Me Lots" discount (Buy 5, Get 1 Free -- or whatever)?
After thinking about your story, or maybe I should refer to it as an announcement, and all of the various possible nuances of having a "NON-EXCLUSIVE Ongoing Arrangement" while at the same time continuing to fuck not-so-generous and not-so-wonderful clientele here on this board as well as around the country, my best guesses are: (1) YOU are FULL of CRAP and just made the whole thing up as a marketing strategy to hike your rates, that is, you are trying to create the appearance of a big demand and very limited supply; (2) YOU are DELUSIONAL and actually believe your own BS; (3) YOU are going through an IDENTITY CRISIS (are you an escort, a courtesan, etc., etc., etc.?) and should seek professional help; (4) YOU are still hoping to catch one big fish thus the reason you are still advertising everywhere; (5) Your TWO AMAZING BIG FISHes are FULL of CRAP, or just plain idiots, and will turn out to be NOT-SO-GENEROUS and NOT-SO-WONDERFUL in the end; and / or, (6) INSERT OTHER MONGER THEORIES HERE.
All of my statements, comments, and questions are, of course, rhetorical -- meaning am I neither seeking nor expecting any answers or explanations, Lila, since I am NOT, as you say, looking for an argument, or an ongoing back and forth, blah, blah, blah. I am merely thinking out loud, so to speak, about your pretentious advertisement / announcement.
It's funny as I remember a few weeks ago she was on her getting into it with us and now I see she is raising her rates. I know she initially posted in all the different cities in Ohio and since I travel throughout the state I like to keep tabs on each city. Since we had the pissing contest with her 3 or 4 weeks ago, I haven't read one review on her anywhere. Wonder why. Do the people that pay her fee not write reviews? Or maybe she isn't getting much biz as she thinks.I see she currently has 8 reviews on aNotheR review site, 4 of which are from March, so it isn't true that she isn't being reviewed anywhere. Maybe she's just not picking up any business from this site, and, therefore, hasn't been reviewed here? Anyway, I recognize the handles of two the reviewers on that other site, so I don't think they are shill reviews.
And I understand your desire to hike your rates, that is, there is no question that you are very attractive.Clearly she believes she can charge that rate, and given her reviews on various sites, there are gents out there that are paying her rate and claim it is a once in a lifetime experience.
W e.
A ll.
L ike.
D ifferent.
T hings.
If she is happy, and her clients are happy, what business is it of ours?
Her only folly was posting her announcement / advertisement here at the Hobby K-mart where most guys are always hunting for the blue-light special.
Personally, she seems very attractive (I especially like her eyes) and would easily fulfill my hot soccer mom MILF fetish, but I am not sure I am willing to part with the cabbage to pay her rate. That doesn't mean I won't, I might still decide to splurge.
No matter what I decide, I am certainly not going to whine about what she chooses to charge. For me (and perhaps others) it doesn't really boil down to not being able to afford her as much as it does realizing the reality that as beautiful as she is, there are a few of my favorite ladies here that are just as attractive and have proven they can ring all my bells and whistles BCD at a third of the cost of one session with Lila.
What I am curious about, is that her P411 profile claims she has also offers Porn Star Service. Do I have any backers to help me raise the capital to hire her as a porn actress for an upcoming PhatDaty Production?
ChickaAmante
03-29-14, 15:00
Lila has made it plenty clear that she wants to charge higher for her time and there is nothing wrong about it. However, she must realize that the majority (speculating here) on this site prefer the range that EE and some others have to offer. There's plenty good talent and service for that range. So, maybe there are other forums/sites for Lila etc to target their ads??..just saying as this is Octagon after all ... I respect everyone's choices to place ads here but its providing the reason for folks to beat the dead horse.. I'm only suggesting that we remove the dead horse and sticks out of sight.
Lila, if you are getting clientele from this site, no change needed.. If not, you could seriously reconsider your strategy to advertise here and save us all some drama... if you've got suggadaddies already, then why start this 'increase in rates' thread everywhere.. I've seen it elsewhere as well..
My personal choice is that even if Lila offered specials, I will still pass...lastly, who is tobi?
Member #5083
03-29-14, 15:24
Lila has made it plenty clear that she wants to charge higher for her time and there is nothing wrong about it. However, she must realize that the majority (speculating here) on this site prefer the range that EE and some others have to offer. There's plenty good talent and service for that range. So, maybe there are other forums/sites for Lila etc to target their ads??..just saying as this is Octagon after all ... I respect everyone's choices to place ads here but its providing the reason for folks to beat the dead horse.. I'm only suggesting that we remove the dead horse and sticks out of sight.
Lila, if you are getting clientele from this site, no change needed.. If not, you could seriously reconsider your strategy to advertise here and save us all some drama... if you've got suggadaddies already, then why start this 'increase in rates' thread everywhere.. I've seen it elsewhere as well..
My personal choice is that even if Lila offered a 100 hr specials, I will still pass... Lastly, WTF is Tobi Telford?
I agree with you regarding Lila. Her photos do nothing for me either. However, there are a lot of guys out there who will go for the polished, courtesan aspect to her ads and website. It wouldn't surprise me if she is getting the price she is asking? There are many providers who mongers rave about on here that I wouldn't do for free. Some mongers say the higher priced, better looking providers don't provide good service. That's a myth, there are many who do, as there are many ugly ones who will rip you off as well. BTW, here is a link to Tobi Telford's site.
http://www.tobitelford.com/photo_album/203871/Summer_2013/
Member #4483
03-29-14, 15:43
Lila has made it plenty clear that she wants to charge higher for her time and there is nothing wrong about it. However, she must realize that the majority (speculating here) on this site prefer the range that EE and some others have to offer. There's plenty good talent and service for that range. So, maybe there are other forums/sites for Lila etc to target their ads??..just saying as this is Octagon after all ... I respect everyone's choices to place ads here but its providing the reason for folks to beat the dead horse.. I'm only suggesting that we remove the dead horse and sticks out of sight.
Lila, if you are getting clientele from this site, no change needed.. If not, you could seriously reconsider your strategy to advertise here and save us all some drama... if you've got suggadaddies already, then why start this 'increase in rates' thread everywhere.. I've seen it elsewhere as well..
My personal choice is that even if Lila offered specials, I will still pass...lastly, who is tobi?GoTo: www.TobiTelford.com and read (and gawk, if you like, at a bunch of faceless images) until your heart's content!
If she is happy, and her clients are happy, what business is it of ours?I absolutely agree!
Her only folly was posting her announcement / advertisement here at the Hobby K-mart where most guys are always hunting for the blue-light special.This, too, is very true! Her announcement / advertisement really makes little sense to me (it's what I get for having a pea-sized brain). To be clear, I never said she shouldn't post it, or that she doesn't have the right to post it (as a matter of fact, I actually enjoy looking at her pics, and much more so now that she has stopped trying to copy or emulate Tobi Telford with the Photoshop face blurring BS). My only point is that her announcement / advertisement is nonsensical to me. I just don't really see the need or get the purpose? I suspect somewhere along the way that she, or an adviser to her, thought it was a good idea and so she ran with it and has never stopped to consider or evaluate it's effectiveness one way or the other. --SA007.
Member #4506
03-29-14, 15:45
I agree with you regarding Lila. Her photos do nothing for me either. However, there are a lot of guys out there who will go for the polished, courtesan aspect to her ads and website. It wouldn't surprise me if she is getting the price she is asking? There are many providers who mongers rave about on here that I wouldn't do for free. Some mongers say the higher priced, better looking providers don't provide good service. That's a myth, there are many who do, as there are many ugly ones that will rip you off as well. BTW, here is a link to Tobi Telford's site.
http://www.tobitelford.com/photo_album/203871/Summer_2013/I gave her a piece of my mind. This ridiculous what she's about. IMHO.
There are going to be guys looking on this site who are looking for way upper end girls. You won't know that they are here, because they won't register, or if they do they will never post. These guys are in positions where they believe that if it became known that they are in the hobby their positions would be in jeopardy. And, they are most likely right. So, they lurk and look for high end providers who they are much less likely to have legal problems with. These guys can afford 300,400, 500 an hour for a girl. For a guy like me, if I get popped with a girl, I'll fight it, I'll get a jury trial if I have to, I don't care about publicity, I'm divorced, and I've already done time and I'm not afraid to do more if I have to. For a successful doctor, lawyer, maybe a high end executive, its a different story, those guys know that even a brush with the hobby could be fatal to their 20,30, 40 grand a month or more incomes. Yeah, they still buy punanni, but they are very very discrete.
And that's why girls may keep an ad in, they know the "big fish" they have isn't going to be there forever. They know those guys crave something new, just like we do, that's why they are in the hobby instead of just fucking their S.O.s. They want variety and the girls who do that kind of business know it, and keep their hand in looking for the next one.
Cheech
Member #5083
03-29-14, 16:32
There are going to be guys looking on this site who are looking for way upper end girls. You won't know that they are here, because they won't register, or if they do they will never post. These guys are in positions where they believe that if it became known that they are in the hobby their positions would be in jeopardy. And, they are most likely right. So, they lurk and look for high end providers who they are much less likely to have legal problems with. These guys can afford 300,400, 500 an hour for a girl. For a guy like me, if I get popped with a girl, I'll fight it, I'll get a jury trial if I have to, I don't care about publicity, I'm divorced, and I've already done time and I'm not afraid to do more if I have to. For a successful doctor, lawyer, maybe a high end executive, its a different story, those guys know that even a brush with the hobby could be fatal to their 20,30, 40 grand a month or more incomes. Yeah, they still buy punanni, but they are very very discrete.
And that's why girls may keep an ad in, they know the "big fish" they have isn't going to be there forever. They know those guys crave something new, just like we do, that's why they are in the hobby instead of just fucking their S.O.s. They want variety and the girls who do that kind of business know it, and keep their hand in looking for the next one.
