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bandwidth.com is a pretty popular phone masking service. Is it specifically sybase365 to avoid in there? Just curious. Looking at this reveal name as an example:
Xxxxxxxxxx is a VoIP number based in US.
It is operated by Google (Grand Central) BWI - Bandwidth.com - SVR.
Owner Name: MAPLE HTS, OH.
Carrier: Google (Grand Central) BWI - Bandwidth.com - SVR.Both of the suspected numbers contained sybase365 yes. Not sure what the ad in question you're referring to looks like so hard to say. Does the woman and background look obviously fake?
Was being facetious about someone intentionally wanting to pick up a kid, but considering the area, and that person reappeared within a few days, I would have a hard time believing they are not browsing this website.
Not necessarily true, have you ever seen how some of the 14 year olds look these days.
Both of the suspected numbers contained sybase365 yes. Not sure what the ad in question you're referring to looks like so hard to say. Does the woman and background look obviously fake?It was one of the rub ratings ads we were talking about in the massage forum. Abby was the name. Had a friend named Tammy as well.
It was one of the rub ratings ads we were talking about in the massage forum. Abby was the name. Had a friend named Tammy as well.Stay away from the ads that specify they have a "friend. ".
BuckeyeGuy2
02-28-22, 19:42
There have been many warnings on this forum to avoid Rockside Rd in the Independence area. 2 more recent stories I found on Cleveland.com:
https://www.cleveland.com/community/2022/02/three-persons-arrested-for-prostitution-independence-police-blotter.html
Prostitution: Rockside Road.
Police arrested a 19-year-old woman at 7:41 pm Jan. 18 for prostitution. Reports said the arrest was the result of an investigation of persons advertising for sex within the city.
There have been many warnings on this forum to avoid Rockside Rd in the Independence area. 2 more recent stories I found on Cleveland.com:
https://www.cleveland.com/community/2022/02/three-persons-arrested-for-prostitution-independence-police-blotter.html
Prostitution: Rockside Road.
Police arrested a 19-year-old woman at 7:41 pm Jan. 18 for prostitution. Reports said the arrest was the result of an investigation of persons advertising for sex within the city.Hotels right off 77 near the bob evans / dennys. Hostile territory! Probably a nosey hotel worker tipped the pigs off.
BuckeyeGuy2
03-01-22, 23:57
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Now viewable on Berea municipal court. Be interesting to see how many hold up. All charged with solely the engaging in prostitution misdemeanor statute, no criminal tools charges filed.
BudBowl2001
03-03-22, 08:32
Are you finding the cases?.
Now viewable on Berea municipal court. Be interesting to see how many hold up. All charged with solely the engaging in prostitution misdemeanor statute, no criminal tools charges filed.
Are you finding the cases?.Go to berea municipal court, search the names from the article is the simplest way. But even if a sting hasnt been announced yet though, another way is alot of court sites will let you search arraignments by bulk in between certain dates, and then you can sort the charges in alphabetical order and look for relevant charges to prostitution cases such as "possessing criminal tools" or "engaging in prostitution " etc.
OneAndDone
03-04-22, 07:38
https://fox8.com/news/columbus-firefighter-among-those-charged-in-ohio-knows-human-trafficking-operation/
Yost in action, catching the bad guys what a joke.
https://fox8.com/news/columbus-firefighter-among-those-charged-in-ohio-knows-human-trafficking-operation/
Yost in action, catching the bad guys what a joke.Since when is f'ing a provider "Human Trafficking "?
Since when is f'ing a provider "Human Trafficking "?When they are underage. The others just get caught up in the bullshit and get busted because prostitution is illegal.
NCoastLover
03-05-22, 06:58
https://roadscaptain.com/switter-the-twitter-for-sex-workers-is-shutting-downMaybe something will appear as a substitute.
When they are underage. The others just get caught up in the bullshit and get busted because prostitution is illegal.Interesting.
I stay clear of the young ones.
GlamourShooter
03-06-22, 14:35
Since when is f'ing a provider "Human Trafficking "?For the most part. They hype it as human trafficking for the media to hype it even more. It makes great headlines and helps increase budgets. In the meantime, actual traffickers run wild.
For the most part. They hype it as human trafficking for the media to hype it even more. It makes great headlines and helps increase budgets. In the meantime, actual traffickers run wild.That's what makes this so ridiculous, they let the real traffickers pour into our borders and city's and they worry about this chicken shit.
ColdFusion2500
03-07-22, 16:42
Since when is f'ing a provider "Human Trafficking "?2016. They were using it hard in Cleveland on SW trade. They'd get in your car then you got hit with human trafficking. Its a thing coming back around. I've even heard people want to make it a rape charge for paying for sex in some states.
2016. They were using it hard in Cleveland on SW trade. They'd get in your car then you got hit with human trafficking. Its a thing coming back around. I've even heard people want to make it a rape charge for paying for sex in some states.Not the law, just what they call it in the news. They call it a human trafficking sting instead of a prostitution sting. However nobody ever gets charged with trafficking in these, only engaging in prostitution formerly known as soliciting. Unless they said something absolutely stupid in their text thread like trying to get a woman for their friend. In that case that will fall under procuring still a 1st degree misdemeanor. But never trafficking. In fact, in the trafficking statute in the ORC, there is this specific line "In a prosecution under this section, proof that the defendant engaged in sexual activity with any person, or solicited sexual activity with any person, whether or not for hire, without more, does not constitute a violation of this section. " so until that would be changed no average joe nobody trying to get an escort / SW would be charged under actual trafficking, that is a statute reserved for true pieces of shit.
even a piece of shit like this did not get trafficking charge just other felonies. https://www.10tv.com/video/news/local/westerville-man-accused-of-posing-as-police-officer-attempting-to-coerce-sex-from-undercover-cop/530-e4cc0391-d371-4dbf-8669-de5372be20e3 they are free to bust dudes like this all day every day in my eyes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI6BpKD3hRw
Great stuff to be learned from this! One of the toughest sheriffs in the nation. All these people are fucking idiots. A former sheriff and a judge! How can they be that stupid?
C92.
Lugguy 135
03-17-22, 12:38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI6BpKD3hRw
Great stuff to be learned from this! One of the toughest sheriffs in the nation. All these people are fucking idiots. A former sheriff and a judge! How can they be that stupid?.4 Disney Employees caught in the sting as well_Hi hoe Hi hoe its' off to work we go. .
. . . Every time I see the fake ads, I see a sting article or Yost in the news a couple days later saying: "Dohnt buy shexx in Ohia" LOL. C92.Ohio officials seem to have done little (save for the big bust in Warren a few years ago) about "traveling Asians."
Moving those women around has got to be an organized enterprise.
I am surprised that Yost's efforts appear to have had no substantial effect on the local AMPs.
https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/humantrafficking
Ohio officials seem to have done little (save for the big bust in Warren a few years ago) about "traveling Asians."
Moving those women around has got to be an organized enterprise.
I am surprised that Yost's efforts appear to have had no substantial effect on the local AMPs.
https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/humantraffickingThat is why I don't frequent AMPs and never have. I prefer to get to know escorts and get at least a feel for their situations before I take the plunge.
. . . I prefer to get to know escorts and get at least a feel for their situations before I take the plunge.I agree.
Getting a feel is important.
That is why I don't frequent AMPs and never have. I prefer to get to know escorts and get at least a feel for their situations before I take the plunge.I'm the total opposite of the spectrum, I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
They are a commodity, a living service to my cock, they don't really matter.
I'm the total opposite of the spectrum, I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
They are a commodity, a living service to my cock, they don't really matter.Different strokes and no judgement, you are a fellow brilliant mind on this forum and I have learned alot from your posts. That outlook in and of itself isn't a bad thing, its the woman beater types that are scum, those types exist in and out of the hobby. I'm no a captain save a ho, I would never pay out the ass like some of these clowns do paying thousands and trying to wife them up meanwhile I'm banging the same lady for 100, I have that in common with a lot of the gents who share your outlook in that I don't give in to GPS and I'm sure we both find those clowns that do humorous. I just prefer the lady to at least be attracted to me somewhat and I treat them as an equal as I do with everyone in life, I talk to the crack head the same as I talk to my boss, no ass kissing but straight up respect. That's why when I decline to send a face pic I always specify, "if I get there and you don't like what you see, ill leave immediately without any pushback. " it usually works, when I get there I'm never turned down.
C92.
Hello friends Ohio prostitution task force is running sting operation in Cleveland and surrounding area from today 06/23 thru 07/04. Please don't contact new adv in skip the games or list crawler.
Be careful COPs are all over until July 4th and their parasite task force.
Hello friends Ohio prostitution task force is running sting operation in Cleveland and surrounding area from today 06/23 thru 07/04. Please don't contact new adv in skip the games or list crawler.
Be careful COPs are all over until July 4th and their parasite task force.LOL there are no real ads on Cleveland SKG at all! With there being no legit ads left, this will be a huge turn out LOL. Ill be out of state getting laid. Have fun all! Can't wait to see the arraignments probably on berea / garfield municipal case search. Wonder which big fish they catch this time? Maybe Hunter Biden? All theyd have to do is crop AOC's face onto a female mannequin's body and take a picture of it in front of the Noble Motel in East Cleveland and he would show up with a raging boner like he did in the youtube series "Fresh Prez of DC". I can already hear Yost in the news in his phony rich guy voice: "he shoawd uhp with condohms, and sevaral CRACK PIAHPS. If it werent for these johns monayy there would be none of this goin on".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbu1j94o90U
C92.
BudBowl2001
06-24-22, 09:31
https://cleveland.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/not-proud-of-itbut/061553617717
Hello friends Ohio prostitution task force is running sting operation in Cleveland and surrounding area from today 06/23 thru 07/04. Please don't contact new adv in skip the games or list crawler.
Be careful COPs are all over until July 4th and their parasite task force.
So now with Roe Vs Wade overturned, what have we accomplished from these last two clowns in office? More freedom lost because guys born in the 30's and 40's are still in control of our country. First FOSTA, then $4.99 gas, and now this garbage. We are no more then a nation of prisoners with no rights. they could have passed bills to end hunger and create universal healthcare. but no. we get our money wasted on bills the majority of the voters dont even want passed, FOSTA and house bill 431. Fucking horse shit.
https://cleveland.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/not-proud-of-itbut/061553617717I don't know why anyone would even be stupid enough to reply to that ad.
I don't know why anyone would even be stupid enough to reply to that ad.They literally could apply no effort and have dumbass after dumbass show up. I guarantee you if any of us created a SKG ad and posted a picture of Megan Fox and say 50 HH, our inbox will be flooded within minutes.
They literally could apply no effort and have dumbass after dumbass show up. I guarantee you if any of us created a SKG ad and posted a picture of Megan Fox and say 50 HH, our inbox will be flooded within minutes.It's actually tempting to post a fake STG with Megan Fox and beneath the photos specify, "hey, responding to these is bound to get you arrested. ".
So now with Roe Vs Wade overturned, what have we accomplished from these last two clowns in office? More freedom lost because guys born in the 30's and 40's are still in control of our country. First FOSTA, then $4.99 gas, and now this garbage. We are no more then a nation of prisoners with no rights. they could have passed bills to end hunger and create universal healthcare. but no. we get our money wasted on bills the majority of the voters dont even want passed, FOSTA and house bill 431. Fucking horse shit.Divide and Conquer, baby, Divide & Conquer. Enough with the guys born in the 30's and 40's running this country. Unfortunately, there are still plenty of them born in those years that are still voting.
It's actually tempting to post a fake STG with Megan Fox and beneath the photos specify, "hey, responding to these is bound to get you arrested. ".I mean, now that I know what ad caught elyria councilman Mark, an ad like you suggest might catch Yost and his wife. Make one with just Megan Fox and the other crop a picture of Fabio's face onto Megan Fox's body and see where the chips fall. And the sting location can be the exact same that caught Mark, attached in belows picture. Such an obvious trap.
C92.
I mean, now that I know what ad caught elyria councilman Mark, an ad like you suggest might catch Yost and his wife. Make one with just Megan Fox and the other crop a picture of Fabio's face onto Megan Fox's body and see where the chips fall. And the sting location can be the exact same that caught Mark, attached in belows picture. Such an obvious trap.
C92.Exactly! Plus, a fake warning ad could do some good. Maybe some poor college kid who just got dumped by his girlfriend will see an ad like ours and think twice before getting caught. We've all been in a situation like that. Like you, I marvel at how some idiot might actually believe some of these ads, but the truth is, I've also been that idiot.
Cheetah688
06-25-22, 13:51
So now with Roe Vs Wade overturned, what have we accomplished from these last two clowns in office? More freedom lost because guys born in the 30's and 40's are still in control of our country. First FOSTA, then $4.99 gas, and now this garbage. We are no more then a nation of prisoners with no rights. they could have passed bills to end hunger and create universal healthcare. but no. we get our money wasted on bills the majority of the voters dont even want passed, FOSTA and house bill 431. Fucking horse shit.Overturning are v W did not make them illegal. It placed the decision of legality back where it rightfully belongs, at the State level. I for one don't want the federal government dictating what I can and cannot do and I'm pretty sure that neither do you. Read the Constitution and see what the roll the federal government is supposed to play.
Overturning are v W did not make them illegal. It placed the decision of legality back where it rightfully belongs, at the State level. I for one don't want the federal government dictating what I can and cannot do and I'm pretty sure that neither do you. Read the Constitution and see what the roll the federal government is supposed to play.I feel where you are coming from. I can tolerate what's happened to a degree. I have a problem with disgusting scumbags like Kay Ivey trying to criminalize it if Alabama residents go to other states where its legal. If someone smokes weed in ohio for example, thanks to Kasich getting rid of the scumbag Solomon Lautenberg Amendement, its a harmless fine with no additional penalties as it should be. But in Wyoming for example its a big time crime. You don't see Wyoming calling Ohio to see if their residents smoked weed while they were there are on vacation and try to charge under their statute do you? No. So the same needs to apply for this as well.
TheMultiverse
06-25-22, 18:07
It placed the decision of legality back where it rightfully belongs, at the State level.WHY does it belong at the state level?
WHY does it belong at the state level?There is a body of American political history / constitutional law known as "State's Rights. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States'_rights.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/states-rights
There is a body of American political history / constitutional law known as "States' Rights. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States'_rights.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/states-rightsThat link from wiki on "States' Rights" didn't paste correctly in my earlier post.
Here is another try:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States'_rights.
The question earlier was why is the right to an abortion best decided at the state level, as was recently ruled so by the you S Supreme Court.
That link from wiki on "States' Rights" didn't paste correctly in my earlier post.
Here is another try:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States'_rights.
The question earlier was why is the right to an abortion best decided at the state level, as was recently ruled so by the you S Supreme Court.For whatever reason, the URL isn't pasting correctly.
One more time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States%27_rights
If this fails again, use Google to look for States' Rights.
https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/06/ohio-gop-attorney-generals-son-daughter-in-law-publicly-split-with-dave-yost-on-abortion-rights.html?fbclid=IwAR0TQf3UpVM-fYBzy9y5O-VkHXzpke59VROyi6zstrENn5vzaE7bAWui-yc
Even this clown's own family isn't a big fan of his archaic views. Wonder what they think of him destroying people's lives in hooker stings for his political innuendo and pleasure. I'd love to do an interview with them about what they think of his terrible policies someday, displaying the facts that I've researched from docket sheets.
C92
LoveSixNine
07-01-22, 15:48
Dave Yost is 100% garbage. He keeps refusing to put pot on the ballot eben though the signatures have been collected. So much for representation.
https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/06/ohio-gop-attorney-generals-son-daughter-in-law-publicly-split-with-dave-yost-on-abortion-rights.html?fbclid=IwAR0TQf3UpVM-fYBzy9y5O-VkHXzpke59VROyi6zstrENn5vzaE7bAWui-yc
Even this clown's own family isn't a big fan of his archaic views. Wonder what they think of him destroying people's lives in hooker stings for his political innuendo and pleasure. I'd love to do an interview with them about what they think of his terrible policies someday, displaying the facts that I've researched from docket sheets.
LoveSixNine
07-01-22, 16:54
Dave Yost also keeps denying legal pot to be on the ballot. Signatures were collected so IMO its really not his tight to deny it.
https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/06/ohio-gop-attorney-generals-son-daughter-in-law-publicly-split-with-dave-yost-on-abortion-rights.html?fbclid=IwAR0TQf3UpVM-fYBzy9y5O-VkHXzpke59VROyi6zstrENn5vzaE7bAWui-yc
Even this clown's own family isn't a big fan of his archaic views. Wonder what they think of him destroying people's lives in hooker stings for his political innuendo and pleasure. I'd love to do an interview with them about what they think of his terrible policies someday, displaying the facts that I've researched from docket sheets.
Dave Yost also keeps denying legal pot to be on the ballot. Signatures were collected so IMO its really not his tight to deny it.Yost certified a petition for a marijuana legalization initiative that activists were hoping to place on the state's 2022 ballot.
https://www.marijuanamoment.net/ohio-attorney-general-certifies-2022-marijuana-legalization-ballot-petition/
It appears that initiative will be on the statewide ballot on November 7, 2023.
https://ballotpedia.org/Ohio_Marijuana_Legalization_Initiative_(2023).
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The reports of that white SUV and now black van remind me of the original Mission Impossible TV series (1966).
Peter Lupus was the actor who always drove the large van with all the electronic gear and other gadgets.
The series was ahead of its time, for those of you who may remember it.
LE had installed a surreptitious camera in the Florida AMP that was used to bust NE Patriots owner Robert Kraft and others.
A Florida court threw out the resulting video.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/robert-kraft-massage-parlor-arrest-sex-worker-fined-1098303/
There is a vacant store front or two in that strip.
Would be funny if the vehicles in question belonged to plumbers or electricians doing work for the plaza's owner.The Florida bust was A set up. You people are paranoid as fuck. No one in law enforcement gives a shit if your being jacked off in a shop. Think about it. What could they even do if the police walked in. You're getting a massage. Thousands of people do everyday. If you are scanning the parking lot for cars you need a new hobby. I'm not even believing what I'm reading. Pull up. Go in. Pay your money and forget about it. I guess stupid is as stupid does. Like someone has time to stake out a shithole AMP.
. . . No one in law enforcement gives a shit if your being jacked off in a shop. Think about it. What could they even do if the police walked in. You're getting a massage. Thousands of people do everyday. If you are scanning the parking lot for cars you need a new hobby. I'm not even believing what I'm reading. Pull up. Go in. Pay your money and forget about it. I guess stupid is as stupid does. Like someone has time to stake out a shithole AMP.
Really?
https://www.fox19.com/2021/12/15/west-chester-massage-parlour-accused-sex-trafficking-women-police-say/
https://www.wfmj.com/story/18818469/hearing-to-keep-warren-massage-parlors-closed-is-delayed?