CheechJust because you are charging 3.0 to 5.0 doesn't mean your are upper end. Having spent that price, an more, in the case of Lila, I don't think she reaches that status and I think there are much better values out there locally relative to looks.
Just because you are charging 3.0 to 5.0 doesn't mean your are upper end. Having spent that price, an more, in the case of Lila, I don't think she reaches that status and I think there are much better values out there locally.Not to mention, but for $500 I could have 2 dates with Sasha and Cupcake combined (or 1 date with them cloned and a 5-way? And I can't think of any single girl who could approach that level of fun for $500 for a single hour.
But again, has been stated, different strokes different folks, YMMV, etc etc.
Bless her little heart if she can get the business she wants / needs to be happy at those rates. Just not my cup of tea. Give me 5 half hours with Sassy for that much money any day of the week.
CharmingBlake
03-29-14, 16:51
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A2
Member #5083
03-29-14, 18:06
Not to mention, but for $500 I could have 2 dates with Sasha and Cupcake combined (or 1 date with them cloned and a 5-way? And I can't think of any single girl who could approach that level of fun for $500 for a single hour.
But again, has been stated, different strokes different folks, YMMV, etc etc.
Bless her little heart if she can get the business she wants / needs to be happy at those rates. Just not my cup of tea. Give me 5 half hours with Sassy for that much money any day of the week.I agree, but sometimes I seek variety and will spend a little more if I think it is worth it. I don't know where Lila or some of the other higher priced girls operate, but I would at least expect a Hampton, Fairfield or Courtyard for their price as opposed to a Motel 6 or Red Roof? I'm sure you would take those 5, 1/2 hr sessions with Sassy on separate occasions? I doubt if you (or many) could handle them consecutively?
HuntLadys29
03-29-14, 18:36
Tobi Telford so nicely put it on another site regarding providers that have a higher consideration amount and I can completely relate to her and agree in a condensed fashion of what was stated...I couldn't have said it any better than she did:
"I am fully aware that my rates are much higher than most of the ladies in this area. I have my reasons for setting my pricing structure to what it is, and I realize that my consideration amounts do not fall in line with many gents' budgets. We all have our financial limits, and there's nothing wrong with that. But when I receive slander on public forums, PMs and text messages telling me that I'm "not worth it" and what not, I can't help but be appalled by the rudeness. I mean, what's the point in contacting someone just to tell them that what they're selling is overpriced? It's not going to change anything.
Everyone has budgets that they allocate to certain things, and that's perfectly fine. Paid companionship is a LUXURY, not a necessity. If I were selling water or air, that would be one thing (those are basic needs that should be affordable to everyone), but I'm not. My luxury is meant to be purchased with discretionary funds. It is my prerogative to set my rates at the amount with which I'm comfortable, and I should be free to do that without harassment or insults.
Whether your budget is $50 or $5,000, there are plenty of lovely ladies in the area whose rates are in line with whatever a gentleman's individual budget may be. So the solution to this perceived problem is simple: spend what you can afford and have fun doing it, but save the obnoxiousness and insults. I promise that telling me I'm overpriced is only going to waste both my time and yours, and it's just plain unkind.".
I use her statements as a prelude to explain why my rates have gone up yet again...as I'm just waiting for the new wave of PMs and texts on how I think I'm better than everyone else, and I'm not in Vegas, blah, blah, blah. Anyone that has met me knows that this is simply not the case. I am well aware of where I reside and I'm about as down to earth and sweet as it gets. My reviews more than uphold my value at my requested consideration amounts and I've certainly never twisted anyone's arm to fork it out.
However, that being said I have had the fortune in my very short time span of introducing myself to this of having offers from just a couple generous and wonderful gentlemen for ongoing arrangements. And while they are not asking for exclusivity at this time, I have decided to increase my consideration amount to limit my other bookings so that I may devote the time everyone is deserving of, myself included. I don't work a bunch, nor do I desire to, and just as you may be very selective about your providers, I too am very picky about my clientele. I want to make sure everyone's expectations are not only met, but exceeded.
If you have an appointment booked already, I will still see you at the prior consideration amount. I am so grateful to have met the amazing gents that I have and I do apologize if you now feel my increase makes it impossible to see me. I do not wish to offend or upset anyone, but we all have our reasons for doing what we do.
I'm not looking for an argument, or an ongoing back and forth, as I just wanted to announce what's happened to attempt to avoid the backlash.
Kisses!
Lila be.I told you guys weeks ago this chick is full of shit. If things are going so swell for you why did you post this? You should just continue doing what you're doing and keep your mouth shut. But you can't you want some kind of attention all the time you can't help yourself. You have all this going on and no reviews, I used to think you were just a conceited chick. But now I just feel sorry for you. My dear you need help, and I hope you get it. Is there a psychiatrist in the house?
HuntLadys29
03-29-14, 18:46
There are going to be guys looking on this site who are looking for way upper end girls. You won't know that they are here, because they won't register, or if they do they will never post. These guys are in positions where they believe that if it became known that they are in the hobby their positions would be in jeopardy. And, they are most likely right. So, they lurk and look for high end providers who they are much less likely to have legal problems with. These guys can afford 300,400, 500 an hour for a girl. For a guy like me, if I get popped with a girl, I'll fight it, I'll get a jury trial if I have to, I don't care about publicity, I'm divorced, and I've already done time and I'm not afraid to do more if I have to. For a successful doctor, lawyer, maybe a high end executive, its a different story, those guys know that even a brush with the hobby could be fatal to their 20,30, 40 grand a month or more incomes. Yeah, they still buy punanni, but they are very very discrete.
And that's why girls may keep an ad in, they know the "big fish" they have isn't going to be there forever. They know those guys crave something new, just like we do, that's why they are in the hobby instead of just fucking their S.O.s. They want variety and the girls who do that kind of business know it, and keep their hand in looking for the next one.
CheechBut why the long post it's like she's giving us a Dear John letter I've seen no reviews on her so its like who on here gives a fuck. To me it goes beyond what she's charging I'm past that its just this chick has the nerve to think she's hurting people who haven't even seen her. Like I'm taking myself off the market for you guys that can't afford me if you think you can't afford me then look at my prices now. FUCK HER! As I said before legend in her own mind. The chick needs help.
Member #5083
03-29-14, 20:46
I told you guys weeks ago this chick is full of shit. If things are going so swell for you why did you post this? You should just continue doing what you're doing and keep your mouth shut. But you can't you want some kind of attention all the time you can't help yourself. You have all this going on and no reviews, I used to think you were just a conceited chick. But now I just feel sorry for you. My dear you need help, and I hope you get it. Is there a psychiatrist in the house?I am just providing intel here so don't tie any of this to my credibility. There is 1 review of Lila on another review site from an out of town reviewer who has 4 other reviews to his credit. His review of Lila is positive. DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS. 3.0 for 1 hr.
Member #4506
03-29-14, 21:13
I am just providing intel here so don't tie any of this to my credibility. There is 1 review of Lila on another review site from an out of town reviewer who has 4 other reviews to his credit. His review of Lila is positive. DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS. 3.0 for 1 hr.Glad it's positive. High end gals were not that great to me. They just thought they were. They rushed and cut things short as the appt goes on.
She has an NR review where the guy gave her a great review with 4 stars and she called him out as a lier?? Is that the review? That is so classless. You take the guys money, he gives you a great review and you bash him over references and having an arrangement with another provider. WTF?
I am just providing intel here so don't tie any of this to my credibility. There is 1 review of Lila on another review site from an out of town reviewer who has 4 other reviews to his credit. His review of Lila is positive. DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS. 3.0 for 1 hr.
Where the fuck is the LIKE button on this site?
GOOD FOR YOU, Lila Bella! I think you should charge whatever you want for your goods and services -- your prices should reflect whatever the market will bear (or, in your case, bare).
And I understand your desire to hike your rates, that is, there is no question that you are very attractive and obviously NOT a streetwalker-turned-escort like some other providers who post here. Besides, at your present age, I think I also understand that you need to make all you can as quickly as you can since your clock is inevitably ticking softer and softer and will be winding down very soon. Put another way, at this stage in your life, gravity is working against you and I do NOT believe that prime-time will be on your side much longer, but that's just my opinion. So I say, get it while you can! GO, GIRL, GO!
What I do NOT understand, however, is why you post here in the first place? After all, you have been posting on the "arrangement" websites (see attached Pic) apparently hoping to hook a big fish and, according to your story, you have hooked two (amazing gents). So I'm just a little curious why you are messing around and wasting your time here, and on the other sites akin to this site, with what I'm guessing is probably a fairly large population of prospective clientele that will NOT meet your "picky" standards and / or who cannot or will NOT meet your high asking price, especially after you have admittedly already caught the big fish -- times two? Have you ever heard of the 80/20 Rule? Or how about a fundamental economic principle known as the Law of Diminishing Returns? In any case, I think YOU ARE SO LUCKY because most providers who advertise here could never command your high rates and, not only that, most of them will very likely never be able to land one amazing big fish, much less TWO AMAZING BIG FISH! YOU ARE JUST SO DARN LUCKY, IMHO! CONGRATULATIONS!
But there is something else I do NOT understand. It concerns your TWO AMAZING BIG FISH story and I am hoping to figure it out (just in case I ever become an amazing big fish myself). I do NOT get why TWO AMAZING BIG FISH (my words, not yours) who are "just a couple generous and wonderful gentlemen" (your words, not mine) are willing to be so "generous and wonderful" WITHOUT REQUIRING EXCLUSIVITY? How does that work exactly?
Now I just want to get this straight in my mind. So you found TWO AMAZING BIG FISH who are apparently, I'm guessing, willing to pay you more than your advertised rates for what I believe you called an "ongoing arrangement," but these TWO AMAZING BIG FISH do NOT want exclusivity (seriously), meaning you are still allowed to fuck us not-so-generous and not-so-wonderful guys in what I guess would then have to be called a "NON-ongoing arrangement?"
Well if that's the case, does it mean that I, or anyone else who might pass your "picky" test (which I presume is NOT about money, rather it's only about your "fussiness" in selecting your clientele), could book you 1-x to 15-x or whatever per week as long as we were willing to pay your advertised rates? My point about your story is that I am really struggling to see the advantages and benefits that the TWO AMAZING BIG FISH are going to receive in a "NON-EXCLUSIVE" ongoing arrangement with you. Unless you are charging the TWO AMAZING BIG FISH less than your advertised rates (for example, something akin to a baker's dozen), which I seriously doubt because what would be the point of locking yourself into an "ongoing arrangement" when you could just alternatively implement some kind of frequency marketing program for everyone, for example, a "Cum Fuck Me Lots" discount (Buy 5, Get 1 Free -- or whatever)?
After thinking about your story, or maybe I should refer to it as an announcement, and all of the various possible nuances of having a "NON-EXCLUSIVE Ongoing Arrangement" while at the same time continuing to fuck not-so-generous and not-so-wonderful clientele here on this board as well as around the country, my best guesses are: (1) YOU are FULL of CRAP and just made the whole thing up as a marketing strategy to hike your rates, that is, you are trying to create the appearance of a big demand and very limited supply; (2) YOU are DELUSIONAL and actually believe your own BS; (3) YOU are going through an IDENTITY CRISIS (are you an escort, a courtesan, etc., etc., etc.?) and should seek professional help; (4) YOU are still hoping to catch one big fish thus the reason you are still advertising everywhere; (5) Your TWO AMAZING BIG FISHes are FULL of CRAP, or just plain idiots, and will turn out to be NOT-SO-GENEROUS and NOT-SO-WONDERFUL in the end; and / or, (6) INSERT OTHER MONGER THEORIES HERE.
All of my statements, comments, and questions are, of course, rhetorical -- meaning am I neither seeking nor expecting any answers or explanations, Lila, since I am NOT, as you say, looking for an argument, or an ongoing back and forth, blah, blah, blah. I am merely thinking out loud, so to speak, about your pretentious advertisement / announcement.
There are going to be guys looking on this site who are looking for way upper end girls. You won't know that they are here, because they won't register, or if they do they will never post. These guys are in positions where they believe that if it became known that they are in the hobby their positions would be in jeopardy. And, they are most likely right. So, they lurk and look for high end providers who they are much less likely to have legal problems with. These guys can afford 300,400, 500 an hour for a girl. For a guy like me, if I get popped with a girl, I'll fight it, I'll get a jury trial if I have to, I don't care about publicity, I'm divorced, and I've already done time and I'm not afraid to do more if I have to. For a successful doctor, lawyer, maybe a high end executive, its a different story, those guys know that even a brush with the hobby could be fatal to their 20,30, 40 grand a month or more incomes. Yeah, they still buy punanni, but they are very very discrete.
And that's why girls may keep an ad in, they know the "big fish" they have isn't going to be there forever. They know those guys crave something new, just like we do, that's why they are in the hobby instead of just fucking their S.O.s. They want variety and the girls who do that kind of business know it, and keep their hand in looking for the next one.
CheechThey're pretty much in the wrong place. That's just a fact of life.
They're pretty much in the wrong place. That's just a fact of life.Occasionally you'll find a high dollar hottie posting here, but usually only if her tour is running slow or she uses another name.
High dollar guys should be hunting on E R O S, date check or p 411.
Fellow Mongers, one of our favorite providers LSM (little Sexy Me).
Needs our help badly...please pm for details.
Maybe I'm like the little kid in the story about the Emperor and his new clothes but I just don't see it. I'm not saying she's ugly, she's certainly not ugly, she's got a decent photographer, she's got pretty eyes, and if you like them a little thick she's ok, but if she was in Newport (a bar full of working girls here) she wouldn't be one of the yeps, she would go strait to the nopes. She's just not that hot in a P4 P environment. I've been ruminating a little lately about why service and attitude is so much more important than appearance, but even taking that into account there still has to be a base level of hotness for entry into the upper ranks, doesn't there? Even after WALDT is considered.
I checked the photos again, yeah, no titties, baby fat, the drapes won't match the rug, getting a bit long in the tooth, and she never smiles. In her defense I found her etiquette section agreeable, she didn't go on and on about what she expects from you and her cancellation policy is more than reasonable. I know she's supposed to be GFE and all that, but Paraguayans on a bad day are more GFE than any woman I've ever met up there. When you combine all that with the "shut up and just listen to me" attitude here, A2 says paso.
For the price of a weekend with a 6 at best, you can spend 2-3 weeks here banging 9's. Hell one four hour date alone covers the airfair.
Before anybody goes nuts, I'm not saying she shouldn't get it if she can, her body, her business, but if she can... Oh my brothers, A2 mourns for his beloved adopted city.
Sometimes I think some guys are missing the point. Buying pussy is like buying anything else. With the exception that it's illegal unless you're married to it. You want some beef? You can go to a greasy spoon for a burger, or McDonalds, or Eat and Park, or move up to a fancier joint, all the way up to Mortons (here in Cleveland) where a steak will cost you 80 bucks. A la cart. You want a transportation? You can get a skateboard, or a bicycle, or a scooter, or a motorcycle, or a chevy, caddy, or a Lambo. You want pussy? You can get a girl off the street, a girl off BP, a girl from here or one of the other sites. You can look around many places and see, if you can afford to do it, if you can find a girl you want to wrap up for a while. A diamond in the rough, if you will. If you have the ready cash, sometimes you can find a girl with no baggage and keep her for a while. Rare, true, but much less expensive to find a little hottie who is used to charging a buck an hour and make an arrangement with her for a few months than a girl who asks 5 bucks an hour.
The point I'm trying to make is, if you can't afford a Lambo, or don't want to spend that much, you don't stand in front of the dealership waving your fist and bitching about how much the dealer wants for a Gallardo. If you want beef, but you don't want an $80 steak, you go to McDonalds, you don't stand in front of Morton's Steakhouse waving your fist and bitching about how much a steak is. So why post on the site bitching about how much a woman wants to charge for her intimate attention? Some, I'm sure, are worth it, to guys who can afford it. Some aren't. Sometimes an $80 steak is tough, sometimes a $4 burger is fantastic. Sometimes you can get a 10 grand car that lasts for 300000 miles, sometimes a 60 grand car is a lemon.
Except in B.A., where you can get what is an $80 steak in Ohio for $10. :-)
Real men don't whine.
Cheech.
SilkyWetness
03-30-14, 13:25
Ok so my point of view is just because its cheaper doesn't mean it taste any different I've heard horror stories of the so called high end being a mechanical and robotic date as to where gals like myself genuinely like what they do and give it their all because they arent pushing out 3 to 400 dollar dates at a time to each their own but why blow the bank and a load on one girl when you can see 3 to 4 girls who actually try and don't just expect high end amounts and upsell or overadvertise how special theey are and why their worth a said amount with that being said of all the girls charging high amounts tobi would be the only lady that I would spoil just based on our talks and how sweet she is she's never treated me less than what I am based on donations she's just a sweet and caring lady who happens to be hhhoooottttt as hell just my opinion take it for what's its worth big kisses yall.
HuntLadys29
03-30-14, 14:11
Sometimes I think some guys are missing the point. Buying pussy is like buying anything else. With the exception that it's illegal unless you're married to it. You want some beef? You can go to a greasy spoon for a burger, or McDonalds, or Eat and Park, or move up to a fancier joint, all the way up to Mortons (here in Cleveland) where a steak will cost you 80 bucks. A la cart. You want a transportation? You can get a skateboard, or a bicycle, or a scooter, or a motorcycle, or a chevy, caddy, or a Lambo. You want pussy? You can get a girl off the street, a girl off BP, a girl from here or one of the other sites. You can look around many places and see, if you can afford to do it, if you can find a girl you want to wrap up for a while. A diamond in the rough, if you will. If you have the ready cash, sometimes you can find a girl with no baggage and keep her for a while. Rare, true, but much less expensive to find a little hottie who is used to charging a buck an hour and make an arrangement with her for a few months than a girl who asks 5 bucks an hour.
The point I'm trying to make is, if you can't afford a Lambo, or don't want to spend that much, you don't stand in front of the dealership waving your fist and bitching about how much the dealer wants for a Gallardo. If you want beef, but you don't want an $80 steak, you go to McDonalds, you don't stand in front of Morton's Steakhouse waving your fist and bitching about how much a steak is. So why post on the site bitching about how much a woman wants to charge for her intimate attention? Some, I'm sure, are worth it, to guys who can afford it. Some aren't. Sometimes an $80 steak is tough, sometimes a $4 burger is fantastic. Sometimes you can get a 10 grand car that lasts for 300000 miles, sometimes a 60 grand car is a lemon.
Except in B.A., where you can get what is an $80 steak in Ohio for $10. :-)
Real men don't whine.
Cheech.Look man we have been past what she is charging she can charge what she wants, we crossed that bridge weeks ago. We are now on her Dear John type post, I have enough income to buy a $5. Piece of ass if I want I just have a few other things I want to do with my extra cash. I also resent the fact you are saying we are whining. I am speaking only for myself but I do have a right to voice my opinion on any subject I want. And because I express my opinion doesn't mean it's whining. I tell you what why don't you call her shell out $5 and then let us know what it's like. If its good give the review but if its not remember real men don't whine. Be safe I'm out HL29.
I have a friend who had a recent dream about Lila. And in his humble opinion she isn't worth $5, maybe $2 But just his opinion and YMMV. Piece Out Men!