Really?
https://www.fox19.com/2021/12/15/west-chester-massage-parlour-accused-sex-trafficking-women-police-say/
https://www.wfmj.com/story/18818469/hearing-to-keep-warren-massage-parlors-closed-is-delayed?If those held up in court against the dudes its because they fucked themselves and talked.
BuckNuts49
07-12-22, 08:29
If those held up in court against the dudes its because they fucked themselves and talked.My favorite part of the article was "Five suspected victims of human trafficking were identified. West Chester helped three women and Chillicothe helped two. ".
Five women were saved from human trafficking. What an effin joke.
If those held up in court against the dudes its because they fucked themselves and talked.
Thanks, Chunks.
The issue in this discussion is whether LE would stake out an AMP.
Clearly, that is what happened in the AMP busts of 2012 in Warren.
/quote
"Investigative notes from the county prosecutors office and the state Bureau of Criminal Investigation, the investigative arm of DeWines office, were recently released to the Tribune Chronicle. The notes reveal statements from spa employees, surveillance results and information about evidence collected during a sweep of the spas on May 30, 2012."
https://www.tribtoday.com/news/local-news/2014/06/despite-prostitution-allegations-still-no-charges-in-spa-cases/
Key words: surveillance results
Regarding the 2012 AMP bust in Trumbull County, 38 men were identified through videotaping done near the parlors.
None of the 38 were able to remain silent after their arrests.
They escaped convictions in exchange for their cooperation in the investigation.
They did not escape notoriety. Their names were published.
https://vindyarchives.com/news/2012/jun/14/-customers-of-warren-massage-parlors-ord/
Thanks, Chunks.
The issue in this discussion is whether LE would stake out an AMP.
Clearly, that is what happened in the AMP busts of 2012 in Warren.
/quote
"Investigative notes from the county prosecutors office and the state Bureau of Criminal Investigation, the investigative arm of DeWines office, were recently released to the Tribune Chronicle. The notes reveal statements from spa employees, surveillance results and information about evidence collected during a sweep of the spas on May 30, 2012."
https://www.tribtoday.com/news/local-news/2014/06/despite-prostitution-allegations-still-no-charges-in-spa-cases/
Key words: surveillance resultsNo doubt they would and I wasnt discrediting you or saying they wouldn't. I worded it slightly improperly, they fucked themselves in addition to talking is how I should have worded it. AMPs are risky business, that is why I don't partake for reasons like this plus asian ladies just arent my cup of tea. Lot easier and much higher probability of them conducting surveillance on a place where all those people are going in and out, then on an escort who jumps from hotel to hotel. But all that surveillance and only 38? That is the tip of the iceberg, there are thousands of dudes that go in and out of those type of places every day. Those were the guys that did shit like put their real name down, paid electronic those few times as stated in the article, or were just obvious when conducting business. That is why me personally I never pay with any electronic or card, I've had escorts ask me to get rooms for them as part of the donation, what I do is pay for it cash but they have to put it in their name so nothing is tied to me. Then we go to room do our business and then I leave and they keep the room. Wrap what I have in a folded up paper envelope and pretend to drop it, throw it somewhere in the room, or put it under a pillow, guarding against that 0.00001 percent chance that the escort I'm seeing might be gathering evidence. That coupled with the fact that I never say anything incriminating when I get there. Those guys probably did. Technically if you boil it down, money has never changed hands in any single mongering escapade I've ever had. I had a couple envelopes on me at any given time and whoops, seems I dropped the envelope full of cash and the escort happened to find it and i happened to not want it back.
L O L.
C92.
My favorite part of the article was "Five suspected victims of human trafficking were identified. West Chester helped three women and Chillicothe helped two. ".
Five women were saved from human trafficking. What an effin joke.Why is it a joke?
In what way is the rescue of women from human trafficking funny?
. . . AMPs are risky business, that is why I don't partake for reasons like this . . . Lot easier and much higher probability of them conducting surveillance on a place where all those people are going in and out, than on an escort who jumps from hotel to hotel . . . That is why . . . I never pay with any electronic or card, I've had escorts ask me to get rooms for them as part of the donation, what I do is pay for it cash but they have to put it in their name so nothing is tied to me. Then we go to room do our business and then I leave and they keep the room. Wrap what I have in a folded up paper envelope and pretend to drop it, throw it somewhere in the room, or put it under a pillow, guarding against that 0.00001 percent chance that the escort I'm seeing might be gathering evidence. That coupled with the fact that I never say anything incriminating when I get there. Those guys probably did. Technically if you boil it down, money has never changed hands in any single mongering escapade I've ever had. I had a couple envelopes on me at any given time and whoops, seems I dropped the envelope full of cash and the escort happened to find it and i happened to not want it back.
L O L.
C92.My hat's off to you, Chunks.
No one is more careful with an inherently risky hobby than you.
Stay safe.
Member #6192
07-12-22, 13:25
Why is it a joke?
In what way is the rescue of women from human trafficking funny?I'm guessing he thinks it's funny because it's likely horseshit.
I'm guessing he thinks it's funny because it's likely horseshit.Man. You are easily triggered. Ha ha. Good luck with your paranoia.
I'm guessing he thinks it's funny because it's likely horseshit.Practically impossible to fathom that those identified as sex trafficking victims are not in fact so.
https://www.ice.gov/features/human-trafficking-victim-shares-story
The initiative has too many participants (including the news media) to be grounded in falsehood.
https://humantrafficking.ohio.gov/about.html
https://humantrafficking.ohio.gov/data-reports.html
https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Human-Trafficking-Summit
https://highlandcountypress.com/Content/In-The-News/Headlines/Article/AG-Dave-Yost-announces-success-of-anti-human-trafficking-operation-in-Cleveland/2/73/77116
Tonto Monger
07-12-22, 14:35
Practically impossible to fathom that those identified as sex trafficking victims are not in fact so.
https://www.ice.gov/features/human-trafficking-victim-shares-story
The initiative has too many participants (including the news media) to be grounded in falsehood.
https://humantrafficking.ohio.gov/about.html
https://humantrafficking.ohio.gov/data-reports.html
https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Human-Trafficking-Summit
https://highlandcountypress.com/Content/In-The-News/Headlines/Article/AG-Dave-Yost-announces-success-of-anti-human-trafficking-operation-in-Cleveland/2/73/77116Sure human trafficking exists and it's a deplorable thing perpetrated by despicable animals. That said, portraying every drug-addled streetwalker, and 50-something AMP worker as a human trafficking "victim" is horseshit, and has the effect of minimizing the impact on real victims.
Practically impossible to fathom that those identified as sex trafficking victims are not in fact so.
https://www.ice.gov/features/human-trafficking-victim-shares-story
The initiative has too many participants (including the news media) to be grounded in falsehood.
https://humantrafficking.ohio.gov/about.html
https://humantrafficking.ohio.gov/data-reports.html
https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Human-Trafficking-Summit
https://highlandcountypress.com/Content/In-The-News/Headlines/Article/AG-Dave-Yost-announces-success-of-anti-human-trafficking-operation-in-Cleveland/2/73/77116Its definitely a real thing brother, but the way Yost, the courts, and LEO go about it is wrong. The way they go about it makes it seem like they are trying to control womens bodies. If they really wanted to stop trafficking they wouldn't be on skipthegames like flies on shit LOL. very few of them on skip are trafficked, i dont feel like ive ever visited a woman off of there that was in a bad situation and i try to get a read on things before i just take the plunge. all of them have been basically normal women who have good conversation, who are hornier then most and some are recreational drug users. Most just do it to support their families or buy drugs, and some because they enjoy the work and quick money. their body, their choice to put what drugs they want in it. Their pussy, not the government's pussy. I'd actually say they are more likely to come across victims in places such as AMP's, and they don't focus on those that much, and when they do, they charge the women involved. Very few victims have been helped through these operations, most are just consenting sex workers that end up fueling the court system and getting the attention so when Yost hits up DC they pour federal dollars into Ohio for future operations. I know women that have been in the stings and am good friends with some of them. Believe me, they do not help them. if anything the cops and courts are taking food out of these women's mouths and fueling the problem even further.
https://www.wyso.org/local-and-statewide-news/2021-10-18/the-ohio-ag-says-stings-rescue-trafficking-victims-often-that-means-theyre-arrested
To end human trafficking, we must first decriminalize consenting adult sex work.
C92.
Sure human trafficking exists and it's a deplorable thing perpetrated by despicable animals. That said, portraying every drug-addled streetwalker, and 50-something AMP worker as a human trafficking "victim" is horseshit, and has the effect of minimizing the impact on real victims.Exactly. And as far as the political movement to portray the consenting workers as victims, all that the movement is, is a cover up of all of the disgusting shit that our government is doing and getting away with. Lot easier for Yost and all the elites to shift the responsibility of bearing the title of misdemeanant and felon onto the poor streetwalkers and poorer johns then hold their wealthy colleagues accountable.
C92.
Sure human trafficking exists and it's a deplorable thing perpetrated by despicable animals. That said, portraying every drug-addled streetwalker, and 50-something AMP worker as a human trafficking "victim" is horseshit, and has the effect of minimizing the impact on real victims.It was never my intent to portray every streetwalker or AMP worker as a human trafficking victim.
The links I posted are the approaches taken by Ohio's chief law enforcement officer, Dave Yost, and others on the Federal level.
I posted the links FYI.
There are pros and cons on prostitution.
The issue is far from settled.
https://prostitution.procon.org
. . . Lot easier for Yost and all the elites to shift the responsibility of bearing the title of misdemeanant and felon onto the poor streetwalkers and poorer johns then hold their wealthy colleagues accountable. C92.
What is it that Yost and colleagues should be held accountable for?
Prostitution has existed in every society for which there are written records.
Throughout history, civilizations have taken opposing views of prostitutes and the sex trade.
Today, prostitution is illegal in much of the world.
A life-changing transformation would be required for AG Yost to go against the prevailing tide.
Voters in Ohio overwhelmingly approve of his performance, in my view.
The issue is much larger than Yost.
My hat's off to you, Chunks.
No one is more careful with an inherently risky hobby than you.
Stay safe.I'm guessing based upon your screen name you are a female. Is that correct Sue star? I'm also guessing you have never shared intel on a provider on this forum. Is that also correct? The information to links you provide on this site has already been shared many times over. Nothing new here. Just wondering why you on a site meant to share information about women providing sex for men and you have not shared any.
Man. You are easily triggered. Ha ha. Good luck with your paranoia.Paranoia is the irrational and persistent feeling that one is the subject of persistent, intrusive attention by others.
When engaging in an activity prohibited by law, one is in theory, if not in fact, the subject of law enforcement's attention.
There is always a risk of detection and arrest, and one can never be too careful.
You'll need better material to make it as a comedian.
I'm guessing based upon your screen name you are a female. Is that correct Sue star? I'm also guessing you have never shared intel on a provider on this forum. Is that also correct? The information to links you provide on this site has already been shared many times over. Nothing new here. Just wondering why you on a site meant to share information about women providing sex for men and you have not shared any.No rational woman would support what Yost is doing, essentially he supports policies that control their bodies, such as his anti hooker stance and stance on roe v wade. The only women that do support Yost are the ones in his clique that do the press conferences (I'm sure even many of them are faking it for a leg up in their careers) and the abusive wives past their prime worrying about their old man cheating on them with hookers and worrying about them losing their husbands life insurance policies.
C92.
I'm guessing based upon your screen name you are a female. Is that correct Sue star? I'm also guessing you have never shared intel on a provider on this forum. Is that also correct? The information to links you provide on this site has already been shared many times over. Nothing new here. Just wondering why you on a site meant to share information about women providing sex for men and you have not shared any.
If you don't care for the content of my posts, you have the option to ignore it.
Sure human trafficking exists and it's a deplorable thing perpetrated by despicable animals. That said, portraying every drug-addled streetwalker, and 50-something AMP worker as a human trafficking "victim" is horseshit, and has the effect of minimizing the impact on real victims.As with most government operations, there is always a tendency to inflate results for media coverage and funding.
Your concern about overstated numbers of human trafficking victims is valid.
See this report from the GAO in 2006.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-06-825-highlights.pdf
I'm guessing based upon your screen name you are a female. Is that correct Sue star? I'm also guessing you have never shared intel on a provider on this forum. Is that also correct? The information to links you provide on this site has already been shared many times over. Nothing new here. Just wondering why you on a site meant to share information about women providing sex for men and you have not shared any.This website is a large bulletin board.
There is no requirement for participants to share information.
When I have pertinent information, I share it with friends through private messaging (PM).
You have not qualified for friendship.
Another overblown publicity seeking government job. Yes, human trafficking exists, however it is being used to justify a lot of bullshit.
Whenever I encounter a new woman, and I have encountered many, many women over the last 48 years, I always tell them that if they are not doing what they do of their own accord I will be happy to take them to a woman's shelter. Not one time have I had one say, "Take me away from here. " Not once. In fact, I have offered several woman entry to drug rehab and treatment programs, because I have a contact who finds beds for people in need of treatment. I even offered a couple of them an apartment, help in getting their IDs back, help in getting a job. They don't want it!
They love the life. I can't understand it, I made such an offer last winter to a girl who told me she was homeless and freezing her ass off and hungry, and she wouldn't accept. Likely she was trying to scam me, but who knows.
Cheech.
Another overblown publicity seeking government job. Yes, human trafficking exists, however it is being used to justify a lot of bullshit.
Whenever I encounter a new woman, and I have encountered many, many women over the last 48 years, I always tell them that if they are not doing what they do of their own accord I will be happy to take them to a woman's shelter. Not one time have I had one say, "Take me away from here. " Not once. In fact, I have offered several woman entry to drug rehab and treatment programs, because I have a contact who finds beds for people in need of treatment. I even offered a couple of them an apartment, help in getting their IDs back, help in getting a job. They don't want it!
They love the life. I can't understand it, I made such an offer last winter to a girl who told me she was homeless and freezing her ass off and hungry, and she wouldn't accept. Likely she was trying to scam me, but who knows.
Cheech.Same here Cheech, I always feel out the situation, and even have gotten ladies out of bad situations. I'd venture to say, as you said, 90 percent enjoy what they are doing at least to a degree. I myself have been both homeless and owned a home free and clear at different points in my life, and understand that for alot of people simplicity is much easier then maintaining a high or even decent standard of living depending on various factors, mental health struggles and anxiety being a significant portion of that. And it doesn't get much easier then getting paid to lay on your back, take a dick, eat, shit, and pack your nose all day. I respect the hell out of what they are doing because, despite dropping about 30 k on the hobby over the last decade, that is cheaper then alimony, divorce, a wedding, and attorneys, and with a lot fewer headaches. They have actually saved me money and problems when you boil it down to the final analysis, and i now enter my 30s with a completely clean slate without some broad zapping my account every month for alimony, which leads to opportunity for possibly a better woman to potentially consider a relationship with then those ive dealt with in the past. I understand them targeting johns because a lot of johns treat the escorts like shit. But the reality is a lot of us do good work through our hobbying such as what me and you have done, and a good percentage of others on this board are the same way. and I bet you they get just as many harmless guys through the stings as they do pieces of shit. The real reason Yost and the elites are against our hobby is because a lot of the elites wouldn't have a job if the hobby was accepted by society. Less marriage counselors, less divorce attorneys, etc. and branding it as "human trafficking" is the easiest way to get shitheads who watch the news to support them enforcing the archaic law.
The system hates guys like us because we have beat the system!
C92.
. . . Yes, human trafficking exists, however it is being used to justify a lot of bullshit . . .
The problem is that almost no documented evidence suggests the impact of trafficking is not what LE says it is.
Labeling it as poppycock, without more, won't help the accused monger.
Trafficking provides prosecutors carte blanche to abuse discretion in pushing weak cases.
HoneyBear2076
07-15-22, 09:39
Hey Chunks. Remember that All Star Weekend sting? They could indict only 8 mongers. Looks like other mongers kept their mouth shut and walked. Now they are after the pimps and 7 women.
https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2022/07/man-woman-charged-with-trafficking-women-from-warrensville-heights-motel.html
Hey Chunks. Remember that All Star Weekend sting? They could indict only 8 mongers. Looks like other mongers kept their mouth shut and walked. Now they are after the pimps and 7 women.
https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2022/07/man-woman-charged-with-trafficking-women-from-warrensville-heights-motel.htmlHey brother! Hope all is well!
I do remember this, the disappointing low turnout for them. Glad they are doing this and going after actual scum, good work by them. Far as the poor bastards wrapped up in this, pretty good sting to get caught in, half have plead to either 3rd degree misdemeanor soliciting or 4th degree misdemeanor attempt to commit an offense. The others appear to be entering a diversion program in lieu of conviction. Looks like Berea does the right thing, those guys all looked like either harmless office workers and/or harmless guys who just have a hard time getting laid.
Another interesting Easter egg I found out of the longest ongoing sting in US history, since April 2021 now. I noticed a case where a guy got a sweet deal but was charged way after the fact about 19 days. So here's how it went down, they swarmed him, and he had weed and paraphernalia. That was his first mistake, such a minimal offense but leads to the flood gates opening because it gives them probable cause to do a lot of other shit. Then 19 days later the eng pros and crim tools were filed. So its my speculation that this guy did not have an incriminating log, but he did a police interview, and then after the prosecutors reviewed the interview tape they decided to proceed with the case. Good attorney got him a pair of 4th degree misdemeanor disorderly conducts as well as a dismissed weed charge and a reduce for the paraphernalia to a civil infraction disorderly, 800 or so fine, no probation. Probably due to the fact that the log was not incriminating. Guy probably could and would have beat it at trial, but if I was unfortunate enough to choke and talk to them in that scenario I'm taking that sweet deal and going home too. Just goes to show, best way to avoid anything is to not contact the bogus ads in the first place.
C92.
Voters in Ohio overwhelmingly approve of his performance, in my view.
The issue is much larger than Yost.Have you seen what Yost has been in the news for lately? He will definitely lose supporters because of that, combined with raised awareness as of recent on what these stings actually are, fraudulent and not helping anybody! If anyone votes for him after his comments this past week, they need their head examined. Dettelbach did not lose by that much in 2018. Before these recent news articles I'm not going to lie, I pray every day for a Crossman win, but even I knew at that point in time was a stretch for him to defeat Yost all Yost had to do was keep his mouth shut and just gone about his business and not say anything dumb until November and he probably would have easily won. But now that Yost has fucked up so bad? Its a STRONG possibility that Crossman wins this election. Yost has proved himself to be a scumbag, and his royal fuck up has come at an excellent time!
Vote Crossman!
C92.
Have you seen what Yost has been in the news for lately? He will definitely lose supporters because of thatBecause of what?
Can you be more specific?
combined with raised awareness as of recent on what these stings actually are, fraudulent and not helping anybodyHow were they fraudulent?
Do voters in Ohio who honor family values see fraud in those stings?