Look man we have been past what she is charging she can charge what she wants, we crossed that bridge weeks ago. We are now on her Dear John type post, I have enough income to buy a $5. Piece of ass if I want I just have a few other things I want to do with my extra cash. I also resent the fact you are saying we are whining. I am speaking only for myself but I do have a right to voice my opinion on any subject I want. And because I express my opinion doesn't mean it's whining. I tell you what why don't you call her shell out $5 and then let us know what it's like. If its good give the review but if its not remember real men don't whine. Be safe I'm out HL29.
TheDaytimer
03-30-14, 17:03
WOW. That's one long sentence Silk but I agree with you. Did you write it all in one breath? (LOL).
I agree with you and find very little difference between providers based on rate alone. Some of my more expensive dates have been blowouts and some of the less expensive have been like a nice GFE. I've done sever overnights for a very reasonable fare which is less than some ladies ask for an hour and found them to be sensual and satisfying.
I have a "friend" in Florida who has managed to raise her rates to $1000 minimum for a date. I saw her when she started at $150 and she still sees me at that rate. I'm sure my experience is no different than the $1000 dates. CORRECTION - I bet my dates with her are even better because we "clicked" earlier.
Any provider who can pull higher rates is to congratulated for their marketing expertise.
Ok so my point of view is just because its cheaper doesn't mean it taste any different I've heard horror stories of the so called high end being a mechanical and robotic date as to where gals like myself genuinely like what they do and give it their all because they arent pushing out 3 to 400 dollar dates at a time to each their own but why blow the bank and a load on one girl when you can see 3 to 4 girls who actually try and don't just expect high end amounts and upsell or overadvertise how special theey are and why their worth a said amount with that being said of all the girls charging high amounts tobi would be the only lady that I would spoil just based on our talks and how sweet she is she's never treated me less than what I am based on donations she's just a sweet and caring lady who happens to be hhhoooottttt as hell just my opinion take it for what's its worth big kisses yall.
Well, for those who say that there is no such thing as bad publicity, she has done well on USASG. She has almost every swinging dick on the Cincinnati board talking about her. If she would come to Memphis and agree to my style of photographing, I would take a crack at her. At least we would then get a review of her, as well as some photos of her in action sucking my huge dick. At her current rate, that would amount to about $250.00 an inch. Quite generous.
I just noticed how many posts you have! Gawd almighty! You must be older than dirt! (grin) .
Just keep sending those pics!!
Well, for those who say that there is no such thing as bad publicity, she has done well on USASG. She has almost every swinging dick on the Cincinnati board talking about her. If she would come to Memphis and agree to my style of photographing, I would take a crack at her. At least we would then get a review of her, as well as some photos of her in action sucking my huge dick.
SilkyWetness
03-30-14, 19:05
WOW. That's one long sentence Silk but I agree with you. Did you write it all in one breath? (LOL).
I agree with you and find very little difference between providers based on rate alone. Some of my more expensive dates have been blowouts and some of the less expensive have been like a nice GFE. I've done sever overnights for a very reasonable fare which is less than some ladies ask for an hour and found them to be sensual and satisfying.
I have a "friend" in Florida who has managed to raise her rates to $1000 minimum for a date. I saw her when she started at $150 and she still sees me at that rate. I'm sure my experience is no different than the $1000 dates. CORRECTION - I bet my dates with her are even better because we "clicked" earlier.
Any provider who can pull higher rates is to congratulated for their marketing expertise.Ya well apparently I'm telling a lie according to a pm I recieved. Let me specify. I didn't say all just some and you guys know what I mean. Their can be some real upselling going on, just like with the cheap ones it can be different for everyone no matter the price or location. If I thought I could charge 300 hr because of my pregnancy I would but I won't for 2 reasons. 1 I understand the market 2 I like constant repeat business with that being said if you were offended by my comments and felt the need to defend anyone go ahead. I'm just saying what I thought and to the senior member who so adamantly felt the need to defend whoever save your breath I knew writing this would probably make a few disagree but it wasnt my intention just one ladies opinion.
LexintonLuther
03-30-14, 19:12
I always thought you were a hot little Barbie and just my type from all the comments that I have read, but I had a little time today and saw the latest pics posted and I started surfing the web for info and pics and Sweetie, you are fucking hot! That tight little body is perfect. Babe you don't know how much fun we could have and all the furniture that we would break! The thought of those sexy eyes looking up at me I think would be breath taking! I wish I had an excuse to take a business trip Cincinnati. Those blokes in your area are some lucky types to have a playmate like you close. Alas, enough of my rant, rave and opinion.
Lex.
HuntLadys29
03-30-14, 19:37
Ok so my point of view is just because its cheaper doesn't mean it taste any different I've heard horror stories of the so called high end being a mechanical and robotic date as to where gals like myself genuinely like what they do and give it their all because they arent pushing out 3 to 400 dollar dates at a time to each their own but why blow the bank and a load on one girl when you can see 3 to 4 girls who actually try and don't just expect high end amounts and upsell or overadvertise how special theey are and why their worth a said amount with that being said of all the girls charging high amounts tobi would be the only lady that I would spoil just based on our talks and how sweet she is she's never treated me less than what I am based on donations she's just a sweet and caring lady who happens to be hhhoooottttt as hell just my opinion take it for what's its worth big kisses yall.Well said sweetheart. That's just what I'm talking about. Hey look at me I'm Ms Hotshit I'm 36 yo with the body of a 36 yo I can do what no other girl do, why I can even make you cum, come spend your money with me I'm great (SUCKER). And for those of you who don't want to spend your money on me, well I'm going to raise my rates so you can really know what.
You're missing. Yeah ok.
SilkyWetness
03-30-14, 20:16
I always thought you were a hot little Barbie and just my type from all the comments that I have read, but I had a little time today and saw the latest pics posted and I started surfing the web for info and pics and Sweetie, you are fucking hot! That tight little body is perfect. Babe you don't know how much fun we could have and all the furniture that we would break! The thought of those sexy eyes looking up at me I think would be breath taking! I wish I had an excuse to take a business trip Cincinnati. Those blokes in your area are some lucky types to have a playmate like you close. Alas, enough of my rant, rave and opinion.
Lex.That is the sweetest thing I have read in a long time. You are such a doll I really hope we do get to meet guess what you may be so lucky to have me visit this year as I'm visiting columbus cleveland and pittsburgh in the next few months maybe if I had enough enquiries I could come down very soon who knows but you are a sweet man and glad my body could bring you such pleasure and naughty thoughts.
Fellow Mongers, one of our favorite providers LSM (little Sexy Me).
Needs our help badly...please pm for details.Please guess this is her daughter now she really needs help please private message me for details!!
To SilkyWetness. I've paid attention to your photos for a very long time. That video set it up a notch. Very well done. I even discussed this with another provider how new pictures and video, a different appearance turned a new eye I'm sure from many.
Many times a new set of photos are a trigger for those waiting in the wings to try something new. When I returned years ago to this hobby I was watching certain ones. New pictures and within hours I was making contact, contact that to this day I'm a regular to this one provider.
One outfit (less than $60) equals a possible indefinite long term relationship of the two that function well in necessity. Can't put it any clearer than that.
The absolute WORST tactic in this hobby are those who manipulate the imagery or refuse to wear / dress to the perfection they exhibit. It crosses the wires instantly. I want to see what the pictures allude to, or even better. Not the reverse. Not the "it's only walmart and these clothes are comfortable" look. If you're heavy and posting thinner photos? You can usually buy 10 to 15 throwaway cameras in what one visit provides. There are never any excuses viable for why pictures should not be your best selling point. Proudly show your goods, there are many that put special value into those moves.
LuvdaLadys14
03-31-14, 03:13
I always thought you were a hot little Barbie and just my type from all the comments that I have read, but I had a little time today and saw the latest pics posted and I started surfing the web for info and pics and Sweetie, you are fucking hot! That tight little body is perfect. Babe you don't know how much fun we could have and all the furniture that we would break! The thought of those sexy eyes looking up at me I think would be breath taking! I wish I had an excuse to take a business trip Cincinnati. Those blokes in your area are some lucky types to have a playmate like you close. Alas, enough of my rant, rave and opinion.
Lex.Oh we know how lucky we are to have this lovely, young vixen right here amongst us. We are quite lucky here in Cincy to have as many fine ladies as we do.
It has amazed me how few ladies there are in larger cities within an hour or two drive of here. Not sure why some of them seem so lacking of ladies.
If you get the chance to visit Silky she is well worth the trip!
Luv..always.
Was this harsh? Well I knew it was harsh, but was it too much? It's an excerpt from an email I sent.
The entire time you were talking to me about being sorry, and I was encouraging you to take better care of yourself, you were posting on the forum as a guy. When I discovered it, you denied it. Our actions, not our words define who we are, you are suffering under a delusion if you think you are an honest person. Your actions have defined you as a liar.
I do not know you, we have never met. I neither like nor dislike you. I would have to care about you in some way to hold an opinion like that. Personally I despise liars, as you have lied to me and this forum repeatedly, personally I find you despicable, professionally I just want you to forget you have ever heard of us and simply go away. I wish you no ill will so no forgiveness is needed, I have no need to wish you ill, your character will insure that result.
Now just go.I wrote this to some chick that I busted posting as a monger (which gets the death penalty on the forum) she wrote and insisted that she was an honest person. I just can't stand people that try and blatantly spin shit with me. I call that what it is, lying. Don't tell me you're an honest person while you are actively LYING to me.
Was this harsh? Well I knew it was harsh, but was it too much? It's an excerpt from an email I sent.
I wrote this to some chick that I busted posting as a monger (which gets the death penalty on the forum) she wrote and insisted that she was an honest person. I just can't stand people that try and blatantly spin shit with me. I call that what it is, lying. Don't tell me you're an honest person while you are actively LYING to me.Nope. Seems like a fair shake for the reason of banning. I'm sure you've got an app that tracks all user's IP's on that username, so if a new name returns with a similar IP, permaban.
Was this harsh? Well I knew it was harsh, but was it too much? It's an excerpt from an email I sent.
I wrote this to some chick that I busted posting as a monger (which gets the death penalty on the forum) she wrote and insisted that she was an honest person. I just can't stand people that try and blatantly spin shit with me. I call that what it is, lying. Don't tell me you're an honest person while you are actively LYING to me.I don't think you were being too harsh. In this arena, we can not tolerate liars. OK, exaggerate your looks, your skills, shave a few years off your age, photoshop your pics a little, you know, fibbing, we can put up with that. A little. But outright lying, in your face, we don't need that, that is the domain of the Gestapo, the LEO, those who would harm us. Don't put up with it.
Cheech.
Gawd almighty! You must be older than dirt! (grin) I used to say that I was "an older guy!" Now I just say I "am an old guy!
LexintonLuther
03-31-14, 15:41
That is the sweetest thing I have read in a long time. You are such a doll I really hope we do get to meet guess what you may be so lucky to have me visit this year as I'm visiting columbus cleveland and pittsburgh in the next few months maybe if I had enough enquiries I could come down very soon who knows but you are a sweet man and glad my body could bring you such pleasure and naughty thoughts.Not trying to be sweet, just being honest. That would be a dream to meet you and if you do come to the East Coast, (NC) we might not let you leave.
Lex.
I don't want to speak about our methods but this is how I handle it when a chick tries that.
Defcon 1 If I think she is, but I'm nowhere near sure, I leave it alone.
Defcon 2 If I'm pretty sure she is but not certain, I just delete the posts and any convo around it.
Defcon 3 When I KNOW they are, I impose the death penalty on the forum. Nobody is allowed to say anything good about her, and I remove all ads.
Defcon 4 After I do that, if they write me and complain, or insult my intelligence by protesting their innocence. I write something bad about them in the forum. (This chick is a liar, I wouldn't see her).
Defcon 5 If after that, they continue to fucking bug me, I encourage guys to post all the bad shit they know about them.
I can't fucking stand liars. Exagerating your positive points is one thing, that's marketing. Creating a monger profile and engaging guys in conversation telling them you have fucked yourself and how good you are is another. Chicks like Silk, Molly, Sasha, CC, ect, NEVER need to that because their customers (once they can form coherent thoughts again) do it for them.
You guys that like fight threads should check out "The Massholes" in Boston. They are taking to the concept quite well.
But really, tell us how you REALLY feel! LOL.
Thank you yet again A2 for watching our backs and continueing to keep this board the way it is.
Rojo.
I don't want to speak about our methods but this is how I handle it when a chick tries that.
Defcon 1 If I think she is, but I'm nowhere near sure, I leave it alone.
Defcon 2 If I'm pretty sure she is but not certain, I just delete the posts and any convo around it.
Defcon 3 When I KNOW they are, I impose the death penalty on the forum. Nobody is allowed to say anything good about her, and I remove all ads.
Defcon 4 After I do that, if they write me and complain, or insult my intelligence by protesting their innocence. I write something bad about them in the forum. (This chick is a liar, I wouldn't see her).
Defcon 5 If after that, they continue to fucking bug me, I encourage guys to post all the bad shit they know about them.
I can't fucking stand liars. Exagerating your positive points is one thing, that's marketing. Creating a monger profile and engaging guys in conversation telling them you have fucked yourself and how good you are is another. Chicks like Silk, Molly, Sasha, CC, ect, NEVER need to that because their customers (once they can form coherent thoughts again) do it for them.
TheDaytimer
03-31-14, 16:43
OH by the way, clients of Silk, Molly, Sasha, CC never regain their coherent thoughts again. I've seen 3 of the 4 several times and I haven't been the same since. The 4th one likes to silence me in her CAM-CHAT. What a DOM!
I don't want to speak about our methods but this is how I handle it when a chick tries that.
Defcon 1 If I think she is, but I'm nowhere near sure, I leave it alone.
Defcon 2 If I'm pretty sure she is but not certain, I just delete the posts and any convo around it.
Defcon 3 When I KNOW they are, I impose the death penalty on the forum. Nobody is allowed to say anything good about her, and I remove all ads.
Defcon 4 After I do that, if they write me and complain, or insult my intelligence by protesting their innocence. I write something bad about them in the forum. (This chick is a liar, I wouldn't see her).
Defcon 5 If after that, they continue to fucking bug me, I encourage guys to post all the bad shit they know about them.
I can't fucking stand liars. Exagerating your positive points is one thing, that's marketing. Creating a monger profile and engaging guys in conversation telling them you have fucked yourself and how good you are is another. Chicks like Silk, Molly, Sasha, CC, ect, NEVER need to that because their customers (once they can form coherent thoughts again) do it for them.
Ya well apparently I'm telling a lie according to a pm I recieved. Let me specify. I didn't say all just some and you guys know what I mean. Their can be some real upselling going on, just like with the cheap ones it can be different for everyone no matter the price or location. If I thought I could charge 300 hr because of my pregnancy I would but I won't for 2 reasons. 1 I understand the market 2 I like constant repeat business with that being said if you were offended by my comments and felt the need to defend anyone go ahead. I'm just saying what I thought and to the senior member who so adamantly felt the need to defend whoever save your breath I knew writing this would probably make a few disagree but it wasnt my intention just one ladies opinion.I thought you nailed it on the head, Silk. I prefer frequency with a gal I know I click with, to rolling the high end dice for a pretty face that might fuck as vigorously as a mink, or a dead fish. Of course what do I know? Maybe I have just gotten lazy and prefer the "sure" thing.
For the record, you my dear are a paragon of certainty.
OH by the way, clients of Silk, Molly, Sasha, CC never regain their coherent thoughts again. I've seen 3 of the 4 several times and I haven't been the same since. The 4th one likes to silence me in her CAM-CHAT. What a DOM!Preach it, brother.
Silk honey all girls are worth it no matter what they charge.In what universe is this statement true?
I doubt any of you guys have been with more providers than I have. I'm sitting somewhere around 500-600 or so and there is Without Question a general inverse relationship between price and service. I say general because I haven't been with every provider on the planet. I have NEVER failed to be disappointed by the princesses that say "I charge more but I'm worth it." Never, not once, not even close to once. Every single time their opinion of themselves didn't match their performance. Now when I see one that does it, I don't even bother talking to them, I just leave. I know somebody will eventually pay it and I don't care because I won't.
We have been talking about this a lot down here lately. I don't even look for the chicks that think they are 9's or 10's anymore, they just can't fuck. I'm looking for the 7's and 8's that aren't happy until they have fucked the skin off my johnson. (No I'm not going unwrapped, it's just a way of saying they screwed me well) Chicks that get a sense of satisfaction when I look at them afterwards and they know I'm thinking "holy fuck, what just happened." There are exceptions, chicks that are at the top of their game, perfect bodies, pornstar attitudes, a closet full of school girl outfits, that are charging at the top of that range I mentioned? I'm fine with them, it's the ones that aren't but think they are, that are charging 140% of the top of the range. I so no. I also say, I can go longer without putty tang than they can without paying rent.
Yes, I know, everyone of the high dollar chicks are going to say, "you haven't been with me yet" and my answer is, "you're correct, but I've been with 100 or so like you and as of yet I remain unimpressed.".
Member #4506
03-31-14, 23:56
In what universe is this statement true?
I doubt any of you guys have been with more providers than I have. I'm sitting somewhere around 500-600 or so and there is Without Question a general inverse relationship between price and service. I say general because I haven't been with every provider on the planet. I have NEVER failed to be disappointed by the princesses that say "I charge more but I'm worth it." Never, not once, not even close to once. Every single time their opinion of themselves didn't match their performance. Now when I see one that does it, I don't even bother talking to them, I just leave. I know somebody will eventually pay it and I don't care because I won't.
We have been talking about this a lot down here lately. I don't even look for the chicks that think they are 9's or 10's anymore, they just can't fuck. I'm looking for the 7's and 8's that aren't happy until they have fucked the skin off my johnson. (No I'm not going unwrapped, it's just a way of saying they screwed me well) Chicks that get a sense of satisfaction when I look at them afterwards and they know I'm thinking "holy fuck, what just happened." There are exceptions, chicks that are at the top of their game, perfect bodies, pornstar attitudes, a closet full of school girl outfits, that are charging at the top of that range I mentioned? I'm fine with them, it's the ones that aren't but think they are, that are charging 140% of the top of the range. I so no. I also say, I can go longer without putty tang than they can without paying rent.
Yes, I know, everyone of the high dollar chicks are going to say, "you haven't been with me yet" and my answer is, "you're correct, but I've been with 100 or so like you and as of yet I remain unimpressed.".I would say the same thing. 7/8 are the best all around. I have never found a 10 that I would repeat who charge a lot. IMHO.
Ok so my point of view is just because its cheaper doesn't mean it taste any different I've heard horror stories of the so called high end being a mechanical and robotic date as to where gals like myself genuinely like what they do and give it their all because they arent pushing out 3 to 400 dollar dates at a time to each their own but why blow the bank and a load on one girl when you can see 3 to 4 girls who actually try and don't just expect high end amounts and upsell or overadvertise how special theey are and why their worth a said amount with that being said of all the girls charging high amounts tobi would be the only lady that I would spoil just based on our talks and how sweet she is she's never treated me less than what I am based on donations she's just a sweet and caring lady who happens to be hhhoooottttt as hell just my opinion take it for what's its worth big kisses yall.I never seen silk, I have to agree with her above statement. Providers can charge whatever they want but I think some providers forget that the country is still in a Recession and that hobbyists are making as much as they use to. There are providers that run specials like I see silk and a few providers do. But for myself if a provider charges above a certain amount for her goods and services, I will just pass on that provider and continue shopping as you would do in the grocery store. Just throwing my two cents into the pot.