If anyone votes for Yost after his comments this past week, they need their head examinedTen (10) of Ohio's eighty eight (88) counties (Butler, Cuyahoga, Franklin, Hamilton, Lorain, Lucas, Mahoning, Montgomery, Summit, Stark) are considered Democratic strongholds.
However, even in those counties, there is Republican support in the suburbs.
The other seventy eight (78) counties are predominantly Republican.
Ohio voted for Trump in both 2016 and 2020.
My guess is that Ohio will re-elect Yost on 8 November 2022.
We'll see.
Dettelbach did not lose by that much in 2018Yost got 52.2% of the vote in 2018. Dettlebach got 47.8% of the vote.
The gap (4.4%) played out as the difference in support from the aforementioned 78/10 Ohio county analysis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Ohio_Attorney_General_election
In the 2022 Primary Election, Yost got 870k votes, while Crossman got 433k votes.
That a difference of 437k votes.
I don't believe Crossman can capture enough of those who voted for Yost in the primary to overcome the gap in November 2022.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Ohio_Attorney_General_election
But now that Yost has fucked up so bad . . . Yost has proved himself to be a scumbagMy guess is scant few Republicans and perhaps a sliver of Democrats look at Yost's rhetoric / performance on prostitution / abortion as a predominant issue.
I believe Yost will win again, as he did in 2018.
Yost has big support from Republicans who want to see him as the next Ohio governor in 2026.
We'll see.
Yost has proved himself to be a scumbag, and his royal fuck up has come at an excellent time!Few Republicans are critical of Yost on prostitution or abortion.
Prostitution is an issue only for mongers, and they are a small part of the electorate, hardly large enough to swing the election against Yost.
But, as always, we shall see what happens in November.
Because of what?
Can you be more specific?
How were they fraudulent?
Do voters in Ohio who honor family values see fraud in those stings?
Ten (10) of Ohio's eighty eight (88) counties (Butler, Cuyahoga, Franklin, Hamilton, Lorain, Lucas, Mahoning, Montgomery, Summit, Stark) are considered Democratic strongholds.
However, even in those counties, there is Republican support in the suburbs.
The other seventy eight (78) counties are predominantly Republican.
Ohio voted for Trump in both 2016 and 2020.
My guess is that Ohio will re-elect Yost on 8 November 2022.
We'll see.
Yost got 52.2% of the vote in 2018. Dettlebach got 47.8% of the vote.
The gap (4.4%) played out as the difference in support from the aforementioned 78/10 Ohio county analysis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Ohio_Attorney_General_election
In the 2022 Primary Election, Yost got 870k votes, while Crossman got 433k votes.
That a difference of 437k votes.
I don't believe Crossman can capture enough of those who voted for Yost in the primary to overcome the gap in November 2022.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Ohio_Attorney_General_election
My guess is scant few Republicans and perhaps a sliver of Democrats look at Yost's rhetoric / performance on prostitution / abortion as a predominant issue.
I believe Yost will win again, as he did in 2018.
Yost has big support from Republicans who want to see him as the next Ohio governor in 2026.
We'll see.
Few Republicans are critical of Yost on prostitution or abortion.
Prostitution is an issue only for mongers, and they are a small part of the electorate, hardly large enough to swing the election against Yost.
But, as always, we shall see what happens in November.Dude, you only see what you see on the news, you clearly have not done the probable 100 hours of research I've done on the subject, or had several friends who have been arrested in these stings, I have heard the real life experiences! You have the piece of paper, i have the degree! Seeing as this hobby is the only illegal thing I've ever done in my life, other then that I'm a law abiding citizen, I made sure I never got in any situations by following a strict code and researching LEO operations as well as this board. They go on the news and lie to the public saying theyve rescued victims when in actuality they are added to our court system, found guilty, and thrown in jail or on house arrest. The courts have hurt and caused setbacks for many of my escort friends in this hobby! I had a good platonic friend who is an escort and i was helping her clean her life up, got her a job, and we were even talking about her getting out of the game and us being a couple. then, the fucking pigs arrested her and she lost her job and went downhill and had to go back to doing what she was doing to survive, and fell back into addiction. I stopped associating with her, leading to her getting offended and me getting robbed, which is what ultimately the event that created Chunks92, it prompted me to do my investigation and identify the sting ads to cost them arrests, as well as get laid as much i desired while i had the money, as payback for the relationship they cost me!!! if the pigs would have just left her alone no doubt in my mind we could have been something special! And this is not about me though, im rebuilding my life at this point and hardly mongering at all, i dont care that i got robbed, and this is not me backing up solely ladies I've fucked, my platonic friends that I've met through my escort friends and ex GFs have been hurt by the courts as well, my push to encourage to vote Crossman is about humanity! How are they helping? How else are they supposed to eat or get ahead in life with this cost of living and the court slapping them with records? They are not "rescuing" anybody, they are controlling what adults do with each other in the bedroom. No " values" are affected by me and a woman fucking. Its not their business just like any anti hooker people's lives are not my business, and hell, it isn't my business if cops and Yost himself are fucking hookers, they SHOULD be able to, its their right!
Please research Yosts comments these past few weeks the dispatch in columbus. Google "dave yost criticism," I'm not going to write more then I have to for this when there is information plastered all over the internet. You are correct that prostitution wasnt enough to swing to Crossman, but this past issue might be enough to give him a chance to win! Might. Even republicans can't be cool with what Yost has said this past week.
C92.
Cleve Loser
07-16-22, 13:06
Dude, you only see what you see on the news, you clearly have not done the probable 100 hours of research I've done on the subject, or had several friends who have been arrested in these stings, I have heard the real life experiences! You have the piece of paper, i have the degree! Seeing as this hobby is only real illegal thing I've ever done in my life, other then that I'm a law abiding citizen, I made sure I never got in any situations by following a strict code and researching LEO operations as well as this board. They go on the news and lie to the public saying theyve rescued victims when in actuality they are added to our court system, found guilty, and thrown in jail or on house arrest. The courts have hurt and caused setbacks for many of my escort friends in this hobby! I had a good platonic friend who was an escort and i was helping her clean her life up, got her a job, and we were even talking about her getting out of the game and us being a couple. then, the fucking pigs arrested her and she lost her job and went downhill and had to go back to doing what she was doing to survive, and fell back into addiction. I stopped associating with her, leading to her getting offended and me getting robbed, which is what ultimately the event that created Chunks92, it prompted me to do my investigation and identify the sting ads to cost them arrests, as well as get laid as much i desired while i had the money, as payback for the relationship they cost me!!! if the pigs would have just left her alone no doubt in my mind we could have been something special! And this is not about me though, im rebuilding my life at this point and hardly mongering at all, i dont care that i got robbed, and this is not me backing up solely ladies I've fucked, my platonic friends that I've met through my escort friends and ex GFs have been hurt by the courts as well, my push to encourage to vote Crossman is about humanity! How are they helping? How else are they supposed to eat or get ahead in life with this cost of living and the court slapping them with records? They are not "rescuing" anybody, they are controlling what adults do with each other in the bedroom. No " values" are affected by me and a woman fucking. Its not their business just like any anti hooker people's lives are not my business, and hell, it isn't my business if cops and Yost himself are fucking hookers, they SHOULD be able to, its their right!
Please research Yosts comments these past few weeks the dispatch in columbus. Google "dave yost criticism," I'm not going to write more then I have to for this when there is information plastered all over the internet. You are correct that prostitution wasnt enough to swing to Crossman, but this past issue might be enough to give him a chance to win! Might. Even republicans can't be cool with what Yost has said this past week.
C92.I don't get the idea the SuStar is a Yost supporter. He / she / they are just saying that Yost will probably win. And I would imagine that is the case. I would absolutely bet on it. You know people that got screwed by LEO and I don't doubt that will cost him a few votes but I think you may underestimate how many people that entails AND the capacity for cognitive dissonance in the average person. So while your friend may vote against Yost (altho lets be real, most of the people hurt byt LEO simply don't vote) but her mom and brother may still vote for him for whatever hairbrained reason humans come up with to vote in elections.
Regardless, Republicans own OH and they are only creating more of a gap. Its not 2008 anymore and Obama aint walking thru that door. (and even if he did, well the left now knows exactly who he is and he probably wouldn't carry OH on that alone as we are completely disaffected from the Dems at this point. And the right has only become more radicalized such that many who did vote Obama or Dem at any point in their life will never do so again bc they think Dems eat babies and traffic kids. Well they do, but so do Repubs).
Member #6192
07-16-22, 13:16
Dude, you only see what you see on the news, you clearly have not done the probable 100 hours of research I've done on the subject, or had several friends who have been arrested in these stings, I have heard the real life experiences! You have the piece of paper, i have the degree! Seeing as this hobby is the only illegal thing I've ever done in my life, other then that I'm a law abiding citizen, I made sure I never got in any situations by following a strict code and researching LEO operations as well as this board. They go on the news and lie to the public saying theyve rescued victims when in actuality they are added to our court system, found guilty, and thrown in jail or on house arrest. The courts have hurt and caused setbacks for many of my escort friends in this hobby! I had a good platonic friend who is an escort and i was helping her clean her life up, got her a job, and we were even talking about her getting out of the game and us being a couple. then, the fucking pigs arrested her and she lost her job and went downhill and had to go back to doing what she was doing to survive, and fell back into addiction. I stopped associating with her, leading to her getting offended and me getting robbed, which is what ultimately the event that created Chunks92, it prompted me to do my investigation and identify the sting ads to cost them arrests, as well as get laid as much i desired while i had the money, as payback for the relationship they cost me!!! if the pigs would have just left her alone no doubt in my mind we could have been something special! And this is not about me though, im rebuilding my life at this point and hardly mongering at all, i dont care that i got robbed, and this is not me backing up solely ladies I've fucked, my platonic friends that I've met through my escort friends and ex GFs have been hurt by the courts as well, my push to encourage to vote Crossman is about humanity! How are they helping? How else are they supposed to eat or get ahead in life with this cost of living and the court slapping them with records? They are not "rescuing" anybody, they are controlling what adults do with each other in the bedroom. No " values" are affected by me and a woman fucking. Its not their business just like any anti hooker people's lives are not my business, and hell, it isn't my business if cops and Yost himself are fucking hookers, they SHOULD be able to, its their right!
Please research Yosts comments these past few weeks the dispatch in columbus. Google "dave yost criticism," I'm not going to write more then I have to for this when there is information plastered all over the internet. You are correct that prostitution wasnt enough to swing to Crossman, but this past issue might be enough to give him a chance to win! Might. Even republicans can't be cool with what Yost has said this past week.
C92.That's the problem C92. You're doing 100 hours of research. The average pleb mouth breather is not. They are hearing "trafficking" in the first report about a huge bust, but not the follow up where no trafficking was found and their bust was a crock of shit.
That's the problem C92. You're doing 100 hours of research. The average pleb mouth breather is not. They are hearing "trafficking" in the first report about a huge bust, but not the follow up where no trafficking was found and their bust was a crock of shit.Agree with what you and Cleve said brother. And I see it from all angles, don't get me wrong, for as many good people as they fuck over there are just as many very satisfying and rightful arrests that these task forces have made like the scumbag Cuyahoga prosecutor for example. The courts gave him an undeserving plea, there are guys in jail for misdemeanors and he got off scot free for a heinous felony. yet thats the shit they dont put in the news and try to hide, you have to look at the docket sheets to find that out. Unfortunate because the judge in that situation is a good judge i like a lot of other work he has done, the blame i guess falls on the prosecutor for offering that plea.
And who knows, they could have done me a favor by destroying what me and my friend once had, theres no telling if she would have went back to drugs down the road or not. But they took away even that opportunity from her. I don't care about what I lost in that situation, its more about her and preventing these situations from re occurring. Its the cops' fault that she went back to drugs, I had her on the right path and they fucked it up for her by arresting her.
C92.
I did what Chunks said and Googled Yost criticism. Came across a Yost Facebook post where he is criticizing Trump. One paragraph says "The republican party is about freedom - a free people who can worship and speak and live without interference from the government. " That is hypocrisy on steroids. The problem is the religious right think your violating their freedom if you don't follow their rules. If the government allows two consenting adults to have a financial arrangement in exchange for sex, they see it as " interference from the government" on their freedom. The second sentence from that paragraph is "It's about free markets where anybody with hard work and a vision can make their own way." Hypocrisy again. Appeantly if it doesn't follow their religious rules, you can't "make their own way." I 100% agree with the that paragraph from Yost's Facebook post, unfortunately Yost doesn't believe his own definition of the republican party. The religious right sabotaged the republican party. The only way to protect religion is by NOT legislating it. Unfortunately the democrats are also fucking up this country. We need a 3rd party that will be the definition of that paragraph of what the republican party is supposed to be.
Dude, you only see what you see on the news, you clearly have not done the probable 100 hours of research I've done on the subject, or had several friends who have been arrested in these stings, I have heard the real life experiences!.My apology for not doing the kind of homework you've done.
If you would, please provide a "Cliff Notes" summary of your research.
Kindly include a brief description of the activities that got the friends convicted of crimes.
You have the piece of paper, i have the degree!I do have the paper.
I read at least one newspaper every day (The Cleveland Plain Dull, The Denver Post, The Kansas City Star, etc.) at my local public library.
Some habits are just too difficult to break.
I recognize and salute you as the top advocate here on the injustice of prohibiting "sex for hire".
They (LE) go on the news and lie to the public saying they've rescued victims when in actuality they are added to our court system, found guilty, and thrown in jail or on house arrest.LE lied? Shocking!
Please discuss a case where a trafficking victim was jailed, leaving out the identifying details.
What did LE say the victim did that got her jailed?
Ex GFs have been hurt by the courts as well What did the GFs do that got them hurt by the courts?
They are not "rescuing" anybody, they are controlling what adults do with each other in the bedroom.Shocking!
No victim was rescued?
What Ohio criminal statute did LE use to exert control over adult bedroom activity?
No " values" are affected by me and a woman fucking.Agreed.
Maybe their values are about "paying for sex" rather than mere "consensual sex"?
The issue of whether "paying for sex" should be legal is centuries old.
Today one can find university-degreed experts on both sides of the issue.
My point was that the issue goes far beyond Yost.
Lambasting Yost won't get "paying for sex" legalized in Ohio.
Google "Dave Yost criticism"I am aware of criticism about Yost.
My point was that even with that criticism, a majority of voters in Ohio will likely re-elect Yost as AG in November.
I'm not going to write more then I have to for this when there is information plastered all over the internet.You've written plenty, and I greatly appreciate your effort in that regard.
But you are singing to the choir here.
Without more, it will not be heard nor acted upon by rest of Ohio.
Even republicans can't be cool with what Yost has said this past week.They may not be cool with it, but nonetheless they'll vote for Yost and not Crossman in November.
That's the problem C92. You're doing 100 hours of research. The average pleb mouth breather is not. They are hearing "trafficking" in the first report about a huge bust, but not the follow up where no trafficking was found and their bust was a crock of shit.Please post a link to one case, reported as involving trafficking, but later found to have no trafficking, and resulted in a conviction affirmed on appeal.
Surely, some media outlet must have reported on the "follow up" of such a case.
How would you suggest the "average pleb mouth breather" bring LE to account for charging "trafficking" when none was proven?
What do you do when you find such a case?
The religious right sabotaged the republican party. The only way to protect religion is by NOT legislating it. Unfortunately the democrats are also fucking up this country. We need a 3rd party that will be the definition of that paragraph of what the republican party is supposed to be.The Legalize Hookers Now Party?
I think you may underestimate how many people that entails AND the capacity for cognitive dissonance in the average person.What should mongers do to help people who have inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to ousting Yost?
And the right has only become more radicalized such that many who did vote Obama or Dem at any point in their life will never do so again bc they think Dems eat babies and traffic kids. Well they do, but so do Repubs).Shocking!
I don't get the idea the SuStar is a Yost supporter. He / she / they . . .The correct pronoun is he. I am male.
SuStar is an abbreviation of "Suthern Starcross" or a reference to the "Southern Cross".
As you may know, the "Southern Cross" is a small conspicuous constellation in the southern hemisphere lying in the Milky Way near Centaurus.
The four brightest stars form a cross, the longer arm of which points to the south celestial pole.
As you may also know, the North Star or Polaris that marks the position of the north celestial pole is only visible to the northern hemisphere observers.
The five stars of the Southern Cross are displayed on the flag of Australia.
Thank you for your consideration.
The only solution, and I do mean only, is for people to get their heads out of their asses and vote Libertarian. Unfortunately most people vote their self interest and for whoever they think will benefit their pockets. So the solution will never come.
Cheech.
Please post a link to one case, reported as involving trafficking, but later found to have no trafficking, and resulted in a conviction affirmed on appeal.
Surely, some media outlet must have reported on the "follow up" of such a case.
How would you suggest the "average pleb mouth breather" bring LE to account for charging "trafficking" when none was proven?
What do you do when you find such a case?They call it a "human trafficking" operation when its not. Its a prostitution sting. They do that to garner votes, and it makes the guys look like monsters when they are not. There was a guy who told me about a sting he walked into. The cops called them "sex traffickers. " he got his case dismissed, because despite what the FB commentators thought because of the titling, he was charged with a low level misdemeanor and is far from a "trafficker," hes an average guy. Here is what I suggest to bring LE to account. Go after the actual scum of our society. I read a comment by a beloved senior on here about the 4/13/17 sting, where an escort was driven by a middle class guy in his 60's and both of them got arrested, reduced charges, but the pimp who attacked her walked free. This was in a jurisdiction with pansy cops. The seniors comment was along the lines of: "Sucks that they face legal problems, while the pimp walks free. But I understand why LE doesn't go after him, it would be too dangerous. " No disrespect to this particular senior he is a great guy and we have provided each other great intel, but let me tell you what I have to say about that. As Yost would say: "I adamantly reject that idea. " If we are accepting allowing these scumbags to come down from Detroit, ruin our communities, and also bear the title of criminal for them while they walk free? Thats bullshit and makes us look like our heads are up our ass. They need to go after them, that is what they are paid to do. To have that mentality is to have the same mentality as "hey, lets be fairies and let these thugs take over our communities. We might as well give them they keys to our homes. " Heres what i could do to help the situation. I have a bad ticker, and if my health issues worsen as I proceed through my 30's, I will apply as a low ranking officer, push for ending the good guy stings, and try to get these scumbags brought to justice even if it gets me hurt. At least I will have done my part to help make our communities better before I die for honest tax payers, rather then these pansies running these stings on honest taxpayers, getting their statistics, and going home. I get it to an extent because they have a family to go home too, while I have nothing and very few that give a shit about me. despite the fact that I do get a lot of pussy even outside of the hobby, I'm just washed up. But youre telling me, with all these resources and money that they cant think up a plan between all of them to get these pimps instead of johns? Come on! But I guess that's some of what is needed to go after the real scumbags, guys who have nothing to lose working on the police force.
C92.
They call it a "human trafficking" operation when its not. Its a prostitution sting.Human trafficking is big news worldwide.