Member #4637
04-01-14, 06:22
I never seen silk, I have to agree with her above statement. Providers can charge whatever they want but I think some providers forget that the country is still in a Recession and that hobbyists are making as much as they use to. There are providers that run specials like I see silk and a few providers do. But for myself if a provider charges above a certain amount for her goods and services, I will just pass on that provider and continue shopping as you would do in the grocery store. Just throwing my two cents into the pot.I agree. Price is not the only indicator of quality. Sometimes I feel like a fine filet, other times, I like a cheeseburger. Many times, the best filets are priced not much higher than the junior whopper. If the woman is into it and makes me feel like a stud, that's all that matters.
Somehow, "Bingo!" does not cut it as a laurel for this piece of wisdom. It is a friggin' a MEGA MILLION LOTTERY win. Ladies and gents write this one on a Post-it-Note and stick it to your hobby mirror. It doesn't just apply to the hobby world, it applies to real life.
In what universe is this statement true?
I doubt any of you guys have been with more providers than I have. I'm sitting somewhere around 500-600 or so and there is Without Question a general inverse relationship between price and service. I say general because I haven't been with every provider on the planet. I have NEVER failed to be disappointed by the princesses that say "I charge more but I'm worth it." Never, not once, not even close to once. Every single time their opinion of themselves didn't match their performance. Now when I see one that does it, I don't even bother talking to them, I just leave. I know somebody will eventually pay it and I don't care because I won't.
We have been talking about this a lot down here lately. I don't even look for the chicks that think they are 9's or 10's anymore, they just can't fuck. I'm looking for the 7's and 8's that aren't happy until they have fucked the skin off my johnson. (No I'm not going unwrapped, it's just a way of saying they screwed me well) Chicks that get a sense of satisfaction when I look at them afterwards and they know I'm thinking "holy fuck, what just happened." There are exceptions, chicks that are at the top of their game, perfect bodies, pornstar attitudes, a closet full of school girl outfits, that are charging at the top of that range I mentioned? I'm fine with them, it's the ones that aren't but think they are, that are charging 140% of the top of the range. I so no. I also say, I can go longer without putty tang than they can without paying rent.
Yes, I know, everyone of the high dollar chicks are going to say, "you haven't been with me yet" and my answer is, "you're correct, but I've been with 100 or so like you and as of yet I remain unimpressed.".
And you might find some that say you haven't been with me yet and not be impressed. It's the way of the world. But just because she charges a higher rate than others, she might be at the top of her game also. No need to single out anyone, when the ones that are in this truly enjoy what they do. The ones that don't, that is what the reviews and discussions are for. To let other hobbyists know and the providers in question either step up your game or get out of the business. I know I am not a 9 or 10, or have a porn stars body. Frankly I don't want that kind of body, because I am happy with all of my curves, and my clients are too or else they wouldn't keep coming back.
It's about attitude and personality, and the willingness to please. It's about customer service, and follow through, and making sure these guys have the time of their life, if even for that short while, or to come back for more. It's about variety, and the spice of life. There is so much that goes into being a provider than just looks is what I am getting at. You don't have to have a perfect body to be good at what you do.You pretty much just restated everything he just said. I think you agree with him more than you understand. Whether it is true or not in your case, not sure until the two of you fuck and he reports back, but still, you summed up his exact position with:
"making sure these guys have the time of their life"
That seems to be exactly what A2 is looking for.
I think most guys feel the same way, if they are being honest. I won't speak for them, but I know I feel I am willing to pay what I consider to be a fair price for the experience, and the only reason I might ever consider paying above my threshold budget would be if she happened to have a Phd in Literature (if I am in the mood to converse and fuck) and was drop-dead-gorgeous, or a celebrity I have always wanted to fuck, but the key is, they still have to provide that intense experience.
A2 described this as being so incredible his mind was caught in a WTF loop.
All things being equal with regards to skill and service, there is not much difference between a 7 and a 10, so why take money away from a frequent sure thing on a gambit of pretty eyes, legs, or whatever you are into? With me, I am not much to look at, so for the sake of the lady, I keep the room dim in candlelight, and since I am half-blind without my glasses, the ladies "looks" don't mean much once the clothes fly off, I am more about how she feels when my hands roam over her body, and since my ultimate goal is to sneak up and rock an attractive woman's world I live for that freshly fucked face and bed hair. Ladies can doll-up in lingerie, some guys dig that, but it just gives my fingers more things to do than if she were just in a towel and ready for a grape seed oil massage and everything it causes. I like the idea that after they count their money when they get home, they go, "holy fuck, I got paid to feel that incredible." How well they were put together before I ravished them only has so much impact on my spending discretion, since in the civilian world, most woman are out of my league, until they learn what I can do to them.
That us hobbits are really good in the sack.
Cheech.
SashaBlack
04-01-14, 13:55
like you and as of yet I remain unimpressed."....impress you 😘.
Last night about 3 am I had a come to life moment when I opened up a box of cheese-its. Starting thinking about WTF am I doing with myself these days, wondering why I can't go into a store and buy milk, see a woman without undressing her head to toe. Or go to my bank and not stare down the lush greatness of neverending cleavage of the bank teller assuring me she's just doing her job and thank you for appreciating the view.
Trying to figure out how much 'time' I've invested in just the activity of women in general, how much more efficient I'd become if I stopped, looked and listened. I could have money in the bank, nice house. A big boat I could take all my friends on.
I can't believe I actually think about women undressing. For shame. How rude am I to think that's not their personal privacy I'm invading when I lust for their created image. What were you thinking, a famous Dr. Phil quote.
So what I've decided is I'm going to change. I am going to wait till marriage to have sexual relations with my wife. Never will I look at a naked woman again. This way I can dedicate my pure and honest thoughts right to the one I love and no other. I'll refrain from all pornography, delete all 590 bookmarked favorites and complete this life cycle of purity to cleanse my soul, never look at a vagina again unless it belongs to me in a covenant of love.
I figure this is the best place to see if there is anyone willing to join my conquest to live as true men, here this April fools day.
Member #4483
04-01-14, 16:45
Last night about 3 am I had a come to life moment when I opened up a box of cheese-its. Starting thinking about WTF am I doing with myself these days, wondering why I can't go into a store and buy milk, see a woman without undressing her head to toe. Or go to my bank and not stare down the lush greatness of neverending cleavage of the bank teller assuring me she's just doing her job and thank you for appreciating the view.
Trying to figure out how much 'time' I've invested in just the activity of women in general, how much more efficient I'd become if I stopped, looked and listened. I could have money in the bank, nice house. A big boat I could take all my friends on.
I can't believe I actually think about women undressing. For shame. How rude am I to think that's not their personal privacy I'm invading when I lust for their created image. What were you thinking, a famous Dr. Phil quote.
So what I've decided is I'm going to change. I am going to wait till marriage to have sexual relations with my wife. Never will I look at a naked woman again. This way I can dedicate my pure and honest thoughts right to the one I love and no other. I'll refrain from all pornography, delete all 590 bookmarked favorites and complete this life cycle of purity to cleanse my soul, never look at a vagina again unless it belongs to me in a covenant of love.
I figure this is the best place to see if there is anyone willing to join my conquest to live as true men, here this April fools day.ROTFLMFAO -- YOU FOOLED ME For A Second! I thought to myself, what the hell is he talking about. . .then the punch line smacked me square in the face! Good one! --SA007.
Is Sam's earlier post just a clever April Fools Day joke?
JohnGalt10
04-01-14, 20:07
Last night about 3 am I had a come to life moment when I opened up a box of cheese-its. Starting thinking about WTF am I doing with myself these days, wondering why I can't go into a store and buy milk, see a woman without undressing her head to toe. Or go to my bank and not stare down the lush greatness of neverending cleavage of the bank teller assuring me she's just doing her job and thank you for appreciating the view.
Trying to figure out how much 'time' I've invested in just the activity of women in general, how much more efficient I'd become if I stopped, looked and listened. I could have money in the bank, nice house. A big boat I could take all my friends on.
I can't believe I actually think about women undressing. For shame. How rude am I to think that's not their personal privacy I'm invading when I lust for their created image. What were you thinking, a famous Dr. Phil quote.
So what I've decided is I'm going to change. I am going to wait till marriage to have sexual relations with my wife. Never will I look at a naked woman again. This way I can dedicate my pure and honest thoughts right to the one I love and no other. I'll refrain from all pornography, delete all 590 bookmarked favorites and complete this life cycle of purity to cleanse my soul, never look at a vagina again unless it belongs to me in a covenant of love.
I figure this is the best place to see if there is anyone willing to join my conquest to live as true men, here this April fools day.You're the second one to get me today, LOL. Good post.
I realize posting about STDs is not looked highly upon, but I feel it in the best interest of this board to share my experiences. If you'd like further info, please shoot me a PM-.
Sam..This guy is pulling a scam. I know and trust the accused. Based on the version of story I have been told. This guy claims to have contracted the said STD in a way that is not possible. Physiology is wrong based on his story. If you're going to tell lies at least make the story work. Loser! Your nasty ass better not have seen other providers. I hope you tell the other providers you have been with. You got STD ewwwww.
Be safe you all!
Is Sam's earlier post just a clever April Fools Day joke?That would be a harsh practical joke...ruin a girl's livelihood. What's next "finding a roach" in his salad of the family run diner?
Sinful;.
You sidestepped my entire point. I'm not talking about the providers, I'm talking about the market. A quick survey of the Cincy market tells me I can have a pretty good to outrageously good time for between 80-150 an hour. That's the normally expected range for your market. When somebody goes outside that they are making a statement. They think, and you can fight with me about this until the cows come home but it's true or they wouldn't be trying to get it, they are above the rest. That they are better. I can spend an hour with Sasha and CC for 250, but duos are my thing. I know some guys like bigger women and this is somewhat a question of taste, but 250 for one, or 250 for two ABSOLUTE FREAKS? Sorry, send the duo.
I know a lot of the ladies have a difficult time dealing with this issue dispassionately, but it's a service nothing more. There are seriously only so many ways you can give somebody a blowjob. After having been with 1200 women (I am such a fucking dog) I've pretty much had them all. There's only so many ways you can mount me or be mounted by me. I mean it's not brain surgery. This isn't denigrating what you ladies do, it's just the truth.
PD is right, the major difference is attitude, always has been, always will be. I'm saying, I've never seen a chick that priced herself way on top of whatever her local market is that had a good one. The asking price is a statement in itself.
Sasha baby I am soooooo impressed with you already. Do you think I invite just ANYBODY to come visit me? I'm on the way to getting richer than shit, after I do, I'm sending a plane for you and CC for a week or two. Make sure you pack the handcuffs and schoolgirl clothing.
A2.
Member #5260
04-02-14, 06:20
Following up on service and rates, some of these larger women, I wouldn't do for free. I don't fuck people bigger than me. If people want to read deeper into my message regarding anyone, feel free.
TheDaytimer
04-02-14, 06:48
.This guy is pulling a scam. I know and trust the accused. Based on the version of story I have been told. This guy claims to have contracted the said STD in a way that is not possible. Physiology is wrong based on his story. If you're going to tell lies at least make the story work. Loser! Your nasty ass better not have seen other providers. I hope you tell the other providers you have been with. You got STD ewwwww.
Be safe you all!Just to put the "how he got it" to rest please visit "http://m.cdc.gov/en/HealthSafetyTopics/DiseasesConditions/STDs/gonorrheaFS" and scroll down just a bit to ORAL. I won't reveal the name of the provide but HOW he says he got it is verified by the CDC.
Following up on service and rates, some of these larger women, I wouldn't do for free. I don't fuck people bigger than me. If people want to read deeper into my message regarding anyone, feel free.The provider I was dreaming with yesterday was gossiping about one larger lady and frequent poster on this board. I was warned never to see her because, "She would kill you. She would totally crush you." If a provider is so large that a man of average height and weight should have to be concerned that he would be crushed, there's a problem IMHO. I'm sorry. I just don't get the appeal of dreams with the big ones, but to each there own, I guess.
If seniors want info on the gossiper, feel free to PM me. I don't think I can review her on the review threads; she was a naughty girl and A2 banned her, so I think the death sentence when that happens is that posts about the banned lady will removed, right?
Member #5083
04-02-14, 09:53
Following up on service and rates, some of these larger women, I wouldn't do for free. I don't fuck people bigger than me. If people want to read deeper into my message regarding anyone, feel free.I echo that sentiment and will take it a step further. I am in decent shape for my age and have a fairly flat stomach. I expect a girl in her early to mid twenties to have a stomach at least as flat as mine. So, when I see that layer of flab around the midsection, as well as cellulite thighs, no matter how small or large, it curbs my enthusiasm. My motto is, "I won't pay for anything now that I wouldn't have done for free in my 20's". Could some mongers out there be a little intimidated by the better looking girls?
Bearcatstyle
04-02-14, 10:10
...impress you .I would rather.
Undress you.
Following up on service and rates, some of these larger women, I wouldn't do for free. I don't fuck people bigger than me. If people want to read deeper into my message regarding anyone, feel free.Send them all my way. Love them. If clothes came off and it was a disaster, regardless of their talents I'm not interested. I adore a thick woman. Raises that pelvic region up off the bed. A big ass is a wonderful ass.
Sinful Dreams, Summer1 is a perfect example of a thick build that produces some of the most intense orgasms for guys who enjoy. Both are sensual/beautiful by their own design. Neither are overweight, it's a natural build to both.
Send them all my way. Love them. If clothes came off and it was a disaster, regardless of their talents I'm not interested. I adore a thick woman. Raises that pelvic region up off the bed. A big ass is a wonderful ass.
Sinful Dreams, Summer1 is a perfect example of a thick build that produces some of the most intense orgasms for guys who enjoy. Both are sensual/beautiful by their own design. Neither are overweight, it's a natural build to both.I was going to post something along these lines. While I don't understand it (spinner lover here) I get it that it takes a village to keep all guys happy. We had a guy staying at the Monger Mansion that was into thick black chicks. His eyes would glaze over when he saw a HUGE ass. He would talk about hitting it doggie and watching the wave moving through the ass. I didn't get it, it kinda made me puke a little in my mouth, but it's not my dick it's his, he can stick it where he wants. It's not my place to judge or denigrate. We all were wondering why he overflew the DR to get to Argentina though.
My whole commentary about price princesses wasn't about any one provider, it was about providers in general that think they are a cut above the rest and communicate that fact by charging far in excess of what is customary (but not required) in their markets. It's not the price, it's the price relative to the market they are operating in.
A2.
LuvdaLadys14
04-02-14, 13:11
I was going to post something along these lines. While I don't understand it (spinner lover here) I get it that it takes a village to keep all guys happy. We had a guy staying at the Monger Mansion that was into thick black chicks. His eyes would glaze over when he saw a HUGE ass. He would talk about hitting it doggie and watching the wave moving through the ass. I didn't get it, it kinda made me puke a little in my mouth, but it's not my dick it's his, he can stick it where he wants. It's not my place to judge or denigrate. We all were wondering why he overflew the DR to get to Argentina though.
My whole commentary about price princesses wasn't about any one provider, it was about providers in general that think they are a cut above the rest and communicate that fact by charging far in excess of what is customary (but not required) in their markets. It's not the price, it's the price relative to the market they are operating in.
A2.I tend to gravitate toward the spinner types too but there is one lady that just has me so intrigued and she is a thicker woman and that is Sandy. She has a really, really pretty face and I just love her long, red locks. They're to die for IMHO. I also like her more than ample chest so, even though I'm on record as saying this before, I'm just biding my time for a trip to see her... There are things I'd like to do with her long locks that should surely be outlawed in most states..
Member #4483
04-02-14, 13:19
Following up on service and rates, some of these larger women, I wouldn't do for free. I don't fuck people bigger than me.I do NOT fuck girls BIGGER than me, nor LARGER than the car I drive! SPINNER LOVE HERE, too, for which I proudly exclaim, HALLELUJAH and AMEN, Brother Crism0808!
Sam.
Please tell us that you contacted all the providers you came in to contact with after your "toilet caused my STD" issue!
SamTheSTDMan.
E-fucking-nuff. This is like your 5th post on this issue.
A2
I realize posting about STDs is not looked highly upon, but I feel it in the best interest of this board to share my experiences. If you'd like further info, please shoot me a PM-.
Sam.
OMG! STD??? OMG!!! OMG!!! PM ME NOW! My need to know supersedes my right to exist!
Is Sam's earlier post just a clever April Fools Day joke?
That would be a harsh practical joke...ruin a girl's livelihood. What's next "finding a roach" in his salad of the family run diner?
I didn't see anything about a person he was reporting other than himself, followed by fifty guys wanting a PM about his clinic visit, and then his lame two-step saying he was mistaken about the whole thing and got a rash from a dirty toilet seat.
Sounds like either unproductive drama, or an idiotic attempt at an April's Fool Joke that backfired in his face. Either way, it was interesting to watch the widespread panic. Here is a peace of wisdom for anyone that allows a whisper of gossip to ruin their day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkCwFkOZoOY
Many years ago I decided that I had but three rules:
1. No girls taller than me. (I'm 6 foot 3).
2. No girls heavier than me. (I'm 230 lbs).
3. No girls that can bench press more than me. (315 lbs).
Seriously, sometimes I like big butts, sometimes I like small butts, sometimes I like big tits, sometimes I like small tits, sometimes I like younger, sometimes I like older. Right now I'm in one phase. Wait three months and I'll like something else.
My "rules" leave the playing field rather open. Any girl that exceeds all three stipulations is probably an Olympic shot putter. LOL.
There's a reason Baskin-Robbins has done well. While chocolate, vanilla and strawberry may be the most popular, there are 28 more flavors to enjoy.
'Nuff said.
I do NOT fuck girls BIGGER than me, nor LARGER than the car I drive! SPINNER LOVE HERE, too, for which I proudly exclaim, HALLELUJAH and AMEN, Brother Crism0808!
ClassASweetie
04-02-14, 16:12
Following up on service and rates, some of these larger women, I wouldn't do for free. I don't fuck people bigger than me. If people want to read deeper into my message regarding anyone, feel free.To each their own babe. Everyone has different likes and wants. Thats why this city is so great. We have different strokes for different folks. We have beautiful spinners with a great personality like silk and thicker woman who are sensual like Sinful. Thats what makes this a fantasic sight. I personally love my curves. Thats what makes me a woman. Yes I may have baby fat but that shows that I am even more of a woman and a mother too. I have no regrets of what my beautiful children have done to me because I have something great to live for everyday. But just remember babe, we all have feelings and just like some of you felt of offended over lila raising her prices, some providers will feel offended by some of your alls post too. I perosonally don't because I am happy with myself. IMHO.
SashaBlack
04-02-14, 17:19
Sasha baby I am soooooo impressed with you already. Do you think I invite just ANYBODY to come visit me? I'm on the way to getting richer than shit, after I do, I'm sending a plane for you and CC for a week or two. Make sure you pack the handcuffs and schoolgirl clothing.
A2.I'm patiently waiting... I already have a sitter on standby.
I'll bring every you I own and you can ask cc I have a great strap on so we can dp her.
SashaBlack
04-02-14, 17:20
I would rather.
Undress you.You have before... 😘.
You're the second one to get me today, LOL. Good post.How many times have you gone into Graeter's, Subway, McD's etc and looked at a girl and thought "That girl could be making a lot more doing just 3 UTR appointments a week than she's making working 40 hrs".
I'm patiently waiting... I already have a sitter on standby.
I'll bring every you I own and you can ask cc I have a great strap on so we can dp her.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4
Kenwood Jack
04-02-14, 22:27
But when I got this PM from a fellow monger about a recent post of mine, it broke me:
flake and shake
I agree. I didn't post my last visit, but it was the same. She was on something for sure. I should have posted but due to time constraints, I never got to it.