In instances that you describe, LE likely received intel suggesting a targeted operation would interdict human trafficking.
Of course, not all LE intel leads to arrests of king pins, but LE would be remiss if they did not follow up on intel received.
The failure in Uvalde is a good example of what happens when LE does not act promptly as expected.
It makes the guys look like monsters when they are not. There was a guy who told me about a sting he walked into. The cops called them "sex traffickers". He got his case dismissed.Good thing his charges were dismissed.
Here is what I suggest to bring LE to account. Go after the actual scum of our society. I read a comment by a beloved senior on here about the 4/13/17 sting, where an escort was driven by a middle class guy in his 60's and both of them got arrested, reduced charges, but the pimp who attacked her walked free.LE is far from perfect.
Usually, LE does not let anyone walk free unless they lack probable cause.
Perhaps the really bad guy was providing reliable intel?
We'll never know.
I have a bad ticker, and if my health issues worsen as I proceed through my 30's, I will apply as a low ranking officer.Sorry to hear about your condition.
I had the impression that you were retired in your 60's.
Most LE entrance exams include a physical abilities test, involving running, obstacle course, physical strength.
Too bad all cops are not required to pass that test every two years.
But you're telling me, with all these resources and money that they can't think up a plan between all of them to get these pimps instead of johns? Come on!Going after johns is usually an easy score, resulting in good press coverage.
With all the bad news about cops in recent years, getting good publicity is a priority.
Busting pimps is a bit more challenging, requiring allocating additional scarce resources that apparently they prefer to use on interdicting other crimes.
If prostitution were legalized, regulated, and taxed, resources devoted to prostitution stings and pimp busting could be used elsewhere.
I doubt we'll see than in Ohio during my lifetime.
Cleve Loser
07-17-22, 15:17
What should mongers do to help people who have inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to ousting Yost?
Shocking!Join or start a mutual aid collective and work to build support structures in the community outside of the current political environment. basically the same thing non-mongers should do if they want to effect positive change.
Join or start a mutual aid collective and work to build support structures in the community outside of the current political environment. basically the same thing non-mongers should do if they want to effect positive change.That is a very good suggestion.
However, I believe the effort would require years of ground work to change attitudes about legalizing sex work.
It would also require leading supporters to put themselves on public record as supporting the same.
Some mongers would not care to be associated with the cause in a public way.
I also believe the effort would be a far steeper climb than making cannabis legal for medicinal or recreational purposes.
They call it a "human trafficking" operation when its not. Its a prostitution sting.The difficulty for prosecutors is getting victims to cooperate in proving the coercion.
Statistics from multiple independent sources suggest that significant numbers of American women are forced into sexual servitude by various forms of coercion.
No one should expect LE to refrain for acting on those numbers.
https://deliverfund.org/facts-about-human-trafficking-in-the-us/
https://www.worldwithoutexploitation.org/stats#stat-1.
https://www.state.gov/united-states-advisory-council-on-human-trafficking-annual-report-2021/
https://theexodusroad.com/prostitution-and-human-trafficking-know-the-difference/
The difficulty for prosecutors is getting victims to cooperate in proving the coercion.
Statistics from multiple independent sources suggest that significant numbers of American women are forced into sexual servitude by various forms of coercion.
No one should expect LE to refrain for acting on those numbers.
https://deliverfund.org/facts-about-human-trafficking-in-the-us/
https://www.worldwithoutexploitation.org/stats#stat-1.
https://www.state.gov/united-states-advisory-council-on-human-trafficking-annual-report-2021/
https://theexodusroad.com/prostitution-and-human-trafficking-know-the-difference/Well maybe the cops shouldn't exert violence on them or put them in spit hoods, and the courts shouldn't threaten to charge them if its "difficult to prove" and they really cared about all these things you mention! Until they do, its about control, not helping! I already understand the points you've made and there are valid points. Bottom line is there is a clear difference between women we all see on skipthegames who are clearly doing it out of their own free will, and evil situations like in the movie "Apartment 407. " They arent going to uncover those evil situations by harassing veteran escorts on skipthegames trying to make a living, and to harass those skipthegames ladies is not only ignorant, but also takes away resources that could be used to get people who need it helped, such as individuals like the woman in that movie.
C92.
Laughter is not a sign of being correct.
If one visits the local jails and psych wards, one will hear an abundance of laugher there.
Well maybe the cops shouldn't exert violence on them or put them in spit hoods, and the courts shouldn't threaten to charge them if its "difficult to prove" and they really cared about all these things you mention!The use of force by law enforcement officers is permitted under specific circumstances.
It's never pretty.
Perhaps hookers should think carefully before engaging in criminal activity, or resisting arrest.
Until they do, its about control, not helping!It's about interdicting criminal activity pursuant to law.
Bottom line is there is a clear difference between women we all see on skipthegames who are clearly doing it out of their own free will, and evil situations like in the movie "Apartment 407".Some experts suggest there is no difference.
They say all women who prostitute themselves do so because of abuse and violence in their lives at the hands of men.
They also say that the abuse / violence has made those women incapable of exerting free will when it comes to engaging in prostitution.
They aren't going to uncover those evil situations by harassing veteran escorts on SkipTheGames trying to make a livingLE is mandated with enforcing the law against sex for hire.
That's what cops do.
Escorts and mongers should expect no less.
Perhaps escorts should consider a transition to earning a living within the bounds of law.
Or lobbying for a change in the law.
Laughter is not a sign of being correct.
If one visits the local jails and psych wards, one will hear an abundance of laugher there.
The use of force by law enforcement officers is permitted under specific circumstances.
It's never pretty.
Perhaps hookers should think carefully before engaging in criminal activity, or resisting arrest.
It's about interdicting criminal activity pursuant to law.
Some experts suggest there is no difference.
They say all women who prostitute themselves do so because of abuse and violence in their lives at the hands of men.
They also say that the abuse / violence has made those women incapable of exerting free will when it comes to engaging in prostitution.
LE is mandated with enforcing the law against sex for hire.
That's what cops do.
Escorts and mongers should expect no less.
Perhaps escorts should consider a transition to earning a living within the bounds of law.
Or lobbying for a change in the law.So the "experts" opinion means that womens rights should be infringed upon. Got it. These are the same "experts," mind you, that end up walking into stings, or being busted for even more heinous white collar crime. Their opinion shouldn't affect others lives.
So the "experts" opinion means that women's rights should be infringed upon.Women have no "right" to engage in sex for hire in Ohio.
No one can infringe upon a "right" that does not exist.
Got it.Whosh!
I believe you missed it.
These are the same "experts," mind you, that end up walking into stings, or being busted for even more heinous white collar crime.Link in support of your claim that the "same experts" were caught in stings?
Or are you engaging in wishful thinking?
Their opinion shouldn't affect others lives.No freedom of expression for opinions you don't like?
Women have no "right" to engage in sex for hire in Ohio.
No one can infringe upon a "right" that does not exist.
Whosh!
I believe you missed it.
Link in support of your claim that the "same experts" were caught in stings?
Or are you engaging in wishful thinking?
No freedom of expression for opinions you don't like?https://www.reviewonline.com/news/local-news/2022/03/former-head-of-mercer-county-dtf-faces-prostitution-charges/
https://www.audacy.com/us99/news/local/former-cook-judge-caught-in-fla-prostitution-sting-police
https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2021/08/assistant-cuyahoga-county-prosecutor-arrested-at-justice-center-on-charges-of-trying-to-solicit-sex-from-child-in-mahoning-county.html
https://www.wfmj.com/story/46215966/five-including-a-former-valley-police-officer-caught-in-sex-sting
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-nypd-officers-caught-sting-operation-driving-high-end-escorts-20211013-qro7oaxx3rh3telmxy27dfjqmi-story.html
https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/local_news/local-attorney-among-161-arrested-in-statewide-human-trafficking-sting/article_dfca9722-2b8c-11ec-83bc-bf743fbb3e1d.html
I realize that there is "no right" for a woman selling their pussy. But these cops are arresting and detaining these people just for showing up, with no agreement in place, solely based off of using a certain website, that can be used for dating and other stuff as well. ive even seen lawn mowing services advertised on skip. Its the movement against online dating that is the problem, do you want to live in a world soon where a cop has to accompany you with a woman on a regular online date to a bar to make sure money isnt exchanged? im sure you wouldnt quite enjoy that as no rational human would. but that is the direction this is heading. meanwhile these "experts" and elites are doing far more heinous shit as highlighted in a few of the articles posted. Some of us, such as myself, work bizarre hours and online dating is how we meet women ! ive even heard of pigs hanging out on snapchat posing as escorts as well. if they arrest solely on the website in that scenario, there has to be an ability for the wrongfully detained individual to sue, clearly that site is not primarily used for escorts.
https://www.reviewonline.com/news/local-news/2022/03/former-head-of-mercer-county-dtf-faces-prostitution-charges/
The former head of Mercer County Department Drug Task Force was not a qualified expert on why women turn to prostitution.
But these cops are arresting and detaining these people just for showing up"Merely showing up," without more, doesn't result in a conviction.
Do you want to live in a world soon where a cop has to accompany you with a woman on a regular online date to a bar to make sure money isn't exchanged?There's a point when online dating may become solicitation to engage in prostitution.
Some of us, such as myself, work bizarre hours and online dating is how we meet womenGood luck with it.
https://www.reviewonline.com/news/local-news/2022/03/former-head-of-mercer-county-dtf-faces-prostitution-charges/
The former head of Mercer County Department Drug Task Force was not a qualified expert on why women turn to prostitution.
"Merely showing up," without more, doesn't result in a conviction.
There's a point when online dating may become solicitation to engage in prostitution.
Good luck with it.I provided you multiple scenarios and you picked out just that, there was also a judge. Point is, there are several high ranking officials engaging in prostitution, if they are no doubt that some of the "experts" are as well. You are correct, but that still doesn't stop them from detaining. Veteran escort I know had a regular who has been busted in a pair of good guy stings. First was in early 2020 before they started the bait and switch. The second, after HB 431 went into effect in 2021, they told him a general area and then to call for the real address, he got to the location, a couple blocks from the actual sting location and called the agent who then attempted the bait and switch. He refused, tried to leave, and they swarmed him anyway charged him with the misdemeanors and he talked to the cops. Key there is, they were tracking him and somehow its legal to track and swarm him before he even gets there? Come on! A second degree misdemeanor "attempt to commit an offense" did hold up in court, records show. Now you are correct that we don't know the details he could have been completely specific and made an offer, and we only can know what the police reports say. So you could be accurate that if we played it as were just trying to meet and have a drink at a bar, we will walk free, however, you have to see the problem with the entire concept of detainment without evidence, and how completely innocent people can end up in these stings. That is a cause for concern with such dubious methods, i get the reason for the methods, its to catch scumbags, but if the person refuses the bait and switch and leaves, they should not face anything. But they are using that as a scare tactic to secure convictions for the misdemeanors, the guys shit their pants and they talk to ensure they arent facing the felonies, which they wouldnt have anyway because they refused the bait and switch. But at that point they are shitting their pants in fear of being charged for something they did not do. Even before HB 431 for example in the 3/14/2019 and the 12/6/2020 good guy stings, i heard rumors from escorts about their clients showing up also just being a room full of cops and an immediate cuffing with no act of furtherance. Or maybe im just underestimating how dumb people really are, and they do say all kinds of dumb shit before they show up. People do lie also i suppose.
Another interesting thought here, just because i meet a woman, take her to a bar, and we have dinner , does that mean i intend to fuck them? Not necessarily! so if they didnt even see a decoy and clearly intended to leave the vicinity, how can a conviction be possible? Seems they are trying to control peoples brains as well if you boil it down!
Asking for clarification on the online dating comment. Did you mean there are some scenarios that it could lead to that? Or did you mean, there is going to come a day where ALL online dating is automatically considered prostitution? Because that's bullshit if I respond to an ad for lawn care and I show up and get swarmed by cops just because its on a site that "could be used for prostitution. " other people cant choose your intent and convict you based on that they "think" you are going to pay a woman to fuck. but they are sure trying their hardest to somehow make their thoughts convict average joes!
I provided you multiple scenarios!They were all the same.
Public officials or cops without any documented scholarly or academic expertise on why women become prostitutes.
because i meet a woman, take her to a bar, and we have dinner, does that mean i intend to fuck them?!I have no clue what you would intend to do in that hypothetical.
I believe you have made statements here, flattering yourself for fornicating at the lowest dollar amount?
My guess is that you would not pay for drinks / dinner with an unrelated woman without her promise of sexual relations.
if I respond to an ad for lawn care and I show up and get swarmed by cops just because its on a site that could be used for prostitutionHeaven forbid that you should seek to fornicate by replying to an ad for lawn care.
I'd like to think that once in awhile, you are fair enough to attract a nice lady with your charming conversation and gentlemanly manner.
they are sure trying their hardest to somehow make their thoughts convict average joes!
We are not in the Twilight Zone.
Let's keep it real.
Comment was made that there is no right to engage in prostitution in Ohio. Well, in my view a woman's pussy, or a man's cock for that matter, belongs to that person, just as their hands or brains do. It is their personal property. They have the right, by the mere fact that they are alive, to do with their body parts as they wish so long as they do not harm another person or another person's property.
That's called "Liberty. ".
Therefore, unless you voluntarily give up that right it belongs to you and can't be taken away. Ergo, it is wrong for the gestapo state to attempt to tell a person that they cannot exchange their services for money. It is a clear infringement on the inherent right that a person has to do what one wishes with one's own body.
Cheech.
Comment was made that there is no right to engage in prostitution in Ohio. Well, in my view a woman's pussy, or a man's cock for that matter, belongs to that person, just as their hands or brains do. It is their personal property. They have the right, by the mere fact that they are alive, to do with their body parts as they wish so long as they do not harm another person or another person's property.
That's called "Liberty. ".
Therefore, unless you voluntarily give up that right it belongs to you and can't be taken away. Ergo, it is wrong for the gestapo state to attempt to tell a person that they cannot exchange their services for money. It is a clear infringement on the inherent right that a person has to do what one wishes with one's own body.
Cheech.Its a complete infringement to outlaw it because its our body, not the governments. Thats really all there is to it.
They were all the same.
Public officials or cops without any documented scholarly or academic expertise on why women become prostitutes.
I have no clue what you would intend to do in that hypothetical.
I believe you have made statements here, flattering yourself for fornicating at the lowest dollar amount?
My guess is that you would not pay for drinks / dinner with an unrelated woman without her promise of sexual relations.
Heaven forbid that you should seek to fornicate by replying to an ad for lawn care.
I'd like to think that once in awhile, you are fair enough to attract a nice lady with your charming conversation and gentlemanly manner.
We are not in the Twilight Zone.
Let's keep it real.You would be incorrect in that assumption, I don't even expect to get laid on a hooker encounter and I make that clear even in my communication. Always say something like "I'd like to get to know you and if you don't like what you see, I will leave. " while I've never been turned down, I would leave if I was asked to. I am not a big fan of reading articles where johns arrested answer yes to the question "Do you think if you pay, you can do whatever you want to the escort?" Im not a fan of those guys because they are the reason why our hobby is still illegal, and i am not that guy, if they arent into me enough where theyd tell me to leave if they arent attracted, id prefer to leave. im also pretty "vanilla" sexually, and only enjoy just ordinary fucking. not really into all that kinky shit some are. I dont ask for all kinds of other disgusting shit that some of these dudes that the escorts reject that end up in stings do. i treat the escorts as people. Also by taking that approach if I was unfortunate enough to walk into something, I'm covered, no conviction because I would shut up. You are correct that I have no problem getting laid the old fashioned way and have as recently as last week, when i do hobby i hobby out of convenience, not necessity. Its not the twilight zone YET. But things arent looking good.
Well, in my view a woman's pussy, or a man's cock for that matter, belongs to that person, just as their hands or brains do. It is their personal property. They have the right, by the mere fact that they are alive, to do with their body parts as they wish so long as they do not harm another person or another person's property.The problem is that sex for hire is known to cause social ills.
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/prostitution-pathways-problems-and-prevention
That's called "liberty".
Liberty is not unlimited.
One is free to act in pursuit of one's happiness, so long as the rights of others are not infringed upon.
The state has an interest in protecting the common good by preventing the social ills associated with prostitution.
The Federal government's position today is that prostitution directly contributes to the modern-day slave trade and is inherently demeaning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_States
it is wrong for the state to attempt to tell a person that they cannot exchange their services for money. It is a clear infringement on the inherent right that a person has to do what one wishes with one's own body.The "iniherent right" you cite is not absolute and unlimited.
It is tempered by the interest of the common good.
Health and safety of citizens is considered part of the common good.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_good
I don't even expect to get laid on a hooker encounter and I make that clear even in my communication. Always say something like "I'd like to get to know you and if you don't like what you see, I will leave. . . . when I do hobby, I hobby out of convenience, not necessity.I am proud to know you here in this forum.
The problem is that sex for hire is known to cause social ills.
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/prostitution-pathways-problems-and-prevention
Liberty is not unlimited.
One is free to act in pursuit of one's happiness, so long as the rights of others are not infringed upon.
The state has an interest in protecting the common good by preventing the social ills associated with prostitution.
The Federal government's position today is that prostitution directly contributes to the modern-day slave trade and is inherently demeaning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_States
The "iniherent right" you cite is not absolute and unlimited.
It is tempered by the interest of the common good.
Health and safety of citizens is considered part of the common good.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_goodAll stuff written anecdotally and catered towards fraudulent individuals in our society who are committing far more heinous crimes then "engaging in prostitution and possession of criminal tools. " its real easy to assume something and then go and slap an opinion on a sheet of paper. How about actually going through and interviewing some of the women they arrest, outside of a police interrogation setting? I'm sure they would be suprised of the beautiful souls they would get to know, and maybe feel some remorse for targeting them over the past several years as opposed to going after real criminals. See, none of my encounters have "contributed to the modern-day slave trade" just because someone who pretends to be Christian thinks its wrong and wants to exile them from society, and I'm not infringing on their rights by fucking a grown woman either. I have made friends through this hobby, who cares if it happened to be through skipthegames or Tryst. Seems like wanting to exile them is more of a reflection on what a shit human being the anti prostitute individual is, not the prostitute. Yost and the cops have the piece of paper, I have the degree. They get to know the women for a brief police interview that they sucker them into talking for, use them for their publicity stunt and to garner votes and federal funding, and then toss them in their court system, if that's not evil I don't know what is. I've gotten to know the women behind the stigma and behind the terrible light that the news paints them in, and all but a few of them I've encountered are wonderful people that just are either hornier then most, or enjoy some drugs here and there which in moderation nothing wrong with that, again their business not the governments.
C92.
All stuff written anecdotallyThe conclusions drawn by the linked materials are based on large sets of data, collected and evaluated through systematic scientific methods, and considered reliable and trustworthy.
Anecdotal evidence is not necessarily true or reliable because it's based on a personal accounts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_anecdote
none of my encounters have "contributed to the modern-day slave trade".It's never easy to admit that something may not right with one's behavior.
Usually it's a way of dealing with stress, conflict, or other personal issues.
I'm not infringing on their rights by fucking a grown woman.Exchanging money for the deed is almost always an infringement.
Yost and the cops have the piece of paper, I have the degree.As with the word anecdote, comprehending a university degree can be a challenge.
I have made friends through this hobby.That's very nice.
They get to know the women for a brief police interview that they sucker them into talking for, use them for their publicity stunt and to garner votes and federal funding, and then toss them in their court system, if that's not evil I don't know what is.Enforcing law is rarely pretty, but it's a necessary function of government.
Some say paying powerless women for very intimate relations is evil.
I've gotten to know the women behind the stigma and behind the terrible light that the news paints them in, and all but a few of them I've encountered are wonderful people that just are either hornier then most, or enjoy some drugs here and there which in moderation nothing wrong with that, again their business not the governments.There are good reasons behind prohibiting the exchange of money for sex.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/482625
The problem is that sex for hire is known to cause social ills.
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/prostitution-pathways-problems-and-prevention
Liberty is not unlimited.
One is free to act in pursuit of one's happiness, so long as the rights of others are not infringed upon.
The state has an interest in protecting the common good by preventing the social ills associated with prostitution.
The Federal government's position today is that prostitution directly contributes to the modern-day slave trade and is inherently demeaning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_States
The "inherent right" you cite is not absolute and unlimited.
It is tempered by the interest of the common good.
Health and safety of citizens is considered part of the common good.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_goodI did not say that liberty is unlimited. As they say, the right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins.
However, your statements frequently cite the "Common Good. " This common good business in this context is a cover for maintaining the social order sponsored by the various religions and the state.
I maintain that as long as my actions, or anyone's actions do no actual quantifiable harm to someone else that those actions should be perfectly legal. This is liberty. "Social ills" is an ill-defined term that encompasses whatever the definer wishes it to encompass to conform to their own particular views of what a society (which they wish to control) should be.
Cheech.
As they say, the right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins.A man's personal liberty to drink whisky and support barrooms ends where the rights of the family and the community begin.
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/10/15/liberty-fist-nose/
I did not say that liberty is unlimited.I saw an implicit denial in one of your earlier statements.
It is a clear infringement on the inherent right that a person has to do what one wishes with one's own body."Liberty is not unlimited" is pertinent to this discussion and worth noting.
your statements frequently cite the "common good".My initial reply to your original post was the first time I noted it.
The term "common good" appears twice in that reply.
I provided a link with its definition and usage history.
This common good business in this context is a cover for maintaining the social order sponsored by the various religions and the state.It is a long-standing concept in political philosophy, recognized by atheists as well as religious.
The common good is that which is shared by and beneficial to all members of a given community.
as long as my actions do no actual quantifiable harm to someone else that those actions should be perfectly legal.The health and safety risks of prostitution are quantifiably supported by research data.
Prostitution is associated with increased risk for bloodborne viral infections, sexually transmitted diseases, mental health symptoms, and other things.
"Social ills" is an ill-defined term that encompasses whatever the definer wishes it to encompass to conform to their own particular views of what a society (which they wish to control) should be.The reference is to social conditions that disrupt or damage society.
They are bullying, rape, human trafficking, child abuse, family disintegration, drug addiction, poverty, homelessness, among other things.
Social science researchers have identified their causes, effects and ameliorating solutions.
It's not about a "particular" view or "control" of others.
By universal acclamation, it's about social conditions that damage everyone in society.
Looking forward to alcohol being targeted next.
A man's personal liberty to drink whisky and support barrooms ends where the rights of the family and the community begin.
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/10/15/liberty-fist-nose/
I saw an implicit denial in one of your earlier statements.
"Liberty is not unlimited" is pertinent to this discussion and worth noting.
My initial reply to your original post was the first time I noted it.
The term "common good" appears twice in that reply.Bullying, rape, human trafficking, and child abuse are violations of personal property rights. Many of the ills you mentioned as they relate to prostitution are the result of prostitution being illegal. Drug abuse has always been a part of the human condition, however by making drugs illegal the government has made the problem thousands of times worse by creating the huge profit motive. Homelessness and poverty have other causes that potentially could be alleviated if the government spent the money they now waste on prohibition on those causes.
Money is stolen from us via "Universal acclimation" in the form of property taxes every year. It is still theft.
Cheech.
Member #6192
07-21-22, 10:56
There was a potential report in the massage thread that King Me in Grafton may have run into some legal troubles yesterday and is now closed. I haven't seen anything online about it but I figured I would post it in the news thread in case anyone has updates.
Bullying, rape, human trafficking, and child abuse are violations of personal property rights.Women and children are no longer considered chattel.
An exception is for those who are complicit in human trafficking.
Many of the ills you mentioned as they relate to prostitution are the result of prostitution being illegalSocial problems flourish because prostitution is an inherently dangerous and dehumanizing activity, whether legal or illegal.
A major study found no statistical evidence supporting the contention that countries with legalized prostitution experienced lower levels of violent crime.
https://asp.mercatus.org/system/files/Bowen_MGPE.pdf
One reason is that legalized prostitution leads to a general decay in social norms.
Recognizing that buying and selling sex has become an acceptable social norm, some men fall into believing that other denigrating acts are socially acceptable.
The idea of "buying women" leads to the mistaken notion that disrespecting women, assaulting women, and raping women is equally acceptable.
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/human-trafficking-persists-despite-legality-of-prostitution-in-germany-a-902533.html
https://www.medicaldaily.com/despite-legalization-prostitutes-germany-face-exploitation-and-trafficking-laws-intended-improve
https://www.trauma-and-prostitution.eu/en/2018/06/19/the-german-model-17-years-after-the-legalization-of-prostitution/
Money is stolen from us via "universal acclimation" in the form of property taxes every yearThe word is "acclamation" and is defined as a shout or oral vote of enthusiastic approval without formal ballot.
The power of taxation is indispensable to the existence of the state, as necessary for the funding of all aspects of governmental operations.
The 16th Amendment to the Federal Constitution was ratified by a two-thirds majority vote of both houses of Congress and two-thirds of state legislatures.
The Federal Constitution grants Congress the power to tax in order to "provide for the common defense and general welfare".
The Ohio Constitution grants a similar power to the General Assembly.
It is still theftAnarchists wrongly believe that taxes are a form of theft.
Homelessness and poverty have other causes that potentially could be alleviated if the government spent the money they now waste on prohibition on those causesIf you believe taxes as theft, then you cannot believe in re-distribution of income.
You cannot have it both ways.
SuStar,
Social problems flourish because prostitution is an inherently dangerous and dehumanizing activity, whether legal or illegal.
Recognizing that buying and selling sex has become an acceptable social norm, some men fall into believing that other denigrating acts are socially acceptable.
The idea of "buying women" leads to the mistaken notion that disrespecting women, assaulting women, and raping women is equally acceptable.
Not sure why you are on this site for men who seeking sex with women for a price. Are you on here to try to change our minds about this hobby? Do you think members on this site on among those who assault women?
Cleve Loser
07-23-22, 07:22
Social problems flourish because prostitution is an inherently dangerous and dehumanizing activity, whether legal or illegal.
A major study found no statistical evidence supporting the contention that countries with legalized prostitution experienced lower levels of violent crime.
https://asp.mercatus.org/system/files/Bowen_MGPE.pdf
One reason is that legalized prostitution leads to a general decay in social norms.
Recognizing that buying and selling sex has become an acceptable social norm, some men fall into believing that other denigrating acts are socially acceptable.
The idea of "buying women" leads to the mistaken notion that disrespecting women, assaulting women, and raping women is equally acceptable.
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/human-trafficking-persists-despite-legality-of-prostitution-in-germany-a-902533.html
https://www.medicaldaily.com/despite-legalization-prostitutes-germany-face-exploitation-and-trafficking-laws-intended-improve
https://www.trauma-and-prostitution.eu/en/2018/06/19/the-german-model-17-years-after-the-legalization-of-prostitution/
You are going to need a lot more evidence to show that prostitution is actually the cause of societal problems. I'd argue that is a symptom and reflection. Likewise, the idea of "buying women" is not created by prostitution but rather inherent to our society and culture where everything is based on ownership of goods, resources, and people. Why would women be any different? And it wasnt very long ago that owning of people was not only legal and accepted but worth fighting a bloody war over. You think we have eradicated that viewpoint in just 150 years? While its not explicitly legal to "own" people, for most of the population if they try to show any sort of autonomy at their jobs then their livelihood and health will be threatened. Thats the point of our society.
So I do agree with your viewpoint on the exploitation and degradation inherent in prostitution. But that's capitalism baby. Its probably more healthy, satisfying, self-respecting, and "free" than most jobs in USA.
Women and children are no longer considered chattel.
An exception is for those who are complicit in human trafficking.
Social problems flourish because prostitution is an inherently dangerous and dehumanizing activity, whether legal or illegal.
A major study found no statistical evidence supporting the contention that countries with legalized prostitution experienced lower levels of violent crime.
https://asp.mercatus.org/system/files/Bowen_MGPE.pdf
One reason is that legalized prostitution leads to a general decay in social norms.
Recognizing that buying and selling sex has become an acceptable social norm, some men fall into believing that other denigrating acts are socially acceptable.
The idea of "buying women" leads to the mistaken notion that disrespecting women, assaulting women, and raping women is equally acceptable.
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/human-trafficking-persists-despite-legality-of-prostitution-in-germany-a-902533.html
https://www.medicaldaily.com/despite-legalization-prostitutes-germany-face-exploitation-and-trafficking-laws-intended-improve
https://www.trauma-and-prostitution.eu/en/2018/06/19/the-german-model-17-years-after-the-legalization-of-prostitution/
The word is "acclamation" and is defined as a shout or oral vote of enthusiastic approval without formal ballot.
The power of taxation is indispensable to the existence of the state, as necessary for the funding of all aspects of governmental operations.
The 16th Amendment to the Federal Constitution was ratified by a two-thirds majority vote of both houses of Congress and two-thirds of state legislatures.
The Federal Constitution grants Congress the power to tax in order to "provide for the common defense and general welfare".
The Ohio Constitution grants a similar power to the General Assembly.
Anarchists wrongly believe that taxes are a form of theft.
If you believe taxes as theft, then you cannot believe in re-distribution of income.
You cannot have it both ways.I do not hold the view that women and children are chattel. I hold the view that people own their own bodies and therefore have the inherent right to do with them as they wish, so long as they do not infringe upon the rights of others.
Men have always bought sex, driven by the control of religion or the state. And women have always sold sex, either directly for money or for example when a woman gives her husband special sexual favors to achieve some goal like jewelry or some other desire she has.
I am not an anarchist, I am a Libertarian. As far as taxation goes, taxation has always been theft. When the constitution authorized taxation it was for import taxes and tariffs and things like that. You, as an individual, do not have the right to pick my pocket at the point of a gun to fund a school. 10 of you, as a group, do not have the right to pick my pocket at the point of a gun to fund a school. How then can a majority group, without my consent, vote to pick my pocket at the point of a gun to fund a school? They create this right out of thin air, and in fact have confiscated all the real estate in this country because one doesn't own something that one has to pay others to keep. Simple as that.
The fact that the gestapo government has legalized theft to run their myriad programs does not make it right. In fact, they not only steal from us now but through borrowing and money printing have stolen the future finances of our children, and if you don't understand that you better learn some real economics.
I clearly do not believe in the redistribution of income, stealing is stealing.
Cheech.
- I hold the view that people own their own bodies and therefore have the inherent right to do with them as they wish, so long as they do not infringe upon the rights of others.
Cheech.By putting a woman in orange for being a hooker, its essentially the pigs and the courts implying that said woman's pussy is government property. Period.
He has a couple of valid points, such as how it gives certain men a sense of entitlement, but that comes down to a few bad apples ruining it for everyone else. Which further bolsters my argument for decriminalization, make it a $2000 fine, not jailable. That way nobody can be forced into it, its not implied that people are government property, and courts still get their money, but its off the streets and not out into the open. Hell, I'm sure more actual victims would be able to be saved that way because they wouldn't be afraid of talking because they don't have to be worried about being locked up.
C92.
OneAndDone
07-23-22, 20:03
By putting a woman in orange for being a hooker, its essentially the pigs and the courts implying that said woman's pussy is government property. Period.
He has a couple of valid points, such as how it gives certain men a sense of entitlement, but that comes down to a few bad apples ruining it for everyone else. Which further bolsters my argument for decriminalization, make it a $2000 fine, not jailable. That way nobody can be forced into it, its not implied that people are government property, and courts still get their money, but its off the streets and not out into the open. Hell, I'm sure more actual victims would be able to be saved that way because they wouldn't be afraid of talking because they don't have to be worried about being locked up.
C92.I love all this input! And you guys are awesome but when can we talk about wet sloppy BBBJ again!! Be safe boyz.
I do not hold the view that women and children are chattel.In your earlier post (#362), you wrote:
Bullying, rape, human trafficking, and child abuse are violations of personal property rights.If rape and trafficking are "violations of personal property rights," then women and children are "personal property" or chattel.
Either they are chattel, or they are not.
Which is it?
You cannot have it both ways.
By putting a woman in orange for being a hooker, its essentially the pigs and the courts implying that said woman's pussy is government property.At its minimum, it is a woman providing sexual activity in exchange for anything of value from a man, contra Chapter 2907.231 of the Ohio Revised Code.
It's about behavior, not anatomy or property.
It's about law, enacted by elected representatives to the Ohio General Assembly.
You are going to need a lot more evidence to show that prostitution is actually the cause of societal problems.The evidence is out there.
You can't claim it's not there by refusing to look for it.
Example:
"Most dogs are friendly and pose no threat to people who pet them. Therefore, it would be safe to pet the little dog that is approaching us now".
The dog might be growling and protecting its home, or it might even be foaming at the mouth, suggesting rabies.
If you don't look for it, you do so at your own peril.
Another example:
"That type of car is poorly made; a friend of mine has one, and it continually gives him trouble".
Are you sure your friend takes good care of the car?
Does he get the oil changed regularly?
Or does your friend fancy himself as a mechanic and just does a lousy job?
If you refuse to know about your friend's maintenance skills, are you providing an informed opinion about the car?
Not sure why you are on this site for men who seeking sex with women for a price.It's interesting.
Are you on here to try to change our minds about this hobby?It's far beyond my ability to change anyone's mind.
Do you think members on this site on among those who assault women?The members here would never assault a woman.
However, statistics show that men who buy sex have less empathy for women in prostitution than men who don't buy sex.
https://prostitutionresearch.com/men-who-buy-sex-have-much-in-common-with-sexually-coercive-men-new-study-shows-4/
The statistics on violence against prostitutes are overwhelming, but few if any here are willing to look at them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_prostitutes
BudBowl2001
07-24-22, 05:45
Haven't we beat this to death enough?
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Obviously not because by doing this you help keep it alive.
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Cleve Loser
07-24-22, 07:34
The evidence is out there.
You can't claim it's not there by refusing to look for it.
Example:
"Most dogs are friendly and pose no threat to people who pet them. Therefore, it would be safe to pet the little dog that is approaching us now".
The dog might be growling and protecting its home, or it might even be foaming at the mouth, suggesting rabies.
If you don't look for it, you do so at your own peril.
Another example:
"That type of car is poorly made; a friend of mine has one, and it continually gives him trouble".
Are you sure your friend takes good care of the car?
Does he get the oil changed regularly?
Or does your friend fancy himself as a mechanic and just does a lousy job?
If you refuse to know about your friend's maintenance skills, are you providing an informed opinion about the car?I don't find any of that evidence compelling. Prostitution does not exist in a vacuum. Its part of our society.
Also, correlation does not equal causation. I don't doubt that there are negative outcomes associated with it but that does not mean that its the root cause.
The evidence is out there.
You can't claim it's not there by refusing to look for it.
Example:
"Most dogs are friendly and pose no threat to people who pet them. Therefore, it would be safe to pet the little dog that is approaching us now".
The dog might be growling and protecting its home, or it might even be foaming at the mouth, suggesting rabies.
If you don't look for it, you do so at your own peril.
Another example:
"That type of car is poorly made; a friend of mine has one, and it continually gives him trouble".
Are you sure your friend takes good care of the car?
Does he get the oil changed regularly?
Or does your friend fancy himself as a mechanic and just does a lousy job?
If you refuse to know about your friend's maintenance skills, are you providing an informed opinion about the car?Does he get his oil changed regularly? I'm sure if women would change the oil on a regular basis, prostitution would fade away.
In your earlier post (#362), you wrote:
If rape and trafficking are "violations of personal property rights," then women and children are "personal property" or chattel.
Either they are chattel, or they are not.
Which is it?
You cannot have it both ways.How can rape and trafficking equate to making women and children personal property or chattel? Women and children are the personal property of themselves, not someone else. Children are not the personal property or chattel of an other except to the extent that their caretakers make decisions for them until they become mature enough to make their own.
Your statement makes no sense.
Cheech.
I don't find any of that evidence compellingThe evidence was found compelling by a majority of duly elected representatives to the legislature, who then saw fit to enact the statute prohibiting sexual activity for hire.
Correlation does not equal causationThe concept that "correlation does not equal causation" is largely disingenuous.
Correlation suggests there is some relationship between two variables.
At the very least a correlation can provide a working hypothesis.
There are negative outcomes associated with prostitution but that does not mean that its the root causeCorrelation provides a rigorous mathematical way for computing precisely how much one variable can be used to better predict another; at least in a linear predictive fashion.
High correlation often implies causation.
Prostitution does not exist in a vacuum. Its part of our societyThe unlawful killing of another human being (murder) is part of our society, too.
Yet our society does not tolerate it.
The belief in delusional ideas that destroy ethical behavior and common sense is a correlation we cannot avoid.
How can rape and trafficking equate to making women and children personal property or chattelHere's your original statement.
Bullying, rape, human trafficking, and child abuse are violations of personal property rights.I have no clue how you came up with "rape is a violation of personal property rights".
Women and children are the personal property of themselvesWomen and children are not property of any sort.
Women and children are persons under law.
Property is something owned, or a possession.
The two concepts are mutually exclusive.
No person can be justly 'owned'.
Children are not the personal property or chattel of an other except to the extent that their caretakers make decisions for them until they become mature enough to make their ownChildren are never property under any circumstance.
The "caretaker" you refer to is known as a guardian, that is, a person who is legally responsible for the care and management of a minor.
I'm sure if women would change the oil on a regular basis, prostitution would fade awayOn what planet?
Here's your original statement.
I have no clue how you came up with "rape is a violation of personal property rights".
Women and children are not property of any sort.
Women and children are persons under law.
Property is something owned, or a possession.
The two concepts are mutually exclusive.