I am afraid to write negative reports anymore. Many providers won't see me anymore. From now on, I will leave the name out of the review, and only fill in the blanks for those who actually share intel.
Sorry to be such an asshole. I'm sure you really care what I think ( that was sarcastic).
Kj.
Many providers won't see me anymore.Post as little or as much as you want, your choice but why would you run out of chicks to see? The ones that suck don't matter, and if some chick won't see you because they are afraid of a bad review, I'd tell them to up their game. I admit I am kind of spoiled down here with the numbers we have.
A2.
How many times have you gone into Graeter's, Subway, McD's etc and looked at a girl and thought "That girl could be making a lot more doing just 3 UTR appointments a week than she's making working 40 hrs".And I would love to be a recruiter. So many just don't understand those values. They could hand pick their flavors and really make a go at it. I tend to believe the disgruntled girlfriend / wife on a weekend with the girls shows a far greater lack of discipline in the realm of danger more than someone that knows each time needs to be a safe one to get to the next.
A backpager that left the hobby told me she used to work at UDF, couldn't handle standing on the concrete floors all day for $8 hour.
Funny thing is I bought peanuts from her last week at the very UDF she left. How's that workin' out for ya, workin' for peanuts.
I personally love my curves.There's a following for those curves.
I tend to gravitate toward the spinner types too but there is one lady that just has me so intrigued and she is a thicker woman and that is Sandy. She has a really, really pretty face and I just love her long, red locks. They're to die for IMHO. I also like her more than ample chest so, even though I'm on record as saying this before, I'm just biding my time for a trip to see her... There are things I'd like to do with her long locks that should surely be outlawed in most states..Something about long hair that slowly dangles in contact with the skin during the motions is a newfound value I enjoy. Adds to the moment in a lovely way.
I was going to post something along these lines. While I don't understand it (spinner lover here) I get it that it takes a village to keep all guys happy. We had a guy staying at the Monger Mansion that was into thick black chicks. His eyes would glaze over when he saw a HUGE ass. He would talk about hitting it doggie and watching the wave moving through the ass. I didn't get it, it kinda made me puke a little in my mouth, but it's not my dick it's his, he can stick it where he wants. It's not my place to judge or denigrate. We all were wondering why he overflew the DR to get to Argentina though.
My whole commentary about price princesses wasn't about any one provider, it was about providers in general that think they are a cut above the rest and communicate that fact by charging far in excess of what is customary (but not required) in their markets. It's not the price, it's the price relative to the market they are operating in.
A2.This site over time got me into the spinner types. That was the majority I enjoyed back in the day. Been with a few, all were good experiences, versatile a great deal more in the garden variety of positions, but I'm not thin or trim. I love warm rolling contours of the female body, their skin baby ass smooth. Find it more with mixed race ladies than straight up American. Love tits that when they are in my face I become claustrophobic. The deep caverns of what a big ass provides I could forward my mailing address to just because there's just more to enjoy. But, there's good looking when the clothes come off and then there's the oh jesus moment. Those are non repeated steps, learn from bad experience.
You got the blessed luxury of a realm of gold where you are. Here, seems the spinner types are scattered over a large area if you are going to stick with that one design. Definitely understand your point of view because I'm sure it'd be against the grain otherwise.
To anyone who would like to know; Lovli has a new addition as of last Saturday. 12 hours labor and a healthy baby boy. I delivered my 3rd inflatable mattress to a provider in need. Thank god I bought those on sale.
Gunman2013
04-03-14, 13:41
But when I got this PM from a fellow monger about a recent post of mine, it broke me:
flake and shake
I agree. I didn't post my last visit, but it was the same. She was on something for sure. I should have posted but due to time constraints, I never got to it.
I am afraid to write negative reports anymore. Many providers won't see me anymore. From now on, I will leave the name out of the review, and only fill in the blanks for those who actually share intel.
Sorry to be such an asshole. I'm sure you really care what I think ( that was sarcastic).
Kj.Well I dropped the ball by not posting my review which might have saved you a bad trip to which I apologize. But please by all means post the truth that is one reason for the site. Just be honest and sooner or later it will pay as the badones will be weeded out but sadly to say they will quickly be replaced. Happy Hunting.
If she has any knights don't bother pleading a case for Julia Ann/ Baksumcookies. That was some serious douchebaggery she got away for awhile and you'll never convince me it was accidental.
A2
MassageFreak
04-04-14, 07:52
I will admit I like a spinner, but the ladies that aren't also have something to give and generally have a better personality and attitude. I have seen classA and think she's a doll. To me it's not about getting the best looking, it's about who I can connect with that has a nice rate. Don't pass on a bigger gal based on body type. You may be missing out on something awesome. MF
To each their own babe. Everyone has different likes and wants. Thats why this city is so great. We have different strokes for different folks. We have beautiful spinners with a great personality like silk and thicker woman who are sensual like Sinful. Thats what makes this a fantasic sight. I personally love my curves. Thats what makes me a woman. Yes I may have baby fat but that shows that I am even more of a woman and a mother too. I have no regrets of what my beautiful children have done to me because I have something great to live for everyday. But just remember babe, we all have feelings and just like some of you felt of offended over lila raising her prices, some providers will feel offended by some of your alls post too. I perosonally don't because I am happy with myself. IMHO..
Post as little or as much as you want, your choice but why would you run out of chicks to see? The ones that suck don't matter, and if some chick won't see you because they are afraid of a bad review, I'd tell them to up their game. I admit I am kind of spoiled down here with the numbers we have.
A2.The ones who won't see you because they're afraid you might give them bad reviews are the ones you don't want to see anyway. The ones who are just sensitive about anyone reviewing them aren't long for this line of work anyway. Among all the guys who actually provide intel on here, yours is consistently among the most reliable. So, if they don't like it, screw them. Figuratively, not literally.
I will admit I like a spinner, but the ladies that aren't also have something to give and generally have a better personality and attitude. I have seen classA and think she's a doll. To me it's not about getting the best looking, it's about who I can connect with that has a nice rate. Don't pass on a bigger gal based on body type. You may be missing out on something awesome. MF
.Even though I prefer spinners, some of my best experiences ever in the hobby have been with some very large women. But it's such an individual thing. There are some guys for whom a particular look is the very most important thing. I have long suspected that these are guys who are most likely not much fun for women to be with anyway, since it's all about them and their vanity. But that's just a theory, since I wasn't interested in doing any taking or observing for the cause of research.
Operator Error
04-04-14, 10:50
Even though I prefer spinners, some of my best experiences ever in the hobby have been with some very large women. But it's such an individual thing. There are some guys for whom a particular look is the very most important thing. I have long suspected that these are guys who are most likely not much fun for women to be with anyway, since it's all about them and their vanity. But that's just a theory, since I wasn't interested in doing any taking or observing for the cause of research.I for one really like thick ladies. Not taking anything away from thin girls, but I like meat!!
KJ, with all due respect, you are doing the board a disservice by posting "reviews" with no names. It doesn't do anyone any good since reviews are supposed to identify the good, and the bad. If a person has concerns about a particular provider, what you posted wouldn't do him any good since even if he made a concerted effort to do a search for information, your "review" wouldn't come up.
Your review looks more like an ad, with you in the role of the handler. You might as well say, "I have a girl, great skills, but you will need t go through me to get to see her. That's the same job description as Buddha and Steve of EE.
You want to post a review, then post it, good or bad. You want to be a handler, then say so.
But this no naming names, unless you approve of them, well, that's being petty and a bit of a power trip.
Rendezvous at a very clean, nice HOTEL in Cincinnati North (very safe area).
She is a visiting girl (Indys) from Lexington who visits often.
4'11" - neither svelte nor zaftig. Cute boobies (C's).
She screens, you must make first contact by email, but she is quick to respond.
On time with a perfect attitude.
Did we "do it" on the top cover (the same place the last 4 guys came)? NO, there were new clean sheets..
She was fresh out of the shower. Clean soapy smell. She does not smoke..
Attitude: 10 Professionalism: 10 (She was laid back, relaxed, and ready to perform).
Skill:9 Performance:9 Comfortability level:10
Menu was completely full, including but not limited to gfe, open minded things, BBBJ, daty, cfs, dfk, many positions, and msog.
Did she provide clean up after the pop? She wiped me down with a warm wash cloth (a fresh clean one). This was definitely something that I have not recently seen.
Overall pros: (reasons a monger might want to see her). attitude, menu, safety, skills, attitude.
Overall value: extraordinary.
Do not PM me unless you know me or I should know you!
KJ, with all due respect, you are doing the board a disservice by posting "reviews" with no names. It doesn't do anyone any good since reviews are supposed to identify the good, and the bad. If a person has concerns about a particular provider, what you posted wouldn't do him any good since even if he made a concerted effort to do a search for information, your "review" wouldn't come up.
Your review looks more like an ad, with you in the role of the handler. You might as well say, "I have a girl, great skills, but you will need t go through me to get to see her. That's the same job description as Buddha and Steve of EE.
You want to post a review, then post it, good or bad. You want to be a handler, then say so.
But this no naming names, unless you approve of them, well, that's being petty and a bit of a power trip.You will notice this is in blue, hence this is A2 the godlike presence not me the guy talking.
There are many reasons a member might want to withhold a name in a review, we all know what they are so I won't list them. You are correct in saying that writing a review and then withholding a name could be something that a handler would do. When a comment like that is directed at another SR that has been posting here for years, then it's Douchebaggery.
I created the Octagon specifically for stupid shit like this. If you do it again I'm putting you back on moderation. I'm not saying you can't say it. I'm just saying you can't say it on the review threads.
Kenwood Jack knock it off with the
Do not PM me unless I know you, or I should know you. horseshit.
A2
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