No person can be justly 'owned'.
Children are never property under any circumstance.
The "caretaker" you refer to is known as a guardian, that is, a person who is legally responsible for the care and management of a minor.The concept of personal property includes the fact that one's own body is the personal property of that person and is owned by that person. From the standpoint of controlling what is done with a child, the guardian of that child legally controls what is done with or to that child, as in taking music lessons or what they eat or where they live, therefore the child is owned from that aspect.
Therefore the the concepts are not "mutually exclusive" since one owns one's self.
Cheech.
Your statement makes no senseI am sorry that you are having difficulty with comprehension.
I will allow you a period for remediation.
Please look at course offerings from the adult evening division of your local school district.
ThrobbinWood
07-26-22, 11:52
https://knewz.com/sex-trafficking-stripper-pole/
Cleve Loser
07-26-22, 14:24
The evidence was found compelling by a majority of duly elected representatives to the legislature, who then saw fit to enact the statute prohibiting sexual activity for hire.
So what? Our elected representatives are now infallible? If you are going to make an appeal to authority, find a better authority.
The concept that "correlation does not equal causation" is largely disingenuous.
Correlation suggests there is some relationship between two variables.
At the very least a correlation can provide a working hypothesis.
Correlation provides a rigorous mathematical way for computing precisely how much one variable can be used to better predict another; at least in a linear predictive fashion.
High correlation often implies causation.
Sorry but this is just blatantly wrong.
The unlawful killing of another human being (murder) is part of our society, too.
Yet our society does not tolerate it.
The belief in delusional ideas that destroy ethical behavior and common sense is a correlation we cannot avoid.
Well if you want to avoid these things, the answer probably isn't to just make prostitution more illegal or more criminalized. Its to get at the root causes which ofc will never happen bc we live in a exploitive police state where it is necessary that large portions of the population exist as an underclass.
If you are going to make an appeal to authority, find a better authorityAppeal to authority neither intended nor made.
You were given notice of who found the evidence compelling.
Ergo, through their elected representatives, the majority in Ohio support the legislation.
You're in the minority, likely a very slim minority, and one that's impotent to change the law.
Sorry but this is just blatantly wrongNah.
Determining causality is never perfect in the real world.
A variety of experimental, statistical and research design techniques can be made to find evidence toward causal relationships.
It took a study involving more than 40,000 doctors in the UK to show conclusively that smoking really does cause cancer.
Without the high correlation between smoking and lung cancer, it likely would never have happened.
The answer probably isn't to just make prostitution more illegal or more criminalizedYou haven't identified any compelling causes, so you don't have answers.
we live in a exploitive police stateFind another place to live that's less exploitive.
Maybe Russia or Cuba or China.
So what? Our elected representatives are now infallible?The issue is the prohibition of sex for hire in Ohio.
Infallibility is irrelevant.
If you are going to make an appeal to authority, find a better authorityThere is no logical fallacy.
The legislative history of Chapter 2907 of the Ohio Revised Code is factual and relevant.
The concept of personal property includes the fact that one's own body is the personal property of that person and is owned by that person. From the standpoint of controlling what is done with a child, the guardian of that child legally controls what is done with or to that child, as in taking music lessons or what they eat or where they live, therefore the child is owned from that aspect.
Therefore the the concepts are not "mutually exclusive" since one owns one's self.
Cheech.I agree with most of your posts and reviews on hookers.
However, here you sound like one of those sovereign citizen weirdos when they say they weren't driving they were traveling on a road which makes the cops unable to arrest them.
None of what you said is legally correct and your own body is never considered properly in this manner.
I am sorry that you are having difficulty with comprehension.
I will allow you a period for remediation.
Please look at course offerings from the adult evening division of your local school district.I have no need of remediation. Your statement still makes no sense, and furthermore, your basis and rational for your thought is that people are owned by the government. That is one of the root causes of the problem.
Cheech.
I agree with most of your posts and reviews on hookers.
However, here you sound like one of those sovereign citizen weirdos when they say they weren't driving they were traveling on a road which makes the cops unable to arrest them.
None of what you said is legally correct and your own body is never considered properly in this manner.I am not one of those "Sovereign citizen" weirdos. I am a Libertarian. As far as my view regarding personal property, whether it is "legally correct" or not is not the question. It is not legally correct as far as the government who makes the laws is concerned, however I and many others like me consider the fact to be that I own my own body. It may be taken from me by force or the threat of force, and unfortunately has been in the past. But the current situation in this country is that the government considers that our bodies belong to the government, as the reality is that a person has to use money that he earns, (trades his time, which is life, for) to pay taxes which are demanded by the government in order to purchase goods and services or live in any kind of structure or occupy land. This will not change except via revolution.
Cheech.
BudBowl2001
07-27-22, 07:54
We get it. At this point no one cares about the law. We are hear to get laid, get our dick sucked, or some other fetish, whatever it may be. We all understand the laws. Put your energy into some thing constructive, like getting laid, and telling us if she's worth seeing.
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We get it. At this point no one cares about the law. We are hear to get laid, get our dick sucked, or some other fetish, whatever it may be. We all understand the laws. Put your energy into some thing constructive, like getting laid, and telling us if she's worth seeing.I second this and have no doubt nearly everyone on this site agrees with your statement.
We get it. We all understand the laws. At this point no one cares about the lawYou get it. You don't care about the law.
With all due respect, I do not believe you speak for everyone else.
In my view, there is never too great a reminder that buying sexual services in Ohio is illegal.
We are hear to get laid . . . Put your energy into some thing constructive, like getting laid, and telling us if she's worth seeing.I would be inclined to visit few if any of the women discussed here.
Nevertheless, I find the discussions here interesting.
I tend to favor stimulating discussion about the social / legal aspects of sex for hire.
Thank you for your consideration.
I have no need of remediation. Your statement still makes no sense, and furthermore, your basis and rational for your thought is that people are owned by the government. That is one of the root causes of the problem.Good luck.
here you sound like one of those sovereign citizen weirdos when they say they weren't driving they were traveling on a road which makes the cops unable to arrest them.
None of what you said is legally correct and your own body is never considered properly in this manner.Well said.
Beliefs aside and laws aside, let's just focus on talking about these ****** and sharing their advertisements and such so we can all fuck them and fulfill the point of this forum.
Banging bitches.
https://knewz.com/sex-trafficking-stripper-pole/Thank you for posting that link.
There are other forms of coercion used in the evil business.
They can include threats of serious harm, psychological harm, reputational harm, threats to others, and debt manipulation.
https://www.state.gov/what-is-trafficking-in-persons/
Beliefs aside and laws aside, let's just focus on talking about these ****** and sharing their advertisements so we can all fuck them and fulfill the point of this forum. Banging bitches.Per this site's FAQ, the purpose of this forum is "to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women".
In practice on the Ohio forums, there is a conundrum.
Section 2907.231 of the Ohio Revised Code prohibits the provision of sexual activity in exchange for anything of value.
Ignoring that can result in unwanted consequences.
https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-2907.231
Cleve Loser
07-28-22, 15:12
Well, if its against the law then I guess we can wrap this up.
Cleve Loser
07-28-22, 19:38
We?
Your views were wrapped up awhile ago.
Men who pay for sex tend to think that what they do is acceptable.
The reality is that prostitution is a harmful, pervasive, illegal, and violent criminal industry.Our society is violent and exploitative. You want to end prostitution? As trite as it is, then find a way to end capitalism.
Otherwise there are a million things worse. At least these women are getting paid for their services rather than getting outright raped by cops and even inmates.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/28/us/indiana-jail-rape-lawsuit.html
https://nypost.com/2017/09/28/woman-claims-nypd-detectives-forced-her-to-perform-sex-acts/
Again, your analysis of the situation is shallow and reductive. And in reality, prostitution on these boards is no more harmful and violent than fast food work, or farm work, where people are exploited and constantly threatened with homelessness or food insecurity if they don't adhere to the wims of their boss. These women actually have far more control of their situation and are compensated far better. And BTW, how many low level workers are exploited for sexual favors? Hell, how many more established women are?. Ask the women who work for Elon or Deshaun Watson.
Our society is violent and exploitative. You want to end prostitution? As trite as it is, then find a way to end capitalism.
Otherwise there are a million things worse. At least these women are getting paid for their services rather than getting outright raped by cops and even inmates.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/28/us/indiana-jail-rape-lawsuit.html
https://nypost.com/2017/09/28/woman-claims-nypd-detectives-forced-her-to-perform-sex-acts/
Again, your analysis of the situation is shallow and reductive. And in reality, prostitution on these boards is no more harmful and violent than fast food work, or farm work, where people are exploited and constantly threatened with homelessness or food insecurity if they don't adhere to the wims of their boss. These women actually have far more control of their situation and are compensated far better. And BTW, how many low level workers are exploited for sexual favors? Hell, how many more established women are?. Ask the women who work for Elon or Deshaun Watson.Can prostitution be dangerous? Sure. I will be the first to admit though I haven't seen much of that as a solely online monger, never been to an AMP in my life, never picked up a streetwalker. And at least in our small community here, most of us are solid dudes who would go out of our way to get any of the women we encounter out of a bad situation. At least I know I would. Some of us such as myself are nerdy guys, and in my case, while high functioning, I am legally retarded, which leads to me being misunderstood a lot of the time due to my at times poor communication skills, i can get often get points across a lot better in writing then talking. As a result, it took a while for me to come into my own and be more social, the hobby has helped me eke out an above average existence and a career through social skills I have learned through it. And I still have a way to go, I have cut back drastically on mongering because I do want to have a long term relationship again some day. But I will get there in time! Doesn't change the fact that I owe a lot to this game, and I wouldn't change anything that got me to this point in my life! The awesome women I've met, the banter on here, the dodging traps. Its all so awesome and kind of like a giant video game like the Oasis in the movie "Ready Player One. ". And when i do meet that woman that is perfect for me i will never forget all the good times on here and of course drop in every now and again. You have all helped me maintain my sanity, and I love all of you.
Just because a man is a monger, doesn't automatically make them a bad guy. Just like because a man is a minister, doesn't automatically make them a good guy! Its what you do with it that counts!
C92.
Our society is violent and exploitative. You want to end prostitution? As trite as it is, then find a way to end capitalismCasting the problem on "capitalism" is a ruse to avoid responsibility for engaging in sex for hire.
Without demand, the operation dries up.
That's where it starts and ends.
(Snip the rest).
In my opinion the only harm of prostitution we inflict on the hoochies is that we support their bad habits with cash.
So they might go buy some drugs or whatever with it.
However, I think it's just viewed so negatively because we give them a lot of money in that regard. Two hundred for a good looking skank is nothing to us to bust a nut but might mean the world to her so she wants more and more johns to support a lifestyle she can't afford in her financial circle.
So is it really us the customer being the issue or simply them living above their means from all the fuck money they bring in?
Just because a man is a monger, doesn't automatically make them a bad guyIt makes him someone who violates the law's prohibition of sex for hire.
Its what you do with it that counts!What counts is refraining from sex for hire.
Nothing exonerates violating the law.
OneHourAtATime
07-29-22, 02:15
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So is it really us the customer being the issue or simply them living above their means from all the fuck money they bring in?The sex buyer is always the starting point.
The law is an ass. People want what people want, pussy or drugs or whatever. As long as they don't violate the personal property rights of others they should be able to get those things. Sustar, you are apparently one of those apologists for the government who say, "Well, its for your own good," or "Our elected representatives made that law so we should follow it. " Bullshit.
The issue here is liberty. The bottom line as far as I am concerned is that a person owns their own body and has the innate, inborn right to do with it what they please as long as they are not violating the personal property rights of other people. Regardless of whether or not its breaking the law. People have rights that the government doesn't recognize and that needs to change.
Cheech.
Cleve Loser
07-29-22, 06:40
Casting the problem on "capitalism" is a ruse to avoid responsibility for engaging in sex for hire.
Without demand, the operation dries up.
That's where it starts and ends.
(Snip the rest).At an individual level, the person is responsible. Just like with poverty, obesity, drug use, drunk driving. Any single person can avoid or overcome those things. But when they become pervasive at a societal level, then it becomes clear that every person cannot and solutions other than "personal responsibility" and "law and order" would be more effective at reducing them. But here's a hint, people in charge have no desire to reduce them, and even people like yourself don't either.
At an individual level, the person is responsible. Just like with poverty, obesity, drug use, drunk driving. Any single person can avoid or overcome those things. But when they become pervasive at a societal level, then it becomes clear that every person cannot and solutions other than "personal responsibility" and "law and order" would be more effective at reducing them
Focus on interdicting the sex buyer goes a long way towards the larger amelioration, farther than you care to acknowledge.
Casting aspersions on others neither excuses your own culpability, nor mitigates the larger problem.
(Snip the rest).
People want what people want, pussy or drugs or whatever. As long as they don't violate the personal property rights of others, they should be able to get those thingsProstitution harms everyone.
you are apparently one of those apologists for the governmentIf you violate the law, you do so at your own peril.
The issue here is libertyFalse.
The bottom line is that a person owns their own body and has the innate, inborn right to do with it what they please as long as they are not violating the personal property rights of other peopleFalse.
People have rights that the government doesn't recognize and that needs to change.False.
Get help.
GlamourShooter
07-29-22, 14:09
The sex buyer is always the starting point.The sex buyer is not always the starting point. It's amazing how much you have gotten wrong, so far. Many opinions have been expressed by others and for you to claim they are false is simply absurd. They just don't share your opinion.
Cleve Loser
07-29-22, 20:33
Focus on interdicting the sex buyer goes a long way towards the larger amelioration, farther than you care to acknowledge.
Casting aspersions on others neither excuses your own culpability, nor mitigates the larger problem.
(Snip the rest).The only person "mitigating" the larger problem is you. Your reductive argument only focusing on the demand is ignorant of the broader societal issues that motivate women to engage in such activities. By design there is a massive underclass that can only aspire to 10-15 $ per hour without any guarantees for health care, housing, or labor safety. Of course large numbers will prefer 200-300 per hour in the sex trade.
Further your assertion about "ameliorating" by focusing on the buyer does not actually go a long way. For years this focus has existed and yet there has been little reduction. Ofc this is nothing new as we have seen time and time again that prohibition does not work be it gambling, alcohol, weed, crack, fent, or pussy.
Focus on the root causes by providing for a minimum standard of living with access to addiction resources including alternate opioids and prostitution would be largely eradicated. Focus on criminalizing and you will only create more criminals.
Buying sex is exploitive behavior.
Buyers are sensitive to the risk of arrest, cite it as a barrier to sex buying, and stop buying sex in communities where they perceive a higher likelihood of arrest.
Arresting prostituted persons does nothing to deter buyers.
The very presence of prostituted persons is a direct response to demand, not the other way around.
Creating increasingly severe penalty structures for repeat buyers is recommended.
https://www.demandabolition.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Demand-Buyer-Report-July-2019.pdf
The idea that legalizing or decriminalizing commercial sex would reduce its harms is a persistent myth.
Many claim if the sex trade were legal, regulated, and treated like any other profession, it would be safer.
But research suggests otherwise.
Countries that have legalized or decriminalized commercial sex often experience a surge in human trafficking, pimping, and other related crimes.
https://www.demandabolition.org/research/evidence-against-legalizing-prostitution/
Tonto Monger
07-30-22, 21:22
Can someone please get arrested so that we can talk about that and put an end to this utterly boring back and forth debate about prostitution in general?
can someone please get arrested so that we can talk about that and put an end to this utterly boring back and forth debate about prostitution in general?thank you!
The act of selling sex is often not consensual.
Buyers should understand that many factors and vulnerabilities a pimp or trafficker, drug addiction, homelessness and past trauma, to name a few make consent from the seller unlikely.
Instead of rationalizing that the victim is voluntarily participating in this sexual exchange, a buyer should consider what likely led the seller to where she is today.
https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-244X-6-24
. . . put an end to this utterly boring back and forth debate about prostitution in general?If it's boring you, then why do you read it?
Are you reading it to relieve guilt?
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/signs-guilt
https://medium.com/humanist-way/own-your-guilt-c5f30da94793
https://www.healthline.com/health/boredom#fa-qs.
The only person "mitigating" the larger problem is youFalse.
Only focusing on the demand is ignorant of the broader societal issues that motivate women to engage in such activitiesFalse.
There is a massive underclass. Large numbers will prefer 200-300 per hour in the sex tradeFalse.
Focusing on the buyer does not actually go a long wayFalse.
Focus on providing for a minimum standard of living and prostitution would be largely eradicatedFalse.
Cleve Loser
07-31-22, 09:37
The act of selling sex is often not consensual.
Buyers should understand that many factors and vulnerabilities a pimp or trafficker, drug addiction, homelessness and past trauma, to name a few make consent from the seller unlikely.
Instead of rationalizing that the victim is voluntarily participating in this sexual exchange, a buyer should consider what likely led the seller to where she is today.
https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-244X-6-24Are people disagreeing with that? Certainly it is a coercive and exploitative act. So is working at McDonalds and the vast majority of jobs.
The act of selling sex is often not consensual.
Buyers should understand that many factors and vulnerabilities a pimp or trafficker, drug addiction, homelessness and past trauma, to name a few make consent from the seller unlikely.
Instead of rationalizing that the victim is voluntarily participating in this sexual exchange, a buyer should consider what likely led the seller to where she is today.
https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-244X-6-24In some of situations this may be true. But again, case by case basis. There several stories on here of being led back to a room by a possible "handler / pimp etc," and I would never partake in a situation like that, reminds me of the "Apartment 407" movie which what happened in that movie is abhorrent. A lot of the ladies have guys that look out for them without forcing them or even charging them. Hell, I personally would look out for completely free of charge if they were in a bad situation. There is a fine line between good and evil, and a lot of people do cross that line, but some of us do not. Unfortunately the legal system does not differentiate from that, once things move to "judge / administrative, pre trial, and trial," nothing matters besides "was a law broken, or not?" When it should be case by case basis, and they should throw out the cases where the guy was cautious enough to make sure he wasnt dealing with a victim and the lady wasnt forced.
I will say this, yeah, a lot of women in this game are damaged. But you know what? So are some of us, been fucked up by bad relationships and stuff. I've found long term relationships through this hobby because the type of women I connect with that actually take the time to understand me are those who have been in bad places themselves. Someone has to be either high or intelligent to see the good in someone intelligent, the average pleb mouth breathing idiot isn't smart enough to recognize brilliance when its staring them in the face, or is intimidated by it so they try to sabotage you. So, that is why me and some of the hookers mesh well, sure alot of them do drugs here and there, but contrary to popular opinion, alot of them have brilliant minds. So yeah, maybe its "looking for love in all the wrong places," but I've really known nothing else better other then wandering around mongering, hoping to find love. I actually find escorts to be a lot less drama then ladies not in the hobby, but most of the white collar ladies I've banged who work 100 k jobs are either married and hook up with me for side dick, or prefer abusive prison thugs anyway, and only want an average nice guy like me AFTER their thugs are in jail and have maxed out their credit cards and left them in debt LMFAO, and why would I want anything to do with that? So yeah, please enlighten me, where is a better place to find a decent woman who doesn't want to run you through the wringer?
C92.
OldManBuckeye
07-31-22, 11:19
In some of situations this may be true. But again, case by case basis. There several stories on here of being led back to a room by a possible "handler / pimp etc," and I would never partake in a situation like that, reminds me of the "Apartment 407" movie which what happened in that movie is abhorrent. A lot of the ladies have guys that look out for them without forcing them or even charging them. Hell, I personally would look out for completely free of charge if they were in a bad situation. There is a fine line between good and evil, and a lot of people do cross that line, but some of us do not. Unfortunately the legal system does not differentiate from that, once things move to "judge / administrative, pre trial, and trial," nothing matters besides "was a law broken, or not?" When it should be case by case basis, and they should throw out the cases where the guy was cautious enough to make sure he wasnt dealing with a victim and the lady wasnt forced.
I will say this, yeah, a lot of women in this game are damaged. But you know what? So are some of us, been fucked up by bad relationships and stuff. I've found long term relationships through this hobby because the type of women I connect with that actually take the time to understand me are those who have been in bad places themselves. Someone has to be either high or intelligent to see the good in someone intelligent, the average pleb mouth breathing idiot isn't smart enough to recognize brilliance when its staring them in the face, or is intimidated by it so they try to sabotage you. So, that is why me and some of the hookers mesh well, sure alot of them do drugs here and there, but contrary to popular opinion, alot of them have brilliant minds. So yeah, maybe its "looking for love in all the wrong places," but I've really known nothing else better other then wandering around mongering, hoping to find love. I actually find escorts to be a lot less drama then ladies not in the hobby, but most of the white collar ladies I've banged who work 100 k jobs are either married and hook up with me for side dick, or prefer abusive prison thugs anyway, and only want an average nice guy like me AFTER their thugs are in jail and have maxed out their credit cards and left them in debt LMFAO, and why would I want anything to do with that? So yeah, please enlighten me, where is a better place to find a decent woman who doesn't want to run you through the wringer?
C92.Until Prostitution is legalized, it is against the law, period. We all know the game we play.
Rebrobate218
07-31-22, 11:37
The idea that legalizing or decriminalizing commercial sex would reduce its harms is a persistent myth.
Many claim if the sex trade were legal, regulated, and treated like any other profession, it would be safer.
But research suggests otherwise.
Countries that have legalized or decriminalized commercial sex often experience a surge in human trafficking, pimping, and other related crimes.
https://www.demandabolition.org/research/evidence-against-legalizing-prostitution/Having lived in a country were prostitution was legal I can tell you that they do not have our problems. They do not have prisons overflowing or hyper militarized police. A big part of that is not legalized or decriminalized prostitution or drugs but how different our cultures are. The failed Nordic Model can only be implemented through police surveillance, which harms society as a whole. People will say that in countries were prostitution is legal you have a surge in trafficking and that has been shown to be a lie. When studies are done it always comes back to a bad boy friend who lets his S / O do sex works and lives off the proceeds. All parties arrested in the Robert Kraft massage parlor joke were consenting adults and should not have been subject to any police action. Many of the Nordic Model lovers are feminist who want to harm men, and will sacrifice women to do so, and people who think they can control other people's behavior. It will never work and it will just cause harm.
So is working at McDonalds and the vast majority of jobs.As a former low ranking employee and low ranking manager of various fast food joints and greasy spoons who slaved away for sometimes 65-75 hours a week, I can say for a fact this is 100 percent accurate. The legal system makes these hookers unemployable, when I can say for absolute fact that they would have been better employees then half of the mouth breathers that worked underneath my position and above my position. But as you said, why would they want to slave away for chump change when they can lay on their back for 100-200 an hour? Especially when, and I can speak from experience, if an idiot, that makes Beavis and Butthead look smart, but flukes into a high position sees you are intelligent, they will do everything they can to hold you back. Why would they want to deal with that shit when they can be self employed? I don't have a pussy, I have to work those type of jobs, they don't. But when I'm off work, I'd much rather spend my money and time on things I enjoy rather then being part an exploitative legal system in divorce court at this point in my life. Or married to some woman that fucks around on you while you're paying all the bills LOL. Got plenty of time for that when im old. At least hookers are honest about who they are, half of these broads even in high ranking positions marry dudes for money and divorce, that's prostitution when you boil it down, its just not as direct!
"Skipthegames" is a very fitting website name isn't it? Skip the games, of divorce court, strife, and being married to the wrong woman. The risk in return all depends on how you play your cards. Some end up in prison using the site, others, such as government officials and high ranking officers use it because they are either bored or have a sexless marriage and use it responsibly, and some just love the game in general and know how to play, and end up legends like myself and many of us in our community here in the bowels of the internet. Despite being a couple decades old and our country falling apart, this song still rings true today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7raKBrwBvc
C92.
Tonto Monger
07-31-22, 20:59
If it's boring you, then why do you read it?
Are you reading it to relieve guilt?
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/signs-guilt
https://medium.com/humanist-way/own-your-guilt-c5f30da94793
https://www.healthline.com/health/boredom#fa-qs.I gave up reading this whole back and forth philosophical debate a long time ago. Congratulations on hijacking the News and Media thread where we used to share info on stings and news impacting the hobby. Chunks92 be the better man and stop feeding the trolls. Thanks.
Tonto.
I gave up reading this whole back and forth philosophical debate a long time ago. Congratulations on hijacking the News and Media thread where we used to share info on stings and news impacting the hobby. Chunks92 be the better man and stop feeding the trolls. Thanks.
Tonto.I'm done commenting on it, but it wasnt just me man, everyone was chipping in. At least its on this thread rather then escort reviews. Seems I shouldn't be singled out just because I write paragraphs.
Far as your other topic, there haven't been any local stings really recently. I suspect they are gearing up for a huge operation within the next few months. Last statewide was Sept. 21, before that it was Oct. Of 2020, before that Sept. Of 19. History has a tendency of repeating itself. Also dug up this gem. Inside video footage of the 02/17/22 sting.
https://www.cleveland19.com/2022/03/24/19-news-gets-firsthand-look-undercover-human-trafficking-sting-northeast-ohio/
C92.
Congratulations on hijacking the News and Media thread where we used to share info on stings and news impacting the hobby. Tonto.There is no hijack.
You are free to post info on stings.
You have not posted any.
That is entirely your doing, not anyone else's.
The debate on demand reduction versus legal sex work is an ongoing part of news.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/modern-day-slavery/202207/criminalize-vs-decriminalize-sex-work-the-debate-continues
Having lived in a country were prostitution was legal I can tell you that they do not have our problemsFalse.
https://www.businessinsider.com/prostitution-is-legal-in-countries-across-europe-photos-2019-3
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-12-05/across-europe-a-growing-sense-that-legalized-prostitution-isn-t-working
https://humanityinaction.org/knowledge_detail/the-audacity-of-tolerance-a-critical-analysis-of-legalized-prostitution-in-amsterdams-red-light-district/
They do not have prisons overflowing or hyper militarized policeThey also did not suffer a series of four coordinated suicide terrorist attacks carried out by the militant Islamic extremist network al-Qaeda, also known as 9/11.
The failed Nordic Model . . . will never work and it will just cause harmFalse.
https://nordicmodelnow.org/2019/12/22/has-the-nordic-model-worked-what-does-the-research-say/
Certainly it (selling sex) is a coercive and exploitative act. So is working at McDonalds and the vast majority of jobs.False.
https://www.bls.gov/cps/lfcharacteristics.htm
http://mh.bmj.com/content/41/1/40.full
Does your mommy know you are on here.
False.
https://www.bls.gov/cps/lfcharacteristics.htm
http://mh.bmj.com/content/41/1/40.full
Tonto Monger
08-01-22, 21:44
I'm done commenting on it, but it wasnt just me man, everyone was chipping in. At least its on this thread rather then escort reviews. Seems I shouldn't be singled out just because I write paragraphs.
C92.No disrespect whatsoever to you Chunks, and if I did offend it was unintentional. Please accept my apologies, you are a valuable member of the forum who contributes lots of useful info.
Tonto.
No disrespect whatsoever to you Chunks, and if I did offend it was unintentional. Please accept my apologies, you are a valuable member of the forum who contributes lots of useful info.
Tonto.Oh no you're good bro.
Back to the sting topics, what's up with Texas guys getting arrested in Ohio lately? Several arrested over the past several months including a guy from this past weekend, his arraignment is set for Friday. Like theres no Cali, no Wyoming, no Florida. Theyre all Texas. Like I know they made it a felony in Texas, id never live there because of that alone LOL. but that makes them get in their car and drive 20 hours to a low populated republican county with no escorts ever and hardly any crime, did they really think anything was going to happen but getting arrested? Like Nevada would have been closer for him at 1220 miles instead of 1250 miles, and he could have gotten his rocks off. Pretty stunning, pretty stunning.
C92.
Does your mommy know you are on here.I never knew my mother.
She died during my birth.
I was found by a farmer and wife, who raised me as their own.
They both passed away long ago.
Did you complete high school?
Maybe you can comment intelligently on a link posted earlier?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9698636/
Do you beat prostitutes regularly as part of your self-gratification?
SuStar and others he or she has sucked in: Please take your nonsense out to the "News and Media Reports Forum. This back and forth is neither news or a result of news or media. Please take note that there is a User Blog titled "Legal issues and strategies" which appears to be a more appropriate venue for whatever you call this banter. If you don't like that selection feel free to start your own. Just please don't force your BS on those of us that come to this forum for it's stated purpose.
I never knew my mother.
She died during my birth.
I was found by a farmer and wife, who raised me as their own.
They both passed away long ago.
Did you complete high school?
Maybe you can comment intelligently on a link posted earlier?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9698636/
Do you beat prostitutes regularly as part of your self-gratification?
Cleve Loser
08-03-22, 16:51
SuStar and others he or she has sucked in: Please take your nonsense out to the "News and Media Reports Forum. This back and forth is neither news or a result of news or media. Please take note that there is a User Blog titled "Legal issues and strategies" which appears to be a more appropriate venue for whatever you call this banter. If you don't like that selection feel free to start your own. Just please don't force your BS on those of us that come to this forum for it's stated purpose.Got to love tone police.
Please take your nonsense out to the "News and Media Reports ForumIt's nonsense only for types who won't dare face the music about buying sex.
The debate on legalized sex work, abolishing the demand for prostitution, and the social effects of both is part of news.
If it sticks in your craw, then don't read it.
Limit your reading to posts that cover up your role in exploiting women.
Please take your nonsense out to the "News and Media Reports Forum . . . Just please don't force your BS on those of us that come to this forum for it's stated purpose.So the problem for you is not that some posts here keep you from reading what you want.
Nor is the problem that you are not able to ignore posts that you don't like.
The problem is that some of what's posted is annoying you.
Perhaps you should ask what about the content of those posts is so unsettling.
Perhaps you are loath to examine the possibility that buying sex may be harmful.
For the record, the purpose of this forum, per the FAQ, is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women.
"Looking for sex" is not an endorsement of "buying sex".
"Buying sex" is prohibited by Ohio law.
So the problem for you is not that some posts here keep you from reading what you want.
Nor is the problem that you are not able to ignore posts that you don't like.
The problem is that some of what's posted is annoying you.
Perhaps you should ask what about the content of those posts is so unsettling.
Perhaps you are loath to examine the possibility that buying sex may be harmful.
For the record, the purpose of this forum, per the FAQ, is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women.
"Looking for sex" is not an endorsement of "buying sex".
"Buying sex" is prohibited by Ohio law.So in that case, every law enforcement agency should start knocking on doors and cite every single unmarried and married couple for "buying sex" when they buy the other dinner and have sex afterwards. If the government is going to try to be our boss, might as well go all out and treat us all like slaves who should answer to their every demand and get on our knees for them and worship Yost, right? Meets requirements for a charge under the ORC, doesn't it now? "implicit or explicit. " Only logical and fair, right? That way everyone in the country can carry around an engaging in prostitution charge. Because when you boil it down to the bones, its all prostitution bro. Some of what you say is insightful and I appreciate it, and I agree that we should get to know the situations of the women we are dealing with, in and out of the hobby, to make sure they arent in bad situations. I already do that, and maybe it will teach some irresponsible johns to do that as well. But in general your views are archaic and not what we need in our society going forward. Its 2022, cities are crumbling, there are bigger issues then what consenting adults are doing behind closed doors, which is none of anyones business. Especially when for some of us like myself, we end up dating these women because they are our type and we find long term relationships. Not to mention for some of us, its our way of meeting women because we work long hours and dont have time to go out to bars and shit! Its not exploiting if its our way of finding lasting relationships or even just lifelong friendships!
While were at it , im sure in your eyes we should be forced to hand a copy of the keys to our homes to Yost as well so he can check our bedrooms to make sure that we didnt make our wife/significant other dinner and are fucking afterwards, and it could be "implicitly" viewed as "paying for sex".
Cmon man!
C92.
BuckNuts49
08-04-22, 15:47
So in that case, every law enforcement agency should start knocking on doors and cite every single unmarried and married couple for "buying sex" when they buy the other dinner and have sex afterwards. If the government is going to try to be our boss, might as well go all out and treat us all like slaves who should answer to their every demand and get on our knees for them and worship Yost, right? Meets requirements for a charge under the ORC, doesn't it now? "implicit or explicit. " Only logical and fair, right? That way everyone in the country can carry around an engaging in prostitution charge. Because when you boil it down to the bones, its all prostitution bro. Some of what you say is insightful and I appreciate it, and I agree that we should get to know the situations of the women we are dealing with, in and out of the hobby, to make sure they arent in bad situations. I already do that, and maybe it will teach some irresponsible johns to do that as well. But in general your views are archaic and not what we need in our society going forward. Its 2022, cities are crumbling, there are bigger issues then what consenting adults are doing behind closed doors, which is none of anyones business. Especially when for some of us like myself, we end up dating these women because they are our type and we find long term relationships. Not to mention for some of us, its our way of meeting women because we work long hours and dont have time to go out to bars and shit! Its not exploiting if its our way of finding lasting relationships or even just lifelong friendships!.No disrespect. But I thought this forum had moved on from this subject. Now expect a long boring reply from you know who with all kinds of links attached to his or her reply.
How about those Guardians? 😁.That name change was just the beginning. Pretty soon they will be exerting so much control saying "hi" will trigger people like in the "triggered feminist" meme. The year is 2045. I am in my 50's. Nolan Sorrento is preparing to try to take over the Oasis, just like in Ready player one. and Yost is president with SuStar as his VP. Every morning we must turn on our TV to hear the new pledge like they had to in the soviet union back in the day. Yosts pledge begins with this: "I pledge submission, to Dave Yost, the supreme ruler and controller of every woman's vagina in America. " If our TV is working and we flagrantly don't listen to it, we must pay penalties as stiff as the Jan 2021 insurrectionists. They will monitor our TVs to make sure it is on, and even if our TV is broken we must pay a 1500 dollar fine , the same amount as the maximum penalty for an engaging in prostitution arrest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs
A lot of you guys might not be around to see that day because you're older, I MIGHT be alive for it. Please vote against Yost in November so I don't have to see it.
C92.
No disrespect. But I thought this forum had moved on from this subject. Now expect a long boring reply from you know who with all kinds of links attached to his or her reply.None taken, I agree man. Needs to be in the legal issues or drama 101 page. I actually thought it was in drama 101 now LOL but you know who comments on all of the forums so ill have to pay more attention to where I'm commenting. I've actually added him to my ignore list. Ill stick to the sting articles in news and media now.
When you boil it down to the bones, its all prostitutionNot according with truth or fact.
Especially when for some of us like myself, we end up dating these women because they are our type and we find long term relationshipsSo there are others here, like you, and you speak for them, too?
Funny that they don't care to speak for themselves, and have designated you to speak for them.
And you have found a long-term relationship through this forum?
Funny that you're still here, after over a thousand posts, searching diligently for the right woman.
Maybe you'd have better odds trying an entirely different approach?
For some of us, its our way of meeting women because we work long hours and don't have time to go out to bars and shitWell, there are 168 hours in a 7-day week.
If you're working so much that you can't spare a few hours weekly to meet nice women, maybe you'd be better off finding another job?
I'm sure we should be forced to hand a copy of the keys to our homes to YostHardly.
You may want to consider getting help.
You seem a wee bit too obsessed with Dave Yost.
A study in 2003 found that 63% of the prostituted women interviewed in nine countries had been sexually abused as children, and 57% of the American respondents also reported childhood physical abuse.
Farley, M, Cotton, A, Lynne, J, Zumbeck, S, Spiwak, F, Reyes, M. E, Alvarez, D, & Sezgin, V. (2003).
Prostitution and trafficking in nine countries: An update on violence and posttraumatic stress disorder.
In M. Farley (Ed.), Prostitution, Trafficking, and Traumatic Stress (pp. 33-74).
Binghamton, NY: The Haworth Maltreatment & Trauma Press, Inc.
A study in 2003 found that 63% of the prostituted women interviewed in nine countries had been sexually abused as children, and 57% of the American respondents also reported childhood physical abuse.
Farley, M. , Cotton, A. , Lynne, J. , Zumbeck, S. , Spiwak, F. , Reyes, M. E. , Alvarez, D. , & Sezgin, V. (2003).
Prostitution and trafficking in nine countries: An update on violence and posttraumatic stress disorder.
In M. Farley (Ed.), Prostitution, Trafficking, and Traumatic Stress (pp. 33-74).
Binghamton, NY: The Haworth Maltreatment & Trauma Press, Inc.Not trying to be a dick or anything.
But who cares?
I'm paying them to fuck, not trying to fix their shitty lives.
BuckNuts49
08-06-22, 07:39
SuStar.
When I have pertinent information, I share it with friends through private messaging (PM).
How many guys on this site have you shared pertinent information about providers? If true. You must be a hypocrite.
BuckNuts49
08-06-22, 11:31
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Funny that you're still here, after over a thousand posts, searching diligently for the right woman.
Maybe you'd have better odds trying an entirely different approach?
there are 168 hours in a 7-day week.
Ha, I don't necessarily disagree with this! Just hard to find any situations where its worth the hassle ya know? Lot of the good ladies are married already, some are cheaters but soon as I find out that a woman has a significant other its a huge turn off. I wouldn't want my old lady fucking around on me, so to be the guy that someones old lady is fucking around on with its just like no. the situations that blow my mind are where women are friends and end up fucking the others husband, well same with dudes doing it to their friends wives behind their backs. like to do that to a stranger let alone a friend? i could never. The others that are single have crazy baggage from getting with pieces of shit.
Ha, I don't necessarily disagree with this! Just hard to find any situations where its worth the hassle ya know? Lot of the good ladies are married already, some are cheaters but soon as I find out that a woman has a significant other its a huge turn off. I wouldn't want my old lady fucking around on me, so to be the guy that someones old lady is fucking around on with its just like no. the situations that blow my mind are where women are friends and end up fucking the others husband, well same with dudes doing it to their friends wives behind their backs. like to do that to a stranger let alone a friend? i could never. The others that are single have crazy baggage from getting with pieces of shit.You called SuStar bro. I don't think she's a bro, dude LOL.
You called SuStar bro. I don't think she's a bro, dude LOL.Defiantly not a bro. Haven't seen her post about any experiences either.
This website is a large bulletin board.
There is no requirement for participants to share information.
When I have pertinent information, I share it with friends through private messaging (PM).
You have not qualified for friendship.Sharing information about a provider through PM sounds like you are one of us. LOL!
Trafficking survivor, speaking in San Francisco First Offender Prostitution Program (FOPP) "John School" class 2007:
"I was raped and sexually abused before I was three years old, and it never stopped. I was having sex before I even knew what it was, before I even knew the language, or had words to describe it.
"By the time I was a teenager and started developing my own sexuality, I had no idea what real intimacy was.
"I was promiscuous and started selling sex why not get paid for it?
"Then the pimps noticed me, and I had to do it for them.
"Much later I realized I was acting out, trying to hide the pain deep inside me. I was trying to forget what I couldn't remember.
"I covered it up with sex, drugs, looking for love but not knowing how, or what it looked or felt like. I thought I loved the pimps, but they just used me.
"It was so easy to manipulate me I was lost. At the time, I did not even remember what happened to me as a small child, or thought of it as wrong.
"I was too young to know what it was, but it was all I knew. Since I was a baby, I was there to provide sex to men, in my family or anyone else. ".
http://investigatingjohns.weebly.com/san-franciscos-fopp.html
Sharing information about a provider through PM sounds like you are one of us. LOL!So someone who is "one of us" is never allowed to change his mind about participating in what you do?
How many guys on this site have you shared pertinent information about providersNone.
If true. You must be a hypocrite.False.
I can be someone who's changed his mind about paying for sex.
Furthermore, if an argument is good, then it is good independent of the actions of the person proposing it.
Finally, name-calling is a form of bullying.
It is the last refuge of those who have lost the argument and won't admit it.
Defiantly not a bro. Haven't seen her post about any experiences either.So in your calculation, men who don't post about paying for sex are women?
"Most men have not paid for sex".
https://www.demandabolition.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Demand-Buyer-Report-July-2019.pdf
So in your calculation, men who don't post about paying for sex are women?
"Most men have not paid for sex".
https://www.demandabolition.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Demand-Buyer-Report-July-2019.pdfAll men have paid for sex. Whether directly or indirectly by having to listen to preachy gibberish like yours Ms. Sustar.
All men have paid for sex. Whether directly or indirectly by having to listen to preachy gibberish like yours Ms. Sustar.Thank you! Totally agree.
BuckNuts49
08-07-22, 09:27
So someone who is "one of us" is never allowed to change his mind about participating in what you do?Maybe you should choose your words a little wiser next time. Your statement of providing pertinent information to others regarding prostitutes in PM definitely sounds like you are still participating in this hobby you claim to despise. Or maybe you just enjoy posting on this site to annoy us with your know it all attitude and boring links.
All men have paid for sex whether directly or indirectly
False.
Sex buyers are the primary perpetrators of violence against prostituted women.
Your statement of providing pertinent information to others regarding prostitutes in PM definitely sounds like you are still participating in this hobbyVisit your local community college for remedial reading comprehension classes.
It's never too late.
Maybe you just enjoy posting on this site to annoy us with your know it all attitude and boring links.Yet here you are, reading and emotionally reacting to my posts.
Are you conflicted about buying sex?
Are you spending too much money on your criminal behavior and getting too little gratification?
False.
Sex buyers are the primary perpetrators of violence against prostituted women.Well that's a brilliant observation isn't it? Along the lines of mosquitoes are the main perpetrators of mosquito bites in humans.
None.
False.
I can be someone who's changed his mind about paying for sex.
Furthermore, if an argument is good, then it is good independent of the actions of the person proposing it.
Finally, name-calling is a form of bullying.
It is the last refuge of those who have lost the argument and won't admit it.Bullying? One of your previous responses……
"Visit your local community college for remedial reading comprehension classes. Its never too late.
I might be wrong, but doesn't sound like a first refuge.
Well that's a brilliant observationhttps://sites.utexas.edu/idvsa/files/2019/05/Male-Customers-of-Prostituted-Women-Exploring-Perceptions-of-Entitlement-to-Power-and-Control-and-Implications-for-Violent-Behavior-Toward-Women.pdf
Send a donation: University of Texas at Austin, School of Social Work.
That is, if you have anything left to donate, after paying an addicted woman for sex.
I might be wrong, but doesn't sound like a first refuge.Stuck again?
https://www.tri-c.edu/programs/liberal-arts-and-sciences/english/common-reading/index.html
So someone who is "one of us" is never allowed to change his mind about participating in what you do?How about taking your "save the prostitutes" cause directly to the providers? Why not contact these providers who post on eros.com tryst and STG? They all provide contact information such as an email or a text number. Sustar can reach out to each and every woman and let them know he or she is here to save them. I'm sure they all have been waiting for a hero such as Sustar. Hurry Sustar. Time is wasting on this site. Go rescue all those women. You will be a national hero.
Thank you Ad min for offering this option.
Hopefully we will soon be able to get back to the real purpose of this website.
H.
Yet here you are, reading and emotionally reacting to my posts.
Are you conflicted about buying sex?
Are you spending too much money on your criminal behavior and getting too little gratification?
Stuck again?
https://www.tri-c.edu/programs/liberal-arts-and-sciences/english/common-reading/index.html
Stuck again?
https://www.tri-c.edu/programs/liberal-arts-and-sciences/english/common-reading/index.htmlClick on the link and there's a writing called, Disability Visibility by Alice Wong. I think you have the wong disability to be visible here.
BuckNuts49
08-08-22, 11:06
Thank you Ad min for offering this option.
Hopefully we will soon be able to get back to the real purpose of this website..Please share with us all on the location of the ignore button. It would greatly be appreciated.
Member #6308
08-08-22, 15:54
Please share with us all on the location of the ignore button. It would greatly be appreciated.Go to the profile you want to ignore and you'll see your choice to do so upper left. Even the quasi-high brow trolls can be ignored.
Go to the profile you want to ignore and you'll see your choice to do so upper left. Even the quasi-high brow trolls can be ignored.Thank you for that information. Done!
Mav.
If I couldn't fly a Boeing I'd be a homeless man!.
How about taking your "save the prostitutes" cause directly to the providersNo Buyers = No Business.
Reducing / Abolishing demand for prostitution is most effective.
https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/238796.pdf
https://www.demandabolition.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Demand-Buyer-Report-July-2019.pdf
Go rescue all those women
There's no charity without your part, Smitty.
Save money. Quit buying sex.
You can be with nice women without buying it.
I think you have the wong disability to be visible here.Your peril /consequence for buying sex does not disappear if you refuse to see or otherwise deal with it.
You would be wise to explore what it means to be in error and why you tacitly assume that you are correct.
Save money. Quit buying sex.
You can be with nice women without buying it.I'm giving normal dating a chance again. I've mongered I think twice in the past few months. I've gone back and forth between retiring over the past few months but I wish these broads and even non skanky women would stop getting themselves involved with woman beaters and idiots. I really hate woman beaters, I wish they would get the gas chamber instead of a first degree misdemeanor. I would love to have a normal relationship with a lady that enjoys just going out and doing boring shit like I do, ordering food and sitting in my car in an abandoned park and enjoying the sunset, a game of golf, that kind of stuff. No, instead they all want to go out and do drugs and fuck with gangbangers. Drugs get boring, in moderation its w / e, but like every day? Complete waste of time. Plus every time I see a news article on anti-hooker stuff and how people judge people for shit that is going on in other adult's bedrooms in the comments it triggers me to go out and monger just to give them the middle finger which I've been working on with my shrink for months. What really triggers me is when I see a Yost press conference. Makes me want to do it just to shove the middle finger in his face. But at end of the day even though I'm getting laid I realize all I'm doing is wasting money and wasting my time, which is making me cancel out the anger that I have that our attorney general is so against personal freedoms. What I really need to do is stop watching the news altogether, wake up earlier and enjoy the morning sun instead of watching the news. Wish me luck in my endeavors to meet a decent lady not through the hobby.
Even the quasi-high brow troll can be ignored.Far better to be thought of as "quasi-high brow troll" than to dishonor oneself through illegal behavior.
Wish me luck in my endeavors to meet a decent lady not through the hobby.Good luck, Chunks!
May all the best that life has to offer come your way soon.
Go to the profile you want to ignore and you'll see your choice to do so upper left. Even the quasi-high brow trolls can be ignored.Thank you for sharing this wonderful option with all of us who wore out from the BS.
JeanJizzes
08-09-22, 17:06
Any of you run into this? I saw a new provider and she told me she'd meet me in the lobby, I figured no big deal and when I get there I had to pull out my I'd and let them photo copy it. I was blindsided and I reluctantly let them do it to avoid any suspicion or make the situation awkward / or draw attention to what we were about to do. All I can think of is if she gets popped and they go through records etc. What do you guys think?
Member #6192
08-09-22, 19:34
Any of you run into this? I saw a new provider and she told me she'd meet me in the lobby, I figured no big deal and when I get there I had to pull out my I'd and let them photo copy it. I was blindsided and I reluctantly let them do it to avoid any suspicion or make the situation awkward / or draw attention to what we were about to do. All I can think of is if she gets popped and they go through records etc. What do you guys think?I think you went there to talk over prices of selling her a TV. Or whatever. Is this the chick in Lorain?
JeanJizzes
08-09-22, 19:42
I think you went there to talk over prices of selling her a TV. Or whatever. Is this the chick in Lorain?No Cleveland, w25th area.
No Buyers = No Business.
Reducing / Abolishing demand for prostitution is most effective.
https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/238796.pdf
https://www.demandabolition.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Demand-Buyer-Report-July-2019.pdf
There's no charity without your part, Smitty.
Save money. Quit buying sex.
You can be with nice women without buying it.I think while you may be factually correct in a lot of your proselytizing here about the hookers.
You are missing the point of this forum.
I know I for one don't care about the social justice side of it at all, and understand that I'm supporting potentially negative lifestyles for these women, and I am totally okay with it.
I am not Captain save a hoe here, I am not even a good person generally.
Why did you pick this particular forum to post on your soapbox and try and redeem us consumers of the first profession in the world?
Or do you just enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing?
PissedOffLaxD
08-09-22, 22:57
No Buyers = No Business.
Reducing / Abolishing demand for prostitution is most effective.
https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/238796.pdf
https://www.demandabolition.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Demand-Buyer-Report-July-2019.pdf
There's no charity without your part, Smitty.
Save money. Quit buying sex.
You can be with nice women without buying it.I don't need you or anyone else to tell me what to do, when or how to do it. I'll live my life how I want. Take your bullshit elsewhere.
Cleve Loser
08-09-22, 23:11
Save money. Quit buying sex.
You can be with nice women without buying it.Many of us can't.
Why did you pick this particular forum to postThe debate on prostitution is part of news and media reporting.
I post FYI and to engage in discussion with those who are interested.
If you don't care for it, please don't read it.
Many of us can't.As you know, men who have existing relationships buy it as well.
It's every man's personal decision.
I see the reports posted here are frequently negative.
They don't look like good alternatives.
https://www.healthline.com/health/healthy-sex/is-sex-important-in-a-relationship
I don't need you or anyone else to tell me what to do, when or how to do it. I'll live my life how I wantCongrats on your positive attitude.
Shocking that you've been reduced to paying for it.
For the record, I wasn't telling you what to do.
I was replying to another guy who posted here.
Take your bullshit elsewhereNah.
I'm posting here.
Don't feel obligate to read it.
Any of you run into this? I saw a new provider and she told me she'd meet me in the lobby, I figured no big deal and when I get there I had to pull out my I'd and let them photo copy it. I was blindsided and I reluctantly let them do it to avoid any suspicion or make the situation awkward / or draw attention to what we were about to do. All I can think of is if she gets popped and they go through records etc. What do you guys think?Sorry to read you found yourself unable to walk out.
Any of you run into this? I saw a new provider and she told me she'd meet me in the lobby, I figured no big deal and when I get there I had to pull out my I'd and let them photo copy it. I was blindsided and I reluctantly let them do it to avoid any suspicion or make the situation awkward / or draw attention to what we were about to do. All I can think of is if she gets popped and they go through records etc. What do you guys think?With all due respect, are you out of your fucking mind? We all understand that what we do is illegal, and as for myself its one of the many illegal things I do and have done for the last 58 years.
Letting anyone make a copy of your drivers license in order to take part in illegal shit is just nuts. If it is a sting you now have given concrete proof of your identity. If its not a sting you have given enough to steal your identity and attempt to raid your accounts or charge up your credit cards.
This is a beautiful example of what not to do.
Cheech.
Take how you will.Simply do like many others on this forum and use the tools available on this site and add the person to your ignore list.
JeanJizzes
08-10-22, 17:12
With all due respect, are you out of your fucking mind? We all understand that what we do is illegal, and as for myself its one of the many illegal things I do and have done for the last 58 years.
Letting anyone make a copy of your drivers license in order to take part in illegal shit is just nuts. If it is a sting you now have given concrete proof of your identity. If its not a sting you have given enough to steal your identity and attempt to raid your accounts or charge up your credit cards.
This is a beautiful example of what not to do..I couldn't make an exit, I just didn't think fast enough. Nothing leads me to believe it's a sting operation, it's apparently a policy the building has. The provider didn't see or handle my I'd. If it were a sting I wouldn't of gotten a blow job with it LOL.
Any of you run into this? I saw a new provider and she told me she'd meet me in the lobby, I figured no big deal and when I get there I had to pull out my I'd and let them photo copy it. I was blindsided and I reluctantly let them do it to avoid any suspicion or make the situation awkward / or draw attention to what we were about to do. All I can think of is if she gets popped and they go through records etc. What do you guys think?Never show I'd. There used to be a few girls that lived in the low income apartment buildings in Lorain and I wouldn't see them because you had to show I'd and sign in at the door. I'm not leaving a record of who I was seeing and when, especially for an escort.
It must only be during normal working hours. I'd go out to the ones off Broadway close 10 P, and there wouldn't be anyone working at the counter.
Never show I'd. There used to be a few girls that lived in the low income apartment buildings in Lorain and I wouldn't see them because you had to show I'd and sign in at the door. I'm not leaving a record of who I was seeing and when, especially for an escort.
It must only be during normal working hours. I'd go out to the ones off Broadway close 10 P, and there wouldn't be anyone working at the counter.I never looked to go there that late. I was always looking for the 7-8 time frame.
JeanJizzes
08-10-22, 19:05
Never show I'd. There used to be a few girls that lived in the low income apartment buildings in Lorain and I wouldn't see them because you had to show I'd and sign in at the door. I'm not leaving a record of who I was seeing and when, especially for an escort.Ya fuck it, lesson learned. Everything was burner and exchanged cash. All they know is I was there and no way to tie records together without doing a ton of work, which in my opinion would outweigh the $500 fine and the misdemeanor. If I'm ever presented with that situation again it's "oh I left my wallet in the car, brb" and then just leave.
OldManBuckeye
08-10-22, 23:54
I couldn't make an exit, I just didn't think fast enough. Nothing leads me to believe it's a sting operation, it's apparently a policy the building has. The provider didn't see or handle my I'd. If it were a sting I wouldn't of gotten a blow job with it LOL.I get it you got surprised and caught with the little head doing the thinking. But, please dude, in the future no I'd, no phone number, no name. Protect yourself and stay safe.
From Laura, a former prostitute:
"I was in prostitution for 10 years - middle-class, indoor, 'acceptable' prostitution.
"I was never held at knife point, beaten or tied up; I never worked the streets.
"My life was regular hair appointments, expensive brandy in nice restaurants, and strip clubs for faux fun: the laissez-faire libertine.
"My 'benign' servicing of thousands of men's sexual wants has had repercussions that ordinarily befall those who have witnessed bodies burnt or bombed.
"There was no single scene of violence in my experience of prostitution though; the assault came from the layers of intrusion built up over time.
"It took me a long time to fully understand my symptoms; the irritability, the anger, the fear, the strange existential sense that life no longer had any purpose.
"It was difficult, because by making the connection between mental breakdown and prostitution, I had to face the fact that what I had been through had not been benign at all".
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/guest_posts/2799410-Guest-post-I-didnt-think-of-my-prostitution-as-traumatic-but-it-left-me-with-PTSD
From Laura, a former prostitute:
"I was in prostitution for 10 years - middle-class, indoor, 'acceptable' prostitution.
"I was never held at knife point, beaten or tied up; I never worked the streets.
"My life was regular hair appointments, expensive brandy in nice restaurants, and strip clubs for faux fun: the laissez-faire libertine.
"My 'benign' servicing of thousands of men's sexual wants has had repercussions that ordinarily befall those who have witnessed bodies burnt or bombed.
"There was no single scene of violence in my experience of prostitution though; the assault came from the layers of intrusion built up over time.
"It took me a long time to fully understand my symptoms; the irritability, the anger, the fear, the strange existential sense that life no longer had any purpose.
"It was difficult, because by making the connection between mental breakdown and prostitution, I had to face the fact that what I had been through had not been benign at all".
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/guest_posts/2799410-Guest-post-I-didnt-think-of-my-prostitution-as-traumatic-but-it-left-me-with-PTSDAnd who chose prostitution? She knew she could make money with her pussy, so she did.
Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Trevor Bauer has been sued for sexual battery by the woman who publicly accused him of choking and punching her during two sexual encounters.
The sexual assault accuser, Lindsey Hill, has filed a countersuit to Bauer's defamation claim.
Hill's suit lays out allegations that go far beyond choking, which the suit concedes the woman consented to.
After Bauer choked the woman unconscious, the suit alleges, she regained consciousness to find him having anal sex with her.
(See pics of Hill's injuries in the first link below).
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11100069/Trevor-Bauers-sexual-assault-accuser-files-countersuit-defamation-claim.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/08/10/trevor-bauer-accuser-lawsuit/
And who chose prostitution? She knew she could make money with her pussy, so she did.She chose prostitution without bargaining for the PTSD.
She didn't expect to get PTSD as a work-related injury.
The point is prostitution has harmful effects for the women who engage in it.
As your reply very coldly suggests, the men she serviced don't care.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Unfortunately, the money they paid didn't include compensation for her unexpected injuries.
Another good reason to reduce/abolish the demand for prostitution.
Make it prohibitively expensive with their pics in the media, heavy fines, jail time.
